1989-07-20 SP u
SPECIAL TOXIN BOARD MEETING
JULY 20, 1989
4:44 P.M.
TOWN BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT
Supervisor Stephen Borgos ~1
Councilman George Kurosaka nog,-
Councilman Marilyn Potenza • ` +
Councilman Betty Monahan
Town Attorney-Paul Dusek
TOWN BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT
Councilman Ronald Montesi
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supervisor Borgos-Called the Meeting to order"
RESOLUTION CALLING FOR QUEENSBURY BOARD OIa' HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO. 393, Introduced by Mr. George Kurosaka who
moved for its adoption, seconded by Mrs, Betty Monahan:
P?ESOLVF.D, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury
Hereby modes into the Queensbury Board of Health.
Ptily adopted by the following vote:
Ayes : Mr . Kurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . Monahan, Mr. Borgos
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hoes : None '
Absent : Mr. Montesi
QUEENSBURY BOARD OF HEALTH f
Supervisor Borgos-We are called here tip the purpose of
reviewing the situation, I believe Mr. HatiM has a
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resentation to make . .
Mr . nave Hatin-Director of Building & Codes-Just to give a a
brief history of. what has happened here. Quite a few things
have happened in' the last few days, with Mr. Powell ' s
conper:ation. We were originally called on &-septic
r;omplaint. Upon initial investigation found a septic system
that appeared to be overflowing, originally thought to be
an open cesspool . Everyone is aware af; the procedure we '
v,enf thoi-igh about a week and a half ago where we closed the
building, then removed the closed sign,' , the system
pumped, had the system evaluated by the Town Engineer, the
Town HFcalth Officer and Dan Dre11os from Sanitary Sewage who Y`
is a private contractor. They found no -problems at that :!
particular point. . We observed it over the weekend, this
pact weekend, Burt Martin was there on Saturday and observed
r problems I went there pe-!:sonally myself Monday and did
�i t::icp tha{ the tank had overflowed. We have three pictures
here which will show that it did overflow and while we were
there doing a dye test we flushed the toilet and it did
c�verfiot�l again. Obviously, there was some type of plug in may.
the system where the system is failing. After that, with
Glen' s Cooreration, we, he started to dig up around the tank
to find. out exactly what we had. We uncovered a, what we
I)elieve . to be a three hundred gallon tank. These are the :
first two pictures he took when he first uncovered it. We
took these, then he called us knack we took. three more
pi.-tires which show a better view of the 'sank. It is the
old type metal tanks estimated by the.ITown Engineer Tom
Nace, to be fifteen to twenty years old maybe older.
StApesvisor Borgos-Is this the tank, cover?
71-r . Hatill -Yes. Actually, this would be .the front of the x`
}-�;+k the side of the tank where the, where I would assume
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>A a pipe to pump it out and also you have two
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s,.iperviso, Borgos-When I looked at the pit ,the week before E
'VIO, did not see any tank there, I was looking at this dirt
anal tike material was up here on top the tank.
Mr . Hatin-This one picture does show the pipe. ,
We did not realize until- after, if you look right there, s+
t is the pipe and this is the raw sewage. . .Yesterday,
when I went back to, I had Burt take these other two
pictur. er , 1 also had Tom Nace go over to look at the system.
Tom has since written this letter which he- faxed up to Paul
today . Basically what it says, if I could summerize it .
P- rltd visit the site , he noticed what ``he thought was a
^:sp -,ol. that is in fact a metal tank, 300 gallons
roughly fifteen to twenty years old. There
Naas Wj leaching device off this tank, however there was an
)pen end which would be to the, if you look, at the pictures
it would be this particular photo number 14,-to the right of
the tank you see a cup. That is where;the holding tank
plops go directly to the outside. There; was not a leach
field attached to that, Mr. Powell , I doti �not beleive that
you found any clay pipe attached to it or anything? So
there was no seepage pit or tile field that" woe can tell . It
appears , what we had was, a holding tank that was allowed to
teach out into the ground around it.
Co"ncil.ma.n Kurosaka-Only a 300 gallon tanks
Mr. Hatin-Only a 300 gallon tank, right.
Mr . Powell-There was cement blocks, I found that.
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Mr . Hatin-They found` a lot of stone, up gainst the open
end, it obviously had room to. . .
r'ounci loran Kurosaka--lt was running into a bed of' stone stone then.
Mr. Hatin-A bed of stone, that goes around the tank as far
as WP can tell . Mr. Nace has also recommended that the
system be replaced due to the age of the tank and the
possibility of a failure in°the future, with some type of
tank. I tried to make contact with him as about an hour
acro. He is not in the office this afternoon to see his
recommendation as to what size tank should be placed in
there . This tank now sets fortyfive feet back from the
!7lore line our new ordinance requires fifty feet for the
tank and one hundred feet for the leach °fields or the septic
tale fields or the seepage pits Therre iel= no way that this
property could allow that because of the ., eep grades that
— go u-p behind the house a hundred feety is 'impossible . The
maximsam is probably fifty five to sixty feet if you were to
'Jig ev"t. part of the bank. That is where it stands at this
point , I guess it is up to the Board in what they feel they
rrr corrective measures .
S3iv;ervisor Borgos-Would you state your name and address,
or the record.
"r Glen Powe1l -•RD1 Bay Road, Lake George, N.Y.
°�rox .rl.sor- doges-You may say anything that you would like
tc al-orrt this situation.
!ell-First off, last night, Tom Nace was there he says
`his tank is in good shape right now, but seeing that you
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it fl}?c ,.,I, j would recommend that a. concrete tank be put
in. He said ewe could put in a 500 gallon tank, in which
they do not make anymore but I would agreb ' to 750 or so but xa
lie said we could put a drain field out, two twenty foot to
E make forty foot. So, I was going on thee 'line that either
VIP wc�t=.lcl. go on the 750 tank or l000 gallon holding tank in
the G-ime $ osition. `' The way the trees are which is forty k '°
lave Just mentioned fift
�f�,�, feat �„� � y, did not realize ,
� r f;fty fee+ . The way it is now, if we crush the Pat
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steel tank in there and take that out, usehthe `same pocket t3
instead of moving it back five feet, where ii;:got stumps and
?ctually it would be quite a project if maybe there could
he, just just the same hole that we a1rikady`got dug.
agree that the tank since we got it dug out;kit is metal , it
has been there that long, we would have�to dig it out in
five years or whatever, I agree that a concrete tank should
go in there . If we could work out that itacould be put in
- -the same hole .
supervisor Borgos-Let me ask our Town, Attorney something, I
think he has done some research under the law. Are we „
dealing wit}1 situation of
a repair to a' pre-existing .
^ystem or are we talking now, any repair made has to be
following the new regulations?
Town Attorney Dusek-The question I have and I do not know
whether George can help me out with this or not, or get
another opinion from Tam Nace? The question has to be asked
4n the first instance, is this situation with a tank, and
apparently being able to leach into the ground is this ;
something that was ever allowed fifteen or twenty years ago?
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Cesspools apparently were allowed I do `not know whether
something like this Was ever allowed.
Councilman Kurosaka-Twenty years ago would be the 19701s .
S,�pervisor Bor gos-We do not know the exact date that this
was i.ns±.al. led. x� .
councilman Kurosaka-I had a house in Mass An 1955 that had
a apt gallon metal tank, it is indetermnent in age, it
could be fifty years old. How old a camp it?
Mr. Powell-I would say somewhere around tai`* 1dde 4 ' s• fir•
Linehan had it. I do not think he did' a hing with it.
{ Councilman Kurosaka-They did all kinds 3 ; weird things in
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those days , Concrete blocks in the grbu' nd 'covered with ky,
lugs , put stone on the top with a pipe fnto< it and put sand
around the blocks .
Supervisor Borgos-Is it possible that at system like this
could work under good conditions?
Councilman Kurosaka-I would not want to hang my hat on it.
What I have been designing is a system that function under
the current requations or even the regulations that existed
in 1960 ' s which allows twice the percolation rate you got
today. You will not meet any of the modern conditions I
will tell you. Where has this stuff been going for forty to
fifty years?
Supervisor Borgos-Into the ground, I think.
Mr . Fowell-George , it went back actually it was distributed
ore today and we dug out m Y _
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in ��..st a shot
ran out of it actually.
Councilman Potenza
-You have to realize too., that this is .,
only used two and a half months out of the year. f
Mr. Powell-It was up to about, the past"'year. I do agree
that seeing that we got it dug up we should not leave that
tank.
— Councilman Potenza-What does stem for that ithatsize ebuilding.
Dave? As far as the Septic Sy
MY . Hahn-This is the other problem that presents itself
too , i.t does not have a normal type system. What he has is
the toilet flushes' in this tank the sink the shower and #
else goes into another l;i.Y,cl tank in"back of the house
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tie considered grey water, #normally all that
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would go into one tank. The other thing that presents
i.tsnlf_ , the new regulations ewe just adolted' last week is
made , he has a four bedroom house, that-would call for a
four thousand gallon tank, he does not have the room for a
f-ur thousand gallon tank plus we do not" Ita*e all the grey
grater emptying into it. The other question too, can we
require all this grey water to go into the tank, that is
something Paul and I got into -'a discussion about this after
�'ouncilman Kurosaka-Where does the grey water go, into the
slay well?
Mr- . 3-iatin-I would assume a dry wail
11 ~ . Powell--Yes , it is , it is back further.
Councilman Kurosaka-Some people have got a 'f-ifty-five gallon
dram with holes - punched into it for waWwater, it works
adequate as long as you are in sand. When you are talking
about water from a toilet. . .most of `your"water is not from
your toilet it comes from your bath waters"""'more grey water
+_?yen :Muff from the toilet.
Mr. Hatin-That is what the flows are designed under the
-+oral flow from the house .
Town Attorney Dusek-Maybe I could give you ' i -brief
^:planation of our ordinance. The way it,49 written right
now, actually we have a couple of things that we have k
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ri,pfined under 'the law. We have a sanitary sewage disposal
ordinance and we also have the public health law of the
State of New York. I kind of look at both af ;these what is
the proper legal course would be. Basically the first
stopping point is the sanitary sewage disposal ordinance .
,fiery importantly it says that any system`ihat are properly
functioning and pre-existing before the ordinance would be
allowed to continue and in my opinion that would mean,
properly installed at the time and acceptablesystem at the
time, that is why I asked that question earlier.
Councilman Xurosaka-Back twenty, thirty years ago anything
went.
Town Attorney Dusek-If that is the case then the ordinance
says yofi can continue using these but you can't do anything,
you can' t repair them, you can't alter them you can't
enlarge Them, you can't do anything unless you do something
is-hat is in conformity with the new ordinance. However, it
(If,les ti? /e another section that allows for basical ly minor
r,mpairs to be made, hold system, so 1'think you have a
s .tuatir,n wi -h the ordinance where pre-existing Systems as
i nfT as it is functioning properly is allowed to exists if
oa::i be repaired without too much effort then you can
x epf.i r it if it is functioning and can be repaired. The
now becomes , what if it is not a good system under
'-odays stand.ards and you just do not like it, it says that
evon though you do have a system like tha't''if you find as a
Fl,nard it is unsafe or that it consitutes. a threat to the
P,,,t .}l i.c..` health, safety and welfare. The environmental
q,. ali+:y, permits the seepage of sewage'<waters to ground
surf ar-e. or interferes with the enjoymgn+, or use of the
r:iroperty then you can find it should be replaced. But if
replrcpd they do have to replace under the.. current
=tandaris . 5o I think it is a determination on the part of
the board of whether or not the system can function properly
with some repairs or whether he has to go for an entire new
system. _
Supervisor Borgos-Would one of the repairsIbe possible to go
to the ol.tlet hole side -of that and clear out an area a
hictg
-r !each field? Is -that a possible repair?
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r*r FFa+.; n- .�- z at would involve a variance of this Board.
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councilman Kurosaka-Is there anyplace on the lot. . .
Mr . Hatin-Glen, I know this is something that we have asked,
and I do not think that we have got a real definition, you r;
rtij, to the top of the hill go back. Is that,�
Property also?
Mr. Foweii -It is but there is not enough zoom there . It is
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a ple shaped lot .
Mr. Hatin--How wide would you say it was?
Mr . Fnrr1 t T.t is a 100 pit_ the lake and it goes to the mud
pond in back. So up in that area it would-,probably be about
401 at the top.
Mr. Hatin-So it would be questlonable. , .You have to be 10
feet from both property lines . . .
Supervisor Borgos-Do you have any evidence that this, Paul
gave us a couple of conditions I think, :any evidence that
this is feeding directly into the lake?
Mr . Hatin-Nothing that tie can prove directly, I can say a
septic sample was taken in front of the dock which is kind
of dia.gorial to this , that did show up septic, it is a cove,
cae resampled it, we do not have the results back yet. The
c:ne sample did show up, I do have the results right here.
Supervisor Borgos-Does it prove in any fashion that it came
from this system?
Mr. Hatin-Not conclusively.
Supervisor Dorgos-Did your dye test shots ahy dye color going
in. .
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Mr . Hatin-Not yet, the tank was pumped out after we did the 'r
dye test, once they found out that they - still had a
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prob.I em.
— Mr . Powell-That was quite a while after. They put the dye '
in t:wo bottles at 9:00 a ' clock and at noon; you put another
two bottles in it was pumped the next day.
Mrs . Powell-It was more than 24 hours .
Mr . Hatin-Nothing has shown up in the lake that I know of .
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ruper"visor Borgos-What was the other condition?
Town Attorney Dusek-If it permits seepage of waters to the
z.nu.zad surface and there was an area that you were going to
check with Tom Nace
Mr . Hatin-We did check along the bank and there is no
evidence of where it seeps out along the bank that we could
'i t?_nd. >
councilman Monahan-Mr. Powell do any of your neighbors have
walls there that would be close to the septic system?
l -just mine .
`4.r . Krinpka-Mr . Powell ),as a statement from 'Queensbury Sewer,
which it jay Sweet,, /,hen Jay pumped it out the first time,
pumping it out the pipe you are not going to get the sludge
because there is a baffel in there, yvU 'have to take the :xs
cover off and we dug down four feet to get the cover off. y:
When we did it ° the last time At was. right to the top. A
Powell-What therre was , was 18" that wAs not pumped the
fit t t?.me .
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5.,upervasnr Borgos-Would you identify you
rsel€ for the ~
TT r.rice Knopka_..unopka Construction Company-They came back up
Yi,rr rP J[t the. second time, when you have lines like that
Yo;.1- pump it out all you are doing is getting surface
}nec-aur -I e they cannot get the hose all the way down
t firer e to get the sludge part out. When we took .the top off
w-I.S filled eight to the top. It would mill up within a
J,'. Y of just using water.
{., r'�.a_p-rvi `'or Borgos-You are saying i.t was ,filled with sludge .
Tlrlicp l n. p a--It was not properly ' pumped out. . .
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1-1-1rervi sor Borges-When was the last time it :was pumped out?
ti T—i year, s , Twenty years?
riL Pnwel ] --I had it pumped every couple of years. I did not
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saws not getting it all .
Tlorgos-So that would make a big difference .
V .rosa.ka-The size of it is very small .
("—ancilmt is Monahan-How many people are occupying this place? '
T`nvlrl l --l~'c3ur, actually there ire: eix, there are four
rentinj for another month then they go to college. They have i
been i:h^re since November.
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Supervisor Borgos-Does anyone else have ny, questions?
CCo nci :lman Potenxa-Replacing this with , a cetoont holding tank
{ is not r. ppairing it. . .
1',,)wT) At tnrney Dusek-That would constitute a full replacement
and you would be under the new ordinance. '
:',, rvloor Borgos-A holding tank would fill up every few :
=T, T-0 i n__r}_„ toilet, is 'the only thing going into this . . .
l marl 11, nahan-I do not see why they, would have to do
�.aisthing about their grey water because that system has not
it only says if you have a system that is not
so I do how I can double wammy them.
C "'r:i limn Pofenaa-Hoke long does it take to fill a holding
Mr . 11.4t l.n-I+-. depends on it' s use, how many times that toilet
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cilm3n Monahan- There are the 1 .6 qal'.. toilets now.
'. . P, vve11- Tb I G one is smaller, it is a new toilet it is a
•,,p¢r ,iT_r,r- n,nrgos-I ji.ist worried about getting into a
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t?. � na tr�ar?. where you }gave got to have someone 'pump it out
ca ='.ays , compared with a system that will leach
Tir . Rowell If I could., go 1000 gallon holding tank along the
l -4ke I woulfl r •_,_th,er go with that k
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_ _an<<7 !man ilon han-And have it primped that often? j
rlr. t:( cael l°--Tha.t would be once a month, Jack, he pumps a lot
e law of a week ago.
them once a mont.h. . . .questioned th
`lApervisor Boruos-The week ago late he waffi .talking about is
tha you can have holding tanks, . . :,the rest of the
17til describes . the . size of the holding tank and the the
f. i.e l dr- . Th- new addition was to permit holding tanks, we
didT1' t permit holding tanks. . . . '
Mr . Powe} --Even along the lakes you didn't? ,' +
fig° . Hatin-Let me clarify this . We did permit the new one in.
Year around dT,iwlling required to have a variance.
Town At+-orriey Dusek-One ' aspect of this if, you want to go
for a ho ding tank, that would be a whole new system which
-1 1 id Inoa.n you would have to .be in compliance with our new
(,=-dincince at. this point. our new ordipance says 3000
C1 a 1 1 c 115 ¢,.
l ?-tin-rased on four bedrooms, it is almost 4000 gallons,
'IQ lt, is based on the total water consumption. . .
Tnwn Attorney Dusek-If the holding tank idea that was
gomething +.hat was acceptable to Mr. Powell and the Board
'IJJ-.ed -the idea to remedy the situation then it would be
f yr Mr . Powell to` apply to the Board for
Orie variance he would need would be for the size
{ 1. +lie tank to be able to put in a thousand gallon and
1--�zsibly he ' would need a variance for seperation between
anrl f he l,arh and
r'c7,-incilman Kurosaka-Why would he need a variance for
s f?p e -; n. .
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lit: . Hatin-But you are putting in A new syst+,.. . .
`.lawn Attorney Dusek-You are putting in a new, .j
Gystem, altogether at this point it eliminates the old
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system.
�tnci [mrr Kurosaka-The other part of the system is still
Tofi>r) A orney Dusek-The old system you could leave, the
Councilman Kurosaka-There is a way of figuring how to
sepers+'e tllp wetpr, - my recollection, 2/3 grey water 1/3
`-oilet that is with a five gallon toilet.
Tr wn Al. tryrney Dusek-Then a 3.000 gallon tank.'. .
G Iperviso.r Borgos-Are you also saying that it is possible
that if yoit. were to cover this back up, now that you pumped
tl,e it is possible that this will work with no
l''-"1`lem and pT.a.mp i_t ' once every year or two and it would be
n f�o0°j 5 11 iL-e
FnT7411 rt- Is three hundred gallons and it is way down,
T r-ou l l Put chimney block b1A it still has been in there
awhile and as long as it is dug up 1 would agree . .,
Pnrgos-.Just as long as you understand, if you dig
_ !- ollt arid you put the other thing in then the whole system
+:ls to comply . . . not the grey water the whole part of the new
"y^tP11 "'ToT,t}d have to comply . You `have to get a variance ,
rir .. Flowe 1 1 -I cannot get back far enough, fiver feet
difference there .
!,.Tervisox- Borgos-'That is why you would have to apply for a
vlv ianc�e tlils board would. have to meet again it would have
to lip a prlblic hearing, t3p'l have to do-those, things, it
could be done , we do it all the time, but you just have to
he st.ire , it would take, we are looking at a couple of
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.nc i l,man K, rosaka--Could. you get that thing fifty foot. away
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s f_rom the lake?
rtY • Pn)Wel l,Not.' really George . I have such big bulk right
'-lln1 a 1 did cut them down and gee it was a tremendous size
w9u 1 d have to go up another two and there is no
get the machine in there, it' would all have to be
�`nnA by hand, 'I can do it b hand
y ..just coming over just
rs Hnt,111--To look at the worst of all situations this would
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`711perv; snr Porgos-Once you disturb that soil , it is on the
r ale of a hill George, the tank is on the top, if you
h the soil to get , to put the new tank in, it is hard j
P7,7 . tha.+: soil back again and have it stay there that is
1'? t, ,f the problem here. It is not like it is on flat
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'nlincz lman Honahan--With a holding tank its not going make
? calf any difference how far close it is to the lake it is
'Int going any place .
j 'lpgrvisor Borgos'-It is not suppose to leak. I would not
have a_ problem with it, again we would have to go through
the variance stage in the mean time, do you -have covers for
Mhe «`
metal tank, tfie�e are covers dawn thex•e you have an
open hole , how deep is that hole, three feet?
Mr . r'owf l l-It is six` foot around the tank. ,:It would take a
lay whenever, if I did go the thosarnd could have it
-Onne in a day. 'We could use the one right 'tow as a ho-lding
LRnk and have it pumped ever three days or four days . '
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S,Jper isor. Dorgos-My concern is, personnally to have it
rtlmped out , I think it will work, the evidence would
lT!rizt° 1Q i'. would work until such time as we were to hold a
'pec.il Meeting and go through the variance process. I do .
r ^t '-}- ,ik that you would have to have it pumped out every
11aY 1.)-rau5e °°' it will take care of itself. , My concern is for
Flxe hole that will be there. Is there a way' to block that
off , fence it cuff or do soMething?
T11: . Fc?well-I c:an block that off.
n?-,11 an It rosaka-6nce you put a 1400 gallon tank in there
aril} r!-Jmr�y' block access to it, ' and pump it, there is no
F,�_.orl-M, 1000 rrallens would take care '. .how many flushes, if
a three rxa l l on flush in it?
flushes
lCY , C Y n ons-At thq moment the way this is puriped out,
coming up 4:o the surface, nothing going
fat- as wa know.
metal ±an1r zsrU;, is acting as a holding tank.
f �r a!? sae can ' tell the tank seems to be intact.
t x. Tjorgr,s-There ig no imminent threat` to health or
f r =o w a i± i r now that we can prove .
the interium conditions until we
can g r6bl is h_earina to wive him a variance, the proper
zpextr sor ' Borgos-ls this the Consensus of the Board with
?rstrindInrr that Mr . Powell would fi11.qut an �
�n171 ii t i on for whatever variances , and help you in what : f,
v,. ,ible we would hold the hearing as soon as
pn_F51ale, which appears to be the 8th of August, that looks `
nee-7t�ilaty Is there anyone else here
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do not want to- overlook anybody. I think we
for some kind of a motion from the Board.
the variance , what happens ` if it does not
°argos-Then we wi l-1 have to decide what we are
. . .these same people will hear the variance, plus
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it u to people
the variance the
y w113 open p
will be a public hearing. . .
+, .; Mranahan-They°Q are certain conditions a variance •
meet for its tv grant it, Paul maybe you should
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Town Attorney Tusek--Basically in answer. , to Councilwoman
1� ,r3a�•,:�,, + A parks , in order to get a variance you have to
t the, Board. Basically it says that ordinance shall
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be v;-held a.l- all times right, to its letter, unless you can
l,.- ,�.p 'hat ±here is an un-necessary hardship that would
c9egz-i. , e -the owner of the reasonable use of the land
nvol�fpd. . That is the question that is before the Board.
Tea si ca.l. ly they have to find these things in order to
r that , one, that there are special circumstances
letprma.n _ -
or cr,noitions that they have to identifp. *t th those special
-irci,imT,t.ances or conditions that are . .:,strict compliance
With ' the ordinance would deprive you the reasonable use of
your land . Secondly, they have to make sure that the x
vazi n.re requested or whatever it is yoU want to do would a
detrimental' t4 the purposes of the 4
not he materially and safe and
orb l rs_n-c,e , trying, to kelp things health
el!ert.ljing , or to any other adjoining properties. Or
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conflict to the general policy and plans and
r,bjectil,es 'of the Town. The third thing is the Local Board
cif llea.il-h would have to make sure that this was the minimum
or the least amount of . a variance they can give you to
yesol,,e that particular; problem. . Fin ally, they can always
attach conditions; to the variance if they think that is
necessary . Forinstance, our ordinance is , not written this
y, say there was a h-olding tank only, � they did not have
+,y+_tiirza al_ozat alarm merha.nism and stuff, they may say
You are so close to the water we want you to have
a l 7-rx+ rnnC°li r,i..' rn, that is -he type of condition that they can
impose . I only use that. as an example because in this
l,a.r ti c zl a.r fJase our ordinance provides for alarms and stuff
that would not be an example of a: condition in this
r,s`?r7 '® , There may he something else that they feel would
be appropriate . Basically that is `what they have to do, to
mal.� tiz.at determination that, if you put that in, your
Bor_gos--As I hear this, the owner . of the property
+ie 1, wi"l l ing t:o go for the variances, it seems like a
} f• + +-"A.ctory thing of the Board .
would like to clarify one thing in .my own mind
+±sere this stands . The 'original tank right now
as a holding +.a.nk., they will have to plug up
and use it as a holding tank, fence it in and
as needed', or every three; days or what ever
a-te-rmi r,.e an a,veraae Int.i 1 you get your system.
liorgos--Tons the Board want him to plug it up or
do z ,_z -?�zst leave it open end It is an operating system
z1ou . '1'her s is no evidence that it will not operate now,
y>a.tf_ kie has agreed to go for the variance.
proper leaching facility is not
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operating P g properly. I guess that is why he said in his
letter. it is inadequate as it now exists.
j: C"ocinci lman Kurosaka' Inadquate ' under pz`op " design: If it
works ,
Mr. Latin-When there would be no need to b
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Councilman Kurosaka-If you asked me that it Mould continue
working, no, I could not hang my, hat on 3t
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_ _Zupervi.sor Borgos-Would _ it work for two axed a half weeks?
Councilman Kurosaka-Two and a half to t
h"* .wOoks it would
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probably be ok. it would mean pumping the °*xcess out of it.
2ounci lman Monahan--. . .when you are lettt' it go into a '
+one filled pit, that is what always use , happen in the
# 'd days ,
at:ncilman Kurosaka-That is what it is dol._x , stone filled
Pits surrounding the tank.
Town Attorney Dusek-You are saying that it should be pumped
so it does not over flow- `or something? 4
Councilman Kurosaka-Yes, it should not over flow anyway.
Supervisor Porgos-Now it is cleaned out of solids .
Councilman Xurosaka-'Let him plug it up,, 14CAt run as long
as it does not -overflow, pump it until yoL1' keep the level
down. When we - get to the point we' l4 go to hearing. r'
i S)"Pervi,sor liorgos-We should be there in ;weeks it would
save as long as there is no ,direott poll t.it� the like, it
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aottld save costs, the problem cif `ha�v � pumped 'eve-
very
couple of days .
Councilman Monahan--I f we had the pub iC lx+�r�rin on the 8th
we could approve the. system immediately, uA ks 'the
neighbors had some great reason why we houldn't That
means yr„ col3.1d work on the new system. .
Councilman 'Xvrosaka-Their reasons have got4l o be, not just
Lased cn prejudiced, they do not want it, it has to be based g
on fact
CounciImen 'Monahan-Unless they , come up with some physical
reason why It should not be there.
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ncilman Kurosaka-With a holding tank, what hind. . :
C :)�incilman Monahan-I have _ no idea, I would not think of
a.�ythiriq +hat ' I could think of. .
Y rosa.ka-. . . it is legal to seperete the stuff . . .
xl:ert,zsor - Borgos:'Te need a mouton to approve the continued
+ c� r,f +hi� r
.. system as it is, to he ptpeil as necessary
j l'e-�ween now and such time as a variance would be approved.
" t a pliblic hearing, with the understand n that the owner
has " a greed to` file immediately, tomorfov would be good.
M_= ? at i r-Paul , I have a question. He's is going to be
:yoking at two variances, is that two ..seperatte applications? t
Town Dusek-Hs can do it on one application. ;
--Svpervxsor Borgos-One application for tw6,`'', ianoes:
r'ounc lman Potenza-it is the recommendation of the Hoard
-hat a holding tank replace the present syj to be done as -..:
^^nn as the paper work can be complied with :And the variance r
.t
can be given. .
Supervisor Borgos-The proper outcome p he hearing. . .
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Councilman Monahan-Dave, do you feel t� ' your department
should check this once a week? Do you thit is necessary,
would the neighbors feel better?
Supervisor Borgos--I think it would mak*% everybody feel
better . Do you want that in the motion t64 . . (Agreed to by
the Board)
Councilman Kurosaka-We are asking to use i�he :existing system
as is as a holding tank. .
C'ok ncilman Potenza-That the area be protecited by a fence. . .
cnunci. loran Kur-osaka-Barrier or barricade. «riO odors
eminating from it.
Mr. Hatin-You are going to allow the Systeti a run as it was
originally lout in, to allow the run off o run out of it
Into thP . ..
Supervisor Borgos-You have no evidence td e$t�w that.
Councilman, Monahan--does' it look ' 1 ike x the 'seepage pit is � p
_..blocked in any way Dave.-. .
Mr. Hatim-From what I can tell, when he d it out, it just
a
flowed in and around the tanks . °
RESOLUTION TO,. ALLOW THE USAGE OF EAISTINO SOME SYSTEM KITH
CONDITIONS ,
Introduced by �aC` .T Marilyn Fotenza, 4
RESOLUTION NO. Z3, X9.89 eat a Kurosaka:
W 0 moved for its adoption, eecondo, by g
WHEREA S, the Building Inspector has reoeiVed Vomplaints in.
j eaar: to a sewage system on Glen Lake Ovi ned by Mr. Glenn
l listed on the tax maps as Section# Lot 34 Block 1
a.r <.;
WHEREAS , the Local Board of Health has reviewed, the septic
situation,
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT
pF oLvEp, that the Local Board of Health'-has ordered that
+he si,i r g tank be ��sed as a holding tank until a
-aria.nce can be sought and conditions be.met as follows:
The PoVtel2s Shall immediately file fora sewer
,ariance as follows:
A A Variance from the set back requirements
B A Variance from the size of the sewage holding ti
ts� .
The Powells shall fence in the existing tank
The Powe l l s shall have the systetkir'pumped as needed
a Tlae Torn of Queensbury Building 4-,`.bodes Dept. shall
i z,Vpe.�t the septic system weekly ,
Duly adopted this 20th day of July 198y,%�by the following
Vote
Ayes : Mr . Xurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . han, Mr. Bargos
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Absent:Mr. Mant�ssi �
RFSO[,tITION TO ADJOURN AS BOARD OF HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO. 24,, 1989, Introduced by Mrs. Marilyn Potenza t
for its adoption, seconded by Mr. Stephen Borgos
i 01., 7ED, That the Queensbur Board of Health hereby
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_trl j oui-ns an!! 4-he Town Board reconvenes .
Deily adopted this 20th day of July 1989 by the following
Ayes : Mr . Yurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . Manahan, Mr. Borgos
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Absent : Mr . Montesi
QUEENSBURY TOWN BOARD
'town Attorney Dusek-Reviewed the proposed agreement
regerl.ing the sewer pipe on the Sal Spane property. . .the
gwners have requested amendments to the original
� rPement . . .reviewed the amendments . . .noted that a new
amended agreement will be before th{e ` Board at the next
meeting .
RESOLUTION CALLING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION NO. 394, 1989, Introduced by Mr Marilyn. Potenza
why moved for its adoption, seconded by l'' ,Gteorge Kurosaka: a=
FrS -T VED, that the Town Board hereby maVe'9 into executive
session to discuss personnel and the histtory of employment
; '
o. f' a particular corporation or business,
1)uly adopted this 20th day of July. 1989``b the following
is
vote
_. Ayes : Mr. Yurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs Monahan, Mr. Borgos
Noes : None
^r,serit: MI-. Montesi
lrro, ion the meeting was adjourned.
> ^ti�tlly submitted,
r , s r � lenn M. Dougher
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