02-27-2018 (Queensbury Planning Board 02/27/2018)
QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 27, 2018
INDEX
Site Plan No. 6-2018 James Schneider 1.
Tax Map No. 239.18-1-18
Site Plan No. 8-2018 RAN Entertainment, LLC 3.
Tax Map No. 309.13-2-28
Site Plan No. 18-2018 Luzerne Holdings, Inc. 9.
MODIFICATION Tax Map No. 308.12-1-7.13, 308.12-1-7.2
308.12-1-7.12
THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND
STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES
(IF ANY) AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES.
QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
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FEBRUARY 27, 2018
7:00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT
STEPHEN TRAVER, CHAIRMAN
CHRIS HUNSINGER, VICE CHAIRMAN
DAVID DEEB, SECRETARY
JAMIE WHITE
BRAD MAGOWAN
MICHAEL VALENTINE
MEMBERS ABSENT
JOHN SHAFER
LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE
STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI
MR. TRAVER-Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Town of Queensbury
Planning Board meeting for Tuesday, February 27th, 2018. This is the third meeting for the
month of February, a little unusual for us, although we are going to have three more next month,
and this is the fifth meeting for 2018. We have no administrative items. We have one item of
Old Business. The first item on our agenda is James Schneider, Site Plan 6-2018.
OLD BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN NO. 6-2018 SEAR TYPE: TYPE II. JAMES SCHNEIDER. AGENT(S):
JEFFREY DOAK. OWNER(S): 14 LADD LANE, LLC. ZONING: WR. LOCATION: 14
LADD LANE. APPLICANT PROPOSES RENOVATION OF A FRONT ENTRY AND IN-FILL
PORCH. PROJECT INCLUDES A 58 SQ. FT. ADDITION TO DEVELOP KITCHEN AREA,
THEN A 59 SQ. FT. FRONT ENTRY PORCH WITH A 46 SQ. FT. PORCH AREA.
PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 & 179-6-050 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE,
EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING
BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: 2017 SEPTIC ALT., RC-
000678-2017 ADDITION, AV 7-2018. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: FEBRUARY 2018.
SITE INFORMATION: CEA, LGPC. LOT SIZE: .27 ACRE. TAX MAP NO. 239.18-1-18.
SECTION: 179-3-040; 179-6-050.
JEFF DOAK, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-Okay. The other evening the Zoning Board did grant the variance request. So
the applicant received relief from a 75 foot setback requirement. The project includes the front
entry and a front infill porch area. The project includes 58 sq. ft. addition to develop the kitchen
area and a 59 sq. ft. front entry porch with a 46 sq. ft. porch area.
MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Hello.
MR. DOAK-Good evening.
MR. TRAVER-1 remember we discussed this application before you went to the ZBA. Correct
for the variances?
MR. DOAK-Right.
MR. DEEB-Can you identify yourself for the record.
MR. DOAK-Jeff Doak.
MR. TRAVER-And you received your variance.
MR. DOAK-Correct.
MR. TRAVER-And as a result of your discussion with the ZBA, were there any changes to your
proposal?
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MR. DOAK-No changes.
MR. TRAVER-No. Okay. All right. Well, are there any questions, comments from members
of the Planning Board?
MS. WHITE-It seemed to be pretty straightforward when we talked about it before.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. We talked about this as a pre-existing structure. All right. We do have
actually a public hearing on this application as well. So let's go ahead and open the public
hearing. Is there anyone in the audience who wanted to address the Planning Board on this
application? Okay. I'm not seeing anyone. Laura?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-I do have a letter.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MRS. MOORE-This is addressed to our Secretary. I have no objection to James Schneider's
proposed project." This is John Boomer, 23 Woods Point Lane.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Then we will close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-This is a SEQR Type II. So there's no SEQR action required by the Board this
evening. So I guess if there are no questions or further comments, we're ready for a motion.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP # 6-2018 JAMES SCHNEIDER
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for Site Plan approval
pursuant to Article 9 of the Town zoning Ordinance for: Applicant proposes renovation of a front
entry and infill porch. Project includes a 58 sq. ft. addition to develop kitchen area, then a 59 sq.
ft. front entry porch with a 46 sq. ft. porch area. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 & 19-6-050 of
the Zoning Ordinance, expansion of a non-conforming structure shall be subject to Planning
Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 02/27/2018 and
continued the public hearing to 02/27/2018, when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including
02/27/2018;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 6-2018 JAMES SCHNEIDER; Introduced by David Deeb
who moved for its adoption;
Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions:
1) Waivers requestrg anted:
2) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) If application was referred to engineering, then engineering sign-off required prior to
signature
of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
b) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site
plan/survey, floor
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plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site
improvements,
c) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator
or Building
and Codes personnel;
d) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of
Building
Permit and/or the beginning of any site work;
e) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
f) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to
be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy;
g) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 27th day of February, 2018 by the
following vote:
AYES: Mr. Magowan, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Valentine, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Shafer
MR. TRAVER-All right. You're all set.
MR. DOAK-Thank you very much.
MR. TRAVER-Well good luck with your project.
MR. DOAK-Thank you very much.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Next we have two items under New Business. The first being RAN
Entertainment, LLC, Site Plan 8-2018.
NEW BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN NO. 8-2018 SEAR TYPE: UNLISTED. RAN ENTERTAINMENT, LLC.
AGENT(S): NACE ENGINEERING, PC. OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING:
CLI. LOCATION: 235 CORINTH ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ADD 34 NEW
PARKING SPACES (7,513 SQ. FT.) NEW PAVEMENT AND A 375 SQ. FT. ACCESSORY
STRUCTURE TO AN EXISTING TRAMPOLINE RECREATIONAL FACILITY. PROJECT
INCLUDES UPDATE TO GRADING AND STORMWATER. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-
3-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, NEW CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE SUBJECT TO
PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SP 149-2016.
WARREN CO. REFERRAL: FEBRUARY 2018. LOT SIZE: 3.86 ACRES. TAX MAP NO.
309.13-2-28. SECTION: 179-3-040.
TOM NACE, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-Okay. The applicant proposes to construct 34 new parking spaces. This
includes new pavement of approximately 7,513 sq. ft. In addition he proposes an accessory
structure of 375 square feet to be used for maintenance of the site, a snow blower or snow
removal, salt and things such as that. The 34 parking spaces are on the east side of the lot
and they are on the opposite side of the building and tree removal is proposed.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. NACE-Good evening. For the record, Tom Nace with Nace Engineering. This is Rusty
Saunders from RAN Entertainment. It's a fairly simple project. We'd like to add 34 new
parking spaces to keep up with the demand of a growing business.
MR. TRAVER-Yes, and I think when we first looked at this project I think we had a discussion
that we anticipated that it might be possible that you would need some.
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RUSTY SAUNDERS
MR. SAUNDERS-Yes, there was 10 future in there. Actually I did them at the time of
construction just in case.
MR. TRAVER-Well it's good that your business is doing well.
MR. SAUNDERS-Yes.
MR. TRAVER-Yes, I know we went over this, you know, you said you only needed 68 and I
went out on a limb and said give them 68. Now you need more. That's great. I'm happy the
business is booming, and this is one of the reasons why I hate to put more than you need, and
then if you need to come back, it wasn't too difficult, was it?
MR. SAUNDERS-No.
MR. TRAVER-Not so far anyway. Okay, and then with regard to the storage shed, I
understand for equipment and shovels and so on.
MR SAUNDERS-1 have a loader there, a small loader.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So what were you doing with that equipment up to this point?
MR. SAUNDERS-It just sits outside all day.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. SAUNDERS-So I just want to put it out of the weather.
MR. TRAVER-Sure. It makes sense. Okay.
MR. HUNSINGER-So did you buy that loader just to keep up with your parking lot?
MR. SAUNDERS-Yes.
MR. HUNSINGER-Wow. The only question I had was on the lighting. I saw the new light
poles. It looks like the fixtures are the same as the existing fixtures.
MR. SAUNDERS-We added some on that east wall that wasn't even on the plan. So we
already have the wall packs on there, but I want to get poles around the rest. So however
many it takes to go down through there, that's what we're going to do.
MR. NACE-They're the same fixtures used up front.
MR. SAUNDERS-Yes, they'll be the same pole.
MR. NACE-Just a single arm instead of a double arm.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. The only concern I have is the houses that are to the east, and if
there's going to be any spillage because you didn't really give us the.
MR. SAUNDERS-1 think everything's going to be coming back towards the building. It's only
going the length of the building.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR. VALENTINE-You're done with lighting?
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. VALENTINE-Okay. In the Staff Notes we got, and I did ask Laura about this before, there
was a note in here, and I was working without plans on it, and it says that existing trees are to
be removed.
MR. SAUNDERS-Yes.
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MR. VALENTINE-All right, and then on the next page it says no additional landscaping is
proposed, and I didn't have a landscaping plan to work with. So you're removing but not
replacing anything?
MR. SAUNDERS-Well, I mean I think there's probably just enough for a parking lot there.
There's no, it's just going to be parking lot, still behind the building. All the landscaping is still up
front.
MR. NACE-It's off to the east of the building.
MR. SAUNDERS-To the east. I mean it's all woods right now. It's just scrub pines right now.
MR. VALENTINE-Based on what we have up there?
MR. SAUNDERS-It's behind that garage. The property line actually is six feet into that garage.
So it's straight down that way.
MS. WHITE-But there's nowhere else on that property you could put some more landscaping?
Some more trees? Replace what's there now?
MR. NACE-There's really no impact there.
MR. SAUNDERS-Believe me. If you ask me it's kind of over-landscaped as it is, but there's
100's of plants there, and like I say down that side it's going to be a parking lot. It's not going to
be.
MR. NACE-There's no adjacent use to buffer, have landscaping to buffer.
MR. VALENTINE-No existing use now?
MR. NACE-That's correct.
MR. VALENTINE-Vacant land, vacant lot?
MR. NACE-Well it's the lot behind the house.
MR. MAGOWAN-So how did the garage get on your property?
MR. SAUNDERS-It was an encroachment issue from the beginning. It didn't get resolved, so I
just bought it.
MR. MAGOWAN-You bought the whole house?
MR. SAUNDERS-No, the extra 30 feet through that garage. It wasn't ever going to get
resolved.
MR. MAGOWAN-What a nice neighbor. Do you have to do snow removal on that quarter part?
MR. SAUNDERS-No, I don't get over that far.
MR. MAGOWAN-All right.
MR. TRAVER-Anything else before we open the public hearing?
MS. WHITE-Yes. I have one more thing. We, you know, channeling Mr. Ford here, but we
have requested some amount of permeable pavers. Is that, any kind of permeable? I mean
this is a lot that we're, you know, it's already a lot of pavement and now we're increasing the
pavement. What's the possibility of doing something?
MR. SAUNDERS-It's not affecting any part of the look of the front of the building.
MS. WHITE-It's not the look. It's the permeability.
MR. NACE-One hundred percent of the stormwater now, even up to a 100 year storm, and with
the addition of this additional pavement for the parking.
MS. WHITE-And there's no landscaping being replaced and no permeability being replaced.
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MR. NACE-Can I finish, please?
MS. WHITE-And we're adding to impervious.
MR. NACE-We're also infiltrating 100% of the runoff from everything on site.
MR. TRAVER-And there are good soils in that area.
MR. NACE-Beautiful sandy soils and infiltrating everything.
MR. TRAVER-So, bottom line for stormwater, I mean, nothing is leaving this site. It's all going
into the ground. The only difference, I think, between the stormwater management system and,
of course I'm not an engineer, but my observation would be the only difference between the
water is how it would move from, when it falls and how it enters the ground, and the way they
have their plan laid out it goes through stormwater management, whereas permeable pavers, it
would be like a lawn where it would go basically straight through, but they've already got
infrastructure to handle stormwater there so, you know, and they're within Code and they have
to get approval for the engineer. So if it's just a matter of managing the stormwater, they've
been able to do that.
MS. WHITE-They've done that.
MR. DEEB-That's what the permeable pavers help with the water going into the ground, which
it's not necessary at this point because we have stormwater management already.
MR. TRAVER-Well it's also effective in areas where it's difficult to have more robust stormwater
management systems like rain gardens and that type of thing.
MS. WHITE-1 guess it's just the concept. It just feels like we're taking away and we're not
putting anything back.
MR. TRAVER-Yes, understood.
MR. DEEB-It's just in honor of Tom Ford.
MS. WHITE-Correct. He's not here.
MR. TRAVER-He definitely would be asking that question. You're absolutely right. All right.
We do have a public hearing on this project. Is there anyone here that wanted to address the
Planning Board on this application? I'm not seeing any. Laura, are there any written
comments?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Well, then we'll close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-This is an Unlisted application under SEAR. Now we did SEQR originally. So
we should be able to re-affirm the previous SEAR. Is there any members of the Board that feel
that the addition of these parking spaces has an environmental impact that would cause us to
change our original findings? Okay. Then I guess we can entertain a motion to re-affirm the
SEAR.
RESOLUTION RE-AFFIRMING NEGATIVE SEQR DEC. SP # 8-2018 RAN
ENTERTAINMENT
The applicant proposes to add 34 new parking spaces (7,513 sq. ft.), new pavement and a 375
sq. ft. accessory structure to an existing trampoline recreation facility. Project includes update
to grading and stormwater. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, new
construction shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is
subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act;
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The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental
Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the
regulations of the Town of Queensbury;
No Federal or other agencies are involved;
Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant;
Whereas, the Planning Board adopted Resolution SP PZ 149-2016, on 07/19//2016 adopting
SEQRA determination of non-significance, and
Upon review of the information recorded on the EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of
Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency reaffirms that this project will result in no significant
adverse impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental impact statement need
not be prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued.
MOTION TO REAFFIRM NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN 8-
2018 RAN ENTERTAINMENT, LLC. Introduced by David Deeb who moved for its adoption,
seconded by Michael Valentine.
Duly adopted this 27th day of February, 2018 by the following vote:
AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Valentine, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Shafer
MR. TRAVER-All right. You're all set. Good luck.
MS. WHITE-We've still got to do the Site Plan.
MR. TRAVER-Sorry, one more motion to go.
MRS. MOORE-Mr. Chairman, before you continue, if the applicant can provide information on
the final plan set that shows the tree line because right now it doesn't appear there's any,
there's not a tree line on here. You're removing one tree line, but there's still trees in between
the parking lot and then adjoining the property. That physically doesn't disappear. So maybe
we can just put the tree line on.
MR. NACE-The clearing limits.
MRS. MOORE-1 just was looking for the existing tree line that runs this way and you're going to
do the tree line probably along here.
MR. SAUNDERS-Right.
MRS. MOORE-But if we just put that on the drawing, that that gives some guidance to the
Board that there are existing trees that are remaining on that one line, or on the other side of the
property.
MS. WHITE-You have a note, too, that you're looking for the lighting also to be provided on the
plans, the details?
MRS. MOORE-The details of the lighting.
MS. WHITE-So it needs to be re-done anyway, right?
MRS. MOORE-Right.
MS. WHITE-Okay.
MRS. MOORE-Because right now they don't have the detail of the wall packs.
MR. SAUNDERS-Well the wall packs are already there.
MRS. MOORE-On the physical plan itself just those details.
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MR. MAGOWAN-We don't want you to sneak a couple of more in on us. Do you know what I
mean?
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Very good. If we have those additions, I guess we're ready for the
actual.
MR. DEEB-Okay.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP # 8-2018 RAN ENTERTAINMENT
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board. Applicant proposes to add
34 new parking spaces (7,513 sq. ft.), new pavement and a 375 sq. ft. accessory structure to an
existing trampoline recreation facility. Project includes update to grading and stormwater.
Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, new construction shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to
the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant
to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative
Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 02/27/2018 and
continued the public hearing to 02/27/2018, when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including
02/27/2018;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 8-2018 RAN ENTERTAINMENT, LLC; Introduced by
David Deeb who moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1) Waivers requested granted;
2. Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction
fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community
Development staff;
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the
Wastewater Department for its review, approval, permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building
permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the
Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to
signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site
plan/survey, floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the
building and site improvements;-
f) If required, the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit from Construction Activity" prior to the start of any site
work.
b. The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site, for review by staff:
i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm
Water Pollution Prevention Plan) when such a plan was prepared and
approved;
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ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit, or an individual SPDES permit issued for the
project if required.
g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel;
h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of
Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work;
i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to
be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans
I) Tree line to be shown on the final site plan.
m) Lighting details to be shown on the final site plan.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 27th day of February, 2018 by the
following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Valentine, Mr. Magowan, Ms. White, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Shafer
MR. TRAVER-Now you're all set.
MR. NACE-Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-And next under New Business we have Luzerne Holdings, Site Plan Modification
18-2018.
SITE PLAN (MODIFICATION) 18-2018 SEAR TYPE: UNLISTED. LUZERNE HOLDINGS,
INC. AGENT(S): NACE ENGINEERING. OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING:
CLI. LOCATION: WEST DRIVE & LUZERNE ROAD. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO
COMPLETE RIGHT OF WAY 40 FT. ACCESS ROAD FROM LUZERNE ROAD ON -7.12
THROUGH -7.2 TO HAVE ACCESS TO -7.13. PROJECT INCLUDES STORAGE BUILDING
AND PARKING AREA PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED WIT H ASSOCIATED SITE WORK.
RIGHT OF WAY WORK INCLUDES GRADING AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, 800 +/-
FT. OF LANDSCAPING TO BE INSTALLED ALONG PROPERTY LINE OF STORAGE
BUILDING PORTION. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-9-120 OF THE ZONING
ORDINANCE, MODIFICATION TO AN APPROVED SITE PLAN SHALL BE SUBJECT TO
PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SP PZ 93-2016
4800 SF COLD STORAGE, SUB MOD. PZ 110-2016; DKC SUB 4-2012 3 LOTS, LH SUB 18-
2005 2 LOTS, SP 10-2004 STORAGE BLDGS., SP 5-2012 MATERIAL STORAGE AREA;
DISC. 2016; SP (M) 35-2017, SP 26-2017, AV 25-2017. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: N/A.
LOT SIZE: 5.18 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 308.12-1-7.13, 308.12-1-7.2, 308.12-1-7.12.
SECTION: 179-9-120.
TOM CENTER, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura, can you give us some background?
MRS. MOORE-This project is in reference to the right of way component, access from, so on
Luzerne Road there's a current access drive that was constructed not according to plans. The
applicant's back before this Board, is modifying his application so it only includes the two front
lots. So we're only talking about the road construction area and a proposed storage building
that was supposed to be located back here, okay. There's another application that when we
first talked about the access road was going to occur back here. That's all pending. This
applicant that owns this property still has to go through engineering review and complete their
SWPPP. In this sense for this application that's before us it's these two lots, and we're only
talking about the storage building that's here, and the access drive onto Luzerne Road.
MR. TRAVER-Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. CENTER-Good evening. Tom Center representing Luzerne Holdings, Mr. Steves and Mr.
Clute. Like Laura explained, to give you a little background, when we were initially here before
you before Luzerne Holdings, the storage building, the access and the building was all off of
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West Drive. We had that approved. We had engineering signoff for all the stormwater
management for the storage building and the driveway access. Then Mr. Steves and Mr. Clute
decided to subdivide the parcel and there was some discussion that based on what happened
with West Drive and the traffic and the access and the neighbors that had come out, listening to
them, to access these parcels, we developed the easement across which would be Lot Two,
that would go across Lot Two onto Luzerne Holdings' parcel and then out to Lot Three that was
being created, so that vehicle traffic could enter on the more industrial side as opposed to the
neighborhood side on the other side, and originally at that time when we proposed that, we left
the design of the road to the person that was going to purchase this, the rear lot, Lot Three. So
we didn't get in, the design wasn't part of Luzerne Holdings' application at the time. It was
going to be developed by the person that bought the rear lot. Since then that person had
started constructing the road, as Laura said, went through engineering comments. Mr. Steves
and Mr. Clute have taken the responsibility for the road back onto themselves, and tied it into
the Luzerne Holdings parcel. Mr. Clute also owns the DKC. He still owns Lot Two, but it's
under, you know, they're working on a contract to sell it to someone. So in order to facilitate
that sale, they took responsibility for creating this road in its location as was approved, the
center of the easement, 20 foot wide road What we're proposing here is our grading plan, and
grading the road so it drains towards the Luzerne Holdings parcel into an infiltration trench, and
then if that infiltration trench ever were to over fill, it would go into the stormwater drainage that
we already have on Luzerne Holdings. I know we have several engineering comments. They
did not tie in Luzerne Holdings' site plan, and we had explained that. I really don't think they
saw the stormwater plan that I did submit. I did submit a stormwater plan for this, and it
referenced the Luzerne Holdings one that was already approved. We're just discharging into it.
So we added the area for this road into the Luzerne Holdings' stormwater plan. It's going to, I'll
just have to work it out with the Town Engineer to explain how the two projects mesh together.
I don't foresee any issue here. Well drained sands over here. There really isn't a problem.
The issue is getting this road in the right location. Stormwater is not going to be a problem, if
this design is approved allowing it to go from one parcel to another. He owns both parcels right
now. It'll be an agreed upon thing with the easement right when the parcel is sold. It's also,
this easement is also owned by multiple entities. The people on Lot Two can use this
easement to get to their parcel, to this parcel if they ever develop it. It's one entrance. So they
can come off here and access this parcel. Mr. Steves and Luzerne Holdings and Mr. Clute can
also use it to access their parcel if need be and then for Lot Three. So all of them maintain the
right to use this road. So they also share in the stormwater management, but we've directed it
towards the existing facilities that were, since there are none.
MS. WHITE-So it'll be part of any future contracts if it's sold.
MR. CENTER-Part of any future contracts, part of any future development with regard to this
stormwater for the road going in that way. Anything else would have to be developed on their
own parcels, and there's no other comment access or easement.
MR. HUNSINGER-You're proposing to re-do your site plan for Lot Two, though.
MR. CENTER-That is correct. We are not re-doing the site plan. Still going to enter off West,
but because it crosses the parcel they retain the right to, if they ever needed to, access their
parcel from that road.
MR. TRAVER-Interesting.
MR. HUNSINGER-Will Lot Three ever have access from West?
MR. CENTER-No. It has road frontage, but the subdivision for that was based on this
easement. If they ever were to, they'd have to come back before the Planning Board.
MR. MAGOWAN-Is that a paper road, too?
MR. CENTER-Excuse me?
MR. MAGOWAN-Is that a paper road?
MR. CENTER-What's that, West, or the one that we're?
MR. MAGOWAN-No, all the way down there Lot Three. Doesn't that end somewhere?
MR. CENTER-Right now it's shown to end at the property line. Mr. Howard who owns that lot
who was in contact with me earlier this week, we're finalizing for us to take over stormwater
management design for what's there and bring back to Craig an Laura whatever corrections
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need to occur so that that project can move forward, but this access road is something that Mr.
Steves and Mr. Clute need to get resolved so that Lot Two can be sold.
MR. VALENTINE-So that's just an access road? That's not a road that would be?
MR. CENTER-It's not. It's a Town road. It's just a road that is accessed and eased by three
different parcels. Actually in stormwater management terminology it's shared access and you're
not creating three different entrances. It's really a shared entrance to Luzerne Road.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. This project also has a public hearing. Are there any other questions or
comments from members of the Board before we go to the public hearing? Then we'll open a
public hearing on this application. Is there anyone here that wanted to address the Planning
Board on this project? Are there any written comments?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-There's no written comments.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we will close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-This is also a SEQR Unlisted. So we do have a SEQR review that is required.
And we did look at part of this property with the previous application, but not this aspect of the
access road. We do have a draft resolution. Are there any members of the Planning Board
that feel that there are environmental impacts that would require us or advise us to go through a
detailed SEQR review? No? Okay. Then I guess we can entertain a SEQR resolution.
RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEQR DEC. SP MOD # 18-2018 LUZERNE
HOLDINGS
The applicant proposes to complete right of way 40 ft. access road from Luzerne Road on -7.12
through -7.2 to have access to -7.13. Project includes storage building and parking area
previously proposed with associated site work. Right of way work includes grading and
stormwater management, 800 +/- ft. landscaping to be installed along property line of storage
building portion. Pursuant to Chapter 179-9-120 of the Zoning Ordinance, modification to an
approved site plan shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
The Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is
subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act;
The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental
Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the
regulations of the Town of Queensbury;
No Federal or other agencies are involved;
Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant;
Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of
Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse
impacts on the environment, and, therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be
prepared. Accordingly, this negative declaration is issued.
MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATION 18-
2018 LUZERNE HOLDINGS, INC. Introduced by David Deeb who moved for its adoption.
As per the resolution prepared by staff.
1. Part II of the Short EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board.
2. Part III of the Short EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify
potentially moderate to large impacts.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 27th day of February, 2018 by the
following vote:
AYES: Mr. Valentine, Mr. Magowan, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Traver
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NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Shafer
MR. TRAVER-All right, and next we move on to the Site Plan motion.
MRS. MOORE-1 would suggest adding language as a potential condition that the easement
language be included on the site plan drawing itself, so that whoever picks up this property next
knows that there's an easement and that language should be clear on that site drawing.
MR. VALENTINE-Well that brings me to the question that I was going to ask in the same regard,
in that the site plans are going to get filed and recorded, right, the maps will. The site plans?
MR. CENTER-The plat will be.
MRS. MOORE-The subdivision plat if it modifies the plat. That's the only time it gets filed. The
site plans are filed with the Town itself.
MR. VALENTINE-Right, but the question I was going to say, not only that, is that we're saying,
okay, you have some kind of a subdivision maps and you have shared access drive.
MR. CENTER-1 believe that was on the approved subdivision that went through.
MRS. MOORE-1 believe it was also, and I'm not, I'd have to double check on the subdivision
plat as well.
MR. VALENTINE-1 think the point is saying okay you have three different owners going to be
using that same access, and then is there a maintenance agreement? Is there anything in that
like that? You're dealing with stormwater and you're looking at three lots saying we're going to
take care of it, but if there's something in Lot Two, in the middle of this that's unknown right now.
MR. CENTER-Right. Well, Lot Two, when it becomes developed, will have to come back
before the Planning Board to have its stormwater management reviewed. Similar to Lot Three,
it has to have its stormwater management approved by the Town Engineer and his engineering
comments signed off. So anything new that would occur there is going to be before the
Planning Board.
MR. VALENTINE-There are two other lots that could have the same concern. Is there
something in One or Three that does something that somehow impacts that stormwater
management or impacts the use of the access easement?
MR. CENTER-Well, no, it's developed. We are showing with this application that we are taking
care of the stormwater from this road. It is being treated on this parcel. If it were go overflow,
the direction of its overflow is the direction that it would normally go, which would be in the
direction of Luzerne Holdings and Luzerne Holdings already has stormwater management that
has enough capacity to manage it. So there's not a real issue with stormwater management in
these soils, but I mean we're talking about well drained soils.
MR. TRAVER-Any additional development is going to come with stormwater management.
MR. CENTER-Any additional development is going to have to come before you with stormwater
management. I don't take any objection if we need to show the easement clearly on here. We
can put some language on here that shows the easement, or its access, or a note.
MR. TRAVER-Well I would think that would be to your advantage.
MRS. MOORE-For everyone's comfort level.
MS. WHITE-Is the public hearing closed?
MRS. MOORE-It is.
MS. WHITE-Because we obviously have some comments to acknowledge.
MRS. MOORE-I'm assuming it's just a clarification.
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MR. CENTER-For a level of comfort, I understand Mr. McDonald is looking to purchase Lot
Two. They have to complete the contract. They have a contract on the table between the two
parties. They're working through that. We will work with them to put a note on the drawing
that shows who's responsible. I mean Mr. O'Connor was actually filling me in on that all three
of them have access to that. So we were discussing that. So whatever language the two
parties can agree on, or three parties. Mr. Howard already knows he has an easement across
it. He doesn't own it. It's an easement. It's a use easement. So whatever language that
would have to occur, we'll work with them.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So, Laura, just to clarify, what you're recommending in that we ensure
that the final submitted plans include a statement to the effect that this road is an easement to
access the properties? Is that right?
MRS. MOORE-Something to that effect.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. MAGOWAN-Should we ask Mr. O'Connor up to the table? Obviously he might be able to
clarify Number Two a little for us.
MS. WHITE-But is that part of what we're talking about tonight?
MRS. MOORE-It's not, but I think what Tom Center's saying is that they'll end up working with
the applicant. I don't have a problem with Mr. O'Connor speaking.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. CENTER-There's surveyor and lawyer language that this engineer probably doesn't have
correct. So we'll let them figure it out, and as long as it's agreeable to the others.
MR. TRAVER-Well, if you have something to add, we won't call it public comment because
you're going to be a party.
MICHAEL O'CONNOR
MR. O'CONNOR-I'm Michael O'Connor. I represent Coby McDonald who is the contract
vendee of Lot Number Two. He has reviewed the plans and understands it and doesn't have
an objection to it. My suggestion would be that, I don't believe that the original subdivision
showed this right of way because the issue of the right of way arose after the subdivision. So I
think it would be to the benefit of everybody that the final map be filed in the County Clerk's
Office with notation that the roadway shown on there is actually on Lot, and maybe for your
benefit it is actually on Lot Two. That's why I feel that I should speak. It's not on the other
properties. It is a non-exclusive right of way that serves Lots Two and, well it serves, for the
owners, it serves Lots One, Two and Three. It's as simple as it could be.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So is it your recommendation that an updated subdivision map be filed?
MR. O'CONNOR-1 don't think that's required or should be required.
MR. TRAVER-Well you mention an updated map submitted to the County. So that's beyond
the purview of a site plan.
MR. O'CONNOR-You could file a site plan map and it's public notice to anybody that's looking
at the property.
MRS. MOORE-So you're suggesting file that site plan map.
MR. O'CONNOR-Just make a mylar of this map and file it with notation on there that it is a non-
exclusive easement serving Lots One, Two and Three.
MR. VALENTINE-You can do it. Subdivision maps are required to be filed. Site Plan could be
done. It's not a requirement. It's a recommendation.
MRS. MOORE-I've never had them done. So that's, I mean.
MR. TRAVER-We can look into that.
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MRS. MOORE-It's up to the Board if they think the map, the site plan with the notation should
be a filed map and you would have to make that recommendation as part of your motion.
MR. TRAVER-Well, there's really two steps. One is that we make the notation. We make a
condition that that notation be on the site plan, and then we recommend that a copy of the site
plan be filed with the County.
MRS. MOORE-1 mean recommend versus making them do it.
MR. TRAVER-Well, it's a recommendation not a requirement.
MR. DEEB-Then we can't put it on the resolution.
MR. TRAVER-We can just make a note it's not a requirement of the resolution, but we can, well,
it's part of the record.
MR. DEEB-You can't put it on the resolution if it's not a requirement. Right?
MR. TRAVER-We don't need to. It's part of the record. It's part of the discussion. Any other
questions or comments on this application from members of the Board? Yes?
MR. VALENTINE-Tom, will there be a response letter to Chazen's?
MR. CENTER-Yes.
MR. VALENTINE-All right. I'm just saying there just seemed to be a timing issue as far as your
letter versus when they were talking about the other stuff there.
MR. CENTER-Right. I don't think they referred to the Luzerne Holdings project when they were
trying to bring it all together and they might have gotten confused with the letter that was sent to
Howard's for that parcel, because that access road was originally, for them its most recent was
on the Howard parcel.
MR. TRAVER-So you're confident, once you put this in context, the engineer will understand the
scope.
MR. CENTER-Yes because we already have the NOI. We just have to add this road to the NOI
for Luzerne Holdings. We've already got that in draft. We're just adding this disturbance to
that. The cleared area goes on there and the stormwater management was just an extension
of what we had approved for Luzerne Holdings just for this road and what we're doing here.
MR. TRAVER-Gotcha. Okay. All right. Anything else from members of the Board? All right.
I guess we're ready for a draft motion.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP MOD # 18-2018 LUZERNE HOLDINGS, INC.
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board. Applicant proposes to
complete right of way 40 ft. access road from Luzerne Road on -7.12 through -7.2 to have
access to -7.13. Project includes storage building and parking area previously proposed with
associated site work. Right of way work includes grading and stormwater management, 800 +/-
ft. landscaping to be installed along property line of storage building portion. Pursuant to
Chapter 179-9-120 of the Zoning Ordinance, modification to an approved site plan shall be
subject to Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project, pursuant
to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative
Declaration — Determination of Non-Significance
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 02/27/2018 and
continued the public hearing to 02/27/2018, when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all
comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including
02/27/2018;
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The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN MODIFICATION 18-2018 LUZERNE HOLDINGS, INC.;
Introduced by David Deeb who moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1) Waivers requested granted;
2. Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction
fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community
Development staff;
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the
Wastewater Department for its review, approval, permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building
permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the
Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to
signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site
plan/survey, floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the
building and site improvements;-
f) If required, the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit from Construction Activity" prior to the start of any site
work.
b. The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site, for review by staff:
i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm
Water Pollution Prevention Plan) when such a plan was prepared and
approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC
SPDES General Permit, or an individual SPDES permit issued for the
project if required.
g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel;
h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of
Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work;
i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to
be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans
I) Easement language details be included on the site plan.
m) Easement right of way to serve Lots One, Two, and Three also be included on the site
plan.
Motion seconded by Jamie White. Duly adopted this 27th day of February, 2018 by the following
vote:
AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Valentine, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Shafer
MR. TRAVER-All right. You're all set.
MR. CENTER-Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-Is there any other business before the Board this evening? Laura, do you have
anything for us?
MRS. MOORE-I don't have anything, just a reminder that there are three meetings next month.
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MS. WHITE-It will be the same dates.
MR. TRAVER-And when we laid out our calendar we actually, in anticipation of our workload,
we set three meetings for March and actually three for April. We don't know yet if we're going
to need three in April, but Laura did confirm last week that we are going to be required to meet
three times in March and those dates are already on our draft calendar. They're the 13tH 20th
and 27th
MRS. MOORE-The packets will be ready next week some time. So I'm assuming by
Wednesday they'll be ready.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Good. Thank you. All right. I guess we're ready for our motion to
adjourn.
MR. DEEB-So moved.
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF FEBRUARY
27, 2018, Introduced by David Deeb who moved for its adoption, seconded Brad Magowan:
Duly adopted this 27th day of February, 2018, by the following vote:
AYES: Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Valentine, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Shafer
MR. TRAVER-We stand adjourned. Thank you, everybody.
On motion meeting was adjourned.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Stephen Traver, Chairman
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