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2008-12-10 SP MTG#55 SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 12-10-2008 MTG#55 327 SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING MTG#55 DECEMBER 10, 2008 RES# 568 6:35 P.M. BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT SUPERVISOR DANIEL STEC COUNCILMAN ANTHONY METIVIER COUNCILMAN RONALD MONTESI COUNCILMAN JOHN STROUGH BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT COUNCILMAN TIM BREWER TOWN OFFICIALS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, CRAIG BROWN SENIOR PLANNER, STU BAKER TECHNOLOGY COORDINATOR, RYAN LASHWAY CONTINUATION OF DRAFT ZONING CODE REVIEW SUPERVISOR STEC-Opened meeting. Discussion held regarding the Main Street zone, next Tuesday there will be discussion on the PO Zone that should conclude the workshops on the draft code. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-The Main Street Zone hasn’t gone through any dramatic change from what it currently is. Took the basic format the current Main Street zone went through the Comprehensive Land Use Plan and Saratoga Associates proposals blended them in. At one time we were going to have a median strip that has been removed Chazen never updated it if you take the median out the rest is fine. Page 2 would like to see two and three story buildings built to a building line possibly plazas, possibly indents in some places. DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, CRAIG BROWN-Page 5. Concerned that there should be a place in this that says you don’t have to have access on your own frontage we would prefer that you get it maybe not from somebody else at least shared driveways or shared access points, or rear alley access. COUNCILMAN STROUGH- Page 5. There is some language to that but it needs to be corrected. Asked what they want to do for height of the buildings need to pick a foot. SUPERVISOR STEC-Main Street including Dix Avenue does not have a problem seeing fifty feet. SENIOR PLANNER, MR. BAKER-Current draft has a maximum of four stories or fifty feet what John is proposing is a minimum of fifty feet. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Proposing do you want to put a maximum if so how big? The first story has to be twelve feet traditionally the other stories are ten feet do you want to make it sixty, recommended sixty feet. SENIOR PLANNER, MR. BAKER-Five stories or sixty feet is what we are going with? COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Sixty feet then let them decide. TOWN BOARD-In agreement to take out clustering in the Main Street area. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-Page 6. Allowed Uses. Asked if there is thought to have all of these first four or five things listed as second story kind of uses. SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 12-10-2008 MTG#55 328 COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Yes. It should say first story has to be commercial. Discussion held regarding allowing Automobile Service Area on Main Street. After further discussion it was the consensus of the board to continue to not allow automobile service area in the Main Street area. To update list for uses that are allowed on Main Street will give them to Stu Baker. MINIMUM LOT SIZE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-Discussion held regarding minimum lots sizes. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Recommended taking the ratio out for Main Street. SENIOR PLANNER, MR. BAKER-We are taking out the two thousand square feet of floor area… SUPERVISOR STEC-And there is still no minimum lot size. SENIOR PLANNER, MR. BAKER-Then we are getting rid of fifteen thousand square feet per principal use as well, getting rid of the density calculation there as well as notes seventeen and eighteen. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Asked if they take out minimum lot size requirements all together? After further discussion board agreed to take this out and the ratio. Discussion held regarding side setbacks after further discussion the board agreed to put in zero minimum twenty maximum in the Main Street zone. OFF STREET PARKING Bullet number 4. Councilman Montesi-Agrees with the five foot grass area the alleyway is a convenience to get them to park in the back. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Recommended adding in that this requirement does not apply to alleyways, board in agreement. SITE DESIGN ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-Recommended adding coniferous trees to the list. SIGNAGE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-Asked that this stays consistent with the sign code. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Recommended making a note that Main Street signage will be in accord with this and anything else would be in accord with the rest of one forty. PUBLIC PLAZAS AND OUTDOOR DINING COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Added wording to plazas are strongly encouraged. Added plazas can provide an expanded area for art festivals, farmers markets, and other attractions and effects and provide a more pedestrian friendly people oriented place. ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN SENIOR PLANNER, MR. BAKER-Discussion held regarding building height. Change to building shall be a minimum of two stories and twenty five feet high maximum sixty feet. SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 12-10-2008 MTG#55 329 COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Recommended taking single story out of the draft, board in agreement. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-Presented map to the board noted the following items. The first one is Big Bay, Big Boom where the Northway runs through the south end of Town the peninsular. A lot of those properties that go down through there the road frontage portion are zoned Suburban Residential or in this case moderate density. The river sides of the parcels are zoned waterfront. Recommended extending the water front zone on this side of the road right up to the road then on this side put the water front zoning back to the road and keep the other side of the road residential, Mr. Brown to come up with the river front waterfront zoning and reasonable distant. Tribune Media property and EMS extended the Main Street zoning there because it is office and public service building. It is currently zoned MR and is proposed to be moderate density residential it does not seem to fit for either one of those two uses. Asked if they should extend the Main Street design area around all this property? SUPERVISOR STEC-Recommended making the whole thing blue to Luzerne Road. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Recommended including language saying the Main Street built too applies just to the arterial. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-Asked with the two cemeteries, residential uses, and a big apartment complex do you want to keep it a different zone so you can have the buffer between them. SUPERVISOR STEC-Arterial language will be going in that the built too line applies to the arterial. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Main Street and Dix Avenue are the arterials. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR-Make the Tribune Media all blue? SUPERVISOR STEC-Yes. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-Spoke regarding residential lots that are half in the City and half in the Town they were zoned light industrial cleaned them up and made them all residential. Garvey on Quaker Road was proposed to be zoned industrial we made it commercial. Dix Avenue will be Main Street. SENIOR PLANNER, MR. BAKER-It will be one lot deep north and south of Dix. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-Hewitt’s made them all commercial there are existing house that will be nonconforming you have the potential to do commercial there now. Surrey Fields, Cedar Court sense it is all common land untouchable we made it all moderate density. Glens Falls Country Club made corrections there moved property lines. Made changes on Exit 19 where Stewarts keep that commercial. COUNCILMAN METIVIER-Spoke regarding the lot on the corner of Ridge Road and Route 149 the old dilapidated brick house the people in the house have requested to go neighborhood commercial. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-To propose this and see what they say. SUPERVISOR STEC-Spoke regarding a letter from Attorney Lapper and the Britton property on Tee Hill Road asking to make it denser noting that side of Tee Hill Road is three acre zoning. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Spoke regarding residences not on the road along West Mountain Road having split zones. SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 12-10-2008 MTG#55 330 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-In the old zoning map that was to follow a certain contour in elevation there is no magic to it probably because of the Rush Pond CEA trying to get a certain elevation away from that. COUNCILMAN STROUGH-If this is a problem then maybe you want to address it. SUPERVISOR STEC-Tuesday we will be going over the PO Zone. That will give Stu a chance to print a final map board members can look at it if there are any issues then we will have one more workshop between now and the first of the year thinking on th December 29, set a public hearing in January for late February or March. DISCUSSION HELD SUPERVISOR STEC-Spoke with the board regarding a new plotter scanner copier that would replace two five year old existing copiers. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BROWN-They have the capability to print out and copy, but we cannot scan anything. SUPERVISOR STEC-There are funds in this year’s budget left over in Community Development and IT Department budget. After further discussion the board was in agreement with the purchase, resolution to be prepared for Monday’s meeting. RESOLUTION ADJOURNING TOWN BOARD MEETING RESOLUTION NO. 568, 2008 INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Ronald Montesi WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION SECONDED BY: Mr. Anthony Metivier RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns its Special Town Board Meeting. th Duly adopted this 10 day of December, 2008, by the following vote: Ayes: Mr. Metivier, Mr. Montesi, Mr. Strough, Mr. Stec Noes: Mr. Brewer Absent:None Respectfully Submitted, Darleen M. Dougher Town Clerk Town of Queensbury SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 12-10-2008 MTG#55 331