08-23-2016 (Queensbury Planning Board 08/23/2016)
QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
AUGUST 23, 2016
INDEX
Site Plan PZ 121-2016 Cumberland Farms, Inc. 1.
FURTHER TABLING Tax Map No. 309.14-1-80
Subdivision 6-2015 Maurice Combs 2.
PRELIMINARY STAGE Tax Map No. 308.18-1-1
FINAL STAGE
FURTHER TABLING
Site Plan PZ 127-2016 Frank & Kathi Miller 2.
Tax Map No. 289.6-1-35
Site Plan PZ 203-2016 Chris Boyd 5.
Tax Map No. 240.6-1-17
Site Plan PZ 202-2016 Kevin &Annie Dineen 8.
Tax Map No. 289.17-1-46
Subdivision PZ 197-2016 Meghan Cesari/Cleverdale Ventures, LLC 11.
PRELIMINARY STAGE Tax Map No. 240.9-1-8
Subdivision PZ 198-2016
FINAL STAGE
Site Plan PZ 194-2016 John Salvador, Jr. 14.
Special Use Permit 195-2016 Tax Map No. 239.20-1-1, 252.-1-75.3, 252.-1-91
THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND
STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES,
IF ANY, AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES.
QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
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AUGUST 23, 2016
7:00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT
STEPHEN TRAVER, ACTING CHAIRMAN
PAUL SCHONEWOLF, SECRETARY
DAVID DEEB
GEORGE FERONE
BRAD MAGOWAN
JAMIE WHITE, ALTERNATE
JOHN SHAFER, ALTERNATE
LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE
STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI
MR. TRAVER-All right. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Town of Queensbury
Planning Board meeting for Tuesday, August 23, 2016. There should be agendas on the table
in the back of the room. We have six and a half items tonight. Two tabled. Three Old
Business. One New and one Administrative Item. All of the items that we're hearing have
public hearings associated with them, and we will begin with one Administrative Item.
ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM
FURTHER TABLING OF SITE PLAN PZ 121-2016 CUMBERLAND FARMS
MR. TRAVER-Laura, is there any additional info.?
MRS. MOORE-The Town Board is still reviewing the LED signage, and that actually had gone
to the APA for their review and comment. So it's still in that review process with other entities.
MR. TRAVER-For the digital?
MRS. MOORE-Yes, for the LED lights and for gas pump toppers only, and you may not see it.
Once it gets reviewed and moves forward through that process, the Planning Board may not
see LED signage before the Board for gas stations only.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Do they know how many gas stations are in Queensbury and how many
of them will be going to that if they approve it?
MRS. MOORE-No.
MR. TRAVER-They will.
MR. MAGOWAN-Will there be a certain lumens that they can't go over?
MRS. MOORE-Correct. So right now it's being reviewed as that film that covers it that that
woman provided, plus the actual value of lumens or foot candles will be described as well.
MR. TRAVER-Good. That will be interesting to see when they decide. Okay. We have a
draft motion for that.
RESOLUTION TABLING SP PZ 121-2016 CUMBERLAND FARMS
MOTION TO FURTHER TABLE SITE PLAN PZ 121-2016 CUMBERLAND FARMS, INC.,
Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption
Tabled until the November 15, 2016 Planning Board meeting.
Seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 23 d day of August, 2016 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Ms. White, Mr. Shafer, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
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MR. TRAVER-All right. Now we moved to the regular agenda items. We have two tabled
items. The first one is a Subdivision for Maurice Combs.
TABLED ITEMS:
SUBDIVISION NO. 6-2015 PRELIMINARY STAGE & FINAL STAGE SEAR TYPE TYPE I
— COORDINATED REVIEW MAURICE COMBS AGENT(S) HUTCHINS ENGINEERING;
MC PHILLIPS FITZGERALD & CULLUM OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING
MDR LOCATION 636 CORINTH ROAD SUBDIVISION: APPLICANT PROPOSES
SUBDIVISION OF A 9.24 ACRE PARCEL INTO 5 LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 1.37 TO
2.02 ACRES. PROJECT INCLUDES A PRIVATE DRIVE AND EASEMENT FOR UTILITIES.
PURSUANT TO CHAPTER A-183 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SUBDIVISION OF LAND
SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS
REFERENCE AV 11-2015; WATER DIST. EXT. WARREN CO. PLANNING N/A LOT
SIZE 9.24 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 308.18-1-1 SECTION CHAPTER A-183
MR. TRAVER-We understand this is being tabled as well, Laura.
MRS. MOORE-Yes. So that'll be tabled to the first meeting in October. They're in the process
of preparing additional plans for the Board to review. That included clearing and items such as
that. They did receive their Zoning Board variance for the number of lots.
MR. TRAVER-So they hope to have that to you by the 15th, I assume.
MRS. MOORE-September 15th
MR. TRAVER-Very good.
RESOLUTION TABLING SUBDIVISION NO. 6-2015 MAURICE COMBS
MOTION TO GRANT FURTHER TABLING OF PRELIMINARY STAGE SUBDIVISION NO. 6-
2015 MAURICE COMBS , Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption,
seconded by George Ferone:
Tabled until the October 18, 2016 Planning Board Meeting.
Duly adopted this 23d day of August, 2016, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Ms. White, Mr. Shafer, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-All right. The next item under Tabled Items is Frank & Kathi Miller.
SITE PLAN PZ 127-2016 SEAR TYPE II FRANK & KATHI MILLER AGENT(S) ETHAN P.
HALL — RUCINSKI HALL ARCHITECTURE OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING
WR LOCATION 22 NACY ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES DEMOLITION OF EXISTING
HOME AND OTHER BUILDINGS ON SITE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 2,967 SQ. FT.
(FOOTPRINT), 3,435 SQ. FT. (FLOOR AREA) SINGLE FAMILY HOME. PROJECT
INCLUDES INSTALLATION OF NEW SEPTIC AND WELL. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-
6-060 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 50 FT. OF 15% SLOPES
SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS
REFERENCE BP 2014-204 DOCK, AV PZ 67-2016 TEAR DOWN & CONST. OF SFD
WARREN CO. REFERRAL N/A SITE INFORMATION CEA LOT SIZE .31 ACRE TAX
MAP NO. 289.6-1-35 SECTION 179-6-060
ETHAN HALL, REPRESENTING APPLICANTS, PRESENT
MRS. MOORE-This is an item from previous months, and the Zoning Board did grant their
variance, and they have revised their plans and actually flipped the garage to the other side,
and it lengthened out the house. So it says in the Staff Notes that they're constructing a 2,967
square foot, and this is the footprint, and it ends up being 3,435 for floor area for a single family
home. They're tearing down the existing buildings on the site and putting up this one.
MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Good evening.
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MR. HALL-Good evening. Ethan Hall. I'm a principle with Rucinski Hall Architecture. With
me tonight are Frank and Kathi Miller. They're just walking in the door. I don't think they
expected to get here that quickly. This project was in front of you earlier for recommendation
to the Zoning Board of Appeals. We went to the Zoning Board with our original application.
They requested some significant changes, mainly floor area ratio, knocking down the overall
footprint of the building, making some changes. In that rendition where we made the changes
to the residence, to the house itself, we also decided that we would flip the building over. It
tended to work a little bit better on the site that way and gave us some improvements. It moved
the new sewage disposal system a little farther from the adjoining proposed well on the Sicard
subdivision and allowed us to do some other things as well as reduce the height and the overall
floor area. So we went back to the Zoning Board last week with that plan and we got an
approval there, and now we're back to you with the new plan which we feel is a better site plan
and a little better revision of the project.
MR. TRAVER-Thank you, and I see the Millers, Frank and Kathi Miller, have joined us. Good
evening. That's all right. We just really got started in the review. So do you want to introduce
yourselves for the record?
KATHI MILLER
MRS. MILLER-Hi, I'm Kathi Miller.
FRANK MILLER
MR. MILLER-I'm Frank Miller.
MR. TRAVER-Do you have anything to add?
MR. MILLER-No, other than, you know, if anybody really took the time to look at the property
that we own now, two buildings, we really believe that this will be a tremendous improvement to
both the neighborhood and the entire area. The buildings are over 100 years old. One building
in particular is the one that was used previously before we were there and any storage and
actually a workshop, and we really haven't done much. We haven't done anything to that at all.
So we just look at it as a chance for us to have a really nice place to improve everything.
MR. TRAVER-And certainly the new septic is an improvement in any case. We're always
looking for that, obviously.
MR. DEEB-Yes, we love that.
MR. TRAVER-Yes, thank you. Anything else
MR. HALL-One item to note on your Site Plan, and it's a discussion I've had with Staff and with
the Town Engineer. We originally had a paved driveway. We had shown a paved driveway
and we've been talking with the Millers. They requested, hey, if we can make this a crushed
stone versus a paved driveway we'd prefer to do that, save them a little money and they can do
that. That kind of takes away the need for the stone filter strip that's along the side of the
driveway. We can do that now with a dedicated swale, plus that takes away a stormwater
device that's within 100 feet of that proposed well, and my comment to Staff was, that's been a
proposed well for three years, and what's the statute of limitations on when that gets done, but
in talking with Laura, if it became an issue it could be something that we petition to say, look,
this was proposed three plus years ago and never undertaken, you know, can we get a little
relief because we need to have that there, but we can take our part away and that takes that
away from the neighbor and leaves that proposed well intact.
MR. TRAVER-And even though it's not being paved, it's still considered impervious.
MR. HALL-It is still considered impervious but we don't have to take as many precautions with
stormwater and things of that nature because we can use the vegetative swale as opposed to
something to try to catch water from running right off from the blacktop and from having to filter
it.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Do members of the Board have questions or comments?
We've looked at this before but it has changed a little bit. In many ways for the better.
MR. DEEB-For the better.
MR. FERONE-Absolutely, it's much improved.
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MR. TRAVER-There is a public hearing, I note, on this project. Are there folks in the audience
that would like to address the Board on this application? I'll note for the record I see none. Is
there anything submitted in writing?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-No, not for this application.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we will close the public hearing, again noting this is a Type 11
SEAR. So no additional SEQR review is required.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-If there are no other questions, we'll entertain a motion.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP PZ 127-2016 FRANK & KATHI MILLER
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for demolition of existing
home and other buildings on site for construction of a new 2,967 sq. ft. (footprint), 3,435 sq. ft.
(floor area) single family home. Project includes installation of new septic and well. Pursuant to
Chapter 179-6-060 of the Zoning Ordinance construction within 50 ft. of 15% slopes shall be
subject to Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant
to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative
Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 5/19/2016, and
continued the public hearing to 8/23/2016, when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 8/23/2016;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN PZ 127-2016 FRANK & KATHI MILLER; Introduced by
Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1) Waivers requested granted;
2. Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction
fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community
Development staff;
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the
Wastewater Department for its review, approval, permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building
permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the
Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to
signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) If required, the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit from Construction Activity" prior to the start of any site
work.
b. The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site, for review by staff:
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i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm
Water Pollution Prevention Plan) when such a plan was prepared and
approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit, or an individual SPDES permit issued for the
project if required.
f) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel;
g) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of
Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work;
h) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
i) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to
be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
j) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 23 d day of August, 2016 by the
following vote:
AYES: Mr. Ferone, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Shafer, Ms. White, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-Good luck.
MR. HALL-Thank you.
MRS. MILLER-Thank you very much.
MR. MILLER-Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Now we move on to Old Business.
OLD BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN PZ 203-2016 SEAR TYPE II CHRIS BOYD AGENT(S) DENNIS MAC ELROY
OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR LOCATION 25 HANNEFORD ROAD
APPLICANT PROPOSES CONSTRUCTION OF A 1,325 SQ. FT. (FOOTPRINT) SINGLE
FAMILY HOME WITH A 506 SQ. FT. OPEN DECK AND A 576 SQ. FT. ATTACHED
GARAGE. TOTAL FLOOR AREA IS 2,989 SQ. FT. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040(5)
OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 50 FEET OF 15% SLOPES
SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS
REFERENCE BP 08045 DOCK REPAIR WARREN CO. REFERRAL AUGUST 2016 SITE
INFORMATION APA LOT SIZE .31 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 240.6-1-17 SECTION 179-3-
040(5)
DENNIS MAC ELROY, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. SHAFER-Mr. Chairman, I will recuse myself from this item.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So noted.
MRS. MOORE-This application is before the Board to construct a 1,325 square foot footprint
single family home. This includes an open deck and an attached garage. The variance was
granted in reference to setback for the side property lines.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Hello, again.
MR. MAC ELROY-Good evening. I'm Dennis MacElroy with Environmental Design Partnership
here with the owner and applicant Chris Boyd for this site plan application for a single family
residence at 25 Hanneford Road. Hanneford Road is the road that overlooks Pilot Knob Road,
sits up high on the cliff area. We have been to the Zoning Board and received variances for
two side yard setbacks. So we're back seeking Site Plan approval. Everything is the same as
it was last week when we were here for a recommendation. It's a teardown and re-build of an
old house site. We have already undertaken a new wastewater system for the property. That
was the first thing Chris did when he acquired the property earlier this year. So that was done
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separately in anticipation of just a modification of the existing, but it turned out to be more
prudent to do a teardown and re-build. So we've got a good Town approved wastewater
system. There is an existing well on site that will be used. There's been good communication
with the neighborhood and some back and forth as far as making some modifications to the
original design so that everybody seems to be happy in the neighborhood and I think we've got
the supporting letters from several of the neighbors, including most importantly the two
neighbors to the north and south. I think we're in good shape there. One clarification I would
make. I know it came up before, was that we're right on the number for floor area ratio. We're
at 22%, but that does include the provision to have some storage in the foundation area, in the
basement area, and that is limited, as indicated on the plan to an area of about 225 square feet.
MR. TRAVER-Almost like a crawl space.
MR. MAC ELROY-Well, no, it would give the ability of a full basement, full height, more than five
feet.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. MAC ELROY-Because if it was a crawl space under five feet then it wouldn't apply to floor
area ratio.
MR. TRAVER-Right. Okay.
MR. MAC ELROY-So this is the provision that's shown in an area within the footprint of the
house that would provide some mechanical space at the basement level and the project's going
to encounter ledge in that area. So it provides some space but it minimizes the amount of
disturbance and expense of, it's not like they were going to blast a full basement anyway.
MR. MAGOWAN-I was going to say it's kind of a rock ledge. So you were able to find some
depth there.
MR. MAC ELROY-It's good hard soil there.
MR. TRAVER-Very good. Anything else?
MR. MAC ELROY-That should do it.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. All right. Well I know this was reviewed last week prior to going to the
ZBA. Are there any additional questions or comments from Board members this evening?
MR. FERONE-We vetted it pretty well last week.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. Okay. Well, in that case, let's see, this is a Type 11 SEAR. There is a
public hearing scheduled for this this evening. Are there, is there anyone in the audience, I
don't see anyone, that wants to comment on this application. There are written comments.
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-There are written comments. So this first one's addressed to myself. "This e-
mail is intended for the public hearing phase of the above application. As the neighbor to the
south at 21 Hanneford Road, I am writing to state that I have no objection to the construction of
the single family home proposed by Chris Boyd on the adjacent lot immediately to the north.
John H. Shafer, PE 21 Hanneford Road" This is addressed to the Planning Board. "Ken and
I have no objections to the plans for the construction of a new single family home open deck
and two car garage. We feel that this new construction will improve the surrounding
neighborhood." And this is Kenneth and Diana Kambar, and that's at 27 Hanneford Rd. And
this is, To Whom It May Concern. "We, Dave and Jane Hopper, of 35 Hanneford Rd., have no
objections to Mr. Boyd's project. Any improvements to our road is gratefully welcome.
Sincerely, Dave & Jane Hopper" And then the next one is, "Joseph & Jill Barone are
welcoming the addition and improvements of 25 Hanneford Rd. We wish Chris Boyd the best
of luck with his building endeavors." And this is from joseph & Jill Barone, and on top of that on
the same letter it says, "I am in agreement as well Torren Moore, 69 Hanneford Rd." And then
another individual is, "I am also in agreement Ann K. Storandt 63 Hanneford Rd." Another
neighbor says, "I want to endorse the home improvements Chris Boyd is doing on 25
Hanneford Rd. We look forward to the improvements. Kathleen M. Tateo 87 Hanneford Rd."
And the last one is addressed to neighbors, "I write in support of the Applicant Chris Boyd; PZ-
025-2016. 1 have known Chris for ten years, and I believe that he is a conscientious and good
neighbor. I think that he is honest and sincere, and his application is made with good intent.
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My understanding is that he has previously altered his plans after consulting with the adjoining
landowners and hearing their concerns. This shows his integrity and efforts at being a good
neighbor on our road. I encourage you to honor Mr. Boyd's request. Please contact me if you
have any questions. Sincerely, Kenis Sweet 8 Hanneford Rd."
MR. TRAVER-Great. Thank you. They're all supportive.
MR. DEEB-We've never had that before. Wow.
MR. MAC ELROY-He's an all-around good guy.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Very good. All right, well then with that we'll close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-As I said, this is a Type 11 SEAR. So we can go ahead and go directly to a
motion.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SITE PLAN PZ 203-2016 CHRIS BOYD
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for: Applicant proposes
construction of a 1,325 sq. ft. (footprint) single family home with a 506 sq. ft. open deck and a
576 sq. ft. attached garage. Total floor area is 2,989 sq. ft. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040(5)
of the Zoning Ordinance, new construction within 50 feet of 15% slopes shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant
to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative
Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 8/23/2016, and
continued the public hearing to 8/23/2016 when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 8/23/2016;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN PZ 203-2016 CHRIS BOYD; Introduced by Paul
Schonewolf who moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1. Waivers requested granted;
2. Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction
fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community
Development staff;
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the
Wastewater Department for its review, approval, permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building
permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the
Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to
signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) If required, the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit from Construction Activity" prior to the start of any site
work.
b. The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project;
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c. The applicant must maintain on their project site, for review by staff:
i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm
Water Pollution Prevention Plan) when such a plan was prepared and
approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit, or an individual SPDES permit issued for the
project if required.
f) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel;
g) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of
Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work;
h) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
i) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to
be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
j) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans
Motion was seconded by David Deeb. Duly adopted this 23 d day of August, 2016 by the
following vote:
AYES: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Shafer
MR. TRAVER-Good luck.
MR. MAC ELROY-Thank you very much.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Next on the agenda, also under Old Business, we have Kevin & Annie
Dineen.
SITE PLAN PZ 202-2016 SEAR TYPE TYPE II KEVIN & ANNIE DINEEN AGENT(S)
ETHAN P. HALL, RUCINSKI HALL ARCHITECTURE OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT
ZONING WR LOCATION 149 BIRDSALL ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES A 68 SQ. FT.
MUDROOM AND A 106 SQ. FT. OPEN PORCH ADDITION TO AN EXISTING 2,011 SQ. FT.
(FOOTPRINT) HOME INCLUDING INTERIOR ALTERATIONS. IN ADDITION TWO
DORMERS, TOTAL 63 SQ. FT., ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE
SECOND STORY OF AN EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE/LOFT. THE TWO DORMERS
INCLUDE BATHROOM EXPANSION AND SITTING ROOM; EXISTING FAR 336 SQ. FT.
AND PROPOSED 399 SQ. FT. (LOFT AREA ONLY). PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040
OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ADDITIONS IN A CEA AND HARD SURFACING SHALL BE
SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SP
26-12 & AV 24-12 96 SQ. FT. ADDITION; SP 11-07, SITE WORK AND VEGETATION
REMOVAL; AV 60-92, AV 27-97, SP 37-92, BP 97154 PORCH, BP 95295 SEPTIC ALT.; BP
92709 DEMO & REBUILD RESIDENCE; BP92545 ADDITIONAL ALTERATIONS TO
DWELLING WARREN CO. REFERRAL N/A SITE INFORMATION CEA LOT SIZE .62
ACRES TAX MAP NO. 289.17-1-46 SECTION 179-3-040
ETHAN HALL, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MRS. MOORE-Okay. So this applicant proposes a few things on the property. One of them is
a 68 sq. ft. mudroom, 106 square foot open porch, and this is to an existing home of 2,011
square feet, and it will include interior alterations, rearranging the kitchen and access to the
mudroom. In addition there's a detached garage/loft area, and there is proposed to be two
dormers totaling 63 square feet. This allows for expansion of the bathroom and sitting room in
that area of the loft.
MR. TRAVER-Great. Thank you, Laura. Good evening, again.
MR. HALL-Good evening, again, Ethan Hall, principle with Rucinski Hall Architecture. I'm here
tonight representing Kevin & Annie Dineen. As Laura said, it's a very small addition to the main
house to provide a mudroom. Currently you come down to the main entry and it goes right,
literally right into the middle of the kitchen. They want to give a place to come in and get shoes
off. We're going to put a roof over that section which will also cover a small section of the side
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porch to provide a place to get out of the weather to get into the building. So that's the sum
extent of the addition to the main house. The existing garage has a loft over the garage which
Kevin used to use when you were playing professional hockey, use that as his workout space.
It has a three-quarter bath, but it has very limited headroom. So in the bathroom portion we're
just going to put a full dormer over that, give it full headroom, and then balance it on the other
side, put a dormer for a small sitting area which is up in that loft space. We were at the Zoning
Board a week ago. Got our approvals from them, and we're back in front of you.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-I've never seen a Dineen plan with no hockey wing.
MR. HALL-I asked him if he wanted one.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Questions comments from the Board? This was reviewed prior to
referral to the ZBA again I know. Are there any follow up questions?
MR. HALL-There was one thing that we provided since our last time. I believe the septic was
follow up after the referral, or was that before?
MRS. MOORE-Correct.
MR. HALL-It was after the referral. Staff has requested that we do a little bit of investigation
into the existing septic system, make sure it's compliant. We had IBS Septic out there. They
installed and maintained the system since it was installed originally. This spring they had to
replace the lid of the drywell. It had a crack in it. When they were in there doing some work
they found a crack in the lid. So rather than try and repair it, they pulled it up, replaced it. At
that point they inspected the drywell. It's an eight foot diameter three stack. So it's 12 feet
deep, and it was completely dry. So it's doing its job. They took a look at the system at the
time. So they've gone through and it's been a maintained system ever since it was installed in
'95. So that is a compliant system.
MR. TRAVER-Did you provide a letter? Did they want a letter?
MRS. MOORE-Yes.
MR. HALL-Yes, I did provide Staff a certified letter.
MRS. MOORE-Yes, there's a certified letter.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Anything else?
MR. HALL-No.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then to the Board, any follow up questions or concerns? Hearing none,
we have, again, a public hearing on this application. Is there anyone in the audience that would
like to speak to this application? I'm not seeing any. We have one written comment?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-Yes. So this is addressed to Mr. Hunsinger and the Board members. "Annie &
Kevin Dineen are our next door neighbors and having submitted a petition to extend dormers on
their garage as they renovate a bathroom and sitting room. Several garages in the
neighborhood, ours included, have dormers. We agree with the Dineens that the dormers add
style to the boxiness of garages as well as adding natural light to the space within. We would
suggest that the Board approve their request. Any home improvement project they have
pursued has resulted in an aesthetically pleasing addition to the property." And this is Kate and
Wally Hirsch.
MR. TRAVER-Very good. Thank you. So another project supported by the neighborhood.
That's good. We always enjoy that.
MR. HALL-Actually at the Zoning Board both neighbors were there. The neighbors on both
sides were at the Zoning Board meeting. Neither of them spoke, but they were at least there.
MR. TRAVER-Very good. This is also a SEQR Type II. So no SEQR motion is required. If
there aren't any other concerns or questions or comments, then we can entertain a motion.
MS. GAGLIARDI-You just need to close the public hearing.
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MR. TRAVER-I'm sorry. Thank you. All right. With that I'll close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
RESOLUTION APPROVING SITE PLAN PZ 202-2016 KEVIN & ANNIE DINEEN
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for: Applicant proposes a 68
sq. ft. mudroom and 106 sq. ft. open porch addition to an existing 2,011 sq. ft. (footprint) home
including interior alterations. In addition two dormers, total 63 sq. ft., are proposed to be
constructed on the second story of an existing detached garage/loft. The two dormers include
bathroom expansion and sitting room; existing FAR 336 sq. ft. and proposed 399 sq. ft. (loft
area only). Pursuant to Chapter 179- 3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, additions in a CEA and
hard surfacing shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. :
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant
to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative
Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 8/23/2016, and
continued the public hearing to 8/23/2016 when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 8/23/2016;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN PZ 202-2016 KEVIN & ANNIE DINEEN;
Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1. Waivers requested granted;
2. Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction
fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community
Development staff;
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the
Wastewater Department for its review, approval, permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building
permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the
Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to
signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) If required, the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit from Construction Activity" prior to the start of any site
work.
b. The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site, for review by staff:
i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm
Water Pollution Prevention Plan) when such a plan was prepared and
approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit, or an individual SPDES permit issued for the
project if required.
f) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel;
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g) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of
Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work;
h) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
i) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to
be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
j) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans
Motion was seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 23 d day of August, 2016, by the
following vote:
AYES: Mr. Ferone, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Shafer, Ms. White, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. HALL-Thank you very much.
MR. TRAVER-You're welcome.
MR. HALL-We appreciate it.
SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY PZ 197-2016 & FINAL PZ 198-2016 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED
MEGHAN CESARL, CLEVERDALE VENTURES, LLC AGENT(S) VAN DUSEN & STEVES
OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING NC LOCATION 2660 STATE ROUTE 9L
APPLICANT PROPOSES TWO LOT SUBDIVISION OF A 4.148 ACRE PARCEL INTO 1.004
ACRES AND 3.144 ACRES. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 183 OF THE ZONING
ORDINANCE, SUBDIVISION OF LAND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD
REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SP 64-95, BP 2009-319 SIGN COPY
CHANGE, BP 983-293 SIGN, BP095682 320 SQ. FT. ADDITION WARREN CO. REFERRAL
N/A SITE INFORMATION APA LOT SIZE 4.148 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 240.9-1-8
SECTION CHAPTER 183
MATT STEVES, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Good evening.
MRS. MOORE-So this applicant proposes a subdivision of a 4.148 acre into 1.004 and 3.144.
The variance was granted, as we discussed during the Planning Board recommendation. The
new lot line causes the two buildings to not meet the required setbacks. So the Zoning Board
granted that. So the applicant's back before this Board to complete the subdivision review
process.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you, Laura. One question I have. It notes on the agenda that
this is a SEQR Unlisted, but was SEQR not performed before it went to the ZBA?
MRS. MOORE-They acted independently. They don't have to do that. It's an Area Variance,
so they're not required to complete SEAR. It's a Type 11.
MR. TRAVER-No, I meant this Board. Usually before we do a referral for a recommendation
sometimes we do.
MRS. MOORE-Sometimes you do. The Zoning Board can act independently.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. All right. So we do need to do SEAR?
MRS. MOORE-Yes.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. Good evening.
MR. STEVES-Good evening. Matt Steves with Van Dusen and Steves, representing the
applicant, Meghan Cesari/Cleverdale Ventures. As was stated here we were here last week for
the recommendation to the Zoning Board and got the approval at the Zoning Board. I don't
think there's any questions from the Zoning Board. Then we're back before you again. Again
it's a two lot subdivision, breaking off the realty office from the actual Store and the cabins in the
back. There's no change in the use whatsoever, no site changes to the property at all. It's just
that any division line required a variance if you break off that realty office because of the fact
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that there's less than 40 feet between the two buildings so therefore any place you put a line
requires a variance. Obtaining that variance last week, both lots comply with the Zoning Code,
road frontage, area, green space. There's no proposed modifications to the site.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you very much. Are there any questions or concerns for the
application on the part of the Planning Board?
MR. DEEB-No.
MR. TRAVER-There is a public hearing for this application. Is there anyone here that would
like to speak to this application? I don't see any. Laura, any written comments?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-No written comments.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Actually I guess we have to leave the public hearing open while we do
SEAR. Right? No? Okay. Then we will close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-And we'll move on, then, to consider the SEQR resolution. There is a draft
resolution in the materials provided us by Staff. Are members of the Board feeling any
concerns regarding environmental impacts? Obviously this is a line, a lot line, but I ask in any
case. Okay. If you want to go ahead with that motion.
RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEQR DEC. SUBDIVISION CLEVERDALE
VENTURES
The applicant proposes two lot subdivision of a 4.148 acre parcel into 1.004 acres and 3.144
acres. Pursuant to Chapter 183 of the Zoning Ordinance, subdivision of land shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is
subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act;
The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental
Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the
regulations of the Town of Queensbury;
No Federal or other agencies are involved;
Part 1 of the Long EAF has been completed by the applicant;
Part 2 of the Long EAF has been reviewed by the Planning Board;
Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of
Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse
impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be
prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued.
MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR CLEVERDALE VENTURES, LLC.
Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption.
As per the resolution prepared by staff.
1. Part 11 of the Long EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board.
2. Part III of the Long EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify
potentially moderate to large impacts.
Seconded by Brad Magowan Duly adopted this 23 d day of August, 2016 by the following
vote:
AYES: Mr. Ferone, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Shafer, Ms. White, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
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MR. TRAVER-All right. Then we have two more motions, the first one being Preliminary Stage.
RESOLUTION APPROVING PRELIM. STG. SUB PZ 197-2016 CLEVERDALE VENTURES
A subdivision application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes two lot subdivision of a 4.148 acre parcel into 1.004 acres and 3.144 acres.
Pursuant to Chapter 183 of the Zoning Ordinance, subdivision of land shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter A-183, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
The requirements of the State Environmental Quality Review Act have been considered and the
Planning Board has adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration
A public hearing was scheduled and held on 08/23/2016;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material
in the file of record;
MOTION TO APPROVE PRELIMINARY STAGE FOR SUBDIVISION PZ 197-2016
CLEVERDALE VENTURES, LLC. Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved its adoption.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 23 d day of August, 2016 by the
following vote:
AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Shafer, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-Lastly we have a resolution for the Final Stage of the Subdivision.
RESOLUTION APPROVING FINAL STAGE SUB PZ 198-2016 CLEVERDALE VENTURES
A subdivision application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes two lot subdivision of a 4.148 acre parcel into 1.004 acres and 3.144 acres.
Pursuant to Chapter 183 of the Zoning Ordinance, subdivision of land shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter A-183, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
A public hearing was scheduled and held on 8/23/2016;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material
in the file of record;
MOTION TO APPROVE FINAL STAGE FOR SUBDIVISION PZ 198-2016 CLEVERDALE
VENTURES, LLC, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved its adoption.
1. The requirements of the State Environmental Quality Review Act have been considered
and the Planning Board has adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration; and if the
application is a modification, the requirements of the State Environmental Quality
Review Act have been considered, and the proposed modification[s] do not result in any
new or significantly different environmental impacts, and, therefore, no further SEQRA
review is necessary;
2. Waiver requestsrg anted: stormwater mgmt., grading, landscaping & lighting plans;
3. The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing
shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff
4. Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Planning Board Chairman.
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5. The applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a) The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit or for coverage under an individual SPDES prior to
the start of any site work.
b) The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project; and
6. The applicant must maintain on their project site, for review by staff:
a) The approved final that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm
Water Pollution Prevention Plan) when such a plan was prepared and
approved; and
b) The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit, or an individual SPDES permit issued for the
project.
7. Final approved plans, in compliance with the Subdivision, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel.
8. The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building
Permit and/or the beginning of any site work.
9. Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 23 d day of August, 2016 by the
following vote:
MRS. MOORE-1 just see this. Item Number Four, I don't believe there's engineering signoff
required. So you can strike that on this one.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-You mean the engineering signoff?
MRS. MOORE-Yes.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So we want to amend the resolution to eliminate Number Four on the
draft resolution.
MRS. MOORE-Yes.
AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Shafer, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. STEVES-Thank you.
MR. DEEB-Thank you.
NEW BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN PZ 194-2016 & SPECIAL USE PERMIT PZ 195-2016 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED
JOHN SALVADOR, JR. OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR-2A
LOCATION BAY RD. AND STATE ROUTE 9L APPLICANT PROPOSES TO MAINTAIN
ALREADY IN-USE CLASS A MARINA AND EXISTING BUILDING. PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 179-10-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, CLASS A MARINAS SHALL BE
SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE AV
3-2005 BUILD CABIN; SEVERAL- 2005, 2004, 2003, 2001 & 2000 WARREN CO.
REFERRAL AUGUST 2016 SITE INFORMATION APA LOT SIZE 0.49 ACRE, 6.4
ACRE, 0.19 ACRE TAX MAP NO. 239.20-1-1, 252.-1-75.3, 252.-1-91 SECTION 179-10-
040
JOHN SALVADOR, PRESENT
MRS. MOORE-So this application is for an already in-use Class A Marina. The current Marina
has an existing 67 slips and 75 parking spaces. I've described the information as a Special
Use Permit and a Site Plan application. Part of the Special Use Permit is that it meet the
requirements of the Lake George Park Commission. The applicant does have an existing Park
Commission permit as well as a DEC permit.
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MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Good evening.
MR. SALVADOR-Good evening. For the record, my name is John Salvador, I'm the
owner/applicant for the Site Plan Review application before you. I am a 43 year resident of the
Town of Queensbury living in the vicinity of Dunham's Bay and the marina project at hand. The
issue of New Business before you is described as a proposal to maintain an already in-use
existing Class A Marina, and I want to digress a minute here. This word existing has different
meanings in different codes, and it's very important in this particular case. We all understand
what existing, pre-existing nonconforming use means with respect to the Town Code, but the
Park Commission has an entirely different description of a definition of existing and I'd like to
read it to you. An existing dock, wharf or mooring or a marina means a dock, wharf, mooring or
marina registered or for which a permit has been issued pursuant to the provisions of Sub Part
646-1, and its predecessor regulations. What are the predecessor regulations? And the
confusing thing here is the use of the term Part 646. There are actually two codes with the
nomenclature Part 646. This was done by the Park Commission and why I can't tell you, but
there was a Part 646 with a promulgation date of July 3,d, 1981, promulgated by the DEC.
Those regulations still in effect and those are the regulations under which I have presented this
DEC marina permit that's in the packet tonight. We were required to register our marina
facilities in 1981, and we received for that a permit to operate by the DEC, and in order for you
to qualify as an existing Park Commission marina you must have registered for that program.
Now who was to register? That was also a bit of a limitation. You were only allowed to
register legally pre-existing facilities. Legally pre-existing, okay. They did say that even if you
didn't have legally pre-existing, if you registered, you would be allowed to continue to use them.
Nobody said how long, okay, but that was a privilege that they gave, and of course everybody
took the bait and registered, even though they may have been illegal, and this has tended to be
used against them. So much for 646, the two 646's, and the current 646 is this, these
regulations, very extensive, very, very involved. Over 50 definition units, but that's here. The
other thing is that we always refer now in our Code to Part 645, Part 645 and 646. 645 was
purported by the Commission to have been revised. They put those up, and they were a
regulation that they were revising at the time that they were also revising 646. 645 never, it
was promulgated a long time ago. It was their sign ordinance and it had never been revised.
So those are, can be some confusing things, but what I'd like to do is I'll read to you from the
646 of the DEC.. It says here all wharfs legally existing on Lake George, whether or not they
meet the requirements of this part, may continue to be maintained providing the property owner
or the owner of such wharf registers the same with the Department on or before January 1,
1982. That doesn't mean that if you registered they were legal. Okay. So in any case, it
turned out that we were one of the, if not the only, facility on the lake that could claim to have
been legal by virtue of the fact that we own the land under which the marina rests. The marina
facilities are all located on our own private property, even the underwater land is owned by us,
and nobody else could claim that.
MR. TRAVER-1 believe there's at least one other that I'm aware of, over.
MR. SALVADOR-Excuse me?
MR. TRAVER-1 believe there is at least one other private marina that I'm personally aware of
that's over between Diamond Point and Bolton Landing that was also pre-existing in '81 and
went through the same procedure that you did?
MR. SALVADOR-Okay. Diamond Point?
MR. TRAVER-Between Diamond Point and Bolton Landing, yes, somewhere in there.
MR. SALVADOR-Okay. Where was 1. This came to light because we were cited, in 1992 we
were cited by the Commission for having illegal docks, and we were cited because the claim
was made that we were on State land without a permit, and I wasn't smart enough in 1992 to
say or to ask what about all the other people? Okay, but in any case I conformed to the
requirement. They reported us to the OGS, and the OGS manages the State's underwater
lands. Reported us to the OGS. The OGS sent us a letter and said either we get an easement
or we were going to have to remove the facilities from the bed of the lake. So what do I have to
do to get an easement? They sent me a packet, and I went to work, and one of the first things
you have to do to get an OGS easement is to demonstrate that you have good title to the
upland, to the upland, an they're willing to give you an easement to use the bed of the lake, and
so I went to work, and Io and behold not only did I show that we owned the upland, but we
owned the underwater land as well, and we have a confirmation of that from the OGS. So that
kind of blew that argument that the Commission had, just blew it away, but in any case, I
understand that they were able to hold everybody, they were able to hold everyone hostage on
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that lake to their program because no one has their facilities on their own land. Everybody has
their facilities on underwater land that is owned by the State of New York, and you're not
allowed to occupy that land unless you have a permit, and now the Commission has set
themselves up as the agency authorized to dole out the permits, and of course they cost money.
That might help to clarify that situation, but in any case, our Class A Marina permit Number
5234-24-96 was first issued by the Lake George Park Commission on April 27, 2007, whereas
we satisfied all the criteria to be awarded an existing permit, remember I told you we had
registered, the Commission issued us a new marina permit and that subject is still being
contested. They paraded us in there for a new marina permit, and we're not a new marina.
Under their regulations we are an existing marina, and I continue to make that point clear. The
Commission issued us a permit for a new marina. The 2007 permit was once again renewed in
2012 and will again be up for review, for renewal in 2017. The Commission does not give
lifetime permits. They are five year operating permits, up for review every five years. We
intend to again challenge the Commission's issuance of a new marina permit because we
qualified from the beginning, in 1988, as an existing marina and still are. Also we expect to
have this Special Use Permit approved by that time. Before the review of this application
proceeds, we request this Board to take into consideration that we qualified and received the
Special Use Permit Number 60 to allow for the expansion of a marina in 1976. Because of the
Town's adoption of Local Law No. 1 of 2002, on April 1St, 2002, with no respect to Special Use
Permit No. 60, we were made to apply for Special Use Permit Number 5 of 2003, and that on
November 23, 2004 the Planning Board voted four to two, with Chairman MacEwan abstaining,
to deny our application without prejudice. That application, having been very similar, if not
practically the same, as the application having been, which is before you tonight. That same
2003 application for an administrative special use permit was first denied by the Warren County
Planning Board, without prejudice, based on the fact that we had not yet been granted a Lake
George Park Commission Class A Marina Permit, completely overlooking the fact that at that
time we were operating pursuant to the same DEC permit, Number 50-81-0071 MA, dated
March 22, 1982. Pending obtaining a Town Special Use Permit as we are today. I might add I
received the County report and they find no impact, No County Impact, but the last time the
County was the first to deny without prejudice. Now I ask, what rights, privileges and
immunities were bestowed upon us as a result of both the Planning Boards voting to deny
without prejudice? And the Town Chairman's closing comment, there you go, John, you can
come back when you have your ducks in a row. Now I have been trying to come back
repeatedly because I have my ducks in a row, and I can't get recognized as being before you as
an extension of that first application. The Town won't recognize, and I'm here tonight a new
application. Again, appearing here tonight with a new application. We must conclude that
none of our 2003 rights have been preserved. Now we're required to register to come before
the Town to apply for this Special Use Permit and we did that. We conformed. We did it
timely, everything, and we danced around, you wouldn't believe what we went through. I have
here a list of all the permits that we had operated under for that application, all the permits,
building permits, DEC permits, easements, and it still wasn't sufficient and they denied without
prejudice. Now this was very advantageous to the Town, and it didn't occur to me right away,
but, you know, when you deny without prejudice it's not a final determination, and I was
precluded from going to court in an Article 78 because of that. So there I was hung out there
without a permit, and not an ability to go to court to get it resolved. So that was very beneficial
to the Town because at that time I was the only one beating the drum that the Town had no
jurisdiction on the navigable waters. I don't know if any of you folks remember the PORC
committee meetings I attended, repeatedly, repeatedly presenting the Town has no jurisdiction
on the navigable waters, and I could have brought an action on that basis much sooner than the
Hoffman's did. See I was at 2003. The Hoffman's didn't come along until 2005 or '06,
something like that, and bring that, and that didn't get resolved until just a few years ago. So
we've been all this time with the Town operating, usurping power, to grant or deny, deny permits
on the navigable waters where they had absolutely no jurisdiction.
MR. TRAVER-Well, I think there was jurisdiction until it was removed by a decision of the judge.
MR. SALVADOR-Nothing happened to change the circumstances around that denial, that
decision. That decision was based on a 1957 court of appeals decision, the high court.
MR. TRAVER-But until it's adjudicated and a decision is made by the court, it has no impact.
MR. SALVADOR-That issue was adjudicated by the court in 1957. It said, I don't have the
exact wording, but in any case the court of appeals rule, in matters of the State's paramount
authority on the navigable waterways, it is not limited to matters of navigation alone, but extends
to every form of regulation in the public interest. A form of regulation is planning and zoning. A
form of regulation is assessments. And these things have got to be settled, but we didn't want
to pay any attention to that. This was, the courts were making decisions on that issue, Lake
Placid, other lakes around, Hudson River, and we weren't willing to address that. So until it
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came here and the two cases on Lake George, did we begin to finally understand that there's no
jurisdiction, and the added strengthen of that whole idea, we have a Park Commission. We
have a State agency on the lake. We pay fees to a State agency. We are regulated by a State
agency, and it's State property, and the Town has no jurisdiction, never did. So that has
complicated our issue, but in any case, I've completed the application. Craig Brown gave me a
letter that said that I had to furnish two things to complete this application. One was a site plan,
and the other was a permit by an agency that was issued before April 1 st, 2002. Now I can tell
you, I had those things back in 2003.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-But, John, that's history.
MR. SALVADOR-What's that?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-That's history. We don't need a history lesson.
MR. SALVADOR-1 know. Everybody keeps saying that.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-You've applied for your Special Use Permit and your Site Plan.
MR. SALVADOR-1 got it.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-And you got it. So move on.
MR. SALVADOR-Now that site plan is exactly the same site plan I submitted in 2003, except I
have eradicated the facilities on the navigable waters. Otherwise it's the same identical plan.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-That's the way it goes. That's the State.
MR. SALVADOR-Okay.
MR. TRAVER-1 was interested, John, to see you on the list as an applicant. I was wondering
how you would handle this role that I don't recall ever seeing you in, and I think I imagined a
ghostly john Salvador stand up in the audience and point an empty sleeve at us and remind us
about all the regulations about marinas. So you melded the two roles very effectively I thought.
So thank you for that information.
MR. SALVADOR-Thank you.
MR. DEEB-So you vented tonight. You did a good job.
MR. SALVADOR-This is a very complicated subject.
MR. TRAVER-Sure it is, well, and the history makes it more complicated.
MR. SALVADOR-Because of conflicting, you know the philosophy way back in the late 70's and
the early 80's was we need one agency on the lake that, you know, one stop shopping where
you could go and get a permit and that sort of thing.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-It's not going to happen.
MR. TRAVER-Well, in those days there were fewer regulations. Things were much simpler, as
you know, than they are today. Which, you know, but as Paul said, you know, that's history.
We are where we are. You have put together a fine application and unless you have
something else to add, I would ask the Board to see if there are any questions or concerns
about this renewal application.
MR. SHAFER-This is a renewal? You're operating now under an existing Special Use Permit
by the Town of Queensbury?
MRS. MOORE-No. It's not a renewal. It's not a renewal.
MR. SALVADOR-No.
MR. TRAVER-It's not a renewal.
MRS. MOORE-No.
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MR. SALVADOR-1 have a Special Use Permit Number 60, going back to 1976. This is in the
record.
MR. TRAVER-1 see. You're proposing to maintain.
MR. SALVADOR-But that doesn't seem to count, and by the way, that Special Use Permit was
subject to a Use Variance. I had to get a variance first. It was a nonconforming use in a
residential zone. So I had to get a Use Variance first and then get the Special Use Permit.
Today you don't require that.
MR. TRAVER-So basically by this application, should it be approved, you're sort of codifying
and creating a record that establishes your marina, even though it's already in existence.
MR. SALVADOR-Yes.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Understood. Does anyone have any questions about that issue?
MRS. MOORE-Okay. So there was language in the Code back in 2003, and it's not when I
was here. It was at a different location, that the Town of Queensbury had added Special Use
Permits, and along came marinas. So they added that to the Special Use Permit items and at
that time the application that he had was denied without prejudice and from then until now John
has put together pieces of information and now at this time, in 2016, that information
supplements what a Special Use Permit is for his existing marina.
MR. TRAVER-Sure. Okay.
MR. SALVADOR-1 might add that the Staff Notes recognize the fact that that one building we
have there, it also is the central point for all of our utilities on site, power, telephone, water,
wastewater. We have toilets and showers in that building, 24 hour, open at all times. They're
keyed. We have done extensive work, meeting the Code for handicap access, done a lot of
stormwater improvements, just everything from the highway drains right down to the lake.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-And you've still got china and silverware left from the hotel, too.
MR. SALVADOR-What's that, I still have what?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-China and silverware left from the hotel. We went through that once,
remember?
MR. TRAVER-All right. Thank you, John. So, we have a public hearing also on this application
this evening. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak to this application? All
right. Not seeing anyone, Laura, are there any written comments?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we'll close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-And the next order of business is to do, this is a SEQR Unlisted application. Are
there members of the Board who have environmental concerns about this application?
MS. WHITE-There's no change in use.
MR. TRAVER-There is no change.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-I don't have a SEQR resolution.
MR. SALVADOR-By the way, we are included in the Dunham's Bay responsible management
district, wastewater district. We've had our wastewater facilities inspected by the District, and
meet all the requirements.
MR. TRAVER-Good.
MR. SALVADOR-Basically we're on holding tanks. So everything, the pump outs, everything
goes to the holding tank.
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MR. TRAVER-Yes, well, go ahead.
RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEQR DEC. SP PZ 194-2016 & SUP PZ 195-2016
The applicant proposes to maintain already in-use Class A Marina and existing building.
Pursuant to Chapter 179-10-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, Class A Marinas shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is
subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act;
The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental
Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the
regulations of the Town of Queensbury;
No Federal or other agencies are involved;
Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant;
Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of
Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse
impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be
prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued.
MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN PZ 194-2016 &
SPECIAL USE PERMIT PZ 195-2016 JOHN SALVADOR JR., Introduced by Paul Schonewolf
who moved for its adoption.
As per the resolution prepared by staff.
1. Part II of the Short EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board.
2. Part III of the Short EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify
potentially moderate to large impacts.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 23 d day of August, 2016 by the
following vote:
AYES: Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Shafer, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-All right. Then we can move on to the application motion.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP PZ 194-2016 & SUP PZ 195-2016 JOHN SALVADOR, JR.
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for Site Plan approval
pursuant to Article 9 of the Town zoning Ordinance for: Applicant proposes to maintain already
in-use Class A Marina and existing building. Pursuant to Chapter 179-10-040 of the Zoning
Ordinance, Class A Marinas shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant
to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative
Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 8/23/2016, and
continued the public hearing to 8/23/2016 when it was closed,
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The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 8/23/2016;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN PZ 194-2016 & SPECIAL USE PERMIT PZ 195-2016
JOHN SALVADOR JR., Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption.
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions:
1) Waivers requestrg anted:
2) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution
a) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel;
b) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of
Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work;
c) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
d) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 23d day of August, 2016 by the
following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Ms. White, Mr. Shafer, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-You're all set, John.
MR. SALVADOR-Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-Last on the agenda was a discussion item which has been withdrawn. So that
concludes the agenda items for this evening. Before we wrap up, I just want to acknowledge
Staff. We had a discussion with Craig, I wasn't here last week, but last month, regarding the
formation of the draft motions, and I see that that's been changed, so the seconded portion of
that has been moved to the end. That makes it a much more logic progression.
MRS. MOORE-Smoother.
MR. TRAVER-Thank you very much for doing that.
MRS. MOORE-Yes. I do have, for September, you were made aware last month that there will
be one meeting, and it's September 20th. I do have an opportunity to schedule your stormwater
training for the MS-4. If we can do that the same night. I would like to start the meeting at six.
MR. TRAVER-At six.
MRS. MOORE-If that's all right for the workshop.
MR. TRAVER-So that is September 20th. So the meeting on September 27th is cancelled.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Yes.
MRS. MOORE-Correct.
MR. TRAVER-And the meeting on the 20th will start at six p.m. instead of seven p.m.
MRS. MOORE-Correct, and it's specific to the workshop.
MR. MAGOWAN-The 27th is cancelled.
MR. TRAVER-Yes, and the meeting on the 20th will begin at six p.m., for purposes of conducting
a workshop.
MRS. MOORE-Yes.
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MR. TRAVER-How many applications do we have for the 20th, approximately?
MRS. MOORE-I'll read them to you so you know. So I have the Great Meadow Federal Credit
Union is going to be tabled. The Joe Leuci project is up.
MR. TRAVER-That's the Clendon Brook project?
MRS. MOORE-Yes. Under New Business right now I have Dunham's Bay Fish and Game is
proposing an open sided pole barn over the outdoor shooting range, just a small portion of that.
MR. TRAVER-I'll have to recuse myself.
MRS. MOORE-And then I have Nick Daigle who's utilizing an existing building on the
Boulevard. It was previously a church of some sort. Now he's proposing a new retail
commercial use in that building, and so that's before the Board.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-That's it?
MR. TRAVER-All right. If there's nothing else, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF AUGUST 23,
2016, Introduced by Paul Schonewolf who moved for its adoption, seconded by George Ferone:
Duly adopted this 23rd day of August, 2016, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Ferone, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Shafer, Ms. White, Mr. Magowan, Mr.
Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-We stand adjourned. Thank you, everybody.
On motion meeting was adjourned.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Stephen Traver, Acting Chairman
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