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1990-02-20 SP ',-- -- QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 20th, 1990 INDEX Subdivision No. 1-1990 Qu~~nsbury Economic D~velopment Corp. 1 THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES (IF ANY) AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES. / ~ -- QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 20TH, 1990 9:50 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT RICHARD ROBERTS, CHAIRMAN CAROL PULVER, SECRETARY JAMES HAGAN PETER CARTIER MEMBERS ABSENT JOSEPH DYBAS NICHOLAS CAIMANO DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY-KARLA CORPUS TOWN ENGINEER-WAYNE GANNETT LEE A. YORK-SENIOR PLANNER SUBDIVISION NO. 1-1990 LI-lA QUEENS BURY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORP. DIX AVENUE TAX MAP NO. 110-1-24.21 JAMES LAP ANN , AGENT ;NICK SCARTELLI, MORSE ENGINEERING ; FRED CHAMPAGNE, PRESIDENT OF QEDC;BARRY JONES, REPRESENTING ASTRO/VALCOUR ALL PRESENT MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d bt m~ op~n with asking th~ Staff if you hav~ any comm~nts. Youlr~ all in r~c~ipt of th~s~ comm~nts. LM~, sinc~ th~y'v~ b~~n in r~c~ipt of th~s~ comm~nts, do you want to go through th~m all? MRS. YORK-Ask~d would you lik~ m~ to r~ad th~ City of Gl~ns Falls comm~nts? MR. HAGAN-Stat~d I think it would b~ a good id~a. MRS. YORK-Stat~d ok, I' 11 waiv~ th~ Staff comm~nts b~caus~ th~y ar~ so l~ngthy, but I f~~l that I should r~ad th~ City of Gl~ns Falls comm~nts and on th~ n~w comm~nts from th~ Mr. Naylor' s offic~ and th~ comm~nts r~garding th~ involv~d and int~r~st~d parti~s that I contact~d today and th~n you can d~cid~ if you would lik~ me to r~ad Mr. Eddy' s comm~nts and the Water D~partm~nt and Waste Wat~r D~partm~nt comm~nts. Th~ comm~nts from th~ City of Gl~ns Falls ar~ as follows D~ar Nick: Your l~tt~r of F~b. 8, 1990 r~lat~s that I had approved your plans for r~t~ntion and controll~d flow of rainwater at th~ Queensbury T~chnical Park - Dix Av~. I had indicated, from th~ information you presented, that your propos~d plan was interesting. In fact, it is the responsibility, I beli~ve, of th~ Town of Queensbury Board to approv~ your plans. Revi~wing th~ plans and the soil t~sts, it is difficult to assume that th~ following will not occur: 1. - Poor percolation of th~ water retained by the berms. 2. - Unusabl~, flooded land resulting from water held by th~ berms. 3. - That the berms will not be opened for driv~ways, etc. 4. - That solid and vegetation accumulation will eventually fill to th~ top of the berms. 5. - That water will cross to City land from the west side of Lot #9. Thank you for the opportunity to review the plans and drainage report for the Queensbury Industrial Park. Our major conc~rn is to prevent flooding at the Und~rpass on Warr~n St. In th~ past wat~r from the area of the pres~nt Qu~~nsbury Industrial Park was not prop~rly channeled and reach~d th~ Und~rpass. I realize that your commission from the Town of Qu~~nsbury does not cover this scope of work. Please find ~nclos~d memo from Joe Sullivan, City of Glens Falls, to L~~ A. York, Senior Planner Town of Queensbury and this is from Manning Cohen, Superintendent of Municipal Operations. The lett~r he's referring to was previously read to the Board and is part of th~ minut~s of a pr~vious m~~ting. Would you like m~ to r~ad the Water D~partm~nt comments? No? Ok. I would lik~ to r~ad Mr. Naylor's comments becaus~ we r~ceiv~d th~m today (on file). Today I contacted th~ involved and int~r~st~d parti~s for th~ subdivision (on file). MR. CARTIER-Asked, is Warr~n County DPW und~r any kind of tim~ line also? MRS. YORK-Stated Roger(Gebo) told me he would try and get to it as soon as possibl~. He didn't say he would tak~ until March 9th or anything. MR. CARTIER-Stat~d what I'm asking is, do~s h~ hav~ that March 9th deadline also? 1 --- MRS. YORK-Statad yas, avarybody has that sama daadlina. to avaryona at tha sama tima. Tha information was sant MR. ROBERTS-Statad it would appaar, than, wa' ra in troubb with SEQRA, having had it daclarad a Class I projact raquiring us to notify all involvad agancias and giva tham 30 days to raspond and that's, I guass, whara wa cama up with tha March 9th daadlina. I guass wa' ra going to losa soma tima bacausa of SEQRA to start with. Mayba that would giva us soma tima to answar soma othar quastions. MR. LAPANN-Statad thank you. Good avaning. My nama is Jamas Lapann. I'm an attornay in Glans Falls and I raprasant tha Quaansbury Economic Davalopmant Corporation hara this avaning. Thara ara, cartainly, many commants hara by tha Staff and by various agancias and what wa' d lika to do is to go through thasa on a point by point basis and giva you an axplanation and soma suggastions for how wa would proposa to, I'll giva you furthar information on thosa itams that ara, parhaps skatchy and how wa ba ab1a to rasolva all of thasa mat tars to your full satisfaction and quita a faw I think wa could taka cara of. I I d lika to start going through thosa, if I could, starting with Mrs. York's commants on Fabruary 15th, 1990 which is tha thraa paga notas. Starting with tha last two paragraphs on that paga, in ganaral, I baliava that thosa daal with what I s going to happan with this pond araa. I would lika to just addrass that by looking ovar hara on this( rafarring to map). This is tha pond that wa' ra all talking, right hara. It's on this drainaga aasamant that runs down through up abova from across Dix Avanua, that we talkad about at Sketch Plan, down through, into this pond hera, and through here. As I beliave you are aware, that in tha evantually project, as Astro/Valcour intends to develop it, that, indaad, this will not ba tha way this will and up, but there are only cartain ways that wa knaw to approach this projact and whara would tha movamant of that pond ba. Whare would that all changa and shift and this drainage aasamant taka placa? Tha way that wa'va submitted tha projact is that it would take placa within tha sita plan, that the division of tha lots throughout tha Park was what tha QEDC was saaking to achiava and that, in and of itsalf, does not naad or raquira any altaration in this pond. Cartainly, thara were a lot of commants and concarns that wara raisad about this pond and wa'ra not shirking thosa. lndaad, what avantually will taka placa is that this, if approval is givan, will not ba here. It will be a straight shot down from hera, right down through to tha bottom, but that raally doasn' t apply to our subdivision and tha raason why wa havan' t addressed issuas of what's going to happan hara is that wa' ra not going to do, tha QEDC at subdividing, isn I t going to do anything with this pond and tha parson that is going to do somathing with tha pond is AVI, Astro-Valcour, Inc. Now, reprasentativas of AVI ara hara this avening. We want to maka sura that your concarns ware addrassad, that quastions that you had wara answerad to your satisfaction and tha opportunity for you to find out what's going to happen and when and, as a mattar of fact, I think it's quita important that all of tha concarns that ara outlinad in, and certainly thara ara many of tham, ba addrassad and that they do be addrassad in a timaly fashion. One of the concerns, I be1iava, is what is in tha bottom of this pond. First of all, you hava to figura out how you' ra going to lat the watar out and whara it's going to go and who 's goi~g to ba in charge of it. Aftar that, in my confarencas bafora this avaning with the Planning Dapartmant, was what's in tha bottom of that, what is in tha sadimant that's down thara and how can wa find that out and how can wa do this in an ordarly fashion? There was soma thought that, along tha way, that pond would naad to be drained and thare would nead to ba an analysis made of the bottom bafore it was disturbad or moved in any way, in casa thara ware some pravious hazardous matarials that might hava flowad down and becoma sadiment hara in this pond and, somawhere along tha way hara tonight, I know that the rapresentativas of AVI would like an opportunity to speak to you and to get your feadback as to what your suggastions are as to whan would ba tha appropriate time to taka tha watar out of this pond and maka the avaluation. What would ba your raquiramants or suggastions as to how it should ba dona so that it can ba done in an ordarly fashion and ona that complias with tha raquiramants of tha Planning Board and Engineers and Planning Departmant? I'd lika to saa if I could gat some feedback on that particular issua about this bafora wa go any furthar through tha chacklist of the various mat tars. MR. HAGAN-Asked, what would ba tha datarminad, bafora thair purchasa, not ba touched? rasponsa from that that pond your. . . of Valcour if it was could not ba altered, could MR. LAPANN-Statad thay would not purchase the proparty. MR. HAGAN-Askad, thay would not purchase tha proparty? 2 ---' MR. LAPANN-Statad that's right. MR. HAGAN-Statad what you' ra asking us, in tha sacond braath, is to ignora this issua so your subdivision can ba approvad and than you'll maka tha sala and than Quaansbury comas up as tha bad guy bacausa wa won't lat tham altar that pond, if tha casa should ba. MR. LAPANN-Statad I'm not nacassarily looking for anybody to ba a bad guy hara. All I can say is I know thay' ra going to ask for that and I just want to maka sura that wa can all... MR. HAGAN-Statad yas, but you'ra asking us to ignora that at this particular tima and that's what's got ma confusad. How can wa ignora it, at this particular tima, lat you go on with tha subdivision if you tall ma Valcour will not go through with thair purchasa if thay can't mova that pond. MR. LAPANN-Statad wall, wa would still hava a subdivision and wa could sall off any of thasa lots hara. Wa could avantually, if wa could maka a .., wa could aithar sail this to soma othar buyar who would buy it as is. Wa could mayba sail it to AVI if thay'd lika to buy it. MR. HAGAN-Statad I don't buy that. and I'm sorry to say that. I think this is just a stall on your part MR. LAPANN-Statad all I can do is maka an accurata raprasantation of our position. MR. HAGAN-Statad I think it's a davious prasantation. That's tha only way I can pu tit. MR. LAPANN-Askad, I'm sorry, what's davious about it? MR. HAGAN-Statad wall, tha fact that you' ra asking us to approva a subdivision and ignora what's going to happan to that pond in tha futura and I'm asking, wall, if wa stata wa can't ignora it and tha pond can't ba toyad with, than you'ra saying Valcour isn't going to buy that part of tha subdivision. MR. LAPANN-Statad wall, I can go on tha fact that wa want through our Skatch Plan and tha anginaars for tha Town approvad of tha fact that this pond could ba movad. Thay approvad of tha way that this drainaga would ba handlad up hara and, avantually, would flow down. I don't think wa'va baan sacrativa of tha dasira to do this. I don't think wa'va baan trying to ba dacaptiva at all. MR. HAGAN-Statad it was not brought up at tha pravious spacial maating. It was, that it could ba dona away with? MR. ROBERTS-Statad yas, I thought that was quita claar. Wa all agraad on it. MR. GANNETT-Statad if I could clarify for tha Board, tha applicantls Skatch drainaga plan for tha subdivision did proposa to ralocata that pond which would ba dona as part of sita plan raviaw. Our concarn, on bahalf of tha Town, was that whatavar amount of storaga is prasantly in that pond, ba maintainad somawhara alsa through tha construction of soma aquivalant amount of ratantion. That concapt in tha Skatch Plan for tha subdivision was tha ona that wa had racommandad tha Planning Board approva and go along with and that still is tha prasant concapt that wa'ra all talking about so far as I know. MR. HAGAN-Statad wall 11m confusad bacausa somawhara in ona of tha maatings I askad a quastion, whan thay spoka about modifying this pond, and I askad how could it ba modifiad, in fact, I think tha anginaar stood thara and said you axpact ma to maka plans whila I'm standing on my faat. That's why I'm confusad. MR. ROBERTS-Statad I thought wa cama to a pratty good agraamant, though, at Skatch Plan on this could ba dona and tha way it was going to ba dona and.. . now is to spaak to tha Valcour about is tha initial stagas of invastigating it to saa tha liability of this and, I guass, it's my parsonal faaling that that's your pond and if you want to siphon it down and saa what's on tha bottom, why is that a problam for us? It saams raasonabla to ma. Thara isn't raally that much watar in that pond. MR. CARTIER-Statad wall, to gat back to your original quastion, which is whan do you want to addrass that pond. I would hava to say, it's got to ba addrassad 3 '- ----" in such a way that you could show us, that without that pond, the drainage isn't going to work on this entire parcel, without the pond. For me, ...a requirement of the subdivision. MR. LAPANN-Stated I think that's the issue that we reviewed at the Sketch Plan and that the engineers for the Town have reviewed and recommended to be approved and what was approved. That was our overall drainage plan that excluded the pond and was presented and voted on and agreed on. Now, maybe the engineer could clarify if we haven't fully presented information necessary to evaluate the drainage without the pond, but I do believe we have presented that. MR. ROBERTS-Stated that was certainly the plan. It sounds clear to me. MR. GANNETT-Stated it may clarify things for the Board if the relocation of the pond and the stream is, in fact, shown on the subdivision even though it'll actually be constructed as part of the site plan improvements for that particular lot. MR. ROBERTS-Stated and if Valcour, for some reason or another, didn't buy that lot, they'd still have additional back up between the two roadways for retention and the pond would still be there. An existing kind of drainage is still there and not too much has changed. You can still talk about additional berming. One thing, I disagree with the letter from the City that says I realize that your commission from the Town of Queensbury does not cover this scope of work, thinking about flooding the underpass. As far as I'm concerned, we do. We've been talking about a neighborhood solution to drainage and we want to look off site for the stormwater and do a thorough job. We've been asking that question from the beginning. I think we've all solved it that it's work that's already been done, it's additional ], we I re going to send it to the east through the other culvert. I think that, somehow, we seem to be going backwards here. MR. LAPANN-Stated that's my concern, that there's going to be problems with our subdivision application based on things that have already been presented and approved. It's a confusing situation granted. It's not a simpl£ò deal here and I just want to make sure that in our presentation this ev£òning, that we don't get voted down b£òcause of something that we didn't accurately or clearly present to the Board memb£òrs. MR. CARTIER-Stat£òd w£òll, I don't think you're going to get a vote tonight. I donlt se£ò how you're going to get a vote tonight, exc£òpt in a vote in favor. MR. ROBERTS-Stated w£ò can't actually, P£òter, because w£ò can't vote at pr£òliminary until welve satisfi£òd SEQRA and we just realized we can't satisfy SEQRA until.. MR. LAPANN-Stated perhaps what w£ò could do is narrow those issues that would need to be pr£òsent£òd at a future date. MR. ROBERTS-Stated sur£ò. Maybe we b£òtter have a what if the stormwater, to have plans for what if Valcour buys that lot and if th£òY don't, for stormwater manag£òment. MR. CARTIER-Stated no matter who ends up with that lot, that pond is still going to have to be addressed on£ò way or th£ò other. MR. ROBERTS-Stated well, it, that they could live w£òll. They, apparently, location. Maybe the next th£ò next people might not feel they would need to move with it if the present scheme of things works reasonably would like to have a building covering part of that people wouldn't have to. MR. LAPANN-Stated what we would like to do is, we have structured our application process to achieve a particular end which is, not only to divide up these various lots here, but also to divide this lot right here, lot number 9, in a particular fashion and that is, is to allow this pond to be relocated and for it to have a straight flow through and that is the presentation we've made on a continual basis and that's the pres£òntation that the engineers have reviewed and approved and we stand here tonight, basically, having already had that approved at Sketch Plan, I believe. I know that there will be more information about what's going to take place, how this pond gets drained and that sort of thing and I know that there are a lot of detailed concerns that the Planning Department raised and this is the last on Page 1 of the comments. MR. CARTIER-Stated you just used a word and confused me. going to be relocated. You said the pond is 4 "'-" ...- MR. LAPANN-Stated it's not relocated. I'm sorry. MR. CARTIER-Stated the pond's going to disappear. Ok. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stated when we first started discussion with Valcour, we believed that the pond was a liability to QEDC and Valcour thought it was a liability to Valcour and I think we should ... and agree that yes, we did not feel that the Town of Queensbury or the QEDC did, in fact, want to maintain a pond in that location for a number of reasons. Mainly insurance purposas and tha liability attachad to it. It was at that point that Valcour did agraa that thay would accapt tha pond and than, onca thay lookad at thair structura, as far as the production was concarnad of tha new processing, thay falt that tha location of that building would ba in their bast intarest to ba locatad in that particular position. At tha tima, it was my understanding, whan the enginaers met in our last meating, that tha watar retantion, tha flow through that parcal, would, in fact, ba aqual to, in tarms of the ratantion process with tha schema that Morsa Enginaaring cama up with, equal to that of the pond ratantion. Now, as I sit hare tonight, Ilm not sura that wa' ra in agreament with that, and if we're not, I think we need to clarify that bafora we mova ahaad bacause in ordar to clarify soma of tha other concarns I think tha pond has got to be put aside and I. MR. ROBERTS-Statad I think wa'ra already in agraèmant with what you said. I was. MR. HAGAN-Statad you said the pond would sarve as a retention. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stated the pond is currently serving as a retention. MR. HAGAN-Asked, is that the only purposa it serves right now? It doasn't filter anything? MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stated not being an engineer, I'd have to defer that, I guess. MR. HAGAN-Stated I'm just asking you for my education. Does it act as a filter? Does it act as anything in connection with the activities in the wetland? MR. GANNETT--Stated I don't believe there's an official designated wetland in that area. MR. HAGAN-Stated no, I said does the pond serve, in any way, in the same benefits as a wetland. Doas it filter? MR. GANNETT-Stated that's probably a function of how much shallow area it is. If it I S a relatively deep pond, and Ilm not sure of the depth, I'm not sure how much of that function it would serve. Our concern, on the engineering aspect, was mainly for the purpose of reducing some of the peak storm flows in that stream by at hast maintaining the same retention capability that was in the existing pond and that was our principal concern on that. MR. ROBERTS-Stated part of the water that leaves the pond is in the form of sheeting isn't it, over a wide araa, Niagra Mohawk kind of a lower wetland area. It kind of gets in further filtering before it ever gets to the culvert. Right now, the pond kind of leaks. It doesn I t really have a good dam and I don't know when~ the water's coming out of it and how much good it is doing. Why don't we answer the question, I guess we've been the question from Valcour, at what point can they investigate the pond and drain it and find out what's there. MR. JONES-Stated my name is Barry Jones. I represant Astro-Valcour and we Ive got a couple of concerns, which is one of the reasons we're here tonight. Not only do we have to prepare our environmental assessment, but, in addition, in buying this piece, we have to do our own environmental ... and we also have to test these soils for structural purposes to find out if we can build the building that we want to build in that placa and then, if so, based on what soils are actually there, can we build on top of them, do we have to remove them and replace them with other soils. So, we need to, basically, drain the pond and find out what's there for all these reasons and, part of our concern is that, a week from tonight, we're going to be here with a site plan for what we intend to do with this and we don't want to go in there prior to next week and just start doing any of this unless we're headed in the right direction in the first place. MR. ROBERTS-Stated maybe we 'va got a procedural matter we've got to clear up. I would doubt if we're going to be ready, by next week, now, with tha SEQRA thing having been thrown at us, we're not going to be ready for the site plan review until after we've satisfied SEQRA either, are we? 5 ~ --- MR. CARTIER-Stat~d that's corr~ct. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d so I think w~'v~ got a littl~ mor~ tim~ to answ~r som~ of th~s~ qu~stions. I think w~ might as w~ll canc~l n~xt w~~k's m~~ting now, am I wrong, L~~? MRS. YORK-Stat~d I think you'r~ corr~ct. MR. CARTIER-Stat~d forgiv~ m~ if I'm stating th~ obvious h~r~, but I think, som~how, w~ hav~ this horr~ndous communications thing with this whol~ proj~ct. So, if I'm stating th~ obvious, forgiv~ m~, but I want to mak~ .. .Qu~~nsbury cl~ar h~r~. Sit~ plan approval for th~ Valcour Sit~ is not going to b~ consid~r~d until QEDC has final approval. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d subdivision approval. MR. CARTIER-Stat~d it's v~ry unlik~ly that w~'r~ going to look at final subdivision approval. . . . MR. JONES-Stat~d I und~rstand that. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d but, our tim~ tabl~ has kind of chang~d, unfortunat~ly. MR. JONES-Stat~d By th~ sam~ tok~n, though, w~' r~ still int~r~st~d in th~ sit~ and w~ want to(TAPE TURNED) if w~ don't want to g~t in troubl~ down th~ lin~, if w~ I v~ got to d~sign sp~cs to prop~rly account for th~ low~ring of th~ wat~r in th~r~ without causing any damag~ down str~am. W~'v~ got to mak~ sur~ if th~r~ls anything in th~ pond, w~'r~ not disturbing that. Th~s~ ar~ all things that w~'v~ got to tak~ car~ of and, basically, if w~ wait until March 9th or th~ w~~k following March 9th or som~thing lik~ that, w~ don't MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d you' r~ alr~ady talking about a concurr~nt r~vi~w. to mak~ your r~vi~w as w~'r~ making ours, basically. You n~~d MR. CARTIER-Stat~d you ar~, in ~ff~ct, asking us if you can do, corr~ct m~ if I'm wrong, you' r~ asking us if you can do sit~ work prior to final subdivision approval. MR. JONES-Stat~d actually, no. Und~r th~ contract that w~' r~ working out, if w~ low~r that dam and w~ don I t g~t sit~ plan approval, .. to chang~ any of that so w~ hav~ to put it back, w~ hav~ to r~stor~ it th~ way it is now. So itls not pr~liminary work, in that s~ns~. W~lr~ not going to b~ draining this pond p~rman~ntly to do th~ t~sting. It's a t~mporary thing to do th~ t~sting. If th~ t~sting shows a probl~m, th~n oth~r things will hav~ to b~ don~. For instanc~, if w~ drain th~ pond and find out that th~r~ ar~ hazardous wast~s stor~d und~rn~ath its wat~rs, that I s totally sp~culativ~, but I'm just saying that for instanc~, w~'r~ going to los~ control of th~ sit~ at that point, in any cas~. MR. CARTIER-Stat~d I don't think you hav~ to drain th~ pond to t~st th~ bottom s~dim~nt. Do you? MR. JONES-Stat~d that I s going to b~ up to th~ ~ngin~~rs to d~t~rmin~ how b~st to do th~ir analysis. MR. ROBERTS-Ask~d, d~fin~ sit~ work? ...t~st borings and things ~v~n a subdivid~r would mayb~ want to know. MR. CARTIER-Stat~d that's my qu~stion. I don' t hav~ a probl~m with that. If th~y start shov~ling a lot of soil around with a· bull doz~r, for m~, that's a problam, but if you I r& just going out doing t~st hol&s and doing soil sampl~s, you'r& right, I think that's som&thing you could inv~stigat&. You' v~ got som& clay's in th&r~ and clay's do w&ird things som~ tim~s wh~n you build on th~m. So, it' s appropriat~ that you ch~ck that out v&ry car&fully, but I don It hav& a probl~m with that. MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d ~v~n if h~ drain~d th& pond, couldn't w~ allow that. MR. CARTIER-Stat&d I don't hav& a probl&m with that, but I'm not sur& I'm th~ guy who can sit h~r& and say, y~s, it IS ok to go ah~ad and do sit~ work. 6 '- ---"" MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stat~d w~ll, bt m~ just add to that also. As th~ own~r of th~ prop~rty, QEDC is saying, through contract, that, in fact, w~ can com~ in and do t~st borings, br~ach th~ dam in ord~r to drain th~ dam to id~ntify any hazardous wast~s that may b~ th~r~. w~ alr~ady know that th~r~'s a r~frig~rator and a coupl~ of stov~s down th~r~ that' s alr~ady b~~n pr~d~t~rmin~d and I think that you can go in and g~t a shov~ful of, c~rtainly w~ eould do that too, but th~ kind of t~sting that th~y'r~ having to do in ord~r to satisfy eorporat~ h~adquart~rs is, I hav~ to b~li~v~, b~yond what you and I ar~ talking about h~r~ this ~v~ning. So, in our contract languag~, w~' r~ allowing that to happ~n conting~nt on ~v~rything b~ing Aok, at which tima Valcour would purchas~ proparty, but that' s th~ position w~'r~ taking at this stag~. MRS. PULVER-Stat~d supposing th~ QEDC want~d to do that on thdr own. Go in and t~st tha wat~r and drain it. Th~r~ wouldn't b~ any probl~m with that, would th~ra? MR. CARTIER-Stat~d I don't hav~ a problèm with..but, as I say, I'm not th~ guy who givès approval for that. MR. JONES-Stat~d I think our concarn is not so much w~ n~~d approval tonight. I gu~ss w~'r~ h~r~ to assur~ you that w~'r~ not jumping th~ gun on our sit~ plan. W~'r~ not going in ah~ad of tim~ to start actually working on tha proj~ct b~for~ w~'v~ got sit~ plan approval. What wè'r~ going to b~ doing is t~st work. MR. HAGAN-Stat~d I think it's just common s~ns~ that w~ go along with this, not just talking about avarything baing tamporary. MR. JONES-Statad it's a part of our contractual obligation. MR. CARTIER-Statad lat' s throw it around a littla bit. In tarms of sita work, you'ra talking about tast borings to find out what, dapth to badrock, d~pth to watar tabla, modaling, soil typas, what ~ls~? MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d and all th~ pollutants th~y'r~ talking about. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stat~d plus w~'v~ got to drain tha pond in ord~r to g~t to tham. MR. CARTIER-Askad, th~y'va got to do tèst pits? Thay'v~ got to do t~st borings? MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stat~d that's it. Taking a ..of dirt...in diam~tar, 6 fa~t daap. I think our purposa for suggasting or gètting your cons~nsus is m~raly that, wh~n w~'ra in thara doing that, wa would lik~ not to hava th~ Planning Board h~ar about, w~' ra in th~r~ doing som~ things without pra~mpting or having full information and I think that's our sharing of that information. Thank you vary much. MR. PULVER-Statad I would think tha QEDC would hav~ dona that in advanca to find out whath~r or not ...rathar than wait till now. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d did you want to go through soma mora of th~s~? MR. LAPANN-Stat~d as to thosa commants on tha bottom of Paga 1 of 3 raally, I would only say, in thos~ two paragraphs, that I think g~n~rally say, what's going to happan with this pond, who's going to taka car~ of it, and what's going to happ~n thara. Th~ answar, th~n, I would lik~ to say is, AVI I s going to do tha work with it, th~y'r~ going to tak~ car~ of it. Thay'r~ now going to tast it to find out th~ prop~r way to do it and that's what's going to happ~n with th~ pond. Th~ subdivid~r's not planning to do anything with that pond. Our r~qu~st is that it's going to b~ mov~d, or that th~ straam is going to b~ mov~d, but that tha work is going to ba dona by AVI and ask~d that th~y addr~ss that in th~ir sit~ plan. MR. ROBERTS-Statad you had som~thing, Wayn~. MR. GANNETT-Statad I just want~d to rais~ a point I think that th~ subdivision is th~ appropriat~ plac~ to show any ~as~m~nts which ar~, in fact, from th~ drainag~ ~as~m~nts going to b~ cr~at~d. It may ba Astro-Valcour that I s going to do that work of th~ r~location of th~ pond, but I think on~ of th~ Board' s conc~rns is that wh~n th~r~ is an ~as~m~nt craat~d, that that b~ shown on th~ subdivision map. MR. LAPANN-Stat~d I guass what w~' r~ r~ally going to b~ doing is r~locating an ~as~m~nt that ~xists th~ra today, that has axist~d for som~ tim~ and that wa c~rtainly hava no probl~m with outlining strictly wh~r~ that would b~, a 30 foot 7 ---./ widð ðasðmðnt and I would ask that Wð bð allowðd to do that in this prOCðSS. As to thð mattðrs on Pagð 2 of 3, in rðgarding thð connðction of strððts in adjoining subdivisions and also, this also addrðssðs a lðttðr by Mr. Naylor datðd Fðbruary 20th, 1990. It involvðs connðcting this proposðd roadway in our subdivision with thð propðrty adjoining it and I could say affirmativðly to you this ðvðning that thð QEDC cðrtainly has no objðction to connðcting thð littlð adjoining propðrty. If that's what propðr planning is, that's what Wð want to do and Wð would suggðSt that, ask that Wð bð allowðd to, at somð point in timð, connðct with thð adjoining propðrty who, I bðliðvð, is Mr. Charlðbois, and wð'rð not awarð, at this point in timð, as to ðxactly what his plans arð. I bðliðvð that his roadway, as proposðd, is in a diffðrðnt location than ours, but that Wð cðrtainly would bð happy to work togðthðr with him to connðct this roadway with ours. I'm not surð what additional work would bð nððdðd at Prðliminary Stagð for us to addrðss that particular issuð. I don't know if thðrð arð any furthðr ðnginððring studiðs that nððd to bð donð or if thðrð arð any furthðr drawings that nððd to bð prðparðd or submittðd. If thðrð arð, could you communicatð thosð to us? MRS. YORK-Askðd now, or at anothðr timð? MR. LAPANN-Statðd wðll pðrhaps, if Wð' rð not looking to sððk any approval this ðvðning, Wð could schðdulð a mððting. I do apprðciatð all thð givð and takð and dialoguð that Wð'Vð had so far and I'm surð that Wð can continuð to do that. In thð third major paragraph, concðrning thð turning radius on tha roadway. I bðliðvð thð arða that's in concðrn is this turn right hðrð, is that corrðct? MRS. YORK-Statðd yðS. MR. LAPANN-Statðd this turn right hðrð and it I S also shown ovðr harð. It's my undðrstanding that thð araa that's raally in quðstion is now thð propðrty of tha Town of Quaðnsbury. It's tha dðdicatðd roadway and I'm not going to ignorð that fact and wð'ra not saðking to pass thð buck. Thðrð might bð an avðnuð of ramoving an island that stands in thð middla of this, right in thð middlð of this, basically, is whðra it is. Pðrhaps if this warð rðmovðd totally, that any vðhiclðs that wðrð making a turn to go towards Quakar Road would havð an ðasiðr timð of it. I don't know if that would ba an appropriata solution, but that's cðrtainly somðthing wald suggðSt and if Wð ara having somð pðoplð in this arða doing paving and major road construction, cartainly, ðvðn though thð road is not ours, it's now thð Town of Quaðnsbury' s road, Wð cðrtainly would ba happy to accommodata any dðsign changðs that wa could at that timð to makð sura that thð projact would ba a wðll plannðd and ordðrly ona. MR. CARTIER-Statad I assumð youlrð also including trucks going out that way. MR. LAPANN-Statðd as thð trucks going out making this turn, that's corrðct. MR. CARTIER-Statðd ok. MR. LAPANN-Statðd I'm not surð ðxactly. I don't havð a proposal, as Wð stand hðrð today, as to what thð bðst way to do that is. Unfortunatðly, thðrð is a drain catch basin sitting right smack in tha cornðr thðrð as it axists today, but I donlt know if that nðgatðs thð opportunity to widðn this turn, I don't raally know how thðsð trucks turn, or narrow tha madian ovðr thðrð, whatðvar nððds to bð donð. I'm not suggðsting that thð QEDC taka on all tha axpðnsð of altaring tha Town of Quaðnsbury's roadway at this point in tima, but Wð cðrtainly would likð to work togðthar with thð Town in whatavar way Wð could to achiðvð that ðnd. MR. CARTIER-Statðd sincð Wð I rð talking about that, maybð this is thð placa to throw this in. Ona of thð concðrns I hava tharð is that, you' ra going to havð truck traffic going by what, ðvantually, will bðcomð a child carð cðntðr. Somðhow it's going to havð to bð addrðssad, as far as I'm concðrnðd, is tharð any spðad limits, childrðn playing signs, whatðvðr's nðcðssary. I lika tha idða of a child carð cantðr, but thðrð nððds to ba somðthing thðrð to sðparata thð mixðs. MR. LAPANN-Askad, would that ba somathing within tha subdivision location or would you suggast that would ba mora appropriata, if wa do gat tha subdivision, onca thðy do a sita plan ovar hara. Whan would you suggast would ba a good tima so wa'll makð sura it gðtS dona? MR. CARTIER-Statad I would think in tha subdivision bacausa it I s difficult for somðbody that's doing tha sita plan for child cara and hava to gat tha Town to placa signs and so on. Plus, thara maybð truck traffic alraady coming in by tha tima, I don't know. 8 '"-" ---' MR. LAPANN-Statßd ok, wßll, Wß cßrtainly arß going to makß somß additional matßrials and wß' 11 makß somß suggßstions along thoSß linßs that, to protßct thß childrßn, that might bß in, what is shown on thßsß maps, as lot numbßr 2. As to thß last paragraph on Pagß 2 of 3, rßgarding thß traffic study. I can say that I would rßfßr to thß lßttßr submittßd to thß Planning Board by Mr. Gannßtt, datßd Fßbruary 20th, 1990 whßre he states that, "based on the assumption that parcel 9 will be accessed only from Warren Street, the subdivision dOßs not appear to impose an unduß burden on Dix AVßnue traffic" and if there needs to be some additional traffic studies done on Warrßn Strßet, in addition to that, we will be certainly happy to provide those, but it appears to me that thß Towrt's engineßr has reviewed that and suggested that the traffic situation is not going to be a major impact, correct mß if I'm wrong. I know you're not spßaking for the DOT. MR. GANNETT-Stated I'll let DOT spßak for themsßlves. MR. ROBERTS-Stated in speaking for themselves, thßY don't agree with the figures that we'vß gotten so far. Is that correct? MR. GANNETT-Stated that may be. I'vß not had any conversations with the people at DOT the information that was presented in thß traffic study indicatßd to us that there would not bß a problßm with traffic on Dix Avenuß based on all of thß lots except for lot 9, using Dix AVßnuß ßntrancß. MR. ROBERTS-Stated you're saying Dix AVßnue...that's farther down thß road, though. Farther off of this intersection, I guess, is where level of sßrvicß.. seem to be. The question is, how far do we go with our traffic study, I guess. Is that the problem or to look down Quaker Road and Dix Avenuß east of Quaker Road. How far away from the site are we obligated to be concerned about? MR. GANNETT-Stated I think I could that answer better once I'vß had a chance to find out what the State's concerns werß. Just going by the information that's prßsentßd here, I'm not sure that I can determine what thß State's concerns werß, that they may have some other concerns that I was not aware of in reviewing the applicant's traffic study. MR. LAPANN-Stated again, they may find that, although the traffic study submitted was not exactly what they werß looking for, that they havß no real concerns and that the traffic is just fine on Dix Avenue, even as submitted. MR. GANNETT-Stated it may still be an open issue until the State has addressed their concerns. MR. CARTIER-Stated I don't understand what you just said. Did you just say if you talk about lots 1 through 8 only, the traffic on Dix Avenue is not a problem? Traffic on Dix Avenue, however, becomes a problem if you include lot 9, is that what youlre saying? MR. GANNETT-Stated that's not exactly what I'm saying. Thß traffic study that they've submitted does not show lot 9 coming on to Dix Avenue so there isn't any numbers gßnerated to show whethßr it would or would not be a problem. MR. LAPANN-Statßd again, we'rß not proposing to entßr on to Dix Avenuß. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Statßd there will be no access to lot 9 from Dix Avenuß. access only Warren Street, lot 9. Is that correct, Jim? That'll MR. LAPANN-Statßd thatls correct. MR. ROBERTS-Stated I might raise an interesting question about firß and emergßncy access. You could probably reach firß hydrants from the back side of the building, eVßn put it out the front section. MR. SCARTELLI-Stated thßrß's a hydrant oppositß the building. MR. LAPANN-Stated I'd like, next, to talk about the top of Page 3 of 3 and that rßgards thß City of Glßns Falls. It certainly has beßn our intention to fully satisfy the City in their concerns short of going down and putting in a new culvert or drainage system down on Warren Streßt. I did havß a convßrsation with both Manning Cohen and Joe Sullivan today. I spoke to them spßcifically about the lßtter that Mr. Cohen sent and all I can tell you, I do not have the letter, as I stand herß today, from Manning Cohen or Joe Sullivan, that says anything other 9 --- than the on~ th~y did submit. I would sugg~st that th~ l~tt~r th~y submitt~d do~s not show a full und~rstanding of our drainag~ syst~m as propos~d, but I can say, that asid~, that both Mr. Coh~n and Mr. Sullivan stat~d that th~y did not want to stand in th~ way of this proj~ct and had no major conc~rns about it. Th~r~ w~r~ only two conc~rns that th~y did hav~ about th~ proj~ct. Th~ first is that th~ ov~rflow of th~ pond, which will b~~liminat~d in our proposal. Th~ s~cond is, what's going to happ~n down on Warr~n Str~~t. How ar~ w~ going to avoid probl~ms with th~ flow that's down b~low and I think that, at th~ Sk~tch Plan, it was d~t~rmin~d that this applicant, for subdivision approval, n~~d only addr~ss th~ ar~a, th~ flow of th~ wat~r through our particular subdivision and that that's what w~ hav~ addr~ss~d is that w~ ar~ not going to imp~d~ or caus~ a probl~m with th~ flow of th~ drainag~ ~as~m~nt as it go~s through our proj~ct and w~ hav~ account~d for th~ tr~atm~nt of stormwat~r runoff on our sit~s and that that is what th~ ~ngin~~rs hav~ r~vi~w~d and what th~ Planning Board has approv~d. So as to th~ two conc~rns of th~ City, on~ r~garding ov~rflow of th~ pond and th~ oth~r r~garding an offsit~ condition, I would stat~ that w~ will provid~ additional docum~ntation for you, but that in my discussion with both Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Coh~n, th~y did not want to stand in th~ way of th~ proj~ct and had no major conc~rns about it and I would lik~ to submit additional docum~ntation on that aft~r w~ hav~ an additional m~~ting with th~m. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d this was sch~dulèd as a public h~aring. Is anybody from th~ City h~r~, I wond~r? Is th~r~ anybody in th~ audi~nc~ who car~s to comm~nt on this proj~ct? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED NO COMMENT PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. LAPANN-Stat~d n~xt, Ild lik~ to addr~ss som~ Ass~ssm~nt Form. In particular, I' d lik~ to addr~ss 3 on th~ long form ~nvironm~ntal ass~ssm~nt form. issu~s on th~ Environm~ntal qu~stion Numb~r 20 on Pag~ MR. ROBERTS-Ask~d, hazardous wast~s?" "Has th~ sit~ ~v~r b~~n us~d is this th~ qu&stion? for th& disposal of solid or MR. LAPANN-Stat~d that's corr&ct. In discussing this with Mrs. York today, I und&rstand that th~r~ was som~ conc~rn about wh~th~r th& Planning Board would want som~ furth~r clarification or affirmativ& stat&m&nts on th& part of th~ QEDC r~garding this particular it&m and I'd lik~ to stat~ this ~v~ning, for th~ r~cord, that, to th& b&st of th& knowl~dg~ of th~ QEDC, th~ Qu~&nsbury Economic D~v~lopm~nt Corporation, th& applicant h&r& tonight, that this sit~ has n~v~r b~~n us&d for th~ disposal of solid or hazardous wast~s, to th~ b~st of our knowl~dg~, as w~ ar~ h&r& tonight. MR. CARTIER-Ask&d, th&r& IS no old quarry on that sit~. th~ r~frig~rator on th~ pond. With th~ exc&ption of MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d th~ pond would probably b~ th~ old quarry, though, wouldn't it, if th&r& w&r&? MR. CARTIER-Stat~d I don't know. Is th~r~ an old quarry on that prop~rty? MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stat~d no. MR. LAPANN-Stat&d th~ n&xt conc&rn I'd 1ik& to addr&ss is on Pag~ 4 of th& long form and that's qu&stion Numb~r 8 r~garding blasting and I b~li~v& that th&r& may b~ som~ blasting in doing our propos~d roadway. It's impossibl& to t&ll at this point, but w~ did som& blasting in th~ d~v~lopm~nt of our initial roadway, Progr~ss Boul~vard and th~r~ may v~ry w~l1 n~~d additional blasting around th~ tim& that w~ do th~ oth&r road blasting. I would sugg~st that whoavar wa would contract to do such work would b~ fully ragulatad or lic~ns~d or approv~d blasting company and would cartainly hav~ to ...blasting in complianca with all tha r~quir~m~nts. MR. CARTIER-Stat~d l~t m~ toss som~thing in hara that may ba a ralativaly minor issu~ I'm just raising a quastion and, again, it goas back to clays, soma clays and I'm not suggasting th~s~ clays ara Som& clays, wh~n subjactad to shock und&rgo what's cal1ad liquous action, thay liquify and wh&th~r thos~ clays on th~ prop~rty ar~ thos~ typa of clays might ba a qu~stion ... In my ~xpari~nca with ..clays, thay do soma waird things. 10 -- ..-' MR. LAPANN-State:d ok, thank you. Ne:xt, I'd like: to talk about Ite:m Numbe:r 14 on that same: page: "Will surface: are:a of an e:xistingwate:r body be: incre:ase:d or de:cre:ase:d by the: proposal?" and I'd like: to ask Nick Scarte:lli to addre:ss that particular issue:. MR. ROBERTS-State:d se:e:ms like: that should be: a ye:s, if we:' re: going to e:liminate: the: pond. MR. SCARTELLI-State:d we:ll, of course:, if we: e:liminate: the: pond, the: only incre:ase: we:'re: going to have: in wate:r surface: is what is going to be: re:taine:d in the: ditche:s, one: be:ing be:twe:e:n the: me:dian and the: othe:r be:ing in the: outle:t ditch through the: propose:d Valcour prope:rty. So it may be: de:cre:asing it, ye:s. MR. CARTIER-State:d you are:, you're: e:liminating a pond. The: surface: are:a de:cre:ase:s. MR. SCARTELLI-State:d we: 11 , whe:n you actually de:cre:ase: it that de:pe:nds upon what the: le:ve:l of the: wate:r is at the: time:. MR. CARTIER-Aske:d, but you're: going to fill the: pond in. MR. SCARTELLI-State:d ye:s. MR. CARTIER-State:d the: pond is actually going to be: gone: so the< surface< is going to de<cre<ase: to ze:ro. I don't think it's a big issue:. MR. ROBERTS-State:d I don't e<ithe:r. MR. CARTIER-State:d- it's just that a matte:r that it should not be< no, it should be: ye:s. MR. LAPANN-State:d we: will make: an alte<ration in that. The: ne:xt ite:m that I'd like< to addre<ss has to do with Page: 7, que:stion Numbe:r 5, "Will the: propose:d action affe:ct surface: or groundwate:r quality or quantity?" MR. SCARTELLI-State:d one: of the: ite:ms unde:rne<ath that Ite<m 5 says that, "Propose:d action would use: wate:r in e:xce:ss of 20,000 gallons pe<r day." I think that action that the<y're: talking about has to do with if the<re: was going to be:...on the: site:. This has, of course:, Town wate:r that's going to be: put on the: site:. (TAPE TURNED) MR. ROBERTS-State:d the< ope:rable< word is "significant". I think we: I re: talking significant he<re: e:ve<n if we: said ye:s, the<re: would be: a small amount. MR. SCARTELLI-State:d I think the: quantity that we<' reo talking about for the< total use< of the< building thatls pre:se:ntly on the: site:, I think, some:whe:re: around 20,000 gallons. MR. CARTIER-Aske:d, are: you saying that re<fe<rs to the: drawing out of we:lls? MR. SCARTELLI-State:d no, 11m just saying, it says groundwate:r, "significantly e:ffe:ct groundwate:r". MR. CARTIER-State:d "surface: wate:r or groundwate:r". MR. SCARTELLI-State<d ye<s, it says "quality or quantity of surface: or groundwate<r". MR. CARTIER-State:d ye:s, but the< que:stion, the: othe<r side: of that, whe:n you're: done< using that 20,000 gallons, what do you do with it? MR. SCARTELLI-State:d we< I re< putting it into the: se:we:r. it on site:? You me<an why do we: use< MR. CARTIER-State:d ye:s. MR. SCARTELLI-State<d as dome:stic wate:r. MR. CARTIER-State:d alright, I unde<rstand. MR. LAPANN-State<d the< ne:xt page: I just want to touch on is que:stion Numbe<r 17 on Page< 10 and that involve:s impact on public he:alth and just to state: that we: are< planning, this, again, touche:s on inve:stigation of this pond, and we:'re: ce:rtainly going to inve<stigate: it. It's going to be: inve:stigate:d and ....anticipate< 11 ---- ---,,' that th~r~ isn't going to b~ a probl~m. it. . Th~ fact that QEDC is not finish~d with I b~li~v~ that that go~s through th~ comm~nts of Mrs. York and th~ F~bruary 15th, 1990 comm~nts. w~ hav~ addr~ss~d th~ l~tt~r of Mr. Gann~tt conc~rning th~ traffic study and th~ l~tt~r Mr. Naylor, th~ highway sup~rint~nd~nt, conc~rning m~~ting th~ roadways. I know th~r~ ar~ s~v~ral it~ms that w~ ar~ going to provid~ within a m~~ting with th~ Planning D~partm~nt and th~ ~ngin~~ring conc~rn th~ adjoining of th~ roadway to th~ adjac~nt prop~rty. W~lr~ going to provid~ additional information about th~ traffic saf~ty conc~rning th~ child car~ c~nt~r. If th~r~ ar~ any oth~r qu~stions conc~rning th~ sit~, I' d c~rtainly b~ happy to answ~r th~m. w~ hav~ th~ ~ngin~~r h~r~, w~ hav~ th~ r~pr~s~ntativ~s of AVI h~r~ to answ~r any qu~stions that you may hav~ or that ~ngin~~r has. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d I think w~'v~ addr~ss~d most ~v~rything, hav~n't w~? MR. HAGAN-Ask~d, did I miss it, or did you say you addr~ss~d th~ l~tt~r from Manning Coh~n? MR. LAPANN-Stat~d y~s, I did. L~t m~ just m~ntion that bri~fly. I'd spok~, today, with Manning Coh~n and with Jos~ph Sullivan about that particular l~tt~r and, as I said, I don't hav~ a l~tt~r h~r~ today from Mr. Coh~n saying, go ah~ad with th~ proj~ct, but what I would sugg~st is that, along with th~ mat~ria1s that w~ will b~ submitting with this proj~ct, that I fully anticipat~ that w~ will submit such a l~tt~r. As h~ ~xplain~d to m~, his int~nt was not to stop or in any way hind~r th~ moving forward of this and that w~ will b~ m~~ting with him to go through all of our chang~s and addr~ss th~ir two conc~rns which ar~ th~ pond runoff and th~ ar~a down by Warr~n Str~~t. MR. YORK-Ask~d, is th~ Board going to r~qu~st modifi~d plans and a modifi~d long form, th~n? MR. CARTIER-Stat~d I would think so. MRS. YORK-Stat~d I would think so too. MR. ROBERTS-Ask~d, a modifi~d long form? MRS. YORK-Stat~d som~ of th~ answ~rs on this on~ w~r~ r~ctifi~d and I would lik~ a. . MR. CARTIER-Stat~d in oth~r words, w~' r~ going to s~~ pap~rwork that r~fl~cts all th~ things that w~'v~ discuss~d tonight. MR. YORK-Stat~d y~s. Is that your und~rstanding? MR. LAPANN-Stat~d thatls my und~rstanding, y~s. Thank you v~ry much. MR. CARTIER-Stat~d just so w~'r~ on th~ sam~ wav~l~ngth. Mayb~ I'm ov~rly conc~rn~d about this, but I just want to, I'v~ b~~n trying to k~~p a list of ~v~rything w~'v~ b~~n talking about. Issu~s d~aling with th~ pond, th~s~ ar~ v~ry g~n~ral comm~nts, through road to th~ Charl~bois prop~rty, traffic studi~s, traffic flow within th~ subdivision, ~as~m~nts, n~w ~as~m~nts shown, City of Gl~ns Falls conc~rns, plus any oth~r comm~nts by Staff, traffic control what~v~r n~~ds to b~ don~ around futur~ child car~ c~nt~r. Hav~ I miss~d anything? MRS. YORK-Stat~d if you want to talk to th~ Town of Qu~~nsbury Highway Sup~rint~nd~nt about modifying that op~n ar~a th~r~, pl~as~ f~~l fr~~. MR. LAPANN-Stat~d I would lik~ to, wh~n w~ submit th~ information r~garding th~ chang~ of th& roadway to th~ adjoining parc~l, I' d c~rtainly lik~ to clèan up all th& issu~s that w~ hav~. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Ask~d, L~~, do you s&~ a probl~m with thatt knowing what you know, from wh~r~ Claud~ Charl~bois is coming in from. Is th~r~ a pot~ntial probl~m? MRS. YORK-Stat~d I don't think so. Mr. Charl~bois, I'm sur~, would b~ happy to work with you and th& Planning Board has alr~ady told him, at th&ir first r~vi&w of this Proj~ct, that th&y would want his roads to link up with yours. So h&' s awar~ of that. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stat~d I hav~ sat down with Claud~ and had som~ conv~rsation and . . . his road was going to coma in th~r~ and just that modification, w~' r~ off, mayb~, by a f~w f~~t. 12 -- -- MR. ROBERTS-Statad and you'ra lot lina's baan changad... MR. CHAMPAGNE-Statad not raally... MR. LAPANN-Statad what I would ask is that wa do hava an opportunity to prasant tha information that wa discussad tonight at at tima that would mova...tha Staff.. that wa'ra undar from our applicant. MRS. YORK-Statad if I hara from DOT or anyona a1sa, as soon as possibla, I will lat tha Chairman and tha rast of tha Board and your paopla know and ....taka what action is appropriata. MR. ROBERTS-Askad, you'ra thinking about a spacial maating? MRS. YORK-Statad no, I'm not. I'm not thinking about anything. If I hara from DOT or any of tha othar agancias any aarliar than anticipatad, I will immadiataly lat you know. MR. CARTIER-Statad with ragard to a spacial maating, if wa' ra going to go to a spacial maating, I would lika not only to sat a spacial maating data, but also submit a submission daadlina for that spacial maating data. MR. ROBERTS-Statad cas a by caSa basis, or, wa don't want to maka that a routina. MR. CARTIER-Statad no, but what I'm saying is in a casa lika this, I think in fairnass to applicant's and in fairnass to Staff, thair ought to ba a submission daad lina. MR. ROBERTS-Statad mayba that's what wa' ra thinking about now. I guass wa don't know, raally, whan wa'ra going to ba abla to gat tha othar agancias in lina, whan tha work is going to ba dona. MR. LAPANN-Statad I can say that wa'ra going to mova along with this with as much spaad as wa possibly can to gat all thasa issuas claanad up and gat tham ovar to tha Staff and Enginaar...so that's our gama plan, if that's accaptabla, but wa would hava it in as soon as wa possibly could. I thank you vary much for your patianca. MR. ROBERTS-Statad I'm not just sura, whan to say it naads to ba in, a waak, 10 days prior to any spacial maating to giva Staff tima. MR. CARTIER-Statad what about submission daadlina data. What kind of tima doas Staff naad batwaan a spacial maating and tima to raviaw stuff coming in. MRS. YORK-Statad wall, tha problam with spacial maatings is, as wa found out during tha concapt approval of this, is that wa hava Staff raviaw with all tha Dapartmant haads thara only ona tima a month. That's why wa hava our daadlinas sat up tha way thay ara so, tha following waak wa hava to gat all tha Dapartmant haads togathar and raviaw projacts, so if anyona has commants at that tima, wa can gat tham. So, if you hava spacial maatings, that is not always occurring. MR. ROBERTS-Statad in othar words, it pracludas anything baing put on tha fast track. MRS. YORK-Statad wall, not raally. If I faal that thara mayba a concarn by tha Watar Dapartmant or Highway Dapartmant, I will run tha plans ovar and ask tham to look at tham, but somatimas thara is somathing on this, too, that tha Dapartmant haad, sitting thara, will pick up. So, that's a considaration for tha Board, that you hava to ba awara of. Tha raason tha structura is tha way it is, is for a logical raason. For tha Planning Dapartmant to hava tima to raviaw tham, I would say a waak is raally sufficiant. MR. ROBERTS-Statad wa' ra gatting down, now, mayba mora to datail. and, parhaps wa I ra talking about Wayna or tha anginaaring wouldn't Dapartmant haads possibly. Towards tha raquira all MRS. YORK-Statad wall, most of tha Dapartmant haads hava mada thair commants at this point. MR. ROBERTS-Statad that's right. 13 -- '---/ MR. CHAMPAGNE-Ask&d, if this goes to March 9th, and with a little luck, it might not, but if it gO&S to March 9th, ar& we still looking, th&n, at the pr&liminary approval and th&n it would b& anoth&r month b&for& W& g&t the final approval? Is that th& sc&nario, just to h&lp m& with it? MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d I don't know. W& hav& two oth&r m&&tings, I gU&SS, lat&r in th& month, p&rhaps one of thos& m&&tings could be a sp&cial m&&ting lik& W& IV& done her&. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Stat&d but, I gU&SS, l&t' s open it up to thê r&gular mêêting and say to Dav& Baar of Valcour, tha bast wê'ra going to bê ablê to do for you, Dava, as far as our approval for subdivision, and we nêêd to gêt subdivision approval befora you' ra going to bê looking at thê sitê rêviêw ,is that what I hêard you say? MR. ROBERTS-Statad right. MR. CARTIER-Statêd final subdivision approval. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Statêd right, which, if &varything happanad and Wê didn't gat into any spacial maatings, but if it happên&d on a rêgular basis, Wê I rê looking at March 9th, April somathing or oth&r. MR. ROBERTS-Statêd wall, March 9th is alrêady going to bê a spêcial mêêting. Wa don't havê mêeting than. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Statêd oh, I'm sorry, ok. MR. CARTIER-Statad wait a minutê. spacial mêating? Havê W& just dêcidêd Wê' ra going to hava a MR. ROBERTS-Statad wêll, no, Wê don't know whan wê'll bê rêady Yêt. That's what I was trying to gêt out of you. Ara Wê willing to go for a sp&cial mêêting as êarly wa can addrass SEQRA, as aarly as Wê can gêt thê othêr aganciês to sign on and kêêp this on a littla bit of a fast track and mayba finish it up latar in tha month for final and sita plan. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Statêd my undarstanding is that, by law, this information has to bê on your dêsk by March 9th, is that corract? MRS. YORK-Stat&d yas. MR. CHAMPAGNE-Statad or earliêr. Now, this is just a numbar crunching process whêra Wê just gat tha information in and if it m&ats tha &nginaêrs satisfaction, it's rêport&d back and that givês us prêliminary approval. MR. CARTIER-Statêd but, Wê just wipêd out Staff timê to look at it. If it comas in the 9th and wa havê a maating tha 9th, Staff hasn I t got a chancê to look at it, right? MRS. YORK-Statad right. I mêan, you would havê your nêW plan to us prior to that. MR. CARTIER-Statêd sUPPOSê Wê talk about a ma&ting, 11m thinking off thê top of my haad, March 9th is wh&n avarything has to bê in from avarybody. Add a waak to that, that III giva you a wêêk to look at anything that's going to comê up, maybê thê 16th. MR. ROBERTS-Statêd parhaps Wê could do naxt month, what Wê triad to do this month. MR. LAPANN-Statad my only rêquast on that is, according to our davêlopêr that we'rê all working togêthêr to try and gêt it in hêrê, that if hê dOêsnlt gat start&d tha first faw wêaks of March, that wa'rê going to bê looking at a sarious problam with thê liability of thê Projact. MR. ROBERTS-Statêd wall he's alraady missêd that. Thêra's no way wê'rê.... MR. LAPANN-Statêd I undêrstand that and what I would ask is that if, for êxamplê, within tha naxt 10 days, that w&'ra abla to gêt th& mat&rials in and th& Planning D&partm&nt, than, had a wêak to rêviêw êvarything that W& put in, all thê am&nd&d matêrials, that onc& that final numb&r com&s in, p&rhaps a short&r timê pariod from wh&n that final numbar comêS in till th& tim& of a sp&cial m&&ting. I appr&ciat& &v&rything you'V& dona. I'm just asking that, giv&n th& fact that 14 -' --- w~ g~t ~v~rything in, it's just w~ want to add to that. Mayb~ th~ ~ngin~~r or L~~ could giv~ a sugg~stion as to how long you think it would tak~ for that final traffic study onc~ it cam~ in until wh~n you'd b~ r~ady to r~port on it. MR. GANNETT-Stat~d wdl, I think th~ w~~k that w~'v~ b~~n talking about is a r~åsonabl~ tim~ to r~vi~w all th~ mat~rials. MR. LAPANN-Stat~d so if you hav~ all th~ mat~ria1s and you 'v~ r~vi~w~d th~m all in a w~~k and at th~ ~nd of that w~~k you g~t th~ DOT r~port, th~n, how long would it b~ from that? MR. GANNETT-Stat~d that r~ally d~p~nds on what's in th~ DOT r~port. If it turns out th~r~' s no big disagr~~m~nt on traffic numb~rs, that may b~ a formality. If th~y hav~ a major probl~m with th~ traffic analysis, th~n that may r~quir~ som~ additional work on your part to clarify that. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d mayb~ w~ I r~ willing to just bav~ it up to Staff to do it as fast as they g~t all the information in from th~ oth~r ag~nci~s. Information from you, and put a m~eting tog~th~r. I don't know how fast you can g~t th~ oth~r ag~nci~s to sign off right now, do you. MRS. YORK-Stat~d no, that's th~ probl~m. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d that's what may hang us up, but we hav~ no control ov~r it. MR. LAPANN-Stat~d all I can say is that this applicant could not ask for mor~ coop~ration and assistanc~ than w~ 'v~ r~c~iv~d and w~ c~rtainly would appr~ciat~, and leave it up to th~ Planning D~partment and th~ engine~r, if that's acc~ptable to you, to schedul~ a m~~ting wh~n th~y ar~ pr~par~d. MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d w~'v~ tri~d to be coop~rativ~. our tun~. I gu~ss w~' re not changing MR. PULVER-Stat~d I think th~y hav~ a tough job. ! On motion m~~ting was adjourn~d. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Richard Rob~rts, Chairman 15 '.. .. - F f l- COpy ----- TOWN OF QUEENSBURY planning Department -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: February 15. 1990 By: Lee A. York Area Variance Uøe Variance == Sign Variance _ IDterpretatioa --L SubdiftBioa: Sketch. X Prelim' - - :mary, Site Plan Rmew == Petition for a ChaDge of Zone Freshwater WetlaDda Permit Final Other: AppUcation Number: Subdivision No. 1-1990 MeetiDg Date: Queensbury Economic Development Corp./Queensbury Technical Park Special Meeting: Tuesday, February ZO, 1990 following the regularly scheduled meeting. Applicant'. Name: ............................................................................................ The application is for an industrial subdivision off of Dix Avenue. The Queensbury Economic Development Corporation is the owner of the proposed eight lot subdivision. The Technical Park proposes to divide 3Z.3 acres into parcels ranging from 1.31 acres to 15.96 acres. This subdivision plan has some inconsistencies with regard to the Va1cour Site Plan (lot number 9, 15.96 acres). The subdivision plan shows the pond as existing and does not show any drainage way modification. The Valcour plan indicates that the pond will be filled and a new drainage way will be constructed. The proposed drainage way is to drain the lots in the northern part of the subdivision and exit onto the lands of Niagara Mohawk to the south. QEDC does have an existing agreement with Niagara Mohawk to drain onto their property. The Board should determine what the status is, of the pond, as part of the CUlTent drainage area, and what it will be in the future. If it is to be filled in, we need to know how this is to be accomplished, and how the CUlTent water retained in the pond will be dealt with. We should be assured that the removal of the pond will not affect the City or other properties. We also need to know who is to be responsible for filling the pond and how the project will be handled. The Board should be assured that the hydraulic functions of retention, sedimentation, and cleansing of the waters which passed through it will be carried out in the proposed drainage way. If contaminates or particulate matter have been held in the pond, the Board should make sure that the drainage way can filter the same materials. We also need to know who will maintain the proposed drainage way. If it is to be the Town, an easement with Valcour should be executed. We should have a grading plan showing before and after contours of the pond and drainage way. The drainage and erosion control plan should also identify these items. page 1 of 3 ( -.../ The traffic report on this project has been requested by DOT and Wan-en County DPW. Our. Regulations require (page 33, Subdivision Regulation.); 6. Continuation of Projection of Certain Streets The an-angement of streets in the subdivision shall provide for the continuation of principal streets of adjoining subdivisions, and for proper projection of principal streets into adjoining properties which are not yet subdivided, in order to make possible necessary fire protection, movement of traffic and the construction or extension, presently or when later required, of needed utilities and public service such as sewers, water and drainage facilities. Where, in the opinion of the Town Board, topographic or other conditions make such continuation or projection undesirable or impracticable, this requirement may be modified. Approved future connector links shall be dedicated at the same time the principal streets are dedicated. There is in existence, a Planning Board Sketch Plan approval on the adjoining Charlebois Industrial Park (Major Commercial Subdivision No. 88-1). The approval on this subdivision shows a roadway which merges into the Technical Park. It would be appropriate for the Technical Park to plan a linkage of roadway and services with the adjoining subdivision. This would provide truck access to the entire industrial area via interior roads. The unnamed street intersecting Progress Blvd. should be named on the plans. The intersection of the two roads may cause a problem to the large trucks entering and existing the facility. From a review of "Architectural Graphic Standards" - Seventh Edition, it would appear that the turning radius will be tight. Upon entering and making the turn onto the unnamed street, it is likely that a large truck will have to swerve into the Rozelle entrance way to make the curve. Conversely, upon exiting, a large truck turning from the unnamed street onto Progress Blvd. will probably enter the median. The situation is tight. What may improve it, is to shorten and nan-ow the median at the southwest end of Progress Blvd. The traffic report states that the intersection of Progress Blvd. will operate at no less than a level of service "B". The data in the report substantiates this. The roadway capacity analysis conducted by Wan-en County DPW on September 19, 1988 (attached) states that Dix Avenue, east of Quaker Road, is at a level of service "D". Dix Avenue, west of Quaker Road, is at a level of service "C" (documentation attached). The rational for requesting a traffic study is to determine traffic impacts on existing roadways and intersections from a proposed development. Conclusions about the intersection of Dix Avenue and Progress Blvd. do not address what the additional traffic will do to traffic movement on Dix Avenue and how the developer can mitigate the impacts. As I have stated, Wan-en County DPW and DOT have requested to review this study. I will attempt to get suggestions from them about this, and what their concerns would be as soon as possible. page Z of 3 i' ~ -- -- The Board requested that the developer's agent get a letter from the City addressing their earlier concerns. We have received this, and I have attached it for your consideration. In reviewing the Environmental Assessment Form, I have highlighted some items which I felt the Board should clarify. Page 4 states that blasting may occur on the site. You may want to discuss this before checking that there will be no site changes. Also, on page 4, number 14 states that the surface area of an existing water body will not be increased or decreased. This should be clarified. I have duplicated the EAF and "stared" statements that I feel should be discussed or clarified. 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