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QUEENSBURYPTANNINGBOARD MEETING
FIRSTREGUTAR MEETING
MARCH15',2022
INDEX
Site Plan No. 66-2021 CVE North America,Inc. 1.
FURTHER TABLING Tax Map No. 303.11-1-4.1,303.15-1-25.2,303.11-1-5
Site Plan No. 9-2022 Ronald Seguljic 2.
ZBA RECOMMENDATION Tax Map No.226.19-1-41
Site Plan No.11-2022 Katharine Seelye 4.
ZBA RECOMMENDATION Tax Map No.239.15-1-10
Site Plan No.IS-2022 Harris Bay Yacht Club 6.
Special Use Permit 1-2022 Tax Map No.240.-1-23.1
ZBA RECOMMENDATION
Site Plan No.16-2022 Northway Self Storage,LLC 11.
Tax Map No. 309.13-2-31.112
Site Plan No.12-2022 Adirondack Factory Outlet Center 15.
Tax Map No.2SS.12-1-22
Site Plan No.14-2022 Deliciously Different Holdings,LLC/Mark Smith 19.
Tax Map No. 303.16-1-62
Site Plan No. 64-2021 Hacker Boat Company,Inc. 22.
Tax Map No. 30S.16-2-4.1
THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF
REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTH'S MINUTES(IF ANY)AND
WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES.
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QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
FIRST REGULAR MEETING
MARCH 15TK,2022
7.00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT
STEPHEN TRAVER,CHAIRMAN
DAVID DEEB,VICE CHAIRMAN
MICHAEL DIXON,SECRETARY
BRAD MAGOWAN
WARREN LONGACKER
JOHN MOLLOY
JACKSON LA SARSO,ALTERNATE
MEMBERS ABSENT
MICHAEL VALENTINE
LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE
STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI
MR.TRAVER-Good evening,ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Town of Queensbury Planning Board
meeting for Tuesday,March 15,2022. The ides of March. This is our first meeting for Marchand our fifth
meeting for 2022. If you have an electronic device, cell phone or other device,if you would either turn it
off or turn the ringer off so as not to interrupt our proceedings. In the event of an emergency,please make
note of the illuminated exit signs. That is the way out. We do ask that,aside from public hearings,that
if you wish to have a conversation amongst yourselves, if you would please move to the outer lobby to do
that so we have silence in the room. With that,I think we're ready to proceed. Our first item is approval
of minutes from the meetings of January 18 and January 25 of 2022.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
January 18`h,2022
January 25`h,2022
MOTION TO APPROVE THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING MINUTES OF
JANUARY 18`h, 2022 AND JANUARY 25`h, 2022, Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its
adoption,seconded by Warren Longacker:
Duly adopted this 15`h day of March,2022,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker, Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan,Mr. LaSarso,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
MR. TRAVER-We have an administrative item for Site Plan 66-2021, CVE North America has requested
tabling to next month.
ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM:
SITE PLAN 66-2021 CVE NORTH AMERICA REQUEST TABLING TO APRIL 19,2022 MEETING
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOO RE-So this applicant is still working on their information to the engineer. They just wanted
a few more days to do that and this would allow for that.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. I think we anticipated that they might possibly need some more time. So, okay.
Does anyone have any comments or questions regarding that tabling? This is for the solar array? All right.
I believe we have a resolution for that.
RESOLUTION TABLING SP#66-2021 CVE NORTH AMERICA,INC.
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Applicant proposes a solar farm on site 303.11-1-4.1, with access by right of way through parcel 303.15-1-
25.2. The project will include over 13,000 panels on a 30 plus acre portion of the site. The project work
includes panel placement,drive areas,equipment boxes and stormwater management.The project involves
a petition of zone change for parcel 303.15-1-25.2 from CI to CLI. Project subject to site plan, special use
permit and freshwater wetlands permit. Pursuant to Chapter 179-15-050, Town Board referred to the
Planning Board to review for SEQR and recommendation. Site plan, special use permit, and freshwater
wetlands review after the Town Board completes Petition of Zone change.
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN 66-2021, SPECIAL USE PERMIT 4-2021 &z FRESHWATER
WETLANDS 3-2021 CVE NORTH AMERICA,INC. Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its
adoption,seconded by Jackson LaSarso.
Tabled until the April 19,2022 Planning Board meeting with information due by March 15,2022.
Duly adopted this 15`h day of March 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Dixon, Mr. Longacker,Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan,Mr. LaSarso,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
MR. TRAVER-Next we move to our regular agenda, and the first section of that agenda is
Recommendations to the Zoning Board of Appeals, and the first item is Ronald Seguljic, Site Plan 9-2022.
PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS:
SITE PLAN NO. 9-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. RONALD SEGULJIC. AGENT(S): EDP (MAC
ELROY,KEIL). OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: WR. LOCATION: 32 FOREST
ROAD. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ALTER THE EXISTING HOME TO CONSTRUCT A 276 SQ.
FT. ADDITION,A 156 SQ. FT. PATIO AREA AT THE REAR,AN 84.5 SQ. FT. COVERED FRONT
PORCH,AND A LOWER LEVEL FOR A GARAGE AND LIVING AREA OF 1,237.83 SQ.FT. THE
PROJECT INCLUDES A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM, WELL, DRIVEWAY AREA, AND SWALE
AREAS. THE EXISTING HOME FOOTPRINT OF 965 SQ.FT.WITH A 190 SQ.FT.PORCH/DECK.
THE EXISTING FLOOR AREA IS 965 SQ.FT.AD THE PROPOSE IS 2,592.71 SQ. FT. PURSUANT
TO CHAPTER 179-3-040,179-6-065,SITE PLAN FOR A NEW FLOOR PLAN SHALL BE SUBJECT
TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. VARIANCE: RELIEF IS SOUGHT FOR
SETBACKS AND FLOOR AREA. CROSS REFERENCE: AV 8-2022. WARREN CO.REFERRAL:
MARCH 2O22. SITE INFORMATION: APA,LGPC,CEA. LOT SIZE: .26 ACRES. TAX MAP NO.
226.19-1-41 SECTION: 179-3-040,179-6-065.
DENNIS MAC ELROY, REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-This applicant is proposing to alter the existing home to construct a 276 square foot
addition that includes a 156 square foot patio area at the rear and an 84.5 square foot covered front porch.
The lower level will be improved for a garage and living area. The project includes a new septic system,
well, a driveway area, and swale areas for stormwater, and in regards to the variances being requested,
there's relief sought for setbacks and floor area.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. MAC ELROY-Good evening. I'm Dennis MacElroy with Environmental Design, representing Ron
Seguljic in this application for an application for improvements to the existing residence. This is currently
a second home for the Seguljics. It's located on Forest Road. It's an interior lot on Assembly Point in the
Shore Colony Association area. Ron and his wife would like to make improvements. The main thing is
raising the structure so they can build a proper foundation underneath it. In this foundation area would
be more than five feet of head room. Currently it's an earthen floor crawl space. So in doing that they
would expand the living area. It does result in a couple of variances related to setback,front and rear,and
a slight bump in the floor area ratio. As Laura indicated,there's an improvement to the wastewater system
that exists,a new field area and then stormwater management which doesn't formerly exist there.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So we're looking at a setback of 26 feet where 30 feet is the requirement, and one
percent increase in floor area ratio.
MR. MAC ELROY-Correct.
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MR. TRAVER-All right. Questions,comments from members of the Board?
MR. MAGOWAN-Dennis,on the septic,you said that was done before?
MR. MAC ELROY-No,the plan would,well,it's an existing system,but the plan would be to build a new
absorption field to upgrade that.
MR. MAGOWAN-Okay.
MR.MAC ELROY-We did dig it up to an extent and I felt that while the septic tank was adequate in both
capacity and condition,the field really needed to be improved and we're proposing an Elgin system for that
field.
MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, I did see that and I appreciate that. No, I just thought it was, but since you are
upgrading,I just want to make sure that we upgrade it for the square footage ratio that we use for.
MR. MAC ELROY-Correct. Yes,it will be adequate for a three bedroom system.
MR. MAGOWAN-And I have to start asking. This isn't going to be used for STR rentals or anything is
it?
MR. MAC ELROY-No. Their intent would be to use it for their retirement. Currently their primary
residence is out of Town. It's in Connecticut actually,but Ron and his family have had connections on
Lake George for decades. You may remember Tom who served on your Board.
MR. MAGOWAN-I did recognize,that's a very particular last name.
MR. MAC ELROY-Well, he's one of the three brothers who have gravitated here to Lake George after
being raised elsewhere.
MR. MAGOWAN-All right. Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-Any other questions,comments?
MR.LONGACKER-I see you've got S0 feet separation between the septic and the proposed well. Is there
any chance of maybe flip flopping two of those runs of laterals to the other side to get the 100 feet necessary,
or is it too close to an adjoining well?
MR. MAC ELROY-By putting them up gradient,I think it would create a problem as far as gravity flow.
MR. LONGACKER-Yes,okay. It would be a deeper.
MR. MAC ELROY-The owner preferred to keep it as a gravity flow system that does bring that lateral to
less than a 100 foot separation distance to the well which will also be new. It's not currently existing but
we're going to put one down in that corner. So that went through the Board of Health and received a
variance for that.
MR. LONGACKER-Okay.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Well, tonight we're looking at the variance, recommendation to the ZBA for the
setbacks and floor area. Are there any concerns that we want to pass along to the ZBA as they deliberate
tomorrow night?
MR. DEEB-None that I can see.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. I believe we have a draft resolution.
RESOLUTION RE: ZBA RECOMMENDATION RE: AV# 5-2022 RONALD SEGULJIC
The applicant has submitted an application for the following: Applicant proposes to alter the existing
home to construct a 276 sq.ft.addition,a 156 sq.ft.patio area at the rear,an 54.5 sq.ft.covered front porch,
and a lower level for a garage and living area of1,237.53 sq. ft. The project includes a new septic system,
well,driveway area,and swale areas.The existing home footprint of 965 sq.ft.with a 190 sq.ft.porch/deck.
The existing floor area is 965 sq.ft. and the proposed is 2,592.71 sq.ft.Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,179-
6-065,site plan for a new floor plan shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.Variance:Relief
is sought for setbacks and floor area.
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The Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance,per Section 179-9-070 J 2 b. requires the Planning Board to
provide a written recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals for projects that require both Zoning
Board of Appeals&Planning Board approval;
The Planning Board has briefly reviewed and discussed this application,the relief request in the variance
application as well as the potential impacts of this project on the neighborhood and surrounding
community,and found that:
MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR AREA VARIANCE 8-2022 RONALD SEGULJIC
Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption, and
a) The Planning Board,based on a limited review,has not identified any significant adverse impacts
that cannot be mitigated with current project proposal.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 15`h day of March 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Longacker,Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan,Mr. LaSarso,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
MR. TRAVER-You're off to the ZBA.
MR. MAC ELROY-Thank you. See you next week.
MR.TRAVER-The next item on our agenda,also under Recommendations to the ZBA,is Katharine Seelye,
Site Plan 11-2022.
SITE PLAN NO.11-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE IL KATHARINE SEELYE. AGENT(S): RUCINSKI
HALL ARCHITECTURE(ETHAN HALL). O WNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: WR.
LOCATION: 14 CROOKED TREE DRIVE. APPLICANT PROPOSES A SECOND STORY
DORMER OF 136 SQ.FT.AND INTERIOR ALTERATIONS. THE DORMER ADDITION IS TO BE
OPEN BELOW AND THE EXISTING LOT WILL BE ENCLOSED FOR A BUNK ROOM. THE
PROJECT INCLUDES FACADE CHANGES WITH NEW WINDOW INSTALLATION ON THE
MAIN AND UPPER FLOORS. NO SITE WORK IS PROPOSED. THERE ARE TO BE NO
CHANGES TO THE EXISTING HOME'S FOOTPRINT OF 1,209 SQ.FT.700 SQ.FT.DECK PORCH
AND FLOOR AREA OF 2,778 SQ.FT. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040,179-13-010,179-6-050,
SITE PLAN FOR EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE IN A CEA SHALL BE
SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. VARIANCE: RELIEF IS SOUGHT
FOR SETBACKS. CROSS REFERENCE: SP 22-2003,AV 29-2001,AV 17-2003,SP 55-2017,AV 53-
2017,AV 70-2017,AV 9-2022. WARREN CO.REFERRAL: MARCH 2O22. SITE INFORMATION:
APA, LGPC,CEA. LOT SIZE: .62 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 239.15-1-10. SECTION: 179-3-040,
179=13=010,179-6-050.
ETHAN HALL, REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-This application is proposing a second story dormer of 136 square feet and interior
alterations. The dormer addition is to be open below and the existing loft area will be enclosed for a
bunkroom. In this case the relief sought is for setback to the shoreline.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. HALL-Good evening. For your records,my name is Ethan Hall. I'm a principle with Rucinski Hall
Architecture. Here tonight representing Kathy Seelye at 14 Crooked Tree Lane. Basically this is a volume
increase. There's no change in footprint. Do you have the pictures of the front elevation? The existing
front elevation from inside the house is very dark. There's a screened porch that's on the front. They want
to make that a three season part of the main room itself and they want to open the front up so that it faces
the lake to have better exposure. So basically on the right hand side of this picture is the screened porch.
The left hand side is the office, and then up above there are three rooms. The middle room is a very small
bedroom. There are already four bedrooms upstairs, one downstairs. This ends up in a net decrease of
bedrooms. So that middle room becomes the open part of the loft that's going to look down into the first
floor. So there's basically no change in the footprint. No change in the floor area ratio,and really the need
for the variance is because the existing building is too close to the existing shoreline.
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MR. TRAVER-So it's a pre-existing,non-conforming structure.
MR.HALL-Pre-existing,non-conforming structure.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. All right. What about lighting? Are you going to be adding any external lighting?
MR.HALL-No. There will be no change to the external light. There's actually no change to the exterior
of the building other than siding and new roofing. That very low pitched roof has an asphalt shingle roof
on it right now,only about a two and a half twelve roof that does not bode well.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Questions,comments from members of the Board?
MR. DEEB-Ethan,we had a previous situation on a site plan before us. You're going to have full glass in
the front?
MR.HALL-Yes. That front elevation that we have shown on,I think it's drawing A-3,A-4,I'm sorry.
MR. DEEB-I'm just wondering about glare.
MR. HALL-It's an anti-glare glass. So it's non-reflective glass. I know that's a big issue around the lake
with the sun beating off it. This is a northern exposure. And I warned them around that. This whole
front face basically faces due north right towards The Sagamore and they don't get a lot of sun in the winter.
It gets pretty decent sun in the summertime,but not much in the winter. So this is actually going to help
a little bit balance to get that back,but it's all anti-glare glass.
MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, Ethan,it was really interesting looking at the plans, and I read it and I looked at
the plans and I said they're taking out a room and they're bringing that light from up above down. So not
changing the footprint or adding anything,I appreciate it. It's a pretty cut and dry one for your there.
MR.HALL-Thank you.
MR.TRAVER-And again we're talking about a recommendation to the ZBA regarding the variance,which
is pre-existing. We do look at it again every time one of these comes back,but they're not changing the
setback. Does anyone have any concerns regarding that that we want to forward to the ZBA as they
evaluate the setback? Okay. I guess we have a motion,then.
RESOLUTION RE: ZBA RECOMMENDATION RE: AV#9-2022 KATHARINE SEELYE
The applicant has submitted an application for the following: Applicant proposes a second story dormer
of 136 sq.ft. and interior alterations. The dormer addition is to be open below and the existing loft will be
enclosed for a bunk room. The project includes facade changes with new window installation on the main
and upper floors. No site work is proposed. There are to be no changes to the existing home's footprint of
1,209 sq.ft.,700 sq.ft. deck/porch and floor area of 2,77E sq.ft..Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,179-13-010,
179-6-050, site plan for expansion of a non-conforming structure in a CEA shall be subject to Planning
Board review and approval.Variance: Relief is sought for setbacks.
The Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance,per Section 179-9-070 J 2 b. requires the Planning Board to
provide a written recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals for projects that require both Zoning
Board of Appeals&Planning Board approval;
The Planning Board has briefly reviewed and discussed this application,the relief request in the variance
application as well as the potential impacts of this project on the neighborhood and surrounding
community,and found that:
MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR AREA VARIANCE 9-2022 KATHARINE SEELYE,Introduced
by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption,and
a) The Planning Board,based on a limited review,has not identified any significant adverse impacts
that cannot be mitigated with current project proposal.
Motion seconded by John Molloy. Duly adopted this 15`h day of March 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan, Mr. LaSarso,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
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MR. TRAVER-You're off to the ZBA.
MR.HALL-Thank you very much.
MR. DEEB-Good luck.
MR.TRAVER-The next item on our agenda,also under Recommendations to the ZBA,is Harris Bay Yacht
Club,Site Plan 18-2022 and Special Use Permit 1-2022.
SITE PLAN NO. 18-2022 SPECIAL USE PERMIT 1-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. HARRIS BAY
YACHT CLUB. OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMOVE
AND REPLACE THE CASHIER BUILDING OF 109 SQ. FT. AND THE STORAGE BUILDING OF
209 SQ. FT. LOCATED ON DOCK C. THE EXISTING CLUB HOUSE OF 3,172 SQ. FT. HAS NO
IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED AND WILL REMAIN THE SAME. THE PROJECT INCLUDES
REPLACING THE FLOATING DOCK SYSTEM, INCLUDING 271 SEASONAL BERTHING SLIPS
FOR MEMBERS, WINTER STORAGE FOR UP TO 300 VESSELS, SALES AND SERVICE OF
MARINE PRODUCTS,FUEL SALES,AND ONSITE PUMP OUT SERVICES. THE PROJECT ALSO
INCLUDES REPLACING EXISTING STEEL PILES WITH DRIVEN PVC REINFORCES PILES
AND REPLACING THE EXISTING CONCRETE PADS AT THE SHORELINE. NEW LINES FOR
WATER, SEWER AND ELECTRIC WILL BE INSTALLED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
UPGRADES WILL INCLUDE FIRE SAFETY AND LIGHTING ON THE DOCKING SYSTEM.
PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040, 179-10-070, 179-5-060, SITE PLAN FOR WORK AT THE
MARINA, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR MARINA OPERATIONS, AND HARD SURFACING
WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE SHORELINE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW
AND APPROVAL. VARIANCE: RELIEF IS SOUGHT FOR SETBACKS. CROSS REFERENCE: SP
24-91, SV 112-1993,UV 111-1993,AV 11-2022. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: MARCH 2O22. SITE
INFORMATION: APA LGPC, CEA. LOT SIZE: 17.16 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 240.-1-23.1.
SECTION: 179-3-040,179-10-070,179-5-060.
ERIK SANDBLOM&FRANK CARNEY, REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-So this project includes remove and replacement of a an existing cashier building of 109
square feet, a storage building of 209 square feet,the existing club house of 3,172 square feet remains. The
project includes work over the water. This Board's only purview at this point is a storage building of 209
square feet and it's a setback issue,and then when we get into Site Plan there will be hard surfacing within
50 feet of the shoreline.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. SANDBLOM-Good evening. Erik Sandblom. I'm a principle with SRA Engineers. We're
representing Harris Bay Yacht Club and as Laura indicated tonight is just the referral to the Zoning Board,
it's my understanding,but we are on the agenda three weeks from now for the Special Use Permit and so I
thought I'd use this opportunity to kind of introduce the project a little bit as well.
MR. TRAVER-Please do.
MR. SANDBLOM-So it's basically an in kind replacement of the docks in that area. Kind of refer to it as
the dock replacement project. So they're floating docks that are anchored with piles. Some of the piles
that are there now are very deteriorated. They're steel piles. They're very corroded. The docks themselves
are pretty old and in need of replacement. So the plan is to replace everything with resilient materials that
are non-corrosive or will not be subject to corrosion, and the same thing with the piles. So the piles will
be replaced with fiber reinforced PVC piles in the exact same place as the existing piles, and even the
dimensions of the dock are to match the existing.
MR. TRAVER-So you're not increasing the capacity of the marina anymore.
MR.SANDBLOM-Correct,and we have been coordinating with other agencies,primarily the Lake George
Park Commission, providing them with an awful lot of information and just yesterday received a letter
indicating their concurrence that a permit is not, a modification is not needed for what's proposed and in
addition there are utilities that are underground from the club house now. There's no changes to the club
house itself, other than replacement of, or repair the existing foundation,which that work's already been
completed. Those permits are with the Codes office. There are new utilities proposed for all of the docks.
There's five contact points that the docks make to land and the utilities that are delivered to the docks
include water. It's a vacuum sewer line. There's a high vacuum pump at the club house to evacuate the
boats, and then there's electrical and utility going in and they're all going to be passed underground
through new concrete pads that the docks will connect to, and then there are chases within the dock
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system itself to transport all those utilities. Those concrete pads are the hard surface that's going to be
replaced,basically just replacing the wood and concrete surfaces that are there now. And then the utilities
will pass through it. There are two structures that are part of this project that are going to be replaced
and the footprint is to remain exactly the same. The first structure right here is a storage building. This
is right at the connection point for Dock C, which is the primary dock in the center there. It's a few
hundred square feet. I don't know the exact number,but the plan is to match the footprint exactly. That
existing, other alternatives were considered, but the existing floor pitches significantly. It's basically
settled into the muck which is basically the primary native material that's there now. So the plan is to
rectify that situation, and that is literally on the shoreline. There is no setback whatsoever that exists
there now. So that's a pre-existing, non-conforming structure and that is why we need to go before the
Zoning Board for that variance. The second one's a little unusual. There's a little building out here on
Dock C. It's the cashier building for the gasoline sales that occur,that little utility that is only going out
onto this Dock C here is gasoline as well. All of that piping is going to be replaced,double wall piping with
secondarily contained transfer points and a new secondary contained dispensary. That'll be a great
improvement to what's there now. All in accordance with DEC requirements,and then the building itself
is going to be replaced, again,in kind, the same footprint. We even bent over backwards a bit with the
dock manufacturer to get them to change how they are going to construct that dock specifically so that
the building can anchor in the same footprint that the existing one is there. So it's really truly an in kind
replacement. It's new materials,and so that's kind of unusual because of course it's floating on water. So
that h as a setback right now that I guess you could interpret as about negative 300 and some feet. So
that'll be a fun one to explain to the Zoning Board, but again, the plan is to maintain the exact same
footprint.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. A couple of questions initially, and then I'll open it up to members of the Board.
One, I guess an obvious one, would be with regard to the storage building, would that not function as a
storage building equally well if it were further back from the lake?
MR. SANDBLOM-Potentially.
MR. TRAVER-That would eliminate,potentially,that setback issue.
MR. SANDBLOM-It would not be possible to achieve the full setback.
MR. TRAVER-Right.
MR. SANDBLOM-I do have some others here from Harris Bay that deal more with the operations, and so
I would either confer with them on,if it's not critical to the operations we could consider that.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. DEEB-But they'll still need a variance.
MR. TRAVER-Yes,they'll still need a variance,but if it's not directly on the shoreline,you know,even if it
can't be completely outside of the variance, it would afford some additional protections, correct, my
thinking.
MR. DEEB-I guess.
MR. TRAVER-If something were to happen to something that was stored in that building, and I'm not
even counting stormwater and all that kind of thing.
MR. DEEB-But what's in the storage shed?
MR.CARNEY-My name's Frank Carney. I'm Frank Carney here from the Board of Harris Bay Yacht Club.
Right now it's the electrical building. We have existing electrical service in there now. That's going to
get moved into the club house, and that building is used for when we launch and haul in our boats. So
right at that dock is where we take all the boats out and we haul them back in,and that's where the material
is stored for that process.
MR. DEEB-So you're going to use it for removal equipment in that storage building?
MR. CARNEY-Half of it. Part of it is just the electrical room which is going to be gone.
MR. DEEB-All right. So what else will you store in there?
MR. CARNEY Just mechanic stools for when they haul out the boats and then launch the boats in the fall
and spring.
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MR. TRAVER-So that was what my question was, that,with that being the case, and with this upgrade
in facilities,would it be possible to move it some distance from the water,so it's not right on the water?
MRS.MOO RE-I guess one of the other questions,so when you say mechanics,usage. So those individuals
are taking items out of that building to use on the docks.
MR. CARNEY-Yes.
MRS. MOORE-So I apologize for interjecting, but is it more, if you were to move them away from the
shoreline,is it a site issue or is it a convenience issue to your customers?
MR. CARNEY-Well,right now Mike Sweeney services across the street and we contract with them to do
all the maintenance on the, all the commissioning of boats and that's where they keep their tools during
that process, and the boat is pulled up to that dock and it's getting removed of ice and pulled out at the
same time,and that's where they keep their tools to do that job.
MR. DEEB-So it is a matter of convenience.
MRS. MOORE-Yes, so it could be convenience but it also could address what Steve's saying is that if it's
not critical to service at the,right at the shoreline,they could have the service further out,further back.
MR. SANDBLOM-We're really just focused on maintaining that same footprint. We didn't want to
change the existing conditions. On further consideration.
MR. TRAVER-It is being changed because you're moving your electrical service, right? So it's already
redesigned in a sense.
MR. SANDBLOM-It's useful change to some degree. Correct.
MR. TRAVER-Yes.
MR. DEEB-But the material change is, there's no material change. The building is going to replace the
exact building that's there now. Same footprint.
MR. SANDBLOM-Right.
MR. DEEB-Same square footage. And I really don't see where it would be a big problem to do that.
MR.SANDBLOM-Some things that we would need to look at if it were to be moved is how it would impact
parking and boat storage. That's a pretty packed site right now, and that would definitely start to up end
some of those operations.
MR. TRAVER-Sure. I understand that, and I'm not suggesting that it cause a problem,but being on the
water in itself is a bit of an issue. Right? And with the electrical service there in past use, and I've seen
the process that you're describing,taking the boats in and out. Certainly having the electrical panels and
so on there,that's one thing,but if you're removing that out of that building,then it becomes basically just
a storage facility,which is just used a couple of times a year. Right? The spring and the fall basically?
MR. CARNEY-That's what it's used now.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. So I'm just thinking in terms of proximity to the lake. I mean even if it were to come
back a few feet,I mean you're not going to park cars there. Right?
MR.SANDBLOM-There is a tank,well,what is the tank there,is that diesel? Well gasoline is buried. So
gasoline tanks are buried here, and then this right here is an above ground tank for diesel fuel I believe.
MR. CARNEY-Yes.
MR. DEEB-Is that staying?
MR. SANDBLOM-Yes. That's where the gas is. So that would require reconfiguring that system there,
essentially,unless it was just flipped to the other side.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. SANDBLOM-And there's a sea wall along this right here that's going to remain whether the building
is there or not.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
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MR. DIXON-I think anything that that storage building could be brought back is an improvement,and it
will help you,long term,too because your existing one is sinking in the muck. So the farther away you get
it from the muck.
MR. SANDBLOM-Yes,I think the problem is the subsurface of the lake right there, as far as the structural
problems.
MR. TRAVER-That's a really swampy area. That has been since.
MR. SANDBLOM-Yes, the building's all on piles completely and the piles that are holding the dock
systems are anywhere from 20 feet to 45 feet deep.
MR. TRAVER-Well, I only bring it up because it would be an improvement,no matter how slight. So if
there's a way that you can do it without ruining all of your other plans I think that would be a significant
improvement. If it can't be done,it can't be done.
MR. SANDBLOM-It's something that we hadn't considered. So we'll consider it further.
MR.DEEB-Why don't I ask you this. Would it be more problematic to move it or to leave it there? Which
would cause you more problems?
MR. TRAVER-Well I'm not sure they know the answer to that yet. They're going to look into it.
MR. SANDBLOM-Without doing a detailed analysis, I don't know, but my gut tells me that there's a
potential to create some problems.
MR.MAC OWAN-I look at that building and I've been to the site and I have some friends,and there's some
big boats there, and it's an overhead crane spread beam that lifts these out and I don't know if you've ever
grabbed a six or an eight inch boat strap and then the turn buckles and everything, and the last thing I
want to be doing is carrying them darn things across, and you know, and everybody wants their boat in to
the last minute, and then they've all got to come out in a week and a half. So I don't have a problem with
that being there,just knowing the process it takes to take these boats in and out, and also you've got the
sailboats. Some take the masts down and some don't take the masts down. So there's a lot of roping and
rigging that goes in there, and there's nothing like having a tool handy, and like I said, it's been there a
coon's age. If they can get it where it's secure, I don't have a problem with it,but I've worked on enough
boats and I've yanked a few myself that without that crane forget it.
MR. TRAVER-I think the equipment that you're describing is across the street normally. Right?
MR. CARNEY-The crane is,but during the process of hauling them out.
MR. MAGOWAN-There's so much that,they just don't wrap a little string around them and lift it up.
MR. DEEB-Laura,questions I have. There really is only one variance we're looking at and that's the zero.
Everything else that you described out on the water is really,we don't have anything to do with that at all.
That's the Town of Bolton.
MRS. MOORE-No, that is actually in our purview. I think it's more of a Park issue, Park Commission
issue, and they've already indicated that this project doesn't need a permit. They've already approached
the APA and they got a non-jurisdictional review. So if the Park Commission is comfortable with their
replacement project,I don't know who else,other entity that they would have to cover.
MR. SANDBLOM-It took a while to convince the Army Corps that we fit under their permit, but they
finally gave us their blessing.
MRS. MOORE-So the only purview that this Board has.
MR. DEEB-Is that one setback.
MRS. MOORE-Is the one setback.
MR. DEEB-Is that one setback, and even if you did move it you'd need a variance.
MR. TRAVER-Right.
MR. DEEB-And I guess my opinion is it would be more of a problem to move it back.
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MRS. MOORE-So if this Board,during their recommendation,thought it would be a good idea to at least
explore it, I think the applicant sounds like they're willing to explore it. They may come back with the
same result,but it's been addressed.
MR. TRAVER-Right. Exactly. We had a conversation. That's all. Okay. Any other questions,
comments from members of the Board?
MR. DEEB-Well,I guess if we're not going to send it to the, are we going to table it?
MRS.MOO RE-No,you can continue your recommendation. So if you want to include a recommendation
that there may be a concern with the setback or the applicant's willing to explore the setback, but this
Board doesn't identify any additional concerns with this project,you could do it in that sense.
MR. TRAVER-Yes,that's exactly right.
MRS. MOORE-It's more of a comment.
MR. TRAVER-Yes.
MR. DEEB-Mike's got his work cut out.
MR. TRAVER-He always does. I would say just that we had a conversation with the applicant regarding
evaluating a zero setback.
MR. DEEB-We're still going to make that recommendation.
MR. MAGOWAN-When is your zoning meeting,tomorrow night?
MR. TRAVER-Tomorrow night.
MR. SANDBLOM-Tomorrow night.
MRS. MOORE-Tomorrow night.
MR. DEEB-So the recommendation would be to go for the zero foot setback with the idea of exploring.
MR. TRAVER-Right?
MR. DEEB-What's the setback,Laura?
MRS. MOORE-In this zone,50 feet.
MR. DEEB-That's probably impossible, 50 feet. So we're saying you're going to explore, but you're still
going to need a variance.
MR. TRAVER-Right. Anything else? Okay.
RESOLUTION RE: ZBA RECOMMENDATION RE: AV#11-2022 HARRIS BAY YACHT CLUB
The applicant has submitted an application for the following: Applicant proposes to remove and replace
the cashier building of 109 sq. ft. and the storage building of 209 sq. ft. located on Dock C. The existing
club house of 3,172 sq. ft. has no improvements proposed and will remain the same. The project includes
replacing the floating dock system, including 271 seasonal berthing slips for members, winter storage for
up to 300 vessels,sales and service of marine products,fuel sales,and onsite pump out services.The project
also includes replacing existing steel piles with driven PVC reinforces piles and replacing the existing
concrete pads at the shoreline. New lines for water, sewer and electric will be installed as part of the
project. Upgrades will include fire safety and lighting on the docking system. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-
040,179-10-070,179-5-060,site plan for work at the marina,special use permit for marina operations, and
hard surfacing within 50 feet of the shoreline shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
Variance: Relief is sought for setbacks.
The Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance,per Section 179-9-070 J 2 b. requires the Planning Board to
provide a written recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals for projects that require both Zoning
Board of Appeals&Planning Board approval;
The Planning Board has briefly reviewed and discussed this application,the relief request in the variance
application as well as the potential impacts of this project on the neighborhood and surrounding
community,and found that:
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MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR AREA VARIANCE 11-2022 HARRIS BAY YACHT CLUB,
Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption, and
a) The Planning Board,based on a limited review,has not identified any significant adverse impacts
that cannot be mitigated with current project proposal. However, we had a conversation
regarding eliminating the zero foot setback.
Motion seconded by Jackson LaSarso. Duly adopted this 15`h day of March 2022 by the following vote:
MRS.MOORE-That works,because then the applicant can explain what that zero foot conversation was.
MR. TRAVER-Yes.
AYES: Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan,Mr. LaSarso, Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
MR. TRAVER-You're off to the ZBA.
MR. DEEB-Good luck.
MR. SANDBLOM-Thank you very much. We'll see you back in a couple of weeks.
MR. TRAVER-The next section of our agenda is New Business, and the first item under New Business is
Northway Self Storage,LLC, Site Plan 16-2022.
SITE PLAN NO. 16-2022 SEQR TYPE: UNLISTED. NORTHWAY SELF STORAGE, LLC.
AGENT(S): EDP (B. RAGONE). OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: CLI.
LOCATION: 162 CAREY ROAD. APPLICANT PROPOSES CONSTRUCTION OF TWO NEW
SELF-STORAGE STRUCTURES, ONE 4,000 SQ. FT. AND ONE 6,000 SQ. FT. SITE WORK
INCLUDES ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT FOR NEW BUILDINGS. THERE ARE 4 EXISTING SELF-
STORAGE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE WITH A TOTAL OF 24,000 SQUARE FEET. PURSUANT
TO CHAPTER 179-3-040, 179-9-020, SITE PLAN FOR NEW STORAGE BUILDINGS SHALL BE
SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE 46-2020.
WARREN CO.REFERRAL: MARCH 2O22. SITE INFORMATION: CAREY ROAD INDUSTRIAL
PARK. LOT SIZE: 2.77 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 309.13-2-31.112. SECTION: 179-3-040,179-9-
020.
BRANDON FERGUSON,REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS.MOO RE-This application proposes two new self storage structures. One is to be 4,000 square feet.
The other is to be 6,000 square feet. Additional pavement is proposed. There are an existing four self
storage units on this site. The total of that is 24,000 square feet. I did note that there are some landscaping
items that still need to be addressed in regards to previous plans that this Board approved in modification.
Some of the plants have since died since that modification occurred and Code Compliance wanted to make
sure I brought that information up so that we do address landscaping ultimately, and at this point this is
really,it's a Site Plan for a new structure.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. FERGUSON-Good evening. Brandon Ferguson with Environmental Design Partnership. I'm here
representing Northway Self Storage, LLC. The existing parcel is a 2.77 acre parcel located on the eastern
side of Carey Road. Right now there are four structures on that site, four self storage units or buildings
with a total of 160 units. We are proposing two additional storage units for 76 additional units on site.
These proposed units will be on the front end of the site. We're going to do all permeable pavement around
the units. We're going to expand the existing stormwater, kind of relocate the existing stormwater to
maintain what they had before as well. There's no water or sewer hookup to these. They're just off storage
units. They're going to look essentially the same as the storage units that are there now,same color scheme,
same brand, same style. So we're serving under an acre, and that's pretty much a summary. I know we
talked a little bit about the plantings there. Some of them died. They will replace them,those that have
died. Back over to you guys for any questions.
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MR. TRAVER-Okay. Well you asked for a waiver. I wanted to ask about the lighting. Are you adding
any lighting,or what is the lighting that's there now?
MR. FERGUSON-Yes. The lighting will be similar to what's there now. So they're building mounted
lights. We did submit a photometric plan with those light models and everything on it.
MR. TRAVER-Right. I guess what I'm asking is it going to be an expansion of the same setup that you
have there now?
MR. FERGUSON-Yes. They're building wall mounted.
MR. TRAVER-And then with regards to the landscaping,we have a pre-approved,it was approved when
the original plan came in. So you're acknowledging that that needs to be refreshed and there will be some
updated plantings.
MR. FERGUSON-Yes. Some of the hemlocks that were planted back,I think we originally got approved
for 10. A few of them, I don't know how many of them,maybe three or four of them may have died. Not
atypical. They will have to be replaced with new ones.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So 10 were originally approved and you will replace the plantings to bring the
number back to 10.
MR. FERGUSON-Yes.
MR. MAGOWAN-I would like to see a few more,now that he's coming closer to the road.
MR. DEEB-I'd go along with that,too.
MR. TRAVER-How many more?
MR. DEEB-Before we get into that, you all know that we've talked about storage areas, storage sheds
before. We've had several of them come before our Board and I don't want to sound like I'm pessimistic,
but I really think,and I've mentioned this before,they need to be upgraded as far as appearance goes. We
talked about,when Chris was on the Board,we talked about making them look rustic,instead of the steel
doors and that they're ugly,and I'll tell you,our Town is getting full of them right now. I think this would
be an opportunity,too bad you're here now,because we're talking about Brad saying more plantings. I'd
like to see the plantings hide the building,to tell you the truth,from the road,if that's a possibility.
MR. TRAVER-Well,the only practical way to do that would be like with fencing or something.
MR. DEEB-Not really. I think you can do it with plantings. At least, you know, put it out of eyesight
somewhat. It doesn't glare at you.
MR. FERGUSON-The applicant is here as well, and he can speak on that a little bit more, but it's my
understanding they're not against putting some more planting there if that's what the Board wants to see,
and that building that's closest to the road, the storage units will not be on the roadside. Those doors,
because we're going to have all sorts of.
So on that side there would be no doors.
MR. TRAVER Just state your name for the record. We do keep minutes of the meeting.
WILL BORSHERS
MR. BORSHERS-My name is Will Borshers, and I'm here on behalf of Northway Self Storage, LLC. The
side of the building facing the road will not have any doors. It will just be metal panels.
MR.DEEB-Eureka. That means you can make it look even more appealing,can't you? If you're not putting
the doors on that side. You could side it with something else besides metal. You could make it look better
so that it's more appealing from the road.
MR. FERGUSON-Or maybe different colors, a nicer color.
MR. DEEB-Metal's metal. It's sterile, and this is something I've been pushing for a while with storage
sheds. Again,I'm sorry you're here this time now,but that gives you the perfect opportunity to make that
appearance. I don't know cost wise what it would be,but I think it would be the perfect opportunity to
make it look more appealing from the road.
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MR.TRAVER-Well,if they're planting evergreens out there,how about if they painted it like a forest green
color? Between the trees and what little.
MRS. MOORE-I mean, are you suggesting a different type of fagade?
MR. DEEB-Yes.
MRS. MOORE-Okay.
MR. FERGUSON-One option would be like a two tone thing where if you have a split,so that it's not all,
because what's going to happen on that side, there's no door, so it's going to be, there's no windows in
these units either. So you don't see what's in them. So there's going to be,it's long,kind of white side of
the building. So one option would be doing one type of siding down low,a few different colors. That way
it just doesn't look as.
MR.DEEB-I mean you don't have to go up that high,but if you did metal on the bottom and then did some
type of facade on the top.
MR.MAGO WAN-Even if you stone halfway up,you know,and put a load of ledger and your metal on top,
something like that. Do you know what I'm saying? It just breaks it up. I mean,you know, I'm looking
at this picture, all right, and that was all woods, okay, and it's set back, and now you want to bring them
right up to the road and all I really see in here are two trees, all right. I'm not even seeing the shrubs,and
I talk about shrubs, and I'm not trying to penalize you or anything,but that's in an industrial park,but a
lot of those places there, I mean look what Hacker did, changed the color of the buildings, but what a
difference, got rid of the blue, and it really looks spectacular,but breaking up,I like that idea. It doesn't
have to be stone,you know what I'm saying. You can get a composite. You might even be able to get a
compressed,you know,metal type looking stone to put on there with a little lip,give it like a little sill look,
and then the panel, it would just break it up, and then I always bring up,you know, when I talk about
some trees,I always like that on 9L in Lake George,right at the bottom of Lockhart Mountain,there was
that brown house that was all trees,cut them all down and he put stones up there,and now the new owners
they put up these hemlocks,they must have been eight feet in the ground,you know,they must have been
twelve foot trees. I'm not asking you for that large, and the way they staggered them,and two years later
you can't even seethe house. So that's what I'm trying to,you know,the evergreens,because I know there's
different,you know, types of metals that you can get now if you want to go with metal, and metal's not
cheap. It might be a little bit more to go with some kind of stamp look,but I think that would give it a
nice look and blend it in with the trees. People are going to say I want my stuff at your place.
MR. TRAVER-Well,to be fair to the applicant,I'd like us to be specific if we can,first as far as plantings,
and then if you have specific colors,types of siding that we want,we should be specific so that they know
exactly what the expectation is.
MR.DIXON-Would the applicant actually be forced to be coming back in front of us again to present what
that facade would look like?
MRS. MOORE-That's a good question. If the applicant,this Board could potentially table this until next
week for or until,we have three meetings, as well,in this month. So if the applicant thinks that provides
them enough time to come up with that scheme of plantings and siding, which I'm not thinking is too
complicated.
MR. DEEB-It's a simple fix. I mean, I don't think we're asking for a lot,but it would really snazz up the
appearance of it.
MR. TRAVER-What about for the 29`h,Laura? That would give them a couple of weeks.
MRS. MOORE-I don't know what their timeframe is.
MR. FERGUSON-Yes,I mean as far as the planting plan goes,and adding some plantings to the plan,that
can easily be done by the 16`h for that. Architecturals by then.
MR.BORSHERS-I think that moving faster would be beneficial because with the rising cost of materials,
if we wait too long,we may miss our opportunity to build this.
MR. TRAVER-Well we're talking one week or two weeks.
MR.BORSHERS-Right,exactly. So I think even if we could save one week,one week ahead.
MR. FERGUSON-We could probably get you the planting plan.
MR. DEEB-Get us the color scheme,too,so that we know what it looks like.
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MRS.MOORE-At this point it may be a narrative to this Board and then at the meeting it may be the actual
product.
MR. DEEB-Okay.
MRS.MOO RE-That way that gives them a little more time to do a little more research. I'm not quite sure
what products are out there.
MR. MAGOWAN-They've got a dry stack like that,you know. I've just seen that on a house, putting it
in in interlocks,you know,put up the metal,first strip,zip it on,do a top lip,you know,to bend over and
stop the water and just breaks it up.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Well then we will table this until next Tuesday night.
MR. DIXON-Laura,when do you need the information by,so they're prepared for it,or are we just leaving
it open-ended?
MRS. MOORE-I would say by Monday if that works,because then I can e-mail the Board members that
information because at that point it should really be some images and some narrative. I would say by
Monday afternoon.
MR. TRAVER-Get the information to Laura and she can send it out.
MR. FERGUSON-We can do that.
MR. DEEB-And thank you. I appreciate it.
MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, and don't hold back on the shrubs,all right.
MRS. MOORE-So before you table it,you have a public hearing,open that and leave it open.
MR. TRAVER-We also have the SEQR that we'll also have to wait.
MRS. MOORE-You have SEQR to complete. So the public hearing, at this point there's no public
comment.
MR.TRAVER-All right. Then we'll open the public hearing. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted
to address the Planning Board on this application? Okay. There's no written comment.
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR.TRAVER-So we'll leave the public hearing open to next week,and we'll also hold on SEQR until next
week until we get the information.
MR. DIXON-So it's just the tabling motion.
MR. TRAVER-Yes.
RESOLUTION TABLING SP#16-2022 NORTHWAY SELF STORAGE,LLC
Applicant proposes construction of two new self-storage structures,one 4,000 sq.ft. and one 6,000 sq.ft.
Site work includes additional pavement for new buildings. There are 4 existing self-storage buildings on
the site with a total of 24,000 sq. ft. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040, 179-9-020, site plan for new storage
buildings shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN 16-2022 NORTHWAY SELF STORAGE. Introduced by Michael
Dixon who moved for its adoption,seconded by David Deeb.
Tabled until the March 22,2022 Planning Board meeting with information due by March 21,2022.
Duly adopted this 15`h day of March 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. LaSarso, Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker,Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
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MR. TRAVER-All right. See you next week. The next item on our agenda, also under New Business,is
Adirondack Factory Outlet Center,Site Plan 12-2022.
SITE PLAN NO. 12-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. ADIRONDACK FACTORY OUTLET CENTER.
AGENT(S): RUCINKSKI HALL ARCHITECTURE (ETHAN HALL). OWNER(S): SAME AS
APPLICANT. ZONING: CI. LOCATION: 1444 STATE ROUTE 9. APPLICANT PROPOSES
TO UPGRADE THE FACADE AND WINDOW SCHEME ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE
STRUCTURE. RENOVATIONS INCLUDE REMOVING THE FALSE FACADE TO REPLACE
WITH FACADE TO BE ALIGNED AS ONE FACADE FEATURE BETWEEN THE FALSE PEAKED
ROOF AREAS. THE COLOR SCHEME TO BE NEUTRAL BROWN AND GREEN COLORS. THE
WINDOWS WILL ALSO BE CHANGED TO FULL TOP TO BOTTOM. THE EXISTING
BUILDING IS 102,994 SQ. FT. WITH MULTIPLE TENANTS. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-
040, 179-9-020, SITE PLAN FOR FACADE WORK ON AN EXISTING BUILDING SHALL BE
SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SP
30=2018, SP 64-2019, SP (M) 16-2020. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: MARCH 2O22. SITE
INFORMATION: TRAVEL CORRIDOR. LOT SIZE: 7.02 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 288.12-1-22.
SECTION: 179-3-040,179-9-020.
ETHAN HALL&LAURA KOHLS, REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-This applicant proposes to upgrade the south side of the property, similar to what
happened on the north side. At this point this includes replacing the existing facade so that it aligns with,
as one unit and is not staggered. The peaked roofs that are there will remain. The color scheme includes
neutral ground and green colors. The windows will be changed to full top to bottom and the applicant
provided information about the north side. So you can see what it will be, and then in reference to,there
were some outstanding items with the Code Compliance Officer. At this point I think they've been
clarified. In reference to landscaping I think there were a couple of more things about plantings. There's
a couple of trees that have been cut down. The applicant should address that information about what
they're going to put in place for that, and then I had some requests about signage, lighting, and the
timeframe about how this all would occur.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR.HALL-Good evening. For your records again my name is Ethan Hall. I'm a principal with Rucinski
Hall Architecture. With me tonight is Laura Kohls, the General Manager of Adirondack Factory Outlet
Mall. This is a continuation of the project that we had before you I'm going to say about a year and a half
ago when we started. So the Mall,the facade on the north side of the Mall was re-done to kind of match
the newbuilding that's beside it,kind of start to blend everything together,and the idea is just to continue
that around the corner to do everything that was done on the north side,on the south side of the building,
make it look sort of tall and cohesive and in unity. That's really about the extent of it. There is a
modification on the south side which is what Laura was talking about and I worked with Bruce Frank on
getting that updated. When we initially had some in there were some banked parking spaces that wound
up getting paved. It was all part of the initial part of it. They actually had to cut,there was a drive aisle
that was wider than what Bruce had thought was necessary, but we took care of it with doing some
striping and we made them compact parking spaces. There's a wood retaining wall that runs along the
south side of the property that has a wood rail fence. We're going to extend that down so that people
don't walk off the edge. That's what's kind of happened right now. So we're trying to prevent that. I
think that's the extent of it.
MRS. MOORE-What about the trees,the two trees that were cut in front? There's two trees that need to
be replaced.
MR.HALL-Okay. I didn't recall him talking to me about that,but I'll double check with Bruce and figure
out what's going on.
MR. DIXON-Or is it just two or could there be more?
MRS. MOORE-There could be more if the Board wishes to have more, but right now I know Bruce
provided me with a photo of two cut trees in the front.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. What's the,we should be specific about the location,Laura. Do you know how to
describe the location of the trees that need to be fixed?
MRS. MOORE-They were on the south side, and pretty much near the sign.
MR. TRAVER-South side near the sign. Okay, and there are at least two trees that were originally
approved that need to be replaced.
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MRS. MOORE-Need to be replaced.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. And then what about signage? There was some question about signage?
MRS. MOORE-Right now there's no information about it.
MR.HALL-Yes,so basically the front facade,do you have the pictures of the north side? Yes,the idea is to
match what we had done on the north side on the south side, and it would depend on the store tenants as
to what they have,but the idea is the same as what,yes. So you can see what's on the south side now. The
idea is to make them all similar to what was done on the north side.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MS. KOHLS-Which they actually all are. They're already black.
MRS. MOORE-So they're just going to be taking those sign panels off.
MS. KOHLS-Taking them down and putting them up on the new facade.
MR. TRAVER-Laura,do you want details submitted?
MRS. MOORE-No,that clarifies what they're trying to do. There was no information on the application.
So a note like that could be placed on the drawing that says the existing signage is to remain. It's being
taken off and being replaced.
MS. KOHLS Just as it was on the north side.
MR.DEEB-Ethan,can you explain,I'm curious as to the re-striping. It's interesting. If I remember,what's
the width of the strips of the parking.
MR.HALL-It didn't have to do with the width of the striping or anything. It had to do with the width of
the drive aisle. The drive aisle was wider on the south side.
MR. DEEB-Okay.
MR.HALL-When they came in and they re-sealed the parking lot,they had to re-strip it. Obviously when
you come in and re-seal it,it covers up all the stripes that are there. When they started striping it,they
started from the Mall and worked their way out. They had wider aisle on one end. In my opinion,a wider
aisle in the parking lot is better than a narrower. I mean it makes more sense.
MR.DEE&Well I've seen these huge trucks come in and they go in these parking spots and they take three
of them up,which is.
MR. TRAVER-There's also a public hearing on this application. Is there anyone in the audience that
wanted to comment to the Planning Board on this application? Are there written comments,Laura?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-There's no written comments.
MR. TRAVER-Then we will open and close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MRS. MOORE-So just to reframe the parking area. There really isn't a traditional compact space.
MR. TRAVERJust a short space.
MR.HALL-Yes.
MRS. MOORE-So if you're planning to go through the approval process, you should note that, that you
accept the site plan as is. So that there's no question in the future did they receive the necessary approvals
for that.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. DIXON-I didn't get that one.
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MR. TRAVER-So part of the approval,if approved,would be we would accept the parking plan as is.
MR. MAGOWAN-I'm amazed. It's great business. I mean that was a good hit.
MS. KOHLS-Yes,that's a very successful Eddie Bauer. So we're very happy with the refresh. We'd like
to finish the south side,make some other tenants hopefully as happy.
MR. DEEB-It's a little different than it was a couple of years ago.
MR. KOHLS-Even successful tenants have lots of competition throughout the U.S. to go elsewhere. We
have leases that come up every single year and it's a conversation and the landlords are giving more and
more to keep these tenants here,even despite the success that they're having.
MR. MAGOWAN-Any luck up north anymore?
MS.KOHLS-Actually I will say the luck I'm having is I've had three conversations since the first of the year
which is more than I had all last year on that site.
MR. MAGOWAN-We'll just keep praying.
MS. KOHLS-I do have one other question if you have a moment that I would like to ask.
MR. TRAVER-Sure.
MS. KOHLS-We have had a couple of people approach us that would like to go into Adirondack Outlet
Mall for food service that would want to include a seasonal hot truck in the area. In order to do that,
though,the traditional requirements would require coming before you all to get that approved and wants
a 75 foot setback. So I told the perspective tenants we're not going to jump through all those hoops unless
we got a feel for is that something you all would even consider, given that a 75 foot setback,if required,
would put the food truck right in the middle of the parking lot and cause a lot of problems for safety reasons
and others. If we were to pursue something,we would be interested in putting it in that front corner that
is now grass,facing,it would be facing the Mall itself, so that customers would be able to come from the
parking lot into the safe area,the grass area,and then have ease egress to and from the sidewalk to continue
walking up and down the sidewalks and continuing their shopping experience,but that would require a
variance on your part and I don't know if that's something that I should even bother.
MR. TRAVER-Well it wouldn't be on our part. It would be the ZBA.
MS. KOHLS-But you would have to approve it,too.
MRS. MOORE-It would be subject to site plan,yes.
MR. DEEB We did a food truck at the Brewery.
MRS. MOORE-We've done a few food trucks.
MR. DEE&We've done a few of them.
MR. TRAVER-We would certainly consider it.
MR. DEEB-Yes,I mean you're not setting a precedent.
MR. MAGOWAN-Are you going to use that in the compact car area?
MR. HALL-Well we're not too far away from that, but in order to keep people from stacking into the
parking lot,it's a better option that people could be on the grass area,be on that island,so to speak.
MS. KOHLS-And realistically it would be only a five months out of the year operation, too, given the
seasonality of it.
MR. MAGOWAN-I don't know. They iced in the brew house up in the ice castle there.
MS. KOHLS-So we maybe back in front of you with something along those lines. I just wanted to let you
know while I was here tonight.
MR. DIXON-I will throw out,if you do get to that point of conversation,the only thing I would think of
is would they be operating off a generator or would you provide power out there? Because obviously the
increased noise,generators just get to be a nuisance.
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MR. TRAVER-You probably want to check with the Fire Marshal's office. Okay. Anything else on the
application before us?
MR. MAGOWAN-Get those trees.
MR. TRAVER-Yes,I think we have that as part of our motion.
MR. HALL-I think that they're the ones that are in the island between the parking and the street, and
that's.
MR. TRAVER-That's the south end by the sign area.
MR. HALL-There were some dead ones and when they came through with the transformers they had to
get access. We'll take a look.
MR. DEEB-It's looking good,though. It looks good.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. It will look even better when it all matches.
DAVE KENNY
MR. KENNY-David Kenny. The trees hide the transformers. Trees all around. They say have to be
accessible. The major power problem we had,they came in with their trucks and said,clean this up. We
want to hide the transformers. I think NiMo's going to come in eventually and say.
MRS. MOORE-Doesn't someone paint them in Glens Falk?
MR.HALL-Well,they do the traffic ones.
MRS. MOORE-They do a lot of the traffic ones.
MR. DEEB-Put a fence around it with a gate.
MR.KENNY-They won't let us do that,either.
MR. MAGOWAN-Yes,they have certain regulations.
MR.HALL-They're very particular about what you can put around their.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Anything else?
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#12-2022 ADIRONDACK FACTORY OUTLET CENTER
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board: Applicant proposes to upgrade the
facade and window scheme on the South side of the structure. Renovations include removing the false
facade to replace with facade to be aligned as one facade feature between the false peaked roof areas. The
color scheme to be neutral brown and green colors.The windows will also be changed to full top to bottom.
The existing building is 102,994 sq. ft. with multiple tenants. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040, 179-9-020,
site plan for facade work on an existing building shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning
Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren
County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 3/15/2022 and continued the
public hearing to 3/15/2022 when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments
made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 3/15/2022;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 12-2022 ADIRONDACK FACTORY OUTLET CENTER,-
Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption;
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions:
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1) Waivers request granted:k.topography,n traffic,o. commercial alterations/construction details,
q. soil logs, r. construction/demolition disposal s. snow removal to be reasonable to request a
waiver for the site conditions and facade improvements.
2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for
requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired if you have not
yet applied for a building permit or commenced significant site work.
3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) If application was referred to engineering, then engineering sign-off required prior to signature of
Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
b) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey,floor
plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site
improvements,
c) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and
Codes personnel;
d) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work;
e) Subsequent issuance of further permits,including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
f) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy;
g) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible.
h) Applicant to replace two dead trees located near the south side sign.
i) Existing south side signs to be removed and replaced the same as the north side of the building.
j) Parking arrangement approved as submitted.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 15th day of March 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. LaSarso, Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker,Mr. Molloy, Mr. Magowan,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
MR. TRAVER-You're all set.
MR.HALL-Thank you very much.
MR. TRAVER-The next item on our agenda, also under New Business, is Deliciously Different Holdings,
LLC,Site Plan 14-2022.
SITE PLAN NO. 14-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. DELICIOUSLY DIFFERENT HOLDINGS
LLC/MARK SMITH. OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: CM. LOCATION: 430
DIX AVENUE. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REUSE AN EXISTING 960 SQ. FT. BUILDING TO
OPERATE A BAKERY BUSINESS. THE SITE HAS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT TO BE USED
AND NO OTHER SITE CHANGES ARE PROPOSED. WAIVERS RE REQUESTED FOR
STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, TOPOGRAPHY, AND SOIL LOGS. PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 179-3-040,179-9-020,SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR A PROJECT WITH NO SITE PLAN IN
THE LAST SEVEN YEARS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND
APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: AV 1356-20325 (1988),SP 23-89,SP 27-2011. WARREN CO.
REFERRAL: MARCH 2O22. LOT SIZE: .18 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 303.16-1-62. SECTION:
179-3-040,179-9-020.
MARK&ROBIN SMITH,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-This is a reuse of an existing building. This building is 960 square feet. It's to operate a
bakery business. This site has an existing parking lot. It is to be used and no other site changes are
proposed.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MRS. SMITH-I'm Robin Smith. This is my husband Mark Smith.
MR. TRAVER-So tell us about your project.
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MRS. SMITH-So we have an existing location on 425 Bay Road and we're basically expanding for retail
operations,offering baked goods and food to go hopefully. So people want to start working again. I hired
a chef. Yes,so we're super excited about it.
MR. TRAVER-Okay, and you're reusing the existing building. It looks like very few changes that you're
proposing.
MRS. SMITH-Very few changes,yes. So we're painting,sprucing it up,neatening it up. We'll tighten up
the landscape a little bit,make it a little neater,more attractive.
MR. TRAVER-And signage,right,you're going to change?
MRS. SMITH-Yes, we have an existing sign. We've already been in touch with West Signs to refinish
that sign,new logo,yes.
MR. DEEB-Are you going to do delivery or do you want people to come in?
MRS. SMITH-We would like people to come in. Delivery is an option,or pick up at our current location
at 425 Bay.
MR. DEEB-I'm trying to think where it is.
MRS. SMITH-We're right across from Heart's Way.
MR. DEEB-Yes.
MRS. SMITH-Yes. So we have a full kitchen at that location and some office space and some meeting
space. We're not open for retail because we do off premise catering.
MR. TRAVER-Interesting.
MR. DIXON-For this location are you going to have any indoor or outdoor seating?
MRS. SMITH-No seating.
MR. SMITH-It'll just be takeout.
MRS. SMITH-Yes. Walk-in,pickup,takeout.
MR. DIXON-Do you foresee any outdoor seating in the future,people having coffee and treats?
MRS. SMITH-No, not unless they want to linger outside and lean up against the railing. No, there's no
space. It's too small.
MR. DEEB-Not a lot of room in that.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. There is a public hearing on this application. Is there anyone in the audience that
wanted to address the Planning Board on this application? I'm not seeing any takers. Written comments,
Laura?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-There's no written comments.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we will open and close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-Type II SEQR.
MR. MAGOWAN-I just want to say, keep those shrubs. They're beautifully trimmed. You're going to
paint the outside you said?
MRS.SMITH-Well we're painting on the inside right now. I mean I would love to get the outside looking
a little more modern and really, I mean ideally, we have Nissan kind of down diagonal. I would love for
that kind of nice modern trend to reach us so people want to come in our direction.
MR. MAGOWAN-It's a great location. The building is dated.
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MRS. SMITH-It's a little dated. So hopefully the landscaping will modernize it a little bit, and I'd like to
see the outside painted,but we don't currently have plans for that. In my head it looks a lot different.
MR. MAGOWAN-There's nothing wrong with those dreams.
MRS. SMITH-So we're just currently trying to get the inside outfitted and ready for business. But no
major changes in the future,landscaping,make the building more modern,more attractive and welcome.
Bring clients from Glens Falls into our area.
MR. DEEB-It's always nice to get new businesses.
MR. TRAVER-Yes,it sure is.
MRS. SMITH-Yes,we're excited.
MR. TRAVER-Anything further before we consider a motion? All right,I guess we're ready for that.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#14-2022 DELICIOUSLY DIFFERENT HOLDINGS,LLC
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board:Applicant proposes to reuse an existing
960 sq. ft. building to operate a bakery business. The site has an existing parking lot to be used and no
other site changes are proposed.Waivers are requested for stormwater management,topography,and soil
logs. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,179-9-020, site plan review for a project with no site plan in the last
seen years shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning
Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren
County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 3/15/2022 and continued the
public hearing to 3/15/2022 when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments
made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 3/15/2022;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 14-2022 DELICIOUSLY DIFFERENT HOLDINGS,
LLC/MARK SMITH;Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption;
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions:
1) Waivers request granted: items g. site lighting, h. signage, j. stormwater, k. topography, 1.
landscaping,n traffic, o. commercial alterations/construction details,p floor plans, q. soil logs,r.
construction/demolition disposal s.snow removal determined to be reasonable to request a waiver
as the applicant is using the site as is and making interior change for the bakery.
2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for
requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired if you have not
yet applied for a building permit or commenced significant site work.
3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) If application was referred to engineering, then engineering sign-off required prior to signature of
Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
b) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey,floor
plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site
improvements,
c) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and
Codes personnel;
d) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work;
e) Subsequent issuance of further permits,including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
f) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy;
g) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible.
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Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 15th day of March 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker, Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan,Mr. LaSarso,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
MR. TRAVER-You're all set.
MRS. SMITH-Okay. Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-The next section of our agenda is Old Business, and the only item under Old Business is
Hacker Boat Company,Site Plan 64-2021.
OLD BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN NO. 64-2021 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. HACKER BOAT COMPANY, INC. AGENT(S):
STAFFORD,CARR&z MC NALLY,P.C. OWNER(S): ROBERT PERKINS,JR. ZONING: CLI.
LOCATION: 315 CORINTH ROAD. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE A PORTION OF THE
EXISTING SITE FOR OUTSIDE BOAT STORAGE FOR 100 BOATS. BOATS WILL BE SHRINK
WRAPPED BEFORE STORING ONSITE. THE EXISTING 43,343 SQ. FT. BUILDING AND 9,814
SQ. FT. BUILDING ARE TO REMAIN AND ARE CURRENTLY IN USE FOR BOAT
MANUFACTURE. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040,179-9-020,SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR
NEW USE OF BOAT STORAGE IN A CLI ZONE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD
REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SP 20=2012, P-RZ 1-2021. WARREN CO.
REFERRAL: MARCH 2O22. LOT SIZE: 6.39 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 308.16-2-4.1. SECTION:
179-3-040,179-9-020.
NATHAN HALL&GEORGE BABCOCK,REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-So I'll explain some of the details behind this. So if this Board remembers when we went
through the Petition for Zone Change,we gave a recommendation to the Town Board about it couldn't be
the primary use. So it went through a little bit of discussion between Staff and the Town Board and you
folks and finally came up with a 300/o. They explained this information in the narrative, and the applicant
is now down to 100 boats of storage based on the 300/o.
MR. TRAVER-It was originally 200,right,now it's down to 100.
MRS. MOORE-Now it's down to 100, but they've identified what's considered 300/o. So it's not their
primary use.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Very good. Thank you. Good evening. Welcome back.
MR. HALL-Good evening. Thank you. Nathan Hall from Stafford, Carr & McNally. I'm here with
George Babcock from Hacker Boat Company. It's good to be with the Board again. It's been along process.
We've been bouncing from Board to Board here,but just to piggyback on what Laura said, we appreciate
the Board's recommendation that was made to the Town Board as far as not having this be a primary use.
It's certainly not what George envisions as his primary use for this site. There's an ongoing manufacturing
business. He has no future plans for this site,but we may see you again,but for now we're here tonight
looking to have the back portion of the site being used for storage of up to 100 boats. I think in the Staff
Notes it was made clear that this would be not something that's advertised to the general public. We're
not envisioning any changes to the signage. This would primarily be for existing boat customers. The
boats are shrink wrapped off site and delivered and they would be stored at the backs site off sufficiently
from Corinth Road,Carey Road so that I don't think it's even envisioned that it would be observable from
the street. My client had room,by my calculations, for 200 boats,but he's voluntarily limited that down
to 100. They're not trying to create a boat storage wholesale boats in there. It's just a service that they
can offer existing customers.
MR. TRAVER-Right.
MR.HALL-To pull boats out of the water in the winter season.
MR. TRAVER-And we understand that we don't need to be concerned about any maintenance or
chemicals because these are going to be, as you say,they're going to be shrink wrapped prior to delivery to
this location and they will be removed to summer use,presumably. So they're simply going to be there,in
storage,shrink wrapped and largely invisible to the public.
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MR. HALL-That's correct, yes. That was a question, I think, in the Long Form SEQR that we went
through and we confirmed that. There's not going to be any oil or other fluids or any risk of contamination
there whatsoever.
MR. TRAVER-You indicated that signage was not going to change. So you're not going to mention boat
storage on the signage. What about landscaping? Are you going to be proposing any changes? You
indicated that this area is generally not going to be visible. Do you anticipate doing any kind of
landscaping?
MR. BABCOCK-I think we're going to be back before you because our intention is to build a showroom
type building in front of the existing storage building,up where the boats are parked right now. You'll see
the tree line. In that area we're going to propose that we build probably a 10,000 square foot showroom,
similar butler type building but with glass, probably, and our basic design so far maybe halfway around
and then we would landscape it. It would be part of that plan.
MR. TRAVER-I see.
MR. BABCOCK-Most of the trees, it's deceiving because there's only two trees standing and actually
they're basically dead. So they're going to be cut down anyhow. There's only two left,and I think at the
end of the day you will not have any boat storage there. We'll have that building for a showroom for our
new boats and pre-owned boats. So the amount of boat storage outside would be limited to just behind
the building.
MR. TRAVER-Do you have any general idea,in terms of a timeframe,for when that application might be
coming our way?
MR.BABCOCK-Probably in the next 60 days.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. BABCOCK-We're using Rozell to do a lot of our work. They're doing work at our marina now and
we're going to be getting with them when I get back from Florida in April and we've designed out what
we want. We'll just have to put it into a format that we can architecturally present it. That is our plan
anyhow.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Very good.
MR. HALL-I mean the 100 boats that we're proposing, I believe there's one in 100,that particular maps I
think is one of the earlier iterations that showed 200 on it. The top left hand corner is not going to be boat
storage. And certainly George's future plans that he mentioned is another reason that we went through
this whole process. Because boat sales, service and storage is all the use that is added to this zone. This
wasn't just about storing 100 boats in the back of the lot.
MR. DEEB-To tie in with that,the Board may request additional plantings in reference to the location of
the boats being stored in the back.
MR.BABCOCK-Yes,we would work from the back out anyway.
MR. DEEB-All right. I don't know if we're talking about plantings on the eastern side.
MR.BABCOCK-That's deceiving also because the tree line starts at the edge of Carey Road. It goes all the
way around the property. I mean there's heavy trees and foliage all the way along the Carey Road side,
and bending around the back of our property. The new building they built there did thin out a lot of that
site,but the Carey Roadside is very thick with trees. Especially in the summer,you can't seethe building
from Carey Road really,not that boats are stored there in the summer.
MR. TRAVER-And they're going to be proposing a lot more landscaping when they come back.
MR. DEEB-Yes,to tie in with your new plans anyway. So it would probably be better to wait.
MR.BABCOCK-We didn't do the parking lot over either because we knew this was going to happen. So
we cleaned it up.
MR. MAGOWAN-It's pretty dense there.
MR. DEEB-It's thick.
MR.BABCOCK-Yes.
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MR. MAGOWAN-Like he said, it's up too. I'd make sure you get those dead ones down there because
you don't want one falling on a beautiful Hacker.
MR.BABCOCK-We keep everything inside. Thank you for the thought. Actually we scheduled a guy to
come and he hasn't gotten there. He said he will be there next week.
MR. TRAVER-There is a public hearing on this application,but since we don't have any public,I guess I'll
just ask,do we have any written comments?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So we'll open and close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-Any other questions, comments from members of the Board? I guess we're ready for a
motion.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#64-2021 HACKER BOAT COMPANY,INC.
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board:Applicant proposes to use a portion of
the existing site for outside boat storage for 100 boats.Boats will be shrink wrapped before storing onsite.
The existing 43,343 sq.ft.building and 9,S14 sq.ft.building are to remain and are currently in use for boat
manufacture. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,179-9-020, site plan review for new use of boat storage in a
CLI zone shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning
Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren
County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 3/15/2022 and continued the
public hearing to 3/15/2022,when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments
made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 3/15/2022;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 64-2021 HACKER BOAT COMPANY, INC.; Introduced
by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1) Waivers requested granted:g.site lighting,h.signage,j.stormwater,k.topography,1.landscaping,
n traffic, o. commercial alterations/ construction details, p floor plans, q. soil logs, r.
construction/demolition disposal s. snow removal determine to be reasonable to request a waiver
for these items as the intent is to use the site as is with boat storage added in specific areas of the
property.
2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for
requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired if you have not
yet applied for a building permit or commenced significant site work.
3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall
be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff,
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the Wastewater
Department for its review, approval,permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not
be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of
Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor
plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site
improvements;-
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f) If required,the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES
General Permit from Construction Activity"prior to the start of any site work.
b. The project NOT(Notice of Termination)upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff:
i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water
Pollution Prevention Plan)when such a plan was prepared and approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General
Permit,or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project if required.
g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and
Codes personnel;
h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work;
i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans.
Motion seconded by Jackson LaSarso. Duly adopted this 15`h day of March 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan,Mr. LaSarso, Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
MR. TRAVER-You are all set.
MR.BABCOCK-Thankyou,folks.
MR.TRAVER-Is there any other business before the Board this evening? If there's not,then we'll entertain
a motion to adjourn.
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF MARCH 15Tx
2022,Introduced by Brad Magowan who moved for its adoption,seconded by David Deeb:
Duly adopted this 15`h day of March,2022,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker, Mr. Molloy,Mr. Magowan,Mr. LaSarso,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr.Valentine
MR. TRAVER-We stand adjourned. Thank you,everybody. See you next week.
On motion meeting was adjourned.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Stephen Traver,Chairman
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