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MAY 24, 2004 RES. 283-285
7:00 p.m.
TOWN BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT
SUPERVISOR DANIEL STEC
COUNCILMAN ROGER BOOR-Absent
COUNCILMAN THEODORE TURNER
COUNCILMAN JOHN STROUGH
COUNCILMAN TIM BREWER
Recreation Commissioner Doug Irish
Director of Community Development Chris Round
Sr. Planner Marilyn Ryba
Supervisor Stec-Opened the meeting at 7:05 P.M. Noted that
Councilman Roger Boor and Councilman Tim Brewer are expected
later in the meeting.
?? QUEENSBURY TENNIS COURTS DISCUSSION
Commissioner Irish-Reviewed the history of the Tennis Courts at
Queensbury School - noted meeting was held with Queensbury
School Tim Place and Rob Chapman and discussed the cost of
replacement of the courts at $140,000 plus 50% of additional cost to
move the gas pipe line and 50% to relocate the lights not to exceed
$25,000 total which comes to $176,250.00. Assistant Director of
Parks and Recreation Steve Lovering-Original conversation with Dr.
Lomanto it was agreed that the department would consider the cost
of constructing four new courts it was only later on in the summer or
fall that the school decided that not only are we going to build four
new courts we want to relocate the original six, we want to put them
back across the roadway the separates the Middle to the High
School. We asked for a price so we would know what it was going
to be. Our portion will be the construction of the four courts we did
not agree at any point in time with the school to pay for the
relocation of the lights, the amount for the relocation of the gas line
came a few weeks ago. We were awaiting cost figures that never
came in, it was tabled in 2002 January. The wild card was the
relocation of the lights and gas line those were not originally
discussed. Commission member Connie Goedert-noted that the
courts will also be used as ice skating rinks in the winter..noted that
the commission has supported the $176,250. Supervisor Stec-
Councilman Boor was concerned that the money was to be paid to
the contractors and we do not have a contract with
them…Commissioner Jack LaBombard-the town will not pay the
contractor, I assume that the Town will pay the school district.
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Commissioner Irish-Our concern is that the courts are finished before
we pay anybody. Budget Officer Jennifer Switzer-There is going to
be huge problem for the town to pay someone that they are not
under contract with. Supervisor Stec-We would enter into a contract
with the school. Discussion held regarding where the money was
coming from: Commissioner Irish-I pitched that the Recreation
Commission would put up the $140,000 with the town putting up the
difference coming from CIP Fund. Supervisor Stec-If we go with the
CIP fund we have to have a public hearing. Noted he would say it
would come from the Recreation funds because you brought it to us.
Budget Officer Jennifer Switzer-The Commission needs to enter into a
contract with the School District. Commissioner Irish-Noted he had
asked for a breakdown of the cost of the courts and has not received
any. That would be very important for us to have. Asked that this be
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asked for from Tim Place. Supervisor Stec-June 7 next board
meeting hope to take action on this…noted that Roger and Tim may
have some more questions on this… Budget Officer Jennifer Switzer-
Requested a list of concerns from the commission to Bob Hafner or
myself so we can take those concerns into consideration with the
contract.
?? NORTH QUEENSBURY EMS PAID DAY STAFF
Supervisor Stec-It came up at a discussion at the North Qsby. Squad
meeting with Roger and I in February, and you approached us again
a month ago and we met again, we talked about adding one paid
ALS tech, Monday through Friday from Memorial Day through Labor
Day weekend. An arrangement through Keena similar to what West
has. The number we were talking about was $12,000. Four
thousand dollars a month of one person for three months. We set a
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public hearing for the 7 of June to ratify and allow you to go
forward, that would change the contact to allow you to do that. We
do have questions before the public hearing. Councilman Strough-
Noted it sounds like a good thing, how is it going to be funded?
Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-noted that they only need one paid
and a volunteer…Supervisor Stec-Looking at the cash balance that
No. Qsby. has the question we have is do you need the twelve from
the Town to help fund this. Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-Yes,
we do. Noted she had been on the squad since 1978 and we have
never come to the Town for one dime over our budget and our
budget quite often gets cut and North Queensbury has the highest
tax base. Supervisor Stec-Noted that the question that will be
raised is that No. Qsby. EMS has over a quarter of a million dollars
cash balance to cover them for almost two years, do they need the
twelve grand? We are not making any decision tonight. Councilman
Strough-What is the two hundred and thirty four thousand three
hundred and fourteen dollars why don’t you use it from that?
Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-The bulk of that money is money
that was left to us by a few members of our community and it is to
be used, they were very picky the way they were allowed to use that
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money. It has to be used for members of the squad. Budget Officer
Jennifer Switzer-In their financial statements it is just under cash ..it
is not footnoted as being restricted. Supervisor Stec-Noted that the
company has not collected any of their payments on this years
contract yet. Your public hearing is on for two weeks from now…the
question will be if in fact indeed those funds are not restricted or
maybe not all this quarter of a million, you pull out the endowment
and you are still sitting on a hundred thousand dollars of town money
that you haven’t used then we might want to take the twelve out of
that. If in fact most of the two hundred and thirty four thousand is
endowed and it isn’t for operations like this, all we have got to go by
is the audits and the audits are not clear on this. Councilman
Strough-That is another thing we can add to our agreed upon
procedures that we have got to look at. (Councilman Brewer entered
the meeting) Supervisor Stec-Have you settled on Keena then?
Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-Yes. The only way we can use
Empire is if they know two weeks ahead of time. Councilman
Strough-Our town did have some concerns on the Keena Contract
some things that should be looked at when you review the contract.
Supervisor Stec-Welcomed Dave Strainer - Councilman Strough-Is
Keena just going to use one ALS Tech and will it be the same
person? Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-No. We have five
different people. Councilman Strough-Are they all members of the
squad currently? Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-Three are and
two aren’t. Supervisor Stec-questioned if the other two are members
of the other squads. Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-No.
Supervisor Stec-Some of the people that they hired to run the day
time calls were not volunteers of West Glens Falls EMS but
subsequently to becoming paid members of the squad if you will that
they also volunteer at the squad. Councilman Brewer-Questioned
raised if they considered teaming up with Lake George?
Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-One of them is a volunteer from
Lake George. Councilman Brewer-If you could not get an ambulance
to where ever the thing was, the call was, Lake George would meet
you there and then there would be a bill from Lake George and I do
not want that to happen. Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-No. We
have done EDR with Lake George from our Squad. Lake George has
had the understanding with us that they do a call in our district our
community is not sent a bill. We have worked it that way for three
years. If we have to use Empire, Empire bills. Councilman Brewer-
We had an issue with physicals and immunizations where is that
money going to come from? Representative of No. Qsby. EMS-
Noted that they do hepatitis, at this point we do not do physicals and
all of that. Spoke to the Board regarding their fund raising and what
it is used for.
?? PROFESSIONAL OFFICE ZONE CHANGES
Executive Director Chris Round and Senior Planner Marilyn Ryba-
reviewed the sites throughout the Town as Professional Office- what
is left vacant is on Bay Road the Valente property the subdivision
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opposite us here of Mike O’Connor and a couple of partners and the
property that was just rezoned last Monday, Meath. Some of the
concerns as far as compatibility were, why do we allow a barber shop
or beauty shoe in a PO zone, do you want a barber shop in a
residential community? Noted the idea is not to leave your campus
setting and be able to get personal service business. Our suggestion
was to modify, limit that particular type of use making sure that it
was subordinate or complimentary to the principal use. Councilman
Strough-Here is where I was going, was that we were going to make
any type of residential such as a multi family as a special use permit
or limiting, we even drew up a resolution on it or as you suggested
eliminate it all together. I suggested a special use permit because it
would make you take an extra look at that. It gives direction to the
Planning Board that this has to be compatible with what is being
proposed with adjacent uses. Sr. Planner Marilyn Ryba-Discussed
with the Board special use permits, you can make them
conditional…can be reviewed every year a permit does not run with
the land continuously it runs for only as long as the Planning Board
wants to make it run. I do not see how you can do that with houses.
Councilman Strough-Noted he could not think of one where I would
want to see multi unit housing in those parcels that are zoned
professional office as they stand. Director Chris Round-The history is
that the multi family residential to begin with and the PO change a
growth process. Councilman Strough-I would rather see them
developed professional office and developed that way. Councilman
Brewer-Reviewed the various sites that have multi family next to
professional office. Councilman Strough-why don’t we have the PO
zoning without the residential in it. Director Chris Round-When you
get down to parcel specific issues with the zoning you are able to get
the hands around it and trying to make a decision and soon we will
have more new zones. If you look at what we have right now
Professional Office there are multi family housing and offices and
many urban areas are seen as very compatible. I would like to have
some clear direction tonight. Our recommendation was to not use a
special use permit to require for multi family housing in that zone we
said in two circumstances the concern was the use in the zone not
being compatible with adjacent residential uses or the use next to it
not being compatible with what is going on in the zone. Beautician is
not compatible with a single family residence next door, the I87 is
not compatible with the residential development, we think those are
really things that can be addressed at site plan. You do not need to
create a new permit requirement. Councilman Brewer-I do not have
a problem with multi family residential in a PO zone. Director Chris
Round-We have some consensus that subordinate use would be a
good direction to go if we drafted something that said personal
service business subordinate to a principal use ie. professional office
is acceptable. Sr. Planner Marilyn Ryba-By subordinating you get
past the fear of what I heard at the public hearings was then it is just
a hop skip and a jump to the next step which is the whole corner will
turn commercial, that was the fear even though it is not commercial.
Councilman Strough-Have a vision statement that no one is tied to,
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for professional office zoning. Director Chris Round-noted they will
prepare documents on those issues…the third issue Roger was an
advocate for special use permits for residential uses so that we would
not be putting homes next to the Northway. This is really the only
property that is next to the Northway and why create a special
condition for one property. Supervisor Stec and Councilman Brewer
agreed with Chris. Director Chris Round-The changes that we
suggested were two different ones, eliminate it all together and we
have concerns about that we would not be providing adequate
variety of housing types the second issue or alternative would be to
only allow where there is municipal sewer because you want high
density housing. Councilman Brewer-I would agree to sewering in
multi family but I don’t know if you could just eliminate in a zone.
Councilman Strough-Can we make multi family a percentage of the
proposal, cannot exceed twenty percent? Director Chris Round-I hear
support for don’t allow multi family unless you have sewer district.
There is an option in the PO zone you can either say professional
office only but if you have sewer you can look at multi family
housing, we might try incentify PO to occur in there to though, I
think that is the middle ground. Councilman Strough-We as a Town
should promote professional office because it brings in the better
paying jobs, it brings in the tax dollars without putting a burden on
the school and without putting an additional burden on town assets.
We do not want somebody to take a professional office zone and
make multi family out of it. Councilman Brewer-You do like Chris said
and make a percentage. Supervisor Stec-supported limiting the
personal service business to subordinate or complimentary to the
remaining use…I support taking action toward doing that. The site
plan is how to address the proximity to the Northway and there is
limited sites and they are both in the planning boards bailiwick
anyways. Councilman Strough-supported strengthening the vision
statement. Sr. Planner Marilyn Ryba-It makes sense to offer an
incentive for density when you have sewer.
?? MAIN STREET CONNECTOR
Director Chris Round-Two issues – Main Street Connector and Main
Street Survey property acquisition costs - Main Street Connector-
three options to how construct the Main Street Connector a. With
Federal Aid b. No Federal Aid c. Construction with Town Forces
Supervisor Stec-Noted he had spoken to Mike Travis and it was
related that they felt they could not do the job, they prefer not to be
one of the three options. Director Chris Round- A. Federal aid- the
cost of design goes up what is not in here is the process, it is a five
to six month design review process so time has increased with that.
Construction inspection is increased, full time inspection will ensure
you are getting the product that you designed. The Construction are
identical, prevailing wages for construction. We have met with
representatives of the I87 Corridor collation looking at I87 as an
international trade corridor. When we spoke to on Friday they said
this project is a very easily fundable project and that we would
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suggest on our priority list again not that you need more Federal Aid
for a project that you could fund yourselves but this is a project
because it is on the interstate because it connects a project where
we are spending twenty million dollars in State and Federal Aid on
Main Street and where it connects a build now New York Governor
Pataki site we can get you more money for this project. We will ask
for another five hundred thousand or eight hundred thousand for this
so we need to be clear if we do not want to pursue that kind of
funding lets not. Councilman Brewer-My objective is to see
something go there…I have been on this board for four and a half
years I am not seeing anything happening. Supervisor Stec-Could
you set a meeting at a workshop for a hundred and eighty thousand
dollars a year we should have some sort of face time with QEDC.
Director Round-Noted his frustration with this whole atmosphere that
nothing gets done and money goes for naught, projects like this site
development take time. Councilman Strough-questioned if they went
with Federal Aid how long would it take? Director Round-A five to six
month review process…It would be December before approval,
cannot start construction in December so it is going to be March of
05. Councilman Strough-We will save a hundred and forty one
thousand dollars and that is after Glens Falls and everybody pays us
if we go with the Federal Aid round. Supervisor Stec-What is the
difference of time between the two? Director Round-Again we cannot
do anything, where is the EMS squad? You cannot let a bid until you
have that under control. Supervisor Stec-So we are going to take the
Federal Aid. Will set up a meeting with QEDC. Director Round-What
I will come back to you again, with Federal Aid we need to hire the
engineer to do design services, and that would be sixty eight
thousand dollars scope of work that we will bring back to you for
approval. Will have a resolution to hire Barton and Loudice on June
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7 for scope of work with the Federal Aid option. Main Street
Survey property acquisition: Clough Harbors survey cost for taking
maps for each of the parcels involved with water, sewer and utilities
was $568.00 per parcel, Board requested alternate cost proposals,
VanDusen and Steves for $350.00 per parcel and Azimuth for
$325.00 per parcel. B&L recommends Azimuth at $325.00 I will have
that ready for the June meeting.
?? QEDC DISCUSSION
Supervisor Stec-Is it the pleasure of the Town Board for us to get a
progress/status report on the activities of the QEDC. If you guys
want one I will get you one.
Councilman Brewer-We should meet with them once or twice a year.
Councilman Strough-They can share that with us at the meeting.
Supervisor Stec-I will call and set a workshop in June or July.
?? SNOWMOBILE CLUB FUNDING
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Supervisor Stec-Received a letter asking for money, asked the Board
their feeling.
Board agreed that the Supervisor should write back and say no.
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RESOLUTION
Supervisor Stec-Sharon Borgos is going to be taking a vacation the week
after Memorial Day and having gone two days without anyone answering
the phone I think we need somebody to answer the phones. Proposed to the
Board for four days Tuesday through Friday of next week to hire somebody
at the rate of $10.00 an hour to answer phones and low level office items.
The money is in the budget it is not an issue, the resolution is due to the
familial relationship that it is a cousin.
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ENGAGEMENT OF JACLYN DUSEK TO
ASSIST TOWN SUPERVISOR
RESOLUTION NO. 283.2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHEREAS, the Town Supervisor’s Executive Assistant is taking vacation from
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June 1 through June 7 and the Town Supervisor needs a replacement to cover for her
during her vacation, and
WHEREAS, the Town Supervisor wishes to appoint Jaclyn Dusek, who happens
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to be his cousin, for the following days, June 1, 2, 3 and 4 at a rate of $10.00/hour.
WHEREAS, Town Policy requires that familial relationships be disclosed and the
Town Board must approve the appointment of Town employees’ relatives, and
WHEREAS, The Town Code of Ethics similarly requires disclosure of
relationships by blood or marriage before hiring, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board, except for Supervisor Stec who has abstained, has
considered the Supervisor’s request and agrees that such employment is appropriate and
necessary,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes the hiring of
Jaclyn Dusek to work in the Town Supervisor’s Office on a temporary basis, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that Jaclyn Dusek shall be paid a wage of $10.00 per hour to be
paid from the appropriate payroll account, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town
Supervisor, Town Budget Officer and/or Town Assessor to sign any documentation and
take any other action necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 24 day of May, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Brewer, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mr. Boor
ABSTAIN: Mr. Stec
?? EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION CALLING FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION NO. 284.2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Strough
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Turner
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby
moves into an Executive Session to discuss Town Surveyors and Fire
Company Membership.
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Duly adopted this 24 day of May, 2004 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec
NOES: None
ABSENT: Mr. Boor
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING EXECUTIVE SESSION AND SPECIAL
BOARD MEETING
RESOLUTION NO. 285.2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby
adjourns its Executive Session and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby adjourns its Special Session.
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Duly adopted this 24 day of May, 2004 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec
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NOES: None
ABSENT: Mr. Boor
Respectfully submitted,
Miss Darleen M. Dougher
Town Clerk-Queensbury