2002-06-03
REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING
JUNE 3RD, 2002
MTG #28
Res. #244-2547: 04 P.M.
BOH #32-36
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT SUPERVISOR DENNIS BROWER COUNCILMAN ROGER BOOR
COUNCILMAN THEODORE TURNER COUNCILMAN TIM BREWER
BOARD MEMBER ABSENT COUNCILMAN DANIEL STEC
TOWN COUNSEL BOB HAFNER
TOWN OFFICIALS Harry Hansen, Director of Parks & Recreation Ralph VanDusen, Water & Wastewater
Superintendent Bruce Ostrander, Deputy Water Superintendent Henry Hess, Comptroller Chris Round,
Executive Director of Community Development Dave Hatin, Director of Building & Codes
PRESS: Glens Falls Post Star
Supervisor Brower called meeting to order. . . .
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY SUPERVISOR DENNIS BROWER
RESOLUTION CALLING FOR QUEENSBURY BOARD OF HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO.: 244, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner WHO MOVED FOR IT'S ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns from Regular
Session and enters as the Queensbury Board of Health.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES:
Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer
NOES:
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
BOARD OF HEALTH
PUBLIC HEARING - SEWER VARIANCE - ROBERT & SUSAN MORRIS NOTICE SHOWN 7:05
P.M.
MR. TOM JARRETT -Good evening, Tom Jarrett, representing Robert and Susan Morris. We are seeking
a variance, a septic variance, two variances actually to modify an existing wastewater disposal system for
their property on Cleverdale. What initiated this were some minor modifications to the structure and when
we investigated the wastewater system, we found three laterals that start approximately eighty-five feet
from Lake George and they're also, as I recall, approximately seventeen feet from the foundation. We are
proposing to upgrade as much as practical that existing system by moving the system at least five more
feet from the lake to ninety feet, expanding the size of it to meet current code and adding a distribution box
to get better distribution throughout the system. When we did the test pits, to investigate the system, we
found that there is adequate vertical separation to groundwater. So, it does meet the New York State
Department of Health Code. I guess I'll open it up for questions.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-When you say it meets the code, it read that there's actually five bedrooms, there's
four plus one and a cabin, is that correct?
MR. JARRETT-I understand it is three plus one.
MR. ROBERT MORRIS-Three plus one and an apartment over the garage.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-And the four hundred and forty, which is the, let's see, you've got four sixty-four.
What is it with the new five and the one that attaches ninety degrees to it, what is the total now that you're
looking at for leach fields?
MR. JARRETT-The existing, we're providing four hundred and sixty-five square feet of leaching area.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-And that is adequate for four bedrooms?
MR. JARRETT-Four bedrooms requires four hundred and sixty-four square feet and that's depended on
replacing the fixtures in the house to water savers.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Any other questions from board members? Do you have anything to add Tom?
MR. JARRETT-No, not at this time.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Just one question. Will the changing of the fixtures take place at the same
time or some time during, when this is being done?
MR. JARRETT-That is the proposal.
MR. MORRIS-Yes, correct.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-All fixtures?
MR. JARRETT -All the water use fixtures that are not water savers, yes.
MR. BOOR-Toilet and shower heads?
MR. MORRIS-Yea, I can say we've lived there twelve years and we've never had problems with the
existing. We are thirty-five feet above the lake which I know doesn't count for anything in the specs but
for whatever reason, we have had no problems with it. So, we expect none with the upgrade and
particularly with the water savers.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Yea, that should help a lot, I would think. Thank you. At this time then, I'll
ask you to have a seat and I'll ask the public if anyone is here to comment on the public hearing either for
or against the proposal that's before us for Mr. and Mrs. Morris? Hearing none, I'll ask the engineer and
applicant to come back, to come forward again. Tim, did you have any questions at all?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-No.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Okay. Any further questions from board members?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-No, I just agree with what Ted said, that I have no problem with the application, I
would just be happier if, at the time of the final inspection, they could also check to make sure that the
toilets and the shower heads have also been replaced and I'm fine with that.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Okay. Do we need to add a resolve to make these, Bob?
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-Would you do that normally, Dave?
MR. DAVE HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yea, that's part of the inspection.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-I think you would do that automatically.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yes, that's part of it.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Well, if it's part of it, I'm not concerned. I just think that because we're going by
the numbers with the low flow, we probably should make sure that that's what we've got. Although I
believe that you haven't had problems but the engineering is such that it requires that.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-So, would you like it in there Dennis?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Dave said it's a normal part of the this procedure, I don't know as we need it. I
think that will be fine.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-I don't think we need it, the applicant stated he was going to put them in.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Yes.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-It's a matter of record.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Okay, board members?
COUNCILMAN TURNER-No, I'm all set.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I'm fine.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-I'll move it.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Okay, moved for approval by Councilman Turner.
DEPUTY TOWN CLERK BARBER-Do you want to close the public hearing first?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Oh, thank you. I'll close the public hearing at this time, thank you.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED 7:10 P.M.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SEWAGE DISPOSAL VARIANCE APPLICATION OF ROBERT AND
SUSAN MORRIS
BOARD OF HEALTH RESOLUTION NO.: 32,2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, Robert and Susan Morris have filed an application for variances from provisions of
the Town of Queensbury On-Site Sewage Disposal Ordinance, such application requesting that the Local
Board of Health allow installation of a leach field ninety feet (90') from Lake George instead of the
required one-hundred feet (100') setback and seventeen feet (17') from the house foundation instead of the
required twenty feet (20') setback on property located at 371 Cleverdale Road, Queensbury, and
WHEREAS, the Town Clerk's Office published the Notice of Public Hearing in the Town's
official newspaper and the Local Board of Health conducted a public hearing concerning the variance
requests on June 3rd, 2002, and
WHEREAS, the Town Clerk advises that property owners within 500 feet of the subject property
have been duly notified,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that
a) due to the nature of the variances, it is felt that the variances would not be materially detrimental
to the purposes and objectives of this Ordinance or to other adjoining properties or otherwise conflict with
the purpose and objectives of any plan or policy of the Town of Queensbury; and
b) the Local Board of Health finds that the granting of the variances is necessary for the
reasonable use of the land and that the variances granted are the minimum variances which would alleviate
the specific unnecessary hardship found by the Local Board of Health to affect the applicants; and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town of Queensbury Local Board of Health hereby approves Robert and
Susan Morris' application for variances from the Sewage Disposal Ordinance to locate a leach field ninety
feet (90') from Lake George instead of the required one-hundred feet (100') setback and seventeen feet
(17') from the house foundation instead of the required twenty feet (20') setback on property located at 371
Cleverdale Road, Queensbury and bearing Tax Map No.: 14-1-4.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002 by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
DISCUSSION - UNDERWOOD PROPERTY
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Bill Underwood was supposed to be back to the board with a
report from his engineer tonight for Barton Place. For whatever reason, his engineer is unable to perform
the task he hired him for so he's hired Dennis MacElroy from Environmental Design Partnership, I think it
is. Dennis has asked for a little reprieve so he can get familiar with it. He just got hired today. So, he'll be
here July 1st to have a full report to the board.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-So, what do we do about the extension or whatever?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-We'll have to, we should extend it, I would believe.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Dennis has already looked at it, I know he met with Bill
today. I talked to him this afternoon, so he's very familiar with what's going on, it's just a matter of coming
up with all the requirements that you asked for.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-But wouldn't you think the guy, was here two weeks ago, would do something
before the day of our meeting to hire another engineer, in my mind, I think?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-My understanding from talking to Darleen is that his engineer is sick and that's
why
COUNCILMAN BREWER-But was he, sick two weeks ago? I guess, that's my point.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I think we made it very clear at the last meeting, didn't we? I mean, I don't have a
problem granting a little bit of an extension but at some point, we've got to crack the whip here. This was
like months and months ago.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I think Dennis will follow through July 1st, I don't see that
being an issue. I have confidence that Dennis will be here.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Why can't we do it the 17th?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I think there problem, the biggest problem I think is, it's a multiple unit. Have
you seen this place?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Yea, I can remember the application.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I fault Mr. Underwood for being tardy, for a lack of a better word, to get
somebody here but by the same token, I don't think an engineer can probably do a very good job on that
size property in a short amount of time. Now, I might be wrong but it is kind of a quagmire over there.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-I think I'd recommend an extension to July 1st unless
COUNCILMAN BREWER-And then July 1st when the engineer comes in and gives us plans, we're going
to extend it again until August?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-No, in talking to Dennis, his plan is to come in to you with a
proposal and if you feel comfortable with that, he will submit for a variance for the following board
meeting because there will be some variances involved most likely.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Can he have an idea by the 17th of what he's going to do?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Well, can he, yea, I guess,
SUPERVISOR BROWER-What are you saying, Dave?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Is he going to, will he typically talk to you prior to meeting with us?
MR. HA TIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yea, and I didn't feel two weeks is going to be enough time.
I've going to be out of the office five days out of the next two weeks for school so I didn't feel it was
giving him enough time to really, and me to coordinate things before hand. So, that's why I said July 1st
was probably a better date.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-But that's still not enough time for him, really, is it?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-He feels that he'll have a proposal to you by July 1st and he
can either have it in a form of a variance to set a public hearing or you can talk about it that night and then
he'll submit it for the next board meeting to set a hearing.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-And then we're going to be into September already.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-No, you'll be August, the first week, the first meeting in
August you'll have a hearing.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-If he comes to us July 1st, we set a public hearing, it's going to be ten days
after that, it's going to be
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-The middle of July.
DEPUTY TOWN CLERK BARBER-Your second board meeting in July, it should be.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-To have the public hearing?
DEPUTY TOWN CLERK BARBER-Yes.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Maybe the end of August before it's done.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I mean, if you'd like, I can have him have everything ready to
go forward with it.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-He's got five systems up there, doesn't he?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Well, he's, it's unknown. I think that was the problem, he doesn't know what he
has.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yea, he needs to survey, do a little further investigation to
find out exactly what's there.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-He's got, holding, whatever.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-And this guy first originally came to us, when?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Way long time ago.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I think it was back in March.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-December?
COUNCILMAN TURNER-February or March.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-So, we're talking about something that should have been done in, maybe a
month or two. Now, we're talking nine or ten months.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-It's up to you, I just felt to give him, to be fair with him
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I'm only one vote but I don't have a lot of sympathy for a guy that takes nine
months to do something that should have taken him a month. That's my own personal opinion, I'm sorry.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I can't speak for Mr. Underwood. I can only speak from what,
my conversation was with Dennis.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-The last time he came to us and said that he couldn't get a hold of his engineer
because he was sick, I understand that, okay. Then we give him another extension for two weeks and the
day of our meeting, he calls and says, woops, I can't get an engineer, I hired one today. I don't think it's, I
think he gets in here the 17th, if he has to pay MacElroy double time or whatever he's got to do and get it
done.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-We gave him until the 17th, right?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-No, you said July 1st.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, the last time. Didn't we extend to the
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-You gave him until tonight.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Tonight.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-We gave him to tonight, yea.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-And we made it quite, at least I remember being quite firm about it but it's neither
here nor there now.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-And he's not even here to represent himself.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-No he's not.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-So, I have no sympathy for him.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Well, sympathy or not, he's got to have it done so let's get it done, get it in
here, get a look at it.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-He doesn't do himself any favors by wasting our time but
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Do you want Dennis here then on the 17th? I can call him
this week and tell him.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I don't have a problem with July 1st but you know, he's not helping himself out
doing this.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-See if Dennis can
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Speed it up.
COUCILMAN TURNER-Speed it up a little bit and maybe get here by the 17th.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Okay. I will relay your concerns to him.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Okay.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-So, officially, what do we want to do here?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, if we want to do it the 17th, we can do it the 17th but I think the
application, it's going to be July 1st before he has an application before us.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Okay so we're shooting for?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-To set a public hearing.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Okay.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-So I think we should, my recommendation would be to give them to July 1st so
that we can set the public hearing.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-And that means that the second meeting in July would be
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Second meeting in July would be
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-The 15th.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Would be as early as we could get them, right?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Yea.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-The 15th and then he does the work, it's going to be, I'll bet you a dollar right
now it's September.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-It's possible. I mean, we don't have a failing system right
now, we have a system that's non-conforming, that's really the issue.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, do I have consensus to give him to July 1st, to have the application in
front of us?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I would begrudgingly do that.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Yea, I'll do that.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-To set a public hearing?
COUNCILMAN TURNER-What are you going to do?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, we can deny it and then he starts allover again but
COUNCILMAN TURNER-No, but I mean, it doesn't serve any purpose.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-No, it doesn't.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-It's got to be done so let's do it.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I'll call him when I get back from school on Friday and tell
him that if he wants to make a proposal June 17th, to set a hearing with a variance for the first of July.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Yea, because they should have an application in front of us to set a public
hearing on the I st at the latest.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-But you want an application for the first regardless, okay. I
can relay that message.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Okay. We don't need a motion for that, an official motion, do we?
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-I think you do, you did a resolution in the first place so I think you just need
to
SUPERVISOR BROWER-So, you'll write something up then for us?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-You've got to do it now Dennis.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Yea, we have to.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Because it expires today.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Then we'll make a resolution to extend the application or the time for setting a
public hearing until July 1st for Mr. Underwood in light of the fact that his engineer is ill and he had to
switch engineers and Mr. MacElroy is his new engineer, is that correct?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Correct.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Okay. In that case, let's vote:
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXTENSION
BOARD OF HEALTH RESOLUTION NO.: 33,2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Dennis Brower WHO MOVED FOR IT'S ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby extends the application or
the time for setting a public hearing until July 1st, 2002 for Mr. Underwood in light of the fact that his
engineer is ill and he had to switch engineers and Mr. MacElroy is his new engineer.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES:
Mr. Turner, Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor
NOES:
Mr. Brewer
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
HEARING CONCERNING PROPERTY OWNED BY THOMAS ST. JOHN LOCATED AT 10
DIVISION ROAD - TAX MAP NO.: 308.15-1-53.2
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-After the last board meeting, Chuck Rice and his crew did go
over and clean the property up. I have pictures of what appears to be now. I was able to get pictures
through the windows of what the inside of the rooms were, I could get through the windows and take
pictures of, look like. Do you want to see the pictures prior to the cleanup?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Yea.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-(Distributed pictures to the Board Members) If you like,
while you're looking at those, I'll also pass out the pictures of what it looks like right now, as we sit here
today.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Is this in foreclosure, Dave?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yes, the bank does have, I have talked to the bank since our
last meeting. I've talked to a Tina Erikson who referred me to another girl who called me back and asked
me to fax the board resolution to her from the last board meeting which I did. Pliney informs that the saw
somebody there over the weekend, I'm assuming that they're aware of the boards actions and will probably
take care of it. What I'd like to do is follow through with the board action tonight so I can fax that to her
agaIn.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Somebody there, meaning from the bank?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-The bank, I'm assuming. So, that way we can make sure that
it brings it to a resolution so they know we're serious about getting it cleaned up.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-So, is it, is somebody there actually cleaning or just looking at the property?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I wasn't there today. Pliney, were they just looking at the
property?
MR. PLINEY TUCKER-They were in the building.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-They were inside?
MR. TUCKER-One of them was a building contractor and I don't know what was going on but they got
into the building. I guess they didn't find any bodies or anything.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Typically, would you call them and ask if they've cleaned it out.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-What I'll do is I will fax, if you pass the resolution for tonight,
I will fax that to the same person I faxed the last resolution to. If I hear that nothings happened by the end
of the week, then we will force the issue and we will actually hire a contractor and bill it to the taxes and
then they'll pay for it.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Of this week?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Right.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-So, then we change this three days to?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-You can still leave the three days and I'll call on Friday. If
nothings happened by Friday, then I'll
COUNCILMAN BREWER-So, leave the three days?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yea, I would leave it three days.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I have no problem with that.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-No.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Do I have a motion?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Well, just a legal question for our attorney. We've got Thomas St. John's
name in here, should we put the banks name or?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Do you want to?
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-I think that would be a good idea.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-It's Principal Residential Mortgage, and I don't have an
address, I just have a telephone number right now.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-So, we'll change that, insert the banks name everywhere his name is or?
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-No, the second resolve.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Just in the second resolved? No, in the last one too.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-Have they foreclosed on the property?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-No, they haven't foreclosed, I think it's going through the
process. To my knowledge, they have not foreclosed.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-Yea, I only found signs that they have begun the process. They don't own
it, they're not legally responsible, it's the owner.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-It was in their claims department for non payment, that's all
she was able to tell me.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-So, it hasn't transferred yet.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I don't believe so, no.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-Until it transfers, I don't think that they would
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I just want to protect us to get our money, that's all.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-I think you can only go against St. John and he's going to be hard to collect
against, I would think.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-And that's what I mean, is it a lien then on the property?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Yes.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-It would come after
COUNCILMAN BREWER-It is for taxes, right?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Yes, isn't it?
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-We have it set up to be a lien against the property but I think it would be
after the mortgage that's already existing. I don't think this is
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Well, you're not going to be ahead of it, is what you're saying.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-Yea, so I think that if they go through their foreclosure, that, it may be no
value left.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-No, there won't.
TOWN COUSNEL HAFNER-Because foreclosure gets rid of all later liens and this is
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Right now, we've incurred no expense. The grounds crew
took care of it so there's no expense right now.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-And our advice at the last meeting and I've talked with Mark and he agrees
with the advice, is that, you see a provision in here that authorizes the town to proceed with a court action
getting court approval before you take the somewhat extreme step of going into someone's property
without their permission. That is something that from a, protecting the town point of view, you would
want a court order directing you to and we put that language in there like we always do for Dave.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Right.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-And we would think that Dave would want that. So, it sounds like having
the bank, they have the right to go in, they have the mortgage.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I think this is going to be taken care of by the bank, this just
kind of pushes them a little quicker.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Well, I think if they see their name in there too, it might.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Are you making a motion?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Yes, I am.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Okay, motion made by Councilman Brewer.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I'll second it.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Seconded by Councilman Brewer. Further discussion? Hearing none, let's
vote.
RESOLUTION ORDERING THE CLEAN-UP AND SECURING OF THE HOME LOCATED ON
PROPERTY OWNED BY THOMAS ST. JOHN AND LOCATED AT 10 DIVISION ROAD,
QUEENSBURY (TAX MAP NO.: 308.15-1-53.2)
BOARD OF HEALTH RESOLUTION NO. 34,2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury's Director of Building and Codes (Director) and Local
Health Officer previously advised the Town's Local Board of Health that there was a large amount of junk
and debris inside the home and around the property owned by Thomas St. John located at 10 Division
Road in the Town of Queensbury (Tax Map No.: 308.15-1-53.2) and therefore, in the Director's opinion,
the property and home constitute a public health hazard and nuisance to the neighborhood and are unsafe
to the general public and therefore recommended that the Board of Health take action if the property owner
failed to clean-up the home and property, and
WHEREAS, on May 20th, 2002, the Local Board of Health declared the home and property to be
a potential object of attraction to rodents and animals, a nuisance, health hazard, unsafe and dangerous, and
ordered Mr. St. John to commence cleaning-up the home and property, and
WHEREAS, the Local Board of Health held a hearing concerning the home and property on June
3rd, 2002 and notice of this hearing was served in accordance with the provisions of the New York Public
Health Law, and
WHEREAS, the Director has advised the Local Board of Health that he has again inspected the
home and property and Town Building and Grounds personnel have cleaned-up the property but Mr. St.
John has not yet cleaned-up the interior of the home,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town of Queensbury Local Board of Health hereby determines that
Thomas St. John has not commenced cleaning-up the interior of the home located at 10 Division Road,
Queensbury, such home being a potential object of attraction to rodents and animals, a nuisance, health
hazard, unsafe and dangerous, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that Town of Queensbury Local Board of Health, in accordance with the New York
Public Health Law, hereby orders Thomas St. John to abate the nuisance and health hazard by cleaning up
the garbage and debris in the home within three (3) days of the date of service of this Resolution and Order
upon Mr. St. John and Principal Residential Mortgage and posting on the home, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that if the nuisance is not abated within such time, then the Local Board of Health
hereby authorizes and directs the Director of Building and Codes Enforcement to make the necessary
arrangements to clean-up the home immediately in accordance with the emergency provisions of the New
York Public Health Law, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that in accordance with the New York Public Health Law, Thomas St. John is
responsible for the clean-up expenses and the Local Board of Health may authorize and direct Town
Counsel to commence an action seeking a Court Order authorizing the clean-up and/or collection of the
cost of the clean-up, including legal expenses, if necessary.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
DISCUSSION - HEALTH HAZARD - PROPERTY OWNED BY BURT QUACKENBUSH LOCATED
AT 9 OHIO AVENUE - TAX MAP NO.: 309.13-1-64
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Again, this is extremely similar to 10 Division Road.
Basically, the house has been abandoned by the owner last fall from what I understand from Joe Lombardi
who seized the animals out of the house, out of the mobile home. The inside doesn't appear to be a
problem from what I can see from the outside but the outside of the property, there's garbage, rubbish, and
some other things. I did talk to Chuck before I left today, he's willing to send his crew over there
tomorrow or Wednesday to, if you want to do the same thing as we did with Division Road, order the
outside to be cleaned up by our grounds crew and I think this one, we'll just let the bank take care of the
rest because I don't see any issues with the inside of the home, right now, anyway.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Do you have pictures that?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yes, I do. (distributed pictures to the board members)
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Any questions for Dave at this time, Board Members? Do I have a motion?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I'll make a motion.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Moved by Councilman Boor.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Second.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Seconded by Councilman Turner. Further discussion?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-To clean up tomorrow, you mean, or Wednesday, is that what we're going to
do?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Clean up the outside, the garbage, yea.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-The outside.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-As soon as possible. Hearing no further discussion, let's vote.
RESOLUTION DECLARING A HEALTH HAZARD AND SETTING HEARING CONCERNING
PROPERTY OWNED BY BURT QUACKENBUSH LOCATED AT 9 OHIO AVENUE (TAX MAP
NO.: 309.13-1-64)
BOARD OF HEALTH RESOLUTION NO. : 35,2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Roger Boor WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury's Director of Building and Codes Enforcement (Director)
has advised the Town's Local Board of Health that he has received a complaint about a large amount of
garbage and rubbish about the property owned by Burt Quackenbush located at 9 Ohio Avenue in the
Town of Queensbury (Tax Map No.: 309.13-1-64), and
WHEREAS, the Director has investigated and inspected the property and has advised that there is
a large amount of garbage, junk and debris around the property and therefore, in his opinion, the property
and mobile home constitute a health hazard and nuisance to the neighborhood and are unsafe to the general
public and therefore the Director strongly recommends that the Board of Health take action if the property
owner fails to clean-up the property and mobile home as more specifically set forth in the Director's letter
dated May 23rd, 2002, and
WHEREAS, Robert L. Evans, D.O., the Town's Public Health Officer, has advised the Town by
letter dated May 29th, 2002 that in his opinion the property and mobile home constitute a public health
nuisance and therefore has recommended that the property be cleaned up and the garbage and debris
removed immediately,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that after reviewing all of the evidence presented at this time, the Town of
Queensbury Local Board of Health is of the opinion that the property owned by Burt Quackenbush bearing
Tax Map No.: 309.13-1-64 and located at 9 Ohio Avenue, Queensbury appears to be a potential object of
attraction to rodents and animals, a nuisance, health hazard, unsafe and dangerous and therefore the
garbage, junk and debris should be removed from the property, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the property owner shall immediately commence cleaning-up the property
unless good cause is shown by Mr. Quackenbush or other interested persons whereupon the Town Board
shall consider a time extension, and
BE IT FURTHER
RESOLVED, that the Town of Queensbury Local Board of Health shall conduct a hearing
concerning the property on June 17th, 2002 at 7 :00 p.m. in the Queensbury Activities Center, 742 Bay
Road, Queensbury, and
BE IT FURTHER
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Director of Building and
Codes Enforcement to serve a notice setting forth its determinations upon the property owner or his
executors, legal representatives, agents, lessees, or any person having a vested or contingent interest in the
property, the contents, service and filing of the notice to be in accordance with the New York Public
Health Law.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002 by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer
NOES
None
ABSENT
Mr. Stec
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING BOARD OF HEALTH
BOARD OF HEALTH RESOLUTION NO.: 36,2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner WHO MOVED IT'S ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Board of Health hereby adjourns from session and enters
Regular Session of the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES:
Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer
NOES:
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
TOWN BOARD REGULAR SESSION
PUBLIC HEARING - CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN NOTICE SHOWN 7:30 P.M.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-This is a resolution authorizing the adoption of the Town of Queensbury's 2002
Capital Improvement Plan. We set the public hearing at our last Regular Town Board Meeting and this is
an opportunity for members of the public to come forward and comment on the proposal. Would anyone
care to address the board regarding the Capital Improvement Plan?
MR. JOHN STROUGH-John Strough, Queensbury. The Capital Improvement Plan. The concern that I
have is that we've placed the Main Street and all the improvements for Main Street right at the top of the
list. It's a project that I think is a wonderful project and I think the Town Board agrees and have been very
supportive of the Main Street project. But with the landscaping and architectural design standards that are
going to be along there and sewer and new water line and a widened road and sidewalks, limited curb
access, tying in the parking in the rear, are all great, great elements of what I consider to be excellent
community planning and I think Chris Round deserves credit for providing the direction there. But I'd like
to see that project put right at top of the Capital Improvement list. The one thing that concerns me is the
bearing of utilities and how we're going to fund that. I think that, you know, you can't go halfway with
this project, I think you've got to go all the way. You've got to make it a gem, a feather in your cap and I
think it will be. But I don't want to get there and I mean there, I mean I think it's about a year from now
that they're planning on doing a go with this Main Street widening. So, a year goes by pretty fast and if
we've got to set up some kind of a district to finance the bearing of the utilities then we probably ought to
get under way real quick. If we're going to get some kind of outside funding for that, I definitely would
like to see that happen so that's why I'm saying, I'd like to see that put at the top of the Capital
Improvement project list. I just finished reading the report by Glens Falls Queensbury Smart Growth
Committee last night and they also are backing, you know, the whole plan and they mention specifically
bearing the utilities, is the thing that they felt was very important, not for aesthetic reasons but for safety
reasons. Now, I mention the Glens Falls Queensbury Smart Growth Committee, they also mentioned that
they'd like to see this Main Street project continue right into the City and I didn't know, I thought I might
ask tonight, has Glens Falls shown any concern inO continuing this plan into their city that you know of?
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Well, when they first talked about it, you know, they talked about going as far
as Stewarts, right at that y. So, that would take it from Thomas Avenue to Stewarts but they've never gone
any farther then that. They haven't even addressed it.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-To like One Broad Street, you're talking about?
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Yea.
MR. STROUGH-Chris, have we communicated with them on this?
MR. CHRIS ROUND, Executive Director-Yes, I can answer the question. Yes we have. The city's
fortunate now, they've got some additional staffing, they've got Jim Martin as their Economic
Development Director and they have Ed Hernandez in their Engineering Department. I've met with them
several times and their advocates that the city ask for similar treatments as to what Queensbury's asking for
and I don't know whether they're going to hire a design firm to do that or whether they're going to wait. I
think they'll probably wait until a preliminary design for the highway comes out and that's when there's an
opportunity for public comment on what the highway looks like, to ask for many of the same things that
we've been asking for. But they are, it is on their list.
MR. STROUGH-Well, that's good news. They may continue it after we get a good start on it, you mean?
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-Yea.
MR. STROUGH-Yea, that's good. Yea, because not only is it a gateway to Queensbury, Exit 18 but you
know, it's the main gateway from at least the Northway into the city and I'd like to see that look good all
the way down. But I think it's a great project and I just want to see the importance, the proper importance
given to it by asking you if you'd set it very high on that Capital Improvement list, okay.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, it is John and part of that reason obviously is because of the construction
has been delayed a little bit to the fall 2003, the start of the construction but by the same token, a lot of
these things have to be coordinated with the highway project, the water, the sewer, infrastructure, the
underground power and of course, the underground power is the link we're still looking to connect. We're
going to try to lobby our legislatures and certainly our senator and assemblyman and congressman and see
if we can indeed come up with funding for that.
MR. STROUGH-Well, and that's great but you know how one month rolls into the next month and then all
of a sudden, you know, we should have started on this sooner. So, that's why I thought I mention it.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, unfortunately, the town is not able to pay for underground improvement
ourselves.
MR. STROUGH-I know but the other methods of getting it done, I wouldn't want to see us
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Right, certainly we'd like to see a grant or some type of funding established for
that. Chris, I don't know if you have anything further to add on that underground utility but.
MR. ROUND, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR-No, I think, it's something, I think John attended, our workshop
last Wednesday on the Main Street plan and it's going to take some creative problem solving to get, to fund
those utilities and one of them, you mentioned it, the support of the State and Federal Government for
funding. But Bob and I met, as a follow up to Wednesday nights meeting and we put our head together
and we've got a couple ideas about how to do that and we'll be back to you with some creative solutions, I
think.
MR. STROUGH-But I thought that was an excellent presentation last Wednesday. I wish there was more
of the public here especially to see the arguments for burying the utilities and showing the computer
picture renditions of what the street looks like without the utilities, what the street looks like with utilities
and the other amenities that comes with, I think it's an excellent plan. So, anyhow, I'd just like to see it a
go and thank you for listening.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Thank you, John. Would anyone else care to address the board at this time on
the Capital Improvement Plan during our public hearing? Mr. Tucker, good evening.
MR. PLINEY TUCKER-Pliney Tucker, Division Road. My first question, how much money have we got,
Henry?
MR. HENRY HESS, Comptroller-The money in the bank, I think it was, the plan was funded with three
point five million dollars but that's not necessarily cash to be spent on these projects. It's leverage money
to seed the projects that rise to the top.
MR. TUCKER-I see several projects on here, water and wastewater, which are special districts, how are
these projects going to be handled as far as the special districts are concerned, the financing?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, we have Mr. VanDusen here. Typically, we would, in some cases the up
front funding has to be done by the town and then of course it becomes a district charge for water or sewer.
Ralph, I don't know if you have any further input that you would like to add?
MR. RALPH VANDUSEN, Water/Wastewater Superintendent-I guess some of the projects are within the
boundaries of current districts and that could be done via the annual operating budget, fund balance,
borrowing, it's a case by case basis...
MR. TUCKER-So even though we have this Capital Improvement Program, anything pertaining to your
districts will be done in the normal procedures.
MR. VANDUSEN, Water/Wastewater Superintendent-Certainly the ranking within this would help assist
the priority of them, it's the financing would have to be independent.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-And another thing, we try to coordinate water line replacement and sewer line
replacement with road reconstruction so that we're not putting the water and sewer in first and then tearing
the road up later.
MR. TUCKER-Yea. Along John's lines with the Main Street Extension, does Niagara Mohawk have an
easement to put power poles in public right-of-way along the Corinth Road? I understand that they don't
have an easement there and I was told one time that if the town and county requested that they remove
them, they'd have to remove them and it would be their problem to service the people along it.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, one of the possible suggestions is to have a local law that requires
underground power along the corridor. That was one of the suggestions that had been developed in the
Main Street study. Certainly, NIMO or the predecessor has a responsibility to pay for whatever costs they
would incur in having to move their utility poles on the corridor and what that exact cost is, I don't know.
We had an estimate certainly, in last weeks plan, as you saw.
MR. TUCKER-I remember that but it just bothers me a little bit that the power company, whoever it may
be, is a public corporation, and the taxpayers have got to foot the bill because we need to expand a road
that belongs to the taxpayers and their poles and lines are on property that belong to the taxpayers and it
just bothers the hell out of me that we've got to subsidize that. And I was told by the chairman, the
previous Chairman of the Warren County Board of Supervisors, a year and a half or two years ago, that if
they didn't have an easement to put their lines along that road, that we could require, the public could
require that they remove them and whatever expense it would cost for them to service would be their
expense.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-But then wouldn't we have to give them an easement to put them
underground?
MR. TUCKER-No, it would be their expense to put them underground.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-They'd have to put them in an easement.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Yea but how would they get that easement to put them underground?
MR. TUCKER-Well, we can give them an easement then, couldn't we?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Yea, I guess.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-We'd have to and we will have to.
MR. TUCKER-Yea, well, you could give them an easement but we haven't got to give them tax money,
taxpayers money to get it done, I don't believe. Of course, they may raise your light bill if you make them
pay for it but they'll raise mine too.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Yea, bottom line is, they're not going to pay for it.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-That's a given.
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-My comment is, it's not as simple as an issue as we'd like it to be and
it's, I understand it's not an easement. The county, it's a county road so it's a county issue, number one, but
the county has looked into what exactly is the right of the utility company to be in the right-of-way. And I
don't know if the attorney will comment but it's a franchise agreement, it's a contractual relationship
between the utility company and the county and there are terms, it's not an easement or a right-of-way like
you see transmission lines that cross private property, it's a special relationship between utility companies
and municipalities and how, what rights that they have to do to occupy the road. And that's something we
looked at early on or asked the county to look in on early on and it's not something that we can, we don't
have a strong leveraging position as you or I would like to have with utility companies and we share the
same frustration.
MR. TUCKER-So, they've got their foot in the door and we can't get it out, right?
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-They have certain rights to maintain their utilities within that right-of-
way.
MR. TUCKER-Thank you.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Thank you, Mr. Tucker. Would anyone else care to comment during the public
hearing?
MR. HESS, Comptroller-I'd like to make a comment to a question Mr. Tucker raised about the plan and
about the money that is put aside for the plan and I think it's important for everybody to realize, although
we said it before when we were introducing this, we've had several meetings on it. But the fact that the
plan is being adopted doesn't approve any of the individual projects that are on the plan. They still have to
go through, all of them have to go through the normal process whether it's a special district or from the
general fund or for the Highway, they still have to be, they still have to emerge from the department, be
recommended, come up with a budget and a funding plan, it has to be approved by the Town Board,
subject to a public hearing before anything takes place. So, the plan, really the intent of this is to highlight
the needs of the, the capital needs of the town for the next five or seven years so that we're in advance,
planning in advance of them rather then behind the eight ball. You know, we're looking ahead. So, the
money doesn't equate to the projects necessarily and the projects don't necessarily, won't necessarily be
done in the time frame in which they're earmarked on the plan. It's a planning tool and how much cash is
in the bank really won't, won't influence when these things are done. They'll be, the budget will be
dependent upon other financing sources such as debt, annual appropriations, revenue generated by the
project, grants or other sources.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Thank you, Henry. Okay, any further comment from the public? Mr. Sipp?
MR. DON SIPP-Don Sipp, Courthouse Drive. Project number 8, it says, bike facilities, town wide with a
price tag offorty-five thousand eight hundred, is there, are there definite plans or is this just a fund that
would be used, is there a plan for definite bikeways?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, there have been discussions right along about extending the bikeways
within the town and the town had a plan of considering Sherman Avenue initially and yet the utility poles
were pretty close to the road along Sherman. So, the revised plan is to consider Luzerne Road for
additional bike access on the west side of the town. But we're looking at town wide, trying to improve the
ability for people to get around on bikes or walking or however. You'll notice Quaker Road when it was
repaved, is paved a much wider limit so that it enables greater bike access down the main artery on the side
of the road. Along with, of course, the Warren County bike trail, we feel it's important to try to
interconnect bike routes wherever possible within the town and it is a goal to achieve a better level of
service for pedestrians and bicyclers in the future. But it may take a period of years to, you know, it won't
happen all at one fell swoop but it will happen over time, we hope.
MR. HESS, Comptroller-I'd just like to repeat again that that's a project on this list, that project is not
being adopted, it's not being funded, it's not being executed. Before anything is done on it, before any
money is spent, it will be a project that comes from somebody with a budget and with a plan and it will be
adopted by the Town Board subject to a public hearing. So, the fact that we're adopting this, this plan
doesn't necessarily adopt or specifically does not adopt any project including the bike trail project.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-I think the beauty of that too Mr. Sipp is that enables the public whenever a
department manager comes forward with aspects of this Capital Improvement Plan they'd like to
implement, we'll have public hearings so we'll give people the opportunity to comment on each project as
it's coming forward. So, it's not like you're approving the spending of whatever the total investment here
is, millions of dollars all at one time. It's just that, you approve the concept of planning in advance, you
understand that there was a process, there was weighted objectives that the committee members weighed,
that town managers weighed in coming up with this plan and that Town Board members were comfortable
with it and we want to make sure the public is comfortable with it.
MR. SIPP-I assume the same thing applies to number 58, the Meadowbrook which the Michael's Group
property donation and then extend it out as a possible swimming pool, is this in conjunction with ACC?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-It could.
MR. SIPP-Could be?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-It could be but there is no specific plan at this point.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Yea, we don't have an actual plan in place.
MR. SIPP-Indoor pool obviously.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-But there's a concept out there that the Recreation Commission has and of
course they would have to move that forward when they're prepared and we'll obviously have workshops.
MR. SIPP-Alright, thank you.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Thank you very much. Anyone else care to comment on the Capital
Improvement Plan at this time? Hearing none, I want to thank you for your input and I'll close the public
hearing at this time and ask board members if they have further comment?
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED 7:50 P.M.
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ADOPTION OF TOWN OF QUEENSBURY 2002 CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PLAN
RESOLUTION NO.: 245, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
WHEREAS, in accordance with the Town of Queensbury's Capital Improvement Plan Policy, the
Queensbury Town Board wishes to a adopt a Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) for the Town of Queensbury
for the year 2002, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board duly conducted a public hearing and heard all interested persons
concerning the proposed CIP, and
WHEREAS, the proposed CIP has been presented at this meeting,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs adoption of the
Year 2002 Capital Improvement Plan for the Town of Queensbury as presented at this meeting, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor and/or
Town Comptroller to distribute copies of the CIP to all Departments and take such other and further action
as may be necessary to implement the CIP and effectuate the terms of this Resolution in the manner
provided by law.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
BEFORE VOTE:
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, I just want to thank everyone involved in this process. I think this is
probably one of the more important pieces of work our Town Board has achieved over the last couple of
years. Certainly it sets frame work and guide lines for capital investment in the town in the future and I
think it's going to help us move along that path. Certainly it involved a planning process by each town
manager. They had to indicate when the project, they felt the project would occur, what the benefit was,
potential funding sources. So, I'm very pleased with this program and I want to thank everyone involved.
With that, let's vote (vote taken)
OPEN FORUM 7:50 P.M.
MR. TUCKER, Division Road-Questioned Resolution 6.8, 'Resolution Authorizing Agreement Between
the Town of Queensbury and Warren County for Maintenance and Construction of County Roads'?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Noted that he's proposing to pull that resolution until discussing this resolution
with Highway Superintendent Rick Missita.
MR. JOHN SALVADOR-Noted that his wife had previously requested information regarding Crandall
Library in preparation of their upcoming budget and questioned whether Mr. Hess had prepared that
information
MR. HESS, Comptroller-Noted that he had contacted the library and got the information that's available to
us now which is the membership and usage from the year 2000. I have that in the file but it's incomplete
because the assessment is based on that and in combination with assessed values and the assessed values
for the current are not done. But we are gathering data and expect to be able to audit their budget numbers,
their budget distribution when it comes out.
MR. SALVADOR-With regard to library membership, can we start to build a trend on how this
relationship is, how it's compared from community to community?
MR.HESS, Comptroller-Yes and I apologize because I had said that I would try to have something trended
for that for tonight and I just have been involved with other things and didn't do it but I will have that
information to make sure it's distributed the next time around.
MR. SAL V ADOR-(read the following letter into the record addressed to the Commissioner of New York
State Taxation and Finance from the Board of Directors, Queensbury Regional Chamber of Commerce,
President, John Salvador on May 13th, 2002)
Dear Commissioner,
We find it necessary to communicate the long standing concerns of many of our members and
more recently our Board of Directors as these relate to amusement park collection and remittance of the
NY State Sales Tax.
We have been aware for some time that in certain instances the charges for "rides" at a place of
amusement are subject to sales tax as clearly outlined in your Department's Taxpayer Services Division's
Technical Services Bureau TSB-M-87 (l5)s dated November 13, 1987. It is often proclaimed that "rides
are not taxable"! As we see it, rides are sometimes taxable - depending on whether or not the charge for
use of "rides" is separate from any general admission charge.
Being a very popular tourist area where amusement parks offer "rides" day and night, our
membership is of the mind that some amusement parks may not be charging sales tax on "rides" simply
because of the perception that "rides" are not taxable. Some of these same amusement parks do not charge
a separate admission fee; rather the admission charge is part of the pay-one-price ticket. The Great
Escape, for instance, has sold a pay-one-price adult ticket for $32.00 stating on the ticket stub that the
admission fee is a mere $2.80 and the sales tax being paid by the attendee is $.20. The $32.00 pay-one-
price ticket allows the attendee almost unlimited use of "rides". There are some specialty rides within the
Great Escape Amusement Park for which there is an extra charge.
Although we are aware of the amount of sales tax collected from each attendee, we are not privy
to what the Great Escape actually may have remitted to the State for the sale of a pay-one-price ticket for
$32.00. In this regard, we would ask the Department for confirmation that the Great Escape does, in fact,
remit a full 7% (Warren County Sales Tax levy) on these pay-one-price tickets sold.
State and local government operating budgets are being strained to the limits. There is much talk
in our community about tax increases and even new taxes. Collection and remittance of legally required
sales taxes on amusement park "rides" could go a long way toward alleviating the budget strains and
forestall the day when increased and/or new taxes become necessary.
Your earliest attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Yours Truly,
John Salvador, Jr.
President
(letter on file in Town Clerk's Office)
MR. SALVADOR -Noted that they have yet to hear anything but promised to follow up on this issue...
Anything the town can do to help in this regard, we think is essential. . .
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Noted that he spoke with Assemblywoman Betty Little regarding this issue,
and she indicated that she will look into this. . .
MR. SALVADOR-Referred to the Lake George Park Commission and their intent to increase their fees by
fifty percent and noted concern regarding the fact that they don't have their funds going into a trust fund, as
previously required in the legislation... We have determined that in fact the Lake George Park Trust Fund
has never been created and to this end we have tried to audit this trust fund, we communicated with the
Office of Comptroller in 1999... We can not get answers on this... Somehow, someway we're going to
get to the route of this problem too but be aware that we're pursing that as well.
MR. HESS, Comptroller-Referred to the sales tax revenue and noted that in response to the concerns that
have come up over the past number of months, he did visit with the Deputy County Treasurer, Anne
Dressel and spoke to her about the county's procedures for auditing revenue... While she acknowledges
that there may be some errors in that, and several years ago, they went back and took a business list and
tried to correct some errors that were there. What she found was that there are some errors but they
generally occur both ways so they're offsetting. But they do a periodic review of that and she feels very
confident that the collections for Glens Falls and the county outside of Glens Falls are very accurate and I
felt that her assurance was justified.
OPEN FORUM CLOSED 8: 10 P.M.
RESOLUTIONS
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ACCEPTANCE OF PARCEL OF LAND LOCATED AT END OF
FIFTH STREET EXTENSION FROM LARRY CLUTE
RESOLUTION NO.: 246, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, Town resident Larry Clute has generously offered to donate to the Town of
Queensbury a parcel ofland located at the end of Fifth Street Extension designated as Tax Map No.: 131-
8-22, and
WHEREAS, the Town Highway Superintendent has evaluated the parcel and feels that
acquisition of the property would help improve the end of Fifth Street and its intersection with Richard
Street as it would allow for a normal perpendicular intersection rather than the current angled intersection
and therefore recommends that the Town accept the parcel, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board agrees that acquisition of the parcel will benefit Town residents and
therefore the Board wishes to authorize acceptance of the parcel,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby approves and accepts for Town highway purposes, the
transfer of a portion of the parcel designed as Tax Map No.: 131-8-22 located at the end of Fifth Street
Extension as more particularly described in a metes and bounds description prepared by VanDusen &
Steves for the Town, from Larry Clute to the Town of Queensbury, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor's Office to send a
copy of this Resolution to Larry Clute with its thanks for Mr. Clute's generosity in donating the parcel to
the Town of Queensbury, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs Town Counsel to prepare and
the Town Supervisor to execute any and all documents necessary to complete this transaction including a
Deed, Real Property Transfer Report and Capital Gains Affidavit in form acceptable to Town Counsel and
take such other and further action as may be necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
RESOLUTION TO AMEND 2002 BUDGET
RESOLUTION NO.: 247, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHEREAS, the attached Budget Amendment Requests have been duly initiated and justified and
are deemed compliant with Town operating procedures and accounting practices by the Town Comptroller,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Town
Comptroller's Office to take all action necessary to transfer funds and amend the 2002 Town Budget as
follows:
HIGHWAY:
FROM:
TO:
$ AMOUNT:
04-5130-1310
(Parts Clerk)
04-5110-1002
(Misc. Payroll)
$
9,893.00
PERSONNEL:
FROM:
TO:
$ AMOUNT:
01-1990-4400
(Contingency)
01-1430-4220
(Training & Ed.)
$
2,000
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
Town Board held discussion with Mr. Hatin, Director of Building & Codes regarding the following
proposed resolution, it was recommended and agreed by the board to change the proposed local law to read
from two feet to one foot as the minimum standard, which is recommended by DEC.
RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NO. OF 2002 TO
AMEND QUEENSBURY TOWN CODE CHAPTER 91 ENTITLED "FLOOD DAMAGE
PREVENTION"
RESOLUTION NO.: 248, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Roger Boor WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury participates in the National Flood Prevention Insurance
Program (NFIP), and
WHEREAS, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has revised its Flood
Insurance Rate Map and as such to remain eligible for participation in NFIP, the Town is required to adopt
amendments to its floodplain management regulations, and
WHEREAS, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Bureau of Flood
Protection further recommends that the Town's floodplain management regulations add additional
measures of safety by requiring that elevations required by local law exceed NFIP minimum standards, and
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board wishes to consider adoption of Local Law No.: _ of
2002 to amend Queensbury Town Code Chapter 91 entitled "Flood Damage Prevention," which Local Law
would provide for the updating of the Town's floodplain maps as required by the Federal Emergency
Management Agency (FEMA) and provide additional insurance benefits for the public by increasing
requirements for flood elevations within the Town of Queensbury, and
WHEREAS, this legislation is authorized in accordance with New York State Municipal Home
Rule Law ~1O and Town Law Article 16, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board wishes to set a public hearing concerning adoption of this Local
Law,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board shall meet and hold a public hearing at the
Queensbury Activities Center, 742 Bay Road, Queensbury at 7 :00 p.rn. on June 17th, 2002 to hear all
interested persons and take any necessary action provided by law concerning proposed Local Law No.:
of 2002, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Queensbury Town Clerk to
publish and post a Notice of Public Hearing concerning proposed Local Law No. _ of 2002 in the manner
provided by law.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
RESOLUTION APPROVING YEAR 2001 VOLUNTEER AMBULANCE WORKER SERVICE
AWARD PROGRAM RECORDS FOR BAY RIDGE RESCUE SQUAD, INC.
RESOLUTION NO.:
249,2002
INTRODUCED BY:
Mr. Tim Brewer WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board previously authorized engagement ofPENFLEX, Inc.,
to provide the 2001 Standard Year End Administration Services for the Town's Volunteer Ambulance
Workers Service Award Program, and
WHEREAS, as part of the Service Award Program, it is necessary that the Town Board approve
each Emergency Squad's Year 200 I Service Award Program Records, and
WHEREAS, the Town Supervisor's Office has received and reviewed the records from the Bay
Ridge Rescue Squad, Inc. and found them to be complete, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board wishes to approve these records,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby approves the 2001 Volunteer Ambulance
Worker Service Award Program Records for the Bay Ridge Rescue Squad, Inc., and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor to take all
action necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING HIRING OF SUSAN SHEEHAN AS WATER TREATMENT PLANT
OPERA TOR TRAINEE
RESOLUTION NO.: 250, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury Water Superintendent has advised the Town Board that
there is a vacant full-time Water Treatment Plant Operator Trainee position in the Water Department, and
WHEREAS, the Water Superintendent reviewed resumes, interviewed interested candidates from
the existing Warren County Civil Service List (Exam No.: 211) and has made a hiring recommendation to
the Town Board,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Water
Superintendent to hire Susan Sheehan as a full-time Water Treatment Plant Operator Trainee effective
June 4th, 2002 subject to an eight month probation period, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that Ms. Sheehan shall be paid the hourly rate of pay listed for the Water Treatment
Plant Operator Trainee position in the current CSEA Contract, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor, Water
Superintendent and/or Town Comptroller to complete any forms and take any action necessary to
effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002 by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ENGAGEMENT OF C.T. MALE ASSOCIATES, P.C. TO PROVIDE
CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION SERVICES CONCERNING ROUTES 9 AND 254 TRAFFIC
IMPROVEMENTS
RESOLUTION NO.: 251, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Roger Boor WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury's Executive Director of Community Development has
recommended that the Queensbury Town Board engage C.T. Male Associates, Inc., to provide contract
administration services to the Town in connection with the Routes 9 and 254 traffic improvement project,
such services to include assisting the Town in preparing a scope of work, the consultant selection process,
negotiating a fee and overall administration of the project, and
WHEREAS, c.T. Male has offered to provide these services for an amount not to exceed $6,500
as delineated in C.T. Male's Proposal dated March 25th, 2002 and presented at this meeting, and
WHEREAS, the Executive Director of Community Development has advised the Town Board
that the fees payable to C.T. Male are reimbursable to the Town from the New York State Department of
Transportation,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the engagement of
C.T. Male Associates, P.c. for the services referred to in this Resolution for an amount not to exceed
$6,500 to be paid for from the Engineering Service Consultant Fees Account No.: 001-1440-4720, with the
expectation that the New York State Department of Transportation will reimburse the Town for such costs,
and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town's Executive Director
of Community Development, Town Comptroller and/or Town Supervisor to execute any documentation
and take such other and further action as may be necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002 by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
RESOLUTION AWARDING BID FOR 2002 COMBINATION DUMP BODY WITH PLOW, WING
AND ALL NECESSARY HYDRAULICS AND ATTACHMENTS FOR TOWN HIGHWAY
DEPARTMENT
RESOLUTION NO.: 252, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHEREAS, the Town's Purchasing Agent duly advertised for bids for the purchase of a 2002
Combination Dump Body with Plow, Wing and all necessary hydraulics and attachments (Dump Body) as
specified in bid specifications previously prepared by the Highway Superintendent and/or Purchasing
Agent and
WHEREAS, Arrowhead Equipment, Inc., submitted the only and therefore lowest responsible bid
for the Dump Body in the amount of $56,589 and the Highway Superintendent and Purchasing Agent have
recommended that the Town Board award the bid to Arrowhead Equipment, Inc.,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby awards the bid for a 2002 Combination
Dump Body with Plow, Wing and all necessary hydraulics and attachments to Arrowhead Equipment, Inc.,
for an amount not to exceed $56,589 to be paid for from Highway Heavy Equipment Account No.: 04-
5130-2040, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor, Highway
Superintendent and/or Purchasing Agent to take any and all actions necessary to effectuate the terms of
this Resolution.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002 by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
Resolution 6.8, Resolution Authorizing Agreement Between the Town of Queensbury and Warren County
for Maintenance and Construction of County Roads was pulled for further discussion with the Highway
Superintendent. . .
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION
OF CURBS ON COOLIDGE AVENUE
RESOLUTION NO.: 253,2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY:
Mr. Theodore Turner
WHEREAS, Town of Queensbury funds have been appropriated in Account No.: 004- 5410-4478
for the purpose of the construction and replacement of curbs, and
WHEREAS, the Town's Highway Superintendent wishes to prepare a Request for Proposals
(RFP) to distribute to qualified contractors for design and construction services of curbs on approximately
509'(:!:) of the south side and approximately 114' (:!:) of the north side of that portion of Coolidge Avenue
located within the Town of Queensbury, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board wishes to solicit proposals for these services,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes the Town's Highway
Superintendent and/or Purchasing Agent to prepare and distribute a Request for Proposals for design and
construction services of curbs on approximately 509'(:!:) of the south side and approximately 114' (:!:) of the
north side of that portion of Coolidge Avenue located within the Town of Queensbury, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Highway Superintendent
and/or Purchasing Agent to take any further action necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES
Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Brower
NOES
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
Resolution 6.10, Resolution Authorizing Amendment to Town of Queensbury Safety Initiative Policy and
Appointing Fire Marshal Steve Smith as Town Safety Officer was pulled for further discussion with the
Safety Committee. . .
TOWN BOARD DISCUSSION
COUNCILMAN BREWER referred to the assessor issue with the city and the memo from Henry and
questioned the status.
SUPERVISOR BROWER noted that there should be a resolution on the agenda for the June 17th Regular
Town Board Meeting.
COUNCILMAN BREWER noted that he's been in contact with Mr. Hansen regarding the park proposal
that was discussed last week who indicated that it's the Town Board's call for the Recreation Assessment
Account money so that issue is pretty much a dead issue as far as where we're going to get it. .. I met last
Friday with Harry, the county and Feeder Dam Alliance, we discussed the plans and we drew up a list of
things we want done and we're going to meet with the contractor Friday morning, ten o'clock that you're
welcome to attend, at the site... The contractor is going to get us a price and hopefully we can get it
going... I forwarded the contract to Orion Power, there's a couple of minor changes... Hopefully, if we can
get this done, maybe we can have a resolution by the 17th.
SUPERVISOR BROWER requested to review this at the workshop on the 10th and Counsel Hafner stated
that they'll have the draft agreement available to review for the board as well.
OLD HOWARD JOHNSON'S SITE
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I read the board minutes today from all the meetings, there
were several discussions in which Mr. Lapper and Mr. Orlando promised to do some type of shrubbery and
make it aesthetically pleasing. It is referenced in the resolution that they will undertake some type of
aesthetic repair but it doesn't really specify. My thoughts were when I left that meeting, that they were
going to topsoil and seed it and maybe put some shrubbery in front of the building. As you see it, it's just
sand.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Well, that's certainly what I would prefer to see. I'm not sure where we can go
with it if it's not in the resolution itself but if they're on record as saying they would, we can get them to do
something.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I've got the minutes right here and I can refer to the minutes if
you'd like.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Did you meet with them today?
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I met with the roofer today, we went through the building and
the front half of the building, if you know where the pool area is, the two story, half of it was between the
Blacksmith Shop and the pool area, seventy-five percent of the roof is leaking, seventy-five percent of the
room, the roof is leaking. So, to me it's a ludicrous repair but the gentleman said he'll be willing to do it
two weeks from the date he gets the okay from Pyramid.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Are they aware that this isn't, I mean, if it, I can't speak for the board but if they
do like something that lasts for two months, you know, we're going to come back and if it's leaking, they're
going to have to continue to repair this.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Well, we've also got an issue too, that there's been more water
damage since, in the three months because the holes, all they did was throw plywood over them, some
plastic so they still continue to leak. Now, we have more damage in the building. There's also, I found
combustibles in the building still today. I took pictures today, unfortunately
COUNCILMAN BREWER-You found what?
MR.HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-More combustibles in the building today, you know, cardboard
boxes and stuff that I had asked them to remove was still there.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-We need to send a strong message and I don't know what the appropriate way to
do this is.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-It doesn't, the only time anything seems to get done, is, I
talked to you last week through a letter and I communicated with Dennis on Friday and when we talked to
Bob Orlando and now all of a sudden, the roofer is there today.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, when I called Bob, he called me right back and left a message for me that
he was having a roofer, they had gotten the bids, roofer was coming in, they were meeting with you and so
it sounded to me like
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-And the guy was there today to give them the bid.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-They had taken fast action.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Yea, it's the same old thing, you know. It's like the guy with the septic
system.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Yea, they just don't come, they never come through.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-We just give them forever. We ought to just put our foot down and say, look,
do it by this time or you're going to court and we did that I thought in February.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I mean, we keep saying that and then we don't back it up.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-And here it is June.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-I'll push as hard as you want me to push. I don't have a
problem with it.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Well, as hard as you can.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-The shrubbery issue is not in that resolution that we passed so I don't know
what our legal
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I'm not concerned about the shrubbery.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-I don't know what our legal rights are on that.
MR. CRAIG MACEWAN, Planning Board Chairman-May I make a suggestion?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Yes, Craig.
MR. MACEWAN, Planning Board Chairman-As you're aware, the Mall is back in front of the Planning
Board seeking modification for some expansions, I would encourage you guys if you have a laundry list of
things you want incorporated in it, I think there's probably a way in means that we could incorporate it in
any Planning Board approvals to assure that what you want done will get done.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-That would be great.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-We can't do that, can we? MR. MACEWAN, Planning Board Chairman-I
think there's a way to do it, isn't there? I mean we can make it contingent upon passing, I would think of,
any Town Board resolution. I mean, you had a resolution you said prior to wanting the site cleaned up.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-You mean the one we did in February, you mean?
MR. MACEWAN-Right.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-You have to comply with the existing Town Board resolution?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Yea, before
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-That doesn't sound like much ofa stretch.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-No, before you even entertain an application.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-I mean, you've got to be careful about things that are outside but this is
something they've already agreed to.
MR. MACEWAN-But this is all, I mean it's a modification to the mall, the mall's all one site.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-What about the shrubbery and stuff in front of the building, is that
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I don't much care about the shrubbery.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-I thought that they had said verbally
COUNCILMAN BREWER-They said they were going to seed it.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-That they would put blacktop and seeding and they would put
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Would you like me to get the minutes, I've got it marked as to
exactly what did they say?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Yea, if you've got them, Dave.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-And I thought that that was incorporated.
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-Regardless to whether it's a formal part of your resolution, I think, if
you ask, they, and make a strong demand, they're going to deliver because they do have projects in front of
the town. They are making other requests, Empire Zone designation was something that's been brought
up. They're going to do what you tell them to do and I think ,what Dave, hasn't had a clear direction and if
you tell us, this is what, the message you want to send, then we'll send the message and if we have
problems with enforcement, we'll take the necessary actions.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-But I had brought this up the last Town Board meeting and I believe somebody
said, no, we can't ask the Planning Board to not look it, and I don't know where it came from down there
but that was said. Now, is that correct or no?
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-You have to be very careful about the Planning Board bringing in outside
issues that aren't related to their current thing but I would think asking them to comply with the existing
resolution that they've already agreed to and contractually by the letter that they have sent us agreed to do,
it's not much of a step.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I thought that's what I had said, maybe I didn't word it as eloquently as you just
did but that's what I thought I, I intended to say was if they can't, if they're not complying with what's
already been requested and agreed to, I don't know why we continue down the road granting them more
and more stuff. I mean, it's
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-But I think, Roger, you've got that power right now. You've got a
resolution that they're not complying with, you have every, you have more power then the Planning Board
does and if you direct Dave to send the message, Dave will send the message and they'll comply with
whatever requirement they have to.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-But in what kind of a time fashion?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Yea, I know it, that's the thing.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-That's the key issue we have here.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-It doesn't get done, we keep saying do this and it doesn't get done.
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-Well, we do it every day, people don't comply.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yea, I guess there's two ways to proceed here and legally, I'm
not sure which is the right one because a typical court summons is not something that comes out of an
unsafe structure action, that's how I usually would handle something like this. Now, this is a Town Board
Order and to enforce the Town Board Order, I would think it would take a legal action through a Judge
rather then a court sununons.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-The safest way to enforce that would be to go to Warren County Supreme
Court to, similar to an injunction.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building and Codes-I mean, the Mall has been copied on every letter to the board
so they're aware of everything.
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-Again, a letter from the Town Attorney is pretty forceful.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-We'll be glad to write to them and we'll work with Dave to write the letter,
follow up. I mean, substantially, I think they have done the big issues that were in there. I mean, the
things that you're talking about are the more minor ones and we can follow up with it.
MR. HA TIN, Director of Building and Codes-The roof repair was a fairly substantial one.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-I think they painted the side of the building as well which was part of the
aesthetics.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-A nice job, I might add.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Well, when they first tore off that addition it looked pretty, it looked a lot better
after they painted it, let's put it that way.
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-And we can work with Dave and we'll send a letter and I'll also call Jon
Lapper and let him know how upset you are.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I mean, it's getting
SUPERVISOR BROWER-So, you'll send a letter to them?
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-I'll do a letter.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Okay, excellent.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-It's beyond irritating.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-And I'd let him know that the Town Board also assumed that some shrubbery
was going to be placed in front to make it look more attractive.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-The seeding, they said they were going to create somewhat of a lawn type
atmosphere there, they were going to put topsoil down and seed it.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Right.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Yea, they did.
MR. HA TIN, Director of Building & Codes-Yea, I've read through, there's nothing that really specifically
says that. What it does say here, Jon Lapper says, this is at your December 17th meeting, we would expect
that they immediately come in, repair the building after thirty days and the three months would be to do
some plantings and better maintain landscaping to just make it look more attractive.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-That to me implies more then just lawn.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Yea, but they haven't even done that.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-No, I know, I know.
MR. HATIN, Director of Building & Codes-They haven't done anything as far as landscaping goes.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-They haven't done anything, is right.
TOWN BOARD DISCUSSIONS
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Referred to the Great Escape and the order requesting them to build the walkway
and questioned whether there was a time limit?
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-Yes, I believe they are, I think they have two years or, if municipal
sewer is available within three years, at the time of municipal sewer, walkway was first item on their list.
They had to do the walkway, either at the onset or before any of the other improvements were completed
or opened. We speak with them informally on a pretty regular basis and it's our understanding that it's a
capital planning thing. They're not making investments this year. They still have to come back to the
Planning Board for Site Plan Review for all of the things that were identified in the EIS.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-But to your knowledge, they're no where on this?
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-They're progressing with engineering, it's a pretty complex engineering
project. .. I would expect that this fall we'll see the site plans come in for the final approvals for the
Planning Board and that they would construct next spring or during the off season.
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Noted, that the town was scheduled to have a town talk session this week to do
an Open Space discussion but unfortunately a bird shorted out two phases of their three phase system and
they lost most of the equipment, they couldn't even do a taping... However, since that didn't occur I
understand Chris Round, Marilyn Ryba and some members of the Open Space Committee met with Mark
Frost on TV8 to discuss the Open Space Plan...
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-It was a lively conversation but there's more discussion that could be
conducted and we'd encourage you to have Marilyn and anybody from the committee back on the program
to talk specifics about sites, etcetera... Would like to recognize the National Trails Day at Hovey Pond on
Saturday that had a terrific turnout with hundreds of people, many were first time visitors to Hovey Pond
Park who participated in different activities relating to health and outdoor activities... Today, George
Hilton, our planner started today. We've been short staffed for the last six months without a planner.
Craig MacEwan and I just met just prior to coming to this meeting about some issues that we're having and
they relate directly to our workload. Just to let you know we have four Planning Board Meetings this
month, four Zoning Board meetings this month. We have a very, very busy agenda and it's a problem for
us and one of the things we have on the books is an agenda limit and that's to limit sixteen items for each
month and that generally would limit us to two meetings. The reason I'm telling you this is because when
we tell people that they are number nineteen on the list or if they have an incomplete application, when we
ratchet down our standards, they're going to come to you all and ask what is the purpose of this and why
are they doing this to me and they personalize it. We just want to let you know that is something that we
will reintroduce in the coming months in order to make our workload a little bit more manageable...
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Would like to make a suggestion... I spoke with Helen Otte today and we had
an instance where a person bought a new mobile home, put it on his lot and when he did, he took the old
one off. Unbeknownst to him, we left his assessment the old trailer so for the past five years he's been
paying an assessed value of both trailers. Ultimately, we're going to have to give the guy a refund for three
years, by law, we're allowed do that. Helen and I were talking about it and she said a way to prevent that,
on the building permit, when he gets the new mobile home, maybe just a simple question, are you taking
the old mobile home off the premises. Something that we could add onto our building permit so that it
would prevent that. Just a thought, maybe you could take a look at that sometime.
MR. ROUND, Executive Director-We'll do that... As a follow up to Wednesday night's workshop, Bob
and I had a very good session talking about some creative ways to come up with funding for underground
utilities and we'll be back to you with them. . .. We do have later this week our regular Department Head
Manager's meeting, just remind you of that and anyone is welcome to attend.
ATTORNEY MATTERS
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-One of the projects we worked on our first year here was Hudson River
Park down on Big Boom Road and it started with a license agreement with the county. Mr. DeSantis gave
property to the county and the county let us have our park here. A few years ago the county started
looking into wanting to give us the property since it's our park and I think Harry, also said, why don't we
just own the property. Because it was given to the county as a park, the only way they could give it to
someone else even another municipality for a park is through the State Legislature. They've gotten that
approval and Paul Dusek has provided us with a draft of the deed which would go from the county to the
town and last Friday send final comments on that. We've reviewed this with Harry, it's something that his
department has wanted and I wanted to get input from you, unless you guys say otherwise, that we'll put
this on for the next Town Board meeting. We've reviewed the deed, it's pretty similar to the deed that went
into the county. It has certain restrictions that Mr. DeSantis put on that you won't block his billboards and
he has the right to go on the property to cut down the trees if they're in the way. But otherwise, it's part of
our park and it's a pretty generous gift that he made and the county's now giving to us. So, can we put that
on Dennis for the next meeting?
SUPERVISOR BROWER-Sure, absolutely.
RESOLUTION TO ADJOURN BOARD MEETING
RESOLUTION NO.: 254, 2002
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner WHO MOVED FOR IT'S ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns it's Regular Town
Board Meeting.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2002, by the following vote:
AYES:
Mr. Brower, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer
NOES:
None
ABSENT:
Mr. Stec
No further action taken.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, DARLEEN M. DOUGHER TOWN CLERK TOWN OF
QUEENSBURY