2000-08-29
(Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 8/29/00)
QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
SPECIAL MEETING
AUGUST 29, 2000
7:00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT
CRAIG MAC EWAN, CHAIRMAN
CATHERINE LA BOMBARD, SECRETARY
ROBERT VOLLARO
ANTHONY METIVIER
CHRIS HUNSINGER
JOHN STROUGH
LARRY RINGER
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR-CHRIS ROUND
SENIOR PLANNER-MARILYN RYBA
PLANNER-LAURA MOORE
TOWN COUNSEL-MILLER, MANNIX & PRATT-MARK SCHACHNER
STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI
PUBLIC HEARING ON THE GREAT ESCAPE DGEIS
MR. MAC EWAN-On behalf of the Town’s Planning Board, thank you, everyone, for attending
tonight. We’ve got an excellent crowd here. This is your opportunity to speak regarding the Great
Escape’s Environmental Impact Statement. Before we begin, we’re going to allow the applicant to
make a brief 10 minute presentation, and before we do that, Chris wants a couple of words with you
on how we’re going to format things tonight, then we’ll get right into it. Chris?
MR. ROUND-Can everybody hear the Chairman okay? My name’s Chris Round. I’m the Director
of Community Development for the Town of Queensbury. We have Mark Schachner as Town
Counsel, and Stu Messinger is from Chazen Companies, the consultant hired to review the EIS for
the Town. Tonight’s meeting is to receive public comment. It is not a dialogue. It’s not a question
and answer period between the applicant and the public. It’s your opportunity to provide comment
on the Environmental Impact Statement. The Impact Statement was accepted as complete at the
beginning of the month. Public notices were filed, as required in the Environmental Notice Bulletin.
Legal notices were placed in the Post Star. You’ve seen advertisements in our local media. The
applicant will, we will keep a written record of all public comments received tonight. You can also
provide written comments. They will weigh equally, as well as oral comments. Those comments will
be summarized and will be included in the proposed FEIS, the Final Environmental Impact
Statement. The applicant will prepare responses to those comments. The Town Planning Board, as
Lead Agency, will make judgements about those responses, and will either ask for revisions, provide
our judgement. It’s the Town’s Environmental Impact Statement. So it has to be to the Town’s
satisfaction, in this case the Planning Board. I don’t know if there’s anything else. The close of
public comment is September 12. I believe that’s a Tuesday. You can receive written comments
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right up until the end of business, 4:30 on that day, and I think I will turn it back over to the
Planning Board Chairman.
MR. MAC EWAN-Okay.
MR. ROUND-I did forget one item. There is no smoking in the auditorium. There are emergency
exits at the rear and the front of the auditorium, and if you have any other questions about the
process right now, we’d answer those questions about the process, and then we’ll let the applicant
make his presentation.
MR. MAC EWAN-Okay. Thank you, Chris. Our procedure tonight, we’re going to let the applicant
make a 10 minute presentation. Then we’re going to open up the floor, and calling individuals who
wish to address the Planning Board, that we did on a first come, first serve basis. We’ll call you by
number. We’ll ask you to please use this podium over here. We’ll also ask you to please speak clearly
and directly, because we’re recording it in two different forms, and if you have written presentation
that you want to make part of your presentation, we ask you to leave it with Staff before you leave
here tonight. With that, we’ll get underway.
JOHN COLLINS
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MR. COLLINS-Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good evening, everybody, Planning Board members,
interested members of the community, my name’s John Collins. I’m the Vice President and General
Manager here at The Great Escape, and I’m going to talk to you a little bit about our project, and
then our Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement. As you, the Planning Board, requested,
I’ll try to keep this short, but I also want to go through as much as I can, so that people understand
what went into the project, as well as what went into the EIS. What The Great Escape is proposing
is the expansion of visitor support facilities, including a pedestrian bridge over Route 9, new parking
lots, with an integrated ring road, a 200 room hotel, just north of our existing Coach House
Restaurant, which the restaurant will remain. We’re proposing to replace our existing septic systems
with a new, state of the art, tertiary, wastewater treatment plant. Now we’re doing this, even in spite
of the fact that we’ve spent over a quarter million dollars the past several years in upgrading those
systems, including a brand new wastewater septic system, if you will, at the Coach House Restaurant,
which was just completed this year. We’re also going to upgrade the electrical systems within the
Park, so that we will have the electrical capacity, so the Park can grow, and then we’re going to set
some guidelines, hopefully guidelines that we can all agree to, where we can add and change
attractions, so the Park can grow. Attractions are the life blood of a theme park. We’re in an
entertainment venue that always is striving to add something new for its guests. People don’t go to
watch the same movie over and over. You do have your hard core movie watcher that might watch
the same movie over and over again. The same with theme park goers, but you need to have
something new, and that’s what we’re trying to do with our Generic Impact Statement, is set
thresholds where we can get ride approvals and attraction approvals, and address the major impacts
ahead of time. The overall purpose of the project is obviously to grow attendance at the Park, while
reducing or mitigating any environmental impacts, whether they be from present levels or from
anticipated levels. I’m going to show a quick slide here of the pedestrian bridge. This is actually the
bike bridge that goes across Quaker Road. It’s a very standard type of bridge. This is located, or will
be located, we will locate a pedestrian bridge, and/or underpass, we’re still looking at the engineering
of both, at our southernmost crosswalk. You’re going to find that a pedestrian bridge or underpass
will do more to alleviate traffic than the ring road that we’re proposing. The next picture we’re going
to show is the proposed ring road and parking lot layout. There’s colored photos of this out in the
lobby area. If you didn’t get a chance to see it, this has got a little more detail, but I’ve got a laser
pointer here. This is Martha’s, right there. This is the Samoset, over there, and we’re proposing to
keep the Coach House, to keep Martha’s, to add the hotel approximately right there, and then create
a parking lot with a ring road, so that we can get people off the roads, and thus alleviate traffic
congestion. The purpose of our Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement is both the
Planning Board and The Great Escape realize that our ultimate goal is not simply to build parking
lots and other support facilities, but to grow our business, and thus the number of visitors to the
Park. That is why we have reviewed the cumulative and indirect impacts that our growth has on the
environment. We have taken the hard look that SEQRA requires, when we drafted the Draft
Generic Environmental Impact Statement that is before you tonight. To understand what we’ve
done in preparing this EIS, it would be very helpful to get familiar with the areas that we’re talking
about in the study. We’re talking about three distinct areas. One area that we’re calling Park Area C,
which is the green area. Now that area is all the property that’s on the west side of Route 9, up to I-
87. The Samoset would be at the north end of that picture, and where that picture, and where that
project area, the red thing with the arrow, that would be the zoo property, the former Lake George
Zoo property that we have now as well. Park Area B, which is land we owned, but it undevelopable,
it’s the, Rush Pond I believe is the name of it, wetlands area, we just want to show you that we have
that land over there, and then Park Area A is where the existing Park is, and where all attractions will
be added, or, you know, replacement of attractions will occur. Now the majority of that is wetlands,
or the Glen Lake Fen, so that I think it’s roughly 257 acres. We have approximately 100 acres that
we will use and have been developing for the Park. Okay. Some of the potential impacts that we’ve
studied, or we’ve tried to do to the best of our ability, is to assess all the direct and indirect and
cumulative impacts of the Park expansion on things such as surface and groundwater quality, visual
impacts, traffic, audible noise, archeological and historical resources, terrestrial and aquatic ecology,
stormwater management, land use and zoning, public service, and then economic and physical
impacts. We’ve put a lot of people to work on this job. We had a public meeting in June of last year,
where people were concerned about what we were doing with the land we just bought. Well, we’re
coming to you today saying we’re doing exactly what that land, what we said we were. We’re going
to put parking in there. We are proposing a potential hotel in that location, but there’s a lot of
people that have worked very hard on this, ever since that meeting, and I’d like to introduce who’s
worked on this project. The LA Group has been the primary consultant, impact consultant, and we
have Jeff Anthony and Dean Long, from the LA Group. Now these people were answering
questions, and will answer questions, if you have any of them, either after or down the road. From
Creighton Manning we have Shelley Johnston. Shelley did our traffic study. From Hartkin
Archeological Consultants, we have Karen Hartkin, Matt Kirk, and Walter Wheeler. They did all of
our archeological work. We’ve got Dick Linebach, who studied our electrical needs, and proposed
the mitigation factors and the additions to that. From Delaware Engineering, we have Bill Bright,
who worked on the wastewater issue, and also proposed the treatments building. We have Scott
Manchester from ENSR, who worked on our sound and audible, the noise issue, and it’s Mark
Connic from Ryan and Biggs. His firm designed the pedestrian bridge and worked on that. We also
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have our legal representation, which is John Lemery and Jack Lebowitz, who have coordinated the
whole effort. These people put a lot of hard work into this project. It’s been a year long project. I
think if you, and you have to read the document. There’s a lot of information, a lot of technical data
that if you’ve got any questions, we’ll be here to help answer those. Have I got a couple of quick
minutes?
MRS. LA BOMBARD-You have one minute.
MR. COLLINS-Okay. I can’t go through all the mitigation factors that are in the document, but a
couple of things that I really want to quickly point out is we have heard the concerns. We’ve worked
very hard on addressing issues that have come up. Our Sound Study’s going to reveal that
attendance doesn’t have anything to do with noise. We’ve isolated the noise to one specific
attraction, which I believe we all know about, which is the Bobsled. We’ve spent over $100,000 to
try to mitigate that this year, and it’s an ongoing process. We thought we had it with softer wheels, in
combination with the foam we put on, but operationally, we could not allow it to run. It’s just, it
changed it too much. So we had to go back to the drawing board. So that’s an issue that we’re going
to work on, but I hope it shows that we didn’t have to do this, but we heard what was being said,
obviously, and we’re trying to do the things to mitigate either existing problems or potential
problems, but we’re going to run through some of the benefits of the Park expansion. We have over
$5.2 million in payroll, and we look to double that by 2004. We have approximately 1400 seasonal
employees, and we expect that to almost double as well. Is that it?
MR. MAC EWAN-Yes.
MR. COLLINS-Okay. Please read that Section. It’s very important, and thank you for your time.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you, Mr. Collins. Okay. We’ll start calling your names, as you signed in
tonight. We’d ask you, when you come up to the podium, please identify yourself for the record, and
give us your address, if you would, and I’ll turn it right over to Mrs. LaBombard.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Don Sipp from Courthouse Drive in Lake George.
MR. MAC EWAN-Maybe what we can do, to help move things along, is what we’ll do is we’ll call
three people at a time, and then you can come up here and have a seat right up here in front, so you
can stand right up.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Roger Boor is next, and third is Joanne Bramley.
DON SIPP
MR. SIPP-Good evening. Before I start, I want to get everybody on the same page, because I am
doing a survey of the Sound Study for this EIS. Sound is measured by decibels, and a decibel scale is
not linear, but logarithmic. So that a small increase in decibels makes a big change in the amount of
sound. To give you some idea of what decibels are, a whisper is 20 decibels. A normal living room is
40. A vacuum cleaner, though, is 80. A semi-tractor trailer at 10 feet is 100, and a chain saw may be
as high as 110. So that sound increases rather dramatically, as the number of decibels increase, but
the ear does not perceive loudness in this way, and therefore, a three percent increase in a decibel, in
decibel sounds, is only barely perceptible, even though it is a doubling of the amount of sound, but at
five decibels, you get quite a noticeable difference. At 10, it is a dramatic difference, and the ear
perceives it, and this is the important part, the ear perceives this as twice as loud. For tonight’s
presentation, I’d like to call this the 5-10 Rule. Five decibels is quite noticeable. Ten is a dramatic
increase in the amount of sound. To begin with, let me start with the method of sampling. Samples
were taken in four places, three of them which were done in 1990, and another one was added this
year, which would be on the west side of Route 9. The three that were taken in 1990 were at Glen
Lake, Courthouse Estates, and Twicwood. The problem is the Glen Lake sampling was taken behind
a hill, and admittedly, in this EIS, it says that the sound is mitigated by this reading being taken
behind the hill. The others are in a line of sight, that is if there were no trees in the way, you could
see the source of the sound, but at Glen Lake you can see it. Why were not these sounds at Glen
Lake taken in a line of sight, much as they were at Twicwood and Courthouse? You all have
received, or picked up on the way in, I think, a little fact sheet. I call your attention to the Noise
section, which says no significant impact in audible noise. If we go back to the 1990 studies and
compare them with 1999, we find that there is a difference in Courthouse of 8.2 decibels, in
Twicwood, 5.7. Remember the 5-10 Rule, five being a noticeable increase, ten being a dramatic
increase. There are readings in here which are taken to show that the ambient noise level is not that
much different, and if you take some on the August 29 reading, we find that there is no footnote to
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show that although the Park is open, the Bobsled is not operating. Therefore, these numbers are
less. On the same chart, we find a reading which is supposed to be what is the level of noise when
the Park is closed, on November 12, and which it gives a reading of 55 decibels, where the actual
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reading from the field data is now at 41 decibels, a little different, a significant difference, shall we
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say, 12.5 decibels. Remember the 5/10 Rule. Twelve decibels is a lot of difference. If you go
through the document, you will find a study done by PMK, a noise specialist, in order to determine
the effect of the Bobsled. In the summary of this report from PMK, it says that because of the
Bobsled, Courthouse suffers a 9.1 decibel increase over the background noise. Twicwood suffers a
12.2 above the background noise. Again, apply the 5/10 Rule, five being noticeable, ten being
dramatic. Here we are talking nine and twelve increase, due to the Bobsled. Mitigation measures.
Obviously, as Mr. Collins says, they didn’t work. So we are still suffering with this noise. On this
fact sheet, we find that they say that all of the residential neighborhoods are within Federal
Guidelines. Up there, they had them in quotation marks. In here, they do not. There are no Federal
Guidelines. There is no Federal regulatory system for noise, and yet they choose to use this. Well, if
they choose to use Federal Guidelines, let’s get a more recent one than the 1980 one that they’re
using, and this comes from the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 24, Volume I, Part’s 0-188, Section
51, 103 says “Exterior Noise Levels, it is HUD’s goal that the exterior noise level should not exceed a
day/night average of 55 decibels.” It goes on to say, “Interior Noise Levels, HUD has a goal that
interior auditory environment shall not exceed a day/night average of 45”, but again, none of these
are regulatory agencies. They are just as they are, in quotation marks, guidelines. The conclusions
reached by the EIS, on Page 3-44, while occasionally detectable from the two neighborhoods, there is
no difference in the noise level. Then why all the telephone calls to The Great Escape complaining
about the noise? Noise is not related to the attendance. It may not be related to the attendance, but
it’s been related to the additional rides needed to use this additional attendance. Conclusion Number
Three, the ambient noise levels have not changed. Again, we were not told that on October 29,
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when they were measuring ambient noise levels, that the Bobsled was not running. In a letter from
ENSR, on 10/14/99, regarding the sound measurements taken, it states that Courthouse, the roller
coaster sound was six to eleven decibels above the existing sound levels, and Twicwood was four.
Again, apply the 5/10 Rule, six to eleven decibels above the background noise caused by the
Bobsled. On October 6, there’s a table showing that on October 6 they determined the day/night
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noise levels. October 6 was a Thursday. Was the Park open and running on that date? They plan
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on removing 11.4 acres of trees, and 5.5 acres of lawn. Will this additional 16.9 acres of blacktop
keep the sound from the Northway at the present levels? Have sound barriers ever been considered,
if they will not put back the trees that they are removing? Removal of the hillside from the Samoset
to the Coach House Restaurant. There is untold cubic yards of spoil which will be removed and be
replaced by parking lots and ring road. Is there data or is there a computer model which will show
that there will be no increase in sound from the Northway in the Twicwood and Courthouse Estates
neighborhoods? There is removal of vegetation from Animal Land, and Martha’s Motel. Some 40 to
60 foot trees will be removed. Is there data to show that there is no increase in sound from the
Northway in the Twicwood neighborhood? They will say that trees do not effectively block sound.
On top of that knoll, that esker, where the Samoset sits, and from there on down to the Coach
House Restaurant, there are 40 to 60 foot trees, besides the amount of fill that is to be removed.
This EIS is about environmental issues. It’s not about economics.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Excuse me. Your 10 minutes is up.
MR. SIPP-Therefore, I submit that the economic issues should be brought into this, and I believe
that anybody who can say that the environmental issues in this thing are, will have no impact, is a
laughable statement. Even the Post Star lampooned it with their editorial cartoon.
MR. MAC EWAN-Okay. Thank you, Mr. Sipp.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Thank you very much.
MR. MAC EWAN-Mr. Boor, what we think we’ll do, so that the speakers are aware of what’s going
on, when we get to the one minute mark, we’ll let you know you’ve got a minute left, okay?
ROGER BOOR
MR. BOOR-Great. My name is Roger Boor, for those of you that don’t know. Although
voluminous and raw data, this study, for the most part, relies on unstudied, unsubstantiated
assertions, and the grossest of omissions. It is more an attempt to deceive than to enlighten, and
many of the conclusions have little to do with the reality of what is being proposed, or the effects on
the local public. The Great Escape, formerly Story Town, serves as a prime example of how
recreational habits and their subsequent impacts can change over time. The theme park Story Town
did not have the degree of negative impacts to the community that the current ride park now has.
The Queensbury Planning Board experienced, and I hope learned a valuable lesson, when it
innocently omitted or failed to secure a limit on the extended hours at the Park. Extending the hours
of operation should be a notice to all of you that, in fact, the facility known as The Great Escape
may, in the future, change, again, as a result of changing recreational trends, to something other than
just a ride park or a giant ride park. Let’s be sure not to overlook all the uses of this property with its
current zoning, realizing that say large festivals, concerts, or other uses may eventually become
popular. In this study, the applicant states that patrons leave over a long period of time, so there will
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be no negative impacts created by exiting vehicles, yet they are seeking festival parking. Did the
traffic study look at festival situations or events where all patrons exit at once? The answer is, no.
This one assumption alone, the assumption that exiting patrons will always leave the Park over a long
period of time, deserves very serious scrutiny by this Board. What will occur when 30,000 patrons at
The Great Escape experience one of our afternoon thunderstorms or prolonged downpours that
starts, say, mid afternoon? Volume II of the Study, Traffic Impact, Page 6, during approximately 230
days of the year, The Great Escape generates essentially no traffic, and during approximately 250
days of the year, The Great Escape is closed during the AM Peak Hour. Concentrating the 1.5
million visiting patrons into 136 days is hardly a comfort to me or anyone else that has to travel by or
near the Park during peak season. Page Seven of the Study, the last bullet states, approximately 80%
of the peak hour traffic entering The Great Escape parking lots approach from the north, and
approximately 20% approach from the south. The ambiguities of this statement are obvious. The
80% entering the Park from the north, what percentage is, in fact, coming from the south, exiting I-
87 at Exit 20, and backtracking to the Park? Current stacking problems on northbound 87 would
seem to verify that perhaps points south are, in fact, a larger source of trip generation. Traffic counts
for cars, exiting from the north onto the bridge, and cars using the bridge to go south on I-87 are
conspicuously absent from all the traffic counts shown in Figures 3.1 through 3.30. They are,
instead, left in Appendix A of this manifest, and disjoined from where their interpretation might be
more meaningful and enlightening. The cornerstone of this traffic study is that you not look at the
bridge traffic, and the opposing left hand turns that must be made across traffic to access or exit I-
87. This cornerstone, the two lane bridge, fails, by the sheer weight of even the most cursory of
glances. In this study, and in reality, the Gurney Lane bridge and its intersection with Route 9 is but
a house of cards. As you read this document, you will see that the name Gurney Lane is
conspicuously absent from almost all commentary and analysis. Can a professional traffic
engineering firm make any assertions about traffic in the area without looking at the Gurney Lane
bridge, it’s intersection with Route 9, and its ultimate level of service capabilities? Is a two lane
bridge going to be able to handle the future demands of our growing community, and also provide
safe and timely egress and ingress to The Great Escape? Of the three ways to access Interstate 87, in
the Town of Queensbury, are we asking too much of this two lane structure? Page 27, the fourth
sentence under Item One, Traffic impacts on local collector roads states, tourists will not use local
collector roads to access the Park, because they will not know about them, and local collector roads
would generally not provide direct access to their destinations when they leave the Park. This
statement begs the question, what are the destinations of people leaving the Park? It goes on to say
the increased traffic on local collector roads, such as Glen Lake Road, West Mountain Road, Round
Pond Road, and Sweet Road, will be negligible. Local mobility, except on the Route 9 corridor, will
not be effected by The Great Escape expansion. The capabilities of local collector roads are
adequate to accommodate the vehicular demands of local circulation. The last sentence states, as a
result, there will be no impact on local collector roads in the area. I would ask, isn’t Gurney Lane a
local collector road? How did the preparers of this document determine that people using the Park
don’t know about local collector roads? I would assume the Park encourages and experiences repeat
customers. Where are the 2300 Great Escape employees going to go when not at work? Will they all
stay on site? How did the applicant determine that the increase in traffic on local collector roads
would be negligible? This in light of the statement, Page 75 under Conclusions, second to last
sentence, that states, trip generation during the afternoon peak hour of adjacent street traffic is less
than the morning peak hour trips, and therefore was not analyzed at all study locations. Here, again,
likes much ambiguity. I have to believe that people who go to work also return home. Who
determined what locations would be studied and which would be ignored? Isn’t it reasonable to
assume that the morning commuters, familiar with traffic snarls created by the morning arrivals to
Great Escape, commuters who did not use the collector roads on the way to work, might, indeed, use
them on the way home? Apparently, the study did not include this use of collector roads by local
residents. Again, are we to believe that Gurney Lane will not experience greater numbers of cars as a
direct result of the proposed expansion? How is safe pedestrian and bicycle traffic across the bridge
going to be ensured? Given that the US Census predicted a 22% growth in population for
Queensbury over the 10 year period, 1990 to 2000, given that through June of this year, building
permits are on a record pace, given that towns use a conservative 2% rate of traffic increase per year
as a standard, given that Warren and Washington Counties showed the lowest rates of
unemployment in the entire State, given all this and more, how can the applicant state the capabilities
of local collector roads are adequate to accommodate the vehicular demands of local circulation? I
would pose this question to this Board. Are you taking home more paperwork now than you did last
year or the year before that? Do you believe that the collector roads will be able to handle the traffic
adequately if growth stays at its current pace? Where, in this report, is there any kind of detailed
study of the local traffic on collector roads, other than counts? Have large senior housing facilities
and multiple dwelling projects currently underway east of The Great Escape, been accounted for
with regard to their access to Interstate 87 and the Route 9 corridor? And what about pending
developments that are likely to receive approval? Has the applicant addressed the real growth rate of
the area and the associated traffic implications? In that the applicant has suggested building an on
site sewage treatment plant or hooking up to a line provided by the Town, I’d pose these questions.
Has sewering in an area ever hurt or lessened the development of an area? Has sewering ever caused
population decrease? Has sewering an area ever hurt business start ups or discouraged upgrades in
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expansion of existing businesses? In reality, wouldn’t sewering any area of the Town promote
development and its associated traffic? Where has the applicant addressed these scenarios?
Although the pedestrian walkway will provide a safer and more convenient way to enter the Park,
how will the effect of aligning Route 9 northbound traffic to more quickly reach the troublesome
bottleneck at 9N/Glen Lake Road intersection, and the Gurney Lane/Route 9 intersection, how will
this be addressed? Will traffic be stacked between Glen Lake Road light, Gurney Lane light, and Exit
20 light, to the point where westbound travelers on Glen Lake Road will be unable to turn right,
regardless of a green light? Why was the nameless road that currently circumnavigates the Warren
County Municipal Center not recognized as a legitimate, legal means, used by many locals to avoid
the traffic of exiting patrons of The Great Escape? As one of the four legs that make up the Gurney
Lane/9N intersection, and also the headquarters for the Warren County Sheriff’s Office, shouldn’t at
least some consideration be given to this used and viable route? How will Warren County officials
feel about increased use of this 15 mile per hour road? Will everything that’s being proposed by the
applicant create situation where emergency vehicles may not be able to respond in a timely and
necessary way? Will improvements to the 149 corridor lessen or cause greater numbers of cars and
trucks to enter the study area, and well known bottleneck at the exit and entrance ramps that make
up the entire Exit 20 interchanges? The applicant’s abbreviated solutions to all the traffic problems
in the study area boils down to mostly on-site changes, and does not address adequately the negative
impacts that locals who must travel the roads in and around The Great Escape, will experience.
Simply adding an additional turning lane into the Park and optimizing lights is not going to produce
any long term or short term solution to the massive growth this area of our Town is experiencing.
The infrastructure simply does not exist, and I see nothing in this draft document that comes close to
addressing the changes that would have to take place. In closing, I would like to say that the
proposed new lane from Northbound I-87 through Route 9/Gurney Lane intersection has a high
probability of creating a worse situation than already exists. It will reduce stacking capabilities of the
Gurney Lane bridge. It will create another lane change for big rigs and automobiles heading south
on Route 9 from 149, and attempting to use the bridge for points south on Interstate 87, and require
more time for all vehicles that either turn from or to the bridge from Route 9, thereby increasing the
likelihood that cars entering on a yellow or God forbid red light, may in fact be trapped, and thus
impede the flow of cars that have now got a green light. Thank you very much.
MR. MAC EWAN-In the interest of getting through this process tonight, I realize that this is a very
emotionally charged evening for most everyone here, I would ask you to please refrain from the
applause or the boos or hisses, whatever the case may be, so that we can continue on, because there
are 46 speakers who want to speak tonight, and we certainly want to give everyone their opportunity
to speak. Will you call two more, please?
MRS. LA BOMBARD-All right. Joanne Bramley’s going to speak now, and then we’ll have Karen
Engleston and Linda McNulty can come up. In the back there, did you have a comment?
MR. MAC EWAN-No, no. I’m going to ask you, if you want to speak, you’re going to have to come
up. That’s the fair way to do it. People have signed in here to be heard tonight. That’s the process.
MR. MAC EWAN-Go ahead, Mrs. Bramley
JOANNE BRAMLEY
MRS. BRAMLEY-Good evening. Page Two, Volume I of The Great Escape’s DGEIS states, and I
quote “In order to protect its already considerable investment in the Park, Great Escape is prepared
to expend $15 to $20 million over the next few years on additional rides and attractions. Therefore,
in order to remain competitive, Great Escape must continually add to and improve upon the
attractions within the Park. The purpose of the project, as outlined in Section 1.1, is to provide the
infrastructure necessary to support the anticipated growth in Park attendance that is likely to result
from Great Escape’s continued investment in new rides and attractions.” There is no request for
specific ride approval contained in this study. However, in as much as the applicant addresses the
commitment to become competitive within the industry, I will direct my initial comments to
outlining what will be involved for the Park and our community. The amusement park trend, and
that of Great Escape specifically, is to update the parks with what is referred to in the industry as
extreme rides or scream machines. The following information was provided by Discovery.com, and
is entitled “Extreme Ride 2000”, as well as from the documentary, “Amusement Parks: The Pursuit
of Fun”. Six Flags, Magic Mountain, in Valentia California, ushered in the millennium with a new
ride called Goliath. It is the tallest, fastest continuous roller coaster in the western world, reaching
255 feet high, and runs at 85 miles an hour. Designed by the Swiss firm Intimen, its president states,
the limits are almost endless, because we just started with linear induction motors five years ago, and
there’s a long way to go. I’m looking forward to working with the Park to pass the 100 mile per hour
mark. Also, at Six Flags Magic Mountain is the ride Superman the Escape. Jim Blackey, Vice
President of Facilities Management says, and I quote, “The most difficult element of the ride was the
power system, getting a 12,000 pound car to ascend 40 stories in seven seconds, at 100 miles an hour.
A lot more is involved in these parks than people imagine. The technology is quite state of the art.
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When it comes to thrills, too much is never enough”. From the moment you enter the Park,
designers are directing your natural, psychological and physical reactions to draw you to a ride. The
distinctive roar of the Six Flags Magic Mountain Superman ride is heard throughout the Park. The
40 story ride is designed to be big, and loud and grab your attention. Jim Blackey of Magic Mountain
says, and I quote “You can’t miss it. Irregardless of where we would have placed it, you would have
seen it”. Another strategy used to attract riders is to extend a portion of the track over walkways.
With 80% of Americans being within three hours of a major ride park, The Great Escape must
follow other parks by installing these new rides, or risk the threat of losing its patrons to neighboring
parks. SNS Power, another thrill ride manufacturer, has just launched Air Thrust 2000. Billed as the
thrill ride of the new millennium. Park World Magazine describes the ride as one that initially
catapults riders horizontally from 0 to 80 miles an hour in 1.5 seconds. At The Park Magazine says,
and I quote “It is very fast, and you feel like the skin is going to rip off your face. It’s very intent”,
end quote. As amazing as this prototype is, it’s nothing compared to what SNS has in store for the
full scale model. They hope to double its height to 350 feet, add more hills, twists, turns and break a
coaster speed record. At The Park Magazine publisher states, “The millennium is forcing a lot of
people to want to knock your socks off. There are a lot of record breakers coming out in the next
couple of years”. I would like to know how these rides compare to the Alpine Bobsled noise, as
noise generators. We really have no indication that the new rides will be any better. The mitigation
mentioned in this study for the Bobsled has proved to be ineffective, and the ride has been
generating the same level of noise as it previously did. How is this going to be addressed? Can
decibel readings for the new scream machine rides be provided so the Planning Board is aware of the
magnitude of the intended development of these rides at this Park? Is the Park going to address the
noise emitted by patrons screaming? Is this a visual scene that we want to create for our community?
All visitors to this area are not park enthusiasts. Many residents and tourists appreciate the present
topography. Page 4-24 of Volume I states, and I quote “A 200 foot tall structure was selected for
analysis since that height is required for a modern roller coaster to reach speeds of 60 miles an hour,
which is the current design standard for most significant coasters”. As documented above, the
current trends far exceed the standard. Page 4 and 5 of the Executive Summary discuss the
simulated views of the 200 foot structure to create a benchmark for visual impact. “The visual
simulation documents that such a high structure would have a negligible visual impact because of the
limited areas of view in the visual context, which would make such a structure a relative small
element in the mid or foreground for a few locations from which such a structure would be visual”.
Create a visual reference for yourself of this height, by picturing the CNA building in Glens Falls.
Now imagine two of them stacked on top of each other, and add 20 feet. How can this study refer
to this as a negligible visual impact for this community? How can this be deemed a relatively small
element? The few locations its visible from, as shown on the map, are 90% of Glen Lake, various
areas of the Glens Falls Country Club, the bike path and the north and southbound lanes of I-87. I
would like to see the applicant quantify the number of effected persons for each receptor area. This
will undoubtedly put a different perspective on the use of the word “few”. Why was no data
included regarding the construction of noise barriers as possible mitigation? The Great Escape’s
conclusion on visual effects is not one that installs confidence in the public that our concerns are
being addressed. The Planning Board must project what this Park has the potential to become in 20
years. Ten years ago, the Planning Board did not project what the consequences would be when the
owners sought approval for the Comet. The Park changed from a children’s theme park to a night
time ride park, and has proceeded in that direction ever since. Expanded hours were addressed by
the neighbors 10 years ago, and we were told by the owners that no change was planned. We all
know that because restrictions were not included in the resolution for that ride, the Park was free to
extend its hours. There’s no mention of hours of operation in this study. Why is that not included?
Other Six Flags operate until midnight and on some occasions until one a.m. How is this going to be
addressed? Are the residents of the bordering neighborhoods expected to welcome an increase in
the amount of time we have to listen to the noise generators at Great Escape? We ask the Board to
be specific in restricting the hours of operation to not exceed current hours. Page Two of the
Executive Summary states, and I quote “As documented from this Impact Statement, the support
facilities which the Park proposes in this Project, are intended to support and accommodate growth
in patronage while providing for improved levels of environmental quality for potential impacts on
traffic congestion, water quality, wetlands protection, stormwater management, cultural resources and
visual impacts, community character, and audible noise.” Nowhere in this study is there any
documentation that audible noise will improve, that visual impact will improve, that the character of
the adjacent neighborhoods will improve. We are already experiencing negative impacts as a result of
the current operation of The Great Escape. How could a conclusion be drawn that conditions will
improve, and where is the data to support it? Page 7-3, Volume I states, “Development of a parking
garage would be cost prohibitive”. Page 4-6 of Volume I indicates that approximately 11.58 acres of
woods and 5.4 acres of lawn will be disturbed by the project to provide for parking. SEQRA
requires “The applicant provide an evaluation of the range of alternatives at a level of detail sufficient
to permit a comparative assessment of the alternatives discussed”. The heavily wooded area in
question is the last substantial noise and visual buffer from Route 9 and I-87 for the neighbors.
Preservation of the existing topography should be addressed as an alternative to decreasing the
current elevation and the removal of trees from the Animal Land property to the Samoset to provide
for parking. As stated in this document, the Planning Board approval of the infrastructure expansion
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requested is to do so with the implied intent to then approve the rides necessary to support that
growth at The Great Escape. The compromised environmental setting that the Park resides within,
accompanied by the adjacent residential neighborhoods, makes this type of expansion undesirable.
The various mitigation measures offered in this study do not begin to give a truly effective solution
to current or future issues. I believe the Planning Board will give strong consideration to requiring
The Great Escape to provide a more thoroughly documented examination of this project. The
implications for our community are too vast in scope to only give it a cursory study of the involved
impacts. Thank you for the opportunity to address the Board.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
KAREN ANGELSON
MRS. ANGELSON-Karen Angelson, 1 Greenwood Lane, Queensbury. I’d like to thank the
Planning Board for the opportunity to present comments tonight. The Great Escape’s Draft
Generic Environmental Impact Statement contains much data that needs to be carefully reviewed.
This review needs to be done, allowing for comments both verbally and in writing. The comment
time needs to be extended for at least six months, in my opinion. To not do this would be a
disservice to our community and to the area as a whole. We are adjacent to the Lake George
Watershed, and the Adirondack Park. We are at the Foothills of the Adirondacks, and need to
carefully review what is being proposed and act accordingly. We need to plan something that we can
be proud of, not just for the present, but for future generations. Were noise barriers never
considered? If not, why not? These could be attractive and very effective. There is, as addressed in
4.8.2, on Page 4-21, discussion of increased noise procreation which might possibly arise from
changes in topography, from clearing and grading activities for the new project construction, and
installation of new and particularly noisy rides like the Alpine Bobsled, with the potential for off site,
audible noise impact, does this mean that the Bobsled stays as is? On Page 4-21, the document states
that the hill within the US Route 9 corridor, which protects the receptor neighborhoods from major
noise, will not be eliminated, but the cross sectional illustrations of Figure 4.10, 4.11, and 4.12 show
removal of land and trees to these areas, and I quote “Any changes in landscaping for the Project,
such as the landscaping of the parking lots along the US Route 9 corridor, will have no effect on
noise propagation from the Northway”. Has this been substantiated? Please provide the Board the
data. These changes occur in the Samoset Motel area and in the Animal Land/Martha’s Motel area.
The document further states that vegetation must be 20 to 100 feet wide, with shrub growth and a
height of 15 feet or more to be effective for a two to six decibel sound change. How will removing
land and trees and replacing them with plantings, landscape clusters and blacktop accomplish this?
On Page 2-10, the document further states that a variety of plantings will be used, and that the
parking lot will not be the typical layout, but a festival style. This festival style would have to be
approved, yet the document considers it a fact and proceeds to describe the plantings. The
document further states there will not be significant, long term, or cumulative audible noise impacts
from the project on the neighborhood studied in the DGEIS. The document goes on to say there is
no causal relationship between growth in visitor attendance, the corresponding level of park
operations, and no increase in audible noise impacts in the neighborhood. The Park has committed
to mitigate baseline cumulative impacts by retrofitting noise abatement measures on the Bobsled ride,
as stated in 4.8.2. This has not been accomplished. The Bobsled is still very loud, as the Park
management is well aware. As mentioned above, the Bobsled provides off site, audible noise
impacts. I also question the statement there is no causal relationship between growth in visitor
attendance and the increase in audible noise. I ask the Board, and anyone here present, to tell me
that there is no increase in audible noise, if you have even two or three more people in your yard or
your house, especially if these people are doing such activities as one does in an amusement park.
The document says that the purpose and need for expansion is to allow the Park to build needed
infrastructure and support facilities to improve its customer access and generally to accommodate
growth in attendance over a period of several years from its current level. The projected project will
strengthen the local tourist industry. The benefits will grow and expand the area visitors. See Page
Two of the Executive Study. Have these additional issues been discussed, such as how will the Park
additional traffic move, provide plans for handling traffic that will leave the Park and not go on to
the Northway. Will it go into neighborhoods and cause congestion and noise? Please provide plans
that address the traffic, noise, wastewater and environmental factors that this additional traffic will
cause on the secondary roads. There is a lot of growth in the Town of Queensbury, with an increase
in housing plan for the Hiland area, as an example. This traffic will also be utilizing the same
secondary roads that come from Route 9. Where is this discussed as potential issue and how has it
been addressed? Noise and environmental level calculations should include these projected increases
in population growth and traffic, when projecting the increased anticipation by the Park. The
document states that no continuous noise from the Park was discernable during the monitoring
periods. It goes on to say intrusive noise in the Twicwood site was primarily due to vehicular traffic
on Greenwood Lane. Other noises were from children, air craft, and a mail truck. During the
entirety of the monitoring process, no intrusive noises were heard coming from the direction of the
Park, except for a big bang. This was quoted from 4.0, monitoring results and observations, 4.1.1.
The document also goes on to say, on Page 4-21, there will not be significant long term or
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cumulative audible effects. I would just like to point out to the Planning Board some interesting
information on the effects of noise on health and well being. The following is quoted from effects
on noise on health and well being, taken from www., a web site, conscious choice. Because noise
often does not produce visible effects, and because there is usually not a distinct cause and effect
relationship between a single noise event, and a clear adverse health effect, some people believe noise
does not pose a serious risk to human health, but evidence from a number of recent studies,
especially on children, provides ample proof that noise harms human health and decreases quality of
life. While noise usually will not kill us, it can certainly make our lives miserable. On Page 423, the
document states that the 1990 sound levels at the monitoring sites have remained unchanged over
the past 10 years, despite increased attendance, and the addition of rides and attractions. Table 3-9
states there would be increase of 8.2 decibels in Courthouse and 5.7 in Twicwood. Six Flags is proud
of their scream machines and if you go to their web site, wwwSix Flags.com, you can find the sites of
the United States and world wide that they own. Their advertisements really emphasize the new
scream rides, describing them in detail, with lots of loud music, including their heights. The issues I
have addressed are just a few of the contradictions that need review, and we need to take this
opportunity to make our area of which we can be proud. I have attached the names and addresses of
the Six Flags sites in the United States. I strongly suggest that the Planning Staff, or members of the
Planning Board inquire of these towns or cities regarding the compliance with the areas that are
being addressed here tonight, such as environment, noise, water quality and traffic by Six Flags.
Another question to pose of these people is, where are these parks located in relation to
neighborhoods, wetlands, scenic views, and other areas of concern. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
LINDA MC NULTY
MRS. MC NULTY-Linda McNulty, 14 Twicwood Lane. I spent about two weeks reading over the
traffic study that was done for the DGEIS, and I found several things that were either contrary to
popular belief in actuality in our neighborhood, and, well, not in our neighborhood particularly, but
in traveling the area. Going from the Lake George area, delivering a contract to the Glens Falls area,
it was just a mob scene between Route 149, I had gotten off at Gurney Lane, I cut over through the
Municipal parking area, to Glen Lake Road, Tee Hill, and I found that there were several other cars
following me or in front of me doing the same thing. That is not one of the collector roads that is
indicated in the traffic study. However, the other area roads are impacted by the traffic in The Great
Escape area because you just can’t get either down the Northway, up the Northway, or around there,
in any kind of a timely fashion. I can’t possibly understand how expanding this Park, they’re talking
about increasing to 1.5 million people attending, and the traffic study indicated that they’re averaging
about three people per vehicle that’s coming to the Park. In my math, I gather it’s 500,000 vehicles
that they’re predicting per day. I can’t visualize Route 9 being able to handle that, even with the
internal roads that they’re planning on putting in. The internal roads, I’m also wondering about
whether they’re one way, how people are going to get out when they need to get out, for emergencies
or just because they’ve had enough of the day there. The exiting from I-87 onto Gurney Lane, it
takes three to five minutes, if you’re coming south, getting on to Gurney Lane, it’s a left hand turn.
You’ve got traffic coming across from Route 9. It’s an impossible situation. Not only that, it’s
dangerous because the visibility is very limited. The bridge side rails are high enough that you cannot
see traffic coming across the bridge. So half the time you’re out across the Gurney Lane area, and
you have a car within maybe 100 feet of you or less, and they travel quickly through there. They
don’t just put along. The Great Escape is proposing to remove several trees from the Route 9
corridor, and already the traffic noise is, we feel like we’re living on a freeway. We also feel like we’re
living in the center of the amusement park. This shouldn’t be the situation in a housing
development. I really feel that they should be made to mitigate the present sound problems before
they’re even allowed expansion. I would also highly recommend a five year waiting period to try to
resolve some of these issues before they even begin expanding. The noise is traveling to further
developments. It’s not just our Twicwood area. I’m hearing complaints from people that are trying
to golf at the Glens Falls Country Club, people that are living over in the Baybridge area, off of Bay
Road. They’re now hearing the screams from people on the roller coaster. The west side of Route 9,
they’re hearing it in developments over there where it’s crossing Rush Pond. I really feel that this is a
negative and unwanted thing for our community. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Thank you. Okay. Chuck McNulty.
CHUCK MC NULTY
MR. MC NULTY-Okay. Chuck McNulty. In my opinion, this DGEIS is inadequate and, frankly,
dishonest, and I think it will contribute to the public’s distrust of The Great Escape’s management.
I’ll cite just a few examples of what really bothers me about this work effort and leads me to
conclude that its authors are at best attempting to mislead the public and the Town decision makers,
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and at worst, are incompetent and dishonest. In the traffic study, the authors discuss several
intersections, controlled by traffic lights, and after acknowledging each is currently a problem, they
offer a magical cure all of changing the light cycle. As an example, they suggest that all the
congestion and back up on I-87 at the northbound Exit 20 ramp can be eliminated by eliminating the
exclusive northbound Route 9 part of the cycle. They fail to explain how anyone is to make a left
turn at that point, from Route 9 onto the entrance ramp of northbound I-87, without the green
arrow that is a part of that exclusive Route 9 northbound cycle. They also fail to adequately
acknowledge that the intersection is sometimes clogged by traffic backing up from the Route 9
northbound lane from as far as the light at 149. Drivers northbound on Route 9 at Exit 20 are now
currently crossing the double yellow line, and driving up the middle of the road in an attempt to
make a left turn onto I-87 going north at that exit. I can’t understand how obliterating the left turn
option on that light, and doubling the amount of traffic that’s headed for The Great Escape, is going
to make everything okay, and I think that applies to all the different traffic intersections that they’ve
argued that they’re solving by just changing the traffic signal. The traffic study also fails to
adequately discuss the impact of doubling of the traffic on I-87 and Route 9 on other roads in the
area. The impact is not just on Round Pond Road, not just on Glen Lake or Aviation Road. Local
residents already use Montray Road, Country Club Road, Glenwood, Bay Road, Wincrest, Oakwood,
Sweet Road, Haviland, to avoid Route 9, when they’re traveling from any direction from their homes,
north, south, east or west. How much more traffic will be forced into residential areas and on
residential streets and other roads in the Town, when The Great Escape attendance doubles? The
sound discussions are engineering studies that totally dismiss the human aspect of the problem.
Residents of formerly quiet neighborhoods shouldn’t have to listen to rock bands, ride noises, people
screaming, PA announcements from car salesmen, PA announcements for go cart tracks, trucks
roaring up the interstate a half mile or more away, or deep bass boom box type noise from roller
skating rinks, and, yes, all of these should be a part of The Great Escape DGEIS because by being
where it is, and by having become a generic, run of the mill, thrill ride park, instead of the children’s
theme park that it once was, Great Escape attracts similar businesses, and the patrons that go to
these businesses and, therefore, are a contributor to some of the noise that these businesses create,
and I think the GEIS ought to take into account these ancillary impacts. On the sound, as a start, I
would recommend revising that old instruction that says, first you get rid of all the attorneys. I think
you should get rid of the attorneys and the engineers. I don’t care how loud or how soft a ride, a PA
system or a band is, I shouldn’t have to listen to it in my home. The GEIS, in evaluating noise
impact, should consider what bothers people, not what activates an engineer’s decibel meter. The
engineering approach that takes the attitude, if I can’t measure it, it’s not a problem, should be
thrown out. The impact here is on people, not on engineering instruments. The project suggested in
this document, the attendance increases envisioned, will transform the Town. It’ll destroy at least
three residential neighborhoods, and it will impact several more. That should be obvious to any half
competent consultant or Town official. That is what should be clearly stated in the GEIS, whether
The Great Escape likes it or not. The discussion should not be, if there will be an impact. There’s
going to be one hell of an impact. It should be whether the Town of Queensbury is going to become
a gaudy, commercial area, or whether it’s going to protect its year round residents, and strive to be
what its signs say it is, a nice place to live. Right now it’s not a nice place to live, and I think the
Town could be sued for false advertising. Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. The next person is Donald Milne, and could George Stark be ready, as
well as Barbara Bartwith and Dave Harrington.
MR. MAC EWAN-Okay. Go ahead, Mr. Milne.
DONALD MILNE
MR. MILNE-Mr. MacEwan, could I have a point of order for a minute, before my time starts?
MR. MAC EWAN-What’s on your mind?
MR. MILNE-I wrote a letter regarding additional time, and I wanted to express deep concern for the
lack of time to prepare analysis and commentary. The size of this document, over 600 pages,
requires time to read and digest. In addition, those neighborhoods effected must read it to determine
which questions require analysis by professional consultants. Then we have to hire those consultants
and receive their input.
MR. MAC EWAN-Mr. Milne, your input that you want to give us can go beyond your verbal
comments tonight, that you have until September 12 for written comment. So you still have plenty
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of time.
MR. MILNE-Which still, it’s really not, because we had to find consultants. We still haven’t been
able to get some.
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MR. MAC EWAN-That’s fine. That’s why we’re having this comment period. That’s the purpose
behind it.
MR. MILNE-Yes, but we would like to have it extended beyond September 11.
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MR. MAC EWAN-Go ahead. Your 10 minutes starts now.
MR. MILNE-Okay.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Wait a second, we were just advised by our Counsel that once you come up
here, Craig, it’s 10 minutes.
MR. MAC EWAN-Yes, that’s what I just said, his 10 minutes is starting.
MR. MILNE-Okay. This document is notable, not only for its size. It’s notable for numerous
omissions, errors, misstatements and contradictions. It goes overboard in attempting to emphasize
the economic benefits of the Park to the community while minimizing its adverse impacts to our
community. They talk about providing improved levels of environmental quality for potential
impacts on water quality and they go on and on. I respectfully ask the Board, if we are to believe
that the addition of a 200 foot high roller coaster in front of our view of West Mountain improves
the visual quality of the site. I respectfully ask the Board, if the removal of every tree from the area
of the Samoset Motel south to the Coach House Restaurant will result in improved levels of
stormwater management in that area? I respectfully ask the Board if the collection of runoff from
parking lots on which 4500 cars have been leaking oils, gasoline and antifreeze will improve our
water quality. With regard to omissions, the Scoping Document asked that noise levels to be
produced by the Park within the adjacent DGEIS area shall be mottled. Such mottling shall consider
the effect on properties across Glen Lake that may be effected by noise carrying over water. This
document does not include such mottling. Nowhere in the document could I find that, and it does
not include studies of noise levels on properties other than six houses adjacent to the monitoring
station on Birdsall Road. Their studies completely ignore and omit noise which has caused residents
of Fitzgerald Road, Ash Drive, Mannis Road, Hall Road, Jay Road, Ivy Road, Glen Lake Road and
others to complain of noise from the Park. The consultants did adhere to limits put forth in one
other part of the scoping document which called for an apples to apples comparison, using the same
monitoring stations that Mr. Wood used in 1990, when he was putting in the Comet. However, they
did add one monitoring station in the Park which was not included in the 1990 study. They chose
not to add any stations in other areas, such as Glen Lake. Now, notably, the station used in Glen
Lake was in an area where no resident complaints have been issued, because residents claim the noise
from the Park is blocked by the hill and the trees. They further stated in the GEIS that the hill is
very effective in limiting noise propagation. However, in other areas of Glen Lake, they are hearing
the noise, and the results of this single station are the basis for fallacious claims in this document that
noise is not a problem for Glen Lake. Now, will the Board require an analysis of the effective noise
carrying over water, as called for in the scoping document? Will the Board require additional testing
with monitoring stations along shoreline properties, along the shoreline? I emphasize shoreline
locations, not on roads behind hills and trees. Now another omission, in describing land use, they
identify the Glen Lake neighborhood within the study area as a group of six or seven homes, and
Figure 1-1, which shows the project location map, shows the primary study area is including not just
six or seven properties on Birdsall Road, conveniently located behind the hill, incidentally, but
includes all of the properties, from the home owned by Tuba on the northwest shore, to Powell on
the south shore. This includes 34 homes, not 6. In addition, they should have included all residences
on Glen Lake, since they are impacted visually, audibly, and by the increased nutrient loading of
waters due to sewage effluent or runoff from the Park. Will the Board require inclusion of these in
all homes fronting Glen Lake in the Impact Study? Now stormwater analysis is also omitted for Park
Area A. Since Area A is adjacent to the sensitive wetland, this is important. Will the Board require
that study? The document provides reference to plantings, but no specifications on the size of trees
or whether those plantings will be trees, shrubs, or ground cover. Will the Board require such
analysis and specification? Now, in Section 6, they talk about vegetation removal and they talk about
removal of large trees, such as that in northern Area C. Large trees absorb large quantities of
nutrients which do not reach ground water. Will the Board require analysis of the effects on
groundwater from this removal? Regarding sewage, errors in Section 2.1.10 bring into question all
the data and conclusions in this Section. First, they indicate the volume of sewage from the current
theme park is 45,636 gpd. They estimate the Park, theme park expansion will produce only 60,000
gpd. Now, my numbers say, if you increase from 900,000 to one and a half million, a factor of 1.5,
the volume, with expansion, should be 68,454 gpd, and the total volume should be 103,454 gpd, not
95,000. Will this be corrected and corrections made and the conclusions based upon this data?
Now, the document purports to show the system proposed will produce effluent quality, which is
significantly better than DEC standards. However, the proposed level for phosphorus discharge, at
.5 milligrams per liter, only just meets DEC potential effluent standards. Glen Lake cannot
biologically afford any additional phosphorus loading. Will measures of current phosphorus be
taken, and an analysis of future phosphorus in Glen Lake and the watershed be determined based on
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additional loading? Sources at DEC have told us that phosphorus discharge to a river does not
accumulate in a river as it does in a lake. This accumulation will result in considerable degradation of
the lake over time. They strongly suggest the sewage be handled by a line connected to the Glens
Falls Treatment Plant. Will a comparison study of the effects of ammonia phosphorus and biological
oxygen (lost word) on the watershed and waters of Glen Lake be done which compares the
alternative of local sewage treatment versus transfer of sewage to the Glens Falls Treatment Plant?
Regarding stormwater management, they state, on Page 4-9, groundwater will not be impacted
because no grading will occur, at or below the water table, and they claim the water table,
groundwater table is more than six feet below grade. Their evidence they cite is a Warren Soil
Conservation Service report which claims the groundwater table in Hinckley and Hinckley Plainfield
and such soils is at a depth of more than six feet. I challenge that assumption. The basis for the
challenge is as follows: The land upon which the existing parking lots in Area C were built is filled
land. So that gravel was brought in and filled over wetlands. The water table in those wetlands is the
level of Glen Lake Brook, not six feet below the parking lot. Generalizations in the report regarding
water table and those soils does not apply to this situation. Additionally, that fact should have been
known to the engineers formulating this report. This spring those parking lots were completely
flooded for an extended period of time. That could not occur if the water table were truly six feet
below grade. Will the Board require test borings to verify data presented as fact in this document?
Now, regarding runoff, antifreeze, an ingredient of antifreeze is ethylene glycol. Cars in our area are
mixed with a 50% solution of this. The BOD5 of antifreeze is 5,000 milligram per liter. The
biological oxygen demand for raw sewage is only 250 to 300. So this stuff can have a deleterious
effect on watershed. As a result, will traps or filters be employed to prevent hydrocarbons from
entering groundwater? Hydrocarbons from Route 9 have already been detected in the Fen. That’s
part of the Glen Lake Watershed Study. Will you require an analysis be made of additional
hydrocarbons from Route 9, due to additional traffic generated, this is not in this study. The authors
claim the project will only slightly increase or produce no increase in nutrient loading, due to
stormwater. This is unacceptable at the present time, because we’re attempting to reduce nutrient
loading in Glen Lake. We’ve had several projects that work. The DGEIS does not include figures
for current phosphorus in Glen Lake Brook and Project Area C. We need data on levels in Park
Area A and the Fen immediately after the Park. Will these studies be added to the DGEIS? In
summation, due to the location of this property which is placed in an environmentally sensitive area,
the wetland, the Fen, the Glen Lake Brook and the lake itself, and its close proximity to residential
neighborhoods, its development must be limited. We cannot expect it to expand, as other parks such
as Six Flags and Darrien, which is surrounded by acres of farm land. Common sense indicates that a
200 foot high roller coaster has an enormous impact, an enormous impact. Common sense dictates
90,000 gallons per day of effluent going into the soils 100 feet from a Fen has an enormous impact.
Common sense dictates that we must not allow hydrocarbons to be released from 4500 cars. Given
past Code violations, are we willing to trust this corporation with the well being of our valuable
watershed? Will this Board take into account past violation patterns when weighing data which show
limits at or near allowable standards? Are we to trade the peace and tranquility of our beautiful area
in the pursuit of profits? For the record, I was speaking for the Glen Lake Association.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-George Stark is going to speak, but could Anna Fowler and James
Underwood be ready.
MR. MAC EWAN-Mr. Stark, go ahead.
GEORGE STARK
MR. STARK-Planning Board members, I’m probably the most unpopular person here tonight,
because I’m going to speak in favor of what The Great Escape is proposing. The Draft
Environmental Impact Statement is just that. It’s a Draft Environmental Impact Statement. It’s not
the Final Generic Environmental Impact Statement. They still have the opportunity to take all the
comments that are here tonight, digest them, go over them, and then put them into the Final Impact
Statement. That’s the purpose of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement. I didn’t read the
whole Draft Environmental Impact Statement. I mean, you know, and I imagine most people here
did not, either. I mean, there’s a lot of technical data in there that I plain just don’t understand.
What I do understand is that I’ve owned a motel for 24 years, the Mohican Motel on Route 9 in Lake
George, that’s in the Town of Queensbury, mailing address is Lake George, and we’ve seen The
Great Escape grow over these 24 years. When Premier Parks bought it, they expanded it quite a bit,
and we’re expanding our business. The economic impact of The Great Escape, I’m sure everyone
knows. There’s 22,000 people, roughly, in Queensbury, and over 4,000 season tickets were sold to
residents in Queensbury to The Great Escape. I mean, people use this. The money that this
generates is throughout the whole economy here, not just to me, you know, or business owners, but
everyone. All I can say is that, you know, there’s a tremendous economic impact. Give The Great
Escape a chance, in the Final Environmental Impact Statement, to address these concerns. I agree
with a lot of these concerns. Mrs. McNulty and Mr. McNulty talked about how all these access
roads, I’m guilty of that myself. When I come down Route 9, a lot of times I go over 149, take a
right and go down through Tee Hill Road, and I end up going down to Bay Road, to get Downtown,
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or else I’ll go north to Exit 21, get on the Northway and get off at Exit 19 or Exit 18, depending on
where I’m going. Right now, the situation from the Trading Post down to Pirates Cove is pretty bad.
I agree, but hopefully, they’ll be able to mitigate some of those traffic concerns by the ring road and
their parking, and they can get the people in and out faster and everything. I don’t agree with
everything they want to do, but, you know, it’s a corporation, and they should have the right to
expand. That’s all I have to say. Thank you very much.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Barbara Bartwith and Dave Harrington. I guess you’re going to speak
together.
DAVE HARRINGTON
MR. HARRINGTON-Thank you, Planning Board, for allowing us to have the time tonight. I’m
Dave Harrington. This is Barb Bartwith. We’re co-directors for the Prospect Mountain Road Race,
and we represent the Adirondack Runners. We’ve heard a tremendous amount of negativism from
the community. We would like to present a little bit of positive that The Great Escape does for the
community. Barb?
BARBARA BARTWITH
MRS. BARTWITH-Through the sponsorships of Great Escape, we’re able to put on a much better
race, a higher quality race. It attracts runners locally, out of the area, out of the State. This increases
revenues for the local merchants. We purchase shirts for the runners, for the volunteers, food,
awards, all through small businesses to keep the revenues here in the community. Ten percent of the
profits go to the Adirondack Runners Scholarship. The rest, the remaining goes to Michelle
LaFontaine’s Nursing Scholarship at Adirondack Community College. All these things would not be
possible without the sponsorship of Great Escape. When they help the Adirondack Runners, they’re
also helping local businesses, the high school seniors, bringing out of town runners and their families
to the community. It’s putting funds back into the community. I think we need to give them a
chance to address the issues that everybody’s presenting tonight, but also do everything we can to let
them, in turn, help us. That’s all I have to say.
MR. MAC EWAN-Okay. Thank you very much.
MR. HARRINGTON-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Anna Fowler and James Underwood will be next, and Kevin Dineen and Ed
Lewey, would you be ready, please. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Ms. Fowler.
MS. FOWLER-Hi. I’m Anna Fowler on 96 Ash Drive, on Glen Lake. I’m the Secretary for the
Glen Lake Protective Association, and I was giving out blue ribbons earlier. I used up almost 30
yards, so I wondered if all of you guys could stand up for a second.
MR. MAC EWAN-I’d ask that we not do that, and just address the Board.
MRS. FOWLER-Okay, well, you can look out and see all the blue ribbons there. Raise your hands.
Thanks. First of all, I just wanted to say, for me, as a layperson, it’s rather overwhelming to come
into the library and, with my eight year old boy, and find this stack of stuff that I tried to go over,
and I did attempt to go over the first part, but I felt like we are at a huge disadvantage, as lay people,
to be trying to look over a couple of copies between all of us, and try to make sense of this in such a
short time. There are several things that I felt will have a strong adverse impact, unlike what they
seem to be saying in this document, there is the stormwater management for the paved parking lots,
which involves PVC piping, perforated PVC piping, going underneath the pavement, so that that
water will go into the ground under the pavement. That does not address the fact that the cars will
be increasing in numbers by around 2,000 or more than 2,000 cars, parking spaces available. That’s
what I mean. So that will mean an increase in chemicals, and hydrocarbons, coming into that
groundwater, which I do not feel, or I’m not sure whether or not the natural systems will be able to
handle that, and that was not addressed in the document. The noise studies have been mentioned
before, and the fact that they, it says that the background noise levels have not changed over the past
decade, for the receptor neighborhood, to me, says that that noise study is not accurate, and has
some problems with it, and especially, of course, the Bobsled, and one thing I would like to say is if it
cannot be properly mitigated, I wonder if it could be removed, if that’s, perhaps, the best thing to do
with it. Also not addressed, as has been mentioned, are noise problems involved with taking out a
huge area of trees and land, and also those trees are absorbing nutrients and runoff from the I-87,
and that’s already been mentioned, but that’s going to be a huge impact. The visual impacts could be
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very big. I looked at the visibility analysis maps, and saw that most or all of the wetlands would be
impacted, and large areas of Glen Lake would be impacted, in one case over 50% of Glen Lake
would be impacted by this, the 200 foot tower. In Photograph 14, there’s a view of the wetland from
the bike trail that shows where you could see the 200 foot tower, and from looking at that
photograph, I can see that the impact would be tremendous in that area, and I enjoy that view. That
view used to be pristine before the Nightmare came up over the tree line, and now the Nightmare’s
kind of peeking up over there, but a 200 foot or higher ride would have a huge impact on that view,
and I also know that many people like to canoe and kayak and fish in that area, and it will also be a
large impact there. One question I had about the pole replacement simulation photos, will there be
an impact on the bike trail electric lines, and if so, we need to see some photos like that on what that
impact would be, because that’s a very scenic area of the bike trail, the best part. As far as the
potential wildlife occurring on The Great Escape properties, I saw a number of omissions in the bird
life, and I am trained in Ornithology. There is no mention of the Osprey, which is the most, the
biggest one I saw. That has been sighted many times in the primary study area, and also is nesting on
Glen Lake, and I consider the wetland and the lake to be one system, since the water is all connected.
So that should be included. The Bald Eagle should also be included. That has been sighted. Other
ones that are not included are the Great Horned Owl, Bard Owl, Hooded Merganser, the Common
Loon. The Merganser and Loon come through on migration, raven, and I didn’t really have time to
determine if there’s other ones, but those were ones that came out at me immediately. The source
that was used for their bird list was a 1988 document, which is not up to date. Bird populations have
changed a great deal since then, and my main thought is that the project is on a wetland. It’s a very
environmentally sensitive area, and the vast scale proposed is just not acceptable as far as
environmental impact, and it will definitely have a detrimental impact if it goes on at this scale. I’m
not saying that I’m against Great Escape, per se. I just feel that we can’t allow this huge scale to
occur in this location, and that it’ll be a detriment to all of us who live near the waters that depend on
the wetland, and so that’s all. Thank you for letting me speak.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-James Underwood.
JAMES UNDERWOOD
MR. UNDERWOOD-My name is James Underwood. I live at 99 Mannis Road, over on Glen Lake.
Through the years, I’ve been involved with the Glen Lake Protective Association, with doing the
water studies on the lake, and also in drawing up the lake plan. One of the things I’d like to address
tonight is the massive amount of parking lots that are proposed over on the other side of Route 9,
and the effect that they will have on the lake, if they’re done in the present form that they propose. I
have no doubt that probably some blacktopping is going to be necessary, maybe around the
immediate area where they’re proposing their bridge over the Northway, or I mean over Route 9, but
at the same time, I would think that, for the most part, you know, when we have a summer, as we’ve
just had, we have to keep in mind the fact that this operation is only going to be viable for three
months out of the year, and when we have a year like this, where we have an incredible amount of
rainfall, much more so than normal, that the detrimental effects of having such a vast blacktop area
are going to have a definite effect on the waters of Glen Lake. When the groundwater is saturated, as
it is in a year like this, you know, it’s even more noticeable, as we’ve had effects on our lake this year,
and probably all the lakes in the area have been the same. What I would propose is that many of
these outlying parking lots that they propose, the ones over in back of Martha’s, some of the ones up
the hill, in the other direction, too, rather than blacktopping them, that they would be kept in their
natural state, or if they’re going to propose new ones, that they be grassed over areas. I know that
they complained that they wouldn’t be able to put their parking lines down to pack the cars in there,
you know, but they could go out to the, as they do over on the athletic fields, and put lines, if they
really wanted to get that technical about doing it, but at the same time, I think that these natural
surfaces would allow for a better percolation of runoff, when we do have rain, instances, we have to
keep in mind the fact that when people arrive, they park their cars, and they don’t come back to their
cars for hours and hours an hours. So the fact that blacktop is there is really unnecessary. People are
going to be very quick to make their way to pathways that lead to these crossover bridges and that
would allow them to leave the areas where they are natural, for better percolation. Don Milne
alluded to the effects of antifreeze and oils and heavy metals that are in the oils that drip out of cars
on a regular basis, and I just think the dissipation of these would occur in a greater manner, rather
than having them all be collected in, you know, collection basins or whatever and then directly go
straight to groundwater in a vast quantity. So it’s just something that I wish you would address.
Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Next is Kevin Dineen, and could we have George Stec and David
MacGowen on deck here.
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KEVIN DINEEN
MR. DINEEN-Good evening. I’m an 18 year resident of Queensbury, and I’m here tonight to
represent my family, my brothers, my sisters, and I think more importantly my kids and my nieces
and nephews. I’m a professional athlete by trade, and it’s given me an opportunity to travel the
world and meet people from all over the world, and I can’t tell you how proud I am to tell people
and say I’m from the Lake George area. I love to tell them about our beautiful lakes, our bike paths,
our beautiful mountain views, our golf courses, our skiing, fishing, our outlets, Saratoga, and our
amusement parks. I think they’re all part of the Lake George experience. I think it’s something that
we all have something to be extremely proud of. The Great Escape has been a Lake George
presence for decades. I think it started as a locally owned business, where you could get a summer
job. I think probably a lot of people here may have worked there as kids. It’s always been a good
neighbor. They’ve donated, they’ve had people here tonight talking about how they’ve done well for
the economy, how they’ve done well for different charities, the Hole in the Woods camp, etc., etc.
So they’ve done a lot of goods things, but also in the last 10 years, there’s been a lot of changes that I
think a lot of us have noticed. There’s been, one, they added the biggest roller coaster, a wooden
roller coaster, around. They added water rides, which carry millions of gallons of water, which I
think a lot of people have addressed here tonight. I think the Alpine slide probably might be the
noisiest ride in the world. So there’s been a lot of changes. We’re not where we were at one time.
All these have meant different things. They’ve meant increased traffic and increased noise, and
increased adverse effects on our wetland. I, personally, don’t have the time or the knowledge to do
studies on the noise or the water quality, but I can certainly tell you what my senses tell me, living on
the lake and being around there, the wetlands, I talked to anybody that was here. I would say that
this year was probably the worst year you’ve ever seen the lake, Glen Lake. The quality of the lake is
probably as bad as it’s ever been. Whether Great Escape is responsible for that, I don’t know, but
the lake is not what it once was. The noise. I think your ears certainly don’t lie to you. You’ve
talked to people tonight, and no matter what they say, you know, you hear it. It’s out there. They
say that, you know, that you guys spent $70,000 in improvements this year, they fixed the tires. I’m
not sure if Firestone might have done your tires or not, but that, in all seriousness, is very, very loud,
and it is an issue with all of us, and I think that’s a lot of the reason we’re here. The increased traffic.
I mean, I play sports where every night we empty out of a parking lot 17,000. We’re talking about
putting an extra 600,000 people into the Park. No matter the amount of studies you did, when I
played in Ottawa, they put in a $10 million ramp they had to do for their parking problems that they
have. It takes you 45 minutes to an hour to get out of there, and once these things start happening, I
think once we get to a point, there’s no turning back. Like with the roller coasters, we say, well, we’re
trying to address it by changing the wheels and that kind of thing, but once you get there, it doesn’t
change. Once you build the roller coasters so many feet high, it doesn’t change. This is kind of an
intimidating experience getting up and speaking in front of you all. I know it’s a thankless job that
you all have, is to hear this, and to make some rulings, but I really believe that you all may never have
a more important ruling than you do on The Great Escape. It’ll effect your kids and my kids for
years to come, but I guess what I really wanted to say is you really have to understand what this is
really all about tonight and this whole thing, and it’s not so much about the Impact Study and the
traffic and the noise and the wetlands. It’s not going to improve the theme park experience to get
bigger and better. The fun factor is not going to go up that much higher. This is all about big
money. It’s what it is. It’s big money, okay. We’re a long way from Kansas. Story Town is long
gone. We are now dealing with Six Flags, Incorporated. Okay. You’re talking about a publicly
traded stock. The stock’s down right now. All of a sudden something goes through, what happens,
the stock goes up. Okay. So you’re dealing with big business. We have high paid consultants here
that are here to do a job, and it’s understandable. That’s what they do. Is that bad? Is that bad for
our area? I think that’s what we’re here to decide tonight, what’s bad. Like I said, I think they have
been a good neighbor in a lot of ways, they’re putting millions of dollars, they’ve spent millions of
dollars to buy the land. They’re spending millions of dollars for this. They’re spending lots of
money for these studies, and I think we have to understand that we are dealing with a very, very big
business, and it doesn’t have anything to do with this. It has to do with bringing in an extra 600,000
people a summer, and that’s what we have to address. So I hope when you all sit down and you
study this, that you think long and hard about it. Thanks.
ED LEWEY
MR. LEWEY-Good evening. My name is Ed Lewey, and I am a marketer, and I have marketed
something called Story Town for over 40 years. I have not gotten up in front of a group like this and
spoken before. I’ve gone through environmental hearings in the Adirondacks. I was very much
involved in the 1980 Olympics and ski jumps and all kinds of things. All I can tell you is I know
nothing about water. I know nothing about the environment, but I do know about marketing, and
the history of Story Town is that Charlie Wood, you all know the history. Charlie started Story
Town, and when he spent dollars, things increased. More motels came, more business came, and it
was a continuing effort by Charlie Wood to make this thing all happen. Yes, he made money, but he
also gave money back to this community, in many, many ways, and many, many donations. I started
with Charlie as a representative of the Adirondack Attractions. I represented all the Adirondack
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Attractions, from the North Pole to Land of Make Believe, and I watched these attractions, over the
years. The people who spent the money continued in business. The people who didn’t spend the
money are now out of business. Tourism is, I understand in the Town of Queensbury, one of your
biggest things that you do. You are a tourist community. You are a part of the Lake George area. I
don’t pretend to know. I know that most of these folks in this room today are neighbors. I’m not a
neighbor. I’m from Saratoga Springs. I happen to represent the Race Track. The Race Track, this
year, spent eight and a half million dollars in improvements. It also poured this whole meet. We’re
up in attendance. I’d like to take the credit, as the marketer, but I think the improvements played a
huge part, and I know, from my small dealings with the Six Flags folks, that they will do the
environmentally right thing when it comes along. I talked to the Warren County Tourism
Department today and they gave me the latest figures. Since 1996, and that’s when the folks from
Premier, now Six Flags, came to Town, there has been a growth of 45% in tourism in Warren
County. That’s quite a growth pattern. That’s taxes. That’s business. That’s new homes. I heard
somebody mention tonight that the new homes in Queensbury are getting more and more, there are
more and more homes, and a lot of things happen. The number of visitors, annual visitors, now
exceeds 3.5 million. These are the figures I received today, from Warren County Tourism
Department. The Great Escape caters to thousands of children, especially in the month of June
when there isn’t any real business up in this market. If those school groups didn’t come in and spend
money and gas for the school buses and all of those things, they definitely have an impact. Six Flags
has tried to extend the season. One of the things, as the marketer of the Adirondacks for years and
years, was how do we get it so that it won’t just start on Memorial Day and end on Labor Day, how
do we get to expand the season so that more people have more jobs, more things will happen, and
these folks have started to do that. They’ve opened up a little earlier, and they’re now closing at the
end of October. There are an awful lot of people that are proud of The Great Escape and what it
represents. Again, back to the Race Track, this is today’s Times Union, and it’s a story about The
Great Escape, and what the jockeys do on their day off, and they quote how great it is, and these are
people from many different lands, these jockeys, they come to The Great Escape and they have a
great time. Yes, they could go to other places, but The Great Escape has given them that they want
to come to. So, I think, as a Planning Board, you certainly have to look into some of these types of
things. I don’t have anything more to say, actually, and I don’t want to waste everybody’s time,
because a lot of people have prepared themselves and everything about the environmental impact.
All I can tell you is that if you don’t let things grow, the impact will be tremendous, and that’s all I
really have to say. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Next is George Stec, and then David MacGowan, and let’s have
Kathleen MacGowan, and Paul Derby on deck.
GEORGE STEC
MR. STEC-Good evening, everyone, and thank you, Planning Board, for giving us this opportunity
to speak our opinions this evening. My name is George J. Stec, George Stec. What I’m about to
present to you are my personal opinions and observations. I’m not a rocket scientist or a nuclear
engineer, but I have lived in the area for 35 years, and I have been involved with some of the
environmental changes in The Great Escape land holdings. By nature, I’m a retired State Forest
Ranger, and my job has brought me into the environment of Great Escape, and I’ve been dealing
with some of those issues, with regards to the wetlands, in 1973 and in ’79, ’80, and the filling in of
the west side of Route 9 was a travesty, to this date, and I envision more of this coming down the
road. Some of my concerns are, I’m concerned about the wetland encroachment and destruction.
I’m concerned about deforestation between Route 9 and the Northway. I’m concerned about the
pollution of Glen Lake. I’m concerned about addressing the stormwater and runoff. I’m concerned
about lighting. I’m concerned about buffers. I’m concerned about parking. My home is two miles
away, and I can see some of the rides protruding above the trees. I can see the light glow in the
evening. I can hear, occasionally, fireworks, and years ago, yes, years ago, I used to hear the people
screaming two miles away. Maybe over the 35 years the trees beneath my house have grown to the
point where they are acting as a good buffer in screening out some of the noises. My main concerns,
and some of these have been addressed, and will continue to be addressed, is the traffic, the noise,
and more importantly, which I think, is the sewage disposal. Life as we know it on this planet is
dependent upon the sun, the green plants and the water. When you alter, change any of these three
things, the planet’s headed for big problems, and I think we are witnessing some of these going on
today with the floods in the south, I mean, well, the eastern coast, and the fires out west. Over the
years, I have seen the character of the Park change drastically, from a quaint, children oriented park,
with short hours and short season, to an adult screaming park with long hours and extended seasons
and special events. When the Premier Parks, Great Escape, when they bought the land, they invested
seven and a half million dollars, and originally, this was proposed to address the parking and the
traffic issues. Now, I believe that if you’re going to invest seven and a half million dollars, you do
your homework. I think they grabbed a tiger by the tail, and I don’t think they know how to let go
yet. This area is not suited for expansion. I see it as the developer is trying to put 10 pounds of
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sugar in a 5 pound bag, or at this point, the glass is already full, but like I said previously, my major
concern is the sewage disposal on the property. To me, this is paramount. The only solution is
municipal sewage. Do not dispose of it in the Park, ship it out. Now, The Great Escape is going to
say, cost, cost of dollars. They spent seven and a half million dollars, now they’ve got to make good
on it for their stockholders. I’m going to briefly give you some facts here. The Queensbury
residents face a $12 million potential library expansion, bear with me. The Queensbury residents face
major school district expansion, in the next two or three years, I’m saying major school expansion in
the new two years, big tax increases for the Queensbury people. The Great Escape Park lies in the
Lake George School District. No tax money for the Queensbury School taxpayer. The Great
Escape adult ticket is $33.00 for the ticket. It has a $.20 sales tax on it, $.20 sales tax on a $33.00
item, comes to .6% sales tax, .6, and most of us, when we go to Lowe’s, or any store around here, we
pay seven percent sales tax. They have the advantage of only charging .6. The 20 cent or .6 tax in
the area, we end up getting the benefits. When you look at the potential one and a half million
people coming into this Park, 20 cents, that’s minimal. That’s a tragedy. My solution, with regards to
the sewage in the Park, like I said earlier, is to ship it out. My solution is to have municipal sewage, is
to increase the tax on the admission tickets, put the municipal sewers in, no disposal, on site, of any
sewage. Glen Lake and its environment don’t need this on this site. So ship the sewers out. With
the one and a half million people expected to come in, the money will be there. They can pay for it.
The sewer line ends at Gambles, I believe, Sweet Road. From there to the Park is not that far, and if
they have good faith, if their intentions are good, if they want to do something for the community, as
was previously noted in the June 30 meeting in the Queensbury Town Hall, put their money where
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their mouth is, increase the sales tax on their tickets and pay for the sewers. Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-David MacGowan.
DAVID MAC GOWAN
MR. MAC GOWAN-Good evening. My name is Dave MacGowan. I live at 48 Birch Road, and for
those of you who don’t know, that’s on the side of Glen Lake that’s closest to the amusement park.
My wife and I, we moved here five years ago from Kalamazu, Michigan, and we chose to raise our
family here in Queensbury, primarily because of the quality of life issues and it’s really a great place to
be. We have three children right now, and we are not opposed to amusement parks by any stretch of
the imagination. We’ve purchased Great Escape passes the last three years running, and we do
frequent the Park. However, with that said, I’m strongly opposed to any additional expansion
proposed by The Great Escape. Point Number One, I’m very concerned about the pollution that’s
going to be generated by the cars and the parking lot that will be added as proposed by The Great
Escape. I’m a chemical engineer by trade. I specialize in filtration equipment, and I have
considerable dealings with wastewater issues. I’m not going to go into technical details. However,
I’d like to say that in industrial plants, where you have pollution issues, that equipment requires
continuous monitoring and continuous maintenance to assure that the treatment methods are
functioning properly. What I’d like to know is, Question Number One, how are we going to
monitor that stormwater runoff and assure that it does not effect the quality of Glen Lake? Point
Number Two, nobody, tonight, has mentioned property values, but I know that that’s a very, an issue
that concerns many of us. I’d like to know, what are you, as the Planning Board, going to do to help
us protect our property values and keep our investments from eroding. I know, like myself, there are
many of us who have worked very hard for our homes, and we don’t want to see those property
values decrease. Point Number Three, we moved here, again, because of the quality of life. What are
you, as the Board, going to do to help us prevent decreasing the quality of life? The traffic issues on
Route 9, I feel, have already begun to erode that life quality. Point Number 3b, is what effect will
removal of those trees between Route 9 and the Northway have? My guess is that it’s going to have
significant effect on the noise that we experience in our back yard. Point Number Four is on the
Alpine Bobsled. Three years ago, my wife, Marianne, she was one of the first people to call John
Collins at The Great Escape and complain. At that point, she was told that there was only one other
person who called in and complained, and that it really wasn’t an issue. This was three years ago.
The Great Escape has had three years to correct that problem. I’m questioning what other additional
problems are we going to see with this expansion that no one’s foreseen? If The Great Escape can’t
correct one minor problem, over a three year time span, how can the citizens of Queensbury expect
them to correct problems that they can’t see? Number Five, I think we need to talk immediately
about a Noise Ordinance. I know there’s some difficulties with doing this, but we need to put that in
place now, to prevent any future rides from being put in that’s going to continue to degrade our
quality of life, and Number Six, I would say that regardless of how this comes out, the Board should
not, under any circumstances, grant The Great Escape any variances to the current Queensbury
Building Code. Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Next is Kathleen Gowan, and would Paul Derby and Lorraine Stein
be ready to speak.
KATHLEEN GOWAN
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MRS. GOWAN-Good evening. My name is Kathleen Gowan. I’m from Elm Drive, Glen Lake.
I’m a career forester, and I’ve fought forest fires for over a decade. I have personally witnessed the
devastation caused by nature, and what havoc forest fires wreck upon local, neighboring
communities. Why should we purposely encourage and direct such destruction, when we have the
power to control it? This is not in nature’s hands, here, but our own. Please understand that we all
have a responsibility here, and each of us needs to accept that, including myself. My comments are
specific to the removal of trees between the Samoset Motel and the Coach House Restaurant. I have
a real concern regarding the damage that would occur to not only the aesthetics of this area, but to
the watershed after removing a mature stand of predominantly white pine, between the Samoset and
the Coach House. These trees provide year round benefits with respect to our air and water quality,
in addition to acting as a beautiful natural sound barrier. This is just one small aspect of the Park’s
plan that I have concerns with. We can co-exist, but not as such extremes as what’s being proposed.
Watershed quality cannot help but be effected. Water quality. What will become of the lake where I
grew up and still today provides me with so much inner peace? Noise and air pollution generated
from increased pedestrian and automotive traffic has to increase as well. Aesthetics, if nothing else,
will be greatly effected, in an adverse way. Please, I’m truly scared of what’s about to happen. This
Board has the means to do this right. I believe in you, each one of you. Please don’t make me wish
that I was wearing a purple ribbon tonight, this evening, rather than a blue one, as though it were in
memory of Glen Lake, rather than in support of it. Thank you so very much for your time.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Paul Derby.
PAUL DERBY
MR. DERBY-Good evening. My name is Paul Derby. I live at 86 Ash Drive. That’s on Glen Lake.
I apologize in advance, because I’m going to be winging it a bit. I have a prepared statement. I’m
going to be chopping it and moving it, and the reason for that is because I just received some advice
from a stormwater runoff expert, an opinion, and I’ve tried to add some of these things in here. So
I’ll be cutting mine and putting that in. This leads me to the first issue to actually the timing of
public comment. This DGEIS took the applicant several months to compile and evaluate, and
contains a lot of data, complicated text that needs to be reviewed and analyzed by the public, and by
our qualified experts, and I ask the Board at this time if you will consider giving the public additional
time to prepare adequate comments. Obviously, we’re not going to get through all the people that
are here tonight. If there’s no additional public hearings granted, will the Board at least allow
additional extended time for written comments, I propose another 60 days if possible. First, I’d like
to go to the comments that I received from this water expert. He didn’t have much time to look at
the data, but these are some of his comments. Number One, looking at the stormwater runoff, he
said that the Park should have included Park Area A along with it’s proposed new development for
Park Area C, in its analysis, they needed to do a total stormwater management plan. This is
important. He suggests that to mitigate this, they could still do what he called a retrofit stormwater
management plan in Park Area A, with minimal analysis, it would take some time to do, but we ask
the Board if they would require that this be done. Second suggestion, the Park Area C parking lot
should not be paved. The suggestion, again, was that paving the ring roads is probably a good idea
to get traffic in, but instead of using pavement on the parks, he suggested technology, and I’ll just tell
you what it is. This is actually from a company called Gravel Pave II, and I can pass this but I need it
back, actually what it is is a kind of block that allows the water to pass through. You can then put
the blocks down with the stormwater management that they want to do. The water will run through.
You can put dirt on it then and then actually put a lawn on it. This is the orange bowl, this picture
up here, which they park on, the road’s coming in and then parking. I’ll just hand that.
MR. MAC EWAN-I’d ask you, when you’re done, Mr. Derby, could you just give it to Staff, so that
can be made part of the record, please.
MR. DERBY-Okay. Then I’ll turn it in with the written comment.
MR. MAC EWAN-Okay. Thank you.
MR. DERBY-Okay, and the reason for this is not only for better stormwater management, which
you said would happen, but also it’ll look better. So you have environmental and aesthetic qualities.
As far as the sewer treatment plant, a better alternative for that would be to run those sewer lines, I
know there’s political problems with that, but the risk potential to Glen Lake, all the watershed, is far
higher if you put a treatment plant there, then if you had no effluent going there at all. So we suggest
and we ask the Board to have them further look into this. Also, we haven’t referred to the Glen
Lake Watershed Management Plan, which the Town Board adopted, I believe, two years ago, and in
that plan, it requires that management within the Watershed use, it doesn’t require, but it suggests,
what’s called a Utra Mod Model, which is in there for modeling development. That has not been
done in this DGEIS, and we suggest that you do. We ask if the Board will ask them to do the Utra
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Mod Model. Again, The Great Escape could run this. We could give them the model, and that
would help us have a better idea what’s going on. I’m going to skip ahead and look at noise, because
noise effects me. I live on Ash Drive, it’s close to the lake, and let me just read from the DGEIS,
Page 3-34, which states, and I’m quoting, “With respect to the measured sound readings, topography
is very important. With reference to Section 4.8, the figure entitled, “Line of Sight Profiles”, it can be
seen that the Glen Lake shore monitoring point does not have a clear “line of sight” from the Park
or major potential noise source such as the I-87 corridor. As can be seen from the Glen Lake
monitoring results in particular, even though a monitoring point may be physically very close to the
Park or another noise source, existing intervening topography such as a hill is very effective in
limiting noise propagation.” However, regarding where the monitored site was placed, it was placed
on Birdsall, as already has been mentioned, behind a hill that’s there. As Don Milne said, there’s
been no noise complaints from that area. The selected place was inadequate. However, a
topography map will show that while a hill blocks this small area, those six or seven households,
there is a clear auditory line of sight that does exist from the Park over the wetlands to the inlet bay
of the lake, immediately to the north of their chosen monitored site. This is obvious enough if one
were to stand upon the bike path bridge at the inlet to the lake, look to the west toward the Park then
turn around and look back to the east toward the lake. There’s no hill there. There are trees but
there is nothing to block that noise. While the distances to Ash Drive where I live, Canterbury,
Birch, Chestnut, etc. are further from the monitoring site, noise from the Park to these locations has
a relatively clear line of sight. In my home on Ash Drive, and for many others to whom I’ve spoken,
noise from the Park, in particular from the Bobsled, really does exist. I’ve heard it. My wife’s heard
it. We have called and complained about it over the last three years, and they should have that on
record. Further, in addition, in the past, my wife and I have attended Town Planning Board meetings
and offered space on our property for an audible noise monitoring site. If we go to the minutes, we
can find that. I ask the Board, will you compel the applicant to amend this draft with additional
audible noise studies at appropriate sites on Glen Lake where actual noise from the Park has been
noted, and again, I offer my property for such a site, gladly, because we can hear it. It was loud
today. Now the applicant may argue that their 1999 testing was set up to copy the same sites as the
1990 test to do a comparative data to show change in noise level. However, there are several
inadequacies in this argument. Number One, the 1999 study added an additional monitoring site
within the Park to get more and better data. Why wasn’t, or couldn’t additional monitoring sites be
placed along Glen Lake to get more and better data. They could be and they should be. I’ll skip
ahead, and this is very important. The applicant did not follow its own plan, as stated in the Scoping
Document, which states that, and I quote, “The noise levels to be produced by the Park within the
adjacent DGEIS study area, as a result of the cumulative impacts such as increased traffic,
loudspeakers, more rides, if any, of Park attendance shall be modeled using data gathered by the
consultants. Such modeling shall consider the effects of the properties across Glen Lake that may be
effected by noise carrying over water.” Page Four, Scoping Document. Ladies and Gentlemen, not
a single study, nor noise impact effect, nor model was attempted regarding noise carrying over water.
Why not? Again, the applicant failed to follow some instructions. Will this Board make the
applicant go back and fulfill the conditions of its own Scoping Document? The applicant also makes
the bold conclusion, on Page 421 of the DGEIS, that “there is no causal relationship between
growth and visitor attendance, the corresponding levels of general Park operations as contemplated
by the proposed Project and increases in audible noise impacts in the receptor neighborhoods.” This
statement I know is incorrect. I hear it, and I ask the Board to reject the conclusion, given the
testimony from the many people that you’ve heard here this evening. Finally, I’d like to address a
quick point that has not been addressed so far. This concerns Ash Drive and Glen Lake Road
residents, and that part is the electricity project. The Park claims that it will need additional electrical
service for their proposed expansion project. The first option for additional electricity is to run
higher 50 foot electricity poles with more cross tiers and thicker power lines along Ash Drive, it’s
Ash Drive, not Road, and Glen Lake Road, see Section 2 and 7 of the DGEIS. This Environmental
Impact Statement claims such a change is within the current visual character of the area. However, a
closer look at that proposed path shows that this action will require the removal of many existing
trees, and/or cutting back of many, many branches along Ash Drive and Glen Lake Road. This
certainly will radically alter the visual character of our neighborhoods which I find unacceptable.
Before this option for additional electrical power is granted, will the Board walk this proposed line
along Ash Drive and Glen Lake Road to observe the impacts that it will have on our community.
Further, as an alternative mitigating measure, will the Board and the applicant consider burying these
electrical lines? This is their proposed action within the Park, and as they state, they do it for
functional and for aesthetic reasons. For the same reasons, these alternatives ought to be considered
on our public roads. They say it will be cost prohibitive, but I think the money’s there, and that may
solve that problem. I wish to thank the Board. I don’t envy your task. This is an important
decision. All I ask is that you weigh all the options and be fair minded, and we appreciate it. Thank
you very much.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Lorraine Stein is next, and would Bernard Watkins and Dale Nemer
get ready. Okay, Lorraine.
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LORRAINE STEIN
MS. STEIN-Hi. My name is Lorraine Stein, and in the interest of time, most of the items I was
going to address have already been addressed. So I’m not going to get into what I was going to
originally say. I just wanted to make two comments. I also agree that we have not had enough time
to review the document, based on the fact that it, the size of the document and the technical data
that is incorporated in it. So I also request that the Board allow more time to review it, and I also
want just to remind that Board that before you make your final decisions that, if approved, all these
impacts caused by the expansion project will be irreversible. So I just want you to weigh that heavily
when you make your decision. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Bernard Watkins.
BERNARD WATKINS
MR. WATKINS-Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board, I want to thank you for the opportunity
you’ve provided this evening. I am a 30 year summer resident of Glen Lake. My children have
grown up here. Many of them worked at The Great Escape or Story Town, as it was known then,
but I have a great concern about what’s happening to this area, and I feel that the effort that is being
made by The Great Escape is not surprising, since they are in business and if I were them, I would
try to propose something that would give me as much flexibility as I could have. So I have no great
quarrel with what they did, but I think our responsibility, and specifically yours, is to make sure that
we don’t create a monster which, in effect, will take that little postage stamp of land and devour it.
It’s really a very small area that we’re talking about, and we’re talking about convening thousands
upon thousands of people in that one spot, and we’re talking about impacting the lives of people
who live here year round and who are here for the summer months. So I’d ask you to carefully think
about, and I’m sure that you will, what’s going to happen. I would ask you to propose, perhaps, to
the people from Great Escape, that some sort of a time line, which I did not see included in here and
may not have been necessary as part of their proposal, but what would go on line, and when. If they
were going to put in the sewage treatment center, when that would, in effect, come on line, when
would the traffic be expanded, and what sort of controls would the Town Board have after they
began to incrementally allow this expansion. If they were to say that if these conditions are met then
step two can be taken. If those conditions are met, then step three can be taken, but I cannot
imagine how you could safeguard all of the concerns that have been expressed here tonight by giving
some sort of a blanket approval at this time. I just don’t think it would be possible, no matter how
much study is done or what kinds of recommendations are made. I think that the work that has
been done by this community, in promoting the wonder of this area, and if you look around in a 200
foot ride, and then you look at the mountains that are around us and how we kind of co-mingle
those ideas, it is very difficult for me to understand. I want The Great Escape to remain. I think it’s
been great for this area, but I don’t think that it should be allowed to expand as is being proposed
here. I think the environment of that area could not handle it. I don’t believe it’s good for this
community. So I respectfully ask that the Board seriously consider reducing the expectations that
have been established by The Great Escape. Give them an opportunity to do some of the things that
would be, help them to promote their business, but not to devastate this area. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Dale Nemer is next, and would Marianne McNeil and Max Urenda get ready.
DALE NEMER
MRS. NEMER-Hi. Thank you for this opportunity to comment. Noise is our family’s number one
concern. Frankly, day to day, the screams and other related noise emitted from the Park are
tolerable, but the racket produced by the Bobsled ride is deafening and disturbing, both from our
yard, in our home, and when we are on the golf course at the local country club. I’m aware that
modifications were made to the machine. However, there is no perceptible decrease in the noise.
The vast difference in noise pollution between the times the ride runs and does not run is enormous.
Question. What strides has the Town made in developing and implementing a Noise Ordinance to
preserve the character of our area. Question. Has the Town considered an Ordinance to restrict the
volume of noise at certain hours, i.e. seven or eight p.m., bedtime hours for children, and some
oldsters, too. I’m curious if The Great Escape has considered moving toward virtual reality rides that
are being added at other theme parks, an indoor experience obviously easier on neighbor’s ears, and
less vulnerable to rainy summer days. Question. Has the Town examined the proposed new ride
slated to be built near the perimeter of the Park. Question. Has the Town considered requiring
cement or concrete barrier walls to protect the environment against noise, such as Bush Gardens,
Universal Studios and Knox Berry Farm. They have moved in this direction to protect neighboring
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areas. Speaking of noise, we’re concerned as to the potential increase in traffic noise from the
Adirondack Northway, as a result of the proposed enlarged parking lot and the cutting down of land
and trees, a natural buffer on the land adjacent to the Northway. It appears that there is sufficient
parking available now, as many spots seem to go unused each day. Question. Has the Town
Planning Board adequately examined the impact of the proposed expanded lot, in terms of the
heavily wooded buffer outlined in the Town Master Plan Neighborhood Seven, Page Eight? The
proposed buffer will not protect neighbors from Northway noise. Instead of what is, in effect, clear
cutting of the land on the west side of Route 9, has the Town considered the creation of a parking
garage? In addition, from my reading of the report, it appears that few islands of trees and bushes
are being built to replace the cut trees. No doubt the character of the area, both in terms of driving
on Route 9 and from a variety of visual vantage points, i.e. Prospect Mountain, the bike path, will be
negatively effected. Also, cement parking lots cause heat retention and stormwater runoff.
Question. Have these issues been addressed by the Planning Board. Another question. Where is the
spoil from the clear cut going? This is not clear from the report. Traffic is a big concern, and it
became an even bigger concern these last two years when we were teaching our two daughters to
drive. It is virtually impossible to make a left hand turn out of Montray, Round Pond and Kendrick
Roads between four and six-thirty p.m. Hence, people are driving circuitous routes to avoid this
snarl. Question. Has the Town Planning Board considered the secondary impact and ripple effect of
traffic on secondary roads, including the aforementioned roads, as well Haviland Road, the Orchard
Park area, Route 149, and Bay Road? Question. Speaking of secondary effects,. Specifically how
have local fire, rescue, police and ambulance services responded to the report? The character of our
area, from pine scented pillows to the famed Adirondack chair, to the world famous photos of
Nathan Farb, to the Adirondack Magazine, all of these boast of our home area’s natural and serene
beauty. We are indeed a tourist Mecca. I venture to say, and I hope, that more people travel to our
region to enjoy and partake in the natural outdoors than an amusement park. However, there is
room for both, although let us not forget what was here first. It’s my family’s great hope that The
Great Escape’s corporation does not effect what was here first, and that the corporation will, in all of
their expansion plans, respect the quality of the local air, noise, water and vistas from public and
private areas. From what I’ve read, with some creativity, The Great Escape and its designers and
planners can add rides and attractions that can be exciting, yet sensitive to local ears and the
environment and in other words, not as loud as the Bobsled. I certainly wish I had had sufficient
time and expertise to read and synthesize the report. An extension of time is in order, as summer
finds many of us not at home. I request an extension, maybe three months. Thank you for your
attention, but I have a procedural question. We’ve all asked many questions tonight. When do we
get the answers? Who answers our questions specifically, when, is it in writing?
MR. MAC EWAN-Mark or Chris?
MR. SCHACHNER-The answer to the question, Mrs. Nemer, is that this step tonight, the public
hearing is one step in a process, under a law called the New York State Environmental Quality
Review Act, or SEQRA. After the close of the public comment period, which is September 12,
th
after which written comments can be received until then, it will be incumbent upon the applicant
first, with the assistance of the Town’s consultants, to prepare a draft of a new document called a
Final Environmental Impact Statement. One of the principal components of that document will be a
section called Responses to comments on the Draft Environmental Impact Statement. At that time,
it will be up to the Planning Board, which is called the SEQRA Lead Agency, to decide whether it
believes that the entire draft Final Environmental Impact Statement, including the responses to
comments, are appropriate, and this will be a process that will evolve over a period, probably, of
several months.
MRS. NEMER-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Marianne McNeil.
MS. MC NEIL-Mr. Chairman and Members of the Board. Well, this morning I knew it was nine
o’clock, because I heard the roar of the Alpine Bobsled. I said, well, I have two choices. I can close
my window and put the fan on, but that’s not why I live at Glen Lake. I want to hear and I want to
see the birds and everything else, but the Alpine Bobsled drowns it out, and I said, well, now my day
will go off, and it will be the roar of a jet, that’s how I would equate the Alpine Bobsled, then silence
and then the roar of the jet again. This will go on all day long unless I want to sit in the house with
everything closed up. Heaven forbid I should go out on my screen porch, or I should go down on
the dock, because then it would be magnified even more. Now, to me, this would be a significant
impact. They don’t seem to think it is, but I think it is, and when I’ve just heard now that it’s been
three years since people have been complaining about the noise from the Alpine Bobsled, I want the
Board to see if there are any other Bobsleds in the Country or somewhere else that are quieter.
Maybe this Alpine Bobsled is incapable of making a quiet noise, of course that’s a contradiction. So,
I think I’d like to have them do that, and I really feel sorry for people who have children, because we
all know that extra loud noise, over a long period of time, is damaging to your hearing, and as far as
the traffic, when I sit on my porch at night, and it’s very quiet, I can hear the traffic from the
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Northway now. If they’re going to remove all the trees and all the hills and everything that goes with
it, it’s going to be a lot larger, and as the woman previously stated, if you care to go out on Route 9,
maybe between four and six, forget it. You can’t get on Route 9. Not only do people block the road
from Glen Lake onto Route 9, they won’t let you out. So now our whole family has been forced to
go over Glen Lake Road, out to Bay Road, and we call it going the back way. So strangers have
come. They have changed our life and no one’s doing anything about it, and my problem is, if they
can’t correct the problems that exist now, I cannot believe you’re going to sit here and let them
create more problems for us, and I also hope the Board is aware that Six Flags, now, is in the red.
They are not making money. They’ve been losing money, and I hope they don’t get this plan with
the sewage half built, and then say to us, well, if you don’t want us to ruin your air and your water,
you better give us some tax payer money so that we can finish this. So I hope that agreement is put
in there, that you get 100% money from them, not asking the taxpayers to do it. Thank you very
much for your patience.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Max Urenda, please, and would Linda Whitty and John Salvador be ready.
AUDIENCE MEMBER
AUDIENCE MEMBER-Max has submitted a letter.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay.
MR. MAC EWAN-Okay. Next speaker, let’s move on.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Then Linda Whitty, please.
LINDA CLARK WHITTY
MRS. WHITTY-My name is Linda Clark Whitty. I’ve lived on Glen Lake for 30 years. Before I
begin, might I say that 45 speakers with an estimate of 10 minutes each, that, to me, is seven and a
half hours of listening. That’s not reasonable or fair to anyone in this room or even to you. I’m
speaker number 23, by the way. Now I remember Story Town, simple, sweet little Park. Wetlands
we called the swamp when we were kids. We used to go back in there with our canoe. We could go
as far as Jungle Land, and actually see the people walking over the little bridges in Jungle Land. We
could snorkel at Glen Lake, and we could find a clear fishing line, and follow that fishing line to the
very end, and get a lure off the end of it. That’s what I remember. Since then, increased noise. Our
environment has changed drastically, in terms of that Bobsled ride. I’ve seen filling in of the
wetlands. I’ve seen clear cutting of trees along the wetlands, especially between the Trading Post and
The Great Escape. I’ve seen a drastic change in the water quality. Don’t try and snorkel. You can’t
see anything anymore. Now, I’m hearing you say, now I see parking along the wetlands, where
parking was promised that it would never happen. They park in there. I see an increased dumping
of runoff water into the lake. I am now hearing about a proposed sewage treatment plant, which
brings more phosphorus in the lake, leading to algae blooms, an increased proposal of noise, with a
200 foot roller coaster, designed to make people scream, an increased clear cutting of what is left of
the trees around this Park and increased offensive change in the visual environment of our
neighborhood. These are just a few of my many concerns. What does Premier Parks want? They
want Six Flags in our neighborhood. Six Flags Parks, around this Country, are surrounded by many
acres of land buffering the noise between the Park and surrounding neighborhoods. That does not
exist in this case. Bottom line, Six Flags Park cannot comfortably fit into this neighborhood. I am
reminded, now, of a song, some lyrics, Oh, you know, you need to know, you don’t know what
you’ve got ‘till it’s gone. They’ve paved paradise, and put up a parking lot. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-John Salvador? I just saw John. He left?
MR. MAC EWAN-Okay. Next speaker.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Andrew Patnode, and then Robert Tompkins and Herb Levin.
ANDREW PATNODE
MR. PATNODE-Member of the Board, my name’s Andrew Patnode, W.W. Patnode Sons. I
represent a company who does a lot of work for The Great Escape. We love to see them expand
and bring more events to our area so that we can do work for them. They’re a great corporate
neighbor, excellent company to work for. I think one thing that people forget in this auditorium is
that everyone has to work somewhere. We’re constantly looking for new industry, new places for
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new jobs, how can we bring somebody into our area. Well, you’re looking at them right here behind
me. Most of the commerce that takes place in the Town of Queensbury is from people traveling,
coming some place to look at something, to go to an amusement park, to see Lake George, to go on
the Minnie Ha Ha. The way that The Great Escape can keep people coming to see them is by
putting new events, new rides, new shows, and different things to, not just to bring travelers from
long distances, but to keep people interested that are in their own neighborhood. The other thing I
want to touch on is that I’ve heard a lot of people say that, well, my kids work there, and they’re a
good place for my kids to work, or what not, but it’s not just kids’ jobs, it’s not just summer jobs.
It’s many full time jobs, not to mention construction jobs. There’s a lot of construction workers in
our area who need more places to work. I am sure that most of the problems that people in this
room tonight had with their plan can be resolved. Water can be treated, and it can be made clean.
Sound problems can be reduced. The trees that they’re worried about for parking lots, landscaping
can be done. More trees can be planted, only in different areas, and may I add that it is construction
workers that would do all those things. Obviously, I’m a little one sided on this, because we enjoy all
the work that The Great Escape provides for us, and it’s not during just the hours that the Park is
open or the months that the Park is open. It’s in the off season times. This year alone we, I
probably had, our company had 20 to 25 people working at The Great Escape for three months, all
high paying construction jobs. It’s hard to find those things in the Northeast, and you certainly don’t
want to lose the opportunities when you have them. So I think that through a little bit of work on
The Great Escape side, and a little bit of work on the Town of Queensbury side, we could come to a
resolution and figure out a way to go forward on this, and I hope it happens. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Robert Tompkins?
MR. MAC EWAN-Next speaker.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Herb Levin.
HERB LEVIN
MR. LEVIN-My name is Herb Levin. I live on Birch Road, on the shores of Glen Lake. I’d like to
thank the Board for their time, and for allowing me to get up and stretch. I’d be more than happy,
incidentally, to give up a minute of my time so everyone can get up and stretch, if it’s okay with you
guys.
MR. MAC EWAN-Continue right on. We’re ready to go here.
MR. LEVIN-Okay. I tried. When Mr. Wood purchased the site and began developing the Park, the
word ecology was not yet coined. Wetland and environmental concerns were minimal. Filling in the
swamp was the way to make use of this site. Now we all know better. We know that environmental
damage to sensitive areas is wrong, yet here we are tonight deciding not only will we accept the
previous ecological damage, but very likely, due to planned expansion and increased use, I would
expect a further decline of our environment. Let’s look at the current activity of the Park owners.
Let’s consider the current record. I’m concerned that the Park owners have done nothing to isolate
current parking from critical wetland areas. Currently, autos and other vehicles are allowed to park
and possibly leak toxins right into the banks of the wetlands. This is allowed, despite currently
adequate parking. An expanding water park rests right on top of the aquifer, the Fen. I would
assume that such water parks use chemically treated water, and this chemically treated water drains
right into the soils of this wetland. I am concerned that no attempt has been made to correct
previous encroachments, and these environmental areas are allowed to remain. I offer suggestions to
the Town Planners. Require greater and increased buffers between the Watershed and all aspects of
the development, especially parking. I urge lower impact parking systems, similar to the Bronx Zoo.
Leave the trees, park between them. Don’t clear cut. Don’t pave the area. If the expansion is
approved, please require the correction of previous environmental mistakes. For instance, require
the removal of the recycled asphalt layer dumped in the sandpit north of the Park. Incidentally, this
area slopes and drains into the wetland. It should not be allowed to remain. Please require this
return, and all other environmental mistakes, to be changed to the ecological well being. I ask you to
please limit the height and the sound production of all rides and all future rides. Last night, I was
walking my dog, actually, it was early evening. I listened to a symphony of crickets and frogs, along
with the slight hum of Northway traffic. All of a sudden, I was very nervous at the thought that
future strolls would be punctuated by the screams of the roller coaster riders as they crest the peaks
of the proposed giant rides. That thought scared me. I wish I could believe all the consultants and
the experts, but sadly, it wouldn’t surprise me that, if allowed, the proposed development will cause
further contamination of the lake and our neighborhoods. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
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MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Next speaker is Laurie Graves, and after Laurie is Diane Hayes and
Virginia Etu.
LAURIE GRAVES
MS. GRAVES-Good evening. My name is Laurie Graves from Ash Drive on Glen Lake. I’m not an
environmental engineer, but I do know what I hear, and I do hear the noise. I do know what I will
see if they do put a 200 foot roller coaster in, and along with being able to see that, I will also be able
to hear that. I don’t want to be able to go out to my front yard, sit on my dock, and have to look at a
roller coaster as I look toward the inlet of the lake. I don’t go along with the clear cutting of all the
trees. The Association has worked very hard on the stormwater management, to protect the lake,
and it does encompass a very large area in the Town of Queensbury, and clear cutting these trees is
detrimental to that. I have a problem with the traffic on Route 9. As one lady mentioned, turning
around on Glen Lake Road and heading back out toward Bay Road, going the back way, is almost
the only option that you have to come out of Glen Lake Road and take a left turn, it’s just not
possible. The people won’t stop and let you go out. So you either have to take a right hand turn, go
up into the County Center and circle around to hit the light to make a left hand turn. It’s not fair to
the people to have to do this. I don’t agree with them paving the parking lot. There has to be other
alternatives to this. There needs to be drainage there, and there are other ways that that can be
accomplished. The Board has to scrutinize the plans that The Great Escape has. I’m not against
The Great Escape. I went to Story Town when I was a little girl. I’ve gone to The Great Escape as
an adult and had a lot of fun. They are a business, and I realize that. We’re not saying that they can’t
expand, but it has to be scrutinized and controlled. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Diane Hayes?
DIANE HAYES
MS. HAYES-Hi. I’m Diane Hayes. I grew up on Glen Lake. I spent my first 25 years there. Just
like Linda Whitty, we used to take our small boats and go up the creek, all the way up to Animal
Land, and I might have been one of those people you saw going over the hill. We used to swim right
near Route 9. There was a very large, cold pool of water where we used to swim right off of the
boat, just the small boat, and you know what’s there now? It is a parking lot, and ever since they put
that sand in on the east side of Route 9, that was when you began not to be able to see with your
snorkel, and you couldn’t dive for coins when your relatives would come to visit and throw coins
down, but nobody knew, nobody knew then that by putting that sand there they were going to have a
drastic effect on the lake, but we know now, and you guys have to protect us, because this Impact
Study has very many falsehoods in it. I just have a couple of other things. Concerning the rides, I’d
really like for the rides to be below the tree line, and when you guys talked about having extra power
lines and putting in taller and larger poles along the Glen Lake Road and I’m assuming along the Bike
Path, that’s just a beautiful area there, and it would really destroy the whole look of it, to say nothing
of looking across toward West Mountain and seeing nothing but a ride sticking up. I think removal
of the trees from the Animal Land and the Samoset Motel area is just plain wrong. How can anyone
think removal of these trees will not have an impact on noise or erosion, or the nutrient runoff? It
doesn’t take an engineer to know common sense things. Much of what is in this draft seems not
complete or not completely thought through. More time is necessary for the review of this huge
document. Our area must remain preserved. Let’s find the right way to have those fun rides and
attract tourists without doing harm. We, the public, are relying on you to find the right way to
proceed with this expansion. I’d like to recommend an extension for comments, both verbal and
written, for 30 or 60 more days. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Thank you. Virginia Etu, please.
MR. MAC EWAN-Next speaker.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Robert Hughes, and after Robert Hughes, Michael J. O’Connor, and
Karen Sabo.
ROBERT HUGHES
DR. HUGHES-Hi. I’m Robert Hughes. I should mention a conflict of interest. I own property on
Glen Lake, and I’ve been a lifelong summer resident, for my entire 44 years, and I, too, would like to
just support most of the comments. That lake has changed a lot, and I don’t think it’s been for the
better. I see a lot of suits are being paid to sit here, but I also see an awful lot of people who are here
at their own expense and their own personal sacrifice, and I think there’s a lot more of those. I think
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it’s important to remember one thing, that this is exploitation. This type of industry is big business.
It ends up becoming a large drain on the community. It really does not bring money into a
community, it takes it out. That money no longer re-circulates in the community, and therefore
becomes a major drain. That’s just basic economics. I think there’s other issues. I think the fact
that they have that Bobsled ride shows a total lack of sensitivity and a lack of concern for the
neighbors and the neighborhood and this community as a whole. That ride does sound like thunder
on Glen Lake. I also feel that their example of not being willing to tie in or contribute to the sewer
system proves that lack of community orientation. As for environmental concerns, I reiterate many
of the fears that people have voiced about the sense pollutions that have been going on here. As an
Odolarangologist, I warn you all that auditory pollution can be vastly more emotionally damning than
visual pollution. You must continue to enforce visual height and sound restrictions. I really don’t
think we need this kind of growth here. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Thank you.
MICHAEL O’CONNOR
MR. O'CONNOR-Good evening. I’m Michael O’Connor. I reside at 546 Glen Street. I also have a
year round home on Glen Lake. I’ve been a resident of Glen Lake, either part time or year round
basis, since 1953. I’d like to thank the Board for persisting that The Great Escape file this DGEIS. I
think the Board took the right approach in requiring the applicant to do it, as opposed to looking at
what they’ve been doing or going to do on a part time or on a piecemeal basis as applications come
in. I’m a little confused, and maybe the Board will sometime either informally or formally, explain to
us what approval of the final draft will mean, because I don’t understand that there’s an actual
application before the Board at this time, unless this is to be considered an application, and I don’t
think that’s true. I’m wondering what level of review will be required in the future, when they get
more specific as to what they propose, and that should be spelled out in any resolution or acceptance
of this, so that there’s not a question later that we’ve already gone over that base and we don’t need
to go back to it. I think in fairness to the applicant, that should be set forth, as well as to those that
have concerns. I also think the applicant, for its efforts to date, and I’ll say I do not oppose The
Great Escape. I think they, as owners of a business, have rights. It’s a matter of balancing their
rights and those that they will effect by their proposed expansion. I think that that can be done. I
think that they have a very positive impact on the community, particularly economically, and I think
that a partnership can be worked out, so that everybody can co-exist. I have spoken only briefly to
some of the representatives of the applicant, and I thank them for being open with me, and I might
suggest that they stipulate to a further written response time to allow everybody the opportunity to
make the examination, and consult with experts, if they think it’s in their interest to do so, and I
think that would ease a lot of the concerns that are out here, that it took a year to put this document
together and this is certainly probably not the first draft of the document, and everybody is being
asked to respond to it in a very short time period. I do have concerns, though, which I would like to
have part of the record, and my main concern is the proposed package plant for sewage. I just don’t
like package plants. I am not an engineer and don’t pretend to be an engineer and never have on any
project that I’ve worked on, but I do remember the failures of the Lake George Village package
plant, failures of the Bolton package plant, and even I think Bayberry town houses, which are now
screaming to hook up to City sewers because what was then the state of the art, what was then going
to work, what is not now working. I think that probably what is proposed is an improvement over
the present septic systems that are there and about in different places, and serve different portions of
the present operation, but I still think that what’s proposed, at least in my mind, as layman in that
area, is a Band-Aid approach. I think The Great Escape should be required to hook up to the Glens
Falls Sewer System. I think if you go back a little bit when Wal-Mart came into Town, they paid for
the line extension, which now goes up to as far as Gambles, or across the street from Gambles.
They paid for the one time sign up fee to the City of Glens Falls, and the applicant didn’t include
every property owner from the point of extension to the end of the line. What they did is they made
whole every property owner. There were some people that said, well, some people along Route 9
don’t want to be included in this sewer district. What they made it, they took an easement from
people, and they made it optional whether or not the people would be included in the extension or
not included in the extension, but they did allow a stub for everybody. In fact, they paid for
everybody’s expenses. They paid for expenses of Mr. Wood. He owned two pieces of property,
which he chose, initially, not to have in the first extension of that sewer district, but they paid for his
out of pocket expenses, as part of that extension for Wal-Mart. I think the Town Board and the City
need to get together to make this possible. I understand the concerns that have been raised about
time, but I’ve also heard and saw in the DEIS, or in the draft before you, that they believe that they
have enough sewer capacity to operate, almost to the point of their full extension. So there doesn’t
seem to be any rush to run to the package plant. There’s no need to do it immediately. I think that
they should allow the time to fully explore this possibility. I think everybody here, and I will do the
same, and I speak only as an individual, should contact the Town Supervisor and the Town Board,
the Mayor and the Common Council for the City, and tell them to get together and resolve the
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problems with the sewer cooperation, so that this is a real possibility, and it becomes an alternative. I
think if The Great Escape is hooking its sewer into the City of Glens Falls, that alone is a great
advantage that they’re offering to all the residents on Glen Lake. It will avoid what will happen when
the present septic systems aren’t working as well as they work now, if they are working, but it’ll avoid
the issues in the future. That should be a fairly decent trade off. I also have a concern, though, if
they come back and say that they’re not going to do that, even the location of the present package
plant that they propose. Why are they putting it so close to the wetland? Why don’t they put it on
the west side of Route 9, either on the north end of the property or the south end of the property.
Get it as far away from the wetland as they possibly can. They will get a SPDES Permit from the
State of New York for that, and that SPDES Permit will require that they hook into any municipal
sewer that is then available. Why don’t you put it in a position where it is more likely to be hooked
up to, and less likely for the City and the Town to pay expenses to hook up to it. I understand that
where it’s located, it’s probably there because of gravity, but if they installed their own pumping
system and pumped it up to where Animal Land was, that’s much more likely to be hooked into by
the City and the Town than where it is presently located. You’d also avoid the risk of perhaps some
outflow into the wetland. My second concern is the visual impacts of the project. I’ve argued often
on behalf of people who want to construct single family homes on Glen Lake, because of our
present requirement that you can’t build a single family home on there in excess of 28 feet in height.
I don’t understand how that gets compared at all to what is being proposed here, and this is my
question, as to what is the approval, if this is approved? The best you can tell from the visual
photographs, that’s a six foot balloon or maybe a four foot balloon or a two foot balloon, at a 200
foot height, but are they talking about having a sub structure underneath it? Are they talking about it
being 100 feet long? Are they talking about it being 20 feet long? Are they talking about a peak, or
what are you talking about? I don’t think you can make an intelligent decision as to what is being
proposed or what the visual impact of it is at all, based upon what you have in the document before
you. I also understand that the photographs before you have not been touched up, if you will, by
computer, as to what effect removal of existing vegetation will have on them. What you have is just
present photos. They don’t take into account future clearing of the vegetation that is shown in the
photos, and you can do that by computer generation, and you can do it from a three angle point of
view, and you can tell, very practically, what, in the future, you would see from something being
constructed when you’ve cleared out the land underneath to build this 200 foot ride. Okay. So, they
also don’t have receptors from points that I think are important. There are two view sheds that I’m
concerned about, one is from the patio of the Glens Falls Country Club, or the first tee of the Glens
Falls Country Club, or out in the lake, or down by the island on the lake. They have nothing there.
Lastly, I’m concerned about sheet drainage. I applaud their effort. Apparently they are going to put
some fill in finally, in the parking lot that’s below the restaurant. I wonder, though, how they are
pitching it. When I asked a couple of questions briefly in the hall, I was told that some of these
things haven’t been engineered yet. So, again, I wonder what is the extent of what you are approving
as a Generic Draft Environmental Impact Statement, as opposed to a project environmental impact
statement. Thank you for your time, and thank you for your efforts.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Karen Sabo.
KAREN SABO
MS. SABO-Hi. I’m Karen Sabo. I live on Twicwood Lane, and I want to thank you for the
opportunity to express my views. Many of my concerns are ones that have already been mentioned,
but I do want to say that I am very concerned over the increase in the noise coming from The Great
Escape over the past two years. Between the Comet, the Alpine Bobsled, special event concerts, and
the daily Elvis impersonator, my neighborhood’s been involuntarily bombarded with noise, and I also
want to say I’m very concerned when I read the DGEIS, that it concluded that the acoustical and,
from their study, it concluded that the acoustical environment and the background noise levels have
not significantly changed over the past decade. I think the DGEIS should realistically acknowledge
that there is a current noise problem, and a strong potential for more negative noise impacts from
the 200 foot roller coaster that’s proposed. I think the DGEIS should include sound studies and
proposals involving sound walls and/or other measures that they should be taking to address this
issue, but it doesn’t. Also, the overwhelming noise heard by the neighbors from the concerts and the
special events at The Great Escape was not studied in the DGEIS. All that was mentioned was that
the concert noise was not a problem, and anyone whose windows shook from the Christian Rock
Concert last year and hears Jailhouse Rock all the time can tell you that it is a problem, and the other
really, really big concern I have is the extensive removal of trees on the west side of Route 9, and as
Dale mentioned earlier, it’s in direct conflict with the Town of Queensbury’s adopted Master Plan,
which recommends that the west side of Route 9 “Maintain the existing heavily wooded buffer
between the properties and the Northway”, and as the residents in the neighborhood on the east side
of Route 9 have told The Great Escape and the Town, they can now hear the Northway, since The
Great Escape removed some mature trees on the former Animal Land property. Because of the
increased Northway noise from the removal of a relatively small number of trees, it should be
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obvious that the clear cutting large areas of dense woods would cause a very serious Northway
problem to nearby neighbors. However, this potential negative impact was also not addressed in the
DGEIS, or even identified as a concern. So, essentially, the impacts from the removal of these trees
were not identified as a potential problem. So the possibility of a parking garage was not addressed,
nor was the possibility of sound walls along the Northway, and there is no mention of rearranging
the connecting road and parking lots or decreasing the number of parking spaces needed in order to
preserve some of the wooded buffer on the west side of the property, and when reviewing the EIS,
the Town must weigh evenly the economic, social, and environmental impacts of the proposed
project. The DGEIS has already concluded that the economic and physical benefits “far outweigh
the minor and insignificant adverse impacts”. I don’t see how a conclusion can be reached if many
of the potential impacts haven’t even been addressed. Although the economic benefits are outlined
in this document, I cannot find where the public need for this project was discussed. Does the Town
have such a need for this project that it is willing to sacrifice its neighborhood character, wetlands,
the environment, safety, and the quality of life for its residents? During the SEQRA process, the
Planning Board will be asked if this project could result in any adverse effects associated with certain
issues such as noise, community or neighborhood character, drainage or flooding problems,
aesthetics and the communities existing plans or goals as officially adopted. The Environmental
Assessment is also required to ask “Is there likely to be controversy related to the potential adverse
environmental impacts”. Only when the Planning Board members can, in good conscience, answer
no to these questions, should a project move forward, and because of their location, by the
neighborhoods and by the critical wetlands, I think that this project, that their expansion should be
limited, if there is a potential for negative impact. As far as the DGEIS goes, I feel there are too
many critical issues that are not properly addressed or omitted entirely. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you. I think at this time what we’ll do is we’ll take a quick five minute
break, let everybody get up and stretch their legs a little bit. How’s that sound? We have about 30
more speakers, give or take, to go through, and what we’re going to do is we’re going to go until 11
o’clock. Those speakers we don’t get to tonight, we’re going to continue this public comment
tomorrow night, starting at seven o’clock, and it will be hosted at the Queensbury Activities Center,
right where we usually have our Planning Board meetings. Okay. All right. With that, let’s
announce three more.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Next is Scott Cartier, then Raymond Erb, and Karen Howe. So,
Scott, come on down. Is he here?
MR. MAC EWAN-Next speaker.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Raymond Erb.
RAYMOND ERB
MR. ERB-My name is Raymond Erb. I live at Fitzgerald Road on Glen Lake. As has been pointed
out, the deterioration of the lake has gone down in years. It’s not what it used to be, and the
wetlands, the runoff into the lake, could be very detrimental to the lake, and as far as the sewage
problem is, I agree with Mike O’Connor and George Stec. As he said, ship it out, rather than keep it
in the area, with the large amount of a sewage treatment plant. The 200 foot ride that is proposed
over a 50 foot tree line, it will definitely accelerate the sound above the tree line towards the lake, and
if you take a stone and skip it across the lake, that’s exactly what the sound does. Somebody out in a
row boat or a fishing boat, a good 200 feet off the shore, I can hear them talking. It sounds like
they’re just outside my window. So, this is what’s going to happen with that roller coaster. As well
as the sound of the coaster itself, you’re going to hear the people screaming, and it’ll keep you wide
awake. The other thing I recently saw on television was in the Saratoga Springs, where they were
talking about a noise level ordinance, and the fellow said they have a meter that the use to measure
the sound, but he said the fellow who had the meter, or knew who used the meter was no longer in
Saratoga, so they don’t use it, because no one else knows how to do it. So there is a meter available
for your new ordinance that you want to put in, as far as sound goes. Many of the other people
spoke on subjects that I would have liked to have approached, but what I’m mainly concerned with is
the land value. If the value on my land goes down, it will hurt me in the long run, but I’m quite sure
my taxes are not going to go down either. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Karen Howe.
KAREN HOWE
MS. HOWE-Good evening. It has been a long night, and I want to thank you, first, for allowing me
the opportunity to address you this evening. My name is Karen Howe, and I am a resident of
Queensbury. I was born in the Glens Falls Hospital, grew up in Twicwood, and graduated from this
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very high school. I moved to Fort Lauderdale in the early 70’s to further my career in education.
When my husband and I decided to start a family, a little late in life, there was no question where I
wanted to raise my kids, right here, Hometown USA. If it weren’t for The Great Escape as the bread
winner for my family, I would not have been able to afford to bring my family home. I serve as the
Director of Human Resources for The Great Escape, and I’m responsible for all of the recruiting of
all our full time and seasonal staff. I think it’s important to remind everyone that the Park supports
over 50 full time positions, year round, and that our seasonal jobs are counted on by hundreds of
local residents to support their families, as well as provide a learning environment for our first time
employees. Our 14 and 15 year olds have the opportunity to work with our seasoned staff members,
helping them to learn work ethic, build summer friendships, in a family oriented environment, and
allow for a wonderful mentoring process. The continued growth of the Park simply allows us to give
back to the community and allow our children, as they grow up, a place to work, so that they might
not have to leave this beautiful area, and so that they can support their families here locally. My
message has addressed issues truly from the heart, to this point, what I feel is just, or even more
important, is the overall economic impact our Park has on this community. Where would we be
today without the financial support and growth the Park brings to this community? The individual
vendors, the hotels, the businesses, the charities that all exist mainly as a result of The Great Escape’s
business, are countless. The continued growth only ensures that the continuing success will remain
there for these companies and agencies. I understand the concerns and caution, and agree with that,
but please think about the individuals, the people that could lose their jobs, or complete businesses as
a result of losing The Great Escape to this area. Just as a few points of fact about our positive
economic impact that The Great Escape’s expansion might have, let’s talk about more quality jobs.
First, payroll. Right now, in 1999, our payroll is averaging at about $5.2 million. By 2004, we’re
looking at 10.9. Our permanent full time jobs will increase from the 50 jobs now to over 100.
Seasonal jobs will increase from 1400 to over 2300. Talk about local purchases and local products
and services that are used by The Great Escape. Right now we’re spending over $6 million, expected
to be $12 million by 2004. The variety of goods and services, just as an example, I’m going to list a
couple, but certainly this list is not all inclusive, purchases and installation of maintenance, fire
extinguishers, fire alarms, security systems, construction, carpentry, skilled craftsman, paving
materials, labor, delivery and supplies of food stuff and beverages, erection and repair of fences in
and around the Park, landscaping, thematic design and painting, electricians, electrical supplies
materials, hardware and tools, signs, graphic design, communications, marketing materials, purchase
and distribution of fuel and energy, refrigeration and kitchen appliances, trucking and transportation
services, mechanical parts and repair services, decorations, decorative supplies, computer, technical
maintenance support, lumber supplies, laundry services, waste disposal, legal services, engineers,
consultants, printing services and supplies, medical services, office supplies and advertising. The list
goes on and on. Think about what The Great Escape does bring to this community, and what we’re
hoping to continue to bring. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-David Edwards? Is he here? Okay. Warren Rosenthal? And after Warren,
would Cathy DiMartino and Colonel Robert Avon get ready.
WARREN ROSENTHAL
MR. ROSENTHAL-Good evening. We’ve heard a lot of comments this evening about the concerns
related to the expansion of The Great Escape, and we’ve heard a few remarks related to the potential
economic benefits of the expansion of the Park, and I’m here tonight to talk about what we think are
some of the economic benefits of this proposed expansion, and I’m President of the Warren County
Economic Development Corporation, and I’m representing our organization here tonight, and on
August 17, our Board unanimously agreed to endorse the expansion plans of the Park, subject to
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the company adequately addressing the concerns of traffic, noise, wastewater, stormwater, visual
impact and so forth. Our organization recognizes that there are many issues surrounding this
expansion, particularly (lost words) of the Park, but we also need to remember and understand that
tourism is the primary industry of our County and of our region, and to the extent that we can
expand the tourism industry, extend its season, if not extend it, make it year round as much as
possible, then that will have a positive economic impact on the community and we’ll be able to create
better quality jobs for all the people in our community. There’s mainly four areas of impact that we
see from this expansion, payroll, purchase of goods and services, taxes, and multiplier effects. The
proposed expansion will result in 25 new full time management positions, 20 full time technical
positions, and 900 part time positions, and as was mentioned by some previous speakers, the payroll
will increase from approximately $5 million to a little over $10 million over the next five years,
making it one of the largest payrolls in the County, and frankly, in the region, and as the previous
speaker just mentioned, they’re currently purchasing $6 million in goods and services locally, which is
projected to double over the next five years, and this will directly benefit local business people and
their employees as well. The Great Escape currently pays $1 million in sales taxes. I know there was
some discussion about that by some of the previous speakers as to whether that was a significant
enough impact, relative to the amount of revenue generated by the Park, but the fact of the matter is,
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it’s still $1 million in sales tax still represents about three percent of the total sales tax paid in Warren
County. They’re also paying about $150,000 in school taxes, about $70,000 in special district taxes
and these are projected to grow, respectively, to $2 million sales taxes, $309,000 in school taxes and
about a little over $100,000 in special district taxes, again, if the proposed expansion proceeds as
discussed in the plan. Because The Great Escape draws people from a very wide radius, of the one
million visitors per year, roughly 40% stay overnight. Most visitors to The Great Escape will also
visit other attractions, patronize restaurants, and purchase goods from retailers, spending on average,
and we have a range here, we’re approximately, based on some of the surveys that have been done,
$30 to $100 per day. These dollars in turn, of course, will generate additional jobs and taxes in the
community, and finally, again, as has been mentioned by some previous speakers, The Great Escape
has continually demonstrated good corporate citizenship in the community by donating over
$100,000 to charities in the Year 2000, offering free admission to disadvantaged kids and charitable
organizations throughout the area. In short, The Great Escape is a significant economic engine for
the Town, the County and the region, and with this expansion, it will become even more so. For this
reason, our organization, the Warren County Economic Development Corporation, endorses The
Great Escape’s expansion, and recommends that the Town Planning Board accept the Draft EIS,
subject to the company implementing adequate mitigation measures, specifically related to
stormwater, wastewater, noise, visual impact. Thank you very much.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Kathy DiMartino.
KATHY DI MARTINO
MRS. DI MARTINO-Good evening, Kathy DiMartino, from Birdsall Road, Glen Lake. We’ve been
living on Glen Lake for 10 years now. It’s our secondary residence. Our primary residence is down
State, and I have to say that we’ve been to these meetings before down State. I am so proud of the
people that have been here, and the support that you’ve gotten, and the very intelligent responses
that you’ve had from so many people. I’m not going to reiterate, you know, of course, we’re very
unhappy being on Glen Lake, we’re concerned with our wastewater. We’re concerned with our lake.
I’m concerned with my property values. We’ve put a lot of money into this house. This is our
retirement plan. My husband’s self-employed, and we can see it’s going to be devalued if it continues
like this. Nobody’s against Great Escape. They’re against Great Escape’s taking advantage of the
neighborhood. My experience on Long Island, as you can tell from my accent, is that problems do
exist, especially with sound barriers. People have recommended, you’re going to put up sound walls.
Well, they don’t work, believe me. I live adjacent to Sunrise Highway, the main road on Long Island.
The State Department took a lot of property. They took down the trees and they put up 18 foot
sound barrier walls. The only problem is, the road is above the sound barrier, and being a half mile
away, you can still hear every truck, every motorcycle that passes. Now there’s more development
going on. They’ve removed some trees for the new development. The sound just keeps increasing
and increasing. By removing those trees on Route 9, you’re going to have a worse problem than
ever. Besides just the sound along. I’ve heard everything that they want to do within the Park, but I
haven’t heard, yet, even though talking about tax monies, what goes back to Queensbury. This is
where the Park is located, but the tax monies are going to Lake George. Lake George gets a lot of
tax monies from all those other hotels and things that go on there, but nothing is coming back to this
community. Nobody is addressing, I haven’t heard one thing say, well, we’ll try to do this or we’ll try
to do that. I haven’t heard any solutions there. I wasn’t aware of this entire study. In fact, I was
only notified of this meeting yesterday and decided to drive up here this morning, because I wanted
to hear what was going on. I would like you to think about having some concessions to the
community, something, some kind of fee, kick back to help the schools, to help the tax problems, to
clean up the lake. It’s not only Glen Lake. There’s other waters involved as well, that this runoff is
going to be going on to, and I thank you for your time, and I thank everybody, and I want to say how
great this is that so many people showed up and stayed. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Next speaker is Colonel Robert Avon. Is Helen Miller here? She just
left? Okay. Robert Schultz? And after Mr. Schultz, the following get ready: Marie Miller and Jeff
Bartone.
ROBERT SCHULTZ
MR. SCHULTZ-Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board, my name is Bob Schultz, and I live at 2458
Ridge Road, Queensbury. It’s shaping up to be a classic clash between commercial development
interests and environmental preservation interests. Well, reasonable people, of course, are interested
in both, and favor both. It’s just a question of balance. I would hope that the stenography transcript
would be available soon, but on computer readable material, at production costs, reproduction costs,
a buck or less for everyone, made available to everyone. In 1977, Warren County passed a
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resolution, creating the Warren County Sewer District, and Sewer Project. The project was defined
as including the construction of an incept, a sewer line with pumping stations from a point in the
Hamlet of Bolton where the existing sewer system of the Hamlet can be picked up. This line was to
extend down the west side of the lake, through the Village of Lake George, to pick up Lake George
sewage effluent, and then to the Glens Falls Sewage Treatment Plant, down Route 9. The design
includes a branch up the east side of the lake, essentially following State Route 9L to a point in the
Town of Queensbury to the vicinity of Cleverdale or Dunham’s Bay. The line is to be constructed so
that additional points of entry can be included, and so that localities along the way may create new
sewer districts, as developments occur. I was reading from the resolution. The resolution included a
survey description of the meets and bounds of the district, which of course included both sides of
the lake and the Route 9 corridor, down to Glens Falls. This project that we’re discussing tonight is
within that district. The State Environmental Quality Review Act requires a consideration of
alternatives, including alternative sites. I don’t see where the developer has included a review of
alternative sites. Dismantling the Park, the facilities that are here now, and moving them to a site,
not included in a Critical Environmental Area. The Warren County Sewer District boundaries
include two formally designated Critical Environmental Areas, Lake George and Glen Lake, and the
headwaters of Glen Lake, Rush Pond. The State Environmental Quality Review Act requires a
consideration not only of those kinds of alternatives, but the no action alternative, the requirement
that you look and consider what’s wrong with what’s there now, the project as we have it now. I
don’t know that, it doesn’t appear as though the environmental review thus far has considered either
of the alternatives, or reasonable alternatives, or the no action alternative. The Queensbury Board
has placed apparently a high priority on bringing sewers up from the south, to a point pretty close to
the Queensbury/Lake George line, and of course at the other end, they have a high priority and
they’re working to bring the sewers down from the north to the Queensbury/Lake George line. It’s
highly likely that, should a municipal sewer line be constructed, that the Park’s wastewater generating
facilities will be converted or connected to the municipal system. The Draft Generic Environmental
Impact Statement mentions the possibility of this event. I would disagree with my friend, George
Stec, you would not want to lightly consider placing a municipal sewer line down Route 9. People
shouldn’t forget that municipal sewer lines induce development. So whereas development is now
limited by the soils and surrounding surface waters, all of that, I mean that limitation, that restraint,
disappears with the construction of a municipal sewer system. If people think the existing planned
expansion is going to cause adverse impacts, they haven’t seen anything. If that municipal sewer
system goes in, there’s no limit to the amount of development, the hi rises, there’ll be a city
developed around a Park, if the municipal sewer goes down Route 9, certainly connecting Lake
George to the Hudson River. The Park’s wastewater facilities should have been, but were not,
viewed as simultaneous, contemporaneous, with an inextricably linked and contiguous to the facilities
that are being proposed in the rest of the Lake George, or the Warren County Sewer District. The
law requires and prohibits segmentation. This area is in the Warren County Sewer District. It’s
never been removed. There’s an environmental review process underway up North. There’s another
one underway here. It seems to me before you go any further someone should be coordinating the
two reviews. You’re segmenting the overall review of the Warren County Sewer Project. There’s no
question but that these facilities, what you’re proposing, what you’re advancing, the construction of
the municipal sewer system, is going to be constructed simultaneously with other facilities, other
sewer facilities, and that they will be inextricably linked, and contiguous to those facilities. The
environmental review that you have underway here now should have but did not consider all
cumulative impacts. In the time I have left, I’d like to quote what the high court has said with
respect to these issues I’ve raised tonight. I will attempt to complete this discussion in writing before
the comment period expires. On second thought, I will include the major environmental review
cases that the high court has ruled on, and what the court has said with respect to this issue of
segmentation in writing before the comment period expires. It’s true, package treatment plants, in
responding to Mike O’Connor’s comments, it’s true package treatment plants occasionally fail. It’s
also true municipal sewer systems fail, and the damage, when a municipal sewer system fails far
exceeds an occasional failure from an isolated package treatment plant. One only has to look at not
only the failures in the Lake George Sewer System when the lateral at the Fort William Henry broke
and all the wastewater escaped onto the surface of the land, but one only has to look at the failures of
municipal sewer systems from Santa Monica Bay to Rye Beach. Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. The next speaker is Marie Miller, and Jeff Bartone follows her, and
then Steven Green.
MARIE MILLER
MRS. MILLER-Good evening. My name is Marie Miller. I live on Glen Lake. I’ve lived there for
45 years, and everyone’s talked about everything tonight which I would have like to have brought up
as well, but it’s already been said. Water will carry sound, as everyone knows. We can hear the
screaming of the children, and that really doesn’t bother me too much, because I know they’re having
a good time, but the Bobsled noise is something else again. Our grandchildren and the dog are
effected very badly. I have to give him a pill, not the grandchildren, the dog, but my biggest concern
is the water of Glen Lake is being contaminated. I have this sign that I wrote and it says, “What’s
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going to happen in 10 years?” Will we have a sign like this that will say “No Fishing”, “No
Swimming”, and “No drinking Glen Lake water”? I hope not, because it would not be a good thing,
and on the other side, it says, “We drink Glen Lake water”, and with that sewer plant, I’ll bring you a
glass of water, now that’s the other one “No sewer plant”, filtration plant is the proper word for it.
This says, “Do not contaminate Glen Lake”, please. Thank you for your time. Good evening.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Jeff Bartone?
AUDIENCE MEMBER-He’s gone.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Thank you. Steven Green?
AUDIENCE MEMBER-He’s also gone.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Charles Tall? All right. Mr. Duprey? I see, Delores Duprey? Canterbury
Drive? Peter Christian? June Tally?
JUNE TALLY
MRS. TALLY-My name is June Tally, and I live on Pinewood Avenue, which is the other side of the
Northway, beyond Rush Pond. We can hear the noise from the Northway, and Great Escape now,
from there, and I live three blocks back from Rush Pond, out in westlands. I don’t know what it will
be like when they take the land and the trees away that are a buffer now, preventing some of the
noise from Great Escape. I’m really concerned. I’m also concerned that they’ve taken Rush Pond,
the wetlands there, and made a parking lot, and the thought that they might put it under the
Northway and dump stuff into Rush Pond, I’m really concerned about, and I feel very sorry for the
people of Glen Lake, Twicwood, and the areas where there are noise levels, too. I have one more
concern, nobody’s addressed it, as far as I know, tonight. On Page Four of the DGEIS, it speaks
about the project, about Parking Area C. They’ve already done Stage I and Stage II Cultural
Resource Survey was performed on the lands there, and located one prehistoric site near the
proposed hotel, which may be eligible for the inclusion in the national register of historic places, to
comply with the State Historic Preservation Act, it’s proposed that the disturbance to this potential
archeological site will either be avoided during construction and operation of the project, that means
move the hotel, or excavated prior to the construction, in accordance with legal and regulatory
requirements of the State Historic Preservation Office. This is a subject near and dear to my heart
because I work with Dr. Starbuck, volunteered, since Roger’s Island, and I’m very concerned about
the artifacts and things that will be destroyed there is that project, if the hotel is put there too quickly
without a complete survey done, and done right, by that I don’t just mean shovel test pits, but if
there are artifacts there, and they have found evidence of it already, it should be dug properly, and
the artifacts should be saved. In fact, it might be an idea for you people from Great Escape. It
would be a real plus if you had it dug properly, and used that for one of your interested, like Fort
William Henry has done. It’s been a drawing card for them for four years. I worked up there as a
volunteer with Dr. Starbuck. So, it could be something that you could use to draw tourists to there,
too. Just a thought, but I am concerned, and I do hope that the Board will monitor this particular
part of it. So, I’m asking that you do, if things go ahead, and I’m very concerned for the Town of
Queensbury, and I know it’s in your hands.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Thank you.
MRS. TALLY-You’re welcome.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Thomas Mayer? Okay. Peter Didio? Denise Paddock? Mark Hoffman?
MARK HOFFMAN
DR. HOFFMAN-A few brief comments. I’d like to just echo the comment made by several
speakers that more time should be provided for comments for people to digest this large document,
and also potentially if technical expertise needs to be recruited, that would provide some additional
time. I also have concerns about the degree of independent technical review that would be done by
the Town. I think most of us are familiar with the fact that data and interpretations that are
presented by the sponsor of a project are clearly biased in favor of the project, and it’s really critical
that qualified independent technical review be available to review this project. In terms of just a
reaction, I agree with many of the comments that were made. I also was very impressed with the
degree and thoroughness of review of the data by some of the speakers. The few speakers that did
speak in favor of the project seemed to focus mainly on the economic benefits. I don’t, in any way,
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mean to denigrate the economic benefits. There’s no question that there will be some jobs created,
possibly some additional tax revenues. However, I think if one looks at what the concerns are
regarding our area’s economy right now, with about two percent unemployment, I think one could
make the argument that our problem really is not unemployment but rather underemployment, and
bringing in 900 part time jobs, seasonal part time jobs, with no benefits, and no pension and no
health insurance, is not going to do anything to improve that situation. Also, to keep things in
perspective, in terms of the 50 additional full time jobs that would be created, the way, you know,
sometimes it’s hard to think about numbers, but I tried to put it into my perspective. My little
doctor’s office employs 10 full time employees who have pension benefits and health insurance.
That’s 20% of the additional full time jobs that would be created by Great Escape, with all of the
environmental impacts and so forth associated with that, just to keep things in perspective. One
other comment. I attended a meeting which was sponsored by the Glens Falls Transportation
Council, the Town of Queensbury, Glens Falls Hospital Healthy Heart Program, and New York
State Department of Health, regarding bicycle and pedestrian transportation, trying to foster that in
terms of improving the public health of our community. One of the items that was identified by that
group as a way to improve pedestrian and bicycle transportation was to identify a way for people
who live in the west side of Town to get to the Warren County Bicycle Trail, and they identified
Gurney Lane as really the only feasible way to get people across the Northway to the Warren County
Bicycle Trail. With the increased traffic that’s being proposed for this project, I wonder how the
safety of bicyclists and pedestrians on Gurney Lane would be protected. I think that’s a real concern,
and finally, in regard to visual impacts, the Town is currently in the process of updating its Zoning
Code with an emphasis on trying to improve the visual impact and aesthetic qualities of our
community. At the same time, I’m very concerned about additional blacktopping and parking lots
along and adjacent to Route 9. I took a quick look at the pictures out, that were on display out there,
and I didn’t see very much being done to modify or mitigate the negative visual impact of additional
blacktop along our major roadway. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-There are five speakers left, or I have five cards here, Jack Fox, Hal Halliday,
Dareen Patten, Eric Gilbert, and Scott Moffin. So, Jack Fox is next.
JACK FOX
MR. FOX-I know it’s getting late so I’ll keep it really short for you all here. My name is Jack Fox. I
moved to this community about three and a half years ago. I live here in Queensbury, work here in
Queensbury, and obviously you can see by my ID here, I’m an employee of The Great Escape, a
Finance Director at The Great Escape. I’m also a homeowner here. I moved here, as I say, three
and a half years ago. I’m very happy here. I’m very proud of it here. I’d like to stay here for a long
time, and very much enjoy this community and like to be a part of it. I’m not here to speak to you
solely as the Finance Director of The Great Escape. I’m here to speak to you largely as a community
member. Looking at the EIS study, you can see the impact we’ve had here. We’ve already talked
about the tax dollars and the additional employees it brings. I’m here because I honestly believe that
continued growth of this Park is good for this community, and good for everyone involved. It brings
both and tourists and citizens like myself, I’m glad to say I moved here. I’m proud to say I moved
here. It brings people like us to this community. It helps support many of the people who were
born and raised in this area. Several of my co-workers here started out seasonally and have
continued to work this area. It brings opportunities for them. It brings people for outsiders, like
myself, the chance to come here and opportunities to come and join. I think The Great Escape is a
solid member of this community, and I’m glad to say that a lot of us citizens that work at The Great
Escape are solid members of this community, and I’m proud of our growth in recent years, and I’m
happy to see that we, along with several other businesses, are interested in continuing to grow this
community. I’d like to see that continue, and I hope this Board is interested in seeing that continue.
I did, I’d like to see it continue both for the employees of The Great Escape and the residents. I
think it’s great. Some of the other impacts are not only economic. I hope that a lot of the residents
in this area come and enjoy our Park as well and enjoy the Park. I think it’s got a lot of impact on a
lot of the growth here, in economic ways, and the entertainment factors, other factors for this
community as well. So I think when we’re looking at some of the negative impacts, I think we also
need to look at a lot of the positive impacts of this community, a lot of entertainment factors, a lot of
growth factors, a lot of business factors, increase in growth as well. So I think I’ve heard a lot of
factors, but I’d like this Board to consider very much a lot of the positive impacts that are going to
come along with this, the growth, the entertainment, a lot of positive both for this business and this
community, both for its community members and the business. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Hal Halliday?
HAL HALLIDAY
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MR. HALLIDAY-Good evening. My name is Hal Halliday. I’ve resided in the Town of
Queensbury for 28 years. I’ve been a volunteer fireman in North Queensbury for over 20 years. I
love the area, and I think that you have a great quality of life here in the Town of Queensbury, and
that’s the reason that I moved here from New Jersey. In Queensbury we have great schools, we have
good libraries. We have a great senior citizens center, and we have great emergency services, and I
believe we even have great roads. I know you have heard differently sometimes, okay. I think we
have great roads. We have these good things because we have a good balance of businesses and
residences in the Town of Queensbury to make our life enjoyable. In order to have reasonable taxes,
a good quality of life, and a good place to work, we need to look at where the money comes from to
enjoy this quality of life. It is a true fact that the tourism dollar generated in our area turn over many
times before leaving. A visiting guest stays at a hotel, buys food, fills the car with gas and visits local
attractions. All of the people who service these tourists then spend the payroll dollars in our area
again, supporting their lifestyle. Again, turning over more payroll dollars to be spent in the area.
Proven studies have said that a tourism dollar turns over seven times in the community before it
leaves. Anyone that takes the time to figure it out can figure out the domino theory. I am presently
employed at The Great Escape. I’m a full time seasonal manager, and very soon hope to be joining
the full time yearly staff. The Great Escape is a solid employer. It’s committed to safety and our
local environment. I live on the east side of Lake George, and I can’t hear the Bobsled, and I don’t
hear Elvis singing, but I do hear the boats on Lake George. I do hear the Minnie Ha-Ha whistle, and
I do hear an occasional plane flying over my house to enjoy the splendor of Lake George. I don’t
come before our Board to complain, because it still amazes me that people move on to the shore of
Lake George, and the next thing I know, they’re at the Town meeting complaining about the boats
on the lake, or they move near the airport, and they complain about the noise of the planes flying
overhead, or some of them live near an amusement park and they complain about the noise of the
amusement park near their house. On one of my days off last week, I made a mistake and drove up
Route 149, made a left turn on Route 9, and headed south. I got stuck in traffic, and actually thought
about the other road choices that I could have made to go to the same location. My point is that we
all have choices to make about our daily life. Let’s not try to make other people change to suit our
own personal needs. To the Board, when you answer your statements, to the people who moved
here five years ago, tell them that they should not have assumed that The Great Escape would never
expand. We all have choices to make where to live. My family made the choice to live here. If I was
not happy and my family was not happy living here, we would move, just like we did 28 years ago. If
the Impact Statement is done, if it meets guidelines and goes by regulations for this area, I ask you to
please support The Great Escape in their expansion efforts. I think it would be in the best interest
of our Town and my family. Thank you very much.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Dareen Patten?
DAREEN PATTEN
MRS. PATTEN-My name is Dareen Patten. I live at Seven Jackson Road in South Glens Falls. I
represent The Great Escape as an employee of Park for the last 14 seasons, 14 years. I’m a full time
Staff member. Just to begin quickly, I was Mr. Wood’s personal secretary for a few years. So I’m
familiar with what his efforts were before he sold the Park. Just going back, the Park opened in
1954. As Hal said, it’s amazing to me people that live in an area, and know what is existing, and then
oppose the expansion, perhaps, of the Park, and the environmental impact, you know, what it is that
the Park presents to the community. Just like the Warren County Airport, just like SPAC, again,
Lake George has certain things that, as part of a tourist area, yes, we will have issues that perhaps
neighborhoods and quiet neighborhoods would not normally fathom as part of being in their
neighborhood, but, again, as being part of a tourist area, certainly, we know that we need to
encourage tourism into the Warren County area. If anybody can recall the Park, 1989 the Park was
sold to International Broadcasting Corporation. During the two years that IBC owned the Park, they
drained the Park. They did not put anything new into the Park. Neighbors should know, who
visited, there was no capital investment, no capital projects, and the Park suffered. It started to die,
actually, and if you ask Mr. Wood or you ask anybody in the amusement industry, you’ll know it’s
crucial to have expansion and make improvements. So, Mr. Wood, in 1991, bought the Park back in
order to save it, because he knew that it would die a slow and painful death if it was not, you know,
did not have capital projects, did not have improvement. During the first year that he bought the
Park back, he put four rides into the Park, three new rides, and one reconditioned ride. He did that
because he knew that the Park was suffering. The attendance was dropping, and again, the impact on
the area would have been significant. I’d just ask that people remember that this is a Draft
Environmental Impact Statement. A draft in any business is always subject to change, subject to
improvement, before the final version is made public and is out there for review. Six Flags, again, is
in a business. They are in a for profit business. There’s no question about that. They do have a
couple of choices. They can choose to expand the Park. They can also choose not to expand. They
could choose to sell the Park. They could choose many different options, but it is critical to the
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residents and to the area that the Park expand and continue to be strong, so that we, again, can
encourage tourism and support for the area. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you. I know I said that at 11 o’clock we were going to cut it off, but
believe it or not, we’re down to two speakers left. So I think we’ll forge ahead.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-Okay. Eric Gilbert?
ERIC GILBERT
MR. GILBERT-Hello. My name is Eric Gilbert. I’m the Manager of Operations at The Great
Escape Theme Park. I have newly moved here from actually San Francisco, California. I guess
around late March I was given an opportunity, Scott had called me from The Great Escape and said
he’s got a beautiful theme park that he has just started at, that I could use to grow, so I can learn
more things and grow my career, but also it would really give me an opportunity to see this beautiful
area and experience it. Me, I’m mobile, so I enjoyed the opportunity, and I am enjoying the
opportunity. I just wanted to say a couple of things about The Great Escape and about theme parks.
As I started when I was 17 years old, given an opportunity to learn new things, to meet people, to
have fun, I was, you know, looking for a job. Working at The Great Escape, a lot of the young
people learn how to be responsible, learn how to be good members of the society, learn how to hold
a job and to be friendly to people and to learn about money and about budgeting and about, you
know, earning their pay. We also employee senior citizens who, you know, use that as an
opportunity to do things, you know, beyond their career goals, as well as they are mentors also to
those young people, and I was very thankful, at 17, that I had the opportunity to learn about those
things, about becoming a good, responsible citizen, and I do think that, as Six Flags, we do offer that,
and I just want to thank you very much and say that I do support the growth that this Park has to
offer to the community, as well as to myself and other young people who do wish to start off their
careers there at The Great Escape. Thank you.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you.
MRS. LA BOMBARD-And Scott Moffin.
SCOTT MOFFIN
MR. MOFFIN-Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I know that I’m the last one of a long evening of
comments and a lot of good issues have been brought up. So I’ll make my comments very brief. As
mentioned, my name is Scott Moffin. I’m the Director of Operations out at The Great Escape.
Unlike many that you’ve heard from tonight, I’m new to this area. I moved here in March.
Although I’m new to this area, I’m not new to the theme park business. I’ve been with Six Flags for
about 10 years, and in that time period, I’ve had the opportunity to work in four different States and
four different Parks. I’ve seen Parks first hand that have had to work around stringent
environmental guidelines, and I know that it can happen. I’ve been there. I’ve done it, and we’re
committed to that. I feel fortunate to have been selected to come this Park, not only because it was
an opportunity for advancement for me personally, but it’s a beautiful area to come to, and one of
the most beautiful areas where we have a Park. I strongly support the continued growth of The
Great Escape and the positive impact that I know that it will have on the Town of Queensbury and
the surrounding communities. Thank you very much.
MR. MAC EWAN-Thank you, and that’s it. No other speakers. Okay. I’ll close the comment
period for tonight. We want to thank everyone for coming out tonight, and expressing their
concerns. I would like to remind you, on behalf of the Town and the Planning Board, that the
written comment period is still in process here. We’ll accept written comment at the Town Hall up
until the September the 12. I would encourage you to not only follow up with written comment,
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but make sure that the Town does receive it so it can be included in our final document that we plan
on establishing and adopting in the coming months. Is there anything that Staff wanted to add
before we close up? Okay. Thank you very much.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-Thank you.
On motion meeting was adjourned.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Craig MacEwan, Chairman
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