1993-09-27
REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING
SEPTEMBER 27,1993
7:00 P.M.
MTG#69
RES#538-560
BH 33-35
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT
Supervisor Michel Brandt
Councilman Pliney Tucker
Councilman Nick Caimano
Councilman Susan Goetz
Councilman Betty Monahan
TOWN ATTORNEY
Paul Dusek
TOWN OFFICIALS
Jim Martin, Dave Hatin
PRESS
Post Star
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN TUCKER
PRESENTATION MAKE A WISH FOUNDATION
Dyzie Marcinkevicius-Representing Make A Wish Foundation. Thanked the Town Board for the
sponsorship of the balloon and for giving the ride to Bill Bell one of the Make A Wish children.
Supervisor Brandt-Thanked Mrs. Marcinkevicius for identifying someone who could make use of it.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
MOBILE HOME - DOUGLAS E. COONS
OPENED 7:03 P.M.
NOTICE SHOWN
Joan Coons-I'm Douglas Coons mother, he had to work tonight.
Supervisor Brandt -Sit right down make yourself at home. I'm not familiar at all it's on Moon Hill Road.
Mrs. Coons-The property is existing on Moon Hill Road. As I said, there was a trailer there about three,
four years ago. There hasn't been anything there since then. He has the plans and has hopefully ordered a
new double-wide mobile home. I did bring the plans if anyone wanted to see them.
Supervisor Brandt-Are there any questions from the Board? Is there anyone from the public that came to
speak on this application?
Councilman Goetz-Dave are you familiar with the project?
Mr. Hatin-We were just discussing it he might be able to clarify this. We we're under the understanding is
was a replacement of an existing mobile home. When he came into the office he told us it was replacement
of an existing....
Mrs. Coons-Maybe you misunderstood him because the home hasn't been....
Mr Hatin-That's what we both understood.
Mrs. Coons-Jim lives around the corner.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-I thought it was a case that it was gone several months.
Mrs. Coons-It's been about three years.
Mr. Hatin-I remember we asked that question twice. They said, yes it is replacing an existing. They didn't
say four years it was less than eighteen months because that's what we questioned.
Mr. Coons-I think we checked that in the Town records and found that it was more than eighteen months.
Supervisor Brandt-What does that do to us legally?
Attorney Dusek-There are a couple of concerns I have. First of all, this was advertised as a replacement of
an existing mobile home and that arguably could have an impact on the notifications and why people would
react or not react to what they see in the paper.
Mrs. Coons-But, isn't it also anyone that lives in the vicinity you have to live within a certain footage of
where the house is going to be and have a legal reason why you would be against it?
Attorney Dusek-Is there one of those with the five hundred foot notices? I know it was advertised in the
paper, I don't know if they sent out five hundred foot notices or not.
Mrs. Coons-Because anyone that would have a question would of been well aware.
Deputy Town Clerk O'Brien-No.
Attorney Dusek-They didn't send out five hundred foot notifications because it's not required for that
section of the Ordinance. The other concern I have is your Zoning Ordinance usually nonconforming uses
if that's what in this area after eighteen months they would lapse meaning they have no longer any rights to
have anything in that place. It's possible, of course, to get variances from the Zoning Board, but that causes
me concern as to whether or not that issue needs to be addressed.
Mrs. Coons-What causes us concern is that the house is ordered. It is a hardship because where he is
residing now he's residing at a residence of his mother-in-law that has only electric heat and he has just
finished paying off last year's electric bill and with the children this here would be a double-wide and a
definite approval. The people that would be concerned like Todd Engwer that lives across the street he is
all for it, he has been over helping.
Councilman Monahan-Joan how big is this lot?
Mr. Coons-It's about 2 1/2.
Attorney Dusek-Are there other mobile homes in the area?
Mr. Coons-Yes. The next lot there is one just a plain old mobile home.
Mrs. Coons-Across the street down near the Walkup Road there is another.
Mr. Coons-There are about five or six in the area right there.
Councilman Monahan-You have the one that Red Rocco was in. You've got the one where the gentlemen
just died there he was in, not just, but Joan Williams father.
Mrs. Coons-Yes, Harold Rathbun.
Councilman Monahan-Yes.
Councilman Tucker-Is that mostly family right in the area where Doug wants to put this?
Mrs. Coons-Mostly family we're the only family that lives here in this area. We have children out of Town,
of course, and out of State.
Councilman Tucker-I thought he told me there was mostly family where he wanted to put the trailer.
Mrs. Coon-Yeah, us.
Attorney Dusek-I think you have the ability to consider whether or not to grant a permit under this part of
the Ordinance. But, the problem you have is that I don't think your going to still get by the Zoning
Ordinance with it, you've got to go in front of the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Mrs. Coons-You mean because the trailer has been gone more than eighteen months? Is there anyway of
giving us some kind of a go ahead so he lay the slab and what have you
Mr. Coons-Before frost?
Attorney Dusek-How soon does the Zoning Board meet?
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-The third week in October.
Mrs. Coons-Like I said, he is desperate to get a place to live.
Attorney Dusek-Under the circumstances an idea may be to ask the Chairman if he would consider a
special Zoning Board Meeting. I don't think it's in your best interest not to follow the rules.
Mrs. Coons-That's fine with us.
Attorney Dusek-If the Town could accommodate you in terms of trying to hold a Special Meeting and have
it considered. I don't think it would be a good idea to go ahead and do something and then if you didn't get
the permit it would even be worse you know.
Mrs. Coons-You may have a point.
Supervisor Brandt-What you are saying is that under law we cannot...
Attorney Dusek-Under the law there are two things that have to happen. They need a permit from this
Board and they also need a Zoning variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Supervisor Brandt-We could pass that permit based on what we see and they still would have to go to the
Zoning Board of Appeals to finish the process?
Attorney Dusek-Yes. The only reason I hesitate a little bit is I'm a little concerned about the notice that
went out for this meeting indicating that it was to replace an existing mobile home.
Supervisor Brandt-We could put out another notice and hold a another hearing fairly quickly, how fast
could that be done?
Attorney Dusek-Ten days, so your really looking at two weeks which would put you to the October 10th
date.
Supervisor Brandt-Can we reschedule that. I would make a motion to do that. To reschedule a public
hearing with the proper legal notice.
Attorney Dusek-In the meantime they could also try to get before the Zoning Board of Appeals. You
would have both wrapped up hopefully by that date.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-I can call Ted Tumer for you tomorrow morning he is the Chairman.
Councilman Goetz-He is out of Town isn't he?
Supervisor Brandt-As soon as possible.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-I can call the Vice Chairman then.
Supervisor Brandt-I think it's the best we can do, I'm sorry.
Councilman Monahan-Wait a minute. What about this section here on the pages 113-12, the pages 113-11,
which says the Town Board may grant a temporary permit for a term of three months for the parking or
placing of a mobile home outside of a mobile home court?
Attorney Dusek-That you can do, but the only concern I have there is I don't know if that's going to solve
their problems.
Supervisor Brandt-If three months came and went and they didn't get their total approvals they could be
stuck with a house that they have to sell.
Councilman Monahan-I realize that. I also understand what the weather is doing right out there now, too
and maybe that's a chance they want to take, I don't know.
Mrs. Coons-I think they are willing to take any chance right now.
Supervisor Brandt-I don't have a problem committing myself, but you can't commit the Zoning Board of
Appeals.
Attorney Dusek-That's what I'm concerned.
Supervisor Brandt-That isn't fair to imply that we could.
Councilman Monahan-I'm not. I'mjust saying that maybe this is a chance that they want to take that's what
I'm getting at.
Mrs. Coons-I think he is willing to do any chance Betty.
Attorney Dusek-It's up to the Board.
Supervisor Brandt-As far as I'm concerned, I would like to reset the pubic hearing and go through our
process or give them the temporary, I don't mind that. I have no problem with this application whatsoever
will work with them in any way to make it work however, I don't want to lead them into a trap either. I
think without a Zoning Board of Appeals approval from the way that it sounds to me is you reading the law
we wouldn't be doing them a service. It's possible they did not get that final approval and would have to
lose everything they've invested in.
Mrs. Coons-Why would the existing mobile homes that are on the road all the others that are in that area
why would the Zoning Board of Appeals refuse that one offer?
Supervisor Brandt-I don't know that.
Mrs. Coons-Or that one application?
Supervisor Brandt-We can only hope that they would do it, but I think this Board has no problem with it
isn't that right? I think there was a mistake made and we're searching for a way to help you.
Mr. Philo-Excuse me Mr. Brandt, I'm on the Zoning Board if you as a Town Board can put in your
recommendation as SEQRA does to us at times if its favorable in your behalf, I think it would help them.
Supervisor Brandt-Do you want to make a resolution recommending to the Zoning Board of Appeals that
they look at this favorable? I'll offer it as a resolution.
Councilman Tucker-Do you want to take issue a temporary permit, too?
Supervisor Brandt-I'd be willing to do that, but I hesitate because if they assume that it means they are
going to get the approval and they don't it could cost them thousands and thousands of dollars. I don't think
that's the right way to do it. I think the right way is to reset the public hearing and tell by our vote, the
Zoning Board of Appeals how we look at this. I think to offer both those resolutions and offer them one at
a time.
PUBLIC HEARING TO BE RESCHEDULED
The following resolution were passed.
RESOLUTION DOUGLAS E. COONS MOBILE HOME
RESOLUTION NO. 538, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
To reschedule a public hearing for this matter with the proper legal notice for October 12th, 1993.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
RESOLUTION TO ZONING BOARD REGARDING DOUGLAS COON MOBILE HOME
RESOLUTION NO. 539,93
INTRODUCED BY: Mrs. Betty Monahan
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
Where the applicant in question did have a mobile home on this piece of property which belongs to his
parents several years ago. Due to circumstances it was necessary for him to sell the mobile home at the
spot where it was placed, it has been vacant for more than eighteen months. But, what is going back in
there is a much newer home, 1994 home that will meet all the new codes. His parents are the owners of the
lot, have the adjoining house they have no problem with it. It is an area in which there are other mobile
homes so far there has been no neighborhood objections. We would ask the Zoning Board to look
favorably upon this application.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
DISCUSSION SIGN ORDINANCE
OPENED 7:20 P.M.
NOTICE SHOWN
Supervisor Brandt-I'm going to declare the public hearing opened is there anyone here that would like to
speak to us about the proposed amendment to the Sign Ordinance?
John Salvador-Resident in North Queensbury. When this subject came up a few months ago, I
communicated with Jim Martin. I made available to him the Lake George Park Commission Sign
Ordinance. I just don't know if this is the time to get this whole thing sorted out. We are under a very very
severe Sign Ordinance with the Lake George Park Commission not one that I disagree with, but it's kind of
a double standard they aren't very active in enforcing their Sign Ordinance. I just don't think we should be
under two guns, one is enough. I really think it's the Towns responsibility and a zoning matter and maybe
the Town should get itself out of that Lake George Park Commission Sign Ordinance. That's Ordinance
has been in affect since 1963, 1963. We had the unfortunate circumstance in 1976 or 1977 to be hauled
into Queensbury Town Court we had sixteen violations to that Sign Ordinance. I don't know how your
propose changes dovetail over there?
Supervisor Brandt-This is really a change to our Ordinance and really a public hearing on those propose
changes. The other Ordinance is really a separate matter and if we wanted to try to take and steer a
different course than that we would have to do a separate law, right?
Attorney Dusek-Right.
Councilman Monahan-Mike, I think, too this is just attacking one small section of our Sign Ordinance. If
we work on the other sections we can also look at the Lake George Park Commission Sign Ordinance and
see if we can do some dovetailing between the two. All this one here is referring to is the temporary signs
and when we look at the others, I think....
Supervisor Brandt-I have no problem with what your suggesting, but there is a year and a half of work
already on these changes.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-It really is just temporary signs.
Mr. Salvador-Your changing your Ordinance what obligation do you have to go before the Park
Commission and get their concurrence?
Attorney Dusek-On our Sign Ordinance, none.
Mr. Salvador-Better check. What did their Sign Ordinance say?
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-I don't know if they have dealt with temporary signs. I didn't look at it
because we were dealing with temporary signs for this change.
Mr. Salvador-Maybe we should put it in the pot with all their other problems you have with the Park
Commission.
Councilman Goetz-Jim for the next meeting could we have copies of that?
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Yes.
Mr. Salvador-By the way you should appreciate that the Lake George Park Commission Sign Ordinance
exempts incorporated Villages, which Lake George Village is one. That's why they have what they have up
there and everybody outside of the Village and in the Town conforms to the Park Commission Ordinance.
Supervisor Brandt-Is there anyone else that would like to speak on the propose change to the Sign
Ordinance?
Mary Lee Gosline-I really don't want to speak, but can you explain what you are changing?
Councilman Goetz-It's the section on the temporary signs. Jim do you want to just give a thumb nail
sketch?
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-What we tried to do with these is sort offrame in a little better as to what
temporary signs are, what types are allowed, sizes and so on. For example types of temporary signs will
now be limited to temporary wall signs, double-sided free-standing signs, off-premise temporary signs with
property owner approval. The size is limited to, for wall signs thirty-two square feet for free-standing signs
sixteen square feet. The main change is we're limiting the number of temporary sign permits allowed in a
year a total of sixty days or five temporary signs permit per applicant for a maximum of sixty days per
calendar year. Right now the Ordinance you can just simply renew it month, to month, to month. The fee
schedule has been adjusted in the Ordinance to more accurately reflect these changes in the permit system.
In other words a fee of ten dollars per twelve calendar day period shall be paid upon the issuance of a
permit for such sign, and a cash deposit of fifty dollars shall be deposited with the Director of Building and
Codes to insure removal. So those are really the main changes in the Ordinance.
Supervisor Brandt-Anyone else?
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED 7:25 P.M.
It was noted that no action could be taken on this until the County Planning Board reviewed this.
Councilman Monahan-Questioned the wording in Section 5.
Attorney Dusek to look into this and correct the wording.
Councilman Monahan-Questioned the Town Board if they were in agreement that if you are already in the
hopper and put your application in you should be paying under the old sign fee?
Town Board-In agreement.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Noted that it was the intent of the committee.
Councilman Tucker-Questioned that under the law a political candidate pays thirty-five dollars for the
permit with a hundred dollar deposit, how does the new law effect that?
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Noted if you were under the new law the permit is for twelve day calendar
increments, example if you wanted a sign for thirty-six days it would be thirty dollars. Noted the
Committee was trying to give some flexibility into the system given the fact that the overall riding desire
was to limit the amount of time a temporary sign could be up in a calendar year.
RESOLUTION ENTERING BOARD OF HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO. 540, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns from Regular Session and
moves into the Queensbury Board of Health.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
PUBLIC HEARING SANITARY SEW AGE DISPOSAL VARIANCE JOSEPH W. & MARY CAROLYN
SHAY
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED 7:30 P.M.
NOTICE SHOWN
Mr. Dave Hatin-I don't have the paperwork right in front of me, but I believe you have a septic variance for
Joseph and Mary Shay. That is basically to place a mound system within two hundred feet of Lake George.
They have received variances from the Zoning Board of Appeals, I believe site plan review, although I'm
not sure of that to build a new home on this parcel and with that a new septic system is being installed to
replace the older one which is much closer to the lake. This will be a new state of the art system, but it
does not meet the two hundred foot requirement the property is not deep enough.
Councilman Monahan-Under our Ordinance we should only grant the minimum variance we possibly can.
They do have a lot of land, I don't how much I didn't have a scale to measure it out, back further than this.
We have to have a good reason why that's being placed there rather than further back.
Mr. Hatin-Mr. Shay can probably explain that better. I've walked the property, but he can probably explain
it better.
Joseph Shay-I have my wife Carolyn with me. Just quickly, I want to say this has been a long and winding
road we've been over a year in this process. We've been summer residents on the lake for a little over thirty
years. Now, I'm trying to build a retirement home, I'm retired and we thought we had all our variance from
the Zoning Board of Appeals in late April. But, then through a procedural error we had to wait Warren
County wouldn't rule on it in May and waited till June so we had to wait and then the Adirondack Park
Authority wanted to look at it, too. Finally in mid-June we got all our approvals and it was then that we
could go to the architect and say go for construction drawings. Until then we did the drawings four times
for the Zoning Board and I didn't want to do them a hundred percent four times so we did them fifteen
percent four times. Then in June, I said lets not do anything until we have all the approvals. In June we
felt we had all the approvals and so then it took two months till the middle of August to get the drawings
ready to bid. In the process it has come out which I don't think we were aware of back in April that there
was a difference between the Town of Queensbury who has jurisdiction for the setback for the AP A as I
understand it. They were measuring at a hundred what they found that the AP A standard was two hundred
so we kind of got caught in the middle of this if we had got it through in April it probably would of never
come up. Now all the drawings and everything are done and the setback back the AP A was approved and
by the Town.
Councilman Monahan-Are we talking about setback of building or setback.....
Mr. Shay-The setback of the building was the AP A and the setback as well for the Zoning Board of
Appeals. When we got into the bidding process Jim Hutchins pointed out to me this discrepancy. It had
been discovered, I don't know maybe by Dave in June or July. So, he said we got to now in filing for your
building permits all of which I have with Dave going through the process now we got to go for a variance
to meet the AP A variance standard of two hundred feet verses one hundred feet.
Mr. Hatin-Actually the Lake George Park Commission standard not the AP A.
Councilman Goetz-Are there two variances here?
Mr. Hatin-I have two variances going for the same thing. I believe this is for the tank and the system itself
because the tank is less than a hundred and the next one is just for the system itself.
Jim Hutchins-Engineer. Your direct question about why it wasn't put further back. That area back there and
it would be the westerly portion of the lot beyond the garage it's extremely wet with surface water and
might possibly be a wetland, I don't know I'm not a wetland expert. But, I consider that to be less favorable
than the site that I picked. That's why it's here where we have a hundred and fifty foot setback granted back
there we could be a two hundred foot setback for the lake, but we would be in the....of surface water.
Supervisor Brandt-How are the soils in the area?
Mr. Hutchins-Fair.
Supervisor Brandt-Describe those to us will you.
Mr. Hutchins-The percolation rate was about thirty minutes there. Silty, clay type material, but it's
probably as good as your going to find in the area, but I could only say fair.
Mr. Philo-How far is the rock ledge down below it?
Mr. Hutchins-It's more than four feet. There are areas of exposed ledge throughout the lot, but not where
we selected.
Mr. Shay-Jim, am I correct in that you found kind of a natural pocket there?
Mr. Hutchins-I dug a test hole there and....
Mr. Shay-So we don't have to go into a retaining wall or a bunker which we would have to do out behind
the garage plus face this extreme wet condition in raining and spring weather.
Supervisor Brandt-What kind of distance do you actually have?
Mr. Hutchins-We have a hundred and fifty approximately where the Park Commission requires two
hundred.
Supervisor Brandt-Okay.
Mr. Hutchins-Excuse me. We have fifty feet and the Park Commission requires a hundred, correct?
Although your Ordinance is fifty, I believe.
Mr. Hatin-Yes.
Councilman Monahan-But, not on Lake George.
Mr. Hutchins-All we're asking for is variance from Park Commission standards we're not asking for
variance from Queensbury standards.
Councilman Monahan-That's in our standards, too as far as new construction on the lake.
Mr. Hatin-Not for the tank.
Councilman Monahan-Not for the tank, I knew the other one was.
Mr. Shay-Betty, keep in mind that the current system is like twenty feet from the lake. I'm going to have
one of the finest systems on Lake George it's going to be well protected than any system in the whole
peninsula.
Councilman Monahan-I realize it's going to be an improvement. But, we have to give our reasons why it is
a minimum relief that we can give you. The septic tank, I'm assuming all that system is going to be
completely water tight so nothing is going to come out of that going back there. I do want to point out
where you've got Mr. and Mrs. Shay here there is one part of the forms they didn't sign.
Mr. Hatin- Y our right.
Councilman Monahan-While they are here it would save them some headaches if you had them sign it now.
Supervisor Brandt-Is there anyone else here to speak on this application?
Mr. Philo-As a Zoning Board we went up to look at it. He said there was one wet area there. I think it's
feasible that they go as far back as they can with it because there is a rock ledge in there, I went up and
looked myself and it's only down three to four feet. They do have a pocket if he puts it about where he said
it might solve the problem. (Tape inaudible)
Supervisor Brandt-Is there anyone else that would like to speak on this application?
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED 7:40 P.M.
DISCUSSION HELD
Councilman Monahan-Noted the resolution should say water saving fixtures.
RESOLUTION APPROVING A SANITARY SEW AGE DISPOSAL VARIANCE
FOR JOSEPH W. & MARY CAROLYN SHAY
RESOLUTION NO.: 33, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mrs. Betty Monahan
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHEREAS, Joseph W. & Mary Carolyn Shay previously filed a request for variances from
certain provisions of the Town of Queensbury On-Site Sewage Disposal Ordinance, such provisions being
more specifically those requiring that there be a 200 foot separation between Lake George and the
absorption fields, and a 100 foot separation between Lake George and the septic tank, and
WHEREAS, a notice of public hearing was given in the official newspaper of the Town of
Queensbury and a public hearing was held in connection with the variance requests on September 27, 1993,
and
WHEREAS, the Town Clerk advises that property owners within 500 feet of the subject property
have been duly notified,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED,
a) that due to the nature of the variances and the fact that water saving fixtures will be used,
it is felt that the variations will not be materially detrimental to the purposes and objectives of this
Ordinance or to other adjoining properties or otherwise conflict with the purpose and objectives of any plan
or policy of the Town of Queensbury;
b) that the Local Board of Health finds that the granting of the variances is necessary for the
reasonable use of
the land and that the variances are granted as the minimum variances which would
alleviate the specific unnecessary hardship found by the Local Board of Health to affect the applicant; and
c) that the Local Board of Health imposes a condition upon the applicants and the use of
water saving fixtures as noted on drawing #92-054 last revised 9/1/93 presented at this meeting that they
must also secure the approval of the New York State Department of Health, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town of Queensbury Local Board of Health grants the variances to Joseph
W. & Mary Carolyn Shay, allowing the placement of the absorption field 150' from the Lake George
shoreline, rather than placing it at the mandated 200' distance, and allowing the placement of the septic tank
50' from the Lake George Shoreline, rather than placing it at the mandated 100' distance, on property
situated on Assembly Point, Lake George, Town of Queensbury, New York, and bearing Tax Map No.:
Section 6, Block 3, Lot 26.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
PUBLIC HEARING SANITARY SEW AGE DISPOSAL VARIANCE LAWRENCE M. & LOIS V.
STONE
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED 7:40 P.M.
NOTICE SHOWN
Supervisor Brandt-We have another sewer variance to consider.
Mr. Hatin-Mr. Hutchins is here to represent the next one for Lawrence and Lois Stone. Basically it's the
same situation as before although the septic tank does meet the hundred foot setback and the system, I think
is about a hundred sixty-hundred sixty five feet back.
Mr. Hutchins-Approximately a hundred and sixty foot setback for the system. The septic tank meets the
Park Commission as well as Queensbury requirements. We are asking simply for a relief from the two
hundred foot setback of the Park Commission Regulations. It's a standard absorption bed type system.
Supervisor Brandt-What kind of soils have you've got here?
Mr. Hutchins-Quite good. The basic problem with the whole lot is there is shallow bedrock in most of it.
The one spot that we found again, I went down three or four feet and found good sands with a three minute
perc rate.
Supervisor Brandt-Is there anyone that wants to speak on this application?
Unknown-I'm the general contractor up there Mike. It's a beautiful spot fortunately we only went one forty
Mr. Hutchins-One sixty.
Unknown-It's good absorption all the way through there.
Supervisor Brandt-For the record your Mr. Ruggles?
Mr. Ruggles-Beg your pardon?
Supervisor Brandt-For the record you are Mr. Ruggles.
Mr. Ruggles-Yeah, Mr. Ruggles.
Supervisor Brandt-Thank you very much. Anyone else that would like to speak on this application?
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED 7:45 P.M.
DISCUSSION HELD
Councilman Monahan-Questioned how close will they be to the neighbors well?
Mr. Hutchins-A hundred and thirty feet.
Councilman Monahan-Recommended putting in resolution the 1.5 gallons flush toilets and 3. gallon a
minute faucets and showerheads.
RESOLUTION APPROVING A SANITARY SEW AGE DISPOSAL VARIANCE
FOR LAWRENCE M. & LOIS V. STONE
RESOLUTION NO.: 34, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mrs. Betty Monahan
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHEREAS, Lawrence M. & Lois V. Stone previously filed a request for a variance from a certain
provision of the Town of Queensbury On-Site Sewage Disposal Ordinance, such provision being more
specifically that requiring that there be a 200 foot separation between Lake George and the absorption
fields, and
WHEREAS, a notice of public hearing was given in the official newspaper of the Town of
Queensbury and a public hearing was held in connection with the variance requests on September 27, 1993,
and
WHEREAS, the Town Clerk advises that property owners within 500 feet of the subject property
have been duly notified,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED,
a) that due to the nature of the variance and the fact 1.5 gallon flush toilets and 3. gallons a
minute faucets and showerheads will be used, it is felt that the variation will not be materially detrimental
to the purposes and objectives of this Ordinance or to other adjoining properties or otherwise conflict with
the purpose and objectives of any plan or policy of the Town of Queensbury;
b) that the Local Board of Health finds that the granting of the variance is necessary for the
reasonable use of
the land and that the variance is granted as the minimum variance which would alleviate
the specific unnecessary hardship found by the Local Board of Health to affect the applicant; and
c) that the Local Board of Health imposes a condition upon the applicants and the use of 1.5
gallon flush toilets and 3. gallons a minute faucets and showerheads as noted on drawing #93-052 last
revised on 9/13/93 presented at this meeting that they must also secure the approval of the New York State
Department of Health, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town of Queensbury Local Board of Health grants the variance to
Lawrence M. & Lois V. Stone, allowing the placement of the absorption field 160' from the Lake George
shoreline, rather than placing it at the mandated 200' distance, on property situated on Bean Road, Kattskill
Bay, Town of Queensbury, New York, and bearing Tax Map No.: Section 151, Block 1, Lot 1.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING BOARD OF HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO. 35, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Board of Health hereby adjourns from Session and moves back into the
Town Board of the Town of Queensbury.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mr, Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
RESOLUTIONS
RESOLUTION APPROVING MINUTES
RESOLUTION NO. 541,93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mrs. Susan Goetz
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby approves the minutes of August 9th,
and 30th, 1993 and September 8th, and 13th, 1993.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
Abstain:Mr. Caimano (August 30th, Sept. 8th) Mrs. Monahan (Sept. 8th)
RESOLUTION APPROVING CHRISTOPHER C. BROWN AS ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR
RESOLUTION NO.: 542, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury previously adopted Local Law No.4, 87
entitled, the "Electrical Law of the Town of Queensbury," and further amended the same at the time the
Code of the Town of Queensbury was adopted (Chapter 80 - Electrical Standards), and
WHEREAS, Chapter 80 of the Code of the Town of Queensbury sets forth certain criteria for
businesses and/or individuals to perform electrical inspections in the Town of Queensbury, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury has determined that Mr. Christopher e.
Brown meets the criteria to perform electrical inspections for the Town of Queensbury,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that Mr. Christopher e. Brown is hereby authorized to make electrical inspections
within the Town of Queensbury, subject to compliance with the standards set forth in Chapter 80 of the
Code of the Town of Queensbury.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
At a Meeting of the Town Board of the
Town of Queensbury, held at the Queensbury Activities Center, 531 Bay Road, Queens-bury, New York,
on the 27th day of September, 1993.
RESOLUTION NO. 543, 93
PRESENT: Supervisor Brandt, Councilman Tucker, Councilman Caimano, Councilman Goetz,
Councilman Monahan
ABSENT: None
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury has heretofore formed and constructed
the Central Queensbury Quaker Road Sewer District; and
WHEREAS, the expense of constructing sewage facilities within said Central Queensbury Quaker
Road Sewer District, is to be borne by local assessment upon the several lots and parcels of land within said
area is a Town Function in the manner provided by Section 202 of the Town Law; and
WHEREAS, the annual estimate of expense of the improvement and Benefit Assessment Roll for
the Central Queensbury Quaker Road Sewer District in the Town of Queensbury, Warren County, New
York, pursuant to Section 202 of the Town Law, has been duly prepared; and
WHEREAS, the expense of said sewer district area is to be assessed in proportion to the amount
of benefits derived from the improvement area pursuant to Section 202 of the Town Law of the State of
New York; and
WHEREAS, the assessment roll for the said sewer improvement area has been prepared and
describes each lot or parcel of land contained within the said sewer improvement area and shows the names
of the reputed owner or owners thereof and the aggregate amount of assessment to be levied upon each
such lot or parcel of land; and
WHEREAS, the aforesaid estimates and assessment roll, copies of which are annexed hereto, were
heretofore filed with the Town Clerk of the Town of Queensbury, County of Warren, New York;
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED, RESOLVED, and DETERMINED, that a public hearing,
pursuant to the provisions of the Town Law of the State of New York, shall be held at the Queensbury
Activities Center, 531 Bay Road, Queensbury, Warren County, New York, on the 12th day of October,
1993 at 7:00 p.m., to hear all persons interested in relation to the aforesaid estimates and assessment roll
and to hear and consider any objections to the aforesaid assessment roll and to take such other action on the
part of the Town Board as may be required by law or proper in the premises.
The foregoing resolution was offered by Councilperson Mrs. Susan Goetz and seconded by
Councilperson Mr. Pliney Tucker and adopted by the following vote:
A YES: Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
DATED: September 27th, 1993
DISCUSSION HELD BEFORE VOTE
Councilman Tucker-Questioned if there was a time constraint with the County and if the Board will meet
it?
Attorney Dusek-Yes. They have to have it in time to be included in the January taxes. Noted as long as
they proceed ahead of the other budget they will be set.
Councilman Monahan-Requested to have a roll on file before the public hearing for residents to look at.
Attorney Dusek-Noted the roll in on file in the Town Clerk's Office.
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT WITH BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD
RESOLUTION NO.: 544, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mrs. Susan Goetz
WHEREAS, the Town's health insurance carrier, Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield, has offered a
computer matched worker's compensation liability identification program to the Town of Queensbury and a
copy of the proposal set forth in a letter-form agreement has been presented at this meeting,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby approves the agreement
and hereby further authorizes the Town Supervisor to execute the same on behalf of the Town of
Queensbury indicating the desire to participate in the worker's compensation matching program, and further
authorizes the Town Supervisor to take all steps and actions that may be necessary to carry out the terms
and provisions of this program, including the execution of any further forms that may be necessary in the
future.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
RESOLUTION APPROVING AGREEMENT CONCERNING USE OF FACILITIES
BY ADIRONDACK CHAPTER, AMERICAN RED CROSS
RESOLUTION NO.: 545, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
WHEREAS, there has been presented at this meeting, a proposed agreement for the use of the
Queensbury Senior Citizens Center in the event that it is needed for disaster relief activities by the Red
Cross,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town of Queensbury hereby approves the agreement and further authorizes
the Town Supervisor to complete and fill in any blanks that exist in the agreement and also complete the
information on the facility and the mass facility survey and execute the agreement and take such other and
further steps as may be necessary to implement the terms and provisions of this agreement, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that this agreement shall be maintained on file with the Town Clerk's Office.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
RESOLUTION RESCINDING NEGATIVE DECLARATION REGARDING
CONVERSE MOBILE HOME PARK
RESOLUTION NO.: 546, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury previously reviewed an application
made by Mr. Barry Converse for the Converse Mobile Home Park on April Lane, Queensbury, and
WHEREAS, as part of the review, the Town of Queensbury also conducted an environmental
review using an environmental assessment form, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury, after conducting an environmental
review, and after the comments that were received at the public hearing, determined to issue a negative
declaration, and
WHEREAS, since the time of the adoption of the negative declaration, the Town Board of the
Town of Queensbury was informed that a number of citizens were not notified of the public hearing as is
provided for under and pursuant to Chapter 113 of the Code of the Town of Queensbury and has provided
further notice and has held a further public hearing at which the Town Board received a number of
comments regarding concerns about traffic, as well as other concerns about the area,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury, based on the information received
at the public hearing, hereby rescinds its previously issued negative declaration and hereby further directs
that the Executive Director, 1) notify the applicant that the negative declaration has been rescinded, and 2)
further advise the applicant that if he wishes to proceed with review of the project, that a meeting should be
held with the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury and discussion should be had concerning
information necessary to complete the SEQRA review, which information shall include, among other
things, information concerning traffic impacts.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
DISCUSSION HELD BEFORE VOTE:
Supervisor Brandt-Paul do you want to explain that quick?
Attorney Dusek-I drafted this as I understood that the Board wanted to take further action to stay the
proceedings the occurred last week on this application. What, I picked up from what the Board was saying
is that you felt uncomfortable with the traffic problem raised by the other people. It seemed to me that this
is primarily a SEQRA issue and that if there was a problem with traffic you would want it addressed as part
of the SEQRA process. What you are doing is saying, your rescinding the negative declaration and starting
the process over and the applicant should be notified of that.
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SETTLEMENT OF PENDING ARTICLE 7
TAX ASSESSMENT REVIEW CASE IN THE MATTER OF THE APPLICATION OF
HOWARD CARR, AS RECEIVER OF THE QUEENSBURY FACTORY OUTLET CENTER
RESOLUTION NO.: 547, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Nick Caimano
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
WHEREAS, a certain Article 7 Real Property Tax Assessment Review Case has been commenced
against the Town of Queensbury, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury has reviewed the tax assessment review
case with the legal counsel for the Town of Queensbury, such counsel and the Town Assessor having made
a recommendation to the Town Board,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the following case be settled with respect to the tax rolls for the years 1991 and
1993, as indicated and as follows:
Year Tax Map No.: New Assessment: Address:
1991 103-1-1.2 $3,150,000.00 Queensbury Factory Outlet
Routes 9 and 254
Queensbury, New York
1993 103-1-1.2 $3,750,000.00 Queensbury Factory Outlet
Routes 9 and 254
Queensbury, New York
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
RESOLUTION AMENDING RES. 503, 93 CONCERNING
AGREEMENT BETWEEN MR. ED HOLOHAN AND THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY
RESOLUTION NO.: 548,93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Nick Caimano
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury previously adopted resolution no. 503,
93 to authorize an expenditure of funds to pay for the services of Mr. Ed Holohan, said expenditure to be
paid from the "general contingency account," and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury desires to amend said resolution such
that the expenditure should be paid from "Account No.: 5-3410-4400, Fire Fund, Misc. Contractual,"
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby amends resolution no. 503,
93, to read as set forth hereinabove.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TOWN OF QUEENSBURY TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS
FOR MUNICIPAL PARK PROJECT GRANT FUNDING UNDER THE LAND & WATER
CONSERVATION FUND (FEDERAL) AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY BOND
ACT OF 1986 (STATE)
RESOLUTION NO.: 549, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
WHEREAS, the State of New York has made available funds (state and federal) for a matching
grant program to undertake recreational facility expansion, renovation, and/or acquisition, and
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury Departments of Community Development and Parks &
Recreation will jointly prepare an application for said funds in accordance with the provisions set forth in
the 1994 Municipal Park Project Grants Application Guidelines, and
WHEREAS, the Warren County Department of Planning and Community Development will aid
Queensbury in the preparation of a second application for said funds in accordance with the provisions set
forth in the 1994 Municipal Park Project Grants Application Guidelines, and
WHEREAS, said applications require certain certifications and assurances be submitted as part of
the application process,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town Supervisor of the Town of Queensbury, Michel R. Brandt, is hereby
authorized and directed to submit applications on behalf of the Town of Queensbury, to the fullest extent of
funding allowed and determined by the 1994 Municipal Park Project Grants Application Guidelines, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that any and all such documents pertaining to said application shall be in a form to
be approved by the Town Attorney.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
RESOLUTION ADOPTING DETERMINATION OF NON-SIGNIFICANCE
OF ROAD DEDICATION OF F ARR LANE
RESOLUTION NO.: 550, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mrs. Susan Goetz
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is considering the acceptance ofFarr
Lane, offered for dedication by NCR of Queensbury Housing Development Fund Company, Inc., and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is duly qualified to act as lead agency
with respect to compliance with SEQRA which required environmental review of certain actions
undertaken by local governments, and
WHEREAS, the proposed action is an unlisted action pursuant to the Rules and Regulations of the
State Environmental Quality Review Act,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury, after considering the action
proposed herein, reviewing the Environmental Assessment Form, reviewing the criteria contained in
Section 617.11, and thoroughly analyzing the project with respect to potential environmental concerns,
determines that the action will not have a significant effect on the environment, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby finds that the proposed
responses inserted in Part II of the said Environmental Assessment Form are satisfactory and approved, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Supervisor is hereby authorized and directed to complete and execute
Part III of the said Environmental Assessment Form and to check the box thereon indicating that the
proposed action will not result in any significant adverse impacts, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the annexed Negative Declaration is hereby approved and the Town Clerk is
hereby authorized and directed to file the same in accordance with the provisions of the general regulations
of the Department of Environmental Conservation.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
DISCUSSION HELD BEFORE VOTE
Short Environmental Assessment Form
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Does action exceed any Type I threshold in 6 NYCRRR, Part 617.12?
Town Board-No.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Will action receive coordinated review as provided for unlisted actions in 6
NYCRR, Part 617.6?
Supervisor Brandt-I don't know those laws so you tell me.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-I don't think so.
Attorney Dusek-Your not coordinated the review on this I can tell you that.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-C. Could action result in any adverse effects associated with the following.
C1. Existing air quality, surface or groundwater or quality, noise levels, existing traffic patterns, solid
waste production or disposal potential for erosion, drainage or flooding problems?
Town Board-No.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-C2. Aesthetic, agricultural, archeological, historic, or other natural or
cultural resources or community or neighbor character?
Town Board-No.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-C3. Vegetation or fauna, fish, shellfish or wildlife species, significant
habitats or threatened or endangered species?
Town Board-No.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-C4. A community's existing plans or goals as officially adopted, or a
change in use or intensity of uses of land or other natural resources?
Town Board-No.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-C5. Growth, subsequent development, or related activities likely to be
induced by the proposed action?
Town Board-No.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-C6. Long term, short term, cumulative, or other affects not identified in
CI-C5?
Town Board-No.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-C7. Other impacts including changes in use of either quantity or type of
energy?
Supervisor Brandt-Nothing of significance.
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-D. Is there, or is there likely to be controversy related to potential adverse
environmental impacts?
Town Board-No.
Attorney Dusek-Could I just ask for one thing. On your resolution there is also the standard negative
declaration form and it says reasons for this determination. If you can just put in there the Board has
reviewed the SEQRA form and has found no environmental impacts as per the discussion that has occurred
at this meeting.
Supervisor Brandt-Yes, that's fine.
RESOLUTION ACCEPTING DEDICATION OF F ARR LANE
RESOLUTION NO. 551,93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mrs. Susan Goetz
WHEREAS, NCR of Queensbury Housing Development Fund Company, Inc. has offered a deed
to dedicate to the Town of Queensbury Farr Lane, which is more particularly described in the survey map
presented at this meeting and the original deed being presented to this meeting, and
WHEREAS, Paul H. Naylor, Superintendent of Highways of the Town of Queensbury has advised
that he has reviewed inspection reports concerning the construction of and specifications of the said road
proposed to be dedicated to the Town of Queensbury and he has raised no objection to acceptance of the
same, and
WHEREAS, Thomas K. Flaherty, Superintendent of Water of the Town of Queensbury, has
advised that he has made an inspection of water mains and appurtenances along said road proposed for
dedication and finds that the installation is in accordance with the requirements of the Town of Queensbury
Water Department, and that said installation is approved, and
WHEREAS, the form of the deed and title to the road offered for dedication have been reviewed
and approved by Paul B. Dusek, Town Attorney for the Town of Queensbury, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury has considered the environmental
effects of the proposed action by previous resolution and issued a Negative Declaration pursuant to the
State Environmental Quality Review Act,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the aforementioned deed for dedication of the said road be and the same is
hereby accepted and approved, that the Town Supervisor is hereby authorized to execute, sign and affix the
Town seal to any and all documents necessary to complete the transaction, and that the Town Clerk is
hereby authorized and directed to cause said deed to be recorded in the Warren County Clerk's Office, after
which said deed shall be properly filed and maintained in the Office of the Town Clerk of the Town of
Queensbury, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the road accepted for dedication be hereby added to the official inventory of
Town Highways, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the road accepted for dedication by this resolution and the road that currently
exists which is known as Farr Lane be described as follows:
Road Number: 495
Description: Beginning at Aviation Road going in a northerly direction to a cui de sac.
Name: Farr Lane
Feet: 1,460
and any records of the Town, County, or State should be amended accordingly and the Town Clerk is
authorized to take action to amend or seek amendment of any records necessary, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the description and records setting forth the description of Manor Drive, the
road connected to Farr Lane, be amended to conform to what exists by way of current signage, as follows:
Road Number: 304
Description: Beginning at Aviation Road, going in a northwesterly direction ending at Farr
Lane.
Name: Manor Drive
Feet: 1,854
and any records of the Town, County, or State should be amended accordingly and the Town Clerk is
authorized to take action to amend or seek amendment of any records necessary.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
A YES: Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Brandt
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
DISCUSSION HELD
Supervisor Brandt-Spoke to the Board regarding the landfill. Noted the landfill is scheduled to close under
an order by DEC on October 7th, 1993. Has written a letter to DEC asking for an extension to April 1st, or
whatever they will give us, hasn't received a answer as of yet. Has called DEC many times hasn't received
an answer. Noted residents can call their State representatives regarding the closure of the landfill. Trying
to bring as much information together as possible so the Board can make a reasonable guess as to what
should be done. This is going to be a major problem for a lot of communities in the County.
Attorney Dusek-Explained that the Federal Regulations were originally scheduled to kick in as of October
9th. It was thought if they were going to come into effect the Town of Queensbury did not want to
continue pass that date. Everything that we have heard is that it's going to be extended. Not only do you
have the Federal Regulation that you have to plan with, DEC has their own regulations which they went
through and modified to meet the Federal Regulations. Then the question became the Federal Regulations
are lifted are the DEC reg's going to be lifted? Are they going to grant variances? As of last week they
didn't know the answer to that whether they were going to wave the regulations and hold with the fed's or
whether they were going to make you come in for a variance. Other issues involved are concerning the
Grant Program. The Town of Queensbury has 1.2 million or so under the Grant Program there is a change
of getting another $800,000 eventually if the money is there. Part of the conditions in staying qualified for
the grant is a closure by December 31st. There is an enormous number of details like this that a simple
Declaratory Judgement going into the court really isn't going to answer all of these questions. The
approach has been to try and work with the department. Thinks there has been some positive moves out of
the Department especially the Raybrook Office, but understands awaiting to hear from Albany.
Recommended to continue working on the matter over the course of the next week.
Mr. Salvador-Noted his concern that Queensbury seems to be the fall guy regarding the landfill.
Questioned where Warren County is in all of this?
Attorney Dusek-Noted they did give a resolution of support and sent it to Albany.
Mr. Philo-Commended the Town Board for looking for alternatives regarding the landfill.
Supervisor Brandt-Noted if enough things come together and they have been trying to bring everything
together, has priced C&D cheap enough so that it would attracted from out of Town. It is being attracted
and it is filling part the void that has to be filled and bringing money that is needed. If the State funds
according to what they say they are going to fund we should have enough money to close the landfill.
Stated the figure they have committed is one million two hundred fifty thousand, are eligible for another
seventy hundred and fifty thousand dollars. If we can get this plus the C&D until the end of the year we
have it made. We will bring water out there, we'll close it, seal it, and be finished with it. Noted no one has
an answer as to what you will do with the garbage you can't bring to the burn plant. Stated there are no
good answers and are going to have to look at it and come to an answer.
ATTORNEY MATTERS
Attorney Dusek-Spoke to the Board regarding the O'Brien and Gere Contract. Noted the Board had
approved it last week, but indicated if there was a change to come back to the Board. Has gotten
assurances from O'Brien and Gere that this wouldn't interfere with their time frames as long as it's signed
tomorrow. (Went over contract with Town Board) The following resolution was passed.
RESOLUTION ACCEPTING AMENDMENTS TO AGREEMENT
RESOLUTION NO. 552, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
Attorney Dusek-The first change appears in the addendum that I handed out to you on Number 2, I'lljust
summarize that for you. Originally the addendum which is the document I drafted on your behalf said that
there were options that were called for under contract to be explored. Options concerning chlorine scrubber
and highlift pumps. I said in the addendum that whatever the Town does in terms of those options whether
you go with them or not go with them or select anyone of them that O'Brien and Gere did include in their
main contract the price for the Map, Plan and Report, Design and Construction the cost for those options, in
other words we weren't going to pay one penny more. O'Brien and Gere said to me when they got this they
said, no that's not the case. What is the understanding is this. That, yes there were options put forth in the
contract, but that the first option which was the chlorine scrubber was an option, but the Town Board had
already selected that option and the chlorine scrubber was not going to be used and there was going to be
the alternative method of chlorinating up there to eliminate that. This would be the way they did their Map,
Plan, and Report and that is in the price. In everything they gave you that's already incorporated in that
way so they are not under any impression that they should be doing two different studies on that option,
that was one issue. The second issue was on the highlift pumps. There they said, on the highlift pumps,
yes that is an option and is something that's open for the Town Board and yes, in the Map, Plan, and Report
we will look at both options concerning the highlift pumps, and yes the price that we gave for the Map,
Plan, and Report, includes the $27,000 includes the discussion of the highlift pumps. However, if you
decide to go with that second option on the highlift pumps the design and construction phase prices will
have to be increased. They said that their letters gave you estimates as far as what the increase will be.
They said they wanted me to change this provision obviously to reflect that which I did. After talking to
Nick, I ran it by Sue as well to get some preliminary feedback and Tom Flaherty to see if this was the case.
Actually, I guess Nick called Tom while I was there and that's how we got Tom's input, but....
Councilman Caimano-I called Ralph VanDusen, but that's all right.
Attorney Dusek-The question I have for you if this meets with your understanding that's the way it would
go, that's one change. The second change which is very minor on page two, where it talks about in clause
three the submission of documentation and payment of bills. We just added, they were bothered because it
said just appropriate documents and they wanted a reference back to their earlier Article 3, saying what the
documents would be because they are getting paid on a percentage basis for the work completed. Brien
Gidlow was named as the Engineer. The Town Board had the right to approve that. I just wanted you to
know that's the name if you have any objections to their choice of the contact person.
Councilman Monahan-Did you check that with Tom?
Attorney Dusek-I did not check that name with Tom, no. Tom Flaherty, of course, was designated by
yourself as the contact person for the Town.
Councilman Monahan-It seems to me he should know the engineers he's going to work with at O'Brien and
Gere, too.
Attorney Dusek-We would definitely be giving Tom a copy of this contract so he's aware of that unless you
wanted him to approve the engineer himself.
Councilman Caimano-He probably knows the capabilities of the engineers of that firm better than any of
us.
Attorney Dusek-Nineteen was the other change that was made that appears, Page 6. There, I had made
reference to a Schedule B of wage rates that would be used in the event that you had to pay for extras.
They wanted to make sure it was understood that whenever the extras occur if it's this year or next year it
would be based against the wage rate schedule that was then in effect. The last thing attached is the time
schedule. They agree to set the start date at 9-24-93 and then go through which 9-24, of course is last
week, but they indicated they would stand by that. There is their outline of when they propose to have their
work done for you.
Councilman Monahan-To get back to that engineer. I don't think it matters too much Paul, because the
other sentence says, prior to any work commenced under this agreement the Town Board of the Town of
Queensbury shall by written letter indicate whether the selected engineer is approved so I don't think that is
a problem then.
Attorney Dusek-Those are the changes to the agreement if they meet with your approval.
Councilman Goetz-Could I just bring up something. In reviewing these letters they we've got from O'Brien
and Gere. Something came up at the last Town Board meeting regarding if we needed to purchase extra
land for the tank. I don't remember exactly what the question was. Was it whether we were going to pay
for the survey the Town would pay? In this letter it reference survey property description for purchase of
land of tank site $400.00. That question was never answered for us.
Supervisor Brandt-I would assume the Town pays for the surveying and they review the documents that
was my understanding.
Councilman Goetz-So it's two separate fees?
Supervisor Brandt -Yes. One somebody is doing the surveying the other one someone is checking that
structurally it will fit there and it's the right height and that sort of thing. I'll tell you something I have no
problem with any of this and I'd like to move it except that I'd like to make Ralph VanDusen our contact
and not Tom Flaherty. I'm quite offended with what I read in Sundays paper. I'm quite offended in the
way things were presented. First of all, I saw a beautiful picture of an engineering office and we don't have
an engineer working for the Town. Someone represented that the engineer's office was overcrowded and
the engineer has a hard time working there we don't have one that's interesting. Secondly, I don't like the
idea that we had a recommendation made by the Administration of the Water Department to build a set of
offices when we're sitting there with a chlorine gas system that if it breaks and ruptures we got to evacuate
50,000 people from the area. For $300,000 you could of cleaned that system up instead of building a
million dollar office, but we built the offices. I'm offended to now have somebody try to blame us for the
building of that building. I think it was a bad mistake and I don't want to give him that job so I'm going to
ask that you substitute Mr. VanDusen in for Mr. Flaherty.
Councilman Tucker-Did you make a motion?
Supervisor Brandt-I'll make it a motion.
Councilman Tucker-I'll second it.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Brandt
Noes: Mr. Caimano, Mrs. Monahan
Absent:None
RESOLUTION APPROVING AGREEMENT ENGINEERING SERVICES BETWEEN TOWN OF
QUEENSBURY AND O'BRIEN & GERE ENGINEERS, INC. IN CONNECTION WITH WATER
TREATMENT PLANT EXPANSION
RESOLUTION NO. 553, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Nick Caimano
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
Councilman Caimano-I'll move it with the change in the contract.
Supervisor Brandt-I'll second it.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
RESOLUTION REGARDING SERVICE AWARD PROGRAM
RESOLUTION NO. 554, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Nick Caimano
Attorney Dusek-What I'm handing out to the Board now is primarily for informational purposes. You
authorized this last week, but this is a copy of the proposition that will appear on the ballot concerning the
Firemans Service Award Program. It basically summarizes what your resolution has it put it into a form
of a question. If you recall you authorized myself working with the Town Clerk to draft it, forwarded it to
the Board of Election which was in fact done today.
Councilman Tucker-That will get us on the ballot?
Attorney Dusek-Right.
Supervisor Brandt-For budgetary purposes, I'm going to put the $60,000 into my budget so that it will be
included in the budget.
Councilman Caimano-Are we going to move this?
Attorney Dusek-It wouldn't be a bad idea just to have a resolution on the record approving it.
Councilman Tucker-I'll move it.
Councilman Caimano-I'll second it.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1997, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
DISCUSSION HELD
Councilman Goetz-Spoke to the Board regarding a phone call received from Wilson Mathias who is
representing Kingsbury residents involved in a proposed Asphalt Plant in Kingsbury, proposed by Mr.
Galusha, noted Mr. Mathias represents one Queensbury resident Mr. Scheidegger. Stated they are
proposing to make three hundred tons an hour of asphalt. Raw materials would be moving over Rt. 149,
Ridge Road, and Hicks Road. Questioned if the Town Board was interested in taking part in any part of the
review that is to come before the Kingsbury Planning Board as to the impact on Queensbury residents
regarding traffic? After further discussion the following resolution was passed.
RESOLUTION CONCERNING ASPHALT PLANT
RESOLUTION NO. 555, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Nick Caimano
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mrs. Susan Goetz
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury has been advised that an application has been
made or will be made to the Town of Kingsbury Planning Board for the construction or location and
operation of an Asphalt Plant in the Town of Kingsbury, but also in the Warren Washington County
Industrial Park, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury is concerned about potential impacts to Town
residences as well as to businesses located in the Warren Washington County Industrial Park, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury although recognizing that it does not have to
issue a permit for the project is desirous of being an interested party in the application at review process,
NOW THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby indicates its desire to be an interested
party in the review process before the Planning Board concerning the Asphalt Plant to be located in the
Town of Kingsbury as well as before any other boards in the Town of Kingsbury or Washington County
that may be necessary or the County that may also have to review the project and hereby,
IT IS FURTHER
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby appoints Mr. Martin as the person
who should act as a liaison between the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury and the Town of
Kingsbury Officials or Washington County Officials conducting the review and express the Town Boards
concern and also Mr. Martin shall notify and stay in communication with the Town Board in the event that
any further action or resolutions need to be adopted by the Board.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
DISCUSSION HELD
Councilman Tucker-Spoke to the Board regarding a resolution from the Planning Board regarding no
parking signage from the intersection of Western and Luzerne to the intersection of Luzerne and Holden on
the north side of Luzerne Road. Asked the Board to pass a resolution regarding this matter.
Attorney Dusek-Attorney Dusek to look into this matter and bring it back to the Board.
DISCUSSION HELD
SIDEWALKS AMES PLAZA
Presented Site Plan To Board
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Spoke to the Board regarding sidewalks Ames Plaza. Noted he has been
contacted by DOT and the agent from Wal-Mart. There is a question from DOT concerning sidewalks
across the front of Ames Plaza. Not necessarily sure if it's sidewalks or handicap curb cuts along the edge
of the right-a-way to allow for people to walk in front ofWal-Mart. Noted Wal-Mart will put in the
sidewalks and DOT would like to see them pending an agreement by the local municipality to accept
maintenance and responsibility. Spoke with Paul Naylor, noting Mr. Naylor doesn't think it's a good idea
due to the cost of maintenance. Asked the Town Board what they wanted to do? Noted that the Planning
Board has allowed for a pedestrian access through the right-a-way for Greenway Drive and also a sidewalk
connecting the apartment to the rear of the store.
It was the Town Boards decision to have the property owner be responsible for the sidewalks. Mr. Martin
to contact representatives from Wal-Mart and report back to the Board.
COUNTY REVIEW OF PLANNING APPLICATIONS
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Spoke to the Board regarding a agreement with the County Planning Board
on ways to remove items from their agenda from month to month. Has met with Pat Tatich from the
County and has received a memo regarding changes to be made. Noted the follow outline approach to a
review by the County. I. Residential Uses. Projects which are one for one replacement of a residential
structure or within a ten percent increase to allow for placement of decks, porches, etc. However, if a
project of this nature includes a dock the entire project will be referred to the County Planning Board. The
Board will review projects of this nature which should occur within twenty feet of the right-a-way of the
County or State road. Residential Uses. Multi-family projects of less than ten units which do not have a
direct access on a County State highway and do not involve a critical environmental area or statutory
wetland. II. The County desires to continue the review of all use variances. III. The County continues to
desire review of all commercial and industrial use and area variances. IV. Site Plan Reviews. The County
desires to review projects which include the construction or conversion of buildings uses greater than five
thousand square feet with off-street parking for more than twenty vehicles. Additionally the County will
review projects for site plan which occur within twenty feet of the County or State road. V. The County
desires to continue to review all zoning ordinances, amendments, rezoning of land including planned unit
developments. Mr. Martin to review matter with the Zoning Board, and Planning Board. To meet with
Attorney Dusek to try to arrange an agreement.
DISCUSSION HELD
Supervisor Brandt-Questioned the status on the Seeley's rezoning?
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Noted it has gone to both the County and Town Planning Boards. Warren
County Planning Board disapproved it as it was proposed, but did say they thought it would be more
appropriate to go to a commercial residential or neighborhood commercial designation. The Town
Planning Board reflected that of a commercial residential use. Has reviewed the stated purposes for those
zones and found that those looked to be more appropriate rather than highway commercial. Town Board in
agreement that it should be CR -15. Mr. Martin to notify the County Planning Board regarding this matter.
Attorney Dusek to draft resolution for next regular meeting.
OPEN FORUM
John Schreiner-DunlIams Bay. Questioned the Town Board if Dunham's Bay Road has been taken
completely by the Town?
Attorney Dusek-Yes.
Mr. Schreiner-Questioned the final result of the road?
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-Noted he was in contact with Warren County and Warren County could not
address this due to time constraints.
Mr. Salvador-Noted he has received a driveway permit from Paul Naylor.
Attorney Dusek-To contact Leon Steve regarding map for the road.
Mr. Schreiner-Questioned if the map would say one-way or two?
Attorney Dusek-Noted the map only identifies the area of the road. The status of one-way or two-way
would be up to the Paul Naylor, Highway Superintendent and the Town Board.
Mr. Salvador-Questioned the status of the sign that he ask for a week ago?
Supervisor Brandt-Noted a resolution could be drafted regarding the sign for the road.
Mr. Schreiner-Requested when a decision was made on the road could the three parties concerned be
notified as to what can take place on the road as to parking, etc.
Attorney Dusek-Noted that whatever is done on the road to restrict parking, one-way etc., you would know
by the posting of signs.
Mr. Schreiner-Questioned when all decisions for the road have been made can DunlIams Bay Road
Company conduct business on the road?
Attorney Dusek-Noted anyone can use the road for any lawful purpose of the Town. It depends on what
they are doing at the time and whether it violated the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
Unknown-Spoke to the Board regarding his concern for the closure of the landfill on October 7th. Noted
he would be willing to contact Senator King and Senator Stafford regarding this matter.
Barbara Bennett -Questioned if Luzerne Road and Sherman Road were in the Town?
Supervisor Brandt-Noted it was the City.
Mary Lee Gosline-Urged the Board to try to get the property owner to take of the responsibility and
maintenance of the sidewalks for Ames Plaza.
Mr. Philo-Noted that in the City it is the property owners responsibility to maintain the sidewalks.
Mr. Salvador-Questioned Mr. Martin's subject with the Warren County Planning Board the term statutory
wetlands, questioned whose statue?
Executive Director, Mr. Martin-DEC, and Adirondack Park.
Michelle Burch and Connie Hodgkins-We were here two weeks ago for the public hearing on the Planned
Hudson Pointe Development. As we sat here we became concerned about the size of this project,
environment need and the impact on the community. It promoted us to get up a petition opposing the
rezoning of this land in favor of a smaller standard subdivision. We felt that a lot of people weren't
informed and those that were, were more than willing to sign. We feel that the Board represents us and that
you should vote in favor of our future and our environment and community. We would like to have this
petition filed with the Report on the Environmental Impact Study.
Supervisor Brandt -Sure. You want to give it directly to the Clerk. How many signatures have you got?
Ms. Burch-To date we have forty two. We would like to pound the payment until October 15th?
Mary Lee Gosline-What does your petition say?
Ms. Burch-It says, we the following concerned residents of Queensbury oppose the rezoning of Hudson
Pointe for the proposed Planned Unit Development. We feel a smaller standard subdivision is more
suitable for this area.
Councilman Caimano- They have until the fifteenth?
Ms. Burch-Thank you.
Supervisor Brandt-Anyone else?
Tim Brewer-Candleberry Drive-First of all, I'd like to thank the Board for the extension on the comment
period for the EIS. I wasn't here and wasn't able to attend the meeting. The other thing was Mike, you and
I had a conversation about the road issue. I was going to bring that up that night and I wanted to know if
there was anymore discussion or what the chances are that something could happen? I think you said you
talked to Paul about it.
Supervisor Brandt-We did talk. This is a road issue of tieing in Sherman Island Road to the new road, the
proposed road.
Mr. Brewer-No, the existing road rather than closing it.
Supervisor Brandt-There is an existing road that would then tie into a propose road.
Mr. Brewer-To go to Corinth Road, right.
Supervisor Brandt-To go out to Corinth Road. Paul you told me it was more complex. It's really the
existing it's a little U road off of Sherman Island on McDonalds Subdivision. If it were done in a certain
way it could be tied into the new entrance.
Councilman Caimano-Point of order here Mr. Chairman. I do this only so we don't get in trouble later on.
I want to make sure that we can do this without the applicant being here that's all?
Mr. Brewer-You said in your minutes and I read minutes, Nick. You said every Monday night until
October 15th, the public hearing would be left opened for public comment. If they are not here that's their
problem.
Councilman Caimano-Ijust want to make sure that we....
Attorney Dusek-Now that you mentioned it, I'll just tell you this. I did have a conversation with Mike
O'Connor today and he asked me if there would be anything on tonight there were questions that the Board
had raised. I said, I wasn't ready to discuss those issues in terms of the issues that were raised at the last
meeting. He was lead to believe by myself that I certainly wouldn't be addressing the project tonight.
Councilman Caimano-I'm not denying Tim's right to say anytlIing he wants on any Monday night. My
question is should we be having a back and forth discussion that's all.
Mr. Brewer-It has nothing to do with him Nick. It's a Town road how the hell does that have anything to
do with him.
Councilman Caimano- That's all I'm asking.
Supervisor Brandt-Nick all I've done is ask the Attorney about the question that's all.
Councilman Caimano-As long as we're happy with it I'm happy with it.
Supervisor Brandt-And the Attorney told me its a more complex question than the way I viewed it or
presented it to him and that's where it stopped. That's as far as our discussion went and I assume that
discussion will be coming up again. One of the questions that concern me in this whole discussion of
Hudson Pointe is that the two ladies that came up ahead of you said they like to see this property developed
as an ordinary subdivision. If you do that than all of the traffic will have to do on Sherman Island Road.
Your going to create an enormous problem, I think.
Mr. Brewer-That's just my point Mike. Even if you did a standard subdivision can that road handle it? I've
got to believe the answer is going to be no. It's not even twenty foot wide there is a ninety degree tum at
the end of the road. When you come out to the Corinth Road, Pliney knows he's been up there and you've
been up there if you want to go left you can't see a car coming. What's more important Mike safety, I mean
something has got to be done whether they do it or the Town does it something has to be done that's the
bottom line.
Supervisor Brandt-There is a possibility the safest thing to do is make some kind of a cross over and go
through a different road which is proposed.
Mr. Brewer-The road is there. They want to come off the Corinth Road where it is a straight line. What's
the harm in leaving that road open and let everybody have a safe access to Corinth Road not just their
development. I don't care if they develop down there that's fine, I don't care. I just think the safety has to
prevail in this thing.
Supervisor Brandt-I can see your point you talked to me about it. I think it's a point that has to be
considered and I think it needs to be looked at.
Mr. Brewer-Let's just say they never came in for a subdivision or PUD, something has to be done there the
kids have to stand on the corner there. I don't want my daughter getting hit by a school bus coming around
that corner, or anybody else's daughter, or son or anybody.
Councilman Goetz-So this is an issue separate from Hudson Pointe?
Mr. Brewer-It has to tie into it Sue because they are proposing a road out on the Corinth Road. What they
are doing is denying the people that live there now the right come out there in a safe exit because they want
to close a Town road. I don't think they should be allowed to and I feel very strongly about that. I think the
Town Board should think about it. I mean it has to do with the safety of the citizens of the Town of
Queensbury plain and simple. Why should you cut a road off that's there now that the taxpayers pay taxes
to have maintained and your going to close it and shut us offfrom going out on the safe exit, I think it's
wrong that's my feeling. If you think I'm wrong that's fine you have your right to that opinion.
Councilman Goetz-I think we should know whether or not we can entertain question about Hudson Pointe
up until the October 15th.
Mr. Brewer-It says clearly in the minutes that it is allowed.
Councilman Caimano-We made it very plain that every Monday night...
Mr. Brewer-I read the minutes very carefully.
Councilman Caimano-I think it was that there would be comments that's not my concern. My concern is a
back and forth argument regarding it.
Mr. Brewer-I'm not trying to argue Nick.
Councilman Caimano-Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait. I'm not saying your trying to argue. I'm saying that
I don't think we have the right not at this stage of the game to enter into a back and forth discussion with the
applicant here. If I was going to do that I would start saying, well gee didn't they change the road because
you asked them to in the first place and then we get into the big brew ha ha, I don't want to do that. I don't
think we're allowed to do that, I don't think it's proper to do that especially after you have told the applicant
that your not going to discuss it.
Councilman Monahan-Nick, I don't see this as a discussion. I see people making comment, wait a minute
with our not commenting on their comments, therefore the applicant gets a written record....
Councilman Caimano- That's perfectly fine with me he can talk all night long about.
Councilman Caimano-I don't think we should be commenting really on what people are saying...
Councilman Caimano- That's my point.
Councilman Monahan-I agree with you on that.
Councilman Caimano- That's my point.
Councilman Monahan-It becomes the part of the comment period record.
Councilman Caimano-I totally agree with you.
Supervisor Brandt-I don't follow all of this.
Councilman Goetz-We can listen, but we can't talk.
Supervisor Brandt-Why can't we talk my god, what's wrong with a dialogue? What on earth is freedom of
speech about?
Councilman Monahan-You can ask questions, but we can't really take positions without the applicant here
is what Nick is saying.
Supervisor Brandt-We're not taking positions we're discussing.
Mr. Brewer-Let me rephrase it. I don't know how I can rephrase it. I'm just asking a simple question....
Councilman Monahan-Your asking something really that's separate from Hudson Pointe. Your asking a
question about the safety of that road.
Mr. Brewer-It has to do with it because they are proposing something. I think the Town should take in
light of what they are proposing a solution to a problem.
Councilman Monahan-That suggestion can go to them. I don't think we can really work on that without
them here.
Mr. Brewer-Your the ones that have to make the final decision Betty so it has to be asked of you.
Councilman Monahan-That's right, I agree with that.
Supervisor Brandt-Take Hudson Pointe out of this
Mr. Brewer-Exactly.
Supervisor Brandt -Your saying that there is a bad road situation. But, to change that we would have to
acquire private property and change the road and that's not easy to do. You have to have a willing buyer,
willing seller, or else you have to do through a taking, you have to design we're not very well set up to do
that.
Mr. Brewer-Either that or just ignore the problem. This started back in 89, Mike. I asked the previous
Board to possibly do something about it and I might as well just spit in the wind because it never happened.
Supervisor Brandt -One thing we are doing is looking at roads and traffic problems and we're starting to do
that more with our Planning Department and we can certainly bring this into play. We need to do more of
it there is no question of it. As our Town builds up and our densities build up traffic is becoming a bigger
and bigger problem. My god, look at the people going across Exit 19 or under Exit 18, I mean there is
tremendous traffic congestion there from what we're used to. We've got to solve those things and they are
not going to solve themselves. That means we have to give it a priority and your right. That should be
given consideration as well as any other road they should be factored in.
Mr. Brewer-That's right. If you don't do something your still going to out on the Corinth Road by Sherman
Island Road. Your going to have cars from whatever how many houses they build coming right by you and
that is going to be an impact. I counted the houses between Sherman Island Road and the Northway on that
side of the street how many would you guess there are all the way down to the river?
Supervisor Brandt-How many?
Mr. Brewer-Guess. A hundred and seventy seven in a two mile area. They are putting a hundred sixty
three in two hundred acres, think about it.
Supervisor Brandt -Your roads feeding in though feed in a lot of, you know VanDusen....
Mr. Brewer-I just counted one side of the street Mike. It's going to double the density on that side of the
street so it's going to have an impact. If you got to wait for that many cars or whatever to go by there is
going to be a problem. I just think there is a solution there and the Town should consider it.
Supervisor Brandt-Okay.
Councilman Goetz-Paul you mentioned the Board had some questions about Hudson Pointe when would
you have those answers? Wasn't one of them about the Warren County Planning Board, I had that down to
ask you?
Attorney Dusek-I hope to have everything digested and hopefully everything completed by next Monday.
APPROVAL OF AUDIT OF BILLS
RESOLUTION NO. 556, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mrs. Susan Goetz
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby approves the Abstract appearing on
September 27th, 1993 and numbering 93350301 through 93374100 and totaling $370,331.49 is hereby
approved, and
BE IT FURTHER
RESOLVED, that Vendor Number 1402, Tabner, Laudato and Ryan was pulled for further approval by the
Town Board.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
Abstain: Mrs. Goetz Vendor #000275, Mr. Caimano, vendor #000127
RESOLUTION ENTERING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION NO. 557,93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Nick Caimano
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns from Regular Session and
moves into Executive Session to discuss the following. One matter collective bargaining contract -labor
matter, one matter leading to hiring an outside expert, and one matter in current litigation.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION 558, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Nick Caimano
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns from Executive Session
and moves back into Regular Session.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
RESOLUTION RETENTION OF SERVICES BRUCE CAZA
RESOLUTION NO. 559,93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Nick Caimano
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mrs. Susan Goetz
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby authorizes the retention of the
services of Mr. Bruce Caza to perform appraisal services of an easement area for Hovey Pond, and
BE IT FURTHER
RESOLVED, that the cost of services shall not exceed $300.00 and shall be paid for from the appropriate
Recreational Department Account.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Tucker, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
RESOLUTION PAYMENT OF VENDOR
RESOLUTION NO. 560, 93
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Michel Brandt
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Pliney Tucker
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby authorizes the payment of Vendor
# 1402 outside of Audit and hereby authorizes the bill to be paid.
Duly adopted this 27th day of September, 1993, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Goetz, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Tucker, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent:None
No further action taken.
On motion, the meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully Submitted,
Darleen M. Dougher
Town Clerk
Town of Queensbury