1982-06-16
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MINUTES
QUEENSBURY ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
Wednesday, June 16, 1982 7:30 P.M.
Present: Kirkham Cornwell, Chairman
Theodore Turner, Secretary
Susan Goetz
Daniel Griffin
Charles Sicard
Sjoerdje Richardson
R. Case Prime
S. Lynn - Staff
M. Dean - Staff
L. Tugas - Post Star
The minutes of the May 19, 1982 meeting were approved on a motion
by Mr. Turner, seconded by Mr. Sicard. Motion carried unanimously.
Chairman Cornwell announced that this is the first meeting of the
Zoning Board under the new Zoning Law, made effective June 11, 1982.
NEW BUSINESS:
Notice of Appeal No.4 - Slopey, Parry, Kroetz, Alexy
Wolfram Schille property, Cleverdale Road
Challenging the validity of the building permit issued by the
Building Inspector to Wolf Schille on the property situated at
Cleverdale Road. Original appeal on file.
Mr. Henry Parry represented the petitioners. Mr. Parry read a pre-
pared statement supporting the appeal. Mr. Cornwell inquired of
Mr. Parry as to whether he was questioning the action of the Build-
ing Inspector for not penalizing them for the violation of building
without a permit or just challenging the validity of the permit that
Mr. Lynn finally did issue? Mr. Parry replied they were challenging
the validity of the permit. Mr. Cornwell stated that the prepared
statement really was not relevant, that many of the concerns of the
petitioners would be appropriate if Mr. Schille were seeking a
variance. The question to be addressed by the Board is whether or
not the Building Permit was issued properly. Letters and photographs
from concerned neighbors were submitted to the Secretary.
Mr. Walter Rehm, Esq. represented Mr. Schille. The facts according
to Mr. Rehm: 1. The construction was commenced without a building
permit during the winter - because of snow load there was a failure
of the roof. Mr. Schille under the incorrect impression that a
permit was not required, hired a contractor and began construction.
2. A stop order was issued and the construction was substantially
stopped after it was closed in so that no damage from the weather
would result. 3. They then met with representatives of the Town
and sought an opinion as to whether it would be possible to rebuild
this building not using the same dimensions but having the same
interior volume as is allowed under the Zoning Ordinance. Mr. Rehm
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discussed the applicable provision of Section 8.301, the key word
being "volume". The building under construction did exceed the
prior volume, so they asked Mr. Lynn if it would be possible to
remove a portion of the building, thereby reducing the building to
less than the original volume. On that basis the building permit
was granted. The permit was issued after a great deal of discussion
with Mr. Lynn, legal opinion of Town Counsel and visits to the site
by both Building Inspectors. No plot plan was submitted. Mr. Lynn
explained that the plot plan would only be required if the building
line would encroach upon the required setback - not a problem in
this siutation.
Mr. Rehm stated that the ground coverage had been reduced from the
original and the height had been increased. The use of the build-
ing remains the same, residential. Mr. Prime asked if the rental
capacity had been enlarged. Mr. Rehm stated that there are the
same number of beds. Previously the living area had served as a
bedroom. There is now a loft.
Discussion ensued relative to the varying measurements taken by all
the parties. Mr. Cornwell asked if the Building Department was
satisfied that the footages given to the Board are as required.
Mr. Lynn responded that they wouldn't have issued the Building Per-
mit if they were not satisfied.
Mr. Prime discussed the rental use and the need for a variance if
it is increased. Mr. Prime and Mr. Cornwell discussed the criteria
for deciding what constitutes increased rental use, ego number of
beds, etc. Mr. Renm stated that this is a non-conforming building
but not a non-conforming use.
Mr. Melvin Slopey stated that they have taken non-usuable volume
and made it usuable. Mr. Turner read Section 8.30l..."may be
restored, reconstructed or used as before provided the volume of
such building or structure shall not exceed the volume which ex-
isted prior to such damage". Mr. John Miller questioned how you
calculate volume? Mr. Lynn stated that volume does not refer to
capacity, volume refers to cubic dimension, per Town Counsel.
Capacity is not defined in the Ordinance.
Motion by Mr. Turner, seconded by Mrs. Goetz, all in favor with
the exception of Mr. Prime who voted against the motion.
The Board is of the opinion that the
Building Permit of May 19, 1982 was
properly issued and that Section 8.301
has been complied with.
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VARIANCE No. 755 - Chris Warner, Veterans Road and Alta Avenue
To operate an auto body repair shop in R-4 Zone and to construct
a 24 x 32 ft. garage with 5 ft. setback from property line on
Alta Avenue on the property situated between Veterans Road and
Alta Avenue.
Mr. Jeff Brown, Esq. appearing with Mr. Warner. Mr. Brown sub-
mitted pictures of the area, noting the PCB dumpsite across the
street, the general condition of the area, the sand pit. Mr. Prime
questioned the hardship in terms of the residential use of the
property.. Mr. Brown responded that his client has to move from
his present location, he owns this property which is his home,
he can't move and get any return on his investment due to the condi-
tions surrounding his property. If his business grows he will con-
tinue to maintain his own and lease property elsewhere for his
business, using the garage for personal use.
No one spoke against this application. Mrs. Harvey, neighbor,
spoke in favor. Approved by the Beautification Committee. The
Town Planning Board recommended disapproval. Mr. Prime stated
that in this instance you have business in the area, no objection
from the neighbors, industrial zone across the street and it
seems appropriate to grant this variance. Motion to approve by
Mr. Prime, seconded by Mrs. Richardson. All in favor with the
exception of Mrs. Goetz who voted no.
RESOLVED: The Board granted this variance
both for Use variance and Area variance be-
cause of the commercial uses in area, indus-
trial site on Veterans Road and no objections
from the neighbors. Use variance granted for
a period of three years to June 1985.
VARIANCE No. 763 - (amended from Special Permit No. 104)
Adirondack Scenic, Inc.
To place a large scale commercial development on 12.6 acres in
C-3 Zone with 24,500 sw. ft. Artist Scenic Studio for fabri-
cation and storage of scenery for theatre market on the property
situated at Weeks Road east of Northway (1-87).
Mr. John Richards, Esq. representing Mr. Richard Emmerson, Presi-
dent. Mr. Ted Zoli and Mr. Loren Compson owners of property and
principals of Contore Company.
This application started under the old ordinance and finishing
under new ordinance. Under the new ordinance the Zoning Board
no longer rules on Site Plan Review. The Planning Board has that
responsibility. In this case, the Planning Board has approved.
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However, the permitted uses in part of this site under the new
ordinance are more restrictive than they were under the old
ordinance. The zone has changed from C-3 to HC-lS and DR-S.
Mr. Richards reviewed the project of the studio for the construc-
tion of scenery describing the type of work that is done, number
of employees, building concept and the uncut green area.
The situation is unique in that the commercial area is landlocked.
It would appear from the map that they are only using the residen-
tial area for the driveway and green area. Mr. Richards explained
that client wants maximum buffer to keep it a secluded area and
the character of the neighborhood would not be spoiled. A scenic
studio is not provided for in any of the classifications. Mr.
Turner questioned how much traffic would be generated going down
Weeks Road. Traffic envisioned would be employee traffic for one
shift, maybe one or two delivery trucks per day maximum, occasional
larger trucks about once a month.
Mr. Michael Crayford: Board member of Kingswood Homesowners Assoc.
Not particularly opposed to development, concerned about character
of neighborhood and exposure of building and entrance drive to the
backyards of Kingswood Estates. Asked if they would consider mov-
ing the entrance road further toward the Northway giving more
privacy. Also asked to have landscaped areas around parking lot
to be of a berm variety to hide the parked cars.
Roberta Weiss: Kingswood Estates. Concerned with driveway
location and noise.
John Gardner: Owner of Drive-In Theatre. Concerned about lighting
which would interfere with theatre. Likes the idea of the devel-
opment, thinks it compatible with his business. Felt there could
be some drainage problems in the future.
Marcia Antos: Kingswood Estates. Concerned that Weeks Road cannot
tolerate tractor trailer traffic and that property values will go
down. Concerned about vandalism, feels this business should go
in Industrial Park.
Marjory Gilmore: speaking for mother Lillian Dorn, resident of
Kingswood. Concerned about traffic hazard on Weeks Road. Asked
to have building moved farther into commercial area and also that
attorney for developer is also attorney for Kingswood Estate people.
Carol Nye: Kingswood Estates. Concerned one access for fire equip-
ment and increased noise from Northway.
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John Poor: Robert Gardens. Concerned with open driveway and
no security gate leaves it open to unauthorized personnel
particularly during non-operating hours.
Mr. Richards does not represent owners of Kingswood Estates, he
represents developer. Mr. Errrnrnerson is sensitive to their
position, many good points brought up. They are not in a position
tonight to commit to some of these changes because they do not
have cost estimates as to fencing, moving driveway, etc. but they
will be considered. Regarding fire hazard, every thing is 100%
flameproof and retardant, used in theatres and hotels with the
strictest codes.
Mr. Turner read letter to Beautification Committee from Adirondack
Scenic.
Both Town and County Planning Boards approve.
Motion by Mrs. Richardson, seconded by Mr. Sicard to grant variance.
Motion carried unanimously.
RESOLVED: The Board granted this variance for
the following reasons:
1. Hardship - landlord's commercial property
split zone.
2. Variance not detrimental to neighborhood.
3. Cannot yield reasonable return if used as
zoned. Building in Highway Commercial zone.
Property in residential section to be dedi-
cated as green.
VARIANCE No. 756 - Roger and Gerald Hewlett, north side of Dix Ave.
This variance request is tabled for one month on a motion by Mrs.
Goetz, seconded by Mr. Sicard because the client did not show up.
Motion carried unanimously.
VARIANCE No. 758 - William VanNess, 28 Luzerne Road
To operate a Four Wheel Drive retail sales shop in existing garage
in R-4 Zone on the property situated at 28 Luzerne Road.
Mr. VanNess present. In response to question by Mr. Cornwell, Mr.
VanNess replied that character of garage will be totally unchanged.
Most of sales will be catalog with very little stock in the build-
ing. Deliveries will be made by UPS. He does not plan to use a
commercial sign. Advertising will be done by newspaper and flyer.
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Mr. VanNess plea for hardship based on
because of proximity to PCB dumpsite.
ing classification in this area. Some
have been zoned commercial.
return value for his house
Board discussion of zon-
members feel it should
Mr. Joseph Viger: 30 Luzerne Road. In favor, does not believe
it will hurt neighborhood.
Mr. Hayes: 26 Luzerne Road - No objection.
Town Planning Board and Counby Planning Board recommended dis-
approval of this variance based on poor planning concept in a
residential zone.
Mr. Sicard made a motion to approve variance, seconded by Mrs.
Richardson. Motion carried unanimously.
RESOLVED: The Board granted this Use
variance for applied purpose only - no
outside storage-sign 6 sq. ft. Variance
granted for two year period to June 1984.
SPECIAL PERMIT No. 105 - Ciba-Geigy, Inc. Lower t'Varren Street
To add to a large scale industrial development on the property
situated at Lower Warren Street.
Mr. Robert Stewart, Esq. and Mr. George Batcher, Project Manager
present. Site Plan Review held and approved by the Planning Board.
Public hearing being held tonight.
Mr. Stewart explained that 95% of project is required by new
Federal regulations. The Federal Government requires that dikes
be constructed around existing tanks in the event that a tank may
rupture. The Company also wishes to put an addition to two existing
buildings. They cannot meet the required setback because of the
location of a railroad spur that services these buildings.
Approved by Town and County Planning Boards.
No members of the public spoke in the Public Hearing section of
the meeting which was duly advertised. Zoning Board approval is
unnecessary with new ordinance but they may do it as a rubber stamp.
Motion by Mr. Sicard, seconded by Mr. Turner. Motion carried
unanimously.
RESOLVED: This Permit is passed without
comment because it is no longer required
under the new ordinance.
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VARIANCE NO. 760 - Ciba Geigy, Inc. Lower Warren Street
To place additions to existing industrial buildings at less than
the required 50 ft. setback from property lines on the property
situated at Lower Warren Street.
Discussion covered under Special Permit. Motion to grant variance
by Mr. Pr.ime, seconded by Mr. Sicard. Motion carried unanimously.
RESOLVED: The Board granted this area
Variance for the following reasons:
1. No adverse affect on the neighborhood.
2. Within plant boundaries.
3. Within authority of new zoning ordinance.
VARIANCE No. 761 - Walter A. Stamper III, Upper Glen Street and
Glenwood Avenue
To place 3 x 4 ft. gasoline price sign on existing light pole with
10 ft. setback from property line in C-2 Zone on the property
situated at corner Upper Glen and Glenwood Avenue.
Walter Stamper present. Mr. Stamper asking for 12 sq. ft. sign,
rather than 10 sq. ft. so that he does not have to alter his present
sign. Mr. Cornwell stated that 10 sq. ft. signs are available and
that the Zoning Board has, in the past, granted approval for 10 ft.
signs. Mrs. Richardson commented that she feels the Board has be-
come locked into the 10 sq. ft. sign and that at some point it
should be reconsidered. She noted that a 12 sq. ft. sign is standard.
Mr. Cornwell feels that if they granted 12 sq. ft. they would then
be asked for 15 sq. ft. Discussion ensued regarding placement of
the sign.
Queensbury and Warren County Planning Boards approved of the sign
variance. Motion to approve variance offered by Mr. Griffin,
seconded by Mr. Turner. All in favor with the exception of Mrs.
Goetz who voted no.
RESOLVED: The Board granted this sign
variance for sign 10 sq. ft. located at
first choice per plot plan filed with
this application.
SPECIAL PERMIT No. 106 - NOREC (Northeast Outdoor Recreational
Enterprises Corp.) West side Route 9
north of Exit 20.
To construct and operate track for 3 and 4 wheel vehicles (amuse-
ment center) on the property situated at the west side of Route 9.
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Mr. Howard Krantz, Esq., agent for NOREC. Mr. Jerry Caruso, Jr.
owner of property.
Mr. Krantz explained the purpose of the business is to rent rides
on three and four wheel vehicles (recreational variety) on a track
winding around the natural contour of the land. The operation
complies as far as septic, parking, sign and setbacks. This is a
very densely wooded property. Present on the frontage will be a
horseshoe shaped entrance and exit. There will be parking for 11
cars at the base and 16 cars up above. There will be one building
on the site which will contain a vehicle storage area, two rest-
rooms, office and concession area with window service only. There
will be a grass picnic area.
Fencing am natural screening will be around the project, no gasoline
stored on site, purchased daily from Citgo. This is a daytime op-
eration only, no lights. At anyone time the maximum number of
vehicles would be 12. Track to be compacted dirt, if dust should
be a problem operators will put on a clay surface. The machines
will have governors and maximum speed will be 10 to 15 mph.
The Board adjourned to go outside and hear the machine.
Mr. Beckos: owner of Montcalm Restaurant. Does not believe this
operation will do the area any good. Does not want anyone parking
in his parking lot. Would demand that the area be patrolled,
citing they have enough bad images in the area.
Unidentified woman: Owner of acreage across street. Concerned
about noise.
David Kenny: owner HIWay Host Motel. Feels it will attract teen-
agers who will be unsupervised and create a Coney Island atmosphere
which they have tried to avoid. Does not feel it a good use for
the property.
Mr. Jerry Caruso, Jr.: owner of property in question and the
Hawkeye Restaurant. Believes this will stimulate the resort area
and he will oversee the operation.
Town and County Planning Boards approved with stipulations. Town
Planning Board already acted on Site Plan Review.
RESOLVED: The Board granted this Special Use Permit.
The Board finds:
1. The use is one specifically enumerated in the
district.
7 yes
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2. Such use will not be pre'ju~ial to the
character of the area.
4 yes - 3 no
3. The Board determines that there is appropriate
provision for access facilities adequate for the
estimated traffic from public streets and/or
highways and that there are pedestrian walkways
so as to insure public safety and to avoid traffic
congestion.
7 yes
4. That there are full adequate parking areas and
off-street loading spaces, in conformity with
the proposed parking requirements of the zoning
ordinance of the Town of Queensbury and all other
related ordinances.
7 yes
5. That suitable planting or screening has been
required as follows: Must go to Warren County
Soil and Water District. Approximately 98%
of trees to be left on site.
7 yes
6. That such use ts of the same general character,
or will not be injurious to the surrounding
neighborhood or district.
5 yes - 2 no
The meeting was adjourned at 12:40 a.m. by the Chairman.
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Kirkham Cornwell, Chairman
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