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1995-09-13 QUEENS BURY RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES OF MEETING SEPTEMBER 13, 1995 Minutes of the regular meeting of the Recreation Commission of the Town of Queensbury held Wednesday, September 13, 1995, at the Queensbury Town Office Building, Queensbury, New York. Chairman Simmonds called the meeting to order at 7:06 p.m. PRESENT: Commissioners Auer, Carusone, LaBombard, Maine, Schachner and Simmonds ALSO PRESENT: Director Hansen ABSENT: Commissioner Hersh (ex) VISITORS: Mrs. Jeanne Lowe APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Maine made the motion to approve the minutes of the August 9, 1995 meeting. Commissioner Schachner seconded the motion and after polling all commissioners, the motion was unanimously approved. COMMUNICATIONS AND REMARKS FROM VISITORS Chairman Simmonds introduced and welcomed Mrs. Jeanne Lowe who was present to discuss the situation with respect to shade for patrons who use the Gurney Lane pool facility. Mrs. Lowe relayed that she and her family were relatively new to the area and that at other pool facilities which they had frequented in the past (Ohio and New York City) there was considerably more shade as well as furnishings for patrons. She mentioned that she talked with the Director and that the Department's efforts to resolve the situation (picnic tables with umbrellas), though appreciated were in her opinion, inadequate. She explained that her husband was a physician and as such was concerned about prolonged exposure to the sun and how this would effect pool patrons, especially pregnant women, seniors and those observing their children during swim lessons. Her suggestions included "a crank out awning" or pergola as a means of providing shade for more than just a few patrons. Mrs. Lowe then produced a letter from Mrs. Linda S. Auffredou which she read aloud (see attached). The letter restated and reiterated Mrs. Lowe's concerns, especially with regard to the need for more shade at the facility. The Commission questioned Mrs. Lowe regarding her suggestions and the Director explained some of the physical shortcomings which might present obstacles with respect to erecting a shade structure -2- in close proximity to the pool facility. He mentioned that creating additional shade in the form of some type of structure was not the problem. However, situating that structure close enough, so that parents, or other non-swimmers could view those in the water was the difficulty. A permanent structure of any size on the deck area, or in the grass areas immediately adjacent to the pool area was a concern. Due to the size and shape of the deck area (small), as well as it being a high traffic area, erecting a permanent or semi-permanent structure would seem to be less than desirable from a safety standpoint. Likewise, the terrain contour of the grass areas adjacent to the deck (swale with underground drains) was not a flat enough surface for this type of structure. Constructing a structure in the "upper area" was certainly practical and would provide the necessary shade needed. However, because of the distance involved, viewing the pool area would be less than ideal and probably not suitable for patrons. The Commission discussed the matter further and it was the consensus that the situation could definitely be remedied before the 1996 pool season got underway. There was additional discussion relative to covering the concession area, other pool furnishings and Mrs. Lowe assured the Commission that the Gurney Lane pool was a "magnificent facility with fabulous swimming lessons." She also stated she was not in any way "criticizing the pool" but only addressing a situation which needed to be rectified. In addition, she agreed to assist the Commission/Department in terms of funds as well as organizing a group of volunteers to do the work, if that became necessary. The Commission thanked Mrs. Lowe for her input and assured her that over the winter the Department would investigate further and im- prove the conditions before next season. The Commission briefly reviewed the items of correspondence which were included in the monthly packet and there was discussion on the Department's soccer program and the 9/5/95 letter from the Adirondack Youth Soccer Club. The Director explained that it was his decision to move approximately one third of the soccer program participants (grades 1 and 2), to the Ridge/Jenkinsville Park facility to alleviate team roster problems, (number per team), traffic congestion/volume and facility overcrowding (field short- age). The R/J facility was not being used to its full potential and, therefore, creating soccer fields in the softball outfields for a 6-8 week period in the fall helped to lessen the dependency on the Queensbury School facilities. In addition, it showed ex- cellent utilization of the Town's facilities, especially in the "off season". The decision had to be made prior to the start of the program in early summer and though there were some negative comments, overall, the reaction has been generally positive. Once the program ends in October, the Department will re-evaluate the situation and results and plan accordingly for the 1996 season. A -2- in close proximity to the pool facility. He mentioned that additional shade in the form of some type of structure was not the problem. However, situating that structure close enough, so that parents, or other non-swimmers could view those in the water was the difficulty. A permanent structure of any size on the deck area, or in the grass areas immediately adjacent to the pool area was a concern. Due to the size and shape of the deck area (small), as well as it being a high traffic area, erecting a permanent or semi-permanent structure would seem to be less than desirable from a safety standpoint. Likewise, the terrain contour of the grass areas adjacent to the deck (swale with underground drains) was not a flat enough surface for this type of structure. Constructing a structure in the "upper area" was certainly practical and would provide the necessary shade needed. However, because of the distance involved, viewing the pool area would be less than ideal and probably not suitable for patrons. The Commission discussed the matter further and it was the consensus that the situation could definitely be remedied before the 1996 pool season got underway. There was additional discussion relative to covering the concession area, other pool furnishings and Mrs. Lowe assured the Commission that the Gurney Lane pool was a "magnificent facility with fabulous swimming lessons." She also stated she was not in any way "criticizing the pool" but only addressing a situation which needed to be rectified. In addition, she agreed to assist the Commission/Department in terms of funds as well as organizing a group of volunteers to do the work, if that became necessary. The Commission thanked Mrs. Lowe for her input and assured her that over the winter the Department would investigate further and im- prove the conditions before next season. The Commission briefly reviewed the items of correspondence which were included in the monthly packet and there was discussion on the Department's soccer program and the 9/5/95 letter from the Adirondack Youth Soccer Club. The Director explained that it was his decision to move aþproximately one third of the soccer program participants (grades 1 and 2), to the Ridge/Jenkinsville Park facility to alleviate team roster problems, (number per team), traffic congestion/volume and facility overcrowding (field short- age). The R/J facility was not being used to its full potential and, therefore, creating soccer fields in the softball outfields for a 6-8 week period in the fall helped to lessen the dependency on the Queensbury School facilities. In addition, it showed ex- cellent utilization of the Town's facilities, especially in the "off season". The decision had to be made prior to the start of the program in early summer and though there were some negative comments, overall, the reaction has been generally positive. Once the program ends in October, the Department will re-evaluate the situation and results and plan accordingly for the 1996 season. A -3- number of commissioners pointed out that an internal traffic problem (excessive speed) still existed within the school area and it was suggested that the Director mention the situation to school personnel. The Commission also reviewed and discussed the 8/8/95 letter (Hudson River Park) from the Fredericks to the Town Supervisor. Here again, the Director was instructed to contact these individuals for their input regarding the park's development. The Supervisor's memo (North Queensbury Recreation) was also discussed and the Director will contact appropriate fire company personnel as a first step in developing a park facility adjacent to the firehouse in the North Queensbury area. This would be similar to what was accomplished in terms of park development on the South Queensbury Firehouse grounds. The Director will contact the fire company's president/officers and report back as soon as possible. HUDSON RIVER PARK The Director advised the Commission that even though the contract/ park development budget had not been finalized and signed by the parties involved, nonetheless, the clock was "still ticking" and, therefore, the Commission/Department should begin the preliminary phases of the Hudson River Park project. As such, the Director suggested that architectural/engineering firms be contacted in order to obtain proposals regarding the park's development. The initial application included a project map/layout and this cer- tainly needed to be verified and/or altered based on someone' s professional expertise, i.e. landscape architect, and engineer. The initial locations for the park facilities were done "in-house" and will probably need to be redrawn according to scale and in a specific area within the site which is best suited to those types of facilities. In short, the Town now needs to hire professional assistance in planning the actual development of this park. The Commission agreed that the project needed to move forward. The Director was instructed to make contact with an area landscape architect/engineer in order to determine if the park pro- ject can proceed as originally outlined in the application or if changes due to terrain, vegetation, ground water, etc. will be nec- cessary. The Commission suggested that the Director contact J. Miller who had drawn plans for the expansion of both Gurney Lane and the park at Ridge/Jenkinsville. The Director will attempt to have Mr. Miller corne to the next meeting to advise the Commission in this regard. MEETING DATE/DAY CHANGE The Chairman advised the Commission with respect to a conflict and her attendance at future Wednesday night meetings. After dis- cussion it was decided that the monthly meetings of the Queensbury -4- Recreation Commission would be changed to the second Tuesday of the month. It was agreed that this change would begin with the October 10th meeting and the Director will notify the Post Star, all Town Board members and all other interested parties. Commissioner Auer mentioned that he thought the Commission was somewhat remiss, in that the group had never finalized the in- ternal guidelines/policies for Commission members. The document had been initially drafted by Commissioner Schachner and never adopted by the Commission. The Director was instructed to research and send the draft document to all Commission members for their re- view and discussion at the next meeting. FUTURE PARK DEVELOPMENT A number of commissioners inquired regarding the status of the park project priority list which was developed by the Commission some- time ago. The Director explained that the list which included ex- pansion of facilities at both Gurney Lane and R/J Park as well as improvements to West End Park, the Glen Lake Canoe Access site, the Hiland Park area and Hovey Pond had been put "on hold" since 1991. There was considerable discussion on the need for other park and recreation facilities throughout the Town, both expansion and new development and the Director was instructed to resurrect the "old list" and drawings for discussion at the next meeting. Mr. Rahill's letter outlining his proposal for the development of the Hudson River Park was also mentioned and it too will be included as correspondence in next month's packet. MONTHLY DEPARTMENT REPORT The Director presented a verbal report on program/activities and explained how Commissioner Auer has provided his expertise in helping to computerize the Department's registration/accountability system. It was pointed out that he has spent much time and effort and the Department should be on line and fully operational by next spring. There being no further business, the Commission meeting was ad- journed at 8:42 p.m. The next meeting will be held on October 10, 1995, beginning at 7:00 p.m., in the Supervisor's conference room (#37), at the Queensbury Town Office Building. rc. prepared by Harry R. Hansen