1997-02-12
SPECIAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 12, 1997
7:00 P.M.
MTG.#7
QUEENSBURY WATER TREATMENT PLANT
Corinth Road
Queensbury, NY 12804
QUEENSBURY TOWN BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT
Supervisor Fred Champagne
Councilman Betty Monahan
Councilman Theodore Turner
Councilman Connie Goedert
TOWN OFFICIALS PRESENT
Water Superintendent, Tom Flaherty
Deputy Water Superintendent, Ralph VanDusen
Town Counsel, Mark Schachner
O'BRIEN & GERE ENGINEERS, Tony Geiss
TOWN OF MOREAU OFFICIALS
Supervisor Harry Gutheil
Councilman Diane Knaust
Councilman Ann Kusnierz
Councilman Jack Rafferty
Harry
PRESS: G.F. Post Star
Q-Queensbury Representatives
M -Moreau Representatives
DISCUSSION FOR SALE OF WATER TO TOWN OF MOREAU
Q.- Introductions done.
First just let me say that certainly from our side I am just tickled pink is the only way I can express
it I guess and delighted that you folks were willing to take time from your busy schedules and kind of just
sit down together. I would like to hope that we could just keep this as informal as possible we are here to
field any questions that you may have. Certainly I do not have the answers but I think we have people here
that do. Needless to day we are proud as a dickens of our plant here and I think you are going to share that
with me once you have a quick tour. Unless I have left something out along the way lets kick it in and it is
back to you Thomas.
Q. Ok, thanks Fred, one excuse me, what I thought we would do it the way we set it up is, we will
take a tour of the plant, it will take about thirty minutes, we will give you some idea what we are talking
about and what is here and then we will come back and make our presentation and open it up for
discussions and go from there. Is that agreeable with everybody? You may want to take your coats, a
couple of the rooms out there are cold.
Q. - Let me just, on paper just so very quickly what we are going to be going through, this is the
footprint of the entire property, I know you cannot see it exactly from where you are, everything in green is
new, either under construction and some of it is under operation some of it is...(tape at end)...is in this area
right in here and it, we are located in this area, in the office area right in this section. The original plant
was rated for approximately three and a half million gallons a day and the green area added in added in
eleven and a half million gallon a day capacity bringing us up fifteen million gallons a day total capacity.
From a procedural standpoint during the construction the first step was to build the green, get that
operational and then go back into the white areas and retro-fit that to bring that up to current standards.
The Health Department has changed its standards in the last twenty five years as to what is required for
water treatment and we took advantage of this opportunity to bring that under compliance. I will try to
keep the tour to about thirty minutes but not more than that which means we are not going to get real
technical in water treatment I really don't I would love to talk to you know individually or as a group as
technical as you want to be, but I do not want to bore you with it either, so, we just kind of want to give you
an oversight, just a gut feeling about what is required, what is involved in water treatment. Whether you
buy it from Queensbury, build your own plant or buy it from the Saratoga Water Authority you are talking
a very similar process of what is going to be involved in operating it. Ok.
M. - Just a quick question, what is the total acreage of your current facility? How much land do you
have there?
Q.- Total including this parcel down in here in the range of thirty acres. The original parcel was seven
acres with this area in here and we have just purchased an additional from Niagara Mohawk.. . roughly
thirty acres, give or take an acre.
M.- Do you have room for future expansion?
Q.- We feel that we can expand up to thirty million gallons a day, without, using the exact same
technique. When you get into larger treatment units with these very large drying beds, sludge treatment, if
we had to go higher than thirty, we would have to go to a different type of sludge treatment, something that
is a little more expensive to operate and maintain. But it take up much less land.
M.- So, basically on the land you own now you would have room for that expansion?
Q.- Yes, that is correct. So, we can do the fifteen that we are doing now, and then an additional fifteen
to bring it up to thirty. If you wanted forty million we would find a way to do that too.
Q.- Now, when you say fifteen that doesn't, you really get more than the fifteen million correct,
because right now we are at three million but we pump eight million.
Q.- The numbers that I am going to talk as far as capacity are the New York State Health Dept. rated
capacity what we are approved to run for. Certainly with good operation you could tweak that a little and
push it but you are exceeding the guide lines and the standard of the State. So, it is fifteen million rated by
the Health Department.
Q.- I think one thing to, even pushing you, on the filters the plant is rated with one filter totally out of
service at fifteen million gallons. There are five filters so we are working four filters are running fifteen
million gallons and you have the fifth filter for rating the plant, that is how it is rated by the Health
Department. Actually with everything operating and with their operating experience that filter probably
will not be down except at very rare occasions. So, that is where you are looking at the different capacity.
Q.- Under the State Health Department guidelines they rate you with your largest filter out of use.
They want to keep one for a backup.
Q. - I very much don't want the tour to be a lecture, I'll be extremely disappointed if I'm the only one
talking. So, please feel free to ask questions and like Tom said, in a couple of areas we're going, the
temperature is probably in the forty degree range. I'm not wearing a coat, if you feel more comfortable
wearing a coat, please do.
(TOUR OF THE TREATMENT PLANT)
Q.- With that, we want to just kind of get an over view of our operation and how we do our thing and
then maybe that will raise some questions and some concerns and we'll try to answer whatever questions
you may have.
Q.- The Town Supervisor and the Town Board asked the Water Department to take a look at what the
options were or what we thought the options were to supply the Town of Moreau with the Town of
Queensbury water system and we did this with the assistance of O'Brien and Gere. We've come up with a
couple of options that we think are workable... Option number 1 and you can follow it in your folder,
Option number 1 would be for the bulk purchase of water from the Town of Queensbury ... You would
operate your own system, you would bulk purchase water from the town at the river or at a connection to be
determined along the river. It would include no maintenance service of your distribution system, the town
would receive one quarterly bill and you would in turn bill your customers as you saw fit and it would
require a buy in capacity for a million gallons at a dollar six a gallon or one point zero six million dollars
for the buy in capacity. That buy in capacity guarantees you a million gallons portion of this plant. That's
yours, nobody else can use it, nobody else gets it, that's the ... Option number 2 was, as we call a full
service purchase for two dollars and thirty cents a thousand gallons. Under that option, that full service,
Queensbury would provide all the maintenance services listed below, your customer would receive an
individual quarterly bill from the Queensbury system, you would not be involved in any billing. Again you
would have the buy in capacity as I explained before. The services would be all maintenance of your
distribution system, all maintenance of your hydrants and valves, the scheduled flushing of your
distribution system, the installation of new services and that would be in accordance of the fee schedule
which means that you would have a tapping fee, what we call a tapping fee, a connection fee if you will. If
you want to build a new house, you pay your connection fee, we install the service and what we do in
Queensbury, we install to the property line. So the property line into the house is the contractor or the
resident's responsibility. There's similar ways you can do it but that's the way we do it. Installation and
maintenance of meters, meter reading and preparation of water bills, marking and locating underground
facilities as required by law, that has becoming a bigger and bigger problem, there is new law that just got
transferred to the civil service, or the public service it used to be under the Department of Law. It requires
you to keep records of all your underground facilities and requires you to go out and if somebody is going
to dig, a gas company is going to dig they call the office called UFPO in Syracuse it is a one call system
with UFPO in turns calls all the operators of underground utilities and you are obligated to go out mark
your utilities and show the other companies or the other people digging where they are. It keeps you from
breaks and other things of that nature, but it is something you have to do it is becoming, we have got two
people here to do it almost full time now. Customer Services answering complaints, answering inquires on
the system. Another service that we have available it would be construction improvements to you
transmission and distribution system that would not be included in the two thirty but that be on a cost, a
cost basis. Foreinstance what we have done in Queensbury we, as Fred Champagne alluded to earlier we
have a maintenance and construction crew of five people next door with equipment we have found in a lot
of cases we could go out and we could put in our own water mains and create our own water districts and
we could do it on a cost savings as to what it would cost us to put it out to private contractor. Just a couple
of instances we did a Sherman Avenue Water District it was ninety eight hundred feet of ductile iron mains,
six and eight inch in size the engineers estimate was forty eight thousand dollars our actual cost was thirty
nine thousand or eighteen percent of the estimate. Western Avenue water extension was ...of eight inch
ductile main along W estern Avenue if you are familiar with Price Chopper and Curtis Lumber that is the
street dividing the Town and the City again that was a twenty six thousand dollar project our cost was
twenty one thousand again we were eighteen percent under. We did a Broadacres Water District which
was one of the larger water districts that we did with our own forces. Broadacres was in the paper several
years ago it was originally served from the City of Glens Falls there were a bunch of private what we called
private there were a bunch of extensions over there the City did not claim them and they were not in the
Water District in the Town of Queensbury therefore we could not provide any service on them we went in
created a water district and we installed fifteen thousand feet of main. Engineers estimate on the project
was four hundred and ninety six thousand dollars and the Town forces did it for four hundred and thirteen
thousand. I guess the point I am trying to make is that if you do it and you put your own forces together
and with a little bit of ingenuity and a little bit of yankee ability or wanting to do it you can save your
customers or your constituents a lot of money and you can do some things and get a lot more pipe in the
ground sometimes than some of the other ways of doing it. With that I think I will let Tony Geiss of
O'Brien and Gere take over and make a few comments. We looked at several ways of getting water to you
and I think, Tony would you go ahead and explain those?
Q. - One of the things I think that generated some of this was the
discussion that Tom and the others have had is how to get water to the Town and there was, I think
the proposal you received at us at five dollars and something per thousand gallons and it was off either
Richardson or right from the Plant. We started looking at that and said there are other ways to feed the
town of Moreau water from the Town of Queensbury. This map is the map of the whole or the major pipe
lines in the Town of Queensbury that basically the larger pipe lines not the individual distributions lines,
but as you could see there, we are at the treatment plant there is twenty four inch line that comes out and
really comes up Corinth Road and also there is a twelve inch line coming down Luzerne Road. Those
would be the primary lines feeding down into your that would be closest to your Town that are still in the
Town of Queensbury in otherwords they are north of the River. We looked at that and said how could we
achieve the feeding of those lines and I go to the USGS map here. Up here, this is Corinth Road we add in
Big Bay and Big Boom Road already existing some water lines, your pumping station is located across the
river right here where your water wells are, utilizing these two lines we could get water over to your system
and actually at your current usage which was a quarter of a million gallons a day I am not sure what the
exact rate quarter a half million gallons a day we could get water all the way up to your tank elevation in
fact, which is elevation four ninety five, through these line. If we got up into the approaching two million
gallons a day we would have to boost the water because the pressure here would not be maintained at the
tank elevation overflow, but for the original flow we looked at it and said you could get the quarter, two
hundred and eighty thousand, two hundred and eighty one thousand was the number I read or you could get
up to a half a million gallons a day, in otherwords the initial flow we get toward a million gallons per day I
would have to study it a little bit more. I did not run the fine numbers I did some back of the tablet type
numbers are we feasible. The answer is very feasible. Ok. As you get into the higher range we can get as
close to two million gallons per day across in this area. Instead of staying just here there might be a way
we can cross a little up stream or even further into your system that exists up here and here is where we, we
said it is possibilities we did not run any numbers and I think some of the numbers that we ran originally
were with this alternative right here.
M.- You mean down stream?
Q.- The one down toward your pumping station, we looked at that as more feasible as an initial cut
because you had facilities there your tank was there and we could get water to your tank and it is elevation.
From there your distribution could handle it, it is already handling it out of the tank so we did little
guestiment in saying if we could get it to your tank it would distribute into your system fairly good.
Without doing any detailed studying on which way water moves and what is best, some of that refinement
if that were the alternative you would need to look at that closer. The original, coming down Richardson
Road which was a much longer pipe line and larger pipe line was needed because it did not take advantage
of any of the existing lines. The other alternative came all the way over to the treatment plant over here
and came across the river over at this location and then the line had to be brought all the way to the east to
bring it back up. So, we look at this as being the more feasible one because it gets into your system as it
exists right now and then looking at your expansion would come off of that system into the other area that
you would be contemplating, I believe the contaminated area would I may be speaking, I am not one
hundred percent sure, but I believe the existing isn't contaminated it is over here more by the Moreau
School area or north of that. If I am not mistaken. But, expansion of the system would grow from the
existing tank and come over is just a first cut at what we were looking at and that we could be corrected on
that but we could make that tank elevation with that with the pressure off from this system. So the numbers
and they are trail numbers we did not put a lot of time into them we are looking at what is feasible. We
came up with the dollars, Tom came up with the eighty cents and the two thirty based on the plant
operation and the system operation and we put some construction costs into here. Construction cost
estimates would need to be refined a little more detail put into them, crossing the river is the most
expensive of what needs to be done there. Tom pointed out pipe line can be put in I guess economically,
and economics there depending on if the town put it in, we are talking twelve inch pipe line at the largest
and the crossing of the river we have got to look at does that need to be twelve or sixteen, you only want to
cross the river with one pipe you do not want to come back and keep you know, could we make it a little
bigger and then you have to put a whole second one in later on so, is that twelve or is that sixteen you have
got to make that decision and do the estimate. But, basically we looked at this primary area as the
alternatives to come up with how to feed your system from the existing Queensbury system with minimal
impact on the Queensbury system with minimal addition of facilities such that we could make the
connection into yours. That is how we came up with the alternative that we came up with. Like I said
some other things coming off from that crossing the Hudson are very viable too if some reason there is a
rack here that we cannot get through or something we have got something else that is feasible off from
those same lines to achieve the feeding of the water across the to the Town.
Q.- One of the things we had to do, we had to make some guestimates on where you wanted the water
or where you needed it and that is why we took at look at several different ..you will have to tell us where
you really, where it is advantageous for us to hook into you.
M. - Have you seen a picture of the map that shows the area of that particular area marked AB. C. and
D.
Q. - I saw a picture of the map that was in the hand out that ...
Q. - The detail that is in here is vague and I have got to be honest, there this is the handout that I
worked with and you know a couple of things on there that showed various pipe line links we ran some
numbers on pipe lines too, if we looked at the numbers that the town proposed added up to about with the
buy in one point seven million dollars if you looked at your tank at another four hundred thousand dollars
which was the estimated in one of these handouts that came up to two point one million dollars using the
five million dollars as a number just looking at the two point, looking at the two point, you would have two
point nine million dollars remaining out the five, Tom gave me the number of about forty dollars a foot
with the Town forces putting in what they experience with Town forces putting in pipe line twelve inch
pipe line you would have the ability to put in about seventy two thousand feet of pipe line at that size with
that amount of money using your own forces or a similar operation to the Town of Queensbury operation.
Q.- Do you know just exactly yet Harry, how much it is going to take to do that project..
M. - Are you talking about pipe line or you talking about hydrants, curb stops, gate values?
Q.- Miles of pipe I guess?
M.- No.
Q.- How many users do you have now? How many people?
M. - Six hundred
Q.- You have about six hundred now, and with expansion you are
talking about an additional?
M.- Nine hundred and fifty, the total nine hundred and fifty we have to provide water to those ...fifty
houses, that is a must. The infrastructure has to be placed to reach them.
Q. - Which nine hundred and fifty is that?
M. - Ok. In water district two there is roughly six hundred customers, in the impacted areas there are
rough ninety two and then the difference between that and nine hundred and fifty is this area between
Route 32 and Route 9 that has always been a questionable area they need water to.
Q. - What about the industrial park
M.- That is not in question that is something we will deal with ...
Q.- If we had a map
M.- This area of distribution is something that is proposed by Saratoga ...
Q.- If we had a bigger map showing something other than the streets we could come up with a rough
figure of what we figure
what it would cost you to put distribution lines in that area, but I cannot do it off from that, I have
to have something that I can look at.
Q.- Do we have the ability ...done by a
Q. - The river crossing would be a contract.
Q.- That is what I thought.
Q. - You have got to do the whole crossing at once and you have got to barge, work on water you
would not take that on yourself.
Q.- I did not think so but I just wanted to leave the impression of what we can do.
Q.- We had roughly a million or a million sixty thousand as the buy in cost of the plant because we
figured a million gallons a day just for estimating and there was about six hundred thousand in construction
costs which included the river crossing...that was included in that.
M.- In the buy in?
Q.- No it was separate from the buy in,
Q.- It does not show in here then does it?
Q. - It shows in the proposal.
M. - One million sixty thousand dollars to buy the capacity six hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
the interconnection. Then we have supposedly we should have five million dollars involved in distribution
storage and transmission on our side of the river, if we come up with the other one point seven million
dollars, that is your proposal as it stands, right?
Q.- Yes.
M. - I have a question this pipe line coming across the river you are talking about running the pipe off
from a twelve inch line.
Q.- Two eight inch lines and it will be twelve combined, it would combine to form a twelve inch line
and then go across the river.
M. - Is a twelve inch line coming across the river is that going to provide us with the potential for two
million gallons a day?
Q.- No.
M. - So, we need so twelve inch line is too small.
Q.- I would look at a larger, when I was looking at it I was looking at a million gallons a day as I
collected the ..I would look at a six, as you remember I said needs a little more thought then you know the
first cut, I used twelve here it would be sixteen or an eighteen inch.
M. - Certainly would be remiss of us to look at one million gallons a day when the bulk of our
community has yet to develop and need its water.
Q.- It would be foolish to put a small, you want to put a large enough pipe across the river to supply
your future needs.
M. - Especially when you have Wilton saying gee, someday they might want to, you want to be the
regional water supplier not just for Queensbury and lower Warren County I mean it is obvious you want to
be it. So, we would have to have a much bigger pipe across that river to open up to the other communities.
So, this twelve inch line we should not even be talking about.
Q.- If you are going to be looking at serving Monroe that is one thing if you are going to put a large
enough pipe across the river to serve Wilton then ..
M. - I am not the least bit interested in what Wilton needs are but I am saying we do not need to
undersize and cut our own throats.
Q.- No you don't but beyond that my comment was going to be if you did look at Wilton and Wilton
could bear the cost of the additional cosLtape turned..
Q.- So, if our costs go up theirs goes up if our costs go down their costs will go down and obviously it
is the function the more water we can produce it tends to bring the costs per thousand gallons down and
everyone benefits by that. We would suggest the same thing with Moreau, that if, you know if the price
went down then your price will go down.
Q.- You could do like Hudson Falls does too, if you are going if you are feeding the Town of Wilton
through your system you charge, you pass that five cents per thousand.. you add that on.
M.- Are you going to invite them in to be part of the ...
Q.- Absolutely, and pay their fair share.
M.- I have got some concerns about numbers, on September 24th I met up here and was quoted
seventy two cents per thousand gallons and we went to eighty cents per thousand gallons and I was told that
we were not going to pay transmission fees and somehow we got from seventy two to eighty which is a ten
percent increase since September 24th that still has not been explained to me.
Q.- I believe, correct me if! am wrong Harry, but I believe when I talked to you back there we were
talking about a crossing right here at the river, if that is the case there would be no transmission fees and it
was seventy three cents on our side of the river right here at the river. I believe that is what we talked
about. Now, probably, if that is incorrect you let me know. I think that is the difference in the ...
M. - Was that crossing at the...
Q.- It was to cross at the river right here at the plant I assume it was Potter Road or Reynolds Road or
whatever I am not familiar with your roads.
M. - Potter
Q.- Way back when all these conversations started that was the first, original connection ...and I
believe I feel comfortable with that seventy three cents was that price.
M.- Where would the meter be?
Q.- It depends on the criteria, if under option one the eighty cents per thousand typically the meter
would be on the Town side of the river, just before you cross the river, on the Town of Queensbury side. If
you select option two where Queensbury does it's thing you would have a meter in each persons home.
M. - I think that brings up a question if you have a meter at each persons home, and you have a leak in
the main pipe under the river who pays for that water?
Q.- Queensbury.
Q.- The one in the peoples home would only pay for the water that reaching their house.
M. - Going through the meter.
Q.- If you have a leak in the street in Moreau, under option two it is a Queensbury cost for that water.
M. - But, if you have the water metered here on this side of the river and we are paying option one and
there is a leak under the river we get it.
M.- We had the problem in one of our districts....
Q.- Are your districts metered now?
M. - Two is.
M.- Question what about if you had your meter on our side of the river and then? That would be to our
benefit.
Q.- That would be to your benefit.
M. - That is the place to put it.
Q.- I have a better idea lets have a meter on both sides of the river, then we can detect a leak that is
under the river.
M.- You cannot say that we all come from under rocks we are not dumb.
Q.- Born at night but not last night, right.
M. - I think we have had a very productive meeting I think we need to meet again as soon as possible
when you have your figures, you said within two weeks. We are very willing to come back.
Q.- We have no choice if we are going to have them come back we would not have them come back
with fictitious numbers.
M. - I think we should have something substantial to look at in writing before we spend another night.
M.- Well, they are going to present it in writing I would assume at that meeting.
M. - I would just as soon have it before so I would get a chance to analyses it. We do not have time to
put, we are having three or four meetings seven nights a week now I want to get right down to hard facts
and hard numbers and I want to know what the infrastructure cost...
M. - Our infrastructure cost we have to determine.
M. - I really at this point really want to know what Queensbury is willing to pay for on this, will you
come to your town line, county line at your expense or not? Those things are all, actually again I am right
back to where our original conservation when I first agreed to meet with you was I wanted a price of water
delivered to our side of the river.
M. - Basically I guess what Harry is saying and if I can reiterate it when we meet with you again we
want the bottom line. Now, we know that the bottom line on paper and the bottom line when it actually
gets started is probably going to be somewhat different, that those differences should be relatively minor.
And we are not going to negotiate.
M.- I want to know if! can buy in at ...gallons and have an
option that varies ..five hundred thousand gallons...I do not want to strap myself with the river
crossing and have the initial buy in with out an option for future buy ins I want to know what that is going
to cost me.
Q.- Just for information, Hudson Falls is given the option to buy in at a future date at any time they
wish if it is available, if it is not available...
M. - I want an option that I can exercise, I do not want if it is available. I want an option to buy in.
Q. - We cannot do that because we, how can you.
Q.- You have got to pay for that.
Q. - You have got to pay for that, I am going to hold out a million gallons of water that you might
never buy in?
M. - .. sell that option to somebody if they didn't if they wanted it but...
first refusal
M.- I don't want to pay for a river crossing and pay for pipes and then find out that we cannot ....
Q.- We will come back to you with our proposal.
M.- We are getting pressure now that we really have to have our act together, we will have to do it
soon.
Q.- But I think this meeting tonight was very productive, we got some issues out and some questions
out there now, now we can try to get answers to with out guessing what the questions were and we have an
idea what you wanted and now we can sit down and try to come up with to see if we can put something
together to meet those requests.
M. - And we got to put faces to names and we really are not enemies are we.
Q.- Not at all.
Q.- This is the first time ever met anybody in here why would be enemies?
M.- We are always in an adversarial...
M. - I appreciate the time that you had your engineers and water department staff spend with us.
Q.- To be very frank and honest with you where I am coming from is we have something here that it
exists it is ready to go we think that the pricing if you can do what we have tried to offer here this evening
and still there are some unknowns out there but if you really firmly believe that you can equal what we
have here for a less cost, then believe me we are friendly neighbors and hopefully we can do something
down the future as far as intermunicipal cooperation. That is my goal.
M.- ...help you with your power costs at some point
Q.- And we will do that we will work on power costs together we really will.
M.- talk about the energy.
Q.- I think the concept was in place back twenty some odd years ago it still is in place and I have a
goal for Fred Champagne to make it work and I think it has got to work. I know Harry and I have been
..thing around for months and it has been healthy, a good exchange because he has put my feet to the fire
and I have tried to come back with something that would work for him. I guess I could say that I apologize
that maybe we do not have everything worked up tonight, but the primary purpose of this meeting in my
opinion was to exchange these real honest to goodness senses that we all have here put my trust in you, put
your trust in us and say we can do it together. Keep the costs down, bigger is not always better but there is
some economy to size and I think that is what we are all about here, and I am going through the same
throws up in North Queensbury as we look at some other options up there for our sewer district. You have
to say to yourself and I try to put my feet in your sneakers as say to yourself what is this town going to do
to me in another five year, sock it to me, am I going to be paying for Queensbury's water, God I hope not,
anymore than I would want Lake George, or Queensbury folks to have pay for Lake George's sewer but
isn't it time that we all kind of put our heads together and say, yea, we do really need to even though we are
in a political setting we have to trust one another, we have to believe that we are going to be good
neighbors, is that wrong, is there something wrong with that?
M.- In Ithe 1990's come on trust anyone in politics?
Q.- With our last name as Packwood or what?
Q.- ..ifthey think that is the way to go, we still feel, if you really feel that way we still going to look at
you as good neighbors.
M.- Would you finance our buy in?
Q.- I do not know legally if we could do that.
Q.- We will have to check into the legality of that.
Q. - If we financed your buy in that would similar to the rate that Kingsbury is paying. You would be
back to the dollar sixty in lieu of eighty just a quick answer. That is what you are saying.
M. - That would make a four and a half percent rate and we had to bond to complete what we had to do
over there.
Q.- Are they eligible for the ..
M. - We have done that.
Q. - Nothing ventured nothing gained.
M. - But if you bonded the money and we were making your bond payment for a certain amount...
Q.- Why would you chose to do that?
M. - Because we are not going to have enough money ...
Q.- Are you saying that you are bonded right now at your limit?
M. - No, we would save bond fees, we would not have to bond we would be making your payments.
Q. - You know, going back to that lease to buy, lease to buy
M. - It is called creative financing.
Q.- You would almost use the same rate as we are in Hudson Falls, and that
Q.- Not Hudson, Kingsbury.
Q.- I am sorry Kingsbury.
Q.- We do it on a revenue anticipation
Q.- that is the same as Kingsbury.
Q.- We have gone out ...
Q. - The plant is paid for now, we have picked up the full.. so your million would just off set the
thirteen or twelve that we have got invested right now whether we do that as a one time shot or whether you
do that over long term.
Q.- What is the drop dead date, are you guys really right at the end...
Q.- What happens if you didn't are they going to decide for you?
M.- No
M. - That is something I cannot share with you people because of the litigation it is confidential.
M. - But, Harry can you get these people copies of ...
M. - I will run it buy the attorneys first.
some of this stuff is confidential because of our litigation
with General Electric.
Q.- At least you could show the distribution lines and stuff couldn't you, so we know that we are
comparing apples to apples.
M. - You get me a list of exactly what you want and I can find out and fax it to you or have...
M.- We currently have a distribution system in the impacted area, we currently have a distribution
system in water district two the only thing we need to do is provide a distribution system for those homes
within Route 32 and Route 9. We need a cost on what it is going to cost to put that in, I think they need to
know.
M.- No, there are some distribution lines on the west side of Route 9 also, Fernwood, Jacobie and parts
of Washington, there are distribution lines all the way over to ...
Q.- Are any of those that you have got in now have to be resized?
M.- We have been....except for the transmission...
M.- A lot of that will depend if Wilton comes in too?
Q. - The only thing we can worry about is getting the line under the river...
M.- If Wilton wants to come in later ...
Q. - We had a meeting today with the Big Box operation, God only knows if it comes to Queensbury it
is like one hundred and sixty three thousand square feet of retail but I am going to tell you if there was
water down there I would almost believe that it would locate down there.
M. - I cannot tell you how many major companies looked at Exit 17 and said where's the water, they
will not do pressurized reserve sprinklers systems it is too expensive it is too maintenance heavy where is
the water, where is the water, we have prime beautiful real estate and they are gone and several of them...
Q.- That is what people say to me why would you want to sell water to Moreau and Wilton it will take
all your business out of here, its good, it is sharing...
M. - I cannot tell you the number of companies told me that they would prefer to be in Moreau Number
one you can get to the Northway from anywhere in Moreau in six minutes within a maximum of three red
lights, try to do that in Queensbury.
Q. - You can't, try to get down Quaker Road.
M.- We are talking about we have some beautiful prime located real estate and we lack one thing,
municipal water.
Q. - You want to remember Diane, the minute that you put business there you will be putting up red
lights.
M. - You know that.
Q.- It goes with it.
Q.- We were Moreau twenty years ago.
M. - But it also reduces School taxes.
Q.- It also makes your roads wide enough so that you can change lanes without buying property?
M.- It does a lot of things we need the vitality. We need the income we need the jobs, as you well
know.
Q. - Buy our water we will make you a deal.
Q.- Do we all have our assignments here?
Q.- Tony it sounds to me like you have the lions share oLthe board has to meet tonight to get this guy
under contract he is liable to quit this job.
M.- Tony needs stuff from us but things like that lift station some of that stuff is important to me, it is
O&M that is going to over a long period of time is going to be more...if we got to lift water it is going to
cost us to run those pumps that make a difference in the long haul.
Q.- Is there reason that we should get Tony's information to your ...Wheeler who ever your..
M.- No. We are not getting ..Wheeler involved until we have something to talk about.
Q.- Ok.
Meeting Adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Miss Darleen Dougher
Town Clerk