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1993-02-10 QUEENSBURY RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES OF MEETING FEBRUARY 10, 1993 Minutes of the regular meeting of the Recreation Commission of the Town of Queensbury, held Wednesday, February 10, 1993, at the Queensbury Town Office Building, Queensbury, New York. Chairman Simmonds called the meeting to order at 7:07 p.m. PRESENT: Commissioners Auer, Carusone, Hersh, Labatore and Simmonds ALSO PRESENT: Director Hansen and Ass't. Director Lovering ABSENT: Commissioners LaBombard (ex) and Maine (ex) Dr. Braico (Trout Unlimited) VISITORS: APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Labatore moved to approve the minutes of the December 9, 1992 meeting. Commissioner Carusone seconded the motion and after polling all commissioners, the motion was unanimously approved. COMMUNICATIONS Chairman Simmonds introduced Dr. Braico, who was present to outline and discuss the Trout Unlimited (TU) organization proposal for a handicapped fishing access structure at Hovey Pond. Dr. Braico displayed construction drawings and explained that the original design plans were of a handicapped fishing pier erected by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service on a Tennessee impoundment. The TU organization has modified and scaled down the structure based on the Hovey Pond (HP) situation and the area's handicapped population needs. They (TU) have also been in contact with an Albany based nonprofit construction firm (Barnraisers) who specialize and are interested in assisting with this quasi volunteer project. Dr. Braico outlined the TU proposal including the material cost estimates and the Commission requested further explanation on the size of the fishing platform, its location and how the structure would be supported/secured. There was also considerable discussion on TU's plan for fund-raising and the Director pointed out that the Town Attorney had been contacted and had cleared their proposal in terms of Town liability (donation/solicitation). The Director requested permission to have the design plans reviewed by an engineer and Dr. Braico agreed. There was considerable discussion -2- on TU's list of necessary supplies/materials and Dr. Braico pointed out that the cost estimates were based on straight retail prices. In fact, the total estimated amount to be expended ($3150.) should be considerably less especially, if any of the materials needed are the same as those indicated on the "shopping list" (Friends of Hovey Pond). These items and services (shopping list) were solicited on behalf of the Town for the Hovey Pond project and should, therefore, be usable by the Town, accordingly. Dr. Braico displayed an example of a fund-raising poster including information and explained details about the National Conservation banquet (TU's primary fund-raiser). TU's donation of trees to be planted along Glenwood Avenue was also discussed and the Commission/Director reiterated that the decision with regard to the quantity and variety of trees to be planted had been agreed on sometime ago. That decision had not changed and it was anticipated that the of trees (oaks and maples) previously order by TU would be received and planted sometime this spring. The Commission thanked Dr. Braico and his group for their efforts in helping to bring this project to fruition. The Director reviewed the items of correspondence included in the monthly packet (1993 meeting schedule, updated committee list, Hudson Pointe/Michaels Group letter and Beautification Committee minutes/map) and there was discussion on the Hudson pointe P.U.D. and their dedication of land for park use proposal. It was pointed out that a formal dedication of land, if that were their option, would happened at the next stage (Planning Board review). At that time, the Recreation Commission's recommendation would be solicited and a final decision (recreation fees or parkland), by the Town Board would be forthcoming. HOVEY POND UPDATE The design drawings of the footbridge, prepared by Morse Engineering, were presented/reviewed and the Commission was briefed on the bridge structure including size, type of materials, location and the installation schedule. It was explained that the preassembled bridge would be ordered this spring (March or April), and then be installed (by crane from Glenwood Avenue), sometime in May/June depending on weather and site conditions. As with the handicapped fishing access and the use of donated materials, here again, some of the items donated as per the " shopping list" (concrete, wood, stone, etc.) could be channeled to this park structure, thereby, reducing the Town's project expenses. Information with regard to park signs and the historical time line was also discussed and the Director relayed that he and the Town Historian (Marilyn VanDyke) were working jointly on these items. -3- Chairman Simmonds commented that Commissioner Carusone had volunteered to chair the ad hoc committee coordinating the Hovey Pond project (volunteer groups). He agreed to contact M.L. Gosline's group prior to the March meeting to insure that their presentation at that meeting is both orderly and productive. PROGRAM FEES AND CHARGES The Director outlined in detail the three page Swim Pool/Swim Lesson User Fee Information analysis which was included in the monthly packet. He reminded the Commission that the Department had been given the responsibility of generating increased revenues through program user fees and charges in 1993. Pool admission and swim lesson fees were the two major program options selected (to generate revenue) during the budget process. Subsequently, the user fee information sheet detailing a variety of factors in both operations was compiled and included 1992 registration/attendance figures, cost of operation and revenue projections for both options. The report also suggested a number of program factors to consider including the question of residency/nonresidency, the logistics of registration and the collection of fees. In addition, other factors, which in the past were of minimal concern, now because of a user/program fee, become variables which are quite important. Those include; weather, refunds, cancellations, make-up classes and fiscal accountability. There was also concern and discussion on the philosophy of user fees and whether or not the Department's goal should be "zero based budgeting" (no out of pocket cost to maintain the day to day pool operation). After further discussion, it was the Director's recommendation that the Commission wait until they receive additional information before proposing a fee structure for swim lessons and pool admission. Comparative information as well as figures from other area municipal and private organizations had been requested and would be outline in chart form at a later date. At that time it would then be appropriate to evaluate all available factors, options and information in order to propose a swim program fee schedule which would meet the needs of the Department/Board. The topic of resident/nonresident usage was mentioned and here again there were mixed feelings as to how Glens Falls (GF) residents should be classified for the purpose of using Town swimming facilities. A number of commissioners questioned whether it was even the commission's decision and the Director pointed out that the commission was obligated to at least make a recommendation, The final decision including the actual fee structure would, of course, be the Town Board's responsibility. After considerable discussion, the consensus was that, if there was to be a differentiation of fees (resident and nonresident fees), then a GF resident should be considered a nonresident. -4- DISCUSSION-COMMISSION OFFICERS Chairman Simmonds mentioned that at present, no commissioner had been appointed as vice-chairman, since Commissioner Sperry's resignation. Inasmuch as this is an important position, she suggested that a candidate be nominated tonight to fill the vacancy. The Director reminded everyone that the April meeting was traditionally the meeting at which officers were elected and it was suggested that the group postpone their nomination until then. COMMITTEE REPORTS The members of the Commission (Labatore, Auer & Hersh) and the Director, all of whom attended the recent joint School/Commission meeting on 1/21/93, briefly relayed the topics of discussion that evening. The Director had prepared an agenda and there was discussion on usage of school facilities and how, if the Department instituted fees and charges, the use of those facilities would be affected. Overall, the School representatives were supportive of the Department's need to offset the operating cost of swimming related programs including those offered at the School pool, and the consensus was that a participant user fee would not be inappropriate. Those attending the meeting on the 21st were in agreement that a joint meeting such as this should be an annual occurrence. Commissioner Auer briefly reported on the actions of the Summer Program Review Committee and distributed a one page review sheet. The Director will respond in writing to the committee suggestions at a later date. DEPARTMENT REPORT Assistant Director Lovering highlighted a number of items in the Department's monthly report and it was mentioned that the use of the facilities at the Gurney Lane Recreation Area had increased substantially. A number of commissioners commented about the usage and also mentioned that the facilities were reported to be in good operating condition (ski trails, ice, etc.) The Assistant Director also mentioned the success of the recent, free bowling program (300 participants) co-sponsored with the Lake George Bowl. Commissioner Auer requested an update on the status of his 12/9/92, letter/suggestion regarding the development of a Department "new idea/program" form. The Director distributed and explained the new form which had been developed as a result of Commissioner Auer's suggestion and there were no further comments. -5- There being no further business, the Commission meeting was adjourned at 8:41 p.m. The next meeting will be held on March 10, 1993, beginning at 7:00 p.m., in the Supervisor's meeting room (#37), at the Town Office Building. ~X:~ Sharron Simmonds, Chairman Minutes prepared by Harry R. Hansen