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APRIL 5, 2004 RES#185-204
7:05 P.M. B.H. 7-8
L.L. 2, 04
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT
SUPERVISOR DANIEL STEC
COUNCILMAN ROGER BOOR
COUNCILMAN THEODORE TURNER
COUNCILMAN JOHN STROUGH
COUNCILMAN TIM BREWER
TOWN COUNSEL
ROBERT HAFNER
TOWN OFFICIALS
WATER SUPERINTENDENT, RALPH VAN DUSEN
DEPUTY WASTEWATER DIRECTOR, MIKE SHAW
DIRECTOR BUILDING & CODES, DAVE HATIN
BUDGET OFFICER, JENNIFER SWITZER
PRESS
POST STAR
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PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN ROGER BOOR
SUPERVISOR STEC-Opened meeting.
RESOLUTION ENTERING QUEENSBURY BOARD OF HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO. 185, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns
from Regular Session and moves into the Queensbury Board of Health.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec
Noes: None
Absent:None
PUBLIC HEARING
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SEWAGE DISPOSAL VARIANCE APPLICATION – STEVE & DEBBY
SEABOYER
STEVE SEABOYER AND TOM CENTER, NACE ENGINEERING
PRESENT
NOTICE SHOWN
MR. CENTER-The project that we’re proposing is to install twenty-eight linear
feet of Eljen system to replace an existing holding tank that the resident currently
uses. We meet all the setbacks except for the setback from the lake. We’re
looking for approximately seventeen feet of relief from the lake. Our only setback
that is at the narrowest point, which is up actually not in the drainage flow path out
towards the lake, the overland flow goes out towards the boathouse and out that
way where we have larger separation. We’ve got details for an infiltration trench
along the road to collect storm water that comes off from the road in the direction
that now normally would drain over this area where the new leach field would be.
This is currently a two bedroom camp the Seaboyer’s are going to maintain it as a
two bedroom house they would like to be able to live there year round, currently
they have to pump the tank out often. What they are looking to do is replace the
holding system with a septic system. The soils have native loamy sand and fine
sand with a good perk rate of four minutes thirty seconds. That’s the project in a
nutshell if there are any questions. I know there was a question in regards to the
gallons per bedroom; I had the opportunity to talk to Mr. Nice the hundred and ten
gallons per bedroom comes with the change of water saving fixtures that we will
be installing in the house. Mr. Hatin might be able to enlighten further on where
that code comes from. I know it’s within the individual residential handbook that
when you replace the fixtures with water saving fixture it brings you to a hundred
and ten gallons per bedroom, which for this residence would equal two hundred
and twenty gallons total.
SPERVISOR STEC-Questions from the board for the applicant before we open the
public hearing?
COUNCILMAN TURNER-I’ve got a question. Mr. Seaboyer how long have you
owned the house?
MR. SEABOYER-Approximately three years.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Always a holding tank there, were there holding tanks
there when you moved there?
MR. SEABOYER-Yes, sir.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Why wouldn’t you fit another holding tank in there to
get rid of the excess sewage rather going through this, not meeting the setback
from the lake? It just seems like it’s kind of in the wrong place. That’s real bad up
there everything is so close. You are close to the road, close to your neighbor.
The other question is how about the wells? You have nothing on here about the
wells except to say that no wells were observed in any adjacent property, do you
know that for a fact?
MR. CENTER-I walked the area I believe everyone takes their water from the lake
in that area.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Are we sure of that for sure, we’re not are we?
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MR. CENTER-Absolutely positive, no. A septic system was located just to the
property to the north of ours. I had a chance to review that there was no wells
located or anything for that one. That one is for a three-bedroom system and the
soil they are actually built on till and the soil is worse for that system. To the north
of us we have a little bit better soil in this property. We sit lower than the new
system that would up above us. I walked the area I believe, I talked to one or two
of the neighbors on either side and they didn’t have any wells. Looked for visual
wells couldn’t find any. I was also told that the water in that area has sulfur,
people that have drilled wells have hit sulfur water so it was my understanding that
pretty much everyone on that point pulled from the lake.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Your flow rate is two hundred and twenty gallons
per minute.
MR. CENTER-Yes, sir.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Town Code 136, table four, for a two bedroom house
has a flow rate of three hundred gallons per day and a trench length of a hundred
and twenty five linear feet, which correlates to thirty eight feet if you use the Eljen
system where as, you are only proposing twenty eight feet. New York State
Department of Health has a minimum and maximum and it runs between two sixty
and three hundred gallons per day flow it is suggested infiltration bed lengths of a
hundred and five to a hundred and twenty five feet. All of which would seem that
the length of the Eljen system being proposed is somewhat inadequate for this
house according to the DOH and according to our Town Code.
MR. CENTER-To answer that the Department of Health for water saving fixtures
allows two hundred and twenty gallons per minute or a hundred and ten gallons per
bedroom. I would have to defer to Mr. Hatin as far as the Town Code in regards to
that aspect. I was under the understanding that a hundred and ten gallons per
bedroom with new water saving fixtures is allowed; I’m not familiar with what you
are proposing.
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-Tom is right John,
remember the red book we held up a couple of weeks ago at a workshop the red
book?
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Did we get a copy of that?
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-No, I’ve got one in my
office, but I can get you one. That’s what Mike handed you that night in the
workshop. The red book, which is an updated Manuel updated in 1996 allows for
a hundred and ten gallons a day per bedroom on water saving fixtures for anything
1991 and newer so that’s where they are getting the flows. If they change all the
fixtures in the house that they are proposing they can take advantage of that
hundred and ten gallons per day.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-You can confirm this what they are proposing would
be the absolute minimum.
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-Right, which is all the code
requires.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Also, if I look at Code 136, Appendix F, it says sub-
surface conditions shall be determined by digging a hole five feet deeper than the
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anticipated depth of the proposed leaching facility, five feet deeper. What’s the
depth of the leaching facility below surface?
MR. CENTER-The depth of the leaching facility actually it’s right at the surface
and we’re at sixty inches. The bottom of the leaching facility would be at the
existing grade and we went down fifty-six inches plus or minus from the hole that
we dug. So we’re four inches off on the test pit from where the bottom of the Eljen
system would sit. The system is a shallow system it will be sitting at grade and
there is fill that will be coming in. As it is the fill slopes down we will be putting a
retaining wall up and around and bringing in fill up to this level. If you look at the
cross section on drawing number two, which shows that so, sixty inches, five feet,
I’m off four inches from where we are.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Did you hit bedrock at fifty-six?
MR. CENTER-What’s that?
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Did you hit bedrock?
MR. CENTER-No, sir there was no bedrock observed in the test hole.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Alright and you experienced modeling at three feet?
MR. CENTER-Yes, sir.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-That’s the absolute minimum because if you look at
Town Code 136, Appendix B, it says, seasonal high groundwater within one
thousand feet of Lake George a minimum is three feet and you are at the bare
minimum.
MR. CENTER-Yes, sir.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-So you are at the bare minimum as far as depth to the
water. You are at the minimum as far as the size of the proposed Eljen leaching
bed.
MR. CENTER-Yes, sir.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-And we have yet to get confirmation from the
neighbors if they do in fact have wells or not, as pointed out by Mr. Turner. Okay,
well, I’m not fully sold on this yet, but I’ll let somebody else talk if they want to
talk.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Any other questions from the board before we open the
public hearing?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Just a couple. You’ve been here three years Mr.
Seaboyer?
MR. SEABOYER-That’s correct.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-And you have a holding tank presently?
MR. SEABOYER-That’s correct.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-How often do you have that pumped?
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MR. SEABOYER-Every six weeks or so.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-And you are using this seasonally now?
MR. SEABOYER-That’s correct, yes. We do use it year round, but it’s not
everyday.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I’m probably the toughest on these as I’m sure your
Engineer has said we’ve had some other applications. As you probably read in the
paper the North Queensbury Sewer is highly unlikely at this point and time that it
will be done for a lot of reasons we don’t have time to talk about them tonight.
The reason we’re in that situation of needing sewers because we’ve essentially
over developed you know you can get arguments one way or the other on that.
People say no you can’t over develop, others say, yes we have. Where, I’m going
with this is that I’m not convinced at this point and time that this is the most
appropriate way to go. I’m totally opposed to it. I think Mr. Turner brought up a
good point as far as the wells. You are at bare minimum, which is understandably
it’s a minimum it’s legal; you know you are just at the lowest portion of threshold.
However, you are seeking twenty percent relief from your distance from the lake.
You’ve admitted or you believe your neighbors draw their water from the lake and
that they don’t have wells so it creates an interesting conundrum. At this point, I
would be reluctant to move this forward. I’m not totally opposed to it, but I’m not
really comfortable with it either, which is probably not any kind of advice that you
can take and do anything with. I’m just speaking out loud right now certainly two
of my other colleagues had some issues; which I think are valid and I have some
concerns, and I’m just going to wait probably until public comment, and maybe
any other board comments and think about it.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-What is the size of your holding tank right now?
MR. SEABOYER-One thousand gallon.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-On thousand gallon. The reason why we have this
infiltration trench along the road is to prevent runoff from the road and from the
lawn going into the leaching field, is that correct?
MR. CENTER-The location of the infiltration trench is the furthest location we
could get away from the lake. The in-between the existing asphalt paved areas use
the existing space that is there the preexisting green space that’s there.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-My point that I was getting at is since the leach field
is down slope from the road rain runoff will tend to go into your leach field.
MR. CENTER-That’s why we have an infiltration trench located uphill.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-That’s why you have an infiltration trench, but as the
road gets sanded and plowed and the sand plugs up the infiltration trench then the
runoff will go right into the leach field.
MR. CENTER-We’ve humped up the leach field it has a crown to it, which in turn
will take the water from down any water that backs up in here will eventually go
down the asphalt driveway and down around it won’t go up and over. The crown
of the leach field if you look on the detailed sheet will take the water around and
over to that asphalt driveway and down.
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COUNCILMAN BREWER-Down where?
MR. CENTER-It will go towards the lake and across the grass as it does now.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-It will be contained on your property?
MR. CENTER-Yes, it will stay on this property both driveways are….
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Once it hits the asphalt driveway it’s going to tend to
go south, right the flow?
MR. CENTER-It will go to the west.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Actually east, yeah west.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-What kind of storm water devices do you have to
make sure and assure that the drainage does flow towards the lake and not on
somebody’s property?
MR. CENTER-It will follow the natural path. It’s not going to go uphill the actual
next piece of property is higher as you down this road it goes up. This person to the
north sits higher so we’re actually kind of at the lowest point the water travels
down and across actually only half of this road comes across onto the property.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Where that starts is three, three, five the property line
the next property is three thirty seven.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-That’s south of the property. You are saying that the
flow….
MR. CENTER-This house actually sits higher. If the topo were to show further up
this house actually sits higher than this driveway. There is a little hill here that
starts right where those three trees are.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-That’s north.
MR. CENTER-To the north, yes.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-My point is that the road is about three hundred and
thirty eight feet. The leach field you are proposing is between three thirty five and
three thirty six…
MR. CENTER-No, sir the top of the leach field is three thirty-seven point eighty
five.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-The bottom of the leach field will be between three
thirty five and three thirty six.
MR. CENTER-Yes.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Which still has a tendency if that drainage system
gets plugged up it’s still going to tend to absorb some runoff maybe a minimum.
MR. CENTER-If any. If that gets plugged up and it needs to travel somewhere it
will travel down because our system has a crest to it so it’s going to follow the path
of least resistance.
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COUNCILMAN STROUGH-I know that the bottom of your system is also part of
your infiltration system.
MR. CENTER-That’s correct, but if the water can’t get through the infiltration
trench to the septic system.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-If that gets saturated then the infiltration is not going
to work that’s just a concern and to me it’s one of my smallest, thank you.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Anything else?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I have one other one. I guess I’ll start with Dave. Eljen
systems are they considered pervious? When we look at percentage of impervious
types of structures on a property is an Eljen system considered pervious or
impervious?
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-Pervious.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-So it’s allowed to have stuff flow on to it.
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-It’s designed to take a
certain amount of rainwater, I guess you would say from natural source.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I guess what I’m getting at is when I look at this parcel
it’s all asphalt, and roof, and deck, and concrete. We’re talking about channeling
this water I don’t know where it ever gets to go into soil to be cleaned….
MR. CENTER-The water that comes off the house?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-The water that comes off the road, off of your thing next
to the road that runs down the driveway.
MR. CENTER-It’s only half of the road actually this infiltration trench is designed
to take the whole road so it’s larger than it needs to be for that area.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I think that’s my point. You are taking all the runoff
from the road and you are putting it on your property that has very little capability
of draining or cleaning water.
MR. CENTER-It currently goes across that grass right now towards the house.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I know.
MR. CENTER-In that same area.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Exactly and now that’s where you are putting your leach
field.
MR. CENTER-We are protecting a leach field from the storm water.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-So we can subtract that from the amount of area that will
now be able to handle runoff. It’s one or the other it can’t be both.
MR. CENTER-We’ve provided it in a different area as opposed to just going
across the grass.
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COUNCILMAN BOOR-You can’t do that anymore.
MR. CENTER-That’s not doing that it’s now going into a smaller area and being
held to detain into the ground.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-It is accelerated towards the lake at a greater quantity.
Before it could use this area that you are going to put the leach field in to directly
go from the road where the leach field is. Now, you are not letting it go there you
are making it go north and then down the driveway to the lake.
MR. CENTER-Only if as Mr. Strough said if when that happens the sand fills up
the infiltration trench, which they may or may not happen for twenty, thirty, forty
years it’s very tough to….
COUNCILMAN BOOR-If it doesn’t fill up where does the water from the
infiltration trench go?
MR. CENTER-Down into the ground where the percolation rate…
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Into your leach field, correct?
MR. CENTER-It goes down into the ground similar to as it does now. It’s outside
the leach field it’s before it gets to the leach field.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Is it an elevation higher than the leach field or lower than
the leach field the drainage trench?
MR. CENTER-It would be…
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Higher. So it is only natural that it would run downhill
water typically runs downhill. I would assume it is going to go into your leach
field at maybe the fifty-six inch depth that you are talking, the bottom of this thing
will be, is that reasonable or no?
MR. CENTER-It’s fine well-drained soil.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I don’t mean to be arguing with you.
MR. CENTER-We checked the soil it is fine well-drained soil. It has to go
somewhere as opposed to putting a grass swale in there and taking it down and
accelerating it towards the lake it was decided to put the trench here and detain it
so that it has an opportunity to flow. It is a very minimal amount of water that
comes off the road because it is half the road and we’ve sized it for larger than that.
If that’s a concern we can go back to putting a grass swale in here and allow it to
go down to the asphalt and then we can move that infiltration trench down at the
end of the driveway and hold it up there and allow it to perk into the ground there
so it’s not going directly into the lake. There is not enough flow to warrant a
drywell and there is the location since the board has looked at storm water so
closely that’s why I put the infiltration trench here. If you feel that it’s a concern
with storm water possibly getting into the Eljen system we can provide a swale
there and provide the infiltration area down at the end of the driveway.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-One other thing you’ve got two asphalt drives are there
two driveways to this property?
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MR. CENTER-Yes, sir.
MR. SEABOYER-One thing you should know is we’re very concerned, as you are,
about conservation storm water management is important to us as well. I believe
that this is going to give us better storm water management then we have now.
The front lawn to this property drops off about five feet from the road level down
to the entrance to the house hence the retaining wall that would build this up to
nearly road level with a new bed of well graded and drained material for the Eljen
system. So the drainage trench I didn’t look at this closely enough I’m sorry to
say, I believe exits before it gets to the driveway Tom is that correct?
MR. CENTER-It would actually exit out….
MR. SEABOYER-It goes in that direction. There is no way that the drainage from
the road is going to make it on to our neighbor’s property. There is a twenty five
to thirty foot stretch of grass and plants that all of our storm water runs through
before it gets to the lake. I’ve never seen any turbid water entering the lake
through the entrance pipe. The other thing that you we’re concerned about and
we’re glad it’s going to be a part of this is the new appliances in the house that will
definitely cut down on the amount of water that will enter into any wastewater
disposal system that is installed or that is there currently for that matter. What, we
want you to know we certainly appreciate your concerns about all of this and I
know this is a sensitive area up there in Rockhurst, but we’re really looking
forward to being full-time residents up there within a few years this is an important
part of the step toward that. I just wanted to address some of your thoughts and let
you know that some of your concerns are mine, too.
SUPERVISOR STEC-With that said, I’ll open the public hearing. Any residents
that would like to comment for or against or ask questions regarding this variance
for setback for the proposed septic system located up on Rockhurst please raise
your hand, step forward, Mr. Salvador. If you all would just have a seat nearby
and yield the microphone to the public.
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR. JOHN SALVADOR-Good evening, thank you, my name is John Salvador.
Firstly, I think it is improper to consider the area of any leaching device as
impermeable.
SUPERVISOR STEC-He didn’t he said it was permeable.
MR. SALVADOR-It was, excuse me that it is permeable. Fully a major portion of
wastewater passing through an infiltration device leaves it through a phenomenon
called evapo-transportation it goes up that’s why the grass is green over the leach
field. To consider that as pervious just dampens that phenomena and I don’t think
it’s a fair consideration. Dave Hatin mentioned that all fixtures would be
converted to low flow what does that include?
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-Sinks, faucets, toilets,
showerheads.
MR. SALVADOR-Washing machines?
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-Washing machines do not
have low flow fixtures.
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MR. SALVADOR-Dishwashers?
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-They do not have low flow
fixtures either.
MR. SALVADOR-Jacuzzi’s?
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-I don’t believe they have a
Jacuzzi in this residence.
MR. SALVADOR-Someday the Jacuzzi is going to be just standard fair. I would
like to share with you on the subject of the number of bedrooms. We tend to be
very laissez faire in this regard. I would like to share with you a statement in the
Town Code from the Town of Lake George, which is subject to the same public
health code that this Town is the same DEC regulations. This is how they address
the issue of bedrooms. Present and future possible usage of the disposal system
shall be considered when estimating sewage flow. The design method shall use the
number of bedrooms with at least two persons per bedroom. If more than two
persons occupy a bedroom or if a sleeping porch, den, or recreation room maybe
used for additional occupancy these factors shall be taken into consideration in
designing the system. Expansion attics may provide for one or more bedrooms and
shall be calculated accordingly. I think you have to take a look at the potential of
this dwelling and I’m not familiar at all with the design of it the layout; if it may
accommodate additional occupancy it should be considered in the design. Finally,
I would like to read a paragraph from public health code as it addresses use of
alternate systems. Alternate designs as showed herein maybe considered by the
local health department on a limited experimental basis or for replacement systems
on difficult sites. Incidentally, I don’t think there is any sign of failure of this
system is there, we’re not experiencing failure so we don’t have a pollution
problem?
DIRECTOR OF BUILDING & CODES, MR. HATIN-The applicant can answer
that, but to my knowledge, no.
MR. SALVADOR-Performance monitoring of these systems should be required.
It’s one thing to design a system, put it in, you figure its going to work, but the
health code is recommending for alternate systems that some form of monitoring
be in place to be sure that we’re achieving what we’re trying to do. I would
recommend that it be done here also, thank you.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Would anyone like to speak for or against, ask questions
yes, Mr. Naylor.
PAUL NAYLOR-I’ve known Mr. Seaboyer for over twenty years. He’s a true
gentlemen and he would do nothing to hurt the property that he owns. I hear you
talking about drainage coming off the road that’s your problem not his you are
suppose to take care of the drainage if he has a problem with your water that’s your
fault not his, thank you.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Would anyone else like to speak from the public regarding
this variance anyone at all don’t be shy? With that would the applicants please
come back to the microphone we kind of got a little ahead of ourselves normally
we would ask more questions who knows maybe there are a lot more questions.
Town Board any additional questions or comments. There was a question asked by
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Mr. Salvador are you or are you not in a failure mode right now with your holding
tank?
MR. SEABOYER-No, we’re not in a failure mode. I had one other thing that I
neglected to say before. While Mr. Turner brings up a good question I can’t give
you an affidavit that there are no wells within our area. I could virtually guarantee,
but not actually guarantee that there are no wells. We have been in touch with our
neighbors around the area I have a couple of letters from them from some of
immediate neighbors who have no problem at all with this proposed plan.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Are they part of the file?
MR. SEABOYER-No, I have them with me.
SUPERVISOR STEC-You don’t have them with you?
MR. SEABOYER-I do.
SUPERVISOR STEC-That would be useful.
MR. SEABOYER-Yeah, sure.
SUPERVISOR STEC-If you could give them to the Clerk and we will probably
ask her to read them into the record towards the end that’s helpful feedback. Your
neighbors are the most immediately impacted people generally in these variance
hearings we take the neighbors, especially the immediate neighbors concerns to
heart.
MR. SEABOYER-One is right next-door and the other party is three houses away
from us. We all get along they know that we have been anticipating moving up
there on a full time basis.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Just for purpose of clarification for the board and the public
neither you nor your agent Mr. Center are aware of any wells. In good faith you
did the best you could….
MR. CENTER-I walked both sides within the hundred-foot radius of the house
looking for a sign of wells on either side. I looked for pipes going out I was able to
see pipes going out to the lake signifying that they draw in lake water to know that
absolutely positively that they don’t have a well, no. When we started some of this
work people had left for the season. Again, going on this reviewing the actual
design I had an opportunity to look at the design for the house next to us, which to
the north was allowed a variance I believe their setback was ninety feet. There soil
was actually on top of dense till that had a forty-five minute perk rate. After
looking at that and seeing how that variance went and that they were allowed to get
the variance I preceded to do this because our soil is very well drained material.
Even though we are at the minimums we still have good, modeling is an indication
of possible high ground water at some point in time, but again this time of year you
may be able to find actual groundwater and measure it to that level and determine
if its at thirty six or if its actually lower than thirty six.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-What time of the year did you do the perk rate test?
MR. CENTER-The perk test was in December. The deep test pit was in August,
I’m sorry February of this year I did a perk test.
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COUNCILMAN BOOR-You did a perk test in February?
MR. CENTER-Yes, sir. I dug below the frost and did the test there. It’s normal I
was outside of the frost area it says on the date.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I’m surprised you could get water in February.
MR. CENTER-I carried water in.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I mean, I’m surprised you didn’t carry ice in.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Town Board any other questions for the applicant?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-What is the elevation of the lake.
SUPERVISOR STEC-You had to ask that question.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-You give two elevations here then I have no idea.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Three nineteen point four seven.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-That’s the average.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-What is it?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Three nineteen point four seven you didn’t think I
knew that did you Roger.
SUPERVISOR STEC-I’m impressed it’s not even your Ward.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-It’s on the map.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-You have a thirty percent drop from the deck to the lake.
If you are at three thirty seven and it goes to three nineteen?
MR. CENTER-That finish flow elevation is the finish floor of the garage. The
finish floor of the house is three thirty four sixteen closer to the northeast corner,
do you see the finish floor elevation there?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-You are dropping fifteen feet then from the lake.
MR. CENTER-The basement has a walkout basement to that lower deck area.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I guess going back to what Mr. Salvador said I tend to
think with Eljen evaporation is why these things work. I don’t consider it
permeable, I don’t think you should flood Eljen systems with storm water runoff.
If correctly or incorrectly, I take that for granted and say that this should not be
flooded you’ve got like sixty to seventy percent of this property in concrete, and
wood, and asphalt, I mean is that a fair assessment.
MR. CENTER-That’s correct. I haven’t done the calculations, but there is….
COUNCILMAN BOOR-That’s a concern where is the water suppose to go?
MR. CENTER-The storm water from the road?
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COUNCILMAN BOOR-Any water.
MR. CENTER-The water from the driveways the north driveway obviously goes
straight down towards the lake. The water from the asphalt driveway here pitches
back and comes down into a grass area on the south side of the house. Then the
house itself has a roof drain that takes the water towards the west side of the house
and then they spread out across the grass.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-It drops down to fifteen feet to the lake essentially, right?
MR. CENTER-Right.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-It all goes to the lake. I guess I just have a problem with
the property’s ability to accept water until it gets within twenty feet of the lake.
There is no place for water to get down until it gets within twenty feet of the lake
then it has a fifteen foot pitch to the lake. Now, I haven’t been to the property and
I should go up there and I plan on doing it. When I look at this I look at the
elevations the numbers and the overview that’s what it looks like to me.
MR. CENTER-The Eljen is east of the house draining down into the existing
ground where the actual path of the water is it’s assumed down that’s how the
Department of Health calculates the area of absorption. To say it goes left, right,
you know where the exact flow separation distance.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I tend to think everything runs to the lake.
MR. SEABOYER-There is a retaining wall at the lake it’s about eight feet high.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Eight feet above water or eight feet above ground?
MR. SEABOYER-Above water.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Okay.
MR. SEABOYER-That takes eight of your fifteen feet of the fifteen feet drop out
of it. It’s really a reasonably gradual drop from the front lawn from the entrance to
the home down to the top of the wall if you will. You are absolutely correct if it
didn’t have that wall there it would be a pretty severe grade all the way down.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-What, may I ask, made you come in to get this
variance? If your system is working now we would of walked away from here you
could use your existing system what provoked you to get this? You just want to
upgrade the property I presume.
MR. SEABOYER-Upgrade the entire system, yes.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I think we have to keep in mind that if you were to
walk away from here tonight and we denied this variance you could use the
existing system he has now.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-And there would be no pollution to the lake whatsoever
because it is a holding tank.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Right.
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COUNCILMAN BOOR-That’s what makes it difficult. If you had a failing septic
system this would be a no-brainer, but you don’t. You’ve got a holding tank which
virtually doesn’t allow any contaminants to get to the lake whatsoever so you are
really asking us to say….
COUNCILMAN BREWER-You’re not putting it into the ground now you are
asking us to allow you to put it into the ground.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-That’s the troublesome part.
SUPERVISOR STEC-That was the question I was going to close with was the
impetus to move from a holding tank that is working.
MR. SEABOYER-It’s just a maintenance aspect.
SUPERVISOR STEC-How often just give me a flavor for….
MR. SEABOYER-Every six weeks.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-That’s without the water saving fixtures.
MR. SEABOYER-That’s correct and that’s when I’m not up there all the time.
MR. CENTER-That’s summer use.
SUPERVISOR STEC-That’s your summer use every six weeks. Between increase
usage and reduced water flow it’s safe to say it’s probably going to be right
around; it probably won’t change significantly from six weeks, it may go four
weeks, it may go eight weeks, but you are looking at about every six weeks. Mr.
Hatin do you have anything to add to the discussion?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-How much does an Eljen system cost, ballpark?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-That varies on the size.
MR. CENTER-I haven’t got prices for the wall and the fill and everything.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-If you had to guess?
SUPERVISOR STEC-I’m not sure that’s really our business. The point of
question is to provoke thought is how much are you gaining by getting away from
the tank.
MR. SEABOYER-The pump out is about two hundred dollars a month, per shot.
SUPERVISOR STEC-I’ll jump in and just say, I think that the board hit the nail on
the head that these are a lot easier if you have a failing system all systems fail
eventually that’s understood. We have encouraged people in situations that were
requesting variances and had failing systems to go to a tank system. I also
recognize that eighty two feet it’s all relative we’ve approved variances for a lot
less clearance not to say that every situation is unique so we don’t necessarily say
that there would be a precedent set here. We’ve approved less distance before, but
I think the driving factor is that you have a system that is working. Yes, it’s an
inconvenience and a maintenance cost to pump it every so often, but right now you
are not putting anything into the lake. That’s what I’m hearing the board saying is
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their main concern; I think it’s a good one. Are there any other questions or
discussions from the board before I ask the applicant if they have anything else?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I would just say if you don’t mind I would like to visit
your property to take a look at it.
MR. SEABOYER-Oh, absolutely.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-What is the square foot of the house and the garage
the building?
MR. SEABOYER-About eighteen hundred and the garage you say?
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Yeah, the building size?
SUPERVISOR STEC-Floor area ratio what’s the floor area ratio do you know
Dave?
MR. SEABOYER-It’s a little more than that then.
SUPERVISOR STEC-I heard seventy percent.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-That’s impervious that’s with the asphalt, concrete, and
deck.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Your Town Code calls for sixty five percent
permeability. I think the floor area ratio is point two five. This wouldn’t meet that
in today’s standards this is existing so that’s neither here nor there.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I just have one other thing Dan to throw out why
couldn’t this; I personally more favor giving a variance from the lot in the back. If
you were to shift the Eljen back to the back portion of the lot within a foot or two
then you move it back to ninety two feet it makes it more attractive in my mind.
MR. CENTER-Closer to the road?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Absolutely.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Then you are going to get more road drainage, but as
Paul pointed out that’s not…
COUNCILMAN BREWER-That’s right that’s not his problem.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-It is if we don’t maintain it.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-We’re asking him to maintain something.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-No, were not.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-We are.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-We’re asking ourselves to…
COUNCILMAN BREWER-We’re asking him to maintain the runoff on his
property.
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COUNCILMAN BOOR-No, I’m not asking him to maintain it. I’m saying we’re
not the best stewards all the time.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-We have setbacks for a reason I think it’s to keep the
facilities like this away from being impacted by the…
COUNCILMAN BOOR-They will be plowing snow right on his system Tim.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-No, you don’t want to do that.
SUPERVISOR STEC-I agree. If you picked up eight or nine feet I think that
would change significantly the feelings of the board correct me if I’m wrong, I
doubt it would.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I’m just saying it’s an option.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Sure, it is anything further from the applicant? You’ve
heard our concerns.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-I’ve got a question about the road.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Go ahead Ted.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-The road in front of the house doesn’t have much of a
contour to it going east to west isn’t it kind of flat there?
MR. CENTER-It’s kind of flat. The way I looked at it is it almost looked like it
had enough of a crown that it did shed left to right down the middle line so we
were taking half we’re not getting the whole road.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Whose the neighbor across the road?
MR. CENTER-The neighbor across the road I don’t know who it is it’s probably
on one of the sheets there.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-If I remember right that’s a fair size house isn’t it?
MR. CENTER-Linda Kirshon, I think is across the road.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-That’s a fair size house isn’t it?
MR. CENTER-Their actual driveway the storm water sheds off onto that driveway.
Their asphalt, I believe…right up with the road they have a parking area in front of
their house right across from where we are. Again, that’s flowing in the opposite
direction that’s flowing east away.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-Their side of the lake.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Do you have anything else that you would like to add?
MR. CENTER-Are there any suggestions from the board as Mr. Brewer said that
would make this more approvable to allow an Eljen system, we’re open to any
suggestions? The storm water I offered to put a grass swale at the edge of the road
and take it towards that driveway. Move the Eljen system closer towards the road
and then provide an infiltration trench down along side the driveway and at the end
of that asphalt driveway on the north end to account for holding that water up.
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COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Have you ever been on Rockhurst Road on a busy
summer day you can’t find parking on the side of the road everyone parks there.
MR. CENTER-I’m saying providing on the edge of the existing asphalt road and at
the bottom to detain the storm water and allow it to infiltrate into the ground and
not go directly to the lake. We could move the Eljen system closer to the road
further away from the lake. Again, I’m not quite familiar with the property to the
north, but that was a larger house in worse soil that was allowed to build up a
system on there we have much better soil here percolation wise. If you would like
us to try to go out this spring and locate groundwater attempt to locate groundwater
if it’s acceptable to the applicant I’ll try to locate actual groundwater so that we get
a feel for where it may be as opposed to modeling.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I certainly want to see the property rather than just look at
a map, I don’t want to send you away with a false impression. Right now I’m
comfortable with the way it is because it’s not impacting the lake negatively that
doesn’t mean my mind couldn’t be changed. Based on what I’m seeing, reading,
and hearing I need to actually see the property and be convinced otherwise.
MR. SEABOYER-Could you give the letters, correspondence you have to the
Clerk and I’ll ask her to read those in at this point.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-What are you suggesting Roger that we table possibly
and go up and look at it?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-I won’t vote yes on approving this that’s up to you guys.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-The biggest thing against this application is the fact
that he has a holding tank the system work he has to pump it, but it works.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Like Roger said if he puts in water saving fixtures
now he’ll save on pumping out the septic.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-It depends on how much traffic there is there, too.
MR. CENTER-If he uses it year round it will be greater than a thousand dollars a
year possibly to pump it all out verses installing a system.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-You know as well as I do because you do this for a living
if we granted everybody a variance that place would be a mess.
MR. CENTER-This particular use is two bedrooms, two-person retirement home
today.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Today.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-We deal with them individually. Everybody says it’s a
two-person, but when you look at the cumulative effect it’s seven, eight hundred
people that are doing this it’s not fair to look at it segmented.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Karen if I could ask you read in the correspondence.
DEPUTY TOWN CLERK O’BRIEN-Read the following into the record.
March 2004
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To Our Neighbors:
By now you should have received a notice that we are designing a modern septic
system for our home at 83 Rockhurst. Basically, we are requesting a variance from
the 100 foot town setback requirement to 82 + feet in order to fit the system on our
property.
We hope you will have no problem with this improvement, and that we can count
on your support. However, if you have any questions about our plans, please call
us at 371-1683.
Thank you,
Steve & Debby Seaboyer
83 Rockhurst Road
If we can use your name as neighbor who has no objection to our request for this
variance, please sign below. Thanks again.
Jeffery Clark
77 Rockhurst Road
PO Box 204
Cleverdale, NY 12820
Eric & Janet Reynolds
SUPERVISOR STEC No address?
DEPUTY TOWN CLERK O’BRIEN-No.
SUPERVISOR STEC-You said one of them in next-door and the other one three
doors down?
MR. SEABOYER-Mr. Clark is right next to us.
SUPERVISOR STEC-I’m hearing if I can summarize from the board, I’m hearing
that a majority of the board isn’t comfortable with this tonight and is thinking
about wanting to table it upon personal inspection. I think that it is also fair to say
that the board is inclined to point out that you have a working holding tank and in
fact, we have steered people that were in here for variances with problem septic
systems in cases similar to yours towards a holding tank is the board comfortable,
is that accurate?
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Ms. Beckerle is the example just down the road from
you.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Correct if I’m wrong, I’m not hearing that anyone would
like to move this?
COUNCILMAN TURNER-I would table it on further investigation of the system
that’s there so everybody takes a look at it.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Are you there now this time of year?
MR. SEABOYER-Weekends generally, but I can make an exception and come up
any time.
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SUPERVISOR STEC-I would leave it to the board members that would like to
meet with Mr. Seaboyer and go visit the site to make your own arrangements. In
the meantime…
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Can I just ask one question Mr. Supervisor?
SUPERVISOR STEC-Yes.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Are you closing the public hearing or you just
going to table action?
SUPERVISOR STEC-I was going to leave the public hearing open and not take
action.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-You are going to leave the public hearing opened,
okay I just wanted that for the record.
SUPERVISOR STEC-I’m sure that Dave can take this back to the hive and let him
know what we did tonight and work with Mr. Seaboyer and his agent. We can
move towards, I don’t know how long it will take but our next Regular Meeting is
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in two weeks and the next one after that will be May 3.
COUNCILMAN TURNER-I think it would be proper for us who ever wants to go
up go up there and look at it come back and tell you they’ve been there and then
we will schedule the hearing.
MR. CENTER-You’ll advise us.
SUPERVISOR STEC-We will leave the public hearing open. Town Staff will be
in contact with you to let you know what direction we think you should be heading
and work with you towards hopefully a resolution of some sort or you may decide
to stick with the holding tank. We won’t drag this out hopefully within four weeks
we will have some sort of resolution to this for you if that’s agreeable. Mr. Brewer
are you comfortable with that?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Yes.
SUPERVISOR STEC-John?
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Yeah, but I don’t want to waste his time.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Understood. I think hopefully you’ve got a good feel for
where we are all coming from tonight. It may very well be that sticking with the
holding tank maybe your final option. If you can work with us and put some of the
concerns at ease you may find that there are approvals out there, but we certainly
don’t want to mislead anybody.
MR. SEABOYER-Mr. Boor will act as the contact person with me?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Yes that will be fine I’m in the phone book are you?
MR. SEABOYER-I’ll give you a card.
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TABLED - PUBLIC HEARING TO REMAIN OPEN
RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING ON SEWAGE DISPOSAL
VARIANCE APPLICATION OF PATRICK CURTIN
RESOLUTION NO.: BOH 7, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board serves as the Town’s Local Board of Health and
is authorized by Town Code Chapter 136 to issue variances from the Town’s On-Site Sewage
Disposal Ordinance, and
WHEREAS, Patrick Curtin has applied to the Local Board of Health for a variance from
Chapter 136 to install an absorption field ninety two feet (92’) from Lake George instead of the
required one-hundred feet (100’) setback and three feet (3’) from the house foundation instead of
the required twenty feet (20’) on property located at 227 Assembly Point Road, Queensbury,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Local Board of Health for the Town of Queensbury will hold a public
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hearing on April 19, 2004 at 7:00 p.m. at the Queensbury Activities Center, 742 Bay Road,
Queensbury, to consider Patrick Curtin’s sewage disposal variance application concerning property
located at 227 Assembly Point Road, Queensbury (Tax Map No.: 226.19-2-22) and at that time all
interested persons will be heard, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Local Board of Health authorizes and directs the Queensbury Town
Clerk to publish the Notice of Public Hearing presented at this meeting and send a copy of the
Notice to neighbors located within 500 feet of Mr. Curtin’s property as required by law.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING QUEENSBURY BOARD OF HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO. BOH 8, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
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SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Board of Health hereby adjourns and moves
back into Regular Session.
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Duly adopted this 5 April, 2004, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner
Noes: None
Absent:None
PUBLIC HEARINGS
LOCAL LAW TO AMEND QUEENSBURY TOWN CODE BY ADDING A
NEW CHAPTER 9 ENTITLED “CREATION OF TOWN COURT CLERK
AND DEPUTY COURT CLERK POSITIONS
OPENED
NOTICE SHOWN
SUPERVISOR STEC-It probably would be simplest if I asked the Attorney to
introduce the purpose of this local law that we are entertaining this evening so that
the public is aware of how we got to this tonight.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-The Town Justices have asked that the Town Board
pass this Local Law creating these positions it seems that the positions were filled
quite a while ago. In the past it didn’t technically create the positions this is
necessary to create the positions that we have two people working in right now.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Is it fair to say that the purpose of this law is to close some
legal loose ends?
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Yes.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-It’s just compliance in other words.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-It’s just compliance.
SUPERVISOR STEC-This has nothing to do with Oaths of Office or anything like
that also fair to say?
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-These people do have to I believe file their Oaths
of Office and I believe they already have.
SUPERVISOR STEC-But, we don’t believe that it’s pertinent?
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Not to this particular local law.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Thank you. I would now at this point open the public
hearing for this local law to the public if anyone would like to come and comment
or question, for or against, any questions at all. Hopefully our Attorney was able
to clarify the purpose of the local law. Seeing none, any questions or comments? I
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know we discussed this I believe in a workshop meeting if I’m not mistaken. Are
there any comments or questions from Town Board, anything else from the public?
NO PUBLIC COMMENT
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
RESOLUTION ENACTING LOCAL LAW NO.: 2, OF 2004 TO AMEND
THE QUEENSBURY TOWN CODE BY ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 9
ENTITLED "CREATION OF TOWN COURT CLERK AND DEPUTY
COURT CLERK POSITIONS"
RESOLUTION NO. 186, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board wishes to consider adoption of Local Law No.:
2, 2004 to add a new Chapter 9 to the Queensbury Town Code entitled "Creation of Town Court
Clerk and Deputy Court Clerk Positions," which Chapter will create the Town Court Clerk and
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Deputy Court Clerk positions in compliance with New York State Civil Service Law 41(1)(d), and
WHEREAS, such legislation is authorized in accordance with New York State Town Law
§130 and Municipal Home Rule Law §10, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board duly held a public hearing concerning such proposed Local
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Law on April 5, 2004 and heard all interested persons, and
WHEREAS, a copy of the proposed Local Law has been presented at this meeting and is in
form approved by Town Counsel,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby enacts Local Law No.: 2, of 2004
entitled, "Creation of Town Court Clerk and Deputy Court Clerk Positions," which Chapter will
create the Town Court Clerk and Deputy Court Clerk positions in compliance with New York State
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Civil Service Law 41(1)(d), as presented at this meeting, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Queensbury Town
Clerk to file the Local Law with the New York State Secretary of State in accordance with the
provisions of the Municipal Home Rule Law and acknowledges that the Local Law will take effect
immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough
NOES : None
ABSENT:None
LOCAL LAW NO.: 2, OF 2004
A LOCAL LAW TO AMEND THE QUEENSBURY TOWN CODE BY
ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 9 ENTITLED "CREATION OF TOWN
COURT CLERK AND DEPUTY COURT CLERK POSITIONS”
BE IT ENACTED BY THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF
QUEENSBURY AS FOLLOWS:
Section 1. Title.
The Queensbury Town Code is hereby amended by adding a new Chapter 9
entitled “Creation of Town Court Clerk and Deputy Court Clerk Positions” as
follows:
§9-1. Findings; Purpose.
The Town of Queensbury Justice Court is currently fully staffed with Court Clerk and
Deputy Court Clerks, such positions clarified and confirmed by Town Board Resolution. However,
to comply with New York State Civil Service Law §41(1)(d), the Town of Queensbury must
authorize the creation of these positions by adoption of a Local Law. The Town Board wishes to
comply with New York State Civil Service Law and therefore adopt this Local Law.
§9-2. Creation of Court Clerk Position.
The Town Board wishes to establish the full-time position of Court Clerk in accordance
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with New York State Uniform Justice Court Act 109. The Town Board wishes to have one (1)
Court Clerk assigned to assist each of the two (2) Town Justices and a third Court Clerk assigned to
serve the needs of the Court. The Town Board’s intention is that the Court Clerk position(s) be
Civil Service exempt.
§9-3. Creation of Deputy Court Clerk Position.
The Town Board wishes to establish the part-time position of Deputy Court Clerk in
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accordance with New York State Uniform Justice Court Act 109. The Deputy Court Clerk will
assist the Court Clerk in the performance of his/her/their duties along with any other assigned
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duties, and in such duties, the Deputy Court Clerk will at times act for and in place of the Court
Clerk. The Town Board’s intention is that the Deputy Court Clerk position be Civil Service
exempt.
§9-4. Creation of Court Clerk to Elective Judicial Officers Position.
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In addition to the Court Clerk and Deputy Court Clerk positions set forth in 9-2 and 9-3,
the Town Board wishes to establish the full-time position of Court Clerk to Elective Judicial
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Officers Position in accordance with New York State Uniform Justice Court Act 109. There shall
be one such Clerk for each elective judicial officer. The Town Board’s intention is that such Court
Clerk position be Civil Service exempt.
Section 2. Severability.
If any part of this Local Law shall be declared invalid by a Court of competent jurisdiction,
such declaration shall not affect or impair in any way any other provision and all other provisions
shall remain in full force and effect.
Section 3. Repealer.
All Local Laws or ordinances or parts of Local Laws or ordinances in conflict with any part
of this Local Law are hereby repealed.
Section 4. Effective Date.
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon its filing in the Office of the Secretary of
State as provided in Municipal Home Rule Law §27.
PUBLIC HEARING
EMINENT DOMAIN PROCEEDING IN CONNECTION WITH
CREATION OF ROUTE 9 SEWER DISTRICT – EXXON/MOBIL
STATION PROPERTY EASEMENT ON ROUTE 9
NOTICE SHOWN
OPENED
SUPERVISOR STEC-This is in conjunction with the sewer project that is ongoing
on Route 9 and Sweet Road. We are currently working in the vicinity of both
Sweet Road and Route 9 heading north to terminate up near the intersection with
Route 9 and 149 at the north end of the Outlets. We have been successful in
obtaining most the lion share of easements that we needed to complete the work.
This is one property that we haven’t been able to obtain an easement and that’s the
Mobil Station on Route 9.
DEPUTY DIRECTOR, WASTEWATER, MIKE SHAW-Commonly known as the
Exit 20, Mobil/Exxon Station. We’ve had communication with them prior Bob
Hafner has and they have indicated they either want to be compensated or have a
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free connection so far we had secured all easements there are a couple out there to
be signed yet, but we have not paid or promised connection for any easements we
want to proceed ahead with eminent domain. The sewer line that is being put in
front of the building is going to be put in at a fifty-foot setback, which they
currently cannot build on. In the future once we have our sanitary line in there
they will still be able to maintain their shrubberies, signs, and so on and so forth.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Before, I open the public hearing, I’ll just point out and
anyone Town Counsel or Mike, board members, correct me if I’m speaking out of
turn, but generally I think its safe to say that most municipalities and certainly
Queensbury the eminent domain option is the last resort. It is one that we strive to
avoid we respect property rights. However, we also have the public good to
consider and that is the whole rationale, I believe behind the eminent domain law.
How large a project is this Mike just to put a financial number on it?
DEPUTY WASTEWATER DIRECTOR, MR. SHAW-Approximately five point
four million dollars.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Five point four million dollar project. We occasionally will
run into a situation where we need to weigh that against the benefit to an individual
property owner. The proceedings certainly also include and mandate
compensation so it’s a mandatory transaction that we are seeking. With that said, I
will open the public hearing to any members of the public that would like to
comment on this easement situation. I think Mr. Shaw was correct in specifying
the Mobil Station that I was referring to is known as the Exit 20, Mobil Station at
the southern end of the Outlets north of the Municipal Center. If there are any
comments from the public about this easement, Mr. Salvador.
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR. SALVADOR-Not specifically about this easement, but regard to the project
and the acquisition of land to accomplish it. I note here on an inventory of Town
roads that Sweet Road is a Town road by use.
SUPERVISOR STEC-That is correct.
MR. SALVADOR-What that says is that you don’t have title to the roadbed.
SUPERVISOR STEC-I’m not going to debate Highway Law.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-That is accurate.
SUPERVISOR STEC-We have an easement.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Over private property.
MR. SALVADOR-You have a superior right of use, however, that easement does
not include the use of that land for purposes of a utility similar to a sewer system
so you would have to get easements.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-We did.
SUPERVISOR STEC-And we have.
MR. SALVADOR-The roadbed of Sweet Road?
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SUPERVISOR STEC-For the purpose of this project.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-To where we’re putting the sewer line. This is the
only easement that we are missing that we need.
SUPERVISOR STEC-We sought easement on Sweet Road….
MR. SALVADOR-The whole length of Sweet Road where you are going to put
sewer lines you have easements?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-We don’t have an easement there.
DEPUTY WASTEWATER DIRECTOR, MR. SHAW-It’s within a Town
easement area.
SUPERVISOR STEC-It’s within the easement.
DEPUTY WASTEWATER DIRECTOR, MR. SHAW-It’s within the Town road.
MR. SALVADOR-It’s within the Town road where you have an easement to have
an access road not a public utility similar to a sewer system.
SUPERVISOR STEC-I understand the point you are making and I’m confident
that we disagree, thank you. Any other members of the public that would like to
comment on the septic easement or any portion of the Route 9 sewer project,
hearing and seeing none, questions or comments from the Town Board?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Just one, correct me if I’m wrong, I spoke with Bob this
afternoon. Our easement relative to the Mobil Station is underground where we
only rights of underground we don’t own surface, correct?
DEPUTY WASTEWATER DIRECTOR, MR. SHAW-No, we aren’t going to own
we are going to install a pipeline under the ground.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING COMMENCEMENT OF EMINENT
DOMAIN PROCEEDING IN CONNECTION WITH CREATION OF ROUTE
9 SEWER DISTRICT – EXXON/MOBIL STATION PROPERTY
EASEMENT ON ROUTE 9
RESOLUTION NO.: 187, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
WHEREAS, by Town Board Resolution No.: 113,2003 the Town Board adopted its Final
Order approving creation of the Route 9 Sewer District, and
WHEREAS, the engineer working with the Town has determined the technical requirements
of the Project and has indicated that a line will need to run across the property of the Exxon Mobil
Station on Route 9 identified as Tax Map No.: 288.16-1-3, and
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WHEREAS, the Town has attempted to negotiate with the property owner for an easement
necessary for the Project but it appears that it will not be possible to get a consent easement, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board finds it necessary to exercise its rights to acquire the easement
by eminent domain in order to serve a public purpose, and
WHEREAS, the Town is required to compensate the property owner for the property
rights obtained, and
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WHEREAS, on April 5, 2004, the Town Board held a public hearing to inform the general
public about the project, review the public use to be served by the Project and the potential impacts
on the environment and the residents of the locality where the Project is to be located and the Town
Board heard all persons interested in the proposed Project,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board, in accordance with the New York State
Eminent Domain Procedure Law, hereby determines that acquisition of the real property rights
referred to in the preambles of this Resolution will serve a public purpose since there are no
feasible alternative locations for the necessary easement, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the commencement of
the necessary Eminent Domain proceeding, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs Town Counsel to file
any necessary documentation and take any and all action necessary to commence legal action
and effectuate all terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
CORRESPONDENCE
DEPUTY TOWN CLERK O’BRIEN-Landfill Monthly Report for March 2004 on
file in Town Clerk’s Office. Read the following letter into the record. (On file
Town Clerk’s Office)
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TO: William Remington Date: March 25, 2004 Re: Speed Reduction Request
Queensbury Avenue Town of Queensbury Warren County
Dear Mr. Remington:
In response to your request dated November 13, 2003, we have completed a traffic
engineering study of Queensbury Avenue in the Town of Queensbury and have
determined that a change in the regulatory speed limit is not warranted at this time.
The methodology we use in setting speed limits is nationally accepted. Included in
our analysis are the impacts of roadside development, intersections, travel land
widths, roadway characteristics, shoulders, and traffic volumes as well as the fact
that the numerical value of a speed limit must be realistic in terms of prevailing
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traffic speeds. In this instance, our radar measurements indicate the 85 percentile
speed of traffic on Queensbury Avenue is 57 MPH.
If you have any questions regarding this matter, please call William Vazal of this
office at 388-0380.
Sincerely,
William E. Logan
Regional Traffic Engineer
COUNTY SUPERVISIOR UPDATE – MIKE BARODY
SUPERVISOR STEC-It is Mr. Barody’s desire to periodically update the Town
Board regarding his participation and attendance at County Committee Meetings.
Thanked Mr. Barody for taking time out of his schedule to come and brief the
board on what is going on at the County. Mr. Stec noted that Mr. Barody and
himself are not on any of the same Committees, noting every committee that he is
on he has seen both of the new County Supervisor’s Mr. Van Ness and Mr.
Barody.
COUNTY SUPERVISOR BARODY-Reported to the board the progress of public
safety and the new jail, noting that for Sheriff Offices they are ranked sixth for
arrests. Spoke about the fiscal impact the jail will have on Warren County.
(Presented pictures to board of new jail facility) Spoke to the board regarding the
Annual Supervisors Dinner at Adirondack Community College, great interaction
with the Staff and the ACC Board, talked about recreational plans. Noted in a
Committee Meeting they made proposals for construction that is going to be
undertaken at the College. One building is called the Regional Higher Education
Center, which is currently priced at 2.4 million. This will allow for four-year
degrees and partnership with other colleges. ACC would become one of the first
Community Colleges in the State of New York that will allow four year degree
programs so students that may have some economic hardship could go to school
here locally, live home, and complete their four year degree at ACC. They are in
the middle of putting this together, encouraged that they also work with the Warren
County Economic Development Council as they develop those four-year degrees.
We need to have a workforce from our student bodies from our High Schools and
Colleges to be able to support bringing in new business. They will be renovating
Eisenhardt Hall putting 3.2 million into renovations and another half a million into
the Technology Program to make sure our local students are able to keep up with
what’s going on technology wise. They will be creating more smart rooms where
you can go in they have broadband connection in the room. You have a video that
drops down out of the ceiling and a screen to project on so they can use the Internet
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to teach, these rooms are also available to outside use. The Warren County share
of that is 1.1 million dollars because the Regional Higher Education is hoping to
raise that building to no cost to us in the two counties. Spoke to the board
regarding Social Services noting Medicaid is the biggest item that continues to
impact us greatly. There has been a forty two percent growth rate in this area if we
continue to grow at this rate we will find ourselves in the same situation as
Washington County, noted a number of things are being looked at in this area. Met
with Senator Joe Bruno, asked if the State is going to bring relief to the Counties
regarding Exit 18; the planning seems to be on schedule for Spring 2005. The
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public open house is currently scheduled for April 20. The public hearing for
Eminent Domain Law is going to be sometime in late May or June. Spoke to the
board the County is putting forth a large effort in information technology trying to
catch the Town of Queensbury on Website development noting the Town has a
very good website for its citizens. Trying to make the County’s website more user
friendly trying to bring everything up to date over the next two to three year
period. The County maybe forming a partnership with Adirondack Community
College and in Internship Program so that the interns can be working at the County
level in the IT Department throughout this process.
DISCUSSION HELD
SUPERVISOR STEC-Recognized former Councilman Pliney Tucker, Dick
Merrill, former Highway Superintendent, Paul Naylor, thanked them all for
continuing to participate.
OPEN FORUM
PLINEY TUCKER, 41 DIVISION ROAD-Spoke to the board regarding an article
in newspaper concerning AMG noting the sentencing was postponed so they could
figure out who was getting paid. Asked if anyone is looking to see if the Town is
going to get paid?
SUPERVISOR STEC-We are on it noting they are not very responsive haven’t
received returned phone calls.
MR. TUCKER-Questioned if the Town owns the houses on Luzerne Road where
the connector road is going through?
SUPERVISOR STEC-Yes.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-QEDC.
MR. TUCKER-Noted he has seen someone removing things from the unit asked if
they knew about this?
SUPERVISOR STEC-Yes, they had permission to do that. QEDC owns that, it
came up at the most recent QEDC meeting. QEDC did consider a request to
remove and salvage some of the stuff; they had permission to do this.
MR. TUCKER-There is a pile of rubbish at this location.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Will mention this to Chris Round who is a member of
QEDC to have someone clean this up.
MR. TUCKER-Asked the status of Division and Ogden Roads.
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SUPERVISOR STEC-Working on this noting they are close.
MR. TUCKER-Asked the status of the piece of property above the Water Plant?
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Hasn’t heard anything from Niagara Mohawk since
he last wrote to them.
MR. TUCKER-Noted he understands if the land wasn’t transferred six months
after the project was totally approved, which was 1994, that the Town has the right
to sue. Recommended having the Town Attorney check into this, contact Hudson
Pointe, which is a subdivision of Niagara Mohawk that they will not get anymore
building permits until the land is transferred.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Doesn’t think there are any building permits to get in
Hudson Pointe.
MR. TUCKER-Asked what was the reason for Resolution Authorizing
Engagement of C.T. Male Associates, P.C. for Evaluation, Survey and Design for
Potential Extension from Walker Lane North to Vicinity of Queensbury Town Hall
on Bay Road? Asked what was the reason for Resolution Authorizing
Commencement of Supreme Court Action in connection with Town of Queensbury
v. Tina Bapp?
SUPERVISOR STEC-Mr. Schermerhorn brought sewer all the way to Walker
Lane. The Town sized that portion because we anticipate further sewer coming up
Bay Road to approximately this location. We want to be in a position to have our
requirements in place when the next property comes in for sewer we want to have a
base line design for using all of our capacity. The resolution regarding Ms. Bapp,
the Town has had some difficulty with non-compliance of Town actions in the
past. This one actually dates back a year or two off of Everts Avenue where we
had some livestock issues. In an effort to head off problems and provide some
sleep for some angry neighbors there we decided to take a little more aggressive
stand in this instance and start on a course that will bring us to Supreme Court
instead of Town Court in order to do this we need to pass a resolution.
MR. TUCKER-Questioned the housing development for the elderly the Cedars,
thought when this was in an approval process he was going to be required to hook
into sewer?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-This is why we’re doing this resolution.
MR. TUCKER-Asked if this project is in line to tie in when they build this?
SUPERVISOR STEC-We have a long way to go. They have submitted a Map,
Plan, and Report already for something that doesn’t anticipate needs up the
corridor rather than tell them change your Map, Plan, and Report we want to give
them an answer to the questions that we’re asking we’re trying to cooperate.
PAUL H. NAYLOR, 15 DIVISION ROAD-Spoke to the board reminding the
board if they close a road tread very carefully.
MR. SALVADOR-Spoke to the board regarding June Maxam’s case. Spoke to the
board regarding a press release from the Association of Towns addressing
vacancies for failure to file Oaths and Bonds. Spoke to the board regarding the
Watershed Agreement dealing with the North Queensbury Wastewater Project,
noting there is no reason why they have to transfer wastewater from North
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Queensbury all the way to Glens Falls. The inter-basin permission may be required
not for Queensbury, but the Village of Lake George, read from two letters he
received from Mayor Blais noting one letter is addressed to Joe DeSantis, who is
about to embark on a high rise motel in Lake George. Read from letter sent to the
Chairman of the Lake George Town Planning Board regarding future projects in
the Caldwell Sewer District.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Made a request to Warren County to start the
paperwork for the inter-basin.
DAVID STRAINER-1124 RIDGE ROAD-Encouraged to see the County
Supervisor’s Update Report, noting for years he has been trying to get the county
matters out to the public at the Town Meetings. Asked if they will be seeing the
other Supervisor’s or will this just be Mike Barody’s role?
SUPERVISOR STEC-Mr. Barody asked. I thought it was a good idea to update the
public on County matters and I said, yes. Have extended and would welcome any
of the other County Supervisors from doing the same noting he anticipates a
monthly update from a County Supervisor.
MR. STRAINER-Spoke to the board regarding the approved purchase of a fire
truck for the Bay Ridge Fire Company. This is a company that came in replacing a
tanker to replace would have been two hundred and forty five thousand dollars
they left with a three hundred and sixty five thousand dollar engine.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Three hundred and fifty-six nine hundred and ten.
MR. STRAINER-Over a hundred thousand dollars we say we’re fiscally
responsible you come in looking for one thing and walk out with a hundred and
forty thousand more.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-They came in looking for one thing they left getting
what they asked for.
MR. STRAINER-When looking at the busiest Fire Department we have in the
Town, Queensbury Central they are going from four engines to three because they
can’t staff it, down the road where they have eleven hundred less calls this seems
to be something that they need noting he disagrees with this.
SUPERVISOR STEC-This is precisely why he has been pushing to have a Town
wide apparatus inventory, which has been completed, all five fire departments have
given theirs. The Town staff is working on an RFQ for having a consultant come in
and examine our needs with two entering arguments maintain the ISO rating at
minimal apparatus need, anticipates to have this completed this year.
MR. STRAINER-Asked what side of the fence the consultant is working on is he
going to be in the middle or is his going to be fire oriented like the last report?
SUPERVISOR STEC-It’s going to be on our nickel, our report, will be
independent.
MR. STRAINER-Noted he was a fireman for seventeen years noting he doesn’t
begrudge these people anything believes that they should have the finest
equipment. There comes a point in time where there is saturation and there is no
need, need to start distinguishing between a want and need.
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COUNCILMAN STROUGH-On the Town level we have a Fleet Committee that
evaluates every request noting we should have the same thing with the Emergency
Services noting other communities have this. A Community Emergency Fleet
Services Committee made up of everybody that would have an interest in this and
members of the public to look at the region not just the Town.
SUPERVISOR STEC-At the next Workshop Meeting we are already scheduled to
talk about having a Fire Advisory Committee to the Town Board.
MR. STRAINER-Spoke to the board regarding an article in the newspaper
regarding the availability of paying taxes with credit cards. Noted he doesn’t like
this idea, believes you would be fostering people to get into larger debts because
they are looking at the big picture of miles and what you can purchase with them.
You wouldn’t make any money with this because you have to pay one point eight
percent for the use of the credit card, doesn’t see where this would be a revenue
enhancement tool. Spoke to the board regarding the Tourism Meeting and the
taking of money from the stipend that they will receive with the bed tax and using
it to pay for things we have already budgeted for, cautioned the board noting they
did this to promote tourism when we promote tourism we are going to be bringing
in more people, tax dollars, would hate to see cutting out the promotion money to
pay for services. Spoke to the board regarding the Trash Plant noting they will be
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having a tour of the plant on May 2
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SUPERVISOR STEC-There will be an Expo at the Civic Center on May 2,
noting the Town of Queensbury will have an information booth.
OPEN FORUM CLOSED 9:10 P.M.
TOWN BOARD DISCUSSIONS
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Asked to talk about the setting of agenda’s at a
future Workshop.
SUPERVISOR STEC-We can if you like.
COUNCILLMAN STROUGH-Received complaints from residents on Potter
Road, Cardinal Lane, and roads off of Potter Road over by the Glens Falls
Watershed regarding kids using snowmobile’s, four wheelers, three wheelers, dirt
bike noting they are complaining the kids have modified the mufflers to make them
louder or have taken off the mufflers. Asked for the parents to try and remedy this
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situation so all can be happier. Asked if there will be a resolution on April 19, for
Dave Margison’s proposal to have additional concerts. He wants to have eight
concerts four in the City and four in the shell at Crandall Park, noting he is looking
for half of the cost Glens Falls has committed themselves to half the cost.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Believes Councilman Brewer would like to discuss this in a
Workshop perhaps the next one.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Thinks it’s late when they have already budgeted.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-I think to support a cultural activity in the general
community is a worthwhile thing, would like to see the resolution put on for the
nineteenth. Read into the record a letter regarding Town Historian, Marilyn Van
Dyke congratulating her on her designation as a Registered Historian by the
Association of Public Historian of New York State. No one is more dedicated and
works harder than Marilyn on the Town and County’s history.
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SUPERVISOR STEC-Agreed noting it is very well deserved. Apologized that he
overlooked reading it himself.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Spoke to the board regarding the cable company
renewing their contract in a year and a half noting the price of cable has gone up
five times faster than inflation. Recommended putting together a committee to
look over the options with the intent of the committee either to improve our TV
service lower the cost, maybe explore some broadband options.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Questioned if they have any control over what is in
the contract?
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Control over what?
COUNCILMAN BREWER-The cost associated with cable or reducing the cost of
the cable to the consumers.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Those are not usually things that are controlled in
the contract noting he hasn’t looked at the contract in years if the board would like
him to look at the contract he would be glad to.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Asked Counsel to start looking into this.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Spoke to the board asked if the Town Board has the
authority to accept the Town Board Minutes?
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-They are official minutes they are the Town
Clerk’s minutes it is under her authority, it is her job.
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Will be meeting with Bob and Chris Round tomorrow
regarding the Nuisance Ordinance.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Spoke to the board regarding DEC Outdoor Furnace will be
meeting to discuss a Nuisance Law. The questions are what do we do for the
future this will be addressed in another law that we’re looking at that the board will
need to consider in the near future noting we are still on a moratorium. What to do
with the ones that currently exist to grandfather or not to grandfather. Then we
have a question of the Nuisance Law that is geared towards existing ones or ones
that will be allowed for code in the future. Even though they meet all the rules it
give us some options if they run into difficulty in operation where they start
becoming a source of complaints noting the Town staff has done a good job with
calls regarding this. DEC has been out to the Glen Lake site several times that was
drawing most of the public criticism. DEC has instructed if the Town or residents
want to make a case for a Nuisance Violation of Section 215 of the State Law that
talks about air quality in order to build a case for nuisance they have to have a file
with complaints in it, have been encouraging residents to document and paper the
record. If residents have any problems with any air quality issues you can call
DEC at 623-1200. Spoke to the board regarding a problem on Queensbury
Avenue, County Line Road with an emergency diesel generator for one of the
pump stations for the sewer system. The location of the generator is located on the
airport property right near the entrance of the airport. A resident discovered
evidence of sheen on some oil downstream of the stream that runs nearby. DEC
came out did some back tracking to try to locate the source of the spill. To the best
of my knowledge they feel certain that they identified the source of the leak it was
in the diesel generator. You couldn’t see any evidence of diesel on the ground, but
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we’re confident that was it. DEC the County and Town were very responsive to
this. They put up a barrier to protect it they did excavate the hole and it is getting
monitored, believes that they were complemented by DEC on their responsiveness.
Spoke to the board regarding North Queensbury Sewer. Wrote a letter provided a
copy of the letter to the reporter that was present and had lengthily discussion as to
what was between the lines and the rationale behind what was in the letter. Made
very clear the board’s sentiment that we’re not convinced that there is a
tremendous septic failure issue in North Queensbury. We’re not sure that our
residents and constituents feel that there is an issue that needs to be resolved up
there. That we’re concerned it will cost several thousand of dollars for each
resident to connect in. That even if all of these weren’t true and we were
convinced and had an issue that needed to be addressed that the board did not like
the County’s preferred option, which predates all five of us to collect and treat in a
plant to be built behind the North Queensbury Fire Company building. To pipe the
effluent down to Halfway Brook, which would of contained the effluent within the
basin. The Town Board said if we had to do something we would prefer to go to
Glens Falls and in order to do this instead of the County saying it will be really
hard to get permission we told them go get permission. Noted he spoke at a
luncheon at the Queensbury Senior Citizens someone brought up the question of
North Queensbury Sewer noting he addressed it and asked people in the audience
how many that live in North Queensbury want sewer noting no one raised their
hand. Asked how many in North Queensbury that don’t want sewer, eight to ten
people raised their hand. If people would like to comment they can call him at the
Town Hall. Spoke to the board regarding the City of Glens Falls and South
Western Avenue noting he hasn’t received any communication from the City of
Glens Falls. Spoke with Mayor Regan at another meeting noting he asked him and
told him the board discussed this is Workshop. Asked him to send us something
hasn’t received anything yet noted he had also talked with two business owners
that were concerned. We were able to confirm that portion of Western Avenue the
Town does not own any portion of it. Asked Counsel to comment on the
appropriateness of the Town using Town funds for assisting the City in this project
understanding that it isn’t Town owned, but does impact some Town businesses.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-A Town has many rules on how it can spend its
money. There are many cases, laws, which prohibit the Town from spending its
funds for non-Town purposes. Paying to improve a road in another municipality is
not an appropriate use of the Town funds that you are in charge of administering.
You can spend money for your own roads and that’s something that you are
required to do. Spoke to the board regarding the property between Hudson Pointe
and the Faith Bible Church approximately thirteen acres that the Town would be
interested in purchasing at fair market value from the City of Glens Falls for
purpose of recreation noting he hasn’t received any correspondence back from
anyone at the City regarding the request to purchase the property. Has had
conversations with Adirondack Community College noted Recreation
Commissioner Dog Irish and himself met with the Board of Trustees a little over a
week ago looking to put the Community Center as part of the ACC Campus
believing that it’s a Community Center and there is value in locating it in the center
of the Community. We think it would be an enhancement to the college campus,
bare in mind that the Town would be taking on all the capital costs. Although not
required the Town has decided to take the decision to build or not to build to the
voters hopefully this fall. It is our hope that at the next ACC meeting at the end of
April they will have an answer for us. Spoke to the board regarding West
Mountain and Corinth Road widening of the shoulders for the purpose of adding a
bicycle path. These are two County Roads the only two County Roads west of the
Northway, west of the Northway is where fifteen thousand people in Queensbury
live. DPW Committee has been very cooperative walked the roads with officials
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they seem receptive to this encouraged by the condition of the roads. They will
budget widening Corinth Road for next year to add a bike lane. They will start a
portion of West Mountain Road between Peggy Ann and Aviation Road this year
noting it will take several years before all of West Mountain Road is widened.
They backed down on their request that Queensbury should kick in money for the
County Roads. Thinks they are being consistent in treatment of non Queensbury
Municipalities as far as how much money Queensbury should be spending on
roads that aren’t Queensbury roads.
RESOLUTIONS
RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED
ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS BY EMINENT DOMAIN AND
AUTHORIZING APPRAISALS OF CERTAIN PROPERTIES WITHIN
AREA SCHEDULED FOR WATER TRANSMISSION SYSTEM
IMPROVEMENTS
RESOLUTION NO.: 188, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHEREAS, by Town Board Resolution No.: 353,2003 the Town Board authorized and
approved improvements to the Queensbury Consolidated Water District, such improvements being
the installation of water mains along Round Pond Road, Blind Rock Road, Country Club Road,
Haviland Road, Ridge Road, Hicks Road and a connection between Big Boom Road and Big Bay
Road underneath Interstate 87 (Northway) in the Town of Queensbury, and
WHEREAS, the engineer working with the Town has determined the technical requirements
of the Project and has indicated that a line will need to run across certain properties as follows:
OWNER NAME TAX MAP NO. PROPERTY ADDRESS EASEMENT NO.
Robert Mulcahy 297.9-1-8 557 Ridge Road P-14
Howard Crannell 290.18-1-23 388 Haviland Road P-24
No tax map listed Located on both sides of
Niagara Mohawk Power Corp. P-42
and County GIS Round Pond Road. On south
shows no tax side it is bounded by two
number either. parcels (296.6-1-13 and
296.5-1-1 belonging to
Salvadore Russo listed as
144 Round Pond Road) and
on north side it is bounded
on both sides by Guido
Passarelli's parcel (296.5-1-
7 lot number(s) unknown).
and
WHEREAS, the Town has attempted to negotiate with the property owners for easements
necessary for the Project but it appears that it will not be possible to get consent easements, and
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WHEREAS, the Town Board finds it necessary to exercise its rights to acquire the
easements by eminent domain in order to serve a public purpose, and
WHEREAS, the Town is required to compensate the property owners for the property
rights obtained, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board wishes to obtain appraisals of the value of the easements
across the properties, and
WHEREAS, the Town has in the past relied upon the appraisal services of Empire State
Appraisal Consultants, Inc., and has found their work to be thorough and accurate, and
WHEREAS, Eminent Domain Procedure Law §201 requires the Town Board to hold a
public hearing prior to commencing a proceeding to acquire property rights by eminent domain,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
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RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board shall hold a public hearing on April 19,
2004 at 7:00 p.m. at the Queensbury Activities Center, 742 Bay Road, Queensbury, to inform the
general public about the Project, review the public use to be served by the Project and the potential
impacts on the environment and the residents of the locality where the Project is to be located and to
hear all persons interested in the proposed Project, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to
publish a Notice of Public Hearing in at least five (5) successive issues of the Glens Falls Post-
Star commencing at least ten (10) but no more than thirty (30) days before the date of the public
hearing, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes the Town Supervisor
to engage the services of Empire State Appraisal Consultants, Inc., to provide an appraisal value
of the easements over the properties listed in the preambles of this Resolution for a total cost not
$5,400
to exceed $13,000 to be paid from the appropriate account as determined by the Town’s
Budget Officer, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor to
sign any documentation, including a contract for appraisal services, and the Town Supervisor and/or
Town Counsel to take all action necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution, and
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BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that this Resolution shall take effect immediately.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING WASTEWATER DIRECTOR OR
DEPUTY DIRECTOR TO APPROVE AND SIGN CERTAIN CHANGE
ORDERS IN CONNECTION WITH CONSTRUCTION OF ROUTE 9
SEWER DISTRICT
RESOLUTION NO.: 189, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, C.T. Male prepared bid documents and specifications to advertise for bids for
Contracts related to the Route 9 Sewer Project and by Resolution No.: 379,2003, the Town Board
awarded the bid for Contract 1 to Trinity Construction, and
WHEREAS, by Resolution No.: 406,2003 the Town Board awarded the bids for
Contract No. 2G - General Construction - to Delaney Construction Corp.; Contract 2P - Pump
Station Plumbing - to RF Gordon Mechanical, Inc.; and Contract 2E - Pump Station Electrical -
to Harold R. Clune, Inc., and
WHEREAS, by Resolution No.: 539,2003, the Town Board awarded the bid for Contract 3
to Highlander Construction, and
WHEREAS, the Town’s Director and Deputy Director of Wastewater have advised the
Town Board that there are times when Change Orders may become necessary for such Contracts
and have requested that the Town Board authorize them to approve and sign certain Change
Orders in the amount of $20,000 per Change Order that they deem necessary or appropriate,
provided that the aggregate amount of such Change Order(s) do not exceed five-percent (5%) of
the original Contract award, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board wishes to provide authorization for such Change Orders,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
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RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes the Town’s
Wastewater Director or Deputy Director to approve and sign Change Orders pertaining to the
Contracts for construction of the Route 9 Sewer Project in the amount of $20,000 per Change
Order, that they deem necessary or appropriate, provided that the aggregate amount of such
Change Order(s) do not exceed five-percent (5%) of the original contract award, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that, upon completion of such work authorized by the Change Order(s), the
Town Board further authorizes payment for these services with such amounts to be paid from the
appropriate Route 9 Sewer Capital Project Fund, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor,
Wastewater Director, Wastewater Deputy Director and/or Town Budget Officer to take any and
all action necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION PHASE
ENGINEERING SERVICES PROVIDED BY JARRETT-MARTIN
ENGINEERS, PLLC IN CONNECTION WITH SOUTH QUEENSBURY-
QUEENSBURY AVENUE SEWER DISTRICT
RESOLUTION NO.: 190, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHEREAS, by Resolution No.: 341,2002, the Queensbury Town Board authorized
engagement of Jarrett-Martin Engineers, PLLC (JME) for construction phase services in connection
with the creation of the South Queensbury – Queensbury Avenue Sewer District (Project) for an
amount not to exceed $89,400, and
WHEREAS, by Resolution No.: 274,2003, the Queensbury Town Board authorized
payment to JME for $20,000 in additional construction phase services pertaining to the Project, and
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WHEREAS, the Project was to be substantially completed first by June 23, 2003 and then
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by July 23, 2003, but the Project is still not complete as of this date, and
WHEREAS, JME has advised the Town Board that due to additional Project delays, the
Project is not yet complete and therefore JME has already incurred and will incur further
engineering expenses until the Project is complete, in an amount up to $30,000, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board wishes to authorize an increase in an amount not to exceed
$30,000 for additional construction phase engineering services to be paid to JME,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes the additional
construction phase services performed by Jarrett-Martin Engineers, PLLC in connection with the
South Queensbury – Queensbury Avenue Sewer District as described in the preambles of this
Resolution in an amount not to exceed $30,000, bringing the total construction phase engineering
services amount for the Project to $139,400, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board authorizes and directs that payment for the additional
construction phase services shall be paid for from the contractor’s liquidated damages, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor,
Wastewater Director, Deputy Wastewater Director and/or Budget Officer to sign any
documentation and take such action as may be necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ENGAGEMENT OF C.T. MALE
ASSOCIATES, P.C. FOR EVALUATION, SURVEY AND DESIGN PLANS
FOR POTENTIAL SEWER EXTENSION FROM WALKER LANE NORTH
TO VICINITY OF QUEENSBURY TOWN HALL ON BAY ROAD
RESOLUTION NO.: 191, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
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WHEREAS, the Town’s Deputy Wastewater Director has requested engineering services
concerning a potential sewer extension from Walker Lane north to the vicinity of the Queensbury
Town Hall on Bay Road, and
WHEREAS, the Deputy Wastewater Director has recommended that the Town Board
authorize engagement of C.T. Male Associates, P.C., to complete an evaluation, survey and design
plans for such potential sewer extension for an amount of $17,000 plus an additional soil boring
allowance of $1,500 for a total fee not to exceed $18,500, as delineated in C.T. Male’s Proposal
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dated March 25, 2004 and presented at this meeting,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs engagement
of C.T. Male Associates, P.C. for evaluation, survey and design plans concerning a potential sewer
extension from Walker Lane north to the vicinity of the Queensbury Town Hall on Bay Road for an
amount of $17,000 plus an additional soil boring allowance of $1,500 for a total fee not to exceed
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$18,500, as delineated in C.T. Male’s Proposal dated March 25, 2004 and presented at this
meeting, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs that payment for C.T.
Male’s services shall be paid for from Engineering – Consultant Services Account No.: 001-1440-
4720, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Wastewater
Director, Wastewater Deputy Director, Budget Officer and/or Town Supervisor to execute any
documentation and take such other and further action as may be necessary to effectuate the terms of
this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR
INDUSTRIAL 4X4 LOADER/BACKHOE FOR
TOWN WATER DEPARTMENT
RESOLUTION NO.: 192, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
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WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury Water Superintendent wishes to advertise for bids for
the purchase of an industrial 4x4 Loader/Backhoe with extendable dipperstick as specified in the
Water Department’s Bid Specifications presented at this meeting, and
WHEREAS, the purchase of a Loader/Backhoe has been included in the Water
Department’s 2004 Budget, and
WHEREAS, General Municipal Law §103 requires that the Town advertise for bids and
award the bids to the lowest responsible bidder(s) meeting New York State statutory requirements
and the requirements set forth in the Town’s bidding documents,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Town’s
Purchasing Agent to publish an advertisement for bids for an industrial 4x4 Loader/Backhoe with
extendable dipperstick as specified in the Water Department’s Bid Specifications in the official
newspaper for the Town of Queensbury, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Purchasing Agent to
open all bids received, read the same aloud and record the bids as is customarily done and present
the bids to the next regular or special meeting of the Town Board.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT FOR BIDS FOR
PURCHASE OF UTILITY BODY WITH ACCESSORIES FOR 2004
F-550 MECHANIC’S TRUCK FOR TOWN HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT
RESOLUTION NO.: 193, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
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WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury Highway Superintendent wishes to advertise for bids
for the purchase of a Utility Body with all necessary accessories for a 2004, F-550 mechanic’s truck
as specified in bid specifications to be prepared by the Highway Superintendent and/or Purchasing
Agent, and
WHEREAS, the Town’s Fleet Committee has reviewed and approved this vehicle purchase
request and such proposed purchase has been budgeted for in the 2004 budget, and
WHEREAS, General Municipal Law §103 requires that the Town advertise for bids and
award the bids to the lowest responsible bidder(s) meeting New York State statutory requirements
and the requirements set forth in the Town’s bidding documents,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Town’s
Purchasing Agent to publish an advertisement for bids for a Utility Body with all necessary
accessories for a 2004, F-550 mechanic’s truck for the Town Highway Department in the official
newspaper for the Town of Queensbury, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Purchasing Agent to
open all bids received, read the same aloud and record the bids as is customarily done and present
the bids to the next regular or special meeting of the Town Board.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
DISCUSSION HELD BEFORE VOTE:
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Has this been approved by the Committee?
COUNCILMAN BOOR-Can we assume that all will be through the Committee?
WATER SUPERINTENDENT, MR. VAN DUSEN-Assumes if it’s in the resolution.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Asked to change the boilerplate that we have been using for these.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Thought we had decided that we wanted to do that.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Recommended adding another clause.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Whereas, the Fleet Management Committee has reviewed and recommends
approval. Asked Town Counsel to read change into record.
TOWN COUNSEL, HAFNER-Whereas, this particular vehicle was submitted to the Fleet
Management Committee for its review and approval and, whereas the Fleet Management
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Committee reviewed and recommended approval of this particular vehicle. Changed was agreed to
by Councilman Strough and Councilman Boor.
SUPERVISOR STEC-Asked Counsel to make sure this is changed?
TOWN COUNSEL HAFNER-Yes.
RESOLUTION APPROVING GRANT AWARD FOR CASE FILE #4902 IN
CONNECTION WITH WARD 4 REHABILITATION PROGRAM
RESOLUTION NO.: 194, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Daniel Stec
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury has established a Housing Rehabilitation Program
which provides grants to cover 100% of the cost of rehabilitation up to a maximum of $20,000,
and
WHEREAS, a single family property, Case File No.: 4902, has been determined to
be eligible for rehabilitation grant assistance and the owner of the property has
requested such assistance, and
WHEREAS, property rehabilitation specifications have been provided to three (3)
qualified contractors for bid, and
WHEREAS, the low bid cost to complete the work specified is fifteen thousand six
hundred twenty five dollars ($15,625), and
,
WHEREAS Shelter Planning & Development, Inc. has overseen the grant process and
has verified that it has been followed in this case and recommends approving this grant,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby approves a grant for Case
File No.: 4902 in the Town of Queensbury, New York in the amount not to exceed
fifteen thousand six hundred twenty five dollars ($15,625) and authorizes and directs
either the Town Supervisor or Town Senior Planner to execute a Grant Award
Agreement and take such other and further action as may be necessary to effectuate
the terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor
NOES : None
ABSENT : None
RESOLUTION APPROVING GRANT AWARD FOR CASE FILE #4903 IN
CONNECTION WITH WARD 4 REHABILITATION PROGRAM
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RESOLUTION NO.: 195, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury has established a Housing Rehabilitation Program
which provides grants to cover 100% of the cost of rehabilitation up to a maximum of $20,000,
and
WHEREAS, a single family property, Case File No.: 4903, has been determined to
be eligible for rehabilitation grant assistance and the owner of the property has
requested such assistance, and
WHEREAS, property rehabilitation specifications have been provided to three (3)
qualified contractors for bid, and
WHEREAS, the low bid cost to complete the work specified is nineteen thousand
five hundred ten dollars ($19,510), and
,
WHEREAS Shelter Planning & Development, Inc. has overseen the grant process and
has verified that it has been followed in this case and recommends approving this grant,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby approves a grant for Case
File No.: 4903 in the Town of Queensbury, New York in the amount not to exceed
nineteen thousand five hundred ten dollars ($19,510) and authorizes and directs
either the Town Supervisor or Town Senior Planner to execute a Grant Award
Agreement and take such other and further action as may be necessary to effectuate
the terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner
NOES : None
ABSENT : None
RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR ELIMINATION OF SUNSET
PROVISIONS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT RECORDS MANAGEMENT
IMPROVEMENT FUND (LGRMIF) AND
CULTURAL EDUCATION FUND (CEF)
RESOLUTION NO: 196, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Daniel Stec
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
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WHEREAS, the Local Government Records Management Improvement Fund (LGRMIF)
was created in 1989 to provide technical assistance and grants to establish, improve or enhance
records management programs in New York’s more than 4300 local governments, and
WHEREAS, the closely related Documentary Heritage Program (DHP) for grants and
technical assistance to non-governmental historical records repositories also is supported by the
LGRMIF, and
WHEREAS, a sunset date for the LGRMIF was established in the original legislation to
permit its operation as a five-year experiment, and
WHEREAS, the New York State Legislature twice has extended the sunset date, most
recently to December 31, 2005, and
WHEREAS, the LGRMIF has effectively supported essential advisory services and 6,300
grants totaling over $113 million to improve the management of records for over half of all NYS
local governments, and
WHEREAS, the LGRMIF and the programs it supports continue to operate at a high
standard of excellence and provide direct and significant benefit to local governments at no cost to
the taxpayers, and
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury has benefited from technical assistance, training,
publications and grants supported by the LGRMIF, and
WHEREAS, the State Legislature created the closely-related Cultural Education Fund
(CEF) to support the New York State Archives, New York State Library and New York State
Museum on behalf of all New Yorkers and the Office for Public Broadcasting and provided the
CEF with an identical sunset date, and
WHEREAS, the LGRMIF and the CEF continue to be critically important in the fulfillment
of the many records and information related responsibilities of the Town of Queensbury and to the
cultural and scientific needs of the people of New York State,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby supports the elimination of such
sunset provisions in order to make the Local Government Records Management Improvement Fund
(LGRMIF) and the Cultural Education Fund (CEF) permanent, and
BE IT FURTHER,
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RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to forward
a certified copy of this Resolution to the Warren County Clerk and take such other and further
action as may be necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ENGAGEMENT OF CUSACK &
COMPANY, CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTANTS TO AUDIT
STATEMENTS OF CASH RECEIPTS AND DISBURSEMENTS FOR
FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2003
RESOLUTION NO.: 197, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Daniel Stec
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, by Resolution No.: 476,2003, the Queensbury Town Board authorized
engagement of the services of Cusack & Company, CPA’s (Cusack) to audit the Town of
Queensbury’s financial statements for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2003 and provide
accounting advice to the Town throughout 2004, and
WHEREAS, the Town’s Budget Officer has been pleased with the services of Cusack, and
WHEREAS, Cusack has offered to audit the Town’s statements of cash receipts and
disbursements for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2003 for the Town of Queensbury Town
Clerk, Receiver of Taxes, Town Justices, Transfer Station and the Parks and Recreation Department
at a cost not to exceed $1,800 per audit as more specifically set forth in Cusack’s letter dated March
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9, 2004,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes engagement Cusack &
Company, CPA’s to provide cash receipts and disbursement auditing services to the Town of
Queensbury for the year ending December 31, 2003 for the Town of Queensbury Town Clerk,
Receiver of Taxes, Town Justices, Transfer Station and the Parks and Recreation Department at a
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cost not to exceed $1,800 per audit as more specifically set forth in its letter dated March 9, 2004
to be paid for from the appropriate account, and
BE IT FURTHER,
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RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor
and/or Town Budget Officer to sign any documentation and take any and all action necessary to
effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION TO AMEND 2004 BUDGET
RESOLUTION NO.: 198, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHEREAS, the attached Budget Amendment Requests have been duly initiated and
justified and are deemed compliant with Town operating procedures and accounting practices by the
Town Budget Officer,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Town
Budget Officer’s Office to take all action necessary to transfer funds and amend the 2004 Town
Budget as follows:
ROUTE 9 SEWER
FROM: TO: $ AMOUNT:
136-1990-4417 136-8150-2899 148,043.
(Contingency) (Capital Construction)
136-1990-4417 136-8150-4403 80,835.
(Contingency) (Engineer/Surveyor)
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION APPROVING AUDIT OF BILLS –ABSTRACT OF MARCH
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26, 2004
RESOLUTION NO.: 199, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
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SECONDED BY: Mr. Daniel Stec
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board wishes to approve the audit of bills presented as
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the Abstract appearing on March 26, 2004,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby approves the Abstract appearing on
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March 26, 2004 numbering 24-128900 through 24-148300 and totaling $516,532.75, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Budget Officer and/or
Town Supervisor to take such other and further action as may be necessary to effectuate the terms of
this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONING OF
PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF WEST MOUNTAIN ROAD
AND GURNEY LANE FROM SFR-1A (SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL –
ONE ACRE) TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICE (PO)
RESOLUTION NO.: 200, 2004
INTRODUCED BY : Mr. Theodore Turner
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY : Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board is considering a request to amend the Town
Zoning Ordinance and Map to rezone properties bearing Tax Map No.’s: 288.-1-63 and 288.1-
64 located at the corner of West Mountain Road and Gurney Lane in the Town of Queensbury
from SFR-1A (Single Family Residential - One Acre) to Professional Office (PO), and
WHEREAS, the Town Board previously received a request to rezone the subject
properties from SFR-1A to SR-1A, and the Town Board did not take any action, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board communicated its preference for designating the property
Professional Office (PO) consistent with the 1998 Comprehensive Land Use Plan adopted by the
Town Board,
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WHEREAS, before the Town Board may amend, supplement, change, or modify its
Ordinance and Map, it must hold a public hearing in accordance with the provisions of Town
Law §265, the Municipal Home Rule Law and the Town of Queensbury Zoning Laws,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board shall hold a public hearing on Monday,
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April 19, 2004 at 7:00 p.m. at the Queensbury Activities Center, 742 Bay Road, Queensbury to
hear all interested parties concerning the proposed amendment to its Zoning Ordinance and Map
regarding property bearing Tax Map No.’s: 288.-1-63 and 288.1-64 located at the corner of West
Mountain Road and Gurney Lane in the Town of Queensbury from SFR-1A (Single Family
Residential - One Acre) to Professional Office (PO), and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Town Clerk’s Office
to provide 10 days notice of the public hearing by publishing the attached Notice of Public
Hearing in the Town’s official newspaper and posting the Notice on the Town’s bulletin board,
and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Community
Development Department to provide the Town Clerk’s Office with a list of all property owners
located within 500' of the area to be rezoned so that the Town Clerk’ s Office may send the
Notice of Public Hearing to those property owners, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Clerk’s Office
to send the Notice of Public Hearing to the Clerk of the Warren County Board of Supervisors,
Warren County Planning Board and other communities or agencies that it is necessary to give
written notice to in accordance with New York State Town Law §265, the Town’s Zoning
Regulations and the Laws of the State of New York, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby refers such rezoning request to the Warren
County Planning Board for its advisory recommendation in accordance with General Municipal
Law §239-m and directs the Community Development Department to take all actions necessary
to effect such referral, and
BE IT FURTHER,
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RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby indicates its wish to be Lead Agency for SEQRA
review of this project and directs the Department of Community Development to notify any other
involved agencies, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board intends to conduct SEQRA review of the proposed
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rezoning after the public hearing at its April 19, 2004 meeting.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Strough, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner
NOES: Mr. Brewer
ABSENT:None
RESOLUTION APPOINTING JOAN JENKINS AND BRIAN CLEMENTS
TO BOARD OF ASSESSMENT REVIEW
RESOLUTION NO. 201, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury previously established the Town of Queensbury
Board of Assessment Review in accordance with applicable New York State law, and
WHEREAS, Dr. Charles Hauser and Charles Yasko recently resigned from the Town’s
Board of Assessment Review and so the Town Board would like to appoint two members to
complete Dr. Hauser and Mr. Yasko’s unexpired terms of office,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby appoints Joan Jenkins and Brian
Clements to serve as members of the Town of Queensbury Board of Assessment Review with Ms.
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Jenkins to complete the term of Dr. Charles Hauser, such term to expire September 30, 2005 and
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Mr. Clements to complete the term of Charles Yasko, such term to expire September 30, 2006.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
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RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING UNPAID LEAVE OF ABSENCE
FOR SHARRON MEADE
RESOLUTION NO.: 202, 2003
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. John Strough
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Theodore Turner
WHEREAS, Sharron Meade, Data Collector/Appraiser in the Queensbury Assessor’s
Office, was placed on Family Medical Leave under the Federal Family Medical Leave Act
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(FMLA) from December 22, 2003 through March 19, 2004, a period of 12 weeks, and
WHEREAS, Ms. Meade has exhausted all paid leave available to her as well as her 12
weeks of Family Medical Leave, and
WHEREAS, Ms. Meade has requested Town Board approval to take an additional
unpaid medical leave of absence as set forth in Warren County Civil Service Rule XIX, and
WHEREAS, Ms. Meade has submitted medical documentation supporting a need for
additional medical leave, and
WHEREAS, the Town Assessor has recommended that the Town Board grant unpaid
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medical leave with an effective date of March 20, 2004 extending through the earlier of:
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1. April 20, 2004; or
2. Certification of her physical qualification for return to work, documented by her
physician in form satisfactory to the Town;
and
WHEREAS, in accordance with Warren County Civil Service Rule XIX, Town Board
approval is discretionary and necessary before an employee may take such leave, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board has carefully considered the circumstances of Ms. Meade’s
request and the Town Assessor’s recommendations,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and grants an unpaid
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medical leave of absence with an effective date of March 20, 2004 extending through the earlier
of:
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1. April 20, 2004; or
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2. Certification of her physical qualification for return to work, documented by her
physician in form acceptable to the Town;
and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that Ms. Meade shall provide the Town with a status report from her
physician regarding her ability to return to work and must notify the Town Board in writing by
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April 13, 2004 of her intention to return to work or request further unpaid medical leave and
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supply supporting documentation if she desires additional unpaid leave beyond April 20, 2004,
and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor,
Town Assessor and/or Budget Officer to take any action necessary to effectuate the terms of this
Resolution, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that this Resolution will not have any impact or create any inference as to
any determination of entitlement to Disability or Workers’ Compensation Benefits.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor, Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer
NOES : None
ABSENT : None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING COMMENCEMENT OF SUPREME
COURT ACTION IN CONNECTION WITH
TOWN OF QUEENSBURY V. TINA BAPP
RESOLUTION NO.: 203, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Daniel Stec
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. Roger Boor
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury previously commenced an action against Tina Bapp
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for violation of Queensbury Town Code 179-5-030(A) by keeping livestock, poultry, fowl and
farm animals (farm animals) at her home on Everts Avenue in the Town of Queensbury, and
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WHEREAS, the Town’s efforts to rid Ms. Bapp’s property of such farm animals have been
ineffective as Ms. Bapp continues to thwart the Town’s Zoning Ordinance, and
WHEREAS, neighbors have complained to the Town of Queensbury that roosters on Ms.
Bapp’s property continue to wake them at an unreasonable hour, and
WHEREAS, Queensbury Town Court lacks injunctive power to get rid of the farm animals,
and
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board wishes to pursue preliminary and injunctive
relief,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the
commencement of a Warren County Supreme Court action to pursue preliminary and injunctive
relief in the matter of the Town of Queensbury vs. Tina Bapp as referenced in the preambles of
this Resolution, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs Town Counsel to file
any necessary documentation and take any and all action necessary to commence such
proceeding and effectuate all terms of this Resolution.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Turner, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Stec, Mr. Boor
NOES : None
ABSTAIN:Mr. Strough
ABSENT : None
DISCUSSION HELD BEFORE VOTE:
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Noted this resolution wasn’t originally in the resolution packet, thinks
the only reasonable thing to do is to abstain.
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING
RESOLUTION NO. 204, 2004
INTRODUCED BY: Mr. Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr. John Strough
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RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns its
Regular Town Board Meeting.
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Duly adopted this 5 day of April, 2004, by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Turner, Mr. Strough, Mr. Brewer, Mr. Boor, Mr. Stec
Noes: None
Absent:None
No further action taken.
Respectfully Submitted,
Darleen M. Dougher
Town Clerk
Town of Queensbury