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06-27-2017 QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SECOND REGULAR MEETING JUNE 27, 2017 INDEX Site Plan No. 40-2017 William Rourke 1. Tax Map No. 289.10-1-13 Site Plan No. 44-2017 O'Reilly Auto Enterprises, LLC 2. Tax Map No. 302.7-1-28 Subdivision No. 11-2017 Michael Altare 15. PRELIMINARY STAGE Tax Map No. 309.17-1-2 Subdivision No. 12-2017 FINAL STAGE Site Plan No. 43-2017 Northeast Power Systems 18. Tax Map No. 308.20-1-6 Site Plan No. 46-2017 Lake George Campsites, LLC 22. Special Use Permit No. 9-2017 Tax Map No. 295.12-1-6 Discussion 7-2017 Boguslaw&Anna Bielecki 40. Tax Map No. 309.9-2-6 THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES (IF ANY) AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES. QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SECOND REGULAR MEETING JUNE 27, 2017 7:00 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT STEPHEN TRAVER, CHAIRMAN CHRIS HUNSINGER, VICE CHAIRMAN GEORGE FERONE, SECRETARY JAMIE WHITE DAVID DEEB BRAD MAGOWAN THOMAS FORD LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI MR. TRAVER-Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Planning Board meeting for the Town of Queensbury, NY. This is our second meeting for the month of June and lucky number 13 for 2017. We have no Administrative Items tonight. However, we do have under Old Business an application, William Rourke, Site Plan 40-2017 that I understand was tabled at the ZBA. MRS. MOORE-Correct. MR. TRAVER-And therefore we will need to table this evening to I believe August 22nd MRS. MOORE-It would be the second meeting, if that is August 22nd MR. FERONE-Yes. That's what the resolution reads. MRS. MOORE-Yes. MR. TRAVER-So that would be, I believe, August 22nd, and that was in order for the applicant to submit a revised design. MRS. MOORE-Yes. OLD BUSINESS: SITE PLAN NO. 40-2017 SEAR TYPE II WILLIAM ROURKE OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR LOCATION 21 JAY ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES A 1,935 SQ. FT. ADDITION TO EXISTING 494 SQ. FT. CAMP TO INCLUDE CRAWL SPACE FOR MECHANICALS AND AN ATTACHED GARAGE. PROJECT INCLUDES REMOVAL OF 300 SQ. FT. DETACHED GARAGE AND 60 SQ. FT. PORCH. PROJECT INCLUDES PERMEABLE PAVERS FOR DRIVEWAY. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-13-010 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ADDITIONS TO STRUCTURES SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE 1995 SEPTIC ALT.; AV 38- 2017 WARREN CO. REFERRAL N/A SITE INFORMATION CEA LOT SIZE .29 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 289.10-1-13 SECTION 179-13-010 MR. TRAVER-Does anyone have any questions or comments on that tabling? MR. FORD-No. MS. WHITE-No. MR. TRAVER-All right. Then I guess we're ready for the motion. MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 40-2017 WILLIAM ROURKE, Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption, seconded by Brad Magowan. Tabled until the August 22, 2017 Planning Board meeting with information due by July 17, 2017. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. Next on the agenda is one that we saw prior to it being referred to the ZBA, and that's O'Reilly Auto Enterprise, LLC, Site Plan 44-2017. And they are back with us this evening. SITE PLAN NO. 44-2017 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED O'REILLY AUTO ENTERPRISE, LLC AGENT(S) BOHLER ENGINEERING OWNER(S) J & T TSAI, INC. ZONING CI LOCATION 682 GLEN STREET APPLICANT PROPOSES 7,453 SQ. FT. AUTO PARTS RETAIL BUSINESS. PROJECT INCLUDES TEAR DOWN OF AN EXISTING BUILDING AND SITE WORK TO CREATE TWO PARKING AREAS — ONE ACCESS FROM RT. 9 AND ONE ACCESS FROM GLENDALE AVE. (THIS IS A CORNER LOT). PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, NEW COMMERCIAL USE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SEVERAL SIGN PERMITS, SEVERAL COMM. REST. ALTERATION PERMITS AS FRIENDLY'S AND AS FIT FOOD FAST, DISC 5-2017, AV 41-2017 WARREN CO. REFERRAL JUNE 2017 LOT SIZE .76 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 302.7-1-28 SECTION 179-3-040 JOSHUA O'CONNOR, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Laura, do you want to give us an update? MRS. MOORE-So again this applicant proposes a 7,453 square foot auto parts retail business. The applicant did receive the Zoning Board variances for parking and for setbacks, and there are no waivers requested from this project. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Well, thank you. Good evening. MR. O'CONNOR-Good evening. MR. TRAVER-Welcome back. MR. O'CONNOR-Thank you. Glad to be back. Simple update on where we stand versus last week. As Laura said, we, following referral, attended the ZBA. I made the presentation again and we're grateful to receive our variances. Prior to the meeting last week we did receive correspondence from Chazen and review of our stormwater. We have been working with Rick Adams and Sean Doty at Chazen to resolve the issues that they mentioned which were not substantial in scope. There will be minor change to the site to accommodate the change and it's a connection from the proposed structure. MR. TRAVER-It had to do with the stormwater. MR. O'CONNOR-To this proposed structure, and then some minor changes to the grading. We show a high point here. We're now shifting that high point closer to the road so we capture more of that drainage so we can retain it and decrease the rate to the State right of way, but aside from those changes, most of those, most of the comments are addressed in the stormwater pollution prevention plan and not addressed in, well, in this case stormwater management report, pardon me, I misspoke, and aren't really reflected on the drawings. MR. TRAVER-1 see. Okay. MR. O'CONNOR-Aside from that, the plan is as we discussed last week and if the Board has any additional questions, I'd be happy to address them. MR. TRAVER-Very good. Thank you. MR. O'CONNOR-Thank you. MR. TRAVER-Any questions from members of the Board? MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, I have one, if no one's speaking. Do you have a sprinkler system in your building? MR. O'CONNOR-They do sprinkle their space, yes. MR. MAGOWAN-All right. So that's the need for the large water tank? MR. O'CONNOR-That's correct. MR. MAGOWAN-I'm trying to think, unless they sprinkle it, what's two toilets and a sink going to cause? MR. O'CONNOR-No, we have a very low water demand on a general basis, but they are required to sprinkle that. MR. MAGOWAN-Okay. That's all I had. MR. FERONE-In your pre-submission meeting I had this discussion, but my concern was with Glendale Drive. It's a very narrow street. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. MR. FERONE-We talked a little bit about deliveries. I think you had indicated, I was concerned about, you know, a large trailer, tractor trailer type truck getting in there. I think originally you said that that wouldn't be the case. I'm looking to confirm that. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. So Chris Boyea here. I was here in attendance as well. He made the presentation, and that discussion did happen, and we do have the ability to confirm that large tractor trailers are not going to be distributing to this site, and we can do that because we're providing the distribution site not from a regional distribution center that you can see dispatching a large truck, but from another store in Colonie. MR. FERONE-And is that store already in existence? MR. O'CONNOR-That store is nearing completion of its permitting as well, and they're attempting to get that building constructed, operational prior to the other stores in the Capital District going into business, but they don't actually have a plan for distribution to each store from there. Essentially Eastern Ohio distribution facility, that's not how they're set up to operate. So there will be a truck driving up from Albany. It will be sized appropriately for every other day type of delivery. MR. FERONE-And the other concern I had was, I forget how many parking spaces you had there, 20 some odd spaces. I wouldn't want to see cars parking on Glendale. I don't know what we can do with that, no parking or whatever there, but going on that, I drive on that road, and you just about can get two cars past on that road. We're talking about I think in your first meeting a box truck. So a box truck going up that road is not going to allow another car to get by, and then if you have people who want to park along there, in case, you know, your parking lot gets full, that's going to be a major problem. MR. O'CONNOR-Okay. We are providing a widened shoulder toward the rear of the facility, and that's actually to accommodate the turning movements and we calculate for the smaller trucks to be sure that we could get those on there. I think that will alleviate, to an extent. If it pleases the Board, we'd be happy to provide signage to prohibit parking on Glendale as well. MR. FERONE-Because that indentation almost to me if you look at it invites people to park in there. MR. O'CONNOR-An attractive opportunity. I think some signage along to indicate no parking on Glendale would be appropriate. We can take care of that. MR. HUNSINGER-1 have a question on the lighting plan. MR. O'CONNOR-Sure. MR. HUNSINGER-On your luminaire schedule you show five Item A's, which is a pole mounted light, but I could only find one on the actual plan itself. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes, I don't have that one up here. MR. HUNSINGER-There's just that one down in the front, and then unless I missed something. MR. O'CONNOR-Well, and I'll be honest, sir. The lighting consultant is through the architect. So usually I have a very tactile understanding of what we have on the plan. In this case I don't. I do believe it to be the five fixtures as labeled there, but I couldn't offhand tell you where they are. I only show the one here, and I believe that this point that's all. MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, there's really just two poles and then the rest are on the building. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. There are, we do show the additional sconces on the building. MR. MAGOWAN-Did they mean that there's also wall packs on there, too? MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, there's wall packs. MR. MAGOWAN-Down lighting or so many wall packs, too? MR. O'CONNOR-1 have done a number of these presentations and they generally do have four or five light fixtures on the site. MR. HUNSINGER-1 now see that there's four of B, and it only shows one quantity on the plan. MR. O'CONNOR-I'll make a note for clarification on that. MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. I also had a question on the landscaping plan. To George's comment, I think your landscaping plan will, once the bushes are mature, it will kind of discourage people from parking on outlet. My question is I'd like to see a street tree. We do have a requirement to have street trees on major thoroughfares. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. MR. HUNSINGER-And there's certainly room in the front of the property to have one. I don't know if anyone else. MR. TRAVER-Especially if they're changing the elevation of things. MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. MR. O'CONNOR-I'm writing down here we'll provide a street tree. MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. MR. O'CONNOR-It will probably need to be closer to the Enterprise Rent-A-Car so that we don't put it in the right of way. I think once we're over here we have an issue with permitting and planting maintenance and all of that with the State. We'd rather not have to ask for it. So I can definitely place one on the other side. MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, I don't have a strong preference for where it should be. MS. WHITE-Nice, Chris. Very nice. MR. TRAVER-All right. Anything else from the Board at this stage? We do have a public hearing on this application. Are there members of the audience that would like to comment on this application to the Planning Board? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED AUDIENCE MEMBER-There's three of us here. We own houses on that street. MR. TRAVER-If you could come on up. Thank you for coming up to the table. We like to make sure we get everything on the record. So it needs to be recorded. STARR BAKER MS. BAKER-Thank you. Thank you for inviting us, giving us the mailing. My name is Starr Baker. I own the Baker Funeral Homes. I'm sorry I've been out mowing and cleaning today, but I also have purchased 2 Glendale, 4 Glendale, and 5 Glendale. So I own, basically, that dead end street. At one time I did own their house as well. So I'm very familiar with 8 Glendale as well. My big concern is, although the 2, 4, and 5 are new to me, like I said I'm very familiar with that street. There are tenants with little kids, kids with training wheels riding their bike on that dead end street. This is what they've known, ever since they've lived there, according to Meta Murray who was the previous owner of the three parcels before. She as well has grandchildren on that street. We're highly concerned of, he's saying no tractor trailers and no big trucks, just small box trucks. However, there's good sized trucks coming from Glen Street into FedEx for just a little, I don't want to say small restaurant, but it's not like a large Golden Corral type of thing there. So given the size of the property, the size of the building that's there now, they want to now construct a building to be three times the size, and I'm just concerned that they want to access with Glendale. I feel that with a little more thought and planning they could make the building maybe longer and narrower. They're coming in off of Glen Street then go back onto Glen Street. Is there a reason? Ninety percent of the properties with businesses on Glen Street don't have a sidewinding dead end street. This is a little unusual. They're kind of taking advantage of that, which I don't blame them. We want them there. We welcome the new store no problem. Our big concern is safety with our children. It is basically a residential street, even though it is zoned for commercial use. It's known no commercial use other than Carl Cedrone and the other business in the front, the old Friendly's. I feel that they could, they're coming in off of Glen, there's a way that they could turn around and go back out Glen. That's my concern. If not, the only remedy I can think is the Town needs to help us put sidewalks. There's no lighting on that street. That's another big concern. I do understand, when I talked to National Grid, because I had just cleaned up that property when I just purchased it. We actually have grass growing, more area for kids to play. According to the planner of National Grid, the new proposal is planning on changing the power lines, doing substantial changes there. I'd like to be involved in what they're doing because I'm sure it's going to change some of my poles as well, one being right next to 2 Glendale. So I don't know if it shows where the poles are. You just mentioned there's not a lot addressed to lighting right now. So I don't know if it's their responsibility. MR. TRAVER-They gave us detail with regards to their site. MS. BAKER-Just their site. Right. MR. TRAVER-That's correct, yes, because they can't really represent what another origination would or would not do. MS. BAKER-Exactly. Like National Grid or what the Town could do for lighting or putting in sidewalks. I understand that's not their responsibility, but I feel that something, if this goes through, then there needs to be another commitment somewhere else down the line, like I said, to put in lighting and sidewalks. Otherwise I really feel with all the tenants I plan on putting in. I will be before you soon putting in three more apartments into Glendale Drive. There's two upstairs. My goal is to put, they're already started from years ago, just to kind of finish them up and the old store maybe. So there's going to be more kids. There's going to be more residential there versus what there is now. No problem again business on Glen Street, but I'm really hoping they can stick to the vehicles coming from Glen into their property and going out Glen. MR. DEEB-Starr, could I ask you a question? MS. BAKER-Sure. MR. DEEB-Do they have any commercial truck traffic on that Glendale Avenue now? MS. BAKER-There is none. MR. DEEB-So the restaurant never had anybody come in from that side? MS. BAKER-The restaurant does have deliveries, but they're coming in Glen and they're going out Glen. MR. DEEB-So they never went down that road? MS. BAKER-They do not go down that road. I even asked my tenant, because I was not that familiar, but according to the two tenants at 2A and 2B, both said that they come, and right now there's plenty of room to come in on the side, they flip around the back and they go back out. That's the way I understand it. So I'm hoping the new people can do that as well. MR. TRAVER-Glendale itself is basically something less than two lanes. Right? MS. BAKER-It is very narrow. In fact my tenants now are used to parking right in front of 2 Glendale. If you know it's a long narrow white building, and then there's a 90 degree angle of the red addition on the back. So what the tenants are doing now is just parking basically on the street, and they said in the winter of course they have to park elsewhere. So another reason I'm planning where 2 ends and before 4, to do like a driveway back in there because it already came with a garage that now I'm utilizing and I want to do parking on my own property back there. So there will be no more street parking or utilizing the Friendly's or FedEx, FX3 whatever now. So we are in transition ourselves there, but again I'm hoping for safety reasons the can really reconsider one way in, one way out utilizing Glen. All right. Thank you so much. MR. TRAVER-Thanks for coming. EVELYN SHEERER MS. SHEERER-And basically we both own the house at the end of that street. MR. TRAVER-Could I ask you to start with your name? MS. SHEERER-My name is Evelyn Sheerer. Okay. I looked at that residence three different times before I would even buy it because of its location. I thought, you know, I don't want to be living on a busy street. So they had like a residential area, but every time I went back there it was beautiful. It was quiet back there. It was nice. It was made for a family to live in that house. So we did a lot of work on it. We bought it. We fixed it up even more. We made it something we really, really wanted for my grandchildren, for everybody, the neighbors have been nice. It's been a nice quiet wonderful place to live. The only problem we've ever had is when people go to the restaurants, they don't realize that's a dead end road. Now the trucks never come down that road. The trucks don't use that road. I have never seen the trucks doing it when they go in and out of the restaurants. MR. TRAVER-But patrons of the restaurant do. MS. SHEERER-Do. They have to come down, and of course they end up in our driveway, and they are always turning around. We had a stop sign at the end, that the Town had put at our house years before we even owned it, and I asked the Town, could you move it up just to the end of that parking lot. Well they moved it all the way up to the end of the road. So people still will come down, especially in the wintertime, not realizing and think that they're going to cut over all the time, and it's just customers. It's not the trucks. MR. TRAVER-And how late was the restaurant typically open at night? MRS. SHEERER-They were open until 8:30, 9:00 o'clock or something like that. So people would turn around. It would have helped with a stop sign, but our main concern is we don't want trucks coming down there. We don't want trucks parking on Lafayette Street because the road isn't big enough. If somebody parks, like if they have company and they park, we have to go off the road just to go down the street to get to where our property is. So it is a problem with two cars coming and going, and in the wintertime with the snow it's even shorter, and when they do plow, we have given them permission. They do plow that road. They go around our tree and dump it over our hill on our property because they have nowhere to push that plow in the winter, you know, the snow I the wintertime. So, I mean, I think we are being nice and saying yes, go ahead, we know that's a problem, but we just don't want more added problems that will change that area that we fell in love within the first place. MR. TRAVER-Sure. A natural concern. MS. SHEERER-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Thank you very much. Good evening. MARK SCHNEIDER MR. SCHNEIDER-Hello. Good evening. I'm Mark Schneider. I co-owner the property at 8 Glendale Drive with Evelyn, and we've been there 13, 14 years now, and we do like it very much. It's forever wild behind our property, which that property joins where the firehouse is, and then along the side, Halfway Brook runs through our property on one side, and it's nice, and even though because of where it is it's zoned commercial, but it's mostly residential. MR. TRAVER-Now behind you you're saying that's forever wild. Is that part of Hovey Pond? MR. SCHNEIDER-Yes. Actually the pond used to be on our property until they dug it out where the park is now, and then the pond receded and just Halfway Brook runs through there now, but we have, part of our property we could probably grow tin cans if we wanted to because the soil is so rich, but one big problem is so often just because of the little restaurant which we didn't mind. We knew was there when we bought the place, it wasn't a problem, but the traffic she says coming down and more times than not it seems like they don't care about driving over the property. They'll drive over the grass to turn around. MR. TRAVER-Yes. Well, they get stuck, they go down and they don't realize. MR. SCHNEIDER-If they wanted to be careful they could utilize the driveway. It's "L" shaped, but they don't bother. They just figure we'll drive over their lawn, and so that's somewhat annoying. I'm not so much opposed to a business being there because I realize it's commercial, but we would like to limit the size and the traffic, and there are, as they said, a number of children that are there. Other than that, I think the ladies pretty much expressed whatever else I would say. So thank you for your time. MR. TRAVER-Thank you. MS. SHEERER-And may I just say one more thing? MR. TRAVER-Yes. MS. SHEERER-Like what he said, it is an actual wildlife area right in there behind our property and along the side of our property, too. We own part of it, it's natural wildlife, and we cannot even put a building on it ourselves, you know, so it's really, and we do have amazing animals that live right in there, and I'm just wondering if all this more development is going to even frighten them away and take their natural habitat away that Queensbury was concerned about having there in the first place. So I just want you to understand that is a really wonderful little area there for people and even the wildlife there. MR. SCHNEIDER-We had like six deer in our yard one time. MS. SHEERER-Every year, and foxes. MR. TRAVER-All right. Is there anyone else in the audience that wanted to make comment on this application? MRS. MOORE-1 do have a written comment. MR. TRAVER-Okay. I'm not seeing anyone in the audience. You have a written comment? MRS. MOORE-1 do. Okay. So this is addressed to myself. It says, "Would you please be so kind as to read this into the record on Tuesday night. My name is Carl Cedrone and I am a partner in the ownership of 686 Upper Glen St. and my Edward Jones Investment office is located there across Glendale Drive from the proposed O'Reilly Auto Parts Store. The use of Glendale Drive as the sole access to the rear parking lot concerns me for the following reasons: - Young children use this road to access the School bus in the early morning and afternoon and there are no sidewalks on this narrow road. Their safety is my primary concern. —Also I have many elderly clients who use the road to access my parking lot and I don't believe it to be wide enough for two midsize cars, especially not for delivery trucks and cars. I do not believe access to the rear lot should only be from Glendale Drive. Please keep in mind that there are many other businesses on Glen that do well with only one access point to their lot for both deliveries and customers from Glen Street only. Thank you for the opportunity to have my comments read into the record. Carl Cedrone" MR. TRAVER-Thank you. No other written comments? MRS. MOORE-No. MR. TRAVER-Okay. We'll close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. TRAVER-We'll ask the applicant to return to the table. So you heard the public comment. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes, I did, and I think they're fair and reasonable comments. I would like to take the opportunity to address them. I think first and foremost recognizing that there is a narrow street, and adhering to the design guideline which actually does direct us, for this area, does direct us to segregate customer entrances and delivery and staff entrances, in an effort to reduce curb cuts. Granted it, which we are reducing the total width of curb cuts, but it does actually direct us to segregate those two, which was considered. As far as reconfiguring the site for access on Glen, we did look at various configurations in the outlay here. One of the major issues with that is an increase of impervious cover, and without a subsequent increase in usability of the site we'd end up having to provide a lot of pavement and then wouldn't be able to realize any benefit to it. It would purely be for circulation. It would increase the pervious cover in the area and would allow us to not realize the benefit of actually providing a greener site than is there today. MR. TRAVER-1 understand. If I may, let me ask about the rear area. Do I recall from your initial presentation that that was intended only for deliveries and staff. You're not going to have any customer parking back there. MR. O'CONNOR-That is correct. Yes. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Well would you stipulate that if we condition that on no customer parking in the rear? MR. O'CONNOR-To the extent it's enforceable we can provide a sign. MR. FORD-How would it be enforceable? MR. O'CONNOR-1 would expect that you would have an errant customer at times parking there even with the sign. That's not where the entrance is. We do provide our signage eon the road which is what, most people don't attempt to park at the rear of a location. MR. TRAVER-Yes, I mean, I probably would tend to want to pull in in the front of the store, but if they have people at a restaurant of course it would be a different situation, you do have errant drivers that use that. MR. FORD-They're using it right now without even having your site. MR. O'CONNOR-Right, well, they may also be pulling past the restaurant and leaving the restaurant attempting to get somewhere else. They're local people who think, well, maybe I can go through, you know, this'll cut through. I think that may be part of it, but noted there is not a dead end sign there. We'd be happy to provide signage that indicates it's not a through road beyond our parking, beyond our access. MR. TRAVER-Yes, I mean, if you could put maybe a sign saying children playing, a sign saying dead end, maybe a sign in the rear, something like truck parking only or no customer parking. I mean there are going to be people, unfortunately, that won't pay attention to that, but I think that, you know, I mean, from my own personal experience, if I am utilizing parts store for parts because I'm servicing my vehicle, I tend to return to the same one. I don't tend to go to five different parts stores. So I think once you have a customer base people will get to know the layout of your site and hopefully will understand, but certainly if there's nothing there now and people are not from the area whatever, I mean,just having a dead end sign or no through traffic, children playing, would be helpful in any case. MR. O'CONNOR-1 think we could achieve a benefit above and beyond the situation today if that restaurant was operating at full capacity, I think we could achieve a benefit to the neighborhood. MR. TRAVER-Now one of the, how late in the evening are you open? MR. O'CONNOR-It's open until 9 o'clock, and just so everyone's aware, our parking facility only functions without, or our delivery facility only functions without vehicles parked in that lot. Deliveries will all be made after hours. It's not that, you know, it's one truck every other day at three days, but it's not, it doesn't coincide with peak traffic times and peak trip time. It also doesn't coincide with our customer times. So they're, and the drivers have a key to the building. We don't expect to have any staff there. All the delivery drivers are O'Reilly's employees. They have access to the building. They make their deliveries off hours and they leave. So I don't expect that there will be delivery incident with other vehicles in the parking lot, other people on the road. We do expect those things to happen after nine o'clock. MR. FORD-Deliveries, however, will be, access and egress will be via Glen Street only, or this side street? MR. O'CONNER-Through the side street. MR. FORD-And the reason for that is? MR. O'CONNOR-They've segregated their delivery operation to the door at the rear of the facility. MR. FORD-You can't get to the rear from the front. MR. O'CONNOR-That's correct. They could go through the front, but I don't think. MR. FORD-At nine o'clock at night? What's to prevent that? MR. O'CONNOR-Well, they would have to then find a way to turn and get back out of that parking lot. It's the same driver on a route, generally speaking. MR. FORD-With a box truck? MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. MR. FORD-Is it that much of a challenge? MR. MAGOWAN-No, usually what happens, things come in on a pallet, a pallet jack, and they've got the bigger doors out back. I mean, I've seen the operation, how they do it. So they'll come in, take a pallet jack and use the fold up top lid for the small stuff. You don't get a lot of UPS deliveries. You don't get a lot of overnight stuff. Correct? Most of it comes from the Albany store. MR. O'CONNOR-That's right. They actually don't do deliveries in that. They don't order UPS to their store. They distribute their own parts, and they supply their own parts to the local store. If there was a call, an emergency, and they needed something more discreet we didn't have in the store, they would run that from the Capital District. They'd run that from Colonie. They wouldn't run it from this location. MR. TRAVER-Now what about your deliveries to the Chevy dealer or the calls and needs a spark plug right away? Are you going to have one of those little, like a small pickup? MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. I believe they'll have one or two of those vehicles. MR. TRAVER-And those would be able to be operated from the front of the store. MR. O'CONNOR-They could, yes. MR. FORD-That won't necessarily happen. MR. O'CONNOR-That won't necessarily happen. I expect that wouldn't be their intention, as I understand their operational kind of plan, and this is the layout we do at all of our stores. We do two entrances. We're actually having a problem with East Greenbush with our, Rob's there tonight. O'Reilly won't do less than two entrances because they're looking to decrease their liability, their interaction with their customers. They don't want these trucks using the same entrance. They want to separate, they want to segregate those activities. MR. DEEB-So if I heard you correctly, then, you will have three deliveries per week. MR. O'CONNOR-It could be as many as five, but it depends on the season. MR. DEEB-Or one a day. MR. O'CONNOR-Not necessarily. I guess the store is open. There's potential for that. If it ends up being incredibly successful, I would expect more, but in the normal operational paradigm here, you're looking at three to five. MR. DEEB-Per week? MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. MR. DEEB-And so it's going to get minimal use, that's what I'm thinking. MR. O'CONNOR-The rear entrance? MR. DEEB-Yes. MR. O'CONNOR-For a delivery truck, yes. I would expect minimal use. MR. DEEB-It's not like there's going to be heavy traffic every day going through there, and that should make a little bit of a difference. As far as auto parts stores go, I really believe that the traffic there is going to be less than what the restaurant generated, you know, a lot less. MR. O'CONNOR-1 can't speak to the restaurant that's there today. I don't have any studies that indicate, or information that indicates how well it operated at its peak, but when we do traffic calcs and simulations on this, our expectation is that it performs at its peak capacity. So when Friendly's was new and everyone wanted to go there, you know, this is going to be significantly lower load than that., which, you know, we look at this in a real statistical model kind of way. We generate less traffic than a restaurant. I can't speak to that restaurant, but than a restaurant. MR. DEEB-When I drive by, let's say Auto Zone, I rarely, rarely see more than 10 cars in that parking lot. MR. FORD-Or less, yes. MR. DEEB-Or less at one time. Rarely, even Advanced Auto Parts, in that huge parking lot, the number of customers going in to Advanced I would say generates even 15 or fewer cars. MR. O'CONNOR-Well, the one from a parking lot usage perspective, this is not a store where people linger and shop. That's not the type of operation. It's a 10 minute, 15 minute stop max. It's not a mall. MR. DEEB-Okay. Thank you. MR. O'CONNOR-But to address another comment, I can look again, I'm obviously going to need to address our lighting to verify that it is correct. MR. TRAVER-It's got to match what's on the plans. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. We would be more than willing to provide alight that does provide some light on Glendale if it's something that, you know, we can do that on our property and obviously maintain that if it's desirable. MR. TRAVER-Well, the only, we're in a bit of a catch 22 1 think with that, because now we have light from your application that's leaving the site. So, Laura, what about that. MR. DEEB-You can't have spillage. MRS. MOORE-Right. You're not. MR. HUNSINGER-It's a nice offer. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. O'CONNOR-1 have been required by other municipalities to provide lighting on side streets, and again, not to change the subject. This did occur to me, the comments about the reconfiguration of the utilities at the rear. I do have information to address that. So our client did reach out to National Grid to determine the feasibility of a reconfiguration of the poles. What we actually did was reconfigure the site to avoid having to do that. That type of work, aside from being incredibly costly, is really long, timely, and it turns out that that's actually a pretty substantial distribution set of poles there. MR. TRAVER-It is. MR. O'CONNOR-It's not just, you know, to serve a few businesses, you know, it's a major undertaking to revise that. So we shifted the building and our parking to avoid it. So that's not on the table. Right? MR. FORD-Signage is going to be really important. MR. TRAVER-Yes, the signage on Glendale that we discussed earlier, you know, the children playing. MR. FERONE-The no customer parking. MR. TRAVER-The no customer parking. MR. FERONE-Dead end or no through traffic. MR. FORD-The Glendale drive in at the rear that there are no turns allowed out to Glen Street. MR. TRAVER-Well, it's a dead end. So dead end, no outlet. MR. FORD-But signage indicating the dead end or not outlet. MR. TRAVER-Yes, right. Yes, it looks like the two, with regards to that, the notes reflect a dead end, a sign saying dead end or a sign saying no through traffic. I don't know which would be better. Dead end I think is more common. I think people will see that. MR. MAGOWAN-Or no outlet. That's another one. MR. O'CONNOR-There's an METCE standard for a dead end sign. It's a diamond, yellow and black, with a white, a no outlet placard in white underneath it on the same. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So you have both. Good. MR. O'CONNOR-1 would think that would be appropriate. It also has a small red triangle at the top. MR. TRAVER-And you're going to add no parking signs along the side of the road on the building side. MR. O'CONNOR-So I actually, let me, I've kept a list going here. So I have a sign for children playing. MR. TRAVER-Well, you'll hear it all when we do our resolution. MR. O'CONNOR-Children at play, just so we're all on the same page. Children at play, some municipalities take that a different way, and I'm fine with either, but I have been told that it can be taken as description of a safe place for children to play, that it might encourage play. It's something to consider. I'm fine with either. MR. TRAVER-Well, I think the only, in this case, the only children potentially involved would be children that we're speaking of, because it is a commercial area. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. MR. TRAVER-But, Laura, do you have any guidance on that for a children at play sign? MR. FERONE-Doesn't it say beware children? MR. DEEB-Yes, don't they have a sign that says caution? MRS. MOORE-Caution, children. I guess my concern is you don't, in some particular areas you don't necessarily want to announce that there's children back there. So that would be my concern. MR. MAGOWAN-That's a good point. MRS. MOORE-So I think the traffic issue is the primary issue, getting that, making sure that people are not. MR. TRAVER-The dead end is more important than saying hey, there's children back here. MRS. MOORE-Yes. Just my thought. MR. FORD-Good idea. MR. HUNSINGER-There's a children at play sign on Tee Hill Road and I don't think it really has any effect on traffic. MR. O'CONNOR-1 can speak to specific experience. I'm a village board myself, and after we installed those signs, kids played in the road, and it was on a dead end as well. Before we installed those signs they did not play in the road. MR. TRAVER-All right. Strike that. So then we're looking at dead end or the industry standard version of it that you spoke of. MR. FORD-No access. MR. TRAVER-Yes. No customer access also. MR. FERONE-Yes, no parking in the rear. I would imagine that would be a sign you would want on the building. MR. MAGOWAN-1 think that's a little overkill. MR. TRAVER-And then no parking along the area where you're going to be, in effect, widening the road. MR. O'CONNOR-That is correct. MR. TRAVER-We're also going to condition on no customer parking in that rear lot. So you're going to be directed that that only be used for employees and your inventory control. MR. FORD-No exit, something like that, but allowing the deliveries. MR. TRAVER-You mean from the rear lot? Well, except that there aren't supposed to be any customers back there. There's going to be a sign saying that they can't go back there. If you're a customer and by some, because you can't read or you don't know any better, you end up back there, and then you try to get out and you see a sign saying no exit, now what are you going to do? Drive across Mark's lawn probably. MR. MAGOWAN-1 think you're all overthinking this. What's there now is you can enter off of Glen, go around the back of the building and then go out to go either direction for the people that don't know. I'm going to say 99% of the people are going to come to the front, and the one that goes closer to the rear, they might not want them in their store. MR. TRAVER-Yes, well, especially if they go by all these signs. MR. MAGOWAN-Right, but I mean I think you're overthinking it with the signs. I don't want to post it from the tip to the toe. I mean, you might want to throw up so no trespassing and no hunting, too, all right. MR. TRAVE R-Especially if there's deer back there. All right. So let's review where we're at one more time on the signs. We have a no parking signs, you stuck with the industry standard on a dead end type of sign. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes. MR. TRAVER-No customer parking in rear. The no parking signs on the side, that's your facility's side, and that's it. So are we okay with that? And then again the stipulation that the rear end of the building only be used for employees and deliveries. Any other questions or comments from members of the Board? MRS. MOORE-Mr. Chairman, did you include you're adding a street tree? MR. TRAVER-Yes, thank you. I think he's got that. MR. FERONE-I've got that. MRS. MOORE-And then confirming for the lighting. MR. FERONE-Clarification on the lighting. MRS. MOORE-Okay. MR. TRAVER-Yes, he's got that. I was still debating about the no hunting signs. MR. HUNSINGER-Deer crossing. MR. TRAVER-Deer crossing, even better. MS. BAKER-Is it open to the public again for another comment? MR. TRAVER-No, it is not. We did close the public hearing. Yes. We have a draft resolution in work. In the meantime we've talked a bit about the engineering. You know that an engineering signoff is required. So you'll need to do that. It did look like they're mostly technical and minor engineering. We also have a State Environmental Quality Review Act to perform on this and you did submit information on that, the Short EAF. Do members of the Planning Board have any concerns of environmental nature that would impact on SEQR with this Site Plan? MR. FORD-Not anymore. MR. TRAVER-I have none. All right. Well then we'll entertain a SEQRA motion. RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEQR DECLARATION SP #44-2017 O'REILLY AUTO The applicant proposes a 7,453 sq. ft. auto parts retail business. Project includes tear down of an existing building and site work to create two parking areas — one access from Rt. 9 and one access from Glendale Ave. (this is a corner lot). Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, new commercial use shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act; The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury; No Federal or other agencies are involved; Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant; Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued. MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN 44-2017 O'REILLY AUTO ENTERPRISE, LLC, Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption. As per the resolution prepared by staff. 1. Part II of the Short EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board. 2. Part III of the Short EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify potentially moderate to large impacts. Motion seconded by Chris Hunsinger. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. So we can now address the Site Plan motion. Parking was addressed already. Signage has been addressed. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP #44-2017 O'REILLY AUTO ENTERPRISE, LLC The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for Site Plan approval pursuant to Article 9 of the Town zoning Ordinance for: Applicant proposes 7,453 sq. ft. auto parts retail business. Project includes tear down of an existing building and site work to create two parking areas — one access from Rt. 9 and one access from Glendale Ave. (this is a corner lot). Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, new commercial use shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation; The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 06/27/2017 and continued the public hearing to 06/27/2017, when it was closed, The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 06/27/2017; The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval, MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 44-2017 O'REILLY AUTO ENTERPRISE, LLC; Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption; Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions: 1) No waivers were requested: 2) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution. a) If application was referred to engineering, then engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; b) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site improvements, c) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel; d) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work; e) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; f) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy; g) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible. h) That there will be no parking signs to be installed on Glendale Drive i) Clarification of the lighting plan is required to correct the table. j) A street tree along Glen Street placed on the south side of the front green space. k) Either a dead end or no outlet sign installed I) No customer parking signs in the rear Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: MR. FERONE-A street tree along Glen Street placed on the south side of the front green space. MR. DEEB-Is it the north side or south side? MR. FERONE-His side of the property, that would be the south side. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes, the south side is the one we can do easily. MR. DEEB-I think you said north. MR. TRAVER-No, he didn't say north. We didn't specify. MR. FERONE-The tree is on the north side. MR. MAGOWAN-The only question the no parking signs in the back, no customer parking signs. MR. FERONE-No customer parking in the rear. Okay. Maria, do you want me to read that over? MS. GAGLIARDI-No. MR. FERONE-Okay. MR. TRAVER-All right. Everyone clear on that motion? MRS. MOORE-I do have a question on your lighting. You wanted to clarify lighting, but clarify that it's compliant or clarify that it's, there's a certain number of poles? MR. HUNSINGER-Correct the table. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MRS. MOORE-Okay. Correct the table. AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-AII right. Thank you. Allright. Next we have Subdivision Preliminary Stage 11- 2017 and Subdivision Final Stage 12-2017 for Michael Altare. SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY STAGE 11-2017 SUBDIVISION FINAL STAGE 12-2017 MICHAEL ALTARE OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR LOCATION 88 & 92 EAGAN ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TO SUBDIVIDE A 4.04 ACRE PARCEL INTO TWO LOTS — LOT 1 TO BE 2.02 ACRES TO MAINTAIN EXISTING BUILDINGS AND HOUSE & LOT 2 TO BE 2.02 ACRES TO REMAIN VACANT FOR FUTURE HOME. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 183 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SUBDIVISION OF LAND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE 1993 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, AV 40-2017 WARREN CO. REFERRAL N/A FOR SUBDIVISIONS LOT SIZE 4.04 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 309.17-1-2 SECTION CHAPTER 183 MICHAEL ALTARE & CHRIS BELL, PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Laura? MRS. MOORE-Okay. The applicant proposes the subdivision of a 4.04 acres parcel into two parcels, both lots to be 2.02 acres. Lot One will maintain the existing buildings on the site, and Lot Two will remain vacant. In the near future the applicant proposes a home, and the applicant has provided a letter in the file that indicates that they can place a septic and well on the site, and I can relay information. There was a neighbor at the Zoning Board meeting that had questions about the location of the septic and the well in relation to their house to make sure that it was compliant. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. ALTARE-I'm Mike Altare, 92 Eagan Road. MR. BELL-And I'm Chris Bell. MR. TRAVER-Okay. And you were granted your variance. Do you have anything to add to the Staff report at this time? I know we were talking about a road that was there. I was thinking about a story that I was reading about the man that never was. Did you ever hear that story about World War II? So here we have the road that never was. So it seemed fairly straightforward. Does anyone have any questions for the applicant at this stage? Okay. This is SEQR Unlisted. So we do have a State Environmental Quality Review Act. Does anyone have any environmental concerns by the creating of this subdivision? MRS. MOORE-You'll need to open the public hearing. MR. TRAVER-I'm sorry. Thank you. We do have a public meeting on this application. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted to address the Planning Board on this application? I'm not seeing anyone. Do we have written comments, Laura? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED MRS. MOORE-There's no written comments. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. TRAVER-And to address SEAR, does anyone have any environmental concerns regarding the creation of this subdivision? Okay. We'll entertain that motion. RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEQR DECLARATION SUB. # 12-2017 ALTARE The applicant proposes to subdivide a 4.04 acre parcel into two lots — Lot 1 to be 2.02 acres to maintain existing buildings and house & Lot 2 to be 2.02 acres to remain vacant for future home. Pursuant to Chapter 183 of the Zoning Ordinance, subdivision of land shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act; The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury; No Federal or other agencies are involved; Part 1 of the Long EAF has been completed by the applicant; Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued. MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SUBDIVISION FINAL STAGE 12- 2017 MICHAEL ALTARE, Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption. As per the resolution prepared by staff. 1. Part II of the Long EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board. 2. Part III of the Long EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify potentially moderate to large impacts. Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right, and so next we have the Preliminary Subdivision. MRS. MOORE-And you should note in your Preliminary, as part of your resolution, the applicant is asking for waivers from stormwater and grading, and the applicant has requested a waiver from Sketch. MR. FERONE-Is that waiver for the Preliminary? MRS. MOORE-For the Preliminary Stage. As part of your resolution, you can potentially grant the stormwater and grading request as part of his waiver. MR. FERONE-So we're going to grant the waivers. MRS. MOORE-That's up to you. MR. TRAVER-Yes, I say yes, let's grant the waivers. RESOLUTION APPROVING SUBDIVISION # 11-2017 PRELIM. STG. MICHAEL ALTARE A subdivision application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following: Applicant proposes to subdivide a 4.04 acre parcel into two lots — Lot 1 to be 2.02 acres to maintain existing buildings and house & Lot 2 to be 2.02 acres to remain vacant for future home. Pursuant to Chapter 183 of the Zoning Ordinance, subdivision of land shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter A-183, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; The requirements of the State Environmental Quality Review Act have been considered and the Planning Board has adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration A public hearing was scheduled and held on 06/27/2017; This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in the file of record; MOTION TO APPROVE SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY STAGE 11-2017 MICHAEL ALTARE , Introduced by George Ferone who moved its adoption. Waivers are granted for stormwater, grading and Sketch Plan. Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: MRS. MOORE-So you're going to potentially include in this motion the waiver for Sketch. AYES: Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. So now we are ready for Final Stage. RESOLUTION APPROVING FINAL STAGE SUBDIVISION # 12-2017 MICHAEL ALTARE A subdivision application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following: Applicant proposes to subdivide a 4.04 acre parcel into two lots — Lot 1 to be 2.02 acres to maintain existing buildings and house & Lot 2 to be 2.02 acres to remain vacant for future home. Pursuant to Chapter 183 of the Zoning Ordinance, subdivision of land shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter A-183, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; A public hearing was scheduled and held on 06/27/2017; This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in the file of record; MOTION TO APPROVE SUBDIVISION FINAL STAGE SUBDIVISION FINAL STAGE 12-2017 MICHAEL ALTARE, Introduced by George Ferone who moved its adoption. 1. The requirements of the State Environmental Quality Review Act have been considered and the Planning Board has adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration; and if the application is a modification, the requirements of the State Environmental Quality Review Act have been considered, and the proposed modification[s] do not result in any new or significantly different environmental impacts, and, therefore, no further SEQRA review is necessary; 2. Waiver requestsrg anted: stormwater mgmt., grading, landscaping & lighting plans; shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development s 4. Ennineennn sinn_nff required prier to signature of Planning Beard Chairman 5. ThTeeaapppplliGant must submit a GE)pY of the following to the a) Theprojent Al nottine�tent) fGF GOy ne under the nUrrent NYSDEG SIDDES General Permit OF GOverage under an individual SDDES prier to the curt of an i site work rrr hl The prnient NOT (NGtine of Termination) upon nnmpletion of the prnient• and 0 6.Thee appliGant must maintain nn their site, for nevi i by staff. a) Theapprovedfinal that have beepspedby the Town nH4ng Administrator. These plans must inrl�ide the prniert SWDDD (Storm cmc—�rr.��r-rv�uac—crn�rvJc -cvm� Water Pollution Prevention Plan) when sUnh a plan was prepared and approved; apd b) TThTeprrojert NO! and prnnf of GOverage under the nUrrent NYSDEG CD�Qener� l Permit, nr an individual SDDES permit issuedfn�c prc)jev. 7. Final approved plans, in compliance with the Subdivision, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel. 8. The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work. 9. Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; 10.As-built plans to certify that the subdivision is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy; Motion seconded by Thomas Ford. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: MR. TRAVER-Amy questions on that motion? MRS. MOORE-1 will note that there's some items, probably three through six which appear to be more of a site plan issue and shouldn't be part of your motion if you want to remove those. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So we can. MRS. MOORE-1 apologize for not changing that beforehand. MR. TRAVER-So we can delete Items Four Five and Six MRS. MOORE-Delete Items Three Four Five and Six. MR. TRAVER-Correct. AYES: Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. You're all set. MR. BELL-Thank you very much. MR. ALTARE-Thank you. MR. TRAVER-All right, and next we have Northeast Power Systems, Site Plan 43-2017. NEW BUSINESS: SITE PLAN NO. 43-2017 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED NORTHEAST POWER SYSTEMS AGENT(S) THOMAS ANDRESS, ABD ENGINEERS OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING CLI LOCATION 66 CAREY ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT AN 11,400 SQ. FT. ADDITION TO EXISTING 25,880 SQ. FT. ELECTRICAL INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS FACILITY. PROJECT INCLUDES 9,000 SQ. FT. WAREHOUSE AND 2,400 SQ. FT. OFFICE AREA. SITE WORK INCLUDES NEW SEPTIC AREA ALTERING PARKING ON SITE. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, INDUSTRIAL ADDITIONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SUB 6-87, SP 66-1998, SP 29-2000 6,000 SF ADDITION; SP 23-2011 12,000 SF EXPANSION WARREN CO. REFERRAL JUNE 2017 LOT SIZE 4.58 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 308.20-1-6 SECTION 179-3-040 TOM ANDRESS & TIM BARBER, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MRS. MOORE-So this applicant proposes to construct an 11,400 square foot addition to the existing 25,880 square foot electrical industrial business facility. The project includes 9,000 square feet of warehouse and 2400 square feet of office area. The Board may request clarification on signage and pole lighting. MR. TRAVER-Good evening. MR. ANDRESS-Good evening. Tom Andress with ABD Engineers and with me tonight is Tim Barber from JAG Construction. We're here for Northeast Power Systems. Right now on Carey Road they have approximately 25,000 square feet. We're proposing to do a 9,000 square foot warehouse and approximately 2400 square foot office. So they've experienced tremendous growth over the last few years. We did put in your packet a few promotional items from them. You can see the type of product they're making. They're making these very large metal enclosures for the power system industry. A lot of them are used in the industry. They're shipping not only across the country, but actually globally. They've had a couple of large contracts recently shipped over to Germany. So they're growing. They're very big and they can't be stored outside, obviously when they're done we try to get one onto one of those big flatbeds. Sometimes they ship out of Canada. So they just need a large area, which is a 9,000 square foot warehouse, to keep these products as they're producing them to meet the contract that they just received and it's a very large contract so they expect to continue as their business continues to grow. As part of that they have a very small office in the existing building. I believe there's only four people in the office, but it doesn't, they don't even have a receptionist. It doesn't meet the conditions of what you would think. As you can imagine these are not inexpensive items, and also when you're shipping internationally you're dealing with international clients. So what they want to do is shift that office over to this new office, and I think you have in your folder, you should have in your folders the front elevation. So what they want to do is try to upgrade the look of the facility from just the standard metal building facility that they have now so that they have an office area. It's still one story, but it just has the mass to it. So it's more inviting. It's actually mostly conference room. It's a good reception area. So it gives them something to be able to represent the quality of the products they're making with the building. The last addition that was constructed, there was a large stormwater management area. All it is is sand site. So we're actually just utilizing that stormwater management area, creating some additional areas around it. Unfortunately there's a little septic for a single bathroom where our addition is going so we are shifting that and putting a new septic out front that will not only handle the bathroom but obviously the employees now that are coming over to this portion from the office. MR. TRAVER-And that's going to impact on some trees? MR. ANDRESS-It is. There's a combination of very large pines, 50 plus feet in height there, and there were small pines that were actually planted as part of the previous approvals that are now six to ten to fifteen feet high. A few of those are being affected. So they're still small enough to be transplanted over. We'll be transplanting them into the area. MR. BARBER-None of the mature forest is going to be affected. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. ANDRESS-And we're utilizing the existing driveway. We're just re-building that portion of the driveway, just to make sure that we have the correct pitch from the building, because the building height has to fit the finished floor. So just have to do some grading in there. So that's why there's as much work as we're doing, a half-acre of total disturbance. MR. TRAVER-Okay. The one issue, potential issue raised, and that's the size of the sign. With a permit that can be 30 square feet. MR. ANDRESS-Right. We did see that comment from Laura. We certainly don't have a problem with that. MR. BARBER-That's just conceptual in nature. Obviously it will meet all the guidelines. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Do members of the Planning Board have questions? MR. HUNSINGER-1 think it's a nice looking building. MR. FORD-Yes, very appealing. MR. HUNSINGER-1 was in Syracuse over the weekend and saw another building with wood slats like that, and, yes, it's really attractive, really stands out. MS. WHITE-It's appropriate development within an industrial park. MR. TRAVER-Yes. There is a public hearing on this application. Are there folks in the audience that would like to address the Planning Board on this application? I'm not seeing any. Laura, are there any written comments? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. TRAVER-As with some of our applications, we do have SEQR to address on this. Does anyone have any environmental concerns about this expansion? I guess we can go ahead and entertain a motion. RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEQR DECLARATION SP #43-2017 N.E. POWER The applicant proposes to construct an 11,400 sq. ft. addition to existing 25,880 sq. ft. electrical industrial business facility. Project includes 9,000 sq. ft. warehouse and 2,400 sq. ft. office area. Site work includes new septic area altering parking on site. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, industrial additions shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act; The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury; No Federal or other agencies are involved; Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant; Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued. MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN 43-2017 NORTHEAST POWER SYSTEMS, Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption. As per the resolution prepared by staff. 1. Part 11 of the Short EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board. 2. Part III of the Short EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify potentially moderate to large impacts. Motion seconded by Thomas Ford. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. MR. HUNSINGER-1 did have one question, and that was related to lighting. You're not proposing any new light poles? MR. ANDRESS-No, we are not. We're taking some of the lights that are on the existing and putting them on the new building. MR. TRAVER-All right. Then we're ready to look at the Site Plan resolution. MR. FERONE-Are there any waivers requested? MR. TRAVER-1 didn't see any waivers requested. I would say strike that. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP #43-2017 NORTHEAST POWER SYSTEMS The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for Site Plan approval pursuant to Article 9 of the Town zoning Ordinance for: Applicant proposes to construct an 11,400 sq. ft. addition to existing 25,880 sq. ft. electrical industrial business facility. Project includes 9,000 sq. ft. warehouse and 2,400 sq. ft. office area. Site work includes new septic area altering parking on site. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, industrial additions shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation; The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 06/27/2017 and continued the public hearing to 06/27/2017, when it was closed, The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 06/27/2017; The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval, MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 43-2017 NORTHEAST POWER SYSTEMS; Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption; Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions: 1) No waivers were requested: 2) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution. a) If application was referred to engineering, then engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; b) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site improvements, c) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel; d) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work; e) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; f) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy; g) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible. Motion seconded by Thomas Ford. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. You are all set. MR. ANDRESS-Thank you very much. MR. TRAVER-All right. Next we have Lake George Campsites, LLC, Site Plan 46-2017 and Special Use Permit 9-2017. SITE PLAN NO. 46-2017 SPECIAL USE PERMIT 9-2017 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED LAKE GEORGE CAMPSITES, LLC AGENT(S) JOHN C. LEMERY, ESQ. OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING CI LOCATION 1053 STATE ROUTE 9 APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INSTALL A 40 FT. LONG, 24 FT. HIGH DINOSAUR DISPLAY PIECE AT THE ENTRANCE TO LAKE GEORGE CAMPSITES. PROJECT AREA IS < 5,000 SQ. FT. AND WILL CONTAIN DISPLAY OF DINOSAUR, BOULDERS, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 & 179-10 (SPECIAL USE PERMIT) OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AMUSEMENT CENTERS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE 1995 3 CAR GARAGE & SEPTIC; 1998 WALL SIGN; SP 13-2008 EXPANSION OF OPERATIONS WARREN CO. REFERRAL JUNE 2017 LOT SIZE 38.51 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 295.12- 1-6 SECTION 179-3-040 JOHN LEMERY & JERE TATITCH, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Good evening. MRS. MOORE-The applicant proposes a 40 foot long 24 foot high dinosaur display to be placed at the entrance to the Lake George Campsite. The project is less than 5,000 square feet and will contain the display of the dinosaur, the boulders, landscaping, lighting and temporary signage. This project is subject to site plan as well as a special use permit due to the area being zoned Cl. It would be considered amusement center usage. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. I must say we've had some interesting applications. I don't think we've ever had a dinosaur. So good evening and welcome. MR. LEMERY-Hi. Thank you. My name's John Lemery. I'm not here tonight as an attorney. I'm here tonight as an owner and partner of the project that we're envisioning. We have a great team assembled here. We have the folks from Creighton Manning, Mark Nadolny who's with Creighton Manning who's here to answer any questions you might have about traffic, and also we have Elan Planning who we engaged to help us with this particular project, Jere Tatitch and Ethan Gent. What we have envisioned is an attraction. Hopefully what will become a theme park, a dinosaur theme park. We have been having discussions with and have ordered a Spinosaurus from China from a company over there we've been working with. It's already in transit, so hopefully we'll get an approval. Otherwise we have to turn around and send it back. It will be located at the front of the site, and originally when we conceived this our idea was to, you know, we better order a dinosaur but we better see what these look like, see what they're made of, how it's evolved so we can determine whether we want to order the rest of them and build out this attraction. It's a great site. It's a 30 acre site in the Town. It's a campsite. It's right behind, it borders Route 9 and Route 87, and we're hoping if we can get this done it will be a real significant enhancement and attraction to the area, but the first step is to order the animal that we ordered, and get it out here and see if it works and if we get a response that justifies making an investment in the other animals. The campsite's been there for many years and we've not envisioning anything that would impose anything on the campsite. We think this is an enhancement to the site, and I don't know if all of you have seen the video. I have a video of the animal. Have you all seen the animal? MR. TRAVER-I've seen stills. I've not seen. MS. WHITE-1 watched the video. MR. TRAVER-Laura was working on it when we started the meeting. MR. LEMERY-It didn't scare you, Laura, did it? MRS. MOORE-No. MR. LEMERY-Did you see the video? MRS. MOORE-It did work. MR. TRAVER-1 think a lot of us have seen dinosaur movies that involve animatronics. MR. LEMERY-There it is. MR. TRAVER-So there is an audio that's emitted, a roar that's emitted by this thing? MR. LEMERY-Yes. That's, I mean, I don't know if Laura can turn that up, but that's the audio, yes. I'll let the consultant speak to that. MR. TRAVER-It's a good thing it's not out in Washington County in farmland somewhere. The cows wouldn't give milk for a week. MR. MAGOWAN-It can't malfunction and start running, can it? MR. LEMERY-Well, I'm a little concerned it could go up and eat that chicken at Martha's. Which wouldn't be all bad actually. So that's what it is. We're hoping, this project is at the Lake George Campsite. There are three or four of us that are involved in the project, and we recognized we had to come to get site plan approval because it was going to be treated as an attraction. So that's why we're here, and we hope that you will accept it and give us an approval. I'd like to now ask our consultants to speak to this. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have, but this animal is 24 feet high and 39 feet long. If we build out the theme park, the largest animal we've got in mind is 55 feet tall and 95 feet long. It's what you and I when we grew up called the Brontosaurus, or whatever else you want to call it, but the good thing about this whole thing is it could go right near 87. So it could be a real attraction. We think, the Great Escape does very well, and we're located like 1,000 feet below the Great Escape. As some of you probably know I was the Great Escape's lawyer for 20 years. So I know the theme park business and I know what goes on there. We think this could be a great success and a great addition to the community. So we hope you'll support it. It's great to see some friends I haven't seen in years here. So I'll turn it over. MR. DEEB-John, before you go any further, how many more animals as you call them, are you considering to build out your Park? MR. LEMERY-Well, we're looking at 37, including this one, which he would have to go back in with his brothers. MR. TRAVER-Yes, you would probably cycle them periodically or something? MR. LEMERY-Yes, you know, it's like any other theme park or attraction. You have to keep renewing it and renewing it every couple of years. Charlie Wood spent two million dollars every two years on new rides. So these things don't just sit there. MR. FERONE-I'm sure one of the things you thought about is we have winter here. How is that going to fair in winter months? Will the cold have an effect? MR. LEMERY-Well, these would be shrink wrapped and wrapped, probably tented. So they would stay there. MR. FERONE-In the wintertime. MR. LEMERY-Yes, but there's no plans to open anything in the winter, but the animals, it's a very good fabric that they're built with, but presumably the animatronic features will be taken out in the winter and put back in the spring. MR. FERONE-Quite a bit involved with it, then. MR. LEMERY-Yes, well, it operates on, what is it, two? MR. TRAVER-Hydraulics? MR. LEMERY-No. The electricity is, it's not heavy electricity. So with that I'll turn it over to Jere Tatitch. MR. TRAVER-Very good. Thank you. Good evening. MR. TATITCH-Thank you. My name's Jere Tatich. I'm the owner of Elan Planning and Design. I'm working with John on the project. I will say when he started talking about the Spinosaurus I thought it was a health condition he was expressing. So here's where we're at. The planning staff has been very helpful in directing us through the process here. We're looking at this as a two part process. Part One being the project that's before us now, which is essentially a small advertising component by the road on the 38 acre site, the campsite. The future project which would be Part Two, should the project move forward at that point, after we kind of test the waters, kick the tires if you will, that would utilize the southern half of that 38 acres. So none of the lower portion of the site would be involved. So this, we are looking at a temporary entrance feature for lack of a better term, tentatively in August of this year going through Memorial Day of next year, 2018, at which time we are intending to go through the site plan approval process for Part Two, at which time we'll have a permanent installation proposed for the front. This is essentially to advertise, see what the response is from the public before we move forward with other animals. So the project location, it's 1053 Route 9. We're looking at utilizing the open lawn area that's in front of the campsite building right now. There's currently the park model, mobile homes or camps, if you will. The intent right now is to move those to the interior site, away from Route 9, out of visibility, to help improve the appearance of the front. So we have that come in from the campsite. The current site conditions, this is an open lawn area with a paved area adjacent to the back. We're looking at utilizing a portion of that paved area for vehicles that may want to stop and look at the feature. We designated parking for that. With that we're looking at doing a temporary walkway to the dinosaur itself. As I said, the project intent is to test the waters from an advertising standpoint. It's a temporary installation. Components of the installation include the dinosaur itself, which is about, from the ground up right now I think this is 17 and a half feet by about 40 feet long. We're looking at doing that on a somewhat elevated structure two or three feet. That would be hidden by large boulders in the area, all part of the temporary installation. Whether that platform is a trailer that's hidden behind boulders or if it's a wood platform, we're not quite sure of that yet. There would be a fence enclosure. Once again we're looking at doing a temporary fence enclosure, something like a temporary construction fence and putting signs on that, don't feed the dinosaur and no hunting, which is another good sign. Perhaps obscuring some vines to give it that Jurassic Park look, all in a temporary situation. That fence would be six feet in height and a boulder at the base of the dinosaur. We're looking at illuminating the feature, the dinosaur, by pole mounted lights that are approximately 22 feet in height. We're looking at all the lighting being downward and in towards the site. Some of the discussions that we had with Planning staff, we were concerned that the initial locations for the poles perhaps might be too close to the road where the angle might come into, shine into oncoming traffic. We have moved those poles a bit further to the road so the angle of inclination back to the dinosaur is greater. Those lights also have shields on them to further control the light beam onto the dinosaur. Right now we're proposing three lights for each side of the dinosaur, with a maximum foot candle distribution at the brightest point of 2.4 foot candles, and that would be on the dinosaur, on the working side of the dinosaur. As you get towards the ground that light will dissipate even more. It will be less than one foot candle. So two pole mounted on each side of the dinosaur and poles 22 feet high above the dinosaur. So it's a downward lighting situation. We're also, we will be putting in a temporary sign which we would submit for under a permit application, and this is a temporary sign that would be there until the project, until we went through approvals on the, for the Part Two, the greater Park, then a permanent sign in front installation is proposed. Operations, as you'll see we do have lights, we have sound, and we have movement on those, all of which are controllable. So should there be a concern or someone saying that's too bright or that's too loud, there's too much movement, that can all be tailored down and reduced in scope. So we have that capability to do that. To determine what that would actually be right now, we're open to making sure that everyone's content with the amount of activity that the sign generates, and lights. We're looking at the lights being on pretty much 24 hours during those seasons when the dinosaur's unwrapped, okay, and then turned off when it's shrink wrapped for the winter. MR. TRAVER-What about the sound? MR. TATITCH-The fence. We're looking at the fence as staying up for the duration. MR. TRAVER-I'm sorry, I meant the sound. MR. TATITCH-The sound would just be audible, as is the movement, during daylight hours. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MS. WHITE-Approximately? MR. TATITCH-This time of year we'll say eight to eight, and since we're starting with midday shorter, that time would decrease at night. MR. FORD-One thing we would look at would be decibel level. MR. TRAVER-Yes, since this is a designed attraction, there must be some information provided with the dinosaur related to the volume. ETHAN GADICK MR. GADICK-I'm just going to jump in here. MR. TRAVER-Just state your name for the record. MR. GADICK-It's Ethan Gadick, Elan Planning and Design. We have, it's a 60 watt speaker on there currently. A 60 watt speaker is not terribly loud. It's about as much to fill up a backyard residential home. So it's relatively quiet. MR. TRAVER-Relatively quiet. MS. WHITE-And different from the Great Escape, this is across the street from a residential area. So there's concerns there. MR. LEMERY-There aren't any residences in or near this. So you'd hear the growl maybe within 30 feet or 40 feet of the animal. Beyond that it would be impossible to distinguish it from whatever ambient noise is going on on Route 9. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So beyond about 30 or 40 feet it would not be audible. MR. LEMERY-No. MR. TRAVER-Well, that's good. That's a general guideline. MR. TATITCH-As we are looking at this being a temporary installation, when we submitted our site plan package within that we had some landscaping and we also had some bio swales to handle some minimal runoff that would be coming from this area. What we'd like to do is postpone that component and make that a part of the permanent installation which has yet to be designed. So this is essentially looking for a year installation on the temporary of postponing those components so that they may be further and better integrated with the permanent installation that would be out front, and at I think at that point I've run through all the components of the feature. MR. LEMERY-Well, we had Creighton Manning here so we wanted to make sure that we didn't have a traffic with people trying to see it. We have tons of parking there. There's the camp store in the front people can pull in there and park if they are of a mind to see, but we engaged Creighton Manning to look at this and give us an opinion as to what they thought. If we needed to do anything there related to traffic issues, Mark is here to answer any questions you might have. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. LEMERY-We submitted a letter in support. We also submitted a letter dealing with the SHPO issues. So that's also part of what Planning Staff has as part of the submission. MARK NADOLNY MR. NADOLNY-Thanks. Mark Nadolny, Creighton Manning Engineering. As John said, they reached out to us and wanted us to consider some of the traffic operations associated with the proposed dinosaur display. The display would be located on Route 9 in the northwest quadrant of Hidden Farm Road which is the private driveway that goes back to the campground. So a few hundred feet north of the Fun Spot and a few hundred feet south of Pirates Cove Adventure Golf. So it is consistent with the recreational nature of Route 9 in that area. So you've got some other displays. You've got the pirate ship associated with that Pirate's Cove. It's about 40 feet long. So just to give you some scale. Access would be provided directly via the private drive that the campers currently use for vehicles. Route 9 does have sidewalks so pedestrians could access the site via the existing sidewalks. We would anticipate that the visitor interaction would be largely visual, passing Route 9, and it's almost like an extension of a unique business sign, is the way we really view it, similar to the way some of the rides are associated with the Great Escape that are visible from Route 9 and 1-87. It kind of draws your attention as you're driving by and they let you know it's there, but it's not a, you know, the attraction is not there that we're going to have one dinosaur. So it's not a destination yet. So we're not anticipating a significant amount of traffic being generated, and like John said, we're going to provide four dedicated parking spaces associated with it, but there is additional parking if necessary. The existing Hidden Farm Road intersection currently accommodates the campers and their RV's and their trailers and their personal cars. So in terms of capacity, we don't feel there's a capacity issue. Route 9 has the left turn lane. So you're not going to impede through traffic for anyone trying to make a northbound left turn into the site. So we weren't really recommending any specific improvements associated with the driveway itself. You've got other recreational uses on Route 9 that have a similar type of access. However, it was noted in our letter that in the event that they do bring in 36 additional animals, we would do a more full blown traffic assessment to see what sort of traffic it would generated when it becomes a full blown attraction. So that would be submitted to the Town for their review. MR. TRAVER-Very good. Thank you. MR. FORD-How would this impact the propane re-fueling area? MR. TATITCH-At the camp store? MR. FORD-Yes. MR. TATITCH-We feel that there's sufficient parking once the trailers, it will increase the vehicle circulation. Vehicle circulation in that area, we feel the four dedicated spaces that we're allowing for the dinosaur won't impact with the propane storage or fueling. MR. FORD-The large tank that's there. That's a primary source for re-fueling hot air balloons in the area. MR. TRAVER-You mentioned in a way this is kind of a pilot project. Your plan is to run through, did you say Memorial Day of next year? MR. TATITCH-What we would like to have happen for Memorial Day next year is that at that point we've gone through the Site Plan approval process for the greater park. MR. TRAVER-For Phase Two? MR. TATITCH-Yes. MR. TRAVER-So you mentioned, I guess the reason I'm asking is, because we're looking at a Special Use Permit, and you mentioned a temporary set up without stormwater and all the rest of it. Over what period of time do you, are you interested in doing that? MR. TATITCH-For that essentially 10 or 12 month period that this installation is in place. MR. TRAVER-So through next Memorial Day, something like that. MR. TATITCH-Yes. That's correct. MR. TRAVER-And beyond that you'd be looking at doing a swale? MR. TATITCH-Whatever the resulting design would be for the front entrance feature. Yes. MR. TRAVER-What about that, Laura, from the engineering standpoint? MRS. MOORE-This current project was not provided to the engineer for review. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MRS. MOORE-But I guess my concern is with not installing the bio swales, does that also mean not installing landscaping or things like that? So I guess it's just clarification about, to me bio swales are planted areas. So now am I missing landscaping? So I just need clarification I guess. MR. TRAVER-Right. Well that's kind of why I was asking. It sounds like this is a bit of a pilot, then should it be successful, which hopefully it will be, you would come back within a full plan which would include much more aspects that you would normally see? MR. LEMERY-Yes. The first thing we had to do was buy an animal and get it over here to determine whether it would meet our expectations in terms of quality. MR. TRAVER-Sure. MR. LEMERY-Durability, attractiveness and all the other things, and, you know, a smart business person isn't going to go out and buy 30 of these and they end up being a problem. So the idea was to buy one, get it here, get it out where people can see it, gauge the effect it might have and the attractiveness of it, because it's a significant investment if it goes forward. MR. TRAVER-Of course. MR. LEMERY-And that's the purpose of why we did one at this point, and if it turns out for some reason that it's terrible, that the skin is terrible and the whole thing, that's a whole different issue. MR. TRAVER-1 was curious about the kind of maintenance, and it's not directly tied into your application, but for example, the ultra violet that it's exposed to. I mean, you mentioned the material that the, the exterior of the skin of the animal, if you will, there must be some kind of maintenance that's done if it's moving. MR. LEMERY-Yes, there's a maintenance protocol. Interestingly enough, we have three people coming from China at the end of July who are going to be coming to this site to help us get it, you know, right now it's on a ship being forwarded here, and then when it gets here it has to be taken out of the tractor trailer and then assembled. We'll have a better handle on what kind of maintenance will be required when we see what it looks like. Right now it's got a steel structure and it's got a fabric that is, it's a weatherproof fabric that can take the elements up here. We made that very clear, and it's not the first project that they've done. This company in China, there are three companies over there, interestingly enough, who build these animals. This is one of them, and they have a pretty good track record. MR. TRAVER-I'm sure you're going to be very interested to see how this does respond to the elements. MR. LEMERY-Yes, sure. I mean, that's the key. I mean, if it's terrible, then that will be a whole different scenario. MR. FORD-This is a trial balloon. MR. LEMERY-Yes, exactly. We think it could be successful, and we'll go from there. MR. HUNSINGER-How will you gauge, though, how it's received in the community as an attraction? That's outside the site plan. MR. LEMERY-My personal opinion is that it's a dinosaur. It's a big animal. It makes a lot of noise. MR. TRAVER-Wait a minute. I thought you couldn't hear it? MR. LEMERY-Well, you can, but I mean, if you're standing next to it. MR. TRAVER-You're making me nervous. MR. LEMERY-So the kids are going to, I mean, what kid doesn't like this? And, I mean, it's non-stop dinosaurs everywhere you look, in terms of the tv shows and the rest of it. We have a lot of ideas we would like to try. So we're thinking that it could be very successful, and keep in mind that we're 1,000 feet below the Great Escape. The Great Escape attracts a million people a year. So how much of that do we have to capture to make this attractive. MR. TRAVER-Enough. MR. LEMERY-Yes, enough. MR. TRAVER-1 remember when I was very young, I mean really young, somewhere around here there was a, it might have been out in the country beyond Saratoga somewhere, there was some kind of a dinosaur thing. I can remember my parents taking me, and they were just concrete, but I can remember as a little kid seeing a couple of these sort of dinosaur things thinking, boy, that is really neat. And of course they didn't move. They certainly didn't make a lot of noise, but it was just really, really cool. So hopefully it's something that's very successful. MR. MAGOWAN-That wasn't the Catskill Game Farm was it? MR. TRAVER-No, like I say, I was just a little tiny kid. MR. LEMERY-We engaged a company called Lift, out of Saratoga. MR. MAGOWAN-1 remember something like that. MR. TRAVER-It might have been that place. MR. LEMERY-We engaged a company called Lift out of Saratoga to do a market feasibility study, and they looked at every single competing attraction in a very large area, all the way out to Howe Caverns. All the way south, everything, and they determined what they thought, a couple of things. When you get into one of these things, you wonder, what's the price? What do you charge for something like this? So we have that information. We have all of that information. It was a very thorough study that was done. So it's not a fly by night kind of thing, and all indications are that it could be very successful. MR. TRAVER-Do you have a concept name for the park in Phase Two? MR. LEMERY-We do, Jurassic Trek. MR. TRAVER-Jurassic Trek. Okay. All right. Hopefully that franchise will keep cranking out movies, right? MR. LEMERY-Yes, well there's another one coming apparently. MR. TRAVER-Yes. Okay. Questions, comments from members of the Board? MR. FERONE-I'm just looking, just a point of interest of mine, is it powered by electric and needs to be plugged in? MR. LEMERY-Yes. MR. TATITCH-Yes, it's not battery powered. It's hard wired. MR. TRAVER-What would that be, a 240? MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, it's probably a single phase, but you have three phase there. So I don't know, it would be probably cheaper to run it in a three phase, but I don't know the motors and everything. Like I said, that's what I was worried about if the legs move, too. Some of these storms that we've been getting, you know, a little jolt and the next thing you know they're running down the road. MR. TRAVER-All right. Any other questions, comments before we go to public hearing? MR. DEEB-In light of the recent episode at the Great Escape with that overhead tram and that girl falling, have you considered or envision any other safety issues with this at all? I mean, nobody knows what could happen. Have you considered any possibilities? MR. TRAVER-Well, they do plan on putting a fence. MR. DEEB-Which somebody could climb over. MR. TRAVER-Six feet. MR. LEMERY-It's clear that we have to have a fence to keep kids from getting in. I mean, that's clear. So we have that. We'll look at the fence. We have the lighting, but we're not going to have security there 24 hours a day, but other than that, this whole thing is not the kind of attraction that there are too many safety issues involved. MR. DEEB-It doesn't present a lot of safety dangers, but I'm just wondering. MR. LEMERY-The job is to keep the kids from getting to touch the animal. MR. DEEB-That's what I meant. MR. LEMERY-Damage it in some way. Can we stop that? You do your best, but who knows. Some kid crawls over the fence, gets in there and, you know, hopefully it doesn't get eaten. MR. DEEB-John, you're really into this. I can see that. MR. TRAVER-Yes. You mentioned no security. Is there going to be video surveillance or anything of that nature? MR. LEMERY-Yes. There'll be plenty of signs up. There'll be video surveillance, and hopefully there'll be enough deterrents. Could all the kids, 18 year olds you have, at night, get in there and jump over the fence and do something, sure, could they damage the animal? Sure. That's a risk we all take in business, and that's why we have insurance. We hope that doesn't happen. We hope it'll be secure. There will be cameras so that we can find out who's in there and who isn't, but that's about all you can do really. MR. MAGOWAN-So what about counting people that get out and walk around, you know, to give you more of a study on, like you said, how many people get out and walk around with kids or whatever for the attraction? MR. LEMERY-Right. We assume some of the people will be, some of our guys will be there from time to time looking at all that. MR. MAGOWAN-Well, even if you had like a motion camera just for a body count, which would come on it would video, just to get more of a count. Because I feel more people are going to stop and park and want to, especially walk around with their kids. MR. LEMERY-I'm trying to figure out how to get photographs, so we could do a green screen and do that, but I don't know if we could make that work. MR. MAGOWAN-Never say no. MR. LEMERY-We're trying to figure out how to turn it into a profit center, but we're not there yet. MR. TRAVER-In terms of a count, you know, the movement and the audio, if you had a, I know in some facilities they have a button you push that would start a narration or in this case it might start, make the animal do something that it normally doesn't do. That would give you some type of count. MR. LEMERY-Yes, well that's a very good question. I mean, and we're not that sophisticated yet that we know what this thing is going to do. As I said, we have three of the manufacturing people coming over. There'll be here I think by the end of July the beginning of August to help us do a couple of things. Number One to help us assemble it and wire it and, you know, all that, and then they're going to help us design the rest of the park, assuming this works. So there'll be here for a couple of weeks. That's a good point. Do we do that kind of thing? Maybe we can. I don't know the answer. MR. DEEB-I don't know how accurate that would be. You could have 30 people around it and one person push the button. MR. TRAVER-Yes, but I mean, right now there's nothing at all. MR. DEEB-You're not going to get any real good count. MR. TRAVER-All right. Any other questions before we go to public hearing? MS. WHITE-The traffic study that you're talking about, I mean, I understand the volume of traffic is probably not going to change, but the distraction level, did you look at that at all? MR. NADOLNY-We did some research to see if there was anything, they were talking about distracted drivers looking at an animal. There wasn't anything available, but you do have other recreational uses on this road. At the Great Escape, like I said, you've got the pirate ship that do draw your attention but you're doing 40 miles an hour. MS. WHITE-It's a little out of the ordinary. It's a little more of a distraction, I would imagine, you know, to see something like that out of the corner of your eye and wonder who that was. MR. NADOLNY-And since it is such a new situation there wasn't anything that we found that was available. We did look. MS. WHITE-1 just wish you had looked at that. MR. TRAVER-It might be more of an issue to be evaluated in Phase Two. MS. WHITE-But those will all be back in the park. That's not something that's going to be right on Route 9. MR. TRAVER-Well, we'll see. MR. LEMERY-Well, if you look at the Sasquatch, the big 200 foot ride out there, that is about as big a distraction as you could ever see coming up and down Route 9, and actually, interestingly enough, you've got kids screaming on that thing going up and down, probably making more noise than this thing will. So we've looked at that and we've looked at all those things, and we determined that it shouldn't be that much of a distraction. That is not to say that when this thing first goes up, you're absolutely right. You could trigger all kinds of people trying to get in there, you know, the kids saying, hey, let me go in there. MR. TRAVE R-Everybody's going to want to see. MR. LEMERY-You're going to get the little kids with their parents saying, stop, stop, get off the road. MS. WHITE-1 worry about that last minute, you know, okay, what was that, you know. MR. LEMERY-Yes, sure, you're right about that. MR. FORD-You see a lot of things up and down Route 9, but very few dinosaurs. MR. TRAVER-So far. MR. LEMERY-So far. Other than you and me, Tom. MR. MAGOWAN-But I think one of the biggest distractions for me is the sound of the air, you know, the whoosh, from the Sasquatch. I mean, that's close to my area. MR. LEMERY-1 don't know who was on the Planning Board. I think Chris was on the Planning Board when they did that, right? Yes, you were. MR. T RAVE R-Sasq uatch? Yes. MR. HUNSINGER-1 still tell people about the public hearing that we did for the Park, over at the high school at the auditorium. Four hours of public comment. MR. LEMERY-1 still have those scars. MR. HUNSINGER-I'll bet. MR. TRAVER-All right. Well, we do have a public hearing on this project. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted to address the Planning Board? Yes, come on up, please. If you could give up the table for public comment for a few minutes. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED STEVE PERROTTA MR. PERROTTA-Hi, my name is Steve Perrotta. I'm a board member of the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship. We're on Weeks Road, and I believe, I've been looking at maps, but I can't quite tell from the maps on line whether the southern portion of the property abuts up against the northern portion of our 12 acres, and this may be a bit premature, but I'm assuming they're investing in Phase I, fully expecting to go into Phase II, or hoping to, and my concern would be noise at that point, because if I understood them correctly it would be going south in their development of Phase II. We're a house of worship, you know, we're a meditative space. So that's really, it's addressing the possibility of Phase II with more animals, more noise and how that would impact our house of worship. MR. TRAVER-Sure. Well, they, at that stage, should that occur, the number of animals, the noise, the lighting, all of the same issue that we're talking about for the single display this evening would be brought up again and would all need to be addressed, including the issues that you've raised. Thank you. MR. PERROTTA-Thank you. MR. TRAVER-Yes, thank you. Anyone else? Are there any written comments? MRS. MOORE-There were no written comments. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we will close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. LEMERY-The house of worship's property is 700 feet away from our property. It's not, I think it's closer to Frank Parillo's to the south, the old Honda dealership. It's not us. MR. TRAVER-Thank you for that. MRS. MOORE-Mr. Chairman, there were a few items that I just want to make sure the board's aware of and maybe the applicant can provide some clarification. MR. TRAVER-Sure. MRS. MOORE-In reference to lighting, I identified that there are two pole fixtures that they're proposing with three fixtures on each with anti-glare that can be used, but it's not proposed at this time, and you mentioned that the poles could be, were moving closer to the road, and I'm not quite sure where that proximity is versus the plans that we were provided. That's in reference to lighting. There's a couple of other things. I don't know if we want to stop at lighting and go through that? Do you want to go through lighting first? MR. GADICK-Just to clarify the lighting, we have every intention of using the anti-glare fixtures on those, and the intent of the lighting fixtures being closer to the right of way was that we would reduce the chance of glare being directed at passing motorists. MR. TRAVER-Because you're increasing the angle from the road. MR. TATITCH-Right. So we're moving away from the display. The initial lighting plan sort of indicated that the lighting would be pointed almost directly at the dinosaur. We're moving them away from the dinosaur. So there's even less of a chance of those lights impacting motorists. MS. WHITE-So the lights will be parallel to the street as opposed to? MR. TATITCH-No, actually not parallel to the street. They will be moving closer to the right of way. So the beam would be directed at the dinosaur. MR. TRAVER-Perpendicular. MR. TATITCH-Away from traffic. MRS. MOORE-Can you use this drawing up front to show me where the lighting's going to be? MR. GADICK-So I think this is our initial lighting plan here. Here and here, so I think the initial Staff Notes raised concern with the fact that these lights might possibly be pointing at traffic. So we propose that we could move them a little bit further towards the right of way to reduce that angle towards the road. MR. TATITCH-Ethan, is there something that shows on the drawing the new location of those lights? MR. GADICK-1 think we mentioned the narrative. MRS. MOORE-So right now they're 48 feet. They look like they're 48 feet to the curb. So they'll be closer. We'd like a number, but that's up to the Board. Lighting is something that's discussed at the Board level. MR. TRAVER-Yes, certainly. MRS. MOORE-The other question I had in reference to lighting was the palm trees somehow indicate that there may be lighting associated with them. MR. TRAVER-How close can you put the lights to the road to make that the maximum possible angle and still achieve your lighting? MR. TATITCH-We could put the lighting right up to the edge of the right of way line and make that work. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So that would be it looks like about half the distance. So maybe 24 feet. MR. TATITCH-To I believe it's that dashed line. MRS. MOORE-Okay. I guess I'm going to point out that there is, I know in other projects on Route 9 there's the sewer easement. So I know you'll run into some issues with the sewer easement being in that place, and you installing lighting. So I'm not quite sure if that will match where you want to place the lighting in the easement location. MR. TRAVER-Okay, well, we'll need to lay that out. The other thing is if the lights are closer to the road they don't need to be that far from the dinosaur. Do they? If they're going to be shining. MR. FORD-Also if they're closer together you could angle them back away from the road. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. FORD-The closer they are, it's more focused. MR. TRAVER-So we'll need to figure that out. If you could indicate for us where you'd be prepared to move those, and then we'll want that on the final plans. So just for discussion tonight, so that we can resolve that issue. If you can indicate for us on the board where you can put them. Hopefully they will be closer together and I guess because of the limitations of the right of way at least as far as possible for the road. Do other Board members have a feeling about that? MR. TATITCH-So if I may interject, we'll locate the two light poles as close as we can to the right of way without impacting the sewer easement that's there. MR. TRAVER-Okay, and then what about decreasing the distance laterally from the dinosaur, too? That would help, would it not, Laura? Or would that not make a difference? MRS. MOORE-No, that makes a difference. My point, my initial concern was the way they're focused now. MR. TRAVER-Is the angle. MRS. MOORE-Is the angle issue. So if they're closer to the dinosaur, closer to that fence, and not associated with the easement area, then I think that would assist it, and the other question was, this is not a traditional light pole that we've seen. So is the Board okay with that type of fixture, that type of pole being out in the right of way? Or out in the front of a property? I know it's a preference because this is a unique feature. It's a display. MR. TRAVER-Well, my own feeling is this is a temporary set up to sort of test the impact, and that's one of the issues that needs to be re-visited to move it to a permanent location. So on the one hand we want to, it seems to me that we would want to make the light as effective as possible without impacting traffic, and to give the attraction a fair opportunity to be illuminated as they intend. MR. FORD-We want the illumination, but we want it compliant as well. MR. TRAVER-Right. MR. FORD-And we should learn a lot from this initial installation. MR. TRAVER-Right. MR. HUNSINGER-2.4 foot candles is not very bright. It's really, it's kind of like lighting a sign, as opposed to like lighting up a storefront or parking lot. I think that's why I'm okay with the fixture types, because not having the shoebox. MRS. MOORE-And my understanding is that the display is sort of functioning 24/7. So are the light fixtures on 24/7 as well, or are they on a timer system of some sort? MR. FERONE-1 thought I heard them say eight to eight. MS. WHITE-No, that was the noise. MR. LEMERY-Yes, that's for the noise and the motion. The lights will be on 24/7 as a bit of a security element, too. MR. TATITCH-As Mr. Hunsinger said, the lighting submitted indicated a 2.4 foot candle at the brightest spot, and soon after that it dissipates quite a bit. So these aren't very bright lights. The intent there is to just kind of generally wash it. MR. TRAVER-So, Laura, do you have thoughts on, I know you spoke earlier about a description for the placement, the modified placement of the lights for the resolution. MRS. MOORE-1 agree with the way it was stated. Not within the easement area but closer together. Does George have a better description? MR. FERONE-No. I was taking, sort of scribbling notes as that conversation was going on. MRS. MOORE-This is not the current location. They're going to be re-located. They're outside of the easement area, but they're going to be closer to the road. I'm okay with that because that'll show up in the final plans. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. DEEB-Just say as close as you can get it to the easement area without infringing, and then pick so many feet that you want to go in. I don't know how many feet, how many feet is it now from the fence? Do you know? MR. TATITCH-Forty feet. MR. DEEB-So, if you could move it in 10, 15, whatever. Pick a number. MRS. MOORE-I'm not looking for a number at the moment. I'm looking to make sure that it's not in the easement. We know the location's going to change, and the Board sounds like they're acceptable to the pole fixtures and the light fixtures themselves. MR. DEEB-But it has to be defined on the site plan. MRS. MOORE-But you've agreed that it's not going to be in the easement. I'm not, the final plan will show its location. Unless you specifically want a distance, I'm okay with the way it's presented as Staff. MR. TRAVER-1 think for our purposes if you're, especially under these circumstances, for this type of plan, I think if you're happy, we're happy, at least I am. MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. MR. FORD-Yes. MR. TRAVER-As long as we can agree on the language. MRS. MOORE-1 have a few more items. I have, we talked about noise, and I think there should be some language in here about confirmation of the decibel level, so that if it's compared to something else. I just want to know what it is today. So that we have an idea that it's no louder than a lawnmower or no louder than someone screaming. Things like that should be referenced so that people can refer back to it. Confirm the hours and the season, and I think I understand that it's from, it's our typical tourist season. As soon as we get rid of the snow and as soon as snow arrives, and then the hours are 24/7 that it could operate, and then my understanding in the winter months it's going to be shielded or removed. MR. TRAVER-Shrink-wrapped basically, like a boat. MRS. MOORE-And the next two items are the ones that will bring more discussion. MR. LEMERY-My understanding is, unless I'm wrong, Queensbury does not have a noise ordinance, and for years and years we tried to, we had to do a noise study for The Great Escape in the summer. MR. HUNSINGER-Still do. MR. LEMERY-And we've never had a situation where the ambient, where the noise levels have gone beyond the ambient noise. So we don't see that happening here either. So I don't want to pin us down to some decibel levels for a single dinosaur here. I don't want to do that. MR. TRAVER-Well, as I recall from your presentation, you won't know what the decibel is until the animal is assembled and actually operating. MR. LEMERY-Right. I don't want to get into a situation where you have to have so many decibels you can't go beyond that, because the truth of the matter is this thing will be far enough back on the owner's property that by the time you get through with the traffic up and down Route 9, it's not going to have an effect. MR. TRAVER-My own feeling is I think it would be sufficient, if you were agreeable, that if we started to get complaints or the noise were an issue, you've already indicated that it can be reduced, it can be adjusted. So I think it would be enough that if it's determined to be an issue that you would reduce the noise. MR. MAGOWAN-You've got go karts on either side of you. There's no way it can be louder than that. MR. LEMERY-Right. There is, there are no residences within any kind of an area here. MR. TRAVER-Well, that's what I'm saying. So it's unlikely to be an issue unless, I mean, as we sit here we don't know really how loud it is. MR. LEMERY-Right. MR. TRAVER-But to your point and to the ambient noise point, it's unlikely to be an issue. MR. LEMERY-Right. MR. TRAVER-So I think it's sufficient that if we simply say, if it is an issue, even though we don't expect it would be, that we would reduce it. MR. LEMERY-1 won't say we'll reduce it. If it's an issue, we'll address it, but I don't see how it would become an issue, given where it is, and given the ambient noise and given what's all around you, but I'm mindful of it. We're aware of it, and I can only tell you that based on my personal experience we went year after year after year trying to figure out noise levels in the Town and it didn't work. MR. TRAVER-What is the Board's feeling on the noise issue? MR. FORD-1 think if there's a willingness to address. MS. WHITE-But there is no willingness. That's what we're being told. MR. LEMERY-We would want to be good neighbors. We don't want to cause any problems for anybody. MR. TRAVER-So how would you anticipate, you've already indicate that you're aware that the noise can be, through the control system of the animal, can be reduced. How else would you address it, if not by that? MR. LEMERY-1 don't know the answer. I'm assuming that the controls we get can ratchet it up or ratchet it down. MR. TRAVER-Right. That's what I understood. MR. LEMERY-I'm assuming that we have to make it so that you can't hear it, and I would intend that we would say we don't want to hear this beyond the right of way. MR. TRAVER-At least not louder than the ambient. MR. LEMERY-Yes, exactly. I'm hopeful that there are control panels that allow us to do that. MR. MAGOWAN-We've got one 16 watt speaker. My ice clips in my backyard that point to the roller coaster at The Great Escape can drown out the roller coaster no problem. With my kids screaming in the pool. MR. TRAVER-So again, I think my own feeling is, given the ambient noise, as long as we have some indication that if it becomes an issue that it will be addressed, that works for me. I don't know, how do other Board members feel? MR. FORD-That's the word I want to see. MRS. MOORE-Okay. MR. TRAVER-And also this is a Special Use Permit, too. So we're looking at a term. MRS. MOORE-That is a good point is that it is a Special Use Permit. So the Board does have the opportunity to do a term, a period of approval time. The other two items, and I think that they can be, they're minor but they do need to be addressed, is in reference to the stormwater and the plantings. Can you just clarify how that's going to work without bio swales or what features will be in place I guess for plantings? MR. TATITCH-The bio swale, we have minimal additional pervious surface we're adding to the area. So therefore I don't see this project generating runoff to any measurable amounts. So right there I'd question the efficiency or the use of a bio swale. The water from that area is already absorbed into surrounding turf grass. MR. TRAVER-Well, the other thought I had, too, was that you may, after this trial run if you will, you may decide to move it to a different location so you do a lot of terraforming of this particular spot and then you say, well, we want to move it 20 feet or whatever. So I guess I was looking at it as purely a trial, you're just putting it there temporarily. MRS. MOORE-So do the plantings remain that you're proposing? MR. TATITCH-We're looking to postpone that to Part Two of the waiver project. MRS. MOORE-1 guess so it's fencing and dinosaur. MR. TRAVER-Boulders, right? MRS. MOORE-Boulders. MR. TATITCH-The immediate area around the dinosaur is what we're looking at. MRS. MOORE-So no proposed palm tree either? All right. I just want to make sure the Board includes that in their. MR. LEMERY-The Tiki's got the best palm trees. We don't want to. MRS. MOORE-So you should include that information during your resolution preparation. MS. WHITE-Because that's different than what's in there. MRS. MOORE-It's definitely different and it would have to show up on the final plans. MR. TRAVER-So then this will exclude additional stormwater landscaping, except for boulders and a security fence. MRS. MOORE-Right. So you're essentially granting them a waiver, then. So I just want to make sure you're clear on it and the Board and the applicant understands why I'm asking the question. MR. TATITCH-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you for that clarification. MR. MAGOWAN-Now you brought up the lighting and the sewer and water easement area, and if you're looking at this plan here, it says there 50 foot wide Town of Queensbury water and sewer easement coming off of the curb, and if you follow that all the way down to the dotted line, it actually goes right through the center of your dinosaur. It's no problem to me. I don't have a problem with the lights being out there, and like you said, this is just a temporary thing to see how it's going to go. MR. LEMERY-Yes, we saw the manhole there, and we knew. MR. MAGOWAN-1 mean you were just talking about 50 feet wide. MR. TRAVER-So theoretically it could be five feet from the manhole. MR. MAGOWAN-Well, no, I'm just saying the easement goes actually right through the center of the dinosaur where it sits on the plan. MR. LEMERY-Can we say that we'll coordinate that with the Sewer Department on the placement of the poles in that area? MR. TATITCH-We did briefly reach out to the engineering. We indicated there would be very minimal site disturbance in the right of way. MR. TRAVER-Well, the only concern then would be are they going to say that you're not going to be able to remove the lights and we're back to our glare problem? Somehow we ought to resolve that. MRS. MOORE-If you've already talked to Mr. Harrington, it's possible that discussing the light location, my concern was putting in the utility underground. So if it's not a concern of Mr. Harrington's, then they can proceed as presented tonight. MR. TRAVER-Even though it's in the? MRS. MOORE-But it definitely has to be clarified with the water and sewer department. MR. TRAVER-Okay. We'll incorporate that in somehow that they coordinate with water and sewer for the temporary lighting. Any other issues before we move to a SEQR review? MR. FERONE-Are you ready? MR. TRAVER-Yes. RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEQR DEC. SP 46-2017 SUP 9-2017 L.G. CAMPSITES The applicant proposes to install a 40 ft. long, 24 ft. high dinosaur display piece at the entrance to Lake George Campsites. Project area is < 5,000 sq. ft. and will contain display of dinosaur, boulders, landscaping, lighting and temporary signage. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 & 179- 10 (special use permit) of the Zoning Ordinance, amusement centers shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act; The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury; No Federal or other agencies are involved; Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant; Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued. MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN 46-2017 & SPECIAL USE PERMIT 9-2017 LAKE GEORGE CAMPSITES, LLC Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption. As per the resolution prepared by staff. 1. Part II of the Short EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board. 2. Part III of the Short EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify potentially moderate to large impacts. Motion seconded by Thomas Ford. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Traver NOES: Ms. White MR. TRAVER-All right. So now we move on to the Site Plan and particularly the Special Use Permit. We have a number of issues that are being addressed by the secretary in the motion. One of the things we need to consider is the term of the Special Use Permit. In this case, if we grant one year, that would cover the period of time that they're looking to do this, so that works for me. How do other Board members feel? MR. DEEB-I just have a question. Laura said when the snow comes and when the snow goes. That could be, could you say something about Memorial Day to another date? MR. TRAVER-1 think he was talking about, well they're anticipating the animal being delivered I guess in August and they were going to run it until next Memorial Day. So we make it a year. MR. DEEB-Okay. I'm good. I understand. MR. TRAVER-Until June of next year. MR. FORD-Right. MR. LEMERY-I'm assuming folks would shrink-wrap it in October after Halloween and wrap it up, turn it off. MR. MAGOWAN-After Fright Fest. MR. TRAVER-When you consult with the engineers from the design team, they may, when the temperatures, whether we have snow or not, they might say we really should, maybe even just stop the movement or something. MR. LEMERY-Yes. We don't anticipate it, I don't anyway, having it on over the winter. MR. DEEB-And we'll address hours of operation with the final phase. Okay, fine. MR. LEMERY-1 think we're looking at through Halloween, through Fright Fest, and after that, you shut it down. MR. TRAVER-So if we look at a one year Special Use Permit, that gives you not only your test bed operation, but also, presumably, time to begin working on your Phase 11 and have it operational. MR. LEMERY-Right, and the plan is to move this animal into the Park, if we get approval for the next phase, as soon as we get going, our plan is to open up Memorial Day of 2018. By that time this animal would get moved back in with. MR. TRAVER-Okay. All right. So we've covered our bases. MR. FORD-So one year is good. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. LEMERY-That would be fine. Thank you. MRS. MOORE-Yes. MR. FERONE-So I have a question. There was a lot of discussion about the position of where the light poles are going. Was that boiled down to that they will coordinate with the Water and Sewer Department on where those were going to be placed? MR. MAGOWAN-They probably don't understand the angles and that. They'll say well we anticipate a pipe here. So you've got to put it here. MR. TRAVER-Well the applicant understands what we're after. MR. FERONE-Well, the discussion was that they were going to move it toward the right of way but then it was without impacting the sewer easement. Then Brad said the sewer easement is in the middle of the dinosaur. MR. TRAVER-Right. MRS. MOORE-So you're saying that to avoid any glare to oncoming traffic either north or south. MR. TRAVER-So do we want to have say a minimum of, could we do it by angles? Could we say not less than a 45 degree? MR. DEEB-I think Laura's wording, just make sure you keep the glare off of Route 9. MRS. MOORE-Okay. MR. HUNSINGER-Put it as far forward in the right of way as we can. MR. TRAVER-Yes. That works. If it becomes an issue, we'll know. MR. DEEB-It's temporary. MR. LEMERY-There's an on off switch. MR. FERONE-And the issue with noise is? MR. TRAVER-Noise generated, if noise is identified during this Special Use Permit than it will be addressed. MR. HUNSINGER-Right. MR. FERONE-And, Laura, you said on waivers stormwater and landscaping? MRS. MOORE-Correct. You may want to clarify landscaping is now considered the fencing. MR. TRAVER-And the boulders. MRS. MOORE-The boulders. MR. TRAVER-And that's it for the duration of the Special Use Permit. MR. FORD-For this phase. MR. TRAVER-Yes. For what we're defining as Phase One for a period of the Special Use Permit and for Phase One the landscaping will consist of the display materials of the boulders and a perimeter fence. MR. FERONE-And that's not a waiver. That's a condition. MR. TRAVER-Right. So we can make that a condition and then grant a waiver. MR. FERONE-All right. Let's give this a shot. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP 46-2017 & SUP 9-2017 LAKE GEORGE CAMPSITES, LLC The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for Site Plan approval pursuant to Article 9 of the Town zoning Ordinance for: Applicant proposes to install a 40 ft. long, 24 ft. high dinosaur display piece at the entrance to Lake George Campsites. Project area is < 5,000 sq. ft. and will contain display of dinosaur, boulders, landscaping, lighting and temporary signage. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 & 179-10 (special use permit) of the Zoning Ordinance, amusement centers shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation; The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 06/27/2017 and continued the public hearing to 06/27/2017, when it was closed, The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 06/27/2017; The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval, MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 46-2017 & SPECIAL USE PERMIT 9-2017 LAKE GEORGE CAMPSITES, LLC; Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption; Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions: The Special Use Permit will be for a term of one year. 1) Waivers requestrg anted: Stormwater and landscaping 2) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution. a) If application was referred to engineering, then engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; b) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site improvements, c) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel; d) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work; e) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; f) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy; g) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible. h) The position of the pole lights will be moved as far over as possible in the right of way to avoid glare for traffic. The fixtures will be anti-glare fixtures. i) If noise becomes an issue it will be addressed by the applicant. j) The pole lights will be in coordination with the sewer department about any easements on the sewer easement. k) That the landscaping will be fencing and boulders. Motion seconded by Thomas Ford. Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017 by the following vote: MRS. MOORE-Did you do the term? MR. TRAVER-Yes, we said one year Special Use Permit. MR. LEMERY-When does that start, the one year period? Is that like tonight, the one year period? MR. TRAVER-So for next June. By then you'll have your animals. AYES: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Traver NOES: Ms. White MR. TRAVER-All right. Away you go. MR. LEMERY-Thank you. MR. TRAVER-All right. That concludes the regular items on our agenda. We do have a discussion item this evening. Discussion Item 7-2017 for Boguslaw &Anna Bielecki. DISCUSSION ITEM: DISC 7-2017 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED BOGUSLAW & ANNA BIELECKI AGENT(S) ETHAN HALL OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING CLI LOCATION 120 LUZERNE ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TWO 3-STORY BUILDINGS 40'X80 , TWO 2- STORY BUILDINGS 40'X80' AND TWO 60'X200' HIGH BAY WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS. BUILDING ARRANGEMENT IS ONE 3-STORY CONNECTED TO ONE WAREHOUSE THEN CONNECTED TO ONE 2-STORY BUILDING — SAME ARRANGEMENT ON EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. PROJECT INCLUDES LAND CLEARING OF 5 ACRES, LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING AND PARKING SET UP FOR OFFICE, WAREHOUSE AND LIGHT INDUSTRY CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-9-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING BOARD MAY BE REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. CROSS REFERENCE SP 1999 WARREN CO. REFERRAL N/A FOR DISCUSSIONS LOT SIZE 12.92 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 309.9-2-6 SECTION 179-3-040 & 179-9-040 ETHAN HALL, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MRS. MOORE-So the project involves (2) three story buildings, 40 foot by 80 foot. This includes (2) two story buildings, 30 foot by 80 foot, and (2) 60 by 200 foot high bay warehouse buildings. And I've identified the Code requirements for Commercial Light Industrial and information on design standards for the Light Industrial area, and I do want to note, and I'm trying to coordinate with the County that this project would have vehicle traffic that actually goes to Media Drive that empties into the study area that was already for the CI-18 zoning area. The applicant is outside the study area, but they're going to have traffic contributing to that. So I'm trying to coordinate that information as Staff. MR. TRAVER-All right. Good evening. MR. HALL-Good evening. For the record Ethan Hall, principle with Rucinski Hall Architecture. With me tonight is Boguslaw Bielecki and his son Nicholas and so the project, as Laura said, is located just off of Luzerne Road, just beyond the Northway, right next to Action Equipment. There's the power line that borders on this side, which would be the eastern side of our property, and then George Drellos' property for Queensbury Septic is on the west side of our property. What's being proposed are two buildings. The front portion of the building would be a three story masonry style building with peaked roofs, which would be kind of office space. The first floors would have 12 foot ceilings all in accordance with the Code requirements for that zone. We're probably looking at an overall height, I believe our drawings are showing somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 feet for that front portion, yes, 39' 7", 47' 6" to the top of the roof, and then the back portion would be the 40 foot high. That would be a two story portion back there for light manufacturing, something like that. Maybe in between them would be the warehousing. It would be the single story, have a 20 foot clear inside with peaked roofs on it. Both buildings are identical. There's a total of 36,800 square feet of building footprint on the lot. We would be disturbing roughly 4.6 acres of the overall lot, and the overall lot is just under 13 feet. We're preserving just a little over a third of it. As you get back away from Luzerne Road you start getting into the fill and start getting back into the pond that's back there. We've learned that that's Lake Foley. Been there forever from what we understand. It seems like everybody that we talk to on the west end knows that that used to be a big fishing hole. Apparently. Well, when our surveyor was out there he said there are snapping turtles back there that are three feet big. MR. TRAVER-So there's got to be fish in there. MR. HALL-There's a lot of fish, and apparently from what we understand, there used to be a bait shop over on the states streets and the woman that ran the bait shop, she would take her bait and take it over and dump it in and apparently there was pike, there was pickerel, there were bass, apparently there's still a lot of different species of fish that are kicking around that pond. Most of this site was part of when the Northway came through it was dug out, flattened the Northway out, from what we understand. It is fairly well overgrown but it's all recent growth. It's a lot of scrub brush and stuff. So that's what we're looking at in the front portion of the building. We are providing access all the way around the site with an entrance on the east side and entrance on the west side. The areas that we're looking at with our entry points coming in on the east and then in and out on the west. We have for the office spaces up front we have some parking indicated here. We also have parking indicated along the sides with loading dock areas for the two middle parts for the warehousing parts of the building and then the two manufacturing, light manufacturing spaces in the back. Additional parking all the way around. We've got the areas indicated for our trash enclosures at the back of the site away from the roads, and then we've also got additional parking along both sides there. We have sidewalks indicated all the way around the building. Our intent here is that most of the building will have its own lighting at the entryways. The walkways would have post bollards to light the walkways themselves, and then around the outside kind of lighting the parking areas would be pole mounted downcast fixtures. So we're going to light the parking lot with downcast fixtures, light the walkways with bollards. So our light spill is very, very small. I have the lighting indicated on there with our lumen layout. So that's all on the drawing. We would be hooking into the municipal water system coming off Luzerne Road. Both buildings are going to have to be sprinklered, just based on their size. So we know that we've got to get that. That's another part we have to look at. Electric transformer in the middle, bring the power in, splitting it going to both buildings. So we knock the power down on the side, knock the holdings down. It's not on municipal sewer system. So we have to go with on-site sewage disposal. The front part of the lot, we've dug a couple of test holes. We know that we've got good soils up close to Luzerne. We don't start getting into bad stuff until we get back into here. The intent would be, because the site does drop as it's headed from Luzerne Road back towards the pond, all of our stormwater management for all of the new hard surfaces would take place at the back of the lot. This would also be our snow storage area. We've got plenty of, we know we've got a lot of parking lots to take care of, but we would take care of all of that in the back, and then our stormwater would be contained and dealt with back here and then the eventual runoff would get back towards, but we've got an additional 3 or 400 feet until we get to the back part. So we've got plenty of area for stormwater management. We're showing specimen trees being planted along Luzerne Road and then also throughout we've got parking areas that are separated by green, green facilities or green areas with some individual plantings put in them, and then of course the buildings themselves would have low plantings around the outside of the building and landscape. We've got grass area all around the building and in between them and in the area where the septic area would be, obviously no physical structures back there, but it gives a nice open courtyard effect in between the two buildings. So we've got that all the way around. The truck docks themselves, as the site goes back, it drops as we head back in the lot. So coming off of Luzerne Road, we're staying right at Luzerne Road height, and then as we go back, the lot naturally drops off. It gives us the ability to have the truck docks back there with the four foot drop that we need. It's a natural drop to get back there so we don't have to cut the loading docks in like we would have to on a flat site. So it works out really well, and then as we drop back, we can keep to that level for the back buildings have them down a little lower, keep them right at that level. Keep them floor level is good. We have nice easy access for traffic within the buildings to travel back and forth between the manufacturing area and the loading dock area. As I said, the buildings, we've got some kind of schematic elevations and plans put together for the buildings. The ones in the front we're talking about having a masonry probably mix of split face and maybe ground faced block, maybe interact a couple of different colors to break them up because they are, they're fairly stark buildings, but the way we treat the block and the way we do some different accents and things and break them up a little bit and we'll continue to work our way through that and continue to develop the exteriors. The middle portion would be pre-engineered metal building, the same as any warehousing facility style would be. The difference that we've got here is Bog would like to have a little bit steeper pitch on that so he's got some higher bay inside the building to allow for that, plus it allows us to contain our water a little better. We can control it as it comes off. A lot of times what we're finding is these very low sloped roofs that are on the pre-engineered metal buildings you get creep of the snow and it tends to build up and drop and come back against the building. So we're going to put a little bit steeper pitch on it. We can control that a little better, and then the back, the back building would have a little bit higher floor to floor heights just because of what, you know, what could possibly be put inside the buildings for a light manufacturing person. So we've kind of got a mixed use of different things that can take place within the buildings. We've got it set up so that there could be, you know there's six loading docks that could be broken up pretty much any way that you want inside this building, with a common travel corridor that would come across the back between the manufacturing space and anything up front. So we've got a lot of flexibility built into the buildings to start with, and we've got a fairly flexible site to work with, just based on the information that we've gotten thus far. So I did get the list of the information that came through from Staff. A lot of it I think we've taken into account already. Laura, I didn't see anything that really jumped out at me, other than I know that there is a requirement here that said something about the majority of the parking not wanting to be in front of the building, and I think we've kind of done that. I mean the majority of our parking is around the back. I'd liken it a little bit to Gracenote or what Tribune Media used to be. They have most of theirs kind of around the building, but they do have some parking in the front which is kind of their visitor. MR. TRAVER-And with your, the manufacturing center is in the back. I mean, your employees would be typically. MR. HALL-The majority would be in the back. Yes. Our office set up in the front wouldn't have a significant amount of staff in it. MR. TRAVER-Right. MR. HALL-Most of the stuff is going to be in the back. So we've provided by your Zoning Code what's required. I believe you're required to have 175 spaces. MRS. MOORE-Yes, something to that effect. MR. HALL-Something like that, 176 is what was required by Code. Breaking it out there's obviously three different uses. So we've kind of made a cumulative effort. We're providing 182, just because that's what we've got space for. I mean, I didn't figure that five additional spaces. MR. HUNSINGER-So do you have any uses for that right now? MR. BIELECKI-Not at this very moment, but there's some interest from the broker, some interest from manufacturing, but not at the moment. MR. FERONE-1 know you said this was going to be septic. I thought that sewer came down to the intersection of Luzerne and Media Drive? MR. HALL-It doesn't come under the Northway, though. MR. FERONE-It doesn't come under the Northway. That would be nice. MR. HALL-It would be awesome if it did, but it doesn't. It stops. MR. FERONE-And the cost of extending that is beyond what the cost would be to put in a septic system. MR. HALL-Yes. We'd have to get all the way past Action Equipment, past the Grid right of way. It's probably 4, 500 feet coming up through there, and at this point I know that it was brought to Tribune, but I don't know what direction it goes. I don't know that it actually comes all the way to Luzerne Road. It may stop at Tribune. Because I do not believe it travels any farther down because I know the Veteran's Field, that had to be brought in from the City. We had to bring that in from the City when we did that park down there, and everything that's in the, I believe it's Sunset development, everything on that side of Town is not on public sewer. All the residences that are over there are all on-site septic. MR. FERONE-Yes, I think it goes up Luzerne and cuts across Media. MR. HALL-Yes, I don't know that it does, because I think that the firehouse goes the opposite direction. The West Glens Falls Firehouse goes the opposite direction down into the City. It was picked up going down Holden Avenue because there was talk when we did the tech park, when the City did the tech park, of maybe trying to get out and go that way, and then they determined it was easier because there was a problem with the capacity on that portion of Western Ave. I know when Western Ave. was developed there was a whole infrastructure problem back from that side. So I think that there's a capacity issue right in that little area. So I think that Tribune goes towards Main Street. MR. FERONE-Main Street. MR. HALL-Yes, I don't think it comes the other way and goes down Luzerne. I looked. I have not seen manholes going down Luzerne Road, but I do see one in front of Tribune and going toward that way. So that's my suspicion. Unfortunately, I would love to have it here. MR. TRAVER-Very good. MR. HALL-So obviously our next intent, our intent here was to get here and see, you know, if there's any feedback. I'd welcome any feedback that you have. Our civil engineers are, you know, we're plowing ahead with doing the stormwater management, which we're disturbing four and a half acres. There's a fair amount of that that has to be done, grading and drainage, but the layout itself we're pretty well set with, and we're pretty happy with the traffic flows. I think the easy in and easy out. MR. FERONE-If you got approval, would you build it all at one time or just one building? MR. BIELECKI-No, all at one time. MR. HUNSINGER-I like the design. MR. HALL-It's very flexible. It's set up so that we can do a bunch of different things, depending on, I mean, Bob Sears is doing the sales marketing. So Bob Sears is working with Bog on doing the marketing for it, trying to identify local people that would want to get in there and put some stuff together. It could be anything from contractors who need warehousing space to, you know, light manufacturing areas, and people that just need some office space with some warehousing space as well. So we've got a good mix of different things that we can put in there and I think it's, certainly on that side of Town it's very convenient at Exit 18, as Laura said, right out of Media Drive, hang a right and they're on the Northway either north or south. MR. DEEB-It's well thought out. MR. HALL-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Yes, it is. MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. MR. HALL-I didn't see a whole lot else in the Staff Notes. You said that you're still checking with Warren County, Laura? MRS. MOORE-Right, how we want to proceed with traffic. I don't have a good answer. MR. HALL-Do you know if we have an answer on that, because if one is required, I'd like to get Creighton Manning on that as fast as we can. MRS. MOORE-Actually I would say I should know something soon. I'll get in touch with you about that. MR. HALL-Okay. Great. One of the things that kind of triggered all this when we got started on it, Bog got out and started to cut a road into the space. I'm sure many of you have been by and have seen it. A lot of that is for us to get out there and do some testing. He has, Bruce was on site and asked him to stop working until we had gotten here and at least talked to you. We may have to get in there and dig because it is really heavily overgrown. So we may have to get in there and do a little clearing just to get back to do, to get back into this area back here so that we can do some test pits. MR. TRAVER-Well, you have to prepare an application. MR. HALL-Right, and we just wanted to make the Board aware that if we go in there and do a little additional cutting to be able to get back there, that's what we're doing in full. We're not going in to clear everything. We need to get back there and to get a piece of equipment back there we've got to do some clearing, just so that when Bruce shows up on site again we can at least say we've been here. Because frankly when Bog was out there and Bruce showed up he went, umm. MR. TRAVER-Well, I think as long as the intent is clear that it's for preparing the application and testing. MR. HALL-Right. MR. TRAVER-There shouldn't be a problem. MR. HALL-Well, we just wanted to make everybody aware, everybody on the Board and get it here on the record so that when it happens again no one has any. MRS. MOORE-1 mean, I would just give Bruce a call. MR. TRAVER-So anything else for us? MR. HALL-I don't think so. Is there any other feedback that, I mean, is there anything that jumps out at anybody that you see? I mean, I know lighting is always a big issue. We don't have a lot of residential component around us, which is, you know, having George on the one side. MR. TRAVER-We still are concerned with light pollution. MR. HALL-Absolutely. MR. TRAVER-So even if there isn't any residential, we still want to keep it compliant. MR. HALL-Yes, and that's why we've gone with the fixtures around the outside to light, and then the bollard lighting to kind of do around the building so we've kind of. MR. DEEB-Pretty well covered it all. MR. HALL-The bollard lights I've found really work well to light walking areas at night. MS. WHITE-But it's sideways, right? There's nothing up? MR. HALL-Nothing goes up. It shines directly down on the ground, and they're only maybe four feet tall. MS. WHITE-It's fairly low. MR. HALL-So you don't get any throw of that light. It all comes right down on the sidewalk itself, and then where the sidewalks intersect the building obviously is where a door is and we'd have some kind of a wall mounted down fixture at the door that's required by Code, and we'd have to light all our exits both interior and exterior. So we've tried to, as much as possible, recess the doors into the building, so that we can downlight those from the canopy or from the area right above it. MR. FORD-I'm impressed with the thought that has gone into it at this phase, this early. MR. HALL-To this point, and that's really why we wanted to get in front of you at this point, get a lot of these issues out, because we know that we've got, we know that he's got four and a half acres of stormwater to deal with. So that's a fair amount, and that's the big thing. We want to get those things on the table. MR. DEEB-It will make our site plan review a lot easier now. MR. HALL-Yes. MR. DEEB-I mean, you pretty much gave us a good preview. MR. HALL-Yes. So now we, you know, the next time we come back to you with a full application and all the stormwater information and everything put together, you've got that and hopefully we can get everything to Chazen and get a good letter. MR. DEEB-Well, thank you. Thanks for coming to us first. We appreciate that. MR. HUNSINGER-You're dreaming of a Chazen signoff letter. MR. HALL-Yes, that's what I want to see, first shot. MR. DEEB-That's right. No issues. MR. HALL-Actually I thank you for your time this evening. MR. BIELECKI-Thank you. MR. HALL-We will be back to you as soon as we can get that stuff pulled together. We're hoping for a submission in August to be here for the September meeting. MR. DEEB-Okay. We'll look forward to seeing you again. MR. HALL-Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. MR. TRAVER-That concludes our agenda this evening. I did want to mention to the Board, I know we talked earlier about the issue of establishing some guidelines for nominating committee and we looked at, we did notice that in the by-laws there's reference to a January organizational meeting. We know that won't work. Laura has done some draft suggestions and provided them to me for the committee work. So my goal is just to let everybody know. I'm hoping to have some thoughts on paper, both for proposed by-law revisions and a procedure for people to look at and we can discuss it next month and that would be, if I'm able to get all that done we'll have that sent out with the materials during the month so people have plenty of time to look at it and we can comment on it. MRS. MOORE-Okay. MR. TRAVER-Is there anything else before the Board tonight? MR. FORD-1 move we adjourn. MR. TRAVER-All right. We have a motion to adjourn. All in favor? Any opposed? So we stand adjourned. Thank you. MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF JUNE 27, 2017, Introduced by Thomas Ford who moved for its adoption, seconded by George Ferone: Duly adopted this 27th day of June, 2017, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE On motion meeting was adjourned. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Stephen Traver, Chairman