02-24-2015 (Queensbury Planning Board 02/24/2015)
QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
FEBRUARY 24, 2015
INDEX
Site Plan No. 75-2014 McDonald's USA, LLC 1.
Tax Map No. 302.6-1-48, 49
Site Plan No. 12-2015 Just Beverages 2.
SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS Tax Map No. 294.-1-1
SET SPECIAL MEETING DATE
APA PROJECT REFERRAL National Grid Pole Replacement 4.
Site Plan No. 72-2014 Bill Oehler 5.
Tax Map No. 239.20-1-19
Site Plan No. 11-2015 Michael Lia, The LIA Auto Group 7.
FWW 1-2015 Tax Map No. 303.16-1-1.1
Subdivision No. 2-2015 Warren County 12.
PRELIMINARY/FINAL STAGE Tax Map No. 288.-1-51, 49
Site Plan No. 10-2015 J.H. Land Development, LLC 15.
Tax Map No. 278.-1-14, 18
Subdivision No. 3-2015 Joseph Gross 18.
SKETCH PLAN REVIEW Tax Map No. 307.-1-22
THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND
STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES
(IF ANY) AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES.
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QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 24, 2015
7:00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT
CHRIS HUNSINGER, CHAIRMAN
PAUL SCHONEWOLF, SECRETARY
DAVID DEEB
GEORGE FERONE
STEPHEN TRAVER
JAIME WHITE, ALTERNATE
MEMBERS ABSENT
BRAD MAGOWAN
LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE
STENOGRAPHER-SUE HEMINGWAY
MR. HUNSINGER-I'd like to welcome everyone to the Town of Queensbury Planning Board on
Tuesday, February 24, 2015. For members of the audience, welcome. There are copies of
the agenda on the back table. There will also be several public hearings this evening. There's
a handout for public hearing procedures. You might want to familiarize yourself with that as
well. We have several Administrative Items on the agenda.
ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM:
SP 75-2014 MC DONALD'S-FOR FURTHER TABLING CONSIDERATION
MR. HUNSINGER-Any additional information than what was in our package, Laura?
MRS. MOORE-The only information is in your packet and you can note that the Zoning Board
asked t hem to submit information by March 4th so they could be on the agenda. So if the
Planning Board could do the same.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-What's the tabling date?
MR. HUNSINGER-March 24tH
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Still?
MRS. MOORE-Correct.
RESOLUTION TABLING SP # 75-2014 MC DONALD'S
The Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals on 12-16-2014;
On 12-17-2014 the Zoning Board of Appeals tabled the application to 2-18-2015;
Chris Boyea of Bohler Engineering sent an e-mail dated 1-30-15 requesting to be tabled to a
future date and that they have nothing further to submit at this time;
The Zoning Board of Appeals further tabled the application to 3-18-2015 with a submission
deadline of March 4, 2015 for revised information;
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 75-2014 MC DONALD'S, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf
who moved for its adoption, seconded by Stephen Traver:
Tabled to March 24th. Information to be submitted by March 4tH
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
MRS. MOORE-So you're going to ask them to submit information by March 4th, as the ZBA has
asked for?
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MR. SCHONEWOLF-Well, yes, you have to if you're going to do it on the 24tH
MRS. MOORE-Okay.
MR. TRAVER-Yes, and note that the draft resolution shows the 18th instead of the 24th. No, I'm
sorry, that's the ZBA.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-That's the ZBA, yes.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. We're all set.
AYES: Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Traver, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-Still under Administrative Items.
SP 12-2015 JUST BEVERAGES - PLANNING BOARD REQUEST FOR LEAD AGENCY FOR
PURPOSES OF SEAR REVIEW& SCHEDULE SPECIAL MEETING
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura? We talked about this a little bit last week.
MRS. MOORE-We did. We talked about it and I know Tom Nace is here as well, if you have
additional questions, but the idea here is to start the SEAR clock, as well as to schedule the
Special Meeting, due to a response at their non-public hearing meeting that they held, where
they had a lot of community input.
MR. HUNSINGER-1 think the Board was pretty comfortable in scheduling a Special Meeting.
Did you have a date or dates for us to consider?
MRS. MOORE-Yes. I have, the date on here is scheduled to Tuesday, March 10tH
MR. TRAVER-And that would be at 7 p.m.?
MRS. MOORE-Correct.
MR. HUNSINGER-That's right. You won't be here in March anyway.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Right.
MR. HUNSINGER-Are you going to be here that night?
MR. DEEB-I'm not sure. I can find out, but I'm not sure. It has to be on a Tuesday?
MRS. MOORE-Right now the way it works on the schedule, having this room available, that was
one of the dates it was available.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. Paul won't be here for all of March, though. Right? Were there other
dates in March that the room is available?
MRS. MOORE-1 think maybe that Thursday.
MR. HUNSINGER-Thursday the 12th. Does that work for you, Dave?
MR. DEEB-Leave it Tuesday. I'll take care of it.
MR. HUNSINGER-You sure?
MR. DEEB-Yes.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Who's going to do the meeting? The City's, their engineer's going to do
the meeting.
MR. HUNSINGER-Right.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-So they don't need us.
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MR. HUNSINGER-Well, it's Site Plan Review.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Okay.
MR. HUNSINGER-It's on Town property.
MR. TRAVER-We've got to take public comment.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-You're right. So we're going to go with the date of what?
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, I was going to say, there's actually two draft resolutions. The first one
is for us to Seek Lead Agency Status. If anyone would like to comment or move that.
RESOLUTION SEEKING LEAD AGENCY STATUS RE SP # 12-2015 JUST BEVERAGES
The applicant proposes to install, operate and maintain a City-owned well and transport water
from the well site to the company's water bottling facility in the City;
The Town is considering amending the Town Zoning Code to define "Water Extraction" and
provide for and regulate such land use within the Town of Queensbury;
WHEREAS, the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury has determined to begin an
environmental review process under the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA);
WHEREAS, the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury has identified the project to be one
"Action" in a Coordinated review for purposes of SEAR review pursuant to 6 NYCRR 617;
WHEREAS, the Planning Board is the agency most directly responsible for approving the action
because of its responsibility for approving the land uses for the property;
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby
indicates its desire to be lead agency for SEQRA review of this action and authorizes and
directs the Zoning Administrator to notify any other potentially involved agencies of such intent.
That Part I of the SEQRA form will be sent to the following agencies: City of Glens Falls Water
& Sewer; Town of Queensbury Town Board, NYS DEC, NYS DOH, Adirondack Park Agency,
Warren Co. Planning Department;
MOTION TO SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS IN CONNECTION WITH PROPOSED ZONING
AMENDMENT AND SITE PLAN NO. 12-2015 JUST BEVERAGES, Introduced by Paul
Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by David Deeb:
In accordance with the draft resolution prepared by Staff.
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Traver, Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-And did you want to?
RESOLUTION SCHEDULING SPECIAL MEETING FOR SP # 12-2015 JUST BEVERAGES
The Planning Board is in receipt of a letter dated 2-13-2015 from the applicant's agent -Michael
S. Borgos, Esq. requesting a special meeting.
MOTION TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR SITE PLAN NO. 12-2015 JUST
BEVERAGES ON MARCH 10, 2015, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its
adoption, seconded by Stephen Traver:
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Traver, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
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ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-And then finally, under Administrative Items, we have an APA project for
utility pole replacement.
APA PROJECT REFERRAL-POLE REPLACEMENT AND INSTALLATION ALONG ROUTE 9L
BY NATIONAL GRID
MR. HUNSINGER-Is there any other new information that we need to consider, Laura?
MRS. MOORE-There's no new information, and the project, there's no further review necessary
by this Board or any agency or department or anything like that by the Town of Queensbury.
This is further to the APA and their review process. You can indicate in your resolution that
there's no further review necessary at the local.
MR. HUNSINGER-They're still looking for comment, though. Right?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-There never was one. We never used to approve moving poles.
MRS. MOORE-Well, this is an opportunity, they're giving you the opportunity to make comment
If you have no comment.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-It won't do any good. They put them where they want to.
MRS. MOORE-They are public utilities.
MR. FERONE-The one thing I could think of, and you don't have an answer to the question, is,
when they replace these poles, are they all going to be on one side of the road?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Why do they? It's the way it's designed, that's all. Where's the usage
going to be? The usage is going to be on the left side on this one.
MS. WHITE-That's what it looks like when you look at it, so it's not crossing the road.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Right.
MS. WHITE-The other question I had is, is there a time limit for the other parties to remove their
equipment so they can take down the old poles?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Yes, but that's not our, that's, rules.
MS. WHITE-1 was just curious because sometimes that can take a long time.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Well, you've got to move all utilities that are on the pole.
MS. WHITE-Right. That was my question.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, that was her question.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Well, what happens is power has the lead. So power can put it up and
the other guys can leave theirs up.
MS. WHITE-But then that's what I'm asking. Can we ask if there's any kind of time limit to make
sure that those old poles come down? The other equipment has to get moved.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-I can tell you, we do it, too, in our company. We have no say.
MS. WHITE-Just curious.
MRS. MOORE-So what I can do in the information sent to the APA is, the Board had questions,
not necessarily concerns or comments, when are the other utilities required to remove their
poles, so then it's all connected on one pole.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-You'll see, as you drive through Town, you'll see half poles. Power takes
theirs off and cuts it off. Phone takes theirs and cuts it off. Cable comes by in three years and
replaces it, or something like that.
MR. HUNSINGER-Well, I mean, it certainly would be nice to limit the amount of time that
there's. So we do have a draft resolution where we can include that language.
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MR. SCHONEWOLF-It just says motion to provide the following comment.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-I don't have any comment. You guys can comment if you want.
RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE COMMENT FOR APA PROJECT - POLE REPLACEMENT &
INSTALLATION ALONG ROUTE 9L BY NATIONAL GRID
The APA has requested Planning Board comments for a proposed project by National Grid that
involves the replacement of 41 utility poles and installation of 25 new poles along Route 9L. The
project involves wetlands that will be mitigated in the area of Stevenson Road.
The Town has an APA approved Land Use plan where the project as proposed is considered a
Class A regional project. The APA's review of the project includes receiving comments from the
local board about the project.
The Planning Board has been provided with the project summary and drawing for review.
MOTION TO PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING COMMENT FOR APA PROJECT NUMBER 2014-
166 NATIONAL GRID, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by
David Deeb:
The Planning Board would like to ask when they intend to delete the old poles.
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
MR. TRAVER-1 would ask to amend the resolution to include a comment from us querying the
various entities when they intend to delete the old poles.
MS. WHITE-Thank you.
MR. HUNSINGER-We have an amendment. Is there any discussion? Would anyone like to
second the amended resolution?
MR. DEEB-Second.
AYES: Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Traver, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: Mr. Schonewolf
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-We have two tabled items before us this evening.
TABLED ITEM:
SITE PLAN NO. 72-2014 SEAR TYPE II BILL OEHLER OWNER(S) GREGORY FRANCIS,
SR. ZONING WR LOCATION 2930 STATE ROUTE 9L APPLICANT HAS REVISED
PLANS FOR REMOVAL AND TO RE-BUILD A NEW 684 SQ. FT. ATTACHED PORCH AND
DECK AREA WITH STAIRS. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-6-050 OF THE ZONING
ORDINANCE HARD SURFACING WITHIN 50 FEET OF TH SHORELINE SHALL BE SUBJECT
TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE BP 14400; BP
02-647 WARREN CO. REFERRAL DECEMBER 2014 APA, CEA, OTHER L G PARK CEA,
APA & NWI WETLANDS LOT SIZE 0.92 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 239.20-1-19 SECTION
179-6-050
BILL OEHLER, PRESENT
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-This applicant has revised the deck project to the rear of the property along the
shoreline. It is now only a 684 square foot deck that is to be removed and replaced.
Previously it was 1,238, and it included an enclosed porch to the rear, and again, the anchoring
system is that same as was proposed before, to anchor it to the bedrock there, and we talked
about plantings and the applicant has indicated that they'll be planting iris or flocks and
something that has a strong root base.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Good evening.
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MR. OEHLER-Good evening. I'm Bill Oehler. I'm here for Greg Francis, the project we spoke
about before. I spoke to the owner, he's decided that we would remove the porch roof, seeing
that there was an issue with stormwater there. We also made the middle deck smaller by four
foot by twelve foot, so that's much smaller, and the deck that's closest to the water is not being
replaced. There's nothing going to be done with it. It's going to just stay the way it is.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Is there anything else you wanted to add?
MR. OEHLER-We will be planting some, like Laura said, something that's going to hold back
vegetation. We really shouldn't have any stormwater problems because we're not replacing,
we're not doing anything different than what's there, so, and we've never had an issue with
anything of stormwater there as it is, but we are going to put those in there, just to make sure
that, you know, if there ever was any water coming down the backside of that house, there
would be something to hold it back.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Questions, comments from the Board? We were pretty much okay
with this when we recommended it to the Zoning Board. So, you know, what you've done is
minimize the impact.
MR. OEHLER-Greatly, we've greatly minimized the impact. I mean, by taking the roof system
off that porch, and making that deck, the middle deck much smaller, it has minimized it greatly.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. No questions or comments from the Board?
MR. TRAVER-No.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. We do have a public hearing scheduled this evening. Is there
anyone in the audience who wishes to address the Board?
PUBLIC HEARING OPEN
MR. HUNSINGER-1 don't see any hands. Laura, any comments, written comments?
MRS. MOORE-No written comments.
MR. HUNSINGER-We will open the public hearing and we will close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. HUNSINGER-And let the record show no comments were received. This is a Type 11
SEAR so no SEAR review is required, and unless there's anything else from the Board, a
motion would be in order.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP # 72-2014 BILL OEHLER
An application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for Site Plan approval:
Applicant has revised plans for removal and to re-build a new 684 sq. ft. attached porch and
deck area with stairs. Pursuant to Chapter 179-6-050 of the Zoning Ordinance hard surfacing
within 50 feet of the shoreline shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation in December 2014 -No County
Impact;
SEAR Type 11 - no further review required;
The Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals on 12-18-2014;
the ZBA approved the variance requests on 2-18-2015;
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 12-18-2014 and
continued the public hearing to 2-24-2015 when it was closed;
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 2-24-2015;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 179-9-080 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval as
further discussed below
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MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 72-2014 BILL OEHLER FOR GREGORY FRANCIS,
Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by David Deeb:
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following:
1) Waivers granted: g-lighting, k-contours, m-land use districts, n-traffic, o-
construction/alteration, p-floor plans, and s-snow removal
2) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel.
3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015 by the following vote:
MRS. MOORE-You should note whether you're granting or denying the waivers.
MR. HUNSINGER-1 was going to say the same thing. Thank you.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-I can't do both in the same motion?
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, it's right here, waivers granted.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Yes, I can do that, yes. We granted the waivers.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR. TRAVER-I'll second the motion.
AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Traver, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-You're all set. Good luck.
MR.OEHLER-Thank you, folks.
MR. HUNSINGER-Thank you. The next item under Tabled Items is Site Plan 11-2015.
SITE PLAN NO. 11-2015 FRESHWATER WETLANDS 1-2015 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED
MICHAEL LIA, THE LIA AUTO GROUP AGENT(S) JOSHUA O'CONNOR, INGALLS &
ASSOCIATES, LLP OWNER(S) WILLIAM LIA, SR. ZONING Cl LOCATION 373 DIX
AVENUE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 17,785 SQ. FT. NEW AUTO
DEALERSHIP WITH ASSOCIATED SITE WORK. SITE PLAN/FRESHWATER WETLANDS:
PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AUTO SALES &
SERVICE AND HARD SURFACING WITHIN 50 FEET OF WETLAND AND FRESHWATER
WETLAND FOR WORK WITHIN 100 FEET OF WETLAND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO
PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SP 14-04, SB 2-04,
SB 23-89 WARREN CO. REFERRAL FEBRUARY 2015 APA, CEA, OTHER NWI
WETLANDS LOT SIZE 13.35 +/-ACRES TAX MAP NO. 303.16-1-11 SECTION 179-3-040
JOSHUA O'CONNOR, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-The applicant has provided us an updated size of the building and the updated
information for the Board so you can see the color scheme on the front of the building.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Good evening.
MR. O'CONNOR-Good evening, Mr. Hunsinger. As we discussed last week, I made the final
revisions to the site plan, in light of the modification in the square footage of the footprint.
Taking a closer look at it, just to give you an overview of what it was, like I said, the node on the
side of the building increased by 10 feet in width, actually, and that expansion went to the east
and the west. It decreased the setback on the side from 96 to 85 feet, pardon me, that's on the
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east side, and the building is three feet closer on the west side than it was previously. The
increase in square footage is less than 1,000 square feet. It's now 18,622, versus what we had
on the plan last week, 17,785. Aside from that, I revised the stormwater calculations and
reports. That's all ready to go back to Chazen. Our comments are completed as far as that
goes. I don't foresee any problems with that. Grading plans and other requisite plans have
been updated. So we should be all set with the plans as they stand today.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Questions, comments from the Board?
MR. DEEB-Can we just re-visit the traffic pattern solution? I'm really concerned about the traffic
at that corner.
MR. O'CONNOR-Okay.
MR. DEEB-And maybe see if we can come up with something that, tell me what, I see you have
the one ingress and egress at one spot, right across from McDonald's. Correct?
MR. O'CONNOR-Yes, and which also, McDonald's shares its entrance with the adjacent plaza
also, which is the beverage center.
MR. DEEB-So on egress, you can turn right or left?
MR. O'CONNOR-Yes.
MR. DEEB-But traffic really backs up quite a bit from that light at all times during the day, and
I'm thinking, how are they going to get out?
MR. O'CONNOR-That may, at times, prove difficult or more difficult for somebody. We're all
confronted with that dilemma. I don't think that, I guess our primary concern is whether or not
we're increasing, in a significant way, we're increasing the peak hour traffic from an analysis
standpoint. As far as making it simpler, the larger issue is, you know, you're, the options
available to you for decreasing the time of service at that intersection, which would relieve the
congestion problem, are, you know, they're significant projects, and they're not in the scope of,
you know, you'd need a roundabout or an additional slip lane to the right. There are these, you
know, there are significant projects you could undertake to relieve that issue. I don't, unless it
was signalized, I don't see how there's anything in the scope of this type of development that
would ease a right turn or a left turn out of that. Generally speaking a left turn should be more
simple, simply because you have the light controlling from the intersection of Dix Ave. and 254
to the west. So you'll see breaks in traffic from that side. If there was a light controlling on the
other side of Dix Ave., that would, you know, the other side of the intersection, that could be
beneficial as well, but aside from that, I don't really have an answer for how that would be more,
how that could be simplified.
MR. DEEB-Did you discuss moving the entrance to the eastern end of the lot?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Yes, we talked about that, because that's right across from that other
driveway.
MR. DEEB-Which one?
MR. TRAVER-Yes, I think that would add to the.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-That would just make the problem worse.
MR. TRAVER-I'm looking in your application narrative here, and you speak about, your analysis
says that you envision a total of 48 trips generated with 22 of those entering and 26 exiting, and
I'm quoting here, it's anticipated that the additional traffic would be a small percentage of the
peak hour traffic.
MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. That's peak hour trip generation.
MR. TRAVER-Right.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Which is not enough to generate a traffic light, or a roundabout. Not even
close.
MR. O'CONNOR-No. You may have a need there, but the increase that we're proposing
doesn't generate that. There may, honestly I can't disagree that there is a congestion problem
in that intersection, and, you know, at this point, the LIA's are aware of it and they're proceeding
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at their risk. I don't see it causing a problem with, you know, there isn't a traffic accident issue
there and the cars aren't moving fast enough where they'd be significant an increased risk of
collision or that sort of thing. It may be frustrating for the LIA's. It may motivate them to do
something or attempt to do something about it in the future, but as it stands, that's the way it is,
and they're willing to take that risk.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Well, it's not their risk.
MR. O'CONNOR-As far as the impact on.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Business.
MR. O'CONNOR-Right, their venture.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Most of the accidents are at the corner, coming up that road.
MR. DEEB-We seem to be at an impasse there, but what about your deliveries with the big
tractor trailers bringing in inventory? Are they going to come in at a specific time of day, or are
they, would they do it at night?
MR. O'CONNOR-Generally speaking, they're going to be evening deliveries. They want off
hour deliveries.
MR. DEEB-That's what I was wondering.
MR. O'CONNOR-Yes, there's a liability issue there, and they're on loading, offloading trucks and
vehicles, you know, during business hours. They don't want that.
MR. DEEB-Well, yes, and I think that's a good idea. I notice when deliveries are made on
Quaker Road to some of those franchises, those tractor trailers park on Quaker Road to on load
and offload, which is very dangerous, and I know you're not doing that here. You've made
provisions where they'd come in, go around and come out.
MR. O'CONNOR-We've made provisions for that.
MR. DEEB-As long as they could do it at off hours where it wouldn't impact, because getting out,
those big trucks trying to get out, it could be difficult, but if traffic is less.
MR. O'CONNOR-Right. Part of the reason, and you ask about, you know, moving the entrance
to the other side of the site. It was discussed. Frankly, I didn't have a preference, per se, aside
from, it makes more sense to align those entrances. But that said, at the end the LIA's made
the call, and their reason is they anticipate future development to the east of the site, and if they
put their entrance on the east of the site, we're looking at a conflict in the future. They don't
expect a significant conflict with the Dunkin Donuts, but that's a really large site that's also
zoned commercial, currently used residential and agriculture there, and they anticipate that
turning into a larger problem for them in the future than what they would deal with with the
Dunkin Donuts, and that was really what framed their decision to go to that side.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR. FERONE-Have you spent any time at the site? I haven't spent any extensive time, but
have you ever observed like how people are getting in and out of the Dunkin Donuts parking lot
that's already there?
MR. O'CONNOR-I've been there, again, I've done work, I'm relatively recently employed by
Ingalls. I worked for Bergman Associates for five years. I worked extensively on the Wal-Mart
project that's right in the backyard of this project. I did the stormwater, the wetland mitigation
monitoring wells project there. I was on that site weekly to bi-weekly for three and a half years.
So I've spent some time there, and, yes, there is a traffic issue. It tends to be at lunch. It tends
to be first thing in the morning, and it tends to be in the evening, and you know that's your peak
hour generators. That's when it happens. Aside from that, you know the last time I was there
we had a tractor trailer, a low boy parked on the side of the road. We delivered a piece of heavy
equipment to the site. We dug eight test pits and did perc tests, loaded the equipment back on
and left without any issue. So, you know, I think for the, you know, nine of the ten hours that the
site's going to be in operation, and of course today there aren't going to be any perceptible traffic
problems, but, yes, a couple of hours of the day there potentially are, you know, and seasonally,
too.
MR. FERONE-Is there going to be a stop sign on there?
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MR. O'CONNOR-Generally speaking there's, you know, we don't, for a commercial business,
we don't usually put one there, but it certainly can happen.
MR. FERONE-1 don't know if it would be helpful or not.
MR. O'CONNOR-Well, we can put a stop sign. Actually, did I show one? I don't recall if I did.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-It would be good for business if they just run out on the road, then you can
sell another car.
MR. DEEB-Yes.
MR. TRAVER-Unless they're taking a test drive.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Yes, unless they're taking a test drive.
MR. O'CONNOR-Generally for commercial development I wouldn't put one, unless we're
dedicating it, part of the intersection, part of the roadway or utilities in the intersection. Usually
not subject to those requirements. We can do that. I don't have an issue. DOT would require
that we put a stop bar and sign if there was a DOT right of way.
MR. HUNSINGER-Right. Any other questions, comments from the Board? I appreciated the
color scheme.
MR. O'CONNOR-And that's what is going to happen. It is as accurate as my printer will print,
anyway, but I mean you specify the actual colors.
MR. O'CONNOR-Yes, the swatch number.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-You're working with aluminum. You're limited.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other questions, comments? Any Staff concerns?
MRS. MOORE-No, just noting in your resolution to make sure you change the square footage to
18,622.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Where is that?
MRS. MOORE-On the resolution when you get to it.
MR. O'CONNOR-And just to draw your attention to one other thing, in the interest of full
disclosure, we did add an oil/water separator, which is required for the trench drains in their
maintenance area, floor drains. So I added an oil/water separator and a holding tank. They
don't tie into any other utilities. They're just, and we made them as large as we could, bearing
in mind the typical size of a pumping truck. So they're two 2,000 gallon tanks. So hopefully
they only have to pump once or twice a year.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other comments, concerns? We also have a public hearing scheduled
on this project. Is there anyone in the audience that wishes to address the Board?
PUBLIC HEARING OPEN
MR. HUNSINGER-1 see no takers. Any written comments?
MRS. MOORE-No written comments.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Let the record show no comments were received. We'll close the
public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. HUNSINGER-This is an Unlisted action. Were there any environmental concerns that
anyone identified that we have not discussed?
MR. TRAVER-No, I don't think so.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Would anyone like to make a SEAR motion?
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RESOLUTION APPROVING SEAR FOR SP # 11-2015 FWW 1-2015 MICHAEL LIA
The applicant proposes Applicant proposes to construct an 18,622 sq. ft. new auto dealership
with associated site work. Site Plan/Freshwater Wetlands: Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of
the Zoning Ordinance Auto Sales & Service and Hard surfacing within 50 feet of wetland and
Freshwater Wetland for work within 100 feet of wetland shall be subject to Planning Board
review and approval.
The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is
subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act;
The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental
Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the
regulations of the Town of Queensbury;
No Federal or other agencies are involved;
Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant;
Part 2 of the Short EAF has been reviewed by the Planning Board;
Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of
Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse
impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental statement need not be prepared.
Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued.
MOTION TO APPROVE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN 11-2015 AND
FRESHWATER WETLANDS 1-2015 MICHAEL LIA-LIA AUTO GROUP, Introduced by Paul
Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by Stephen Traver:
Correcting the resolution by Staff, it's an 18,622 square foot dealership.
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Traver, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-Are there any other questions or comments that the Board wanted to
provide? If not, are you ready for a motion for approval?
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP # 11-2015 FWW 1-2015 MICHAEL LIA AUTO GROUP
An application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for Site Plan approval for
construction of an 18,622 sq. ft. new auto dealership with associated site work. Site
Plan/Freshwater Wetlands: Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance Auto Sales
& Service and Hard surfacing within 50 feet of wetland and Freshwater Wetland for work within
100 feet of wetland shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 2-17-2015 and
continued the public hearing to 2-24-2015 when it was closed;
The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant to
the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative
Declaration - Determination of Non-Significance;
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 2-17-2015;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 179-9-080 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval
approved as further discussed below
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MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 11-2015 & FRESHWATER WETLANDS 1-2015
MICHAEL LIA - THE LIA AUTO GROUP, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its
adoption, seconded by Stephen Traver:
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following:
1) Recognizing that the size of the dealership is 18,622 square feet;
2) Waivers request granted: maintain a 15 ft. buffer on the east property line versus a 50 ft.
as the adjoining use currently is an existing house;
3) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing
shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff;
4) Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved
plans;
5) If required, the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a) The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES
General Permit from Construction Activity" prior to the start of any site work.
b) The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project;
6) The applicant must maintain on their project site, for review by staff:
a) The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water
Pollution Prevention Plan) when such a plan was prepared and approved;
b) The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES
General Permit, or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project.
7) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel.
8) As-built plans to certify that the subdivision is developed according to the approved plans
to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy;
9) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Traver, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-You're all set. Good luck.
MR. O'CONNOR-Thank you very much.
MR. HUNSINGER-Thank you. We have two items under Old Business Requiring a Public
Hearing.
OLD BUSINESS REQUIRING A PUBLIC HEARING:
SUBDIVISION NO. 2-2015 PRELIMINARY/FINAL STAGE SEAR TYPE UNLISTED
WARREN COUNTY OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING RR-5A LOCATION
GURNEY LANE APPLICANT PROPOSES SUBDIVISION OF A 39.85 ACRE PARCEL INTO
TWO LOTS OF 8.18 & 31.67 ACRES. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER A-183 OF THE ZONING
ORDINANCE SUBDIVISION OF LAND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW
AND APPROVAL. CROSS REF AV 6-15 APA, CEA, OTHER STREAM OVERLAY LOT
SIZE 39.85 +/-ACRES TAX MAP NO. 288.-l-51, 49 SECTION CHAPTER A-183
MARTIN AUFFREDOU, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. HUNSINGER-1 just want the record to show that I am a full time employee of Warren
County, and as such I will be abstaining from any discussion or vote on this project, and I will
turn the floor over to our Vice Chairman, Mr. Traver.
MR. TRAVER-Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good evening, gentlemen. Laura?
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MRS. MOORE-So this applicant has requested a subdivision of a 39.85 acre parcel into two
lots, 8.18 and 31.67. The Zoning Board did approve the variance request, and under Planning
Board Review, the applicant has requested waivers from items such as two foot contours,
construction details, landscape plan, clearing plan, etc.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. AUFFREDOU-Good evening.
MR. TRAVER-1 see we did the environmental review, SEAR, and the last time you were here
and we issued a Negative Declaration. You went to the ZBA and got your variance. Do you
have anything to add?
MR. AUFFREDOU-At this point, no. I think we are here to answer any questions that the Board
may have. It's our understanding you have a public hearing this evening on this.
MR. TRAVER-So we're looking at Preliminary and Final stage approval for the subdivision. Do
Board members have any comments or questions on this? I know we looked at it prior to
making our recommendation to the ZBA.
MR. FERONE-1 think we reviewed it pretty thoroughly last week. So I have no questions.
MR. DEEB-Is there any way we could bring the airport issue in on this or no? And see what we
can do.
MR. AUFFREDOU-We're hoping the answer to that is no.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Well, not hearing any, well, let's see, we have a public hearing that is
still open, I believe. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to comment on this
application?
PUBLIC HEARING OPEN
MR. TRAVER-All right. Hearing none, do we close the public hearing before Preliminary or
before Final, or does it matter?
MRS. MOORE-You can close it now.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we will close the public hearing and will consider a resolution on
Preliminary Stage.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SUB #2-2015 PRELIMINARY STAGE WARREN COUNTY
A subdivision application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes subdivision of a 39.85 acre parcel into two lots of 8.18 & 31.67 acres.
Pursuant to Chapter A-183 of the Zoning Ordinance subdivision of land shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter A-183, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
The requirements of the State Environmental Quality Review Act have been considered and the
Planning Board adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration on 2-17-2015;
A public hearing was scheduled and held on 2-17-2015 & left open for 2-24-2015;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in
the file of record;
MOTION TO APPROVE SUBDIVISION NO. 2-2015 PRELIMINARY STAGE WARREN
COUNTY, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by David
Deeb:
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following:
1. Waiver requests: two foot contours, construction details, Landscape plan, clearing plan,
grading & sediment control plan, stormwater management & SWPPP.
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Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Hunsinger
MR. TRAVER-And next we have Final Stage.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SUB #2-2015 FINAL STAGE WARREN COUNTY
A subdivision application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes subdivision of a 39.85 acre parcel into two lots of 8.18 & 31.67 acres.
Pursuant to Chapter A-183 of the Zoning Ordinance subdivision of land shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter A-183, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code.
The requirements of the State Environmental Quality Review Act have been considered and the
Planning Board adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration on 2-17-2015;
The Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals on 2-17-2015; the
Zoning Board of Appeals approved the variance requests on 2-18-2015;
A public hearing was scheduled and held on 2-17-2015 & 2-24-2015;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in
the file of record;
MOTION TO APPROVE SUBDIVISION NO. 2-2015 FINAL STAGE WARREN COUNTY,
Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by George Ferone:
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following:
1. Final approved plans, in compliance with the Subdivision, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator
or Building and Codes personnel.
2. Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Hunsinger
MR. TRAVER-Good luck gentlemen.
MR. AUFFREDOU-Thank you, and our thanks to your Staff as well for all of their excellent
assistance.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-You guys have had a big week.
MRS. MOORE-Does this Board want me to provide information about the next application?
MR. DEEB-Yes.
MS. WHITE-Yes, please.
SITE PLAN NO. 10-2015 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED J.H. LAND DEVELOPMENT, LLC
AGENT(S) NACE ENGINEERING OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING MDR; LC-
10A LOCATION 321 STATE ROUTE 149 APPLICANT PROPOSES AN ADDITIONAL 72
CAMPSITES ON A 42 ACRE PARCEL. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO COMBINE LOTS,
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ETC. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 & 179-10-020 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE
SITE PLAN REVIEW IS REQUIRED FOR ALL SPECIAL USE PERMITS & CAMPGROUND
REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD
REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE AV 7-15, UV 98-92 WARREN CO.
REFERRAL FEBRUARY 2015 APA, CEA, OTHER STREAM OVERLAY LOT SIZE 98.89
ACRES TAX MAP NO. 278.-l-14, 18 SECTION 179-3-040, 179-10-020
TOM NACE, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MRS. MOORE-The application for the RV campsites was approved by the Zoning Board in
reference to the permeability. It was at 89.94 percent and the Code requires 95%. This
application the Board may consider clarification on the site landscaping and the Board may also
consider the validity for the special use permit-permanent, temporary or renewable.
MR. TRAVER-Is the applicant here for J.H. Land Development? Go ahead.
MR. NACE-Sorry, we were waiting for your Chairman.
MR. TRAVER-Well, we are, too, but we only have so much patience.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-And so much time.
MR. TRAVER-I'm sure he'll be right in.
MR. HUNSINGER-Good evening.
MR. NACE-Good evening. Tom Nace of Nace Engineering, Lucas Dobie and Richard Hughes,
owner. We're proposing a 72 site RV campground addition to an existing campground
Ledgeview that has 150 sites. The water and sewer are all on site. Sewer will be a series of
small systems serving several sites with each system. Water will be an extension to the
existing water distribution and supply for the existing campground, and stormwater will be
handled on site. The soils are good, and we'll be collecting stormwater as close to the point
where it falls on the ground as possible, putting into small swales serving each site or
combination of sites, and letting infiltrate into the good sandy soil, and we'll be glad to answer
any questions you have.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Questions, comments from the Board? Nothing?
MS. WHITE-They were pretty much asked last week.
MR. HUNSINGER-The only question I had was on landscaping. On your site plan, you do a
pretty good job of showing where the existing trees are.
MR. NACE-Correct.
MR. HUNSINGER-But there was a comment in here, clearly some of them will be removed. Is
there any plans to replace any trees or to add any new trees?
MR. NACE-John Hughes has done a good job, as you can see in the old part, of replanting and
filling up the buffers and landscaping, and I'm sure he'll try and do the same type of thing with
the new addition. Trying to plan out exact landscaping until you get there and see it, or grade it
off and scrubbed it, I'd kind of like to leave that up to his purview to make the park nice. I don't
know if you have anything to add to that.
RICHARD HUGHES
MR. HUGHES-We typically, once we get all our sites set and stuff, we'll replant. We've got
probably a five acre plot where we've got some good pine saplings that are probably about four
to five foot tall right now that we're planning on transplanting once we get our sites set up. So it
will give us some buffers and, you know, just some nice appearance as you go through. So
we're constantly transplanting new growth from the property into different locations at all times.
MR. HUNSINGER-Are those mostly white pine?
MR. HUGHES-Yes.
MR. HUNSINGER-It's amazing how the white pines have grown up across the street.
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MR. HUGHES-Overnight they showed up. I don't know what happened. They just keep
replenishing.
MR. NACE-1 grew up on a tree farm, and they're the fastest growing of all our evergreens.
MR. HUNSINGER-Anything else? We do have a public hearing scheduled this evening. Is
there anyone in the audience that wishes to address the Board?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR. HUNSINGER-No hands. Any written comments?
MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. So we will open the public hearing. Let the record show no
comments were received. And we will close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. HUNSINGER-This is an Unlisted action. There is a draft SEAR resolution in the package.
Are there any SEAR concerns?
MR. TRAVER-1 don't think so.
MR. HUNSINGER-Are you ready, Mr. Secretary?
RESOLUTION APPROVING SEAR FOR SP # 10-2015 J.H. Land Development, LLC
The applicant proposes an additional 72 campsites on a 42 acre parcel. The applicant proposes
to combine lots, etc. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 & 179-10-020 of the Zoning Ordinance Site
Plan Review is required for all Special Use Permits & Campground requires a Special Use
Permit and shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is
subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act;
The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental
Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the
regulations of the Town of Queensbury;
No Federal or other agencies are involved;
Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant;
Part 2 of the Short EAF has been reviewed by the Planning Board;
Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of
Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse
impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental statement need not be prepared.
Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued.
MOTION TO APPROVE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN NO. 10-2015 J.H.
LAND DEVELOPMENT, LLC, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption,
seconded by Stephen Traver:
As per the draft provided by Staff.
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Traver, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-The only other discussion that we need is the term of validity. I don't know if
anyone wants to jump right in with a comment. It can either be permanent, temporary, or
renewable.
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MR. TRAVER-Well, I think in this case it makes sense to make it permanent.
MS. WHITE-1 agree.
MR. HUNSINGER-1 agree. I mean, consistent with the rest of the uses on their property.
MR. DEEB-Yes, it makes sense.
MS. WHITE-And considering the investment that they're making.
MR. TRAVER-Right.
MR. HUNSINGER-Understanding that if the use is discontinued for six months or more I think a
special use permit does, but that's in the Code. We don't need to specify that. I agree. I felt
the same way that in this case it makes sense to make it permanent.
MR. TRAVER-Sure, that's' actually unusual.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, it is unusual. Any other comments or concerns from the Board? Are
you ready?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Yes.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP # 10-2015 J.H. Land Development, LLC
An application has been made to the Town of Queensbury Planning Board for Site Plan
approval for an additional 72 campsites on a 42 acre parcel. The applicant proposes to combine
lots, etc. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 & 179-10-020 of the Zoning Ordinance Site Plan
Review is required for all Special Use Permits & Campground requires a Special Use Permit
and shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation; received a recommendation of
No County Impact dated 2-11-2015;
As required by the Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance, per Section 179-9-070 J 2 b. the
Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals on 2-17-2015; the
Zoning Board of Appeals approved the variance requests on 2-18-2015;
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site Plan application on 2-24-2015 and
continued the public hearing to 2-24-2015 when it was closed;
The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant to
the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative
Declaration - Determination of Non-Significance;
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 2-24-2015;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 179-9-080 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval
approved as further discussed below
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 10-2015 J.H. LAND DEVELOPMENT, LLC,
Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by Stephen Traver:
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following:
1) Term of Validity: Permanent;
2) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall
be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff;
3) Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved
plans;
4) If required, the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a) The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES
General Permit from Construction Activity" prior to the start of any site work.
b) The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project
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5) The applicant must maintain on their project site, for review by staff:
a) The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning Administrator.
These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan)
when such a plan was prepared and approved;
b) The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General
Permit, or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project.
6) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building
and Codes personnel.
7) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Traver, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. NACE-Thank you.
MR. HUNSINGER-You're all set. Good luck. We have one item under New Business this
evening.
NEW BUSINESS:
SUBDIVISION 3-2015 SKETCH PLAN REVIEW SEAR TYPE UNLISTED JOSEPH
GROSS AGENT(S) VAN DUSEN & STEVES, HUTCHINS ENGINEERING OWNER(S) JP
GROSS PROPERTIES, LLC ZONING LC-10A, RR-5A, MDR LOCATION 748 LUZERNE
ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES SUBDIVISION OF A 52.07 ACRE PARCEL INTO 14 LOTS
RANGING IN SIZE FROM 2.0 TO 9.66 ACRES. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER A-183 OF THE
ZONING ORDINANCE SUBDIVISION OF LAND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD
REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE NONE FOUND APA, CEA, OTHER
APA WETLANDS, STREAM OVERLAY LOT SIZE 52.07 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 307.-1-22
SECTION CHAPTER A-183
LUCAS DOBIE, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT; JOE GROSS, PRESENT
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-The applicant is proposing subdivision of a 52 acre lot with 14 lots with lot sizes
ranging from 2.0 to 9.66 acres, and Staff comments, the project does contain areas of steep
slopes, and a possible wetland that would be used to determine the number of lot. There a
potential for variances on this subdivision.
MR. HUNSINGER-Good evening.
MR. DOBIE-Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good evening. For the record, Lucas Dobie with
Hutchins Engineering with the landowner Joe Gross. You may know him. He's done quite a
bit of work over on Silver Circle, redeveloping that neighborhood, and we're branching out a little
bit, if you will, towards West Mountain. Joe picked up a 50 acre parcel on the, just headed up
Luzerne Road, before it starts to get really twisty and steep, and we're mostly in the MDR zone
for two acre zoning. That's where we're concentrating the residential development. We
propose a connector road from the end of Lilac Lane, horseshoeing, doing a half a horseshoe
back out to Luzerne Road near the existing residence which has the driveway that's a little bit
overgrown now and it's not plowed. So it's a little difficult to see it but it's over the lower slope
portion of the site, just below the water tower. We have approximately 24 acres in the MDR
zone for our two acre zoning to the way our rough calculations we're allowed 12 lots in there,
and we meet all the minimum lot size, so no variances are going to be requested there at this
point, and where the property gets steeper up along Luzerne Road, that turns into the 10 acre
zoning and then back to the five acre near Tuthill Road and we're proposing two large rural
forested lots, if you will, with one lot accessing off of Tuthill Road, and one off of Luzerne Road,
and our road length is approximately 1300 feet we'll have for Town water and then onsite sewer
systems, and I'll keep it simple at that and be happy to entertain any questions from the Board.
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MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Questions, comments from the Board? I think the most obvious
comment has already been pointed out by Staff. Depending upon the slopes, you know, that
may reduce the ability to put in as many lots as you propose, but until you get to that calculation,
it's kind of hard to know, if it's going to result in that or not.
MR. DOBIE-Certainly VanDusen and Steves overlaid the USGS topography and as I
understand the plan is to do the field topo in the spring and we'll re-visit our slopes for taking the
20% slopes out of our density per the subdivision code and we'll pack in our numbers and see
where we are. We feel this is a, particularly over the lower portion, a very reasonable layout, to
have 100 feet of road frontage. We're at about 175 per lot, and we feel it's in general
conformance with the neighborhood. Actually the lot sizes are about twice the.
MR. HUNSINGER-1 was going to say, they're actually bigger than what's there. I think the road
layout that you propose makes sense, too.
MR. FERONE-Even though Lot 11 has some frontage on Luzerne Road, you would push the
entrance to be on your new road, right, your, and you wouldn't have it come out on Luzerne
Road?
MR. DOBIE-That's correct.
MR. FERONE-Even Lot 13. 1 drove up there on a snowy day. I couldn't get halfway up the
road, had to turn around, but that's a rough stretch of road to get in and out of.
MR. DOBIE-Yes, I was up there today, and it's a little tricky up on the top end, no doubt about it.
So we're going to certainly look really hard at that one and find a good point of access for our
sight distance and driveway slope, that sort of thing.
JOE GROSS
MR. GROSS-Ideally from the top half it's pretty, you know, it's a Town road. It's definitely the
road we all probably stay away from in the wintertime, coming down that hill, you hope you're
going to stop, but there are some beautiful views at the top.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. GROSS-Because I live over on Thunderbird Drive. It's the same plateau, per say, and it's
just beautiful, it's absolutely beautiful. We've got some really beautiful land in Queensbury. I
think these two lots are probably two of them.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other questions or comments?
MR. GROSS-1 would even think Lot 12 and 2 we would push them to, everything would access
off of the new road. So that would probably be the only Luzerne, well, I take that back. Most
likely you would try to promote Lot One to come off of Twin Mountain. The way it's laid out, that
might be one where they might request, that person might want to come off of Luzerne Road.
That's the flattest part.
MR. FERONE-But that's a manageable piece of road.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, well, and it does make sense to have, most of the new lots to have
access off the new road.
MR. GROSS-It will give it a nice curb appeal, too.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. GROSS-Two acre lots in an area where most people are working with quarter acre, half
acre, definitely one acre at the most. So that would give it a nice curb appeal, the new road.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. Any other concerns from Staff that weren't identified in the notes?
MRS. MOORE-No, it was primarily slopes.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. DOBIE-Could I ask a question for Staff and possibly for the Board?
MR. HUNSINGER-Absolutely.
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MR. DOBIE-I'm just trying to work through the SEAR Lead Agency status, how that works in the
process. Generally, as I understand it, the Planning Board likes to be the Lead Agent.
MR. HUNSINGER-Right.
MR. DOBIE-And we've gotten caught on a few of these where we lose a month or there
declaring Lead Agency, back and forth. My question is is it feasible for us to, or how much
information do you need to become, to declare yourselves the Lead Agent? Do you need, can
we submit a request, a formal request, to hear just that resolution at one meeting while we're
working through our topo and engineering, that sort of thing, so we, because we're going to be a
couple of months out before we're ready to come back with the full blown Preliminary
submission. I didn't know if that was somewhat of a preliminary thing that could be done before
we come in with the full blown plans so we could streamline the process at all. I'm just asking
that question.
MR. HUNSINGER-There's really no other review, is there? Just the Town subdivision.
MRS. MOORE-Well, it'll be, it's potentially possible it would be with the Zoning Board.
MR. HUNSINGER-Right.
MRS. MOORE-Your review process. So, yes, you lose a month if you do the request for Lead
Agency status from the Planning Board to the Zoning Board. You lose a whole month because
you typically wait 30 days. Again, if all agencies return the responses prior to 30 days, then
there's no need to wait for the 30 days. It is something we talked about at Staff level. Sol
think we can possibly discuss it further and provide the applicant with an answer.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. I mean, at this point in time, though, you're not looking for anything
from the Zoning Board. That's why I was saying what other approvals are necessary?
MR. DOBIE-And we'll have Department of Health will be one of the agencies, too.
MR. HUNSINGER-Right.
MR. DOBIE-1 was just wondering if we could get that time clock going.
MR. HUNSINGER-Sure.
MR. DOBIE-If you will, while we're doing our fieldwork, that sort of thing. We'll discuss that
further with Staff certainly.
MR. HUNSINGER-1 mean, we typically don't have an issue with requests for Lead Agency
status, even with limited information.
MRS. MOORE-Right. So it is possible maybe that's something we'll discuss through March.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, so you can work that through with Laura, but, I mean, I can't speak for
the whole Board, but typically we like to be the Lead Agent. So I don't think you can anticipate
any issue there.
MR. FERONE-Does any of this property fall in the Adirondack Park? I know someplace up
there, the mountain.
MR. DOBIE-Yes. The entire parcel's in the Adirondack Park, yes, just by a few hundred feet to
the south of the blue line, but, yes, so we have to do our jurisdictional with them, certainly.
MR. FERONE-With them.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other thoughts, concerns from Board members?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-You've got a lot of work to do.
MR. DOBIE-That we do.
MR. HUNSINGER-It's a nice project, though. I was quite surprised to see that there was that
much land still available at the Town.
MR. GROSS-It's almost like it was meant to be with Lilac Lane just ending there with the circle.
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MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, right.
MR. GROSS-It seems like a natural.
MR. HUNSINGER-Almost like it was planned.
MR. GROSS-It was planned but nobody ever, they didn't follow through, you know. I would
presume the Town Highway Department would like it for plowing.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. GROSS-It's a straight shot right through.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Unless there's anything else.
MR. TRAVER-No.
MR. HUNSINGER-1 guess we're all set.
MR. DOBIE-All right. Thank you very much for your time.
MR. HUNSINGER-So, I mean, you're clear on deadlines and when things need to be submitted,
and if you have any questions just work them out with Laura and we'll see you when you're
ready. Okay.
MR. DOB IE-We'll get our stuff together. Thank you.
MR. HUNSINGER-Thank you. Is there any other business to be brought before the Board?
MR. FERONE-1 have a question. So on this special meeting coming up on March 10tH
MR. HUNSINGER-March 10th, yes.
MR. FERONE-That's just for public comment?
MR. HUNSINGER-No, it'll be, well, go ahead, Laura.
MRS. MOORE-Due to the fact that it includes a zoning change of the ordinance language, you
will open your public hearing and leave it open, take your public comment. The Town Board.
MR. FERONE-They have to make their decision on the zoning change.
MRS. MOORE-Well, we also need to wait, get your 30 days completed or receive all your
responses from those other agencies prior to you completing SEAR. So within that timeframe
you complete SEAR in March at some point with this project. So then it would go back to the
Town Board for them to finish up their project, but at some point during March you'll complete
SEAR on this project. The first meeting, the 10th, you'll probably take public comment, but
another meeting within March you'll complete the SEAR.
MR. FERONE-So in another meeting in March they'll be on the agenda again.
MRS. MOORE-Yes.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-So Tom Center's going to make the presentation, right?
MRS. MOORE-It's possible.
MR. HUNSINGER-Well, he was here the other night.
MRS. MOORE-Yes, but there's obviously other representatives also.
MR. HUNSINGER-Sure. Okay. Would someone like to make a motion to adjourn?
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF FEBRUARY
24, 2015, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by George
Ferone:
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Duly adopted this 24th day of February, 2015, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Traver, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Magowan
MR. HUNSINGER-Thank you, everybody.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Chris Hunsinger, Chairman.
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