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QUEENSBURY ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
Regular Meeting held: Wednesday, December 17, 1986
Present: Theodore Turner, Chairman
Jeffrey L. Kelley
Daniel S. Griffin
Gustave Behr
Susan Goetz, Secretary
Charlie O. Sicard
Michael Muller
Stuart F. Mesinger, Senior Town Planner
The meeting was called to order at 7:30 p.m. Chairman, Turner announced
that Area Variance No. 11 n had been tabled at the applicants request.
Corrections to the November 19, 1986 minutes were made as follows:
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paragraph 2 - Mr. Griffin read the letter, not Mrs. Goetz.
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Variance No. 1182 - Mr. Turner abstaineci due to a conflict of interest.
The final vote was 6 yes, 1 abstention (Turner).
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Interpretation No. 35 - Name is Demars.
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spelling should be Rose Guerra
Mrs. DeSantis spoke, not Mister.
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spelling should be Campriello.
Mr. Behr MOVED APPROVAL of the November 19, 1986 minutes as corrected.
Mrs. Goetz seconded.
Passed Un;:tnimously.
Corrections to the November 24, 1986 minutes were made as follows:
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Third paragraph - change "Mr. Behr said than" to "Mr. Behr said that."
Mr. Sicard MOVED APPROVAL of the November 24, 1986 minutes as corrected.
Mr. Griffin seconded.
Passed Un;:tnimously.
The Board briefly discussed with Mr. O'Connor whether Area Variance 1203
should be referred to the Planning Board for density review. Mr. O'Connor asked
that the Board hear the application on its merits. The Board agreed to take it up
at its place on the agenda.
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NEW BUSINESS
INTERPRETATION NO. 36
Mrs. Goetz read a letter from Wayne Gannett of Rist Frost Associates asking
whether a truck repair terminal is a permitted use in the Light Industrial zone.
There being nobody present to represent the application, Mr. Griffin MOVED that
Interpretation No. 36 be TABLED.
Mr. Muller seconded.
Passed Un:ln;nlOusly.
USE VARIANCE NO. 1169
Quaker Village Development Corporation
Mr. Turner explained that the Board voted at its last meeting to rehear this
application after staff research indicated that time limits on use variances were
valid. The concern is that this not become a permanent manufacturing operation
in the commercial zone.
LatTy Zeminick of the Quaker Village Office Park said that it was also designed
to put the tenant in building 3 instead of building Z.
Mr. Mesinger said the rehearing had been advertised for building 3. The square
footage used would remain the same.
Public Hearing Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
Mr. Griffin MOVED APPROVAL of Use Variance No. 1169. The applicant
demonstrated a hardship due to the lack of a tenant for this size building. There
will be no adverse effect on the neighborhood. This business will be restricted to
6,000 square feet in Building No. 3 and no expansion to the other areas in that
complex. A Z year time limit is attached to be reviewed at the end of this period.
Mr. Kelley seconded.
Passed Unanimously.
USE VARIANCE NO. 1184
Edward Devitt
Mrs. Goetz read the application from Edward Devitt to place a 60 unit motel
at the intersection of Corinth Road and the Northway in the Light Industrial zone.
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the Goldsmiths the other. Both lots are 80 feet wide and in excess of 730 feet long.
Both have 7 5+ year old nonconforming residences. The property across the street
and west along Corinth is zoned commercial. Mr. Nolan believed that both sides
of the street should be zoned commercial. The Goldsmiths have tried to sell their
property periodically since 1972 without success. The problem is the location next
to the Northway and the proximity to McDonalds restaurant. The property is
undesirable for residential use. Light Industries also would not be interested because
of the heavy traffic at the intersection and the unique size and shape of the lots.
They are too small for industrial use. Mr. Nolan argued that the zoning was not
compatible with sWTounding uses.
Mike McGrath of Hoffman Engineers discussed the site plan. The Planning
Board had approved this the previous evening subject to Beautification Committee
re quire m en ts.
The Board discussed traffic patterns. Mr. Sicard pointed out that this was
a badly congested intersection. Mr. Devitt argued that the motel would be a minimal
traffic generator as most guests enter and leave only once or twice. Mr. Nolan
added that the D.O. T. had issued a curb cut permit and felt that this was a less
intensive use than many potential industrial uses.
Mr. Nolan said he had advertised his property for sale approximately 2 dozen
times over the past 3-4 years but the Devitt proposal was the only firm offer. He
again argued that the proximity to the Northway made the property undesirable
for most uses. He was cWTently realizing a modest rental return.
Public Hearing Opened:
Bill Bodenweiser, Queensbury, said that as a motel owner he believed that
facilities such as this were needed. The building plans looked good and rates were
competitive. A motel would cause little additional congestion because it is not
a high turnover business.
Mr. Sicard noted that another fast food restaurant was planned for this
intersection; traffic would get worse.
Mr. Bodenweiser agreed but said that people are moving to the area and will
have to have services. Problems will occur, but progress is important.
Public Hearing Closed.
The Wan-en County Planning Board approved with the stipulation that the
applicants meet with the Beautification Committee.
Mr. Mesinger said the Planning Board approved the site plan with the same
stipulation.
Mr. Muller MOVED APPROVAL of Use Variance No. 1184 as the applicant
demonstrates a hardship (unique piece of property and there is Highway Commercial
zoning and use on the opposite side of the street). The property has 2 residences.
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It is unattractive for light industrial use due to the shape of the lot. The use is less
V burdensome as to traffic than the other permitted light industrial uses. Approval
is subject to the Beautification Committees recommendations.
Mr. Kelley seconded.
Passed Unanimously.
USE VARIANCE NO. 1187
L.E.D. F.O.O.T. Express
Mrs. Goetz read the application to expand a shipping and delivery business
on Luzerne Road in the LI zone.
Mr. Slack, owner, explained that people will bring in packages which will then
be trans felTed to other shippers such as Federal Express.
Mr. Mesinger said he was unsure whether this required a variance. After some
discussion Board members agreed that it did not; distribution was an allowed use
in the LI zone.
Mr. Sicard MOVED that no variance was needed. This proposal meets zoning
cri teria.
Mr. Griffin seconded.
Passed Unanimously.
USE VARIANCE NO. 1189
Federal Express Corporation
Mrs. Goetz read the application from the Federal Express Corporation to place
a drive through kiosk in the parking lot of the Northgate Shopping Center in the
PC zone.
Mr. Mesinger said that the list of permitted uses in the PC zone was restrictive
and although similar to many, this was not among the permitted uses.
Kathy Tsitsos explained the proposal for a small drive through kiosk where
people could drop off packages. The building would occupy 10 parking spaces. No
landscaping was planned due to its small size. There would be 1 employee. The
building would be removed if the company goes out of business.
Mr. Behr questioned whether the reasonable return criteria could be met since
additional stores could be built in the parking lot.
Mr. Mesinger said that additional buildings would have to meet permeability
and parking requirements. This was a somewhat unique situation. The center had
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more than adequate parking; spaces would still be over code if this use was allowed.
Public Hearing Opened:
Robert Slack, Queensbury, said there \Vas a need for a Federal Express office
in this area. They are a clean neat operation.
Mr. Kelley asked how many packages this would hold. Mr. Slack said it would
replace drop boxes and was of adequate size to handle current volumes.
Public Hearin~ Closed.
The Beautification Committee reported that there were no plans.
The WalTen County Planning Board approved without comment.
Mr. Kelley MOVED APPROVAL of Use Variance No. 1189. The use falls into
the category of Plaza Commercial lA zone and its permitted uses. It just isn't listed
as a specific use. This use would not be detrimental to the ordinance. For the size
(20 ft. by 30 ft.) of the property to be used there would be no reasonable return
in the Plaza Commercial zone. Hardship to the applicant is as follows:
It is unlikely that property small enough for this use could be found.
Second by Mr. Turner
Passed 6 yes, 1 abstention (Sicard)
SIGN VARIANCE NO. 119Z
Federal Express Corporation
Mrs. Goetz read the application to place 4 wall signs on the above approved
kiosk in lieu of the 1 allowed.
Mr. Behr pointed out that a 5th sign was shown on the satellite dish receiver
on the kiosk roof.
Kathy Tsitos said her concern was that customers be able to see the building.
She was worried about safety and the small size of the building.
Board members said that only 1 sign was allowed in this district and no real
hardship was shown.
The Board discussed the possibility of allowing a larger roof sign on a projecting
sign instead of a wall sign. Ms. Tsitos asked that the application be tabled so she
could consult with her corporate offices.
Mr. Turner MOVED that Sign Variance No. 1192 be TABLED at the request
of the applicant.
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Mr. Sicard seconded.
Passed Un=-nilnously.
AREA VARIANCE NO 1190
Northern Homes
Mrs. Goetz read the application from Northern Homes to construct an addition
to an existing building at a 30 foot setback in lieu of the required 50 feet in the
HC zone.
Gary Linindoll said that 30 feet would be the mInImum setback; other parts
of the structures would be as far as 36 feet away. He submitted a statement from
architect E. Choppa indicating that this was the most practical solution for a building
addition. A statement from 5 sWTounding neighbors was also submitted indicating
they had no objection to the proposal.
Public Hearing Opened:
Bill Bodenweiser, Queensbury, said that the company has greatly improved
the property. The existing buildings in the rear should be removed. The proposal
will enhance the property and should be approved.
Public Hearing Closed.
The WéUTen County Planning Board approved without comment.
Mrs. Goetz read a letter from N. Harwood Beatty in support of the proposal.
Mrs. Goetz read a letter from the Planning Board Chairman, Dick Roberts
indicating there did not appear to be any problem from a site perspective.
Mr. Griffin MOVED APPROVAL of Area Variance 1190. The applicants has
demonstrated practical difficulty which is that the proposed building has almost
the same setback as the prior building. There is no adverse effect on the neighborhood
character or public facilities. It will enhance the appearance of the building.
Mr. Sicard seconded.
Passed 6 yes, 1 abstention (Kelley)
USE VARIANCE NO. 1193
Edward and Norma Baertschi
Mrs. Goetz read the application to open a retail sporting goods store in a former
residence on Route 9 in the Recreation Commercial zone.
Ed Baertschi said the plan was to move an existing retaining wall back to create
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a parking lot. Enough spaces would be provided to meet code. The Beautification
Committee approved. He would sell camping and sporting goods. The property was
not feasible for a residence because of the noise and traffic generated by the
surrounding amusement park.
Public Hearing Opened:
Wayne Judge representing The Great Escape and Adirondack Attractions
Company said there was no demonstration of hardship or practical difficulty. The
applicant has simply requested permission for a different use. The applicants property
has been used as a residence and office for a print shop by his own admission. No
proof has been submitted that he cannot realize a reasonable return if used as zoned.
Small attractions near the amusement park are not an aesthetic credit to the area.
There would be signs, tents and canoes out front; it won't look good. There will
be traffic problems getting in and out. The Red Coach is across the street, but
it gets traffic in the evening while the park closes at 5 p.m. Traffic here would
be a problem. Although there is room for enough parking spaces, what would it
look like? There are many negatives, the only positive is the applicants desire to
change the property.
Public Hearing Closed.
Mr. Baertschi said that the parking lot would be in crushed stone to minimize
drainage and aesthetic concerns. His hardship is that renting this property for a
private dwelling is difficult. He has had a high renter turnover and numerous noise
complaints. The property is too small for use as an office. They won't be selling
tents or boats. The Beautification Committee approved the plans. The print shop
has been there since 1960 without creating a traffic hazard. The Red Coach also
serves lunch and is open in the afternoon. There are large billboards on the south
property line; the lot is 105 feet by 150 feet. They have been approached to sell
the property but do not feel that the offers have been reasonable. The property
was for sale unsuccessfully 5 to 6 years ago.
Mr. Judge said that if the issue is salability Mr. Baertschi should reveal his
price.
Mr. Kelley said there are many permitted uses in this zone and asked whether
he had attempted sale for any of them.
Mr. Baertschi said the property had been a retail use since 1960. He did not
feel he could get enough money out of the sale of the property to adequately replace
the present print shop and residence for his son.
The WalTen County Planning Board approved with the provIsIon that there
be only one curb cut and the existing retaining wall be moved back to provide parking.
Mr. Sicard MOVED APPROVAL of Use Variance 1193. Hardship has been
demonstrated - to rent or sell as a home is impossible. The property is too small
to create an expansion for any business as pertaining to a reasonable return. The
surrounding noise is an extraordinary circumstance pertaining to this lot. A variance
is necessary to preserve the applicant's property rights. There is retail use on the
property now. The variance is not detrimental to the ordinance or sUlTounding area.
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This approval is conditioned upon the Beautification Committee recommendations
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Mr. Muller seconded.
Passed UnRniwnously.
AREA VARIANCE NO. 1196
Fred and Jane Alexy
Mrs. Goetz read the application to create a nonconforming (undersized) lot
on the Cleverdale Road in the Lakeshore Residential IA zone.
Fred Alexy explained that the variance was requested to even out property
lines caused by the sale of a home for estate settlement purposes. This would allow
the Alexys to own a continuous strip of property on the east shore of Cleverdale
point. A deed restriction would prohibit building on this lot. An easement to allow
maintenance of an existing septic system would be given to the new owners on the
west shore. Mr. Alexy submitted a copy of the deed restrictions. Mr. Alexy noted
that these restrictions were a conditions of sale.
Public Hearing Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
Mrs. Goetz read a letter from Fred Coe, Raleigh, N.C., in support of the
application.
The Warren County Planning Board approved with the condition that deed
restrictions should prohibit building on the lot and that it should not be used for
access to the lake by anybody other that the owners.
Mr. Muller MOVED APPROVAL of Area Variance 1196. The applicant
demonstrated practical difficulty and met the tests which are as follows. There
is no adverse effect on the neighborhood. character; no adverse effect on public
facilities. There aren't any feasible alternative that would be adequate. The applicant
demonstrated specific terms of Easement Agreement. No building of any kind will
be built on this lot. This enhances the surrounding lots.
Second by Mr. Behr.
Passed Unanimously.
USE VARIANCE NO. 1197
Bradmark Broadcasting Company
Mrs. Goetz read the application to place a 180 foot tall radio antenna on land
south of the Big Boom Road.
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no tower. Two previous variance requests were denied. The applicant looked hard
to find an isolated site such as this. The site was wet and had been for sale without
success for 10 years. The tower would be thin, gray and non polluting. Large
billboards already existed on the site.
Mr. Shackner submitted a letter from Carl DeSantis indicating the land had
been for sale for 10 years with no offers.
Mr. Shackner submitted a letter from licensed real estate broker Dennis
Galloway indicating that the proposal would not effect the value or aesthetics of
the property.
Mr. Shackner emphasized that the hardship criteria had been met.
Public Hearin~ Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
Mr. Behr MOVED APPROVAL of Use Variance 1197 inasmuch as the property
to be used hasn't been able to be used as zoned. Hardship has been proven because
of its isolation; it won't be detrimental to anything in the area. No approved radio
tower locations exist, this will be a suitable use for the property.
Second by Mr. Griffin.
Passed Unanimously.
AREA VARIANCE NO. 1198
Elizabeth Russell
Mrs. Goetz read the application to construct a residence on a Z acre parcel
in the SR 30 zone off of Birdsall Road which does not front on a Town Road.
Attorney Mark Shackner represented the applicant. The Board discussed the
location of the Right of Way and indicated that a Right of Way Easement would
have to be part of the deed.
Public Hearing Opened:
Harley Dewey said he was opposed to building on the lot because its not on
a public road.
Mr. Behr asked why, since Mr. Dewey lived on the same road.
Mr. Dewey said he was still opposed.
Anthony Orsini said the road isn't taken care of. He has to fill the holes in
it. Someone should care for it.
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Mr. Behr asked if he lived on the road.
Mr. Orsini said he did, but predated the ordinance.
Mr. Behr said the situation was identical to his. Why the objection?
Mr. Orsini said he had a right to object. He is the only person who takes care
of the road. Mr. Kelley suggested that perhaps the applicant might be willing to
help with road maintenance.
Bill Phalen said he was opposed and asked if beach rights went with the property.
Mr. Turner said that had nothing to do with the variance request.
Rita Dewey said she wanted it stressed that no one should be allowed to build
on the beach.
Mr. Muller explained that this was covered by deed rights to the property.
Mrs. Dewey said that the residents had rights too.
Mr. Muller said this was not the issue before the Board.
Public Hearing Closed.
The WalTen County Planning Board approved without comment.
Mr. Kelley MOVED APPROVAL of Area Variance No. 1198. The applicant
has demonstrated practical difficulty by having property that doesn't front on a
public road. A deeded right of way exists to use the private road to the public road.
The variance would not be detrimental to the ordinance.
Second by Mr. Sicard.
Passed Un::ani'lllOusly.
AREA VARIANCE NO. 1199
Edwin Winchipp
Mrs. Goetz read the application to construct a storage addition at less than
the required side and rear setbacks on commercial property on Sweet Road in the
HC-lS zone.
Mr. Winchipp explained that his business had been there since 1964. Room
for additional storage was needed. Side setbacks would be 7 and 10 feet, exactly
the same as the existing building. The requirement is 20 feet. The rear setback
would be 6 feet. The requirement is 20 feet. The septic system would be unaffected.
Public Hearing Opened:
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business and he was glad it was expanding. The expansion will block his view of
several mobile homes which are an eyesore.
Public Hearing Closed.
The Queensbury Beautification Committee disapproved as no plans were
submitted. Mr. Eddy subsequently received a planting plan.
The Warren County Planning Board disapproved without comment. Mr. Mesinger
noted nobody was there to represent the application.
Mr. Sicard MOVED APPROVAL of Area Variance 1199 as the business predated
zoning. There would be no adverse effect on public facilities. There are no other
feasible alternatives.
Second by Mr. Turner.
Passed Unanimously.
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Evergreen Professional ParkjSDC Associates
Mrs. Goetz read the application to sell one-half of an office building with
a 0 foot side setback at the Evergreen Professional Park on Dixon Road.
Attorney Dennis Phillips explained that a use variance had been granted for
an office park here. One building was constructed. It was desired to sell half of
the second building to the Adirondack Mountain Club for office space. The club
was seen as a desirable tenant. Adequate parking existed. The parking lot would
not be used as a staging area for trips. The developers would have right of first
refusal if the club decided to sell the building. The variance was required because
there would be no setback between the 2 building halves.
Public Hearing Opened:
John Schutz, part owner, spoke in favor of the application. The ADK was
a desirable tenant. A fire wall would separate the two buildings. No plans existed
to sell part of the 3rd building at the present time. The club employs less than 12
people. Parking is adequate.
Public Hearing Closed.
The Warren County Planning Board approved without comment.
Mr. Griffin MOVED that Area Variance 1202 be APPROVED. Practical difficulty
has been demonstrated - 0 ft. setback, common property line and dual ownership.
Second by Mrs. Goetz.
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AREA VARIANCE NO. lZ03
Lake Sunnyside Estates
Attorney Mike O'Connor requested that the Board grant a variance for lots
I,Z,3,14,15, and 16 in the Lake Sunnyside subdivision. This is a subdivision approved
in 1974 - each lot in question is under the current zoning requirement of 30,000
square feet. The Zoning Ordinance states that preexisting subdivisions which do
not meet density requirements were grandfathered for 3 years from the 1982 adoption
date. After that time the Planning Board is to review subdivision for overall density.
Mr. O'Connor owned 9 contiguous lots which he wished to sell. He planned to
consolidate 3 lots into 2 and asked the Board for a variance from lot size requirements
for the remaining 6.
The Board discussed at length the ordinance requirement for density review.
It was finally agreed that the ordinance did not specify when review should occur.
Further, the ordinance did not address the question of whether variances should
be given before or after density review. The Board determined that it was within
its power to grant the variances if it so chose. Board members felt the situation
wàs little different from the Ridge Knolls subdivision where variances are commonly
given from the current 42 acre lot size requirement.
Board members agreed that a practical difficulty existed as the lots predated
the ordinance. Density would stay the same or be reduced. The actual amount of
the variance was minimal.
Public Hearing Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
Mrs. Goetz read a letter from James and Janet Barcus and Stephen R. Fink;
opposed to the variance.
The Warren County Planning Board approved without comment.
Mr. Kelley MOVED APPROVAL of Area Variance 1203. Practical difficulty
has been demonstrated in that there is only so much land left in the preexisting
subdivision. The lots, as originally shown are not substantially different from what
is required now. This is a minimum variance to alleviate practical difficulty - no
increase in density.
Second by Mr. Muller.
Passed Unanimously.
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Theodore Turner, Chairman
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Minutes prepared by Stuart F. Mesinger
Senior Planner