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1991-04-22 SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING APRIL 22, 1991 7:00 P.M. MTG#18 RES#24 1-248 BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT SUPERVISOR STEPHEN BORGOS COUNCILMAN GEORGE KUROSAKA COUNCILMAN MARILYN POTENZA COUNCILMAN RONALD MONTESI COUNCILMAN BETTY MONAHAN TOWN ATTORNEY PAUL DUSEK PRESS CHANNEL 8, G.F. POST STAR, WWSC, MOREAU SUN TOWN OFFICIALS TOM FLAHERTY, RALPH VANDUSEN, JOHN GORALSKI, PAT CRAYFORD, KATHLEENKATHE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY SUPERVISOR BORGOS PRESENTATION REQUEST FOR ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR LICENSE EDMUND HOAG-ChiefElectrical Inspector for Independent Electrical Inspection Agency. Requested permission to do electrical inspections in the Town of Queensbury. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Asked the Town Clerk if she had received a completed application? TOWN CLERK-Stated part of it. Noted that she still hasn't received where the main office is going to be located in Queensbury, telephone number, the name and qualifications of each inspector. MR. HOAG-Noted that he will submit documents to Town Clerk. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Noted that when he submits this information the Town Board will review the information. RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR REPLACEMENT CLEATS FOR THE WHEELS OF THE REX MODEL 3-35 TRASHMASTER TRASH COMPACTOR LOCATED AT RIDGE ROAD LANDFILL RESOLUTION NO. 241, 1991 Introduced by Mrs. Betty Monahan who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. George Kurosaka: WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is desirous of purchasing replacement cleats for the wheels of the Rex Model 3-35 Trashmaster Trash Compactor located at the Town Landfill, on Ridge Road, in the Town of Queensbury, which items are more specifically identified in the proposed bid documents and specifications submitted to this meeting, and WHEREAS, pursuant to Section 103 of the General Municipal Law, it is necessary to advertise for bids and award the said proposed contract to the lowest responsible bidder meeting New York State Statutory requirements, and the requirements set forth in the bid documents presented at this meeting, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that an advertisement for bids for the said replacement cleats for the wheels of the Rex Model 3-35 Trashmaster Trash Compactor located at the Town Landfill, on Ridge Road, in the Town of Queensbury, be published in the official newspaper for the Town of Queensbury and that such advertisement indicate that bids will be received at the Office of the Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury at any time until, but not later than May 13th, 1991, at 2:00 p.m., and that the bids will be publicly opened and read at 2:05 p.m. by the Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury, and such advertisement shall indicate that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury shall have the right, at its discretion, to reject all bids and re-advertise for new bids as provided by the laws of the State of New York, and BE IT FURTHER, RESOLVED, that Miss Darleen Dougher, Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury is hereby authorized to open all bids received at the Office of the Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury, at 2:05 p.m., May 13th, 1991, read the same aloud and make record of the same as is customarily done, and present the bids to the next regular or special meeting of the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury. Duly adopted this 22nd day of April, 1991, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs. Potenza, Mr. Montesi, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Borgos Noes: None AbsentNone RESOLUTION TO SET PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ZONING ORDINANCE -REGARDING PETITION FOR CHANGE OF ZONE RESOLUTION NO. 242, 1991 Introduced by Mrs. Marilyn Potenza who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. Ronald Montesi: WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is presently considering an amendment, supplement, change and/or modification to the Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance which was adopted on October 1, 1988, and more specifically considering a petition for change of zone by Kerry V. Girard, whereby his parcel ofland, known as Tax Map No. 108-1-4.1, would be changed by Single Family Residential - 20,000 square feet to (a) Multi-Family Residential- 5,000 square feet and (b) Land Conservation - 10 Acres, thus modifying the existing Zoning Ordinance and map, and WHEREAS, certain conditions have been proposed to be placed on the property as follows: 1. The subject premises shall be developed in accordance with the Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance, as same may be amended from time to time, as well as any conditions proposed by the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury with regard to the approval of the Cline Meadow Subdivision, of which the subject premises is a part. Said development shall include open space to be owned and maintained by a Homeowner's Association, with the same to be evidenced in a written agreement, which shall be filed in the Warren County Clerk's Office; 2. No construction shall take place, and no parking shall be allowed, within 100' of the wetland boundary, as determined by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation; 3. Stormwater runoff from the proposed parking lot and roof areas shall be infiltrated and not directly discharged into said wetland; 4. Infrastructure improvements shall be completed within two years of commencement of same; 5. In reference to Section 277 of Town Law, a Performance Bond or Two Year Irrevocable Letter of Credit sufficient to cover the cost of completion of all infrastructure improvements shall be furnished to the Town of Queensbury prior to construction of any buildings on the 5.51 acre parcel to be zoned MR-5. Such Performance Bond shall be issued by a bonding or surety company approved by the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury and approved, as to form, sufficiency and execution by said Town Board; 6. The 5.5 acre portion to be zoned MR-5 shall be developed for the purposes of constructing affordable, quality senior citizen housing in the Town of Queensbury, as contemplated in the Comprehensive Land Use Plan of the Town of Queensbury. Said condition, and initial and original construction and/or sales or leases to be performed by, through, or under the sponsorship of a nonprofit corporation; 7. Owner/developers or agents thereof shall submit an application to the New York State Department of Housing and Urban Development for a grant or loan which may be used to develop the aforesaid parcel to be rezoned MR-5 to create exclusive housing for senior citizens. Said owners, developers or agents thereof are required to use due diligence in making the aforesaid application in attempting to receive the funds for the development of said property. The application referred to herein shall be made and a response obtained from the New York State Department of Housing and Urban Development before the commencement of construction of any unit upon the property to be rezoned MR-5; 8. A Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions shall be executed and filed by the developers, property owners, and the Town Supervisor, on behalf of the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury, which Declaration shall set forth the above conditions and which shall also provide that the same may not be revised without the prior approval and written consent of the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury following a public hearing on said revisions, which said public hearing shall occur only after at least ten (10) days after notice of the time and place of such hearing shall have been published in a paper of general circulation in the Town and posted on the sign board maintained by the Town Clerk, in accordance with Town Law, and WHEREAS, in order to so amend, supplement, change, modify, or repeal the Ordinance, it is necessary to hold a public hearing prior to adopting said proposed amendment, NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury shall hold a public hearing, at which time all parties in interest and citizens shall have an opportunity to be heard, upon and in reference to a proposed amendment, supplement, change, and/or modification to the Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance which was adopted on October 1, 1988, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that said public hearing shall be held on May 13th, 1991, at 7:00 p.m., at the Queensbury Activities Center, 531 Bay Road, Queensbury, Warren County, New York, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury is hereby authorized and directed to give 10 days notice of said public hearing by publishing the notice presented at this meeting for purpose of publication in an official newspaper of the Town and by posting on the Town bulletin board outside the Clerk's Office and notice, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Planning Department of the Town of Queensbury is also hereby authorized and directed to give written notice of the proposed amendment to the Zoning Ordinance of the Town of Queensbury in accordance with the written notice presented at this meeting, to be delivered 10 days prior to the following: Warren County, by service upon the Clerk of the Board of Supervisors, and such other communities or agencies that it is necessary to give written notice to pursuant to Section 264 of the Town Law of the State of New York, the Zoning Regulations of the Town of Queensbury and the Laws of the State of New York, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Planning Department of the Town of Queensbury is hereby authorized and directed to give notice of said proposed amendment to the Zoning Ordinance and refer said proposed amendment to the Warren County Planning Agency and the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury for their review in accordance with the laws of the State of New York and Zoning Ordinance of the Town of Queensbury, and that copies of the Ordinance, this resolution and copies of the notices be given to said agencies unless said agencies already have copies of the same, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Planning Department of the Town of Queensbury is also hereby directed to give notice and refer this matter to the Adirondack Park Agency in accordance with the laws, rules and regulations of the State of New York and the Adirondack Park Agency. Duly adopted this 22nd day of April, 1991, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs. Potenza, Mr. Montesi, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Borgos Noes: None AbsentNone PUBLIC HEARING INCREASE IMPROVEMENT TO THE QUEENSBURY CONSOLIDATED WATER DISTRICT SUPERVISOR BORGOS-I'll ask our Clerk has this been advertised? TOWN CLERK-Yes, it has. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-The best way to start this I guess, is to ask our Water Superintendent or Deputy Superintendent to please explain very briefly what it is you propose and why you feel there is a necessity for this particular project now. TOM FLAHERTY, WATER SUPERINTENDENT-What we have ask the Board to do and the Board has done engage the firm of O'Brien and Gere to do a study for us at looking at us expanding our office section of the Water Treatment Plant. We feel that we need the expansion of the offices for the future growth of Queensbury and if we go out and expand to some of the other communities it would provide adequate space we need to do that also. Our offices now are becoming quite crowded, our storage space is lacking for records and things that we have to maintain and this was the thought that brought this about. At this point, I'd like to turn it over to Tony Geiss, from O'Brien and Gere and let him explain his study and what he's come up with. DRAWING OF PLANT PRESENTED TONY GEISS, O'Brien and Gere Engineers- I represent both the combine firms of O'Brien and Gere and Rist Frost who did the study associated with this facility of which this is a plan of the plan that we developed for the expansion of the facilities. This is the plan as it appears in the report and there was some confusion, I understood that the plan and the elevation were a little different because you needed to look at the building from the view from the top. I did a little cutting and pasting it's the same drawing, I just cut them apart a little bit and turned it around so that the view that you see here is the view from the road and I turned the plan upside down. But, just to represent what is new and what is existing to show what we are doing at the facility or proposing at the facility is an addition into the administrative area, a little pointing out of what the existing is here. Existing wise you have pump rooms and then administrative and operations area is here as well as lavatory which comes across here in the back of the plant is where the treatment units are. This here is actually the filters and there would be a huge box up here which would be the settling tanks these are behind the treatment plant. So were looking at this operations and administrative area which is the existing and looking at what needed to be done. Looking at what Tom, in reviewing with the Water Department what their needs are and then how those needs could be met with new areas. Now, the existing administrative area to give you some number to start with was around 4,400 sq. ft. A few things in developing the report and talking with the Water Department over the years the service area has pretty much tripled and in tripling you have triple the number of customers which cause their files, plans, and the record keeping and the needs for keeping the storing of those records developed. The existing administrative area such as say the conference room right now the conference room is for storage, meetings, copying purposes, it has a multiple number of uses some of the offices have turned into storage areas eliminating any drafting for keeping the plans that need to be done. The existing building has also been utilized by the Wastewater Department as well which wasn't one of the original uses. Record keeping has become a major task of the facility which back in 1975 such things as your worker's right to know, OSHA, MSDS sheets which are your chemical information sheets, all these things are new things that have to be kept so record keeping is becoming a major task at the facility the growth of the lab is another item, the number of tests and other operations that the lab must do is require an expansion of the lavatory facility. Right now one thing in the lab there is no receiving area, there is no billing area for the lab so these are types of things that Tom and the rest of the Water Department were reviewing with us when we started looking at it. Again, where does the computer go right now they are sitting on top of file cabinets or other things to run the facilities these are things that weren't envisioned in the original. Some of the other issues that come into the facility that we looked at was that there was no, as it sits today, no ladies locker room although there is no woman operators there are woman employees in the lab and the rest of the facility and need for a ladies locker room is now recognized. Operators use the locker rooms more than the lavatory and the secretaries, but there is need and were going to have woman operators in the future. The existing facilities are not accessible to the handicapped so the need for converting them to handicapped facilities you need a little more room for the facilities. One thing, I talked about the lab looking at the lab that process is for the eternal operation of the treatment plant but, also the system analysis and the new regulations that are coming out are requiring more and more analysis to be done and also the other systems in the surrounding area also are served by the facilities so there is need for receiving samples now and billing out those samples. There was a lunch room here it's been eaten up pretty much through the other storage and other things so there was need for a luncheon area. I mentioned the wastewater the water and wastewater is all under one department head, yet the supervisors for the wastewater aren't located in this building there is an additional office that was converted into the lobby area here but again, there was need for offices for the wastewater facility. Billing, right now the billing is in part of the operation area so there was a reason to define a separate area for billing away from the moist conditions and the chemical conditions. Administratively there is a mix of operations going on with the operations, administration, billing, all in the same offices lead to a lot of conflict and travel patterns operation of the daily operation and also storage of facilities. What we looked at doing and in looking at all these needs we listed, there is a long list in here of the specific needs and areas we looked at what was going to happen with the Treatment Plant and the fact that the Treatment Plant and the fact that the Treatment Plant were looking at growth in its capacity sometime in the future now, what can we do, how can we split up the facilities and what are the real needs of the facilities. We defined a need of about 8)00 additional sq. ft. and what we looked at is the original facility the existing area making that a lavatory and the operations area across here such that, that is really where all the water work is being taken care of. In looking at the new areas and we looked at the most economical way was to go with two floors rather than put it all on one long floor. Infact, one thing that lead to that is there is a general reduction in grade or down slope as you come out to the south of the property so we could take advantage of that and connect the two buildings together and put two floors in using a basement which you would have to put a foundation down anyway and then a floor above it. We were able to then incorporate all the administrative functions, the accounting, billing, the engineering, engineering is a term were using were talking about the drafting of the record keeping in the wastewater offices in the new facility of which this is the second floor the first floor is shown above here. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-I was going to say it was an elevator. MR. GEISS-We got a room or a little area shown we got to maintain the handicapped access to the facility by utilizing the slope we got access to the lower area and by ramping up from the existing building which has handicapped access because it's at grade we were able to access both floors of the building without utilizing an elevator. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-Very expensive. MR. GEISS-It is expensive so we were able to access both floors for the handicapped without an elevator. we're looking at a new access point here in the middle of the building which will have stairs up and down to enter the building and also a door at the end down here to get in down to the first floor. There will be toilet facilities for men and women on both floors and then office layout here is the approximate layout that we worked out with the Water Department on how the intermix of the offices are. Basically were looking at a two story building brick and black, brick outside structure with the windows approximately laid out that were talking about, a ramp up so that the actual structures would be separate from the existing structure here and connected by a walkway so that travel between the buildings will be under cover. Any future expansion of the treatment facilities became a question too and how would those reflect into the facility. We looked at and laid out that expansion of the facilities would occur behind here adjacent to the existing units and then behind those would be where the expansion of the actual treatment would occur so that this is in front of these treatment units. There probably would be a small grass area and then some treatment tanks back here as you would expand the Treatment Plant this would have a paved or parking area in front and then grass, maybe parking in the back, but most likely grass and then the treatment units behind that. One of the things with the separation there are some pipes that go through right here that come across the front and go through so rather than interfere with those that's one reason why we went with a ramp connecting the two, the idea of a ramp this not being a final item some of these things can change. We're looking at what the square footage was what the approximate cost would be for the facility. By talking cost we looked at about $830,000.00 project cost for the facility this relates into a cost of about 13 to 14 cents per thousand dollars of assessed value for the Queensbury Consolidated Water District and one thing that the Water Department brought out is that there is more than just the consolidated Water District there is the other service district, I didn't have the exact assessment for all the other districts, but were talking maybe in the range of 10 or 11 cents per thousand when the other districts come in as well, I wish to point that out so the consolidated water district your talking about 13 cents a thousand assessed value, but with the others coming in and I'm approximating that it would be less 10 or 11 cents a thousand. I will open it up for questions that anybody might have. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-Tony, you said that this is approximately 8,800 sq. ft.? MR. GEISS-8,300 sq. ft. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-So what were looking at is a total cost engineering projected budget, contingency, legal and engineering fees of about a $100 a square foot? MR. GEISS-Yes. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-I don't know if anybody else has been out there, I think all of us have been out there. SUPERVISOR BORGOS- There is no room. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-They're right on top of each other files, offices, storage of equipment, cleaning materials behind somebody's desk they need the room even now and this is plans for the future and I think they greatly need it. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Let me see if they are any members of the public that wish to ask any questions, if so would you state your and address please. BILL WRIGHT-What I'd like to find out what construction are you using inside, how are you finishing this off and coming up with $100.00 a square foot? MR. GEISS-We're using basically metal walls with sheetrock, metal doorways similar to what your talking about here with wooden doors in them that's what were looking at it's a general office atmosphere is what were looking at. MR. WRIGHT-What kind of roof do you have on plan for it? I'm trying to arrive at, it seems like a $100.00 a square foot is awfully expensive for just office area. MR. GEISS-The roof is a general built-up roof that could be a single membrane roof, but in today's standards I think the general built-up roof is what were looking at. We looked at the general finishes in there, we looked at this being the administrative area, we were looking at electrical the heating and ventilating conditions or air conditioning for some of the rooms there are also included all the tradework is also included in it. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Let me jump in for a minute. I didn't prepare the estimate, but I don't know if your trying to compare this to normal construction or comparing with other municipal construction. One thing you have to be aware of in the general public if your not aware of that we have municipal bidding requirements that still under the Wicks Law which is still in effect we have to bid at least four separate contracts, one contract could get two or more. We also have to pay prevailing wage rates which are usually almost double what the actual wage rates are in the area so if normally you would be looking at the range of $60.00 to $65.00 a square foot your probably looking at $100.00 just because of the extra government regulations. MR. WRIGHT -I was looking at something more like in the neighborhood of $40.00 a square foot. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Is that some of your calculation. MR. GEISS-Part of it is that. The other thing we came up with a general estimate and at this stage in the project we got a 20 per cent contingency in there for things that we couldn't put a handle on right now. I think even in general house construction $40.00 a sq. ft. is pretty tight with just a house much less what you got to do with office conditions. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-Tony, I think one of the other factors that your looking at too, it's a judgement call is that in 1975 they built a pretty substantial building brick outside, I think it was done is a class operation. You have to make the decision are you going to extend this building in brick or are you going to extend it in wood whatever so that, I think your proposal is marrying the two your are extending that new addition and it will be done in brick. MR. GEISS-Your looking at extending the building to match the existing building as it comes across keeping the outside architect or the outside appearance as if it would be one building when your all done is what were doing brick and block with a steel frame for the building and then brick and block for the outside finishes. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-You couldn't build it that big in wood anyway. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-I think generally if the public was to visit the existing facility the one thing that has always impressed me is that those that have been in a management position in the existing facility have cared for the investment that this Town has made, it looks as nice today as it did in 1975. There is a housekeeping standard in there that is to be marveled at so that I think our dollars were well spent then and hopefully what were looking to is to perpetuate that. MR. GEISS-I think the interior finishes are much more rugged, much more utilitarian then you would put in a house finish also you have certain fire requirements that require the walls and the ceiling to be of a certain material when your into a public building such as this, again your upgrading your materials from a standard house. The size also. . .it can't be wood for the two story structure with the loadings that your going to be putting on it so your into a concrete steel construction like I said, block and brick for the walls as opposed to wood frame with joyce and some other wood finish on the outside. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Does that answer your question enough? Your welcome to comeback and ask more details. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN-I think another thing too Steve is, if you look at the estimated bid price your down to about $70.00 a square footage, if your look at the estimated bid and contingency your up to about $80.00 a square foot, but what puts this up that doesn't happen in a lot of buildings is the engineer, legal, and those types of costs which adds a great deal more to it. But, you know the estimated bid price and I'm not recommending you do that cause there is always contingencies in these kinds of bids and you've got a factor them in, but that's $70.00 a square foot without the contingencies so the contingencies put it to $80.00 and the rest are your professional fees. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Which are required by law. MR. GEISS-The $830,000 included the whole envelope the project cost which is the architecture, engineering and contingencies. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-I qualified that because I wanted the public to know that, that was the bottom line the total package. MR. GEISS-We went right to the bottom line but again, we have 20 per cent in there for contingencies. We're only at this stage there is no detail other than assessment of what the interior finishes would be and working off of estimating books, but when you get into the details that where the contingency starts to come into play. Typically what we would do when we came to a final estimate we would probably reduce that contingency to about 5 per cent when were done with design going out for bid we would do another estimate and there would be only 5 per cent of the bottom instead of twenty. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-If could build a 1500 sq. ft. house it would cost you $90,000 that is $60.00 a square foot for a house that is wood frame not expensive construction either. MR. GEISS-That's not expensive construction. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-That's cheap construction. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN-That doesn't include the postage wage scale or the Wicks Law any of that type of stuff that we can't do anything about if want to do something about that you have to lobby your State Legislature. MR. GEISS-I built a house three years ago and I know it was $50.00 a square foot and I didn't got a lot of extras in it, it was a conventional colonial it was $50.00 a square foot and I've been comparing it to some other houses at the time and houses went from $50.00 to $150.00 a square foot in construction, I'm not talking lot cost either I'm talking just house cost construction. Personally, I know $50.00 is what I paid for my house. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Anyone else from the public? PLINEY TUCKER-Division Road, Queensbury. Is everybody available for questions? SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Everybody. MR. TUCKER-Tony, $830,000 will you guarantee that? Why I'm saying this is that we've had several project here and had over runs on all of them and I mean over runs. One that was supposed to go for $200,000 went to $350,000, a sewer district that was suppose to go for 7 million went to 9.4 million. I'm in the building business, evidently you are and I build houses when I give a person a price on the house it's guaranteed. I'm just wondering if we have any kind of guarantee that this is going to hold at $830,000? MR. GEISS-I'm personally not the builder as you are so I don't have the final estimate. The final builders estimate I'm not doing I'm doing the engineering estimate to the best of our knowledge were going to work to hold this price or were going to have reasons why the price changes because of the changes in the facility itself. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA- That's what you call a budget estimate. . . MR. GEISS-As I said, we put an estimate together and we added a 20 per cent contingency at the bottom, but were in the design stage we don't have the final material or detail. I did not do a detail material take off as you do in building things basically I'm using general estimating criteria and that's why I've come up with the contingency on that and we would work to bring it in the budget for this or if there were changes in that. . . MR. TUCKER-I understand. MR. GEISS-We would list those changes that caused it to go over. MR. TUCKER-What is involved in this as far as future expansion of the Water Department? MR. GEISS-Future expansion of the treatment process? MR. TUCKER-Yeah. MR. GEISS-This handles the administration of the Water Department. The expansion of the Treatment Plant, as I said the treatment units are behind the existing facility right now this square here represents the filters and there is the settling tanks which extent up here. Future settling tanks and future filters would be built behind or to the east of the administration building between here and the channel. MR. TUCKER-I think the original building has controlled panels and everything? MR. GEISS-Yes. MR. TUCKER-Will this addition have area for that? MR. GEISS-The control panels in the control area probably for an expansion will remain the same. What is not of sufficient size and I'm saying this from the water expansion work which is almost 100 per cent done is chemical storage area isn't sufficient. There are plans for a chemical storage expansion to occur over in here and the actual treatment units over here. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-It's part of the treatment plans. MR. GEISS-It's part of the treatment plans it's completely separate. But, the instrumentation and control the existing room is large enough to work with that. Again, here a lot of things have happened instrumentation wise over the last 20 years that allow the instruments, infact the best alternate for instruments is to go to some type of what we call a simplicity computer control because you can do better storage of data and retrieve data much quicker then going with the large instruments where you need panels that get to be miles long. With this you can put it right on the table or you can have just a monitoring instruments rather than the big recorders so the existing room and the control room can remain the same. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-There is also a pile of desk in there too. MR. GEISS-There is room in the control room to do the control from the existing room. MR. TUCKER-Whatever the future expansion is. MR. GEISS-That's right. MR. TUCKER-I guess for you Tom. How far are we developed in the Town as far as the Town and it's entirety of having water? MR. FLAHERTY-Development wise and the percentage it's going to be hard to answer your question that way Pliney. Basically our service area runs as far north as Farm to Market Road which I believe your aware of we have areas to the east and to the west that are developable. Were running as far as our plant itself we are exceeding our capacity rating presently with what were servicing. MR. TUCKER-And it's each and everyday. MR. FLAHERTY-On the I'll defer to Ralph, who is the chief operator on that. What percentage are we over running? RALPH VANDUSEN, DEPUTY WATER SUPERINTENDENT-Seasonally we would be exceeding our current approvals by the State, in otherwords this time of the year were probably using between 2 and 2 1/2 million gallons a day. Were approved for 3.75 and months of June, July, August, maybe part of September we would be exceeding that a good share of the days. MR. TUCKER-I think it was 1988 or 1989, I was told that you 3 days you pumped as much as 5 million gallons. MR. VANDUSEN-We had a peak day of7 million. MR. TUCKER-How much storage do we got three tanks? MR. VANDUSEN-Three tanks 4 million gallons total capacity. MR. FLAHERTY-One thing I'll point out is that you have 4 million gallons total capacity storage, but you really don't have 4 million gallons because you have to keep a cushion for fire purposes. One point I would like to point out you ask a question about this expansion would allow for the additional expansion as far as the treatment goes, in a sense it would because we would convert the existing administration area that were using now would be utilized for future plant expansion operation. MR. TUCKER-Where you are in administration you won't be using that all up? MR. FLAHERTY-No. We are moving the present administration to the new part the offices we have now would be utilized for a portion of what were going to need for the plant expansion. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-Pliney, there are a couple areas last year that Tom and Ralph and the Water Study Committee looked at, one was we had some request for Glen Lake specifically from Route 9 to Bay Road along Glen Lake. It would had required twelve miles of height is it twelve miles Tom, I think. It is an extremely expensive addition to a water district and very cumbersome to do, but what we were looking at is what would it cost to totally supply water to the Glen Lake area, because many of those homes use Glen Lake as a source of water. The other area that we've initiated some kind of a study was to, what would happen if for some reason some of the homes in and about the landfill suddenly had problems with their wells, how quickly would be able to get water up there physically and hydrologically. There are three other areas in Town that look to be in the near future for development. Our water lines stop at Ridge Road and Cronin, there are two major subdivisions as you go up Ridge Road, one being Rolling Ridge and the other being Butternut that you get all the way up to Haviland Road and then you could make a loop with Hiland Park so there is an area for growth that should take place in the future. Another area that I was unaware that we have a little gap in our water system is on Sherman Avenue Road is there a couple. . . MR. FLAHERTY-Sherman Avenue has a gap in it. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-Couple thousand offeet of where the subdivisions has been met and that looks like an area that we should be developing also. MR. TUCKER-Where is this Tom? MR. FLAHERTY-Basically from Michaels Drive down past Pasco Drive to Burnt Ridge, there is a section in there. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-We just had a request in the last few days to supply water in the Pasco Avenue Section. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-We had a request from Pasco Avenue for two years. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Ijust had it come into the office. MR. FLAHERTY-Pliney, we come down from West Mountain Road. . . and Amy Lane we stop right there. We come up from the Northway and we stop at Burnt Ridge and there is a gap in between there. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-I think if you looked at what those things that I just talked about you might be looking at somewhere between 400 and 500 thousand gallons a day of additional usage. I'm not saying that it would be worthy of expanding that right now because there is a cost factor involved, but within our community that I could see as being part of the Water Study Committee in the next five to ten years those are areas that I think would be easily suitable for growth within our community. MR. TUCKER-I know Steve, that you've been talking to our neighbors what's the results of that? SUPERVISOR BORGOS- They're all waiting for the report which I expect to see fairly soon. At this point everyone we've talked to except the village of South Glens Falls is extremely interested. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-Even the city? SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Even the city is interested at this moment they're waiting to see the numbers they are going to make a dollar and sense decision they've said. But, that takes us all the way from the village of Lake George over to Warren, Kingsbury, the Village of Hudson Falls, the Village and Town of Fort Edward, Town of Moreau, we've even heard from the Town of Wilton it's a pretty big area. MR. TUCKER-I heard a rumor the other day is Kingsbury going to expand quit a bit, have they said their going to? I heard they were going to get to that new golf course down there. . . SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Bob Corrigan says he wants to use our water as much as he can so I don't know exactly what his plans are. MR. TUCKER-You don't have any real commitment from anybody? SUPERVISOR BORGOS-We haven't asked for any really commitment at this point and were waiting to see the numbers and everyone else is waiting. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-The golf course is going in anyway, I've talked to the owner. MR. TUCKER-Being a member of the original Queensbury Water District, I'm wondering how wastewater got involved in that thing up there? SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Why the Wastewater Department is presently the Water Department? MR. TUCKER-Why were furnishing office space for the wastewater and what have you. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-The Water Superintendent is also the Director of Wastewater at the moment. MR. TUCKER-I understand that. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-It only makes sense to have his office in one place and we don't have any spare room anywhere else in the Town. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-We don't want to build a new building either. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-As we go into a new building if there is a separate room assigned for this purpose that wastewater use would have to pay rent to the water district. MR. TUCKER-I was just wondering because. . . SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Right now they are in the hallway. MR. TUCKER-They are in the lobby that's the only over crowding I see up there was them in the lobby. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Have you been in the conference room or in any of the other rooms? MR. TUCKER-No, you don't get to wander around like that up there. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-You should stop over and I think you'll find there are desk and then there is storage all over the place. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-The crew room has three desks in it. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN-They are crowded to the point Pliney, that in order to use some kind of office machines you have to roll out other office machines out of the way so you can pull these out of a corner to use them. MR. TUCKER-I know where your coming from, but also things are getting kind of tough out there. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN-Pliney, you know that I am a conservative and yet I walked through that place and wondered how people could possibly work in the certain conditions under which were asking them to work. I think what your loosing is efficiency of your personal because of the way things are set up now. MR. TUCKER-You know I'm a house builder and I talk to the head of the building department the other day as of April 1st, the Town of Queensbury had issued 16 residential permits and under any circumstances a Town this size that ain't a lot of permits. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN-I agree with you, but this is space that is needed not for future growth but for what's happened already they are working in conditions that should not be there right now. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-I don't know my business picked up this last month something fantastic. MR. TUCKER-Well there drawing a lot of pictures George, but they ain't selling anything. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-Somebody must be selling something. MR. TUCKER-When you sell five houses in a week and twenty come on the list you ain't making much head way and that is just what is happening. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-A hundred contractors come in with a house a piece that is one hundred houses one a piece. MR. TUCKER-The thirteen cents you were talking about if I understand it correctly was just for the Queensbury Water District? MR. GEISS-Yes. It was what the $830,000 reflects into the assessed value for the Queensbury Consolidated Water District. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-What interest rate is that, seven per cent? MR. GEISS-Seven per cent. MR. TUCKER-Isn't that the original one? MR. FLAHERTY-The original one has been consolidated several times. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-The area I'm in is consolidated. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Mr. Geiss has just mentioned that is with an interest rate of 7 per cent. The other day we borrowed a substantial amount of money at 5.5 per cent so that your on the conservative side provided that we were to start this building in the near future we would do bond anticipation note financing for a brief period of time. Ordinarily we would probably convert that to a general obligation bond probably. MR. TUCKER-What did you get the five on the sewer? SUPERVISOR BORGOS-On the courthouse 5.5 per cent Trustco Bank. MR. TUCKER-That shows you times are getting tough. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-I'm very happy to take that number. MR. TUCKER -Can I get back up if I think of something? SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Anytime you'd like before we close the hearing. MR. TUCKER-Thank you very much. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Anyone else with comments and questions? Would it be fair to summarize that we need this building for better access for handicapped, for locker rooms for woman, meet the state and national standards, I made a bunch of notes here, expansion of lab services which will generate revenue, storage of records and computer equipment those are some of the big items would be that correct, and efficiency and other things. MR. GEISS-That's right. Efficiency of the administrative areas such that there are rooms for the operation for administrative for billing areas to collect the fees also. COUNCILMAN KUROSAKA-Your separating operation from the administration basically. MR. GEISS-Were separating the operation from administration in getting the administrative areas away from the moist areas of the operation such that filing and billing and everything done is done is a strict office atmosphere rather then a combined lavatory treatment office atmosphere. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Any other comments or questions from Board members or members of the public? Mr. Tucker, last call. MR. TUCKER-I can't think of anything if I do I'll speak up. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Hearing no more comments will close this hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED 8:00 P.M. RESOLUTION ADOPTING DETERMINATION OF NON-SIGNIFICANCE OF PROPOSED INCREASE AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE FACILITIES OF THE QUEENSBURY CONSOLIDATED WATER DISTRICT RESOLUTION NO. 243, 1991, Introduced by Mrs. Marilyn Potenza who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. George Kurosaka: WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is presently considering the approval and authorization of an increase and improvement of the facilities of the Queensbury Consolidated Water District, to wit: improvement of the water filtration plant administrative offices located at RD#2, Corinth Road, Town of Queensbury, County of Warren, by constructing an additional and new administration building of approximately 8)00 square feet adjacent to the existing administrative area of the plant, which is approximately 4,400 square feet, to be connected by an enclosed walkway, and all improvements to include all construction and materials and other appurtenances necessary for a completely operational administration building, and WHEREAS, the proposed action is an unlisted action under the rules and regulations adopted by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, and WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury may act as lead agent for review of potential environmental impacts in accordance with the State Environmental Quality Review Act, NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that after review of the map, plan, and report for the proposed aforesaid additions and improvements to the facilities of the Queensbury Consolidated Water District, and the Environmental Assessment Form prepared in connection with this action for possible environmental impacts and after reviewing, in particular, Section 617.11 of the Rules and Regulations of the Department of Environmental Conservation, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby determines that the environmental effects of the proposed improvement to the Queensbury Consolidated Water District will not be significant, and BE IT FURTHER, RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adopts the annexed Short Environmental Assessment Form and responses thereto, and notice of determination of non-significance and hereby authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor to sign, execute, and place the seal of the Town of Queensbury upon the same, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that copies of this resolution and notice of determination shall be filed with the Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury. Duly adopted this 22nd day of April, 1991, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs. Potenza, Mr. Montesi, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Borgos Noes: None Absent: None RESOLUTION MAKING DETERMINATION RELATED TO PROPOSED INCREASE AND IMPROVEMENT OF QUEENSBURY CONSOLIDATED WATER DISTRICT FACILITIES RESOLUTION NO. 244, 1991, Introduced by Mrs. Marilyn Potenza who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. George Kurosaka: WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury, Warren County, New York, has duly caused to be prepared, a map, plan and estimate of cost for the increase and improvement of the facilities of the Consolidated Water District of the Town of Queensbury, to wit: improvement of the water filtration plant administrative offices located at RD#2, Corinth Road, Town of Queensbury, County of Warren, by construction an additional and new administration building of approximately 8)00 square feet adjacent to the existing administrative area of the plant, which is approximately 4,400 square feet, to be connected by an enclosed walkway, and all improvements to include all construction and materials and other appurtenances necessary for a completely operational administration building, the same also being more fully described in a map, plan and report drafted by O'Brien & Gere Engineers, Inc., working with Rist- Frost Associates, P.C., and on file with the Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury, and WHEREAS, said Town Board duly adopted a resolution on April 4, 1991, calling a public hearing to consider said proposed increase and improvement and estimate of expense, to be held at the Queensbury Activities Center, 531 Bay Road, Queensbury, New York, on the 22 nd day of April, 1991, at 7:00 p.m., and WHEREAS, notice of said public hearing was duly published and posted in the manner provided by law and proof thereof has been submitted to said Town Board, and WHEREAS, said public hearing was duly held at the time and place aforesaid at which all person interested were duly heard, and WHEREAS, said Town Board has duly considered all of the evidence given at such public hearing, and WHEREAS, the said Town Board has reviewed the proposed action under the State Environmental Quality Review Act and has found that the water district improvement will not have a significant environmental impact, NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, by the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury, Warren County, New York, as follows: SECTION 1. Based upon the evidence given at the aforesaid public hearing, it is hereby found and determined to be in the public interest to provide for the aforesaid increase and improvement of the facilities of the Queensbury Consolidated Water District, as described in the preambles hereof, at an estimated cost of $830,000.00 and the same is hereby authorized, subject to the provisions of Section 2 hereof. SECTION 2. Definite plans, specifications, and a careful estimate of the expense of the aforesaid improvement are hereby directed to be prepared by O'Brien & Gere Engineers, Inc., working with Rist- Frost Associates, P.C., and the Town Attorney is hereby directed to assist in the preparation of the proposed contract and to submit the same to this Town Board for examination and approval. SECTION 3. The cost of said definite plans and specifications shall be paid form the Consolidated Water District Capital Projects Fund. SECTION 4. This resolution shall take effect immediately. Duly adopted this 22nd day of April, 1991, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs. Potenza, Mr. Montesi, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Borgos Noes: None Absent: None DISCUSSION HELD COUNCILMAN POTENZA-Noted that as Chairman of the Water Committee there is no doubt that there is a physical need for the expansion of these buildings and that she is delighted to see the Board move as fast as possible. Noted that the service will improve, administrators will enjoy their work in the work area better and she is anxious for it to get moving. COUNCILMAN MONTESI-Questioned the National Church Residences question pertaining to the use of elevators in the Town Ordinance. SUPERVISOR BORGOS-Asked the Town Attorney to explain how the law permits the Supervisor to do a Certificate of Necessity regarding the Recycling Law. ATTORNEY DUSEK-Noted that the Municipal Home Rule Law requires as one of the provisions that the final version of the Local Law be before you seven days before you actually adopt its passage. It does provide, however, an exception which is when the Supervisor certifies as to the necessity of immediate passage without waiting the seven days. If he does this and the Board passes it by 2!3rds vote then the Local Law would pass. In this particular case sense DEe. required that at least informally that this needs to be passed no later than May 1st, 1991 it's important that the Board addressed this issue tonight. RESOLUTION ADOPTING DETERMINATION OF NON-SIGNIFICANCE OF LOCAL LAW MANDATING SOURCE SEPARATION AN SEGREGATION OF RECYCLABLES OR REUSABLE MATERIAL FROM SOLID WASTE RESOLUTION NO. 245, 1991, Introduced by Mr. Ronald Montesi who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mrs. Betty Monahan: WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is considering the action of the adoption of a local law which would require the mandatory source separation and segregation of recyclables or reusable material from the solid waste stream, and WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is duly qualified to act as lead agency with respect to compliance with SEQRA which requires environmental review of certain actions undertaken by local governments, and WHEREAS, the proposed action is an unlisted action pursuant to the Rules and Regulations of the State Environmental Quality Review Act, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Town Board after considering the action proposed herein, reviewing the Environmental Assessment Form, reviewing the criteria contained in Section 617.11, and thoroughly analyzing the said action with respect to potential environmental concerns, determines that the action will not have a significant effect on the environment, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby approves of all information inserted in Parts I and II of the Short Environmental Assessment Form and be it further, RESOLVED, that the Town Supervisor is hereby authorized and directed to complete and execute Part III of the said Environmental Assessment Form and to check the box thereon indicating that the proposed action will not result in any significant adverse impacts, and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that pursuant to Section 617.15, the annexed Negative Declaration is hereby approved and the Town Supervisor is hereby authorized and directed to file the same in accordance with the provisions of the general regulations of the Department of Environmental Conservation. Duly adopted this 22nd day of April, 1991, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs. Potenza, Mr. Montesi, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Borgos Noes: None AbsentNone RESOLUTION TO ENACT LOCAL LAW NO.4, 1991 ENTITLED "A LOCAL LAW PROVIDING FOR MANDATORY COLLECTION, SOURCE SEPARATION, AND SEGREGATION OF RECYCLABLES OR REUSABLE MATERIAL FROM SOLID WASTE" RESOLUTION NO. 246, 1991 Introduced by Mrs. Marilyn Potenza who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. Ronald Montesi: WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is desirous of enacting a Local Law Providing for Mandatory Collection, Source Separation and Segregation of Recyclables or Reusable from Solid Waste, and WHEREAS, a copy of the proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law Providing for Mandatory Collection, Source Separation and Segregation of Recyclables or Reusable Material from Solid Waste," has been presented at this meeting, a copy of said Local Law also having been previously given to the Town Board, and WHEREAS, on April 4, 1991, a public hearing with regard to this Local Law was duly conducted, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury, after giving due consideration to existing source separation, recycling, and other resource recovery activities in the area, the adequacy of markets for separated materials, and the additional effort and expense to be incurred by residents in meeting the separation requests of the proposed aforesaid Local Law, and after weighing the advantages and necessity of recycling, determines and finds that the provisions of the said proposed Local Law are appropriate and note the same provide some flexibility in terms of what solid waste may be required to be recycled, and BE IT FURTHER, RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby enacts the proposed Local Law Providing for Mandatory Collection, source Separation, and Segregation of Recyclables or Reusable Material from Solid Waste, to be known as Local Law No.4, 1991, the same to be titled and contain such provisions as are set forth in a copy of the proposed Local Law presented at this meeting, and BE IT FURTHER, RESOLVED, that the Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury is hereby directed to file the said Local Law with the New York State Secretary of State in accordance with the provisions of the Municipal Home Rule Law and that said Local Law will take effect immediately and as soon as allowable under law. Duly adopted this 22nd day of April, 1991, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs. Potenza, Mr. Montesi, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Borgos Noes: None AbsentNone (Local Law to be found on ) WORKSHOP SESSION Propose Zoning Amendments (tape of file) RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ADDENDUM TO RETORT BID RESOLUTION NO. 247, 1991 Introduced by Mr. Ronald Montesi who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mrs. Marilyn Potenza: WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury has previously authorized the advertisement of bids for a new Retort Chamber for the Pineview Crematorium, and WHEREAS, certain questions have been raised concerning the requirement that the successful bidder install the unit, and WHEREAS, the said Town Board after reviewing the matter with the Town Attorney has decided to delete the installation requirement of the bidding documents, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby authorizes the Town Attorney to draft an addendum to the bidding documents which addendum shall indicate that installation is not a requirement and is not an obligation of the successful bidder, however, it will be an obligation of the successful bidder to provide for delivery of the retort unit at which time the Town will take possession of the unit by removing it from the vehicle upon which it is delivered and it will also be a requirement of the successful bidder to provide for the initial startup and instructions with regard to the operation of the retort unit. Duly adopted this 22nd day of April, 1991, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs. Potenza, Mr. Montesi, Ms. Monahan, Mr. Borgos Noes: None AbsentNone RESOLUTION CALLING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION RESOLUTION NO. 248, 1991 Introduced by Mrs. Marilyn Potenza who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. Ronald Montesi: RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby moves into Executive Session to discuss professional services, potential litigation, personal, and Duly adopted this 22nd day of April, 1991, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs. Potenza, Mr. Montesi, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Borgos, Noes: None AbsentNone No further action taken. On motion the meeting was adjourned. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, DARLEEN M. DOUGHER TOWN CLERK TOWN OF QUEENSBURY