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1990-07-24 '----' .-../ QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SECOND REGULAR MEETING JULY 24TB, 1990 INDEX Site Plan No. 52-90 Robert Joy and Assoc. 1. Site Plan No. 53-90 Robert Joy and Assoc. 2. Site Plan No. 55-90 Guido Passarelli 3. Site Plan No. 56-90 Airron Industrial Corp. 13. Site Plan No. 57-90 Lecnard Fosbrook 19. Site Plan No. 58-90 Nancy S. and Peter L. Kudan 24. Site Plan No. 59-90 Wesley M. Bishop 26. Site Plan No. 60-90 Quick Lube Oil Centers, Inc~ 29. THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUfES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF REVIS IONS. REVIS IONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUfES (IF ANY) AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES. --' QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SECOND REGULAR MEETING JULY 24TH, 1990 7:30 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT RICHARD ROBERTS, CHAIRMAN CAROL PULVER, SECRETARY JAME S HAGAN PETER CARTIER CONRAD KUPILLAS NICHOLAS CAlMANO DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY-KARLA CORPUS TOWN ENGINEER-TOM YARMOWICH ASSISTANT PLANNER-STUART BAKER STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI NEW BUSINESS: SITE PLAN NO. 52-90 TYPE II WH.-lA ROBERT JOY AND ASSOC. OWNER: FLOYD H. ROURKE GLEN LAKE ROAD, NORTH SIDE FOR AN ADDITION OF A SEASONAL METAL SECTION DOCK. (WAlUŒN OOUNTY PI.AlDfING) TAX MAP NO. 38-4-22 LOT SIZE: 0.16 ACRES SECfION 4.020 D BOB JOY, PRESENT STAFF INPUT Notes from Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner (attached) MR. ROBERTS-This was approved by t~ County Planning Board. Do we have some here to speak on behalf of this application? MR. JOY-Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Bob Joy. 11m an architect from Glens Falls and I have some photos that I'll pass around showing existing construction and the shoreline. Floyd Rourke, the applicant, is also here and he'd be happy to answer any questions. So, let me just give these to Jim. I know you've got a lot on your agenda. So, in the interest of brevity, I'll just comment that there are no planned changes to contours, to the shoreline or to the existing construction whatsoever. Simply a seasonal metal section dock that would be added, meeting the requirements and setbacks of the Ordinance. MR. ROBERTS-Okay, do any of the Board members have any burning questions about this? Let me open the public hearing. PUBLIC: BEAH.ING OPENED NO OOMMENT PUBLIC: BEAH.ING CLOSED MR. ROBERTS-This seems like a pretty cut and dry project. If there are no ot her questions from the Board, I'll entertain a motion. MR. CAlMANO-I have a question before you go any furt~r, Mr. Chairman. We have two applications which are essentially the same. Do we have to go through a SEQRA Review. MR. ROBERTS-No, neit~r of them require it. MR. BAKER-Both are Type II actions. MR. CAlMANO-I withdraw that. I was going to try to do them both to~ther. MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 52-90 ROBERT JOY AND ASSOC., Introduced by Nicholas Caimano who moved for its adoption, seconded by Carol Pulver: 1 ~ For addition of a seasonal metal section dock for Floyd H. Rourke's property on Glen Lake Road, north side. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE SITE PLAN NO. 53-90 TYPE II WI-lA ROBERT JOY AND ASSOC. OWNER: FLOYD H. ROURKE FITZGERALD ROAD, SOUTH SIDE OF GLEN LAKE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DOCK; CONSTRUCTION OF A SCREENED PORœ; CONVERSION OF ENCLOSED PORŒ. (WARREN COUNTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 41-130 & 31 LOT SIZE: 0.88 ACRES SECTIŒ 4.020 D BOB JOY, PRESENT STAFF INPUT Notes from Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner (attached) MR. ROBERTS-Again, this was approved by the County. MR. JOY-For the taped record, I'm still Bob Joy, Robert Joy and Associates, representing Floyd H. Rourke. They're are actually three issues here. As you can see from the photos we've passed around, the U-shaped dock that we proposed to build is in a natural or man-made retaining area that has existed for many, many years and, rather than have the present dock stick out as far as it goes, we're taking advantage of the natural harbor that I s there. Related to that, however, because of the shoreline's inset, if you'll notice the 75 foot shoreline setback, which is shown on drawing SC-l, t he existing house and porch lie wit hin that 75 foot setback and the reason we have shown those, as well as the screen porch, is t hit Article 9 of your Ordinance, regarding nonconforming uses and structures, says that existing nonconforming structures may not be altered without site plan review and that's why thitls there. So, I think there is I think there is a planning issue there and we would your consent and approval of t hat part of it as well. As we've drawn it and as we have measured it, to the accuracy of the surveYoothe screen porch, the third portion of that, lies just beyond the 75 foot setback, but is, in fact, attached to an existing shed which is within the 75 foot setback. So, I guess that's a judgement call, whether you need to review that or not. We've shown it all and I think we I d rather be safe, in this case, and put them all in one application. MR. CARTIER-Since you brought it up, isn I t that, expansion of a nonconforming use, is that subject to Zoning Board approval? MR. JOY-No, conversion of an existing portion, existing combination, is not an expansion and we are not changing this to a year round residence because the water and sewer are still not.. MR. CARTIER-Okay, good. MR. ROBERT-The new dock t hit's there, is that going to be part of your new dock, the dock that exists? MR. JOY-No, the dock t hit exists there now is the one we just moved across the Lake in the previous application, the metal section dock. So, we're replacing in this proposal with a new, U-shaped, permanently constructed, wood dock. MRS. PULVER-They're taking the dock that's there and putting it on another piece of property and then they're going to build a new dock. MR. ROBERTS-Today, it seems like a..part of a dock that's not a problem. Do we have any serious questions? Let me open the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED NO OOMMENT PUBLIC BEARING CLOSED MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 53-90 ROBERT JOY AND ASSOC., In troduced by Peter Cartier who moved for its adoption, seconded by Nicholas Caimano: 2 '--" - For construction of a new dock; construction of a screened porch; enclosed porch on the Floyd H. Rourke property on Fitzgerald Road. is in compliance with all the appropriate Ordinances. conversion of The Site Plan Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr., Hagan, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE SITE PLAN NO. 55-90 TYPE: UNLISTED BC-lA GUIDO PASSARELLI OWNER: SAME AS ABOVE ROUTE 9, AT THE LOCATION OF THE MOUNT ROYAL MorEL FOR A JmTAIL SHOPPING CENTER 45,800 SQ. FT. DEMOLITIŒ OF EXISTING STJWCTURES AND CONSTRDCTlœ OF A SHOPPING CENTER WITH PARKING. (WARREN COUNTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 70-1-9 Lor SIZE: 5.25 ACRES SECllœ 4.020 (K) JIM MILLER, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT STAFF INPUT Notes from Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner (attached) MR. ROBERTS-We also have a letter from the Volun teer Fire Company. Would you care to address that, Stu? MR. BAKER-That should be read into the record. There are a couple of concerns in there that should be heard. (Letter from Brian LaFlure, Chief, Queensbury Central Fire, to John Goralski, Town Planning Department, dated July 23rd, 1990, was read and is attached) MR. ROBERTS-As you already men tioned, t he Citizens Advisory Committee on Access for the Handicapped has poin ted out the need for eight feet between their spots. The Queensbury Beautification Committee approved. MR. CAlMANO-With comment. MR. BAKER-Actually, I believe it's meant to be a disapproval, in that, they haven't reviewed the project yet. I know it is marked as approval, but, the way it reads is a disapproval. MR. ROBERTS-Well, let's keep t hit in the backs of our minds and the letter from Fire Marshal Bodenwiser, we've already touched on that, I guess. MR. BAKER-Yes, in the letter he discusses the clearance he would like to see in t he service road. MR. ROBERTS-How closely did the Fire Company agree with t he Fire Marshal? MR. BAKER-Well, the Fire Marshal didn't really state the width of the road he wants. He just stated the clearance that he needs, where the Chief of the Queensbury Central Fire Department was talking about road widths he would like to see to provide that clearance. MR. CARTIER-Well, we're talking two differen t things, here. We're talking road width and we're talking clearance. MR. BAKER-Well, wider road width will provide better clearance, as well. MR. CARTIER-I assume he means clearance to building, correct? In ot her words, What I'm saying is, I don't think there's any disagreement between the Fire Company and the Fire Marshal. MR. BAKER-No. MR. CARTIER-One' s talking about it in terms of road width and the other one's talking about it in terms of minimum clearance. MR. YARMOWICH-Accessibility would refer to road width. I believe the accessibility comment refers to the road width for vehicular movement. Clearances refers to the space available between the building and the vehicle. 3 .......... MR. ROBERTS-Warren County Planning Board approved with a comment: "With the conditions that an exit or entrance is opposite Kendrick Road and the Queensbury Beautification Committee approves the project." We have some engineering comments, as well. ENGINEER. REPORT Notes from Tom Yarmowich, Town Engineer (attached) MR. ROBERTS-Is the applicant in receipt of all these comments? Do we have somebody to represent the applicant? MR. MILLER-Good evening. I'm Jim Miller from Northfield Design Architects, representing the owner of this project. I'd like to talk a little bit about the look of the building, what we're trying to accomplish, as far as the effects on Route 9. .The building we're looking at would be a ne O"'"classical type of structure. Basically, the side work would be a syn thetic stucco stone material which has aoocolor. In looking at it, the colors would be moreoothan what's shown there. Along the length of t he building, t here would be entrances which would correspond with the handicapped locations and that would allow pedestrians to enter from the parking lot into the covered walkway area. Across the whole fron t of the building would be a lO foot wide covered walkway and that would give protection from t he elements. The entrances would be a four locations. This en trance type structure would have. .glass. .and a colonnade at the left to set it apart from the rest of the walkway system. The new structure would be a syn the tic , slate like material without the look of slate. In front of the walkway, with the exception of the areas where the en trances are, would be a five foot wide planter that would have small trees and plantings. The building itself will be one story. It will be sprinklered. The whole construction will be noncombustible. By New York State Building Code, it was designed around access three sides of the project, the front two sides that face on Route 9 and.. As far as water leaving the roof structure, it woul d only be a 10 foot wide roof. The water would come off of it into the planter area. The rest of the roof area, Which is 60 foot wide, ~uld be drained by interior roof drains, which we feel are the best solution because it won I t freeze up and that would be a flat roof across the 60 foot widt h of the building. I think the point should be made that it will be a very well landscaped building. We're trying to accomplish that, at the building itself, with the planter, and then, wen we get to the landscape plan, youlll see that there's a great deal of effort put into landscaping along the highway. The planters will be of brick material and that will act as a counter point for the stucco. What we're trying to accomplish is a crisp, clean look to the building and the introduction of a subtle color to it. We feel it will have a very stylized appearance and it will be something unique to the Glens Falls area. At this time, I'd like to introduced Joe Sporko, from the LA Group, who are the site engineers and landscape architects for the project. JOE SPORKO MR. SPORKO-Good evening. I'm Joe Sporko, the Landscape Architect, and our firm is responsible for designing the site engineering and landscape architecture for the building. I'd like to go over just some facts and figures on the project. 11m going to put two boards up here, one colored, so it I S easier for everyone to see and the other one is our technical sheets that we have submitted with our site plan submission. First, I'd like to just run through the existing site so everyone I s aware of What's there now. The site is five and a quarter acres and it's the site of the existing Moun t Royal Motel, which is an existing operation motel which lies right here. There I s an existing, vacant restaurant on t he site and an existing parking lot and some. .in the rear, as well as a pool and an out building. All t hit would be demolished and we are proposing a shopping center consisting of 25,800 square feet, gross feasible area. The center will consist of, approximately, 20 stores. They'll be small, retail, specialty type shops. I'll go over some facts and figures on the actual site plan. The setbacks from Route 9 are 65 feet, 50 feet adjacent to the residential zone, the MR-5 zone on the rear. Also, there's an existing paper street called Pine Drive. Right now, it's just a wooded area. The setbacks are in excess of the allowed side setbacks. The building's height, proposed, is 34 feet and the impervious area in that is 30.2 percent. Our parking is in conformance with the site plan regulations, based on 5.5 spaces per 1,000 square feet, for a total for 252 spaces. The handicapped spaces, we are showing lO handicapped spaces and we will increase the size of the spaces as the new regulations call for. MR. CARTIER-What does that do to your number of your parking spaces? 4 "-"" MR. SPORKO-Well, I think that we could, we're showing a space that is 13 feet wide. So, what we have to do is, we'll have to shift the parking down and keep the same number of spaces. We may have to accommod ate a few additional spaces, possibly over in this area right here. MR. CARTIER-Green area? MR. SPORKO-Yes. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MR. SPORKO-So, it may, it's going to effect the design slightly. MR. ROBERTS-It might do that because, as I understand it, the green area is marginal, at best, and we start talking about this roadway access and we may be shrinking this building. MR. SPORKO-Thatls true. MR. ROBERTS-We may be getting the cart before the horse. MR. SPORKO-I understand, okay. The maximum allowed density ~uld be 12,000 square feet per acre. What is proposed is 8,327 square feet per acre. Just to go over the site plan itself, the entrance is proposed to go on the nort hern side, right here, to be an entrance only. The exit is proposed over on this side and that would be an exit only. Each entrance and exit would be properly signed. The entrance sign is shown, right here, at the entry. There's a service drive proposed right at the back side perimeter of the building. In addition, this is a drainage and utilities plan. 1111 quickly run through that. The drainage from the development will be accommodated totally on site through the use of catch basins, profrated pipe, and stormwater retention areas and drywells. The site is very sandy. The test. .encountered at l2 feet of sand with no groundwater with a fast percolation rate. The stormwater retention areas are located this first. .site. The drainage from the paved areas will be directed into catch basins, as I said, through the profrated pipe, into the drywell and there'll be areas for stormwater back up as well. There are six areas proposed for stormwater retention. The sanitary sewage will be handled on site. We have proposed a system of seepage pits, a total of seven seepage pits, located in the front. We chose to take the sewage on to the front with the idea that, possibly, a tie in to a future system on Route 9 would occur. The water is a 12 inch main running along Route 9 and we'll be tying into that, as well. Lastly, I'll just run through is the planting plan and we I ve shown a number of trees throughout the development. I'd like to mention that, along the sout hern bound ary, there's an existing stand of trees that was mentioned in the review letters, t hit stand will be kept in place. The trees are largely on the adjacent property, but that anyt hing on this side of the property was to be kept. In addition to that, t here I s a row of arbivitaes proposed along this edge, right here. There is a stand of trees along this edge that will be kept in place, also. This is a very high stand of existing ~ods that we're going to keep as many of the trees as possible along t his side and, as Jim said, landscape, he felt the design was very important. So, we've established a number of trees and shrubs, throughout the parking lot, t hit's in excess of the required number of trees specified in the Zoning Law. We have just received the review letters today, so we really, we're not really prepared to respond to all the elements that are in there. We realize that there are some considerations in there and we have read through the comments and listened to the comments tonight and we feel that most of the comments are brief comments. The comments regarding sanitary sewage will be addressed when we are applying for New York State 00 Conservation , SPDES Permit. So, those will be addressed and, also, I want to men tion that a traffic study is, currently, underway and we just haven't finished it, yet. We've been in touch with Department of Transportation Officials and that is under way. So, comments regarding that we are considering as well and I think that concludes my presentation. Jim, are there any further comments you want to make? MR. MILLER-The only comment I'd like to make is about the access road around the back. The stores that we are anticipating are going to be somewheres between 1,000 to, maybe 2,000 square feet, each. The type of delivery truck we're anticipating would be more of a delivery van type, not a semi tractor tractor trailer type variety and that's what we designed our radiuses around. In terms of fire apparatus, we meeting New York State code, as far as the square footage or access on three sides of the building. I don't think we're required, by thit 5 '~ -..-/ code, to have fire apparatus to go around the back, itls a 60 foot deep building. We're certainly willing to talk with the Town Fire Marshal on his comments on what he may want to do, as far as fire protection and the other part is that the building is noncombustible construction and it will be totally sprinkled. MR. ROBERTS-Well, we're sure glad to hear the totally sprinkled part. I do have the feeling that there are quite a number of questions that our Staff and Engineers have addressed here that will probably send this into a second review with out much question. Well, let me digress. You would like us to make our approvals, I think, subject to SPDES Permit, the way you were talking. Welve been burned doing that before and I question whether we will do that again. We'd like to know more about, I think, like our own engineer knows the SPDES requirements pretty well, to be pretty comfortable before, I would think, we proceed with this very much further. Am lout in left field on this? I know we've had, this was quite a while ago, were we lost control of our project, let SPDES redesign it and it didn't work for anybody and I donlt think we want that to happen again. Aren't there a number of things that you would like to see, before this goes a whole lot farther? MR. YARMOWICH-Yes, we would. We would like to see the applicant address those comments about the SPDES Permit and the sewage disposal systems. MR. CAlMANO-Can we ask the easy question first? There's some this area is square footed out, as far as retail is concerned. t his and what are your plans. Do you have tenants signed up? standpoint, What's the need for this? consideration that Why are you doing From an economic MR. MILLER-I would say t hit the owner has looked at the market and feels there is a need for stores of the mom and pop variety, the news stand, the bakery, the general convenience type stores. I tend to agree with you, in terms of, outlet stores and that sort of thing. This is, again, just a general convenience and I think, as the population grows, t he number of convenience outlets have to grow to service that population. I think with the dramatic rise in population you've had, t hit shows, in the market study at least, t hit there's a need for stores to support that population. MR. CAlMANO-Do you have contracts signed, yet, with your tenants? AL CERANO MR. CERANO-My name is Al Cerano and I'm involved with Guido Passarelli in the subdivision. Yes, there are some inquiries on some smaller square footage. Basically, What's happening, in this area, there are no small square footage stores, everything's like 2,000 and up and what hels trying to do is cater to the smaller square footage smaller, mom and pop stores. MR. ROBERTS-You seem to be orienting it a little more toward the neighborhood convenience. I wonder if that's an area where, neighborhood commercial zone. What am I trying to think of? What's the neighborhood? MR. CARTIER-Highway Commercial? MR. ROBERTS-No, neighborhood. MR. CARTIER-Neighborhood Commercial. MR. ROBERTS-Oriented to serving many stores that would serve the needs of the local people in a suburban area. This is not, a suburban area and they're pretty close to some pretty sophisticated, large markets. MR. HAGAN-On a very busy highway. MR. ROBERTS-Yes, too, youlre across the street from. .but it's not too far from some of the largest markets in the world, frankly. MR. CAlMANO-Although, the convenience store down the road, there, on the entrance to, gets big play. Itls heavily trafficked. Itls heavily played. It's on a different side of the road, however. MR. ROBERTS-Yes, I'm not sure if it's this Board's job to argue a marketing studies, to tell you the trut h. Although, I think that's a fair question to ask because none of us want to see a..store. I'm sure you don't either. 6 '--' -./ MR. CARTIER-Well, I think that may bE: somewhat self correcting, here, bE:causE:', again, we havE: to utter the dreaded words, your going to have to shrink the building in order to reach permeability and start widE:ning out the entrance and E:xits. This building just isn't going to fly with this sizE:. So, that's going to bE: somewhat..to. 11m not saying thE:rE:'s going to be dramatic shrinkage of the building, here, but almost all of thesE: comments that have been made by various Staff and firE: suggest to me that you start getting the building down smaller so you can incorporate all of these other things that have bE:en addressE:d, herE:. MR. ROBERTS-I wonder, also, could we ask you if you've given thought to the suggestion by County the northern entrance be oppositE: Kendrick Road. Does that makE: sense to you. MR. MILLER-That is onE: of thE: situations ~'re looking at. I guess, in dE:aling with DOT, we I rE: trying to get a handlE: on what thE:y'rE: plans arE: for that whole ..ThE: problem we'rE: faced with, as you're probably all awarE: is, therE: arE:n't many lights along that stretch and the cars have a tendency to pick up spE:ed through thE:rE:. It's prE:tty much from thE: Great Escape all the way down to ZayrE:'s, therE:'s no lights. So, what we're trying to gE:t a fE:el from DOT is if they arE: looking at that hardE:r and how they are going to control thE: regulation of speed. TherE:'s a second problE:m that's not so much E:ven spE:ed, but that thE: cars aren't rE:leased in an increment or a bunch. They tE:nd to be spread out and all traveling at a fast rate. So, ~'re dealing with DOT and our study should reflE:ct they'rE: commE:nts. MR. CAlMANO-Who's curb cuts are they? MR. BAKER-Those are DOT. MR. MILLER-The curb cuts are there already. We'rE: utilizing thE: existing curb cuts. MR. CAlMANO-WE:ll, 11m saying, you move the curb cuts to KE:ndrick and it I S thE: StatE:ls responsibility. ThE:y'd have to approve that. MR. BAKER-Right, they ~uld need to gE:t a StatE: Curb Cut Permit to do that. MR. ROBERTS-Well, lE:t's assume your projE:ct is hugE:ly successful, that would crE:ate more and more traffic, not just for yourself, but for othE:r pe ople, too. You'd nE:E:d a light somewhere in that area. MR. MILLER-Well, again, t hit would pretty much comE: from thE: Master Plan, what the State has in mind for it. Kendrick bE:ing an intersE:ction, maybE: a 10 gical place for it, but what we want to find out is if thE: State has lookE:d at that and if they have suggestions. MR. CARTIER-I'd like to know what the rationalE: is, on Warren County, becausE: you'rE: crE:ating another 90 dE:gree intersE:ction on a major road, if you do that. 11m not a traffic E:ngineer, but, somE: how, I don It likE: the idE:a of this. MR. CAlMANO-But you'rE: going to havE: a morE: orderly flow of traffic. MR. CARTIER-If you havE: a right hand..90 dE:grE:e intersection? MR. ROBERTS-It's probably better than having another curb cut just 200 feet away. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MR. BAKER-Yes, I think they're concE:rnE:d about traffic safE:ty of people taking a right off KE:ndrick and then attE:mpting to take an immE:diate left into thE: plaza. MR. CARTIER-And now t æy' rE: going straight across. MR. CAlMANO-I think the main problem is, Jim's wondering about thE: State's Master Plan for the traffic on RoutE: 9. MR. MILLER-11m sure thE: same question comE:S up with every dE:velopment that's kind of pieced into the total. .We are taking an E:ffort to contact DOT directly and actually start that, we had asked for a traffic study. ThE: one thing that we havE: going for us, howevE:r, is that therE: is a turning median there. So, in 7 '---' '-/ essence, there's three lanes. There's a center, turning lane, which does he lp us out with cars that are north bound making a left hand turn in. We still are faced with the problem of cars making a left hand turn out of our project, before they had to cross one lane to get all the way across and thatls our major concern, but our traffic counts and our data..give us the answer. MR. CARTIER-Yes, one of the things we've done up in that area is had signs ooNo Left Turn..customers..that does increase traffic safety in that area. MRS. PULVER-I have a question about, you said, 1,000 square feet for each store. Does that mean there's going to be about 45 stores? MR. MILLER-They should average between 1,000 to 2,000, that's the market. MRS. PULVER-Approximately, how many stores? MR. MILLER-Welre figuring around 25 stores. MRS. PULVER-Twenty five stores? MR. MILLER-Twenty five. Based on that, we're figuring one toilet room for employees in each of those stores and, probably, on the average, two or three employees per store, that would depend on the type of operation. Where a clothing store may just have one, a bakery may have two or three. It is a dilemma for uS because we don't have signed leases, at this point, but, to be honest with you, the store may change once the next lease is up, anyway. MR. CARTIER-Do those parking numbers that you gave us take into account employee parking, also? MR. MILLER-Yes, it's based on your Ordinance, 5.5 per 1,000 square feet. MR. ROBERTS-Let me open the public hearing. PUBLIC HEABlNG OPENED DAN HARRIS MR. HARRIS-My name is Dan Harris and I own the Sunset Motel, Which is the property to the south. If I could just use this drawing. There's a little bit of a problem occurring, right now, in that area, a pedestrian problem which they mentioned. Right now, all the kids kind of go to Skateland and up the road, t hey usually are cutting through the center of Mount Royal's property and the center of my property and staying off Route 9 because there's no access for them out there. So, that's a real problem with kids. So, What happens, my driveway ~uld run right off the edge of this 75 foot building line. The kids are going to come right up my driveway and cut right up into his plaza, here, and, if he's going to put 25 stores in, I'm sure he's going to attract a lot more people and I donlt want that liability with people cutting across my yard. What I would like to do, I'd be willing to put a stone sidewalk type area, like they have up at the Outlets, across the front of my property to keep the pe ople out by t he road and then, I guess, he'd have to, somehow, accommodate just a little entranceway, there, to bring the pedestrian traffic in because, as I say, right, now, it's a real problem. They do, cars along that road do move pretty quick and there is just no place for the kids to go. So, t hit I S a real concern for me. The other thing is, my Hotel is a front back hotel, two sided, and out back, in the wooded area, people picnic and things like that out there and, watts going to happen, I'm going to have the unattractive side of this building. It's very nice out front, but I'm going to have to cope with the problem over here and what he's showing, right here, is an old roadway which goes between the two motels, a service way or whatever and there's, kind of, no trees really, right there. So, I guess, I would kind of ask for is some taller trees to kind of fill in the gap, there and then, on these trees, here, wich naturally divide the two properties, they don I t run that deep, but, once you get about mid way to the proposed building, it I S pretty thin back in here and if you're going to cut down to just a narrow, say, maybe that's five or ten feet, you're pretty tight on the property, there. So, I'm really going to have no buffer between my picnic area and the back of your building. So, I don't know how far back the trees. .on the new trees, but I'd kind of like to see the buffer around the full length of this building to preserve my backyard and picnic area from the back side of the project. I would have no problem in planting along my side to fill, here, but I would just need some cooperation from the Mount Royal side, over there which I don't think would 8 r' ---' be a big deal. Oth~r than that, as far as the traffic, I own~d th~ Mount Royal from 1982 until about '88 and we had on~ entranc~ into the plac~ and I don't think we ever had an accid~nt there, coming in or out. Traffic may have increased, now, but I don't recall any, we'v~ been lucky, probably, but I don It recall ev~r having an accident out front, for what it's worth and we only had one entrance and, at Suns~t, which would b~, my entrance is at the far ~nd, I hav~ two op~nings and, I g~t a lot of turn arounds th~re, but I don I t think w~ 've had accidents th~re, ~ith~r. Apple Annie's, across th~ street, has had a couple of problems, but that maybe drink related, I don It know, but, as far as getting in or out, there hasn't really b~~n a major probl~m, y~t, but, of course, there's going to be a lot more flow, here. And my last conc~rn, I guess, would be, th~ trees are nice and ev~rything, th~ road kind of curves right here and I'm just a little bit concerned with some visibilities and my sign. With Queensbury's Ordinances and signs being smaller, the cars going by at 40 miles an hour, I want to try to g~t as much exposure to my sign as those cars are going by. So, I don't know how tall th~se tr~es are and what the site distanc~ is going to end up, but 11m just a little conc~rned with that and thatls all my comments. MR. ROBERTS-Those don't seem like unreasonabl~ comments. I wond~r if going out on th~ sidewalk, is there any talk about sidewalks through this prop~rty, as well, heading north or are we ov~rdoing it with that? I know we tried to get people up in the Miracl~ Half Mile to do that with som~ succ~ss. Is that something that might be to ~v~rybody's advantag~ to consid~r in front of your property? MR. CARTIER-I think, speaking for mys~lf, I think so. I think, it makes s~ns~ to m~, along this strip up here ~ should requir~ sidewalks becaus~ of the. .of Mr. Harris. A lot of..and th~re is already.. MR. KUPILLAS-I think it would b~ a benefit, for a proj~ct such as this, to have a limit~d p~rm~able area and a limited gr~~n..sid~walks..that ar~ prop~rly don~ and gre~n is encouraging an applicant to us~ th~m and not turn around in t~n minut~s and say, this is a non-perm~able area and youl re barely at your l~vel now, but just as an ov~rall comment, I would think it would be a good encouragem~nt if we, som~how could count them in as an area. MR. ROBERTS-An int~resting thought. MR. CARTIER-The only time youl re going to run into that, is a situation like this wher~ the building is max~d out on the prop~rty. MR. KUPILLAS-But I'm saying, thos~ prior comment s of yours, aren' t th~y saying, ov~rall, we need to encouragê peopl~ to do this. MR. CAlMANO-What do you think of that? MR. MILLER-Listening to your comm~nts, I think it rais~s two questions. On~ is th~ peopl~ walking along th~ street who ar~ coming to th~ project and how w~ accommodat~ th~ p~d~strian into th~ project. The second is, the people who ar~ walking ~ the project to another d~stination, be it the skating rink or th~ movi~s. It s~~ms to me, we've pretty much accomplished th~ circulation along the front of our building with the people on the site. Perhaps a walk or a pathway, ~ven a grav~l typ~ situation that would b~ p~rmeabl~ along the property line along Rout~ 9, maybe hold it back lO feet or 15 feet off the road, ~uld accomplish this ped~strian movement along th~ road there. I know if I had a child in th~ area, I'd want him to be back, a little bit, away from that road. As I m~ntion~d, th~ cars usually get a head of st~am up and, ~specially in th~ ev~ning. If they could even be backed with the advantag~ of som~ of our planting b~twe~n them and th~ roadways. MR. CAlMANO-But, to the applicant. \\hat Mr. Kupillas is saying, though, is som~ kind of a credit Would that b~ an incentive for you to put a sidewalk in? MR. CARTIER-Well, if it is a crush~d stone gravel thing and we're not talking about compacting the land in the parking land, that do~s t~nd to stay. S~condly, I think it does something for you, in terms of liability. Youlr~ moving ped~strian traffic out of your parking lot,..t he owner would not want to have, unl~ss they wer~ coming to the store. MR. MILLER-The other part of it is, it may. allow some of the moms out th~r~ to allow th~ir child to walk h~re and buy something at our new outlet. MR. CAlMANO-As far as Mr. Harris's comment about th~ traffic, I think, drinking asid~, Apple Anni~'s is more the type of traffic they ~uld have. It's r~tail, constantly turning traffic, as oppos~d to a mot~l where there's less going on, I would guess. 9 '~ MR. BAKER-Mr. Chairman, I'd like to clarify a couple of points for the Board and for the public, one on the curb cuts. Their site plan for the existing conditions, which is also the survey map that VanDusen and Steves, it shows existing curb cuts. They are going to be putting in new curb cuts and, apparently, doing away with the existing ones and, also, just so the applicant's consultant does know, for the Town permeability calculations, we do not consider gravel area, be it parking or walkway, as permeable, for our green area calculations, just so you know. MR. MILLER-Yes, we didn't depend on that in our.. MR. BAKER-Right, but as you consider putting in a gravel walkway, it's something to note. MR. ROBERTS-Is there anyone else from the audience who cares to comment on this project? SCOTT HA TZ MR. HATZ-My name is Scott Hatz. I'm with the law firm of McPhillips, Fitzgerald and Meyer. I'm here on behalf of Turnpike Enterprises Incorporated which owns the parcel directly behind the proposed shopping center, on which they operate the Glen Drive in. First of all, my client has no opposition to the proposal, per se, but we have a very real concern and would like to see it addressed right up front, on the lighting that the proposed shopping center is going to generate because it could have a very adverse effect on viewing the two screens there. In particular, on the northerly, back portion, it's much thinner than some of the southerly portions in the back and you can stand in what is now the vacant parking lot and see quite a bit of the screen facing Route 9 and ~ have some very real concerns about the type of lighting and what precautions and safety measures can be taken to assure that it's not going to effect my client's business which has been there since 1958. ~ had, When the Cumberland Farms went in, there was a problem for a time with one of their lights producing a glare right on the screen, that was able to be corrected with the cooperation of Cumberland Farms and re- angling the light, but, in my opinion, a proposal of this size is going to generate a lot more lots and I would assume they're going to be open until 9 or 9: 30. I don't know what hours they're proposing to operate, wich would be right in the times when the screens are in operation. So, we would like to see some kind of studies or something to show how these lights can be screened from effecting the drive in business. MR. ROBERTS-The back of the building (TAPED TURNED) we could be talking about lights and it's effect for security. MR. MILLER-I don't think there'd be a problem with the back of the building, per se. I think the concern would revolve around the general illumination of the parking lot. we ~re trying to address the lighting in two ways. One would be to light the walkway from above, wich I don't believe would effect the property behind because you have the whole building between you and there. The general lighting of the parking lot would MR. ROBERTS-Are you talking about a walkway behind the building, as well? MR. MILLER-No, in the front. MR. ROBERTS-In the front, okay. MR. MILLER-What I'm saying is that weld like the walkway, here. Then it probably won't effect those behind here because those behind here because you'd have the whole building to.. We ~re talking about pole lights, out here, to.. two or three foot..in the parking lot, Which is a minimum. We can look at that and how they're directed and what ~ have to do it. .out a pattern that creates a safe environment that creates a safe environment for people on our site. Certainly, \\e can look at that, in terms of, how it effects the adjacent sites. ~'re paying the electric bill. Of course, \Ie want to keep the light, right here, on the parking. MR. CAlMANO-Do you have tentative hours of operation? MR. CERANO-9 or 9:30. MR. CAlMANO-Well, it's a valid concern. 10 '''--' ~ MR. CARTIER-But you can control that lighting. it's controlled? The way the lighting is set up, MR. MILLER-I would say..registêr that concern, we could addrêss it. MR. ROBERTS-Anything elsê? MR. MILLER-No, just that we can address the lighting concern and make sure it dOêsn't effêct our nêighbors. MR. ROBERTS-Okay, thank you. Anyonê êlsê in the audiênce? BARB HASKELL MRS. HASKELL-I'm Barb Haskell from Downeast Realty and I'll be doing thê markêting. I just want to say that we' Vê had a lot of inquiriês from spêcialty shops, onê of wom who wants 4,000 square fêêt, we couldn't, of courSê, go to lêases until Wê knew this was going to be a reality. So, there I s a lot of interest thêre and it I S not mom and pop type businessês. It's somêthing that I think will gêt a lot of praisê, that will make Queênsbury proud and they would not be opên aftêr 9:30 at night. MR. ROBERTS-I don't think we'd have to hold them to mom and pop stores. Okay, thank you. Anyone êlse? Well, it would appear that Staff and our Engineêrs and neighbors have given the applicant somê things to, maybê, go back to the drawing board on. Do you agree that, pêrhaps, ~ ought to work up a list of things to be addrêssed and agreê to tablê this for more information to gêt this more rêfined and comê back again? I guess what we could really do to hêlp me a little bit is rêiterate some of the things we discussêd. . something else that hasn't already bêên mentioned. MR. CAlMANO-Well, I think the letters pretty much speak for themsêlves. I think thosê Wêre going to be addressêd plus the conCêrns of Mr. Harris and concerns of Glen Drivê In, which the applicant has said hê' s going to take carê of. I think you could simply ênter thesê into the motion, plus thosê two and work with the Staff. MR. ROBERTS-I would suggêst that, pêrhaps, preliminary, now, to gêt into SEQRA until we know more than what we know now? MR. CAlMANO-Yês, I think so. MR. BAKER-Thêre should be some design changes. MR. ROBERTS-Yes, I think thêre are dêsign changes..thê building. MR. CARTIER-Just to clarify what you're saying, I we I re saying to the applicant, youlve got to address all of these things that have been brought up by Staff? MR. ROBERTS-Right. Thêre maybê somê things ~ haven't thought about. Our list is not necêssarily complete. MR. BAKER-Onê question I do have for the applicant's consultant is, is therê security lighting proposed for the rear of thê building? MR. MILLER-If there'd be lighting, it would bê of a vêry low intensity, perhaps, maybe a light at each door or somêthing likê that, but the gênêral idêa is that thê dêliveries would probably be during working hours and the back of the building is gPing to be a very blank sort of thing. MR. BAKER-Right. MR. MILLER-A series of back doors into each of the stores. MR. BAKER-What I would requêst is that you just show the location of security lighting on thê back as ~ll as the design of the lighting, so we do have it on thê plans. MR. MILLER-You would require that at the Building Permit time? MR. BAKER-Well, it should shown on thê sitê plan. 11 "---' ---/ MR. CAlMANO-Well, the comment you made, though, is kind of unfair. I don't mean to take you to task, but I don I t think the applicant should leave here tonight without knowing why we tabled and what he has to do. I don't think it's fair for the applicant to go away from here thinking that there are some things left unsaid and I guess I'd like the applicant to sit with the Staff and go over these things, so that there aren't any surprises next time and we can wrap it up, right? MR. BAKER-Certainly. Yes, WB have met with the applicant prior to their submission and we'd be more than willing to meet with him again, to go over the details. MR. ROBERTS-I think we do want to give a lot of thought to buffering from the neighbors across from you, to the north which would help you, as well, with this lighting situation. Right now you have quite a lot of trees back there and maybe you can save yourself some trouble by going..cutting all those. MR. MILLER-Yes, I think, to address that comment, we're going to leave every tree we can and, as a matter of fact, it's our intent, there's a lot of very nice cedar hedges there, on the site. We're going to try to transplant those as best we can, to be used on the site. I think we're almost, our planting..is almost double what the Town asks for in their schedule. So, I would like to express that, that we are trying to do a nice landscaped facility. MR. ROBERTS-But you did not appear before the Beautification Committee yet, right? MR. MILLER-No. MR. ROBERTS-I think that's something we also would like. Well, if you would agree with us that we need to table this, then we can make a motion. Maybe I better leave the public hearing open since we will look at this again. MR. CAlMANO-The other thing I was going to say, before you make a motion to table it is that I think Mr. Cartier and myself and several others have suggested, from time to time, ~en arguments come up, as to the fact that the neighbors get together and settle their arguments themselves. My suggestion to you is that you keep in constant contact with Mr. Harris and with the Drive In and let them know, obviously, you've been very cooperative, so keep that going. MR. ROBERTS-Anyt hing else. MR. CARTIER-Do we need a specific tabling date? MR. BAKER-No, as long as they get new information in by the submission deadline before the month they'd like to be back before the Board. MR. CARTIER-So, their subject to submission dates? MR. ROBERTS-Yes, I think they would be subject to our normal submission dates which is the, next Wednesday, is that when it is, thatls to get on next month's agenda. MR. CAlMANO-Is the August agenda full? MR. BAKER-At this point, it is not. All applications that have been received have not been reviewed for completeness, but itls pretty much.. MR. ROBERTS-I guess it's on a first come, first serve. I think it's going to be up to the applicant whether he can get on the August agenda or not. This is a pretty good sized project for uS to try to look at quickly. I think we're ready for a motion to table. BOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 55-90 GUIDO PASSARELLI, Introduced by Peter Cartier who moved for its adoption, seconded by Carol Pulver: Tabled with the agreement of the applicant, in order for the applicant to address all the concerns raised by various Staff members and also concerns raised by neighbors to the south and to the rear of the property. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupillas, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE l2 '--" -..-/ SITE PLAN NO.. 56-90 'nPE: œLISTED LI-3A AlmRON INDTII5TtiAL COBB.. OWD: SAME AS AB<DJVE wœTW LINE lOAD 145 QtIEENSB1IDRY AVEN1E FOR USE Œ A PORrIŒ Œ TIlE VAUNT LAND FOR SALE OF ~VY EQlDIPMDft.. (aRBEN fOOœTY PLANNINC) TAX MAP NO.. 109-5-3 Lor SIZE: l1T ..39 AcaŒS SEcrrœ 4.020 (N) RICHARD MCLENITHAN, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT STAFF INPUt Notes from John S. Goralski, Planner (attached) MR. ROBERTS-Th~ Queensbury Beautification Committe~ approv~d comm~nts. Perhaps ~ want to look at those a little later. Planning Board approved. with a number of The Warren County MR. MCLENITHAN-Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Richard McLenithan. I am from Hudson Falls and I'm here on behalf of the Corporation and our application does sp~ak to what we want to do and your Staff Comment do, quite frankly, say that the rubber tire vehicles will be displayed on the paved area and that the track vehicles will be displayed on the field, the grassy area. Thos~ are both things that would be understood and would be, as far as ~'re conc~rned, part of any approval. MR. CAlMANO-Are cranes considered part of heavy equipment? MR. MCLENITHAN-As far as I'm concerned they are, yes. MR. CAlMANO-Do you have to get any special approval from the FAAJ.? MR. MCLENITHAN-There is an ~asement out there associated with height and..indicat~ that, to th~ extent that that ~as~ment relates to this,. .dealt with in that ~asem~nt. MR. ROBERTS-W~ll, let me open the public hearing. PUBLIC BEARING OPENED STAN RYMKEWICZ MR. RYMKEWICZ -My name is Stan Rymkewicz. I live on Queensbury Av~nue. I object to the proposal. I speak for the Benways at 141 Queensbury Avenue. Dr. French who was not notified. He owns the property behind 141. I think he's within 500 feet. Three reasons, first of all, ~ live at l45 Queensbury Avenue. The application is for 145 Queensbury Avenue so we're out. .Last year, something like this was submitted and you wer~ told, probably about two years, 1 .again. Thos~ tr~es ~re cut. There was an illegal dump next to my house. The neighborhood is not comfortable. Certain neighbors are not comfortable with what is there now and that was the 27 name petition that we submitted to Montesi last year. The third reason, it does not fit with the area. There's homes to the south of this property. Second, there's, to the north, there's expensive new buildings. Th~ Industrial Park which looks nothing like the recycled pole barn that's there now with three different color roofs, a driveway which is made out of cem~nt, that goes to th~ Town of Kingsbury. The driveway's also made out of concrete and black top which is dumped there daily. To th~ west you have a farm setting and you have an airport and if these three reasons aren't enough, the 27 neighbors feel th~ same. Thank you. MR. CAlMANO-My first question, Stuart, is how did this application get through with the wrong address on it? How was it approved? MR. BAKER-We didn't check the address, obviously. MR. CARTIER-Well, \\Sit a minut~, the only place the address is incorrect is on th~ agenda. On the application, the address is listed as PO Box 225, Glens Falls. MR. ROBERTS-W~ll, at the bottom of the page, it says "Property Location: l45 Queensbury Ave." MR. BAKER-We do check the applications for accuracy, but, obviously, can I t catch everything. 13 ~ -..-'. MR. MCLENITHAN-Well, ~ stand corrected. I think that's a point that's well taken, but I also think it's a point that will be addressed very nicely. We'll make the proper changes. MR. CAlMANO-I was just curious as to how that got in there. MR. HAGAN-If I were a neighbor, Dick, I'd be concerned, too, because we go out and inspect all the sites and if this was not in an area..by homes and businesses a like, that, apparent ly, take pride in their appearance, I wouldn't have an objection, but in this particular area, this site stands out like a sore thumb and I think it would behoove the applicant to, at least, take some action to at least have the site fit in with the neighborhood. MR. MCLENITHAN-I hear your comment. Your comment's well taken, but I think the major point here, this is an allowable use and I think the comments should start from there. As to Mr. Rymkewicz's comments about what happened a year ago, what happened a year ago, happened a year ago. MR. CARTIER-Yes, but a considerable amount of site work has taken place on that property without any kind of application to the Town for that site work. I'm talking about the pole barn building. 11m talking about MR. MCLENITHAN-I'm going to indicate that what happened in the past, happened in the past. I've spent a nice day in the Town of Queensbury Justice Court and we dealed with the reality of the world and the matter is over and done with. We had inspections from all the various departments and the matter, as far as I'm concerned, WlS laid to rest a year ago. We're here, today, a year later, and I'm not aware of any violations. I'm not aware of any concerns. This is an honest application. MR. CARTIER-Laid to rest by whom? MR. MCLENITHAN-The Town Justice, Town Attorney, Town Enforcement Officer. I think that point should be made part of this record. It's important to have. MR. ROBERTS-Is that background information known to the Code Enforcement Officer? MR. BAKER-I can't speak for the Code Enforcement Officer. MR. CAlMANO-It isnlt a matter of a speaking to the Code Enforcement Officer, Stu. It's a matter of coming to this Board and that is a matter of, and, at least from my standpoint, 1111 speak for Nick Caimano, 11m totally unaware of any background that happened a year ago. MR. BAKER-As am I. MS. CORPUS-I'm not. I wasn't here. MR. BAKER-I think what we're dealing with, though, is the application that's before the Board. MR. CAlMANO-You need to understand, also, though that part of this Planning Board function is, in situations like this, to improve situations that are less than ideal and we have the authority to do that. This is not quite as cut and dried as you seem to sug~st it is. MR. MCLENITHAN-I'm not sug~sting it's cut and dried, but I'm also suggesting that we have an approved use. We're asking for, this is site plan approval we're dealing with. MS. CORPUS-Mr. Chairman, I do believe that this application, as well as the others before the Planning Board tonight have passed through the hands of the Zoning Administrator and they do have a chance to look at this and review it for variance requirements or violations or what not and so I do believe that is a common occurrence. MR. CAlMANO-I guess I will ask Stan Rymkewicz, are there, is there anything that could be done to mitigate this, that would make the neighbors happy? I mean, is it a matter of sightlyness, unsightlyness? What is the problem with the neighbors, specifically? MR. RYMKEWICZ -I believe we're afraid there I s going to be another junkyard there. This gentleman was in the junkyard business in Massachusetts. we're just afraid we're going to have a bull bulldozer junk yard there and this doesn't fit in with, like I said, what's north, ~'ve got a few buildings going in. we have homes on the south. 14 '~ -..-/ MR. ROBERTS-We do have a problem, though, with the zoning, right or wrong, apparently, it would allow the use under site plan review and this means we can put some constraints and restrictions and so forth on it. MR. CARTIER-We're not arguing about the use. We're, I don't mean to suggest I am. You're right. It's an allowable use and I want you to understand, \Ie do have the right, as Mr. Roberts is pointing out, to approve this under certain conditions. MR. MCLENITHAN-We understand that. I appreciate that, really. MR. ROBERTS-Is there anyone else in the audience who cares to comment on this project. MRS. PULVER-Are we talking new vehicles, here, or used? MR. MCLENITHAN-No, used vehicles. MRS. PULVER-Used. MR. ROBERTS-Is there a way to put some. .to limit the success of an operation. We've run into this before, in other places, Where something that seemed innocuous and small has gotten out of hand and.. with the neighborhood. Is there some way we can talk, in terms of size of the operation, or re-reviewing it over a years time or something. MR. KUPILLAS-Are these units ready for re-sell or will you be getting them ready? MR. MCLENITHAN-There will not be any major repairs. It's not contemplated that there will be a repair operation there. The answer is that there will be used vehicles that may need, Miatever, some material or some help. There's not going to be repair operations. MR. CARTIER-I want to get that very clear in my mind. We I re talking, a vehicle comes in for sale. Is there going to be cleaning machines to clean it? Are minor repairs going to be done on it? You're representing to us, there's going to be no major overhaul of equipment? MR. MCLENITHAN-That is correct. MR. CARTIER-Okay, is it going to be cleaned and painted, those kinds of operations? MR. MCLENITHAN-Mr. Cartier, it would be my understanding that that work would take place, subcontracted out, watever it is, ~uld be in a shop at a facility that's fit to do that work, brought there for work. MR. CARTIER-Okay, so, WB are talking just, What, sales only? MR. MCLENITHAN-Basically, sales only. MR. CARTIER-well, you scared when you said MR. MCLENITHAN-well, I understand that, but, I mean, if you deal with Caterpillar and you deal with Southworth, if you have a Caterpillar bulldozer over there, you have their fully equipped truck come to the site and make the repair right there. I mean, they have that, so, it's wrong to say that isn't ever going to happen because it could happen, in that sense, but it's not contemplated that therels going to be major repair whatever..take it to wherever's an appropriate spot to do it. Certainly painting, steam cleaning, things like that will not occur. MR. CARTIER-All I'm trying to get a handle on is WB' re talking about sales and, suddenly, this is not going to turn into a heavy equipment repair shop. I understand but that is not, in anyway intended to happen. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MRS. PULVER-What do you think is a reasonable number of pieces of equipment to have there at one time? MR. MCLENITHAN-It's a very large area and the answer is, it could accommodate a lot of area. I. .done a study associated with..lf I gave you a figure, I wouldn't know about, you'd have to take some measurement and get some consideration of spacing and things like that to give you an honest answer. 15 ~ ..- MRS. PULVER-What about parking for tentative customers. MR. MCLENITHAN-Well, there would be access lots up the road and, this is th~ type of thing that isn't going to have so many cars coming in and out. I don I t se~ that as a problem. MRS. PULVER-I was there at the been there. We all walked it. wondering, if a customer com~s park, Wh~re he's not supposed to site. I mean, I'm familiar with the site. I 'v~ I know there's lots of space there. I'm just in, is he going to know where he's suppo sed to park? MR. ROBERTS-How many ~mployees might be. .the parking spaces, I guess we've..a lot of parking. MR. CAlMANO-Let me just r~ad something here, just for everybody's education, I gu~ss, on th~ Board. In making this determination, that is, this determination welre going to be making, the Planning Board shall consid~r those factors pertinent to th~ proj~ct contained in the development considerations set forth hereund~r under Section 5.071 of this Ordinance and in so doing the Planning Board shall make a n~t, overall evaluation of the proj~ct in relation to the developm~nt objectiv~s and g~neral guidelin~s set forth in Section 6.40. 5.071, Development Considerations, says, the following are those factors which relate to potential for adv~rs~ impact on the natural scenic, aesthetic, ecological, wildlife, historic, ~tc., etc., etc. So, there is a wid~ latitude, as said by Mr. Carti~r, giv~n this Planning Board, on the net ov~rall impact of a project and that is under 5.070 d and I am afraid of what happ~n~d on Aviation Road. The applicant cam~ in h~r~ and talked and I believed him and th~ 8 parking spots b~came 27 parking spots and what started out to b~ just a nice littl~ simple repair shop has become som~thing that I don't want in my neighborhood, frankly. I'm also concerned about what's happened on the other ~nd of the Town with anoth~r plac~ lik~ this. MR. ROBERTS-Dix Avenue. MR. CAlMANO-Yes, Dix Avenue, and I don't know how to stop it. Once it's don~, \Ie can't go back and say, it looks lousy. MR. ROBERTS-Or can we? MR. BAKER-If I can, I'd like to make a sug~stion to the Board. The best way to avoid situations such as \oJe I v~ had on Dix Avenue and we've had on Aviation Road, is for the Board to mak~ very sp~cific motions outlining, in as much detail as you would like, Wtat exactly you expect to find on that site. The motion is what the Enforcem~nt Officers, be it the Zoning Administrator or the Building Insp~ctors, use to enforce th~ site plan approval. MR. CAlMANO-All well and good. You and I hav~ had this argum~nt befor~. On Aviation Road, it's v~ry specific in the motion, eight spots. It's drawn on the drawing and we're in court over it because th~y don It believ~ it. It's just, the question is, does this fit in with the rest of th~ character of that area. MR. BAKER-Mr. Caimano, that's why I 'm sug~sting that the Board make as sp~cific a motion as you deem necessary. MR. CARTIER-You have to understand that, Wtat we'r~ talking about, here is an allowed use in a Light Industrial zone and I think what we have to do is come up her~ with this, as Mr. Baker is sug~sting, some very, very strict stipulations on minimizing impact on the neighborhood and I think, perhaps, without having se~n just what was presented to th~ Beautification Committee and, perhaps, som~ comments made by th~ Beautification Committee are going to do that. If I could r~ad just one paragraph, again, out of that: "Th~ applicant has further agre~d to plant shrubs back from the road and approximately betwe~n two fifty foot arrow, a distanc~ of over 100 feet. These shrubs are to be placed a distance of 5 feet on c~nter and can be d~ciduous or ev~rgre~n of: honey suckle, spirea, lilac or such, and can b~ wild variety from the property. Th~ point of the plantings is to scr~en th~ operations from disinterested pass~rsby but still may b~ seen as interested persons proc~eding northerly as th~y pass th~ house and south~rly as they pass the curb cut in the northerly ar~a of th~ prop~rty." I think that's what we're talking about here. MR. CAlMANO-That's som~thing that we could stipulate. 16 '-' --' MRS. PULVER-I don't have a problem with. .allowed use. I would like the applicant to kind of, and I don't want to strangle his business, certainly, by sending night time vehicles there and MR. MCLENITHAN-One of our frustrations,. .one of the frustrations of dealing.. you come up here, youlre very busy, you have a lot to do, and one of the ways of dealing with what you were just talking about is to have the ability to communicate, shall we say, in a room, with the site and the map and being able to, in effect, negotiate a quick thing, in that sense, it IS very hard to do that. Here, it's very difficult. I'm not a technical planner,.. will do that and just one of the things is to be able to deal with your engineer with some authority so that we can accomplish that and everybody, I hope, ~uld be very happy about that. You raised questions, but I don't have the technical background to be able to speak as to whether it's appropriate, not appropriate, watever it might be. Certainly, there's a happy medium there to deal with, but, again, if we, all of a sudden, \Ie leave tonight, \Ie could be on another month or two months. I don't know how your agendas are working. I know you're very busy and you have a lot of things to do, but that it, from our side of the table, so to speak, that is a difficult thing we have to deal wi th . MR. CARTIER-Well, this is why we're here tonight. This is what our public meeting is about, is to take all this input and try and come up with something. It's not a matter of getting together with a Staff member someplace downstairs or something and asking..We need to go through this public review process. MR. MCLENITHAN-I understand that. MR. cARTIER-And that's what tonightls for. MR. ROBERTS-And the other side of the coin is, too, ~ are used to dealing with much more elaborate site plan review, site plans. If we're willing to cooperate with you, here, on this site plan, youlve got a.. MR. KUPILLAS-I think one of the considerations might be, for a business such as yours, and be more in keeping with the residential portion of that neighborhood, might be fencing. I mean, I know it's costly to put up a.. fence, but, in you type of business, as I understand it,. .driving along the street and say, there's a bulldozer. I think I'll pull in and see how much it is. I'm sure, through trade papers or whatever, people come and find you. You wouldn't be on that road if you weren It. MR. MCLENITHAN-I don't think that the, I'm going to take issue with you. That area has a residential tenor to that neighborhood. You're talking industrial property. MR. KUPILLAS-You are, but right near by are residential people that have to have some sort of consideration. MR. MCLENITHAN-I think fencing is a useless expense, unnecessary expense, not useless. youl re talking that kind of fencing, what are we talking about.. I don't think it's necessary. MR. ROBERTS-Yes, I might agree with that. I think, in most cases the fencing is, it doesn't look as good, perhaps, as some trees and so forth. oofences are rather shoddy. MR. CARTIER-Do you know if a planting plan was presented to the Beautification Committee. MR. MCLENITHAN-To my knowledge, it was. MR. CARTIER-It was? MR. MCLENITHAN- Ye s. MR. ROBERTS-Well, \Ie have let the Committee do some of the work for us, as Peter pointed out, as far as the Beautification's concerned. MR. CARTIER-Well, I'm going back to Mr. Baker's comments, here, on putting myself in Mr. Hatin I s shoes and looking at what we have in front of us as a map of the application and, it would be very difficult for me, as Mr. Hatin, to figure out what it is I was enforcing, in terms of stipulations, and so on. I guess speaking for myself, I'd be much happier seeing a much more detailed application, here, being very, very specific, the scales laid out, the parking indicated, the screening indicated there are comments. l7 '~ - MRS. PULVER-How about displaying of th~ v~hicles, too. MR. CARTIER-Yes. MRS. PULVER-How ar~ you going to display the v~hicles. MR. CARTIER-If you could give us an ar~a in which the v~hicles are display~d, that would give us some handle on how many vehicles w~'re talking about. MRS. PULVER-Yes, or at least an area. MR. ROBERTS-I guess, this is their intent, in that, these are parked v~hicles, appar~ntly. MR. MCLENITHAN-Yes. MR. ROBERTS-There's more around here. MRS. PULVER-W~ll, it doesn't look to scal~, to me. How long is a car, 21 feet? MR. HAGAN-Not to belabor this, but I'm having a problem, it's the basic conc~pt of th~ application. It says, for us~ of a portion, what portion?, of th~ vacant land, and I'm looking at the map presented and I can't determine what portion of that vacant land that the applicant is talking about. MR. RYMKEWICZ -That I s my question, also. Stan Rymkewicz, again. I believe 11.3 acr~s goes from the Riley property, wich is a my prop~rty, behind. If 11m not mistaken, that's around 11 acres. I see 11. 3 acres whit~ duplex, to MR. HAGAN-To approve this would b~ a blank~t approval for almost any land to be us~d for whatev~r purpose. MR. MCLENITHAN-Let me ask a qu~stion because I think you're making a fair comrr~nt. I donlt thinkoobut the answer is, if we're dealing with an allowable use in th~ ar~a, you want more specificity. Alright, y,e. can give you mor~ sp~cificity and my qu~stion would be, as far as getting on an agenda, n~xt month, if we could table this and come back with mor~ detail. What hav~ we got to do this back in front of you? MR. ROBERTS-Well, I guess, right now, it looks as though you probably could, if you can get it in by next Wednesday or b~fore next Wednesday. MR. BAKER-The deadline is tomorrow. MR. ROBERTS-Is that tomorrow? MR. BAKER-Yes, it is. Tomorrow is th~ last Wedn~sday of the month. MR. MCLENITHAN-Thatls not really fair to the applicant. MR. CARTIER-W~ll, it's th~ luck of the draw. If we had more specificity, to b~gin with, the applicant would not be in that situation. I think what you n~~d to hear is, ~xactly what we want to se~. I, speaking for me, I'd lik~ to see a drawing to scal~. I'd lik~ to s~e a sk~tch showing, as Mrs. Pulver points out, the display ar~as of the vehicles. I n~ed som~ square footage on those. The screening that IS going to b~ provided, typ~ of screening and so on. In other words, a ground layout of what this thingls going to look like wh~n itls done. MR. MCLENITHAN-We' r~ d~aling with the absolute reality of Septemb~r, then, that's what you'r~ saying? MR. CARTIER-If you're lucky, maybe Octob~r, depending on how fast you can get som~thing in. MR. MCLENITHAN-Well, if youlre saying n~xt Wednesday, it would be done. If you'r~ saying tomorrow, it's impossible. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MR. ROBERTS-You don't think it is? MR. MCLENITHAN-I know it isn't. I say that, it's going to tak~ a suprem~ ~ffort to do it. l8 "--' -..../ MR. ROBERTS-I was just thinking, maybe, it's really not impossible. This is not that difficult. We're not asking for the moon, here, but we're just asking for a little more than we've got. MR. CAlMANO-Well, as Peter points out, though, had this been done, originally, I don't think that we can carry that burden. MR. ROBERTS-Well,. .but if they can do it by tomorrow at 4:00. MR. CAlMANO-Fine. MR. ROBERTS-Is it 4:00 or, I'm not sure about that. What is the time? MR. BAKER-2:00 P.M., tomorrow. MR. ROBERTS-Okay, 2:00 P.M.. MR. CAlMANO-I'm going to suggest one more thing, too, as was suggested on the last one, and that's that Mr. McLenithan, hopefully, can come up with a plan that the neighbors will like and, it seems to me, that's part of the problem, here. MARlA FISHER MRS. FISHER-My name is Maria Fisher and we live directly across the street. We own the property across the street. I'd like to know what it IS going to look like. I have no objection tOooif itls an allowable use, but it looks terrible. It looks like a junk yard. It looks like a junk yard when you get off, when you come out of the airport. The first thing you see, when you come out of the airport, is. .and it is a disgrace. Queensbury, The Home of Natural Beauty, and this is what you see when you come off the plane. If you pe ople can't control what something is going to look like, look at all the building that took place on Queensbury Avenue, all those new buildings. They're beautiful. The landscaping is beautiful. Would you let those people do what he was doing? MRS. PULVER-Well, that I s one of the reasons why we want to see a more elaborate plan, is because we can't tell.. MRS. FISHER-If we could see something up there that the neighbors can look at and say, well this is what itls going to look like. MR. ROBERTS-Well, I think we agree with you. MRS. PULVER-Yes. MR. CARTIER-The only thing I don't want to see happen is, in order to get into a 2 P.M. deadline situation, tomorrow, the thing is rushed through and not done correctly. MR. MCLENITHAN-We' re going to make a telephone call, right now, tonight, before we leave and see, I mean, that's going to have a lot to do with whether we can get it in. I would respectfully request the application be tabled. MR. ROBERTS-And, I guess, maybe, we'll leave the public hearing open, again, as welve done before and entertain a motion for tabling. MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 56-90 AIRRON INDUSTRIAL CORP., Introduced by Carol Pulver who moved for its adoption, seconded by Conrad Kupi1las: For use of a portion of the vacant land for sale of heavy equipment, until such time as they can re-apply and give us all the information required. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE SID PLAN NO. 57-90 nPE: UfLISTED LI-1A LECIIAID FOSBROOK OWNERS: BOLLISTER'S PLQOSING AND BEATING DŒALD ROZELL. PRES.. 4 BlGBLAND AVENUt FOR THE ADDITI(J!I OF BOWLAND CONSTRUCTION OFFICE (448 SQ. n..) TO PRESENT BUILDING AND CONSTRUClI(J!I OF DISPLAY H(JtK. (1iARREN COUNTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 110-7-1 Lar SIZE: 2.05 ACRES SEcrIŒ 4.020 (N) 19 '---' - LEN FOSBROOK, PRESENT STAFF INPur Notes from Lee A. York, Senior Planner (attached) MR. ROBERTS-Now, I wonder why Staff can't determine the necessary parking areas that are needed, instead of the Board doing that. MR. BAKER-Well, under the supplemental reg's, I believe that is Article 7 of the Ordinance, it states that where it isn't specified, the requirement for a certain use, in terms of parking spaces, it is up to the Planning Board to determine. MR. CAlMANO-And, of course, if you go one letter further, Tom tells us just that, he says it's "existing and proposed parking will be adequate. II MR. ROBERTS-Okay, I kind of wondered whether you couldn I t make a recommendation or something, but Tom's covered that. MR. BAKER-Yes, certainly, we can. MR. ROBERTS-Anything for engineering comments? ENGINEER BEP«IRT Notes from Tom Yarmowich, Town Engineer (attached) MR. KUPILLAS-I just had a question. This seems contrary to the Staff's comments. It says (referring to Staff Notes): liThe proposed unit will not have septic or water hookups, only power. " MR. YARMOWICH-That's correct. The site plan indicated there was a proposed office and our comment was based on the use of the proposed office in the existing structure. MR. KUPILLAS-I gue ss that's something I should ask the applicant. Is there going to be an office? MR. YARMOWICH-I believe the applicant can clarify that. MR. FOSBROOK-Good evening. My name I s Len Fosbrook. There is existing office space in the present building. We are leasing that existing office space. The building that we are erecting is simply a display home to be used for purposes of showing the building technology that we can use in providing..A couple of other things for correction. The site is 2.05 acres, not 8 acres and there appears to be some disagreement from the calculations for stormwater runoff. ~ initially came up with some 270 cubic feet required in the retention. ~'ve had a short debate, here, during the recess, and there I s a mathematical error. There might be a slight error in the approach. I don't think we're in agreement, but, I think, conceptually, we can say that, adding a 28 by 40 foot structure to this area, \Ie both agree, does not create a 2,700 cubic feet of additional runoff. It's something I didn't know about until tonight because I just got the information, but we did these calculations in conjunction with Tom Nace and they were reviewed by Rist-Frost' s office, another gentleman who gave me a verbal approval and said everything looks in order. Now, I think we have to gp back and resolve the issue. MR. ROBERTS-How big a problem are we looking at, here, Tom? MR. YARMOWICH-May I clarify a few points. The offered calculations address the entire site and not just the changed conditions and the applicant should be aware of that. I believe that the applicant can properly address the issue by submitting a revised stormwater management plan and that can be done at any time. MR. ROBERTS-Okay, I guess we should comment that the Citizens Advisory Committee on Access for the Handicapped sug~sted that: "The display home be accessible to allow for viewing by all people. The new ruling on parking for the disabled is 8' wide with an 8' wide access aisle." Do you have space to do that? MR. FOSBROOK-Making it handicapped accessible? MR. ROBERTS-Yes, and coping with the new reg's. 20 '-' ~ MR. FOSBROOK-I'm not sure what those regulations are. MR. ROBERTS-It requires 8 feet between the spaces. I don't know how many spaces are required for this project. MR. CARTIER-One, I'm sure. You'd need a 16 foot wide space for handicapped parking, 16 feet by 20 feet. MR. FOSBROOK-Which I think we could say that the parking space directly in front of the house would be indicated as handicapped parking. MR. CAlMANO-Right. MR. ROBERTS-Yes. MR. CARTIER-I think it needs to be signed. Is the building, is the house going to be handicapped accessible also? MR. FOSBROOK-It's not designed that way. It's a stock building. It's a factory built home and it's not, it would have to be specifically built and designed in order to accommodate that. MR. CAlMANO-I also noticed something else in here, Peter, and that I s the fact that this letter starts, from Nancy (Citizen's Advisory Committee) It is suggested. Is there an indication, here, that he may not have to comply with this regulation? MR. BAKER-I believe if there were a State Reg requiring that the building, the Demo Building, be handicapped accessible, that the Advisory Committee would state which regulation applied. MR. CAlMANO-Thatls what 11m thinking, too. If he's buying a stock house MR. BAKER-I think what the Advisory Committee is looking for is a ramp to the entrance, just so people on crutches or in wheel chairs can at least get into the first floor. I'm assuming it's a one story structure. MR. ROBERTS-Well, most all structures, today, are handicapped access. MR. CARTIER-One of handicapped access, condition . MR. CAlMANO-Right. the things ~ have to keep in mind, wen we talk about is ~ tend to think about somebody with a permanent handicapping MR. CARTIER-What we seem to forget is the poor guy who broke a leg skiing and will mend in six WBeks, or those kinds of things, too. I think thatls what we're talking about, here. MR. CAlMANO-Well, at any rate, I'm still going back to say, it is suggested, Which leads me to believe, as Stu seems to concur, that there may not be a requirement, here. MR. CARTIER-Okay, \Ie 11 , it sounds a little WBird to say you've got to supply handicapped parking, but they can't get into the numbers. MR. CAlMANO-No, it doesn't say to supply. She says, it is sug~sted, and the key I'm leaning on here, "It is sug~sted by the Committee that the display home be accessible to all for viewing by all people", and then, it's almost like that next paragraph is an aside, reminding US that the new rule on parking for the disabled is 8 by 8, thatls the way I read that. MR. FOSBROOK-Yes, \Ie discussed this with the Zoning Officer and the reason we're not locating an office in this display building is because then we would have to make it handicapped accessible, along with a handicapped bathroom. This building, in order to make the product more salable, should look like any home in any subdivision that you might drive up to. The curb appeal, I think, is very significant, in the value of being able to market the product. Changing the outside structure and changing the inside structure of this, may have an impact on our ability to do business. MR. CARTIER-Well, What about the office? Is the office handicapped accessible? MR. FOSBROOK-The office, as itls presently constructed? 21 ~ - MR. CARTIER-Let me re-phase the question. Can it be made handicapped accessible? What I'm afraid of is, I don I t want this Board to appear hypocritical. We Ire saying, okay, you I ve got to have a handicapped parking space, but the person who parks there can't get into either the office or the house. MR. FOSBROOK-The office is on the ground floor. There is nothing but a threshold across the doorway. MR. CARTIER-There's no step up or anything? MR. FOSBROOK-There I s absolutely no step up. to go across, to get into the building. It's, literally, just a threshold MR. CARTIER-So, therels access into the office? MR. FOSBROOK-Yes. MR. CAlMANO-Do you have any thoughts, Karla? MS. CORPUS-I'm not familiar with the regulations, as far as the handicapped access goes, but it appears that this is more of an accessory structure than the primary structure on the premises and it's used, as Len said, for display purposes. There is no septic or water service to it that would require access interiorly. I'm assuming that could be shown on pictures, different plot plans, etc. This is mainly to see how the structure would look from the outside, the inside could be pictures and whatnot. So, I'm assuming that, again, it appears to be an accessory structure to the main structure which is the office ,building, wich would require the handicapped access. Again, the State Regis are there for parking. Not being familiar with any other requirement s, I don I t see where it could be made mandatory. MR. CARTIER-Okay, I guess maybe I wasn't making myself clear, here. I think what we need to do is talk about (TAPE TURNED) MR. ROBERTS-Apparently, this has been discussed with the Code Enforcement Officer, but I think maybe Stuart or somebody might research this a little bit and brief us. Maybe we'd like to know more about this and our obligations here. MR. CAlMANO-Yes, I don't want to sound like I'm. .at all and the other thing, of course, to go along with Mr. Cartier, is, the fact that, since you have all this land anyway, Why don't you just make an 8 by 8 spot. MR. FOSBROOK-For parking? MR. CAlMANO-Yes. MR. FOSBROOK-Therels no problem on parking and, certainly, as a business, with a potential customer who might be handicapped, 'tæ wouldnl t want to exclude him from being able to do business. This display home will be open during certain hours of the week, but also by appointment, and we would make every effort and special allowances to make sure that a handicapped person would be able to be brought in and shown the product and told how it could be redesigned to fit his needs, Whatever they might be. MRS. PULVER-I have a question, are you..? MR. FOSBROOK-This would be on a temporary foundation. MRS. PULVER-I mean, you do plan on tying it down and securing it? MR. FOSBROOK-Right, but it will be a crawl space underneath. MRS. PULVER-Alright, What happens when you sell this, then you are going to be always confined to this particular size house? Are you making allowances for this foundation to expand and contract? MR. FOSBROOK-It will be put on piers and the piers will be able to accommodate slightly different sized structures. The decision on whether we sell a specific house or not is relative to a lot of market issues, whether new models come out that we think better displays the product, whether somebody comes off the street and says, I've got to have this house and okay, fine, 'tæ're going to have to do something, but, essentially, 'tæ don't plan on selling this immediately and, wether we sell it at all would depend on certain market issues. 22 I '-' ...- MRS. PULVER-So, now you're going to put this on piers, so there would be steps up here. It would be raised. It would be elevated slightly off the ground. MR. FOSBROOK-There would be a crawl space which would be required to be, how far off the ground, about two feet? MR. CAlMANO-Two feet. MR. ROBERTS-Okay, let me open the public hearing. PUBLICC: BEARING OPENED NO OOMMEHT PUBLIC: BEARING CLOSED MR. ROBERTS-We do have the Queensbury Beautification Committee with quite a few sug~stions, but they approved. The County felt that there was no County impact. There doesn't seem to be a problem, other than one small thing that, apparently, should be corrected before itls finalized, but, I wouldn't think, enough to hold up the application. Do you have any more questions? Access to the road with two swing around entrance, I guess that's pretty clear going, there, on that road, traffic wise. MR. CARTIER-I just had one quick question of Tom. Do I understand that submitting a revised stormwater drainage plan will take care of your comments 1 and 4, both? MR. YARMOWICH-We do require some information regarding grading, that is, wat is the existing direction of flow and how is that to be effected by the construction and how will that merge with the stormwater management plan that I s to be revised. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MR. FOSBROOK-There are some elevations on the drawing, but they might be a little bit difficult to see. The basic flow is from the back of the property towards the front and from the north down to the south, it's on a slight grade. MR. YARMOWICH-Please prepare a narrative of that description and include it with your. . MR. ROBERTS-Perhaps, is there a motion? MR. cAlMANO-Do we need a SEQRA on this? MR. BAKER-Yes. MR. ROBERTS-Good point. MR. CAlMANO-Will the Short Form do? MR. BAKER-It certainly will. RESOLUTION WIlEN DETEllllNATION OF NO SIGNIFICANCE IS ItADE RESOLUTION NO. 57-90, Introduced by Peter Cartier who moved for its adoption, seconded by Nicholas Caimano: WHEREAS, there is presently before the Planning Board an application for: the use of presently existing office space and for the construction of a display home on the site of BOLLISTER'S PLœBING AND BATING property, 4 Highland Avenue and WHEREAS, this Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RE SOL VED : 1. No federal agencies are involved. 23 '-----' ...../ 2. The following agencies are involved: NONE 3. The proposed action considered by this Board is unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury. 4. An Environmental Assessment Form has been completed by the applicant. 5. Having considered and thoroughly analyzed the relevant areas of environmental concern and having considered the criteria for determining whether a project has a significant environmental impact as the same is set forth in Section 617.11 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations for the State of New York, this Board finds that the action about to be undertaken by this Board will have no significant environmental effect and the Chairman of the Planning Board is hereby authorized to execute and sign and file as may be necessary a statement of non-significance or a negative declaration that may be required by law. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Hagan, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE MR. ROBERTS-Well,. .understanding that we're talking about two different projects, there, the proposed display home and an existing building for an office. MR. FOSBROOK-Yes, I think the explanation in the minutes is somewhat inaccurate. The offices and the building exist and those are being leased. The only addition to the property is the display home. MR. ROBERTS-The proposal is for leasing it, not building it. MR. FOSBROOK-Right. MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 57-90 LEONAJID FOSBH.OOK, Introduced by Nicholas Caimano who moved for its adoption, seconded by Carol Pulver: For the use of office space and the construction of a display home at Hollister's Plumbing, 4 Highland Avenue, with the following stipulations: That data be provided to address Comment Number 1 of Rist-Frost's comments, dated July 20th, 1990; that a revised stormwater management plan be submitted; that the office space changes be made handicapped accessible and one handicapped parking slot be provided; and that the planting plans for the model home submitted to the Beautification Committee be implemented. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE SITE PLAN NO.. 58-90 TYPE: Uß.ISTED SF:R-1A NANCYS.. AND PETER lJ.. KWAN SAME AS ABOVE 10 PINEWQD AVøœ FOil AN ADDITUIi TO THE BOUSE; IlASTEIl AND SOlE ADDITICRAL CLOSET SPACE ADJOINING THE PRESENT IlASTER BEDROOM.. NO.. 81-3-11 Lor SIZE: 0..50 ACJlES SECfrcli 9.010 OWNER.: BEDROOM ~ TAX MAP PETER KUDAN, PRESENT S'IAFF NOTES From Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner (attached) MR. ROBERTS-Is there anyone here to speak on behalf of this applicant? MR. KUDAN-My name is Peter Kudan and I'd entertain any questions you might have. MR. ROBERTS-Can we do this expansion without destroying that beautiful hedge on the west side of the property? MR. KUDAN-Absolutely. 24 ......, MR. ROBERTS-I tried to pace it off and I think maybe it could be done. MR. KUDAN-I put everyone of those trees in. I dug the trench by myself. There is no way in God's green earth that I would destroy that hedge. MR. ROBERTS-Let me open the public hearing. PUBLIC BEARING OPENED MARGARET BURROW MRS. BURROW-My name is Margaret Burrow and I've written a letter on behalf of this request and I feel that it would improve the neighborhood. The Kudans have done whatever they have done in the..and I'd like see them encouraged rather than suggest that maybe they might like to move closer. MR. ROBERTS-Okay, is that letter on file, Stuart, I would assume? MR. BAKER-Was that letter sent to the Planning Department? MRS. BURROW-Yes. MR. BAKER-Okay, yes, it is on file. MR. ROBERTS-Okay, anyone else? LEONARD OWNER MR. OWNER-My name is Lecnard Owner. I live on 16 Pinewood Avenue. I have no objections to what this man is doing. He's doing everything right, it seems like, because he's got the nicest looking place on the block. I can't add anymore to that. PUBLIC BEARING CLOSED MR. ROBERTS-Anybody else? Okay, I guess this is a fairly straightforward project. Any further questions? If not, we better do a SEQRA, however. MR. CAlMANO-Why? MR. BAKER-It is an Unlisted action. MR. ROBERTS-The fact that it is Unlisted, we do need to do the Short Form, am I right? MR. BAKER-Was there a Short Form included? MR. CAlMANO-There is one included, yes. RESOLUTION WHEN DETERMINATION OF NO SIGNIFICANCE IS MADE RESOLUTION NO. 58-90, Introduced by Nicholas Caimano who moved for its adoption, seconded by Carol Pulver: WHEREAS, there is presently before the Planning Board an application for: an addition to the house, master bedroom, and some additional closet space adjoining the present master bedroom for RANCY S. AND PEmR L. KUDAN on 10 Pinewood Avenue and WHEREAS, this Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RE SOL VED : 1. No federal agency appears to be involved. 2. The following agencies are involved: NONE 25 '-- - 3. The proposed action considered by this Board is unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury. 4. An Environmental Assessment Form has been completed by the applicant. 5. Having considered and thoroughly analyzed the relevant areas of environmental concern and having considered the criteria for determining wether a project has a significant environmental impact as the same is set forth in Section 617.11 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations for the State of New York, this Board finds that the action about to be undertaken by this Board will have no significant environmental effect and the Chairman of the Planning Board is hereby authorized to execute and sign and file as may be necessary a statement of non-significance or a negative declaration that may be required by law. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 58-90 NANCY S. AND PETER L. KUDAN, Introduced by Nicholas Caimano who moved for its adoption, seconded by Carol Pulver: For an addition to the house; master bedroom, and some additional closet space adjoining the present master bedroom. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupillas, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE SITE PLAN NO. 59-90 TYPE: UNLISTED WR-1A WESLD M. BISHOP OWNER: SAME AS ABOVE UGIlT Œ'F BAY ROAD ON SUNN'1SIDE ROAD, APPROX. ~ MILE œ SUNN'1SIDE, THEN A BAB» LEFT AT MQ>ERHarTS MOTORCYCLE SHOP œ SUNN'1SIDE NORTB, 5TH BOUSE ON LEF'I AFTER SHARP :RIGH'l OORNER ON SUNN'1SIDE NORTB FOR A 21 FT. BY 30 F'I. ADDITION OF A SEOOND STORY BEDIOOH AND FAMILY ROOM, AND NEW OUTSIDE SIDING. (WARREN COUNT! PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 50-1-76 Lar SIZE: 4,520 SQ. FT. SECflœ 9.010 WESLEY BISHOP, PRESENT STAFF NOTES From Lee A. York, Senior Planner (attached) MR. BAKER-(Referring to Staff Notes). I might add, at this point, that these points will be clarified by the applicant. There is some confusion with the site plan and, again, the applicant will straighten it out for us. ENGINEER REPORT Notes from Tom Yarmowich, Town Engineer (attached) MR. ROBERTS-(Referring to Engineer Report) Doesn't that exist? MR. YARMOWICH-It will be replaced, under the proposal. MR. BISHOP-Thatls one of the point's I'd like to clarify. MR. ROBERTS-And the County felt that there was no County impact. MR. BISHOP-I'm Wesley Bishop and there's several things in here that I'd like to clarify. First of all, I'm not doubling the living space, as shown on the plans that I've submitted. The house is not 1,050 square feet and I'm adding a 630 square foot second story. Second, the lot is 4,520 feet. MR. ROBERTS-5,000 sq. ft. MR. CARTIER-4,520 sq. ft. 26 - MR. BISHOP-That's the lot size. The proposed structure will be 1,680 square feet, but it's not going to be closer to any of the lot lines. So, we will not changing the nonconforming structure, in that respect. Third, tbB septic system is currently a nonconforming septic system that leaches toward the Lake and has been grand fathered , as it was when I bought the house, five years ago and the plan is a proposal to pump it across the street, which will improve the water quality and, as far as concern A (Referring to Staff Notes) I just stated that it I S not encroaching any closer to any lot lines. As far as the natural trees around the house, I do not want to see them d anaged in any TN-ay more than necessary to put the building on the property, which would mean just pruning watever's necessary. Most of the trees are on my lot and the only trees that are on a neighbors lot, the neighbor I s here to speak for me tonight and B, Note 3 (Referring to Staff Notes) The septic system is going to only improve the quality of the Lake. Item c. The people that are already there, regardless of the size of the structure. We already have that many pecple living there. Well, almost, ~ have more on tbB way and Item D. It's only going to improve the Lake. It's not going to detract from it, due to the fact that the septic system will now be up to code. As far as engineering's concern, the new septic system that's going in is more than 50 feet, it's 100 feet away from t he existing well. The one that you may have been looking at is the one that's already existing, that is for the rental property on the other side of the street. MR. YARMOWICH-Excuse me, the force main needs to be located..50 feet? MR. BISHOP-The main across the street needs to go MR. YARMOWICH-That's correct. MR. BISHOP-Well, \<hen he puts that in, that can be routed around. I wouldn't have any problem with that and, watever permits I need to get from the Town, I'd be more than happy to. MR. ROBERTS-Does this answer some of the questions here? Well, let me open the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED HARRY BETAR MR. BETAR-My name is Harry Betar. I'm speaking for the owner, Marion Betar. What trees that would need to be pruned are on existing lot lines that we share and now I can say all Wes has done is plant trees. He doesn I t cut them down. We would have no objection to pruning what trees may be on our property line. MR. ROBERTS-Alright, thank you. Anyone else? MR. CAlMANO-I think Lee writes an eloquent plea for environmentalists and 11m always troubled by these things, however, Mr. Bishop seems to answer them quite nicely. I mean, first of all, theyl re going to live there anyway, so why not have some space. Secondly, theyl re going up and not going closer to the Lake. They don't seem to be encroaching and, thirdly, the convincing argument is that he is going to help t bB Lake, by changing the septic. MR. CARTIER-The only question I have, Mr. Bishop, are a couple of questions, I guess. The house across the road from you, is that rented out? MR. BISHOP-Is not rented at the present time. MR. CARTIER-Okay, is that septic system MR. BISHOP-Yes, that's the septic system to that. MR. CARTIER-How big are the lots on either side of you? MR. BISHOP-Thatls l50 deep and 100 wide. MR. CARTIER-lOO wide? MR. BISHOP-Yes. MR. CARTIER-And is that the same on thi s one? MR. BISHOP-Yes, on the lot next to it. 27 '--" , MR. CARTIER-Okay, my question, I have, concerning the placement of this particular septic system, if it's going to severely limit, t his is, I assume, is a building lot, on each side? MR. BISHOP-Yes, theylre vacant lots, right now. MR. CARTIER-Not owned by you? MR. BISHOP-Not owned by me. MR. CARTIER-Owned by somebody else. MR. BISHOP-Right. MR. CARTIER-The placement of this septic system puts severe restrictions on where this person on this side could place a well. Theyl re going to have to put a well lOO feet away from this. MR. BISHOP-Okay, that's also owned by the neighbor two houses down, that lot across the street on that side. MR. CARTIER-Here? MR. BISHOP-Yes, and his ~ll is across the street on his lot. MR. CARTIER-Okay, so this piece of property is owned by some cne who already has a well for their residence? MR. BISHOP-Right, yes. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MR. BISHOP-And that ~ll is on Lakeside property. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MR. ROBERTS-Well, are there any other questions. I guess this requires, again, the SEQRA Short Form. RESOLUIION WHEN DETERMINATION OF NO SIGNIFICANCE IS MADE RESOLUIION NO. 59-90, Introduced by Peter Cartier who moved for its adoption, seconded by Nicholas Caimano: MR. CARTIER-Are you adding a bathroom here? MR. BISHOP-No. WHEREAS, there is presently before the Planning Board an application: by WESLE'i M. BISHOP for a 21 ft. by 30 ft. addition of a second story bedroom and family room, and new outside siding. and WHEREAS, this Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED: l. No federal agency appears to be involved. 2. The following agencies are involved: NONE 3. The proposed action considered by this Board is unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury. 4. An Environmental Assessment Form has been completed by the applicant. 28 -- ~ 5. Having considered and thoroughly analyzed the relevant areas of environmental concern and having considered the criteria for determining whether a project has a significant environmental impact as the same is set forth in Section 617.11 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations for the State of New York, this Board finds that the action about to be undertaken by this Board will have no significant environmental effect and the Chairman of the Planning Board is hereby authorized to execute and sign and file as may be necessary a statement of non-significance or a negative declaration that may be required by law. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupi1las, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE MR. CARTIER-I'll make a motion, but I'd like to make a comment, first. As Mr. Caimano is, 11m very impressed by the notes by Mrs. York and I don't mean to suggest that 11m ignoring them, but I think what we've got here is a trade off situation. We're getting a septic system back from a heavily impacted Lake already, that's the gain. The loss is the second story and, in my personal opinion, thit's a fair trade. MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 59-90 WESLEY H. BISHOP, Introduced by Peter Cartier who moved for its adoption, seconded by Nicholas Caimano: For the addition of a 21 ft. by 30 ft. second story bedroom and family room and new outside siding at the property of Wesley M. Bishop on Lake Sunnyside with the following stipulations: That the separation distance between the sewer line and the existing well should be 50 feet as required by DOH regulations and that the proposed sewage force main which crosses Sunnyside Nort h receive permission from the Town Highway Department. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE ABSTAINED: Mr. Hagan SITE PLAN NO. 60-90 T1PE: UNLISTED PC-1A QUIQ{ LUBE OIL CENTERS OWREII.: DAVID LEMAN 717 UPPER GLEN STJlEET INSTALLATIŒ Œ" A QUICK LUBE TEN MINurE OIL c:BANGE CENTER. (WARREN OOURTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 103-1-25 Lar SIZE: 0.66 ACRES SEcæIQN 4.020 (J) DAVE THEURMER, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT STAFF INPUT Notes from John S. Goralski, Planner (attached) ENGINEER REPORT Notes from Tom Yarmowich, Town Engineer (attached) MR. ROBERTS-And tlY; Handicapped Access Committee: "With regards to the designated handicapped parking, access into the building should be in the back as well as the front due to the distance and location of the spaces." And the Beautification Committee has approved with some suggestions and the County Planning Board has approved, but they are suggesting, "With the condition that the exit would be a right turn only onto Glen Street." Maybe that's the first, more serious question to have the applicant answer because that's somet hing you can live wit h, is the right turn only onto Glen Street from your property. MR. THEURMER-Yes, I believe it is. My name is Dave Theurmer. I've been employed with Quick Lube for about five years. During thit time, I've served in various capacities. One of which has been as District Manager of the operation. So, I'm familiar with the day to day operations. Presently, I deal with project development. I'd like to give you a very brief run-down of what a 10 minute oil change center is, thitls assuming you may not be familiar with it. If you have any questions, feel free to jump in. We provide a l6 point fuel oil and filter 29 - -- service, which takes, approximately, 7 to 12 minutes, depending on the type of the car. We do do some additional fluid maintenance services. We do automatic transmission and fluid services, differential fluid services, graded air flushes and we install air filters and breathers. There are several things we don't do. We don't do any automotive repair and we don't do any body ~rk or anything of that nature. All the services are performed without an appointment, while the customer waits for their car and no cars are allowed to be left on the site overnight. The projected volume for this site is 45 to 50 cars per day, which is in keeping with the approximate national average of lO minute oil change uses. This center will be staffed, at any given time, with four employees. Given the low volume of the site, Which is 45 to 50 cars a day, I don't feel that the impact onto Glen Street, from a traffic pattern standpoint, will be very severe at all. Certainly, nowhere near as severe as Wendyl s, which is down the street or, for example, the video store, wich is a relatively new project. We would be willing to put in no left turn or right turn only signage to accommodate that concern, but we would request that it be done with architectural signage, as opposed to the lar~, highway type signs which we don't feel is very attractive and, I believe, the purpose of those signs is so they can be seen from a good distance at a high rate of speed, which is certainly not what we have on this site. I think it would serve the purpose and it would be a little bit more aesthetic. So, in direct answer to your question, yes, we could accommod ate that signage at no left turn or right turn only, Whatever the wording. MR. CARTIER-It would be "No Left Turn". MR. THEURMER-"No Left Turn". What we propose to do with the project is to reduce the existing building from 5,000 square feet to, approximately, 2,100 square feet, by removing the portion furthest to the north and closest to the property. This ~uld dramatically improve the aesthetics of the property and it would help with circulation and safety into and out of the site. MR. CARTIER-Let me ask you a question, here. I drive in to get serviced. Do I get out of my car? Do I park my car, I walk in an office and wait or what do I do? MR. THEURMER-Yes, wat you do is you pull to the rear of the building. You are greeted by an employee who comes out of the service area. He may ask any questions you have or, if you are a regular customer, he'll direct you just to the customer waiting area. Helll pull the car in. The car will be serviced. Your car will be pulled out. You'll get in your car and leave. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MR. THEURMER-In addressing the handicapped concern. The rear of the building is evenly graded and, therefore, will be handicapped accessible. This type of service is ideal for the handicapped. They love it because, typically, they don't even bother getting out of the car. Their cars are, t he permanent handicapped cars, are very difficult to drive, for some cne who is not handicapped and the amount of time it takes them to get out of the car, t hey just stay in the car and thit is one exception. We will allow a handicapped person to drive their own car into the service area. We feel, in the long run, it's safer for everybody concerned. MR. ROBERTS-And you lift them, on a lift? MR. THEURMER-No, t he service area has an upper and lower service area where it's serviced simultaneously, thit's how the service is conducted in a short period of time. More than one person works on a car at a time. MR. CAlMANO-My concerns are, and, by the way, I just thought of something to help you out. Since you do see the customer on the way out, t 11=re mi ght be an instruction to the driver. MR. THEURMER-We could also have a sign in the waiting room, too. MR. CAlMANO-Yes, those kinds of things, okay. My concern is, okay, oil's alright, except in terms of, how are we going to get rid of it and, secondly, will be there any solvents? It says storage of other things inside. Tell me about that. MR. THEURMER-I'm not entirely sure where you're referring to, but I'll give you a run-down on what we have in storage. We don I t use solvents similar to pain t thinners or toluene, none of that. Our detergent that we use is a biodegrad able detergent. Basically, what we store on site is motor oil, automatic transmission fluid, antifreeze, windshield washer detergent, chassis grease. 30 '-- --' MR. KUPILLAS-Do you have bulk storage or? MR. THEURMER-Yes, we have bulk storage. We will not bury tanks in the ground, long term. We think that's a mistake. Theylre inside the building. The procreation of these units has led to a new method of tank storage and theyl re called lube cubes. It's a square, vertical tank, Which takes up less room. MR. CAlMANO-Is it a pressure vessel? MR. THEURMER-It' s not under pressure, but it does meet. .codes and is a UL listed vessel. MR. CAlMANO-Okay, it's not under pressure, though? MR. THEURMER-No, tbß fluid is taken out through suction. MR. CARTIER-Did you submit an MSDS to anybody? MR. THEURMER-I submitted a hazardous material..form of the application. MR. CAlMANO-To get away from that, t ~re was a question raised about natural wetlands problem. MR. THEURMER-Right, as I understand it, t~re's a specific definition of wetlands. Those are not, specifically, wetlands. From time to time, it does appear from the drawing there. Not since live looked at the property, but from what's drawn there, t ~re is land that is wet there. It is somewhat confusing, t he land where wet, ~ are leasing and filling. If you look at the site plan, ~'re not leasing the entire Niagra Mohawk parcel, here. The are where, as you see, the telephone lines run through, t hose are, roughly, t he center of the property, roughly, the lowest point. They're just shown by two dashed lines. The four parking spaces to the rear go back up. .The existing grade is not changed significantly. With the exception of a small area in the four, rear most, or upper most in this case, parking spaces, t he existing grade at the edge of the pavement on the driveway is within six inches of ~at the proposed grade is and that pretty much continues along that run of parking spaces, until you get to the two rear spots and that slopes down from, probably, an area of three to five depth, thit area would be filled, but in relation to that entire Niagra Mohawk parcel, t hit's a very, very minor area. MR. CAlMANO-I think, John's concern, t hough is, in that drawing, is, he shows a sheet flow going directly to six and seven and, what's he concerned with? Is he concerned about not being able to runoff or puddling between seven and eight? MR. BAKER-He I s more concerned about the use of that wet area on the Niagra Mohawk property as a drainage area for that whole vicinity. He's not just concentrating his concern on the drainage on site. He I s more worried about potential impact from the fill that would be necessary to create those three spaces in a natural drainage pattern within that Niagra Mohawk property. MR. THEURMER-I spoke briefly with John Monday or Tu=sday and the existing grade on the site will not change, t hit sheet flow is there presently. We are going to cap thit portion a lot with asphalt, so, in effect, it will change by inch, but contour relative flow, it will not change. As a matter of fact, the stormwater runoff calculations are somewhat lower because, not significantly, but somewhat lower, because we have added, on the property owned by David Leman, the non leased property, ~ have added green space to that area, but that sheet flow is existing sheet flow to that area. MR. BAKER-Just to further clarify t he status of that Niagra Mohawk property, it maybe a wetland, but it is not classified as a Class I or Class II Wetland, by DEC, therefore, it's not DEC jurisdictional or Town of Queensbury Wetlands Ordinance jurisdictional. MR. THEURMER-Just from looking at it, ~ haven't, obviously, done any surveying, I believe it's. .to some of the runoff from the Queensbury Factory Outlet Center and the relative contribution to that area is far more from that than MR. CAlMANO-Where does this water go? MR. YARMOWI CH -Hove y Pond. 3l - MR. CAlMANO-Yes, but, from now on, itls going to have residuals of oil and grease and whatever, for no other reason than the cars that are going to be driving through there. MR. YARMOWICH-No more than a car thatls parked. MR. THEURMER-No more than a normal lot. MR. CAlMANO-But, right now, there's not much used back there, itls my understanding. MR. YARMOWICH-It's all parking. MR. CARTIER-It ought to be worth noting, too, t hit, one of the parts of the Queensbury Factory Outlet approval that we re-approved two or three times now, required that he tear up some pavement back there. So, t hit whole thing back there is going to be made more permeable..take some of those drainage MR. THEURMER-Where is that going to happen, just for my own knowledge? MR. CARTIER-Where? MR. THEURMER-Where, What pavement, or is that designated? MR. CARTIER-Yes, I think itls just about directly behind the property you're talking about. MR. ROBERTS-And some to the east, wasnlt there? MR. CARTIER-Or the wetlands area, yes. MR. THEURMER-Is there any possibility of getting a little landscaping in the front or better maintenance for that area? MR. ROBERTS-Of their area? MR. THEURMER-Yes, of their area. mentioning t hit. I don I t know what's before you. 11m just MR. ROBERTS-Well, Why don't you take a look. It's pretty extensive. MR. CARTIER-Yes, there's some significant changes that are going to be made to thit site. MR. THEURMER-I hope. . landscaping wise. MR. CARTIER-Well, you're looking at the back of one of those buildings. MR. KUPILLAS-And there I s more oobuilding plans for this building. separators before you hook into the sewer lines at all? Do you have MR. THEURMER-We go by whatever the code requires on that. One of the things that I will mention is that we don't have floor drains in our buildings, similar to- MR. CARTIER-Not at all? MR. THEURMER-No, not at all. What we do with our floor area, first of all, it's not very similar to a garage, were things end up on the floor a lot. Because of the way we service the cars, above and below, what we do is we have a rolling drain pan that sits directly under the car. So, there's very little spillage of anything on the car. Most of the material that is, if it is, occasionally, spilled on the floor, most of the material thit's coming down is road solvent, . .product of the tires of the vehicle. Nonetheless, what we do with that material is, 'We dump that into our drain pans and that is drained into our waste oil, again, storage tank. The same type of tank we discussed before and that's taken off the.. We don't have floor drains which are piped to, in the past, they used to be piped to storm sewer systems, that IS been outlawed by the DOT, but we don't have them. Typically, they would be..but we don't have that. MR. KUPILLAS-Well, where would your water go, like, when you wash the floors. MR. THEURMER-Well, 'We mop the floors. we don't hose them down and that ends up in those drain pans which then ends up with the waste oil and it's hauled away. 32 -./ '--' MR. YARMOWICH-You indicate you're hauling away waste, t hough? Your application indicates that you',re going to combust it as part of the heating system. MR. THEURMER-That is true. Part of it would be combusted in the heating system by, that take off ~uld be in the bottom of the tank. So, thit would be free of water. MR. YARMOWICH-Is that a permanent tank? MR. THEURMER-Yes. MR. YARMOWICH-Is that a buried waste oil storage tank? MR. THEURMER-Thatls inside the building, tb; storage tank, but we generate, unfortunately, those units are very efficient, and they can't burn, t b;y burn three to four gallons a day, I'm guess. We generate 45 to 50 gallons a day, so the remainder is hauled off. MR. CARTIER-Wait a minute. hearing? You're burning crank case oil. Is t hit what I'm MR. THEURMER-That's correct. MR. CARTIER-Okay. You have to meet emission standards on all that? MR. THEURMER-Yes, there are EPA Requirements that you must meet on those, on these units, to satisfy them, in addition to the fire protection requirements. MR. CARTIER-Okay. MR. KUPILLAS-Do you keep all your fluids separate, your waste fluids, by. .out of the car, in other words, your antifreeze? MR. THEURMER-The antifreeze goes into the, all fluids end up in the waste oil, the antifreeze, the transmission fluid and differential fluids, which is basically a very, very heavy motor oil. Those all end up in a system and they are all taken away. MR. CAlMANO-But what are you burning? Do you spin it off and burn the oil? MR. THEURMER-Yes, and those other fluids are combustible as well and they're very, very small volume, compared to motor oil. The only thing the waste oil. .really can't handle is water, but..separate is really quite simple. MR. CAlMANO-It's interesting. MR. THEURMER-Plus, t here I s been a real upgrade on those units since this industry has come into play because there are, essentially, more markets for them. The waste flow, is a high grade waste flow. MR. CAlMANO-Well, a lot of that stuff is used, has been used, for years in industry. It sounds gPod to me. MR. ROBERTS-Well, this would seem like a recycling of a site which. .here. Well, 1111 open and close the public hearing since nobodyls here. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED NO COMMENT PUBLIC HEARING o.OSED MR. CARTIER-Are we ready to do an EAF, here? MR. ROBERTS-I would think so. RESOLUTION WHEN DETERKlNATION OF NO SIGNIFICANCE IS HADE RESOLUTION NO. 60-90, Introduced by Peter Cartier who moved for its adoption, seconded by Nicholas Caimano: 33 ''"--' -- WHEREAS, there is presently before the Planning Board an application for: the installation of a Quick Lube ten minute oil change center at 717 Upper Glen Street and WHEREAS, this Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RE SOLVED : 1. No federal agency appears to be involved. 2. The following agencies are involved: None 3. The proposed action considered by t his Board is unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury. 4. An Environmental Assessment Form has been completed by the applicant. 5. Having considered and thoroughly analyzed the relevant areas of environmental concern and having considered the criteria for determining whether a project has as significant environmental impact as the same is set forth in Section 617.11 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations for the State of New York, t his Board finds that the action about to be undertaken by this Board will have no significant environmental effect and the Chairman of the Planning Board is hereby aut horized to execute and sign and file as may be necessary a statement of non-significance or a negative declaration that may be required by law. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Caimano, Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 60-90 QUICK LUBE OIL CENTERS, Introduced by Peter Cartier who moved for its adoption, seconded by Nicholas Caimano: For the installation of a Quick Lube ten minute oil change center at 717 Upper Glen Street with the following stipulations: "No Left Turn" signage be provided at exits, one 16 foot wide handicapped space be provided, t he customer waiting area be handicapped accessible, erosion control measures be provided, the planting plan shown to the Beautification Committee be implemented. Duly adopted this 24th day of July, 1990, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Kupillas, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Cartier, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Caimano, Mr. Roberts NOES: NONE MR. CAlMANO-One more thing. John's note, here, DOT permit for widening the curb cut should be addressed. MR. CARTIER-Okay. Where is that? MR. CAlMANO-Johnls letter of July 24th, 1990. MR. YARMOWICH-There doesn't appear to any chan~s in the curb cut. MR. ROBERTS-Yes, I don't know why MR. CAlMANO-He asked for it because of the turn radius. MR. YARMOWICH-The existing curb cuts will not require modification of this plan. MR. CARTIER-I thought the.. WlS being widened. MR. YARMOWICH-No, it's just being extended slightly onto the property. 34 -- MR. THEURMER-We're adding a curb cut to protect the existing pole. MR. YARMOWICH-The two different scales of the drawings can make it confusing, but, having reviewed it, there is no change in the curb cut. On motion meeting was adjourned. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Richard Roberts, Chairman 35 ---- '--' July 24th, 1990 LOCATION MAPS Queensbury Planning Board Meeting NEW BUSINESS: Site Plan No. 52-90 Robert Joy and Associates (See Staff Notes attached) -~~- éb ~ ..... .... .0 ~ Site Plan No. 53-90 Robert Joy and Associates (See Staff Notes attached) ,.., e1Y > ~ I '::" .... -=> ~ Site Plan No. 55-90 Guido Passarelli (See Staff Notes attabhed) Site Plan No. 56-90 Airron Industrial Corp. (See Staff Notes and Maps attached) Site Plan No. 57-90 Leonard Fosbrook Owners: Hollister's Plumbing and Heating (See Staff Notes attached) ~ ~ ~o· It¥- /' ~//~ r Q ¿~i". ' /7a¿'¿'I.:$~..:s - '---' LOCATION MAPS July 24th, 1990 Queensbury Planning Board Meeting NEW BUSINESS: (Cont'd) Site Plan No. 58-90 Nancy S. and Peter L. Kudan (See Staff Notes attached) Site Plan No. 59-90 Wesley M. Bishop (See Staff Notes ',~ 0\ «) D f ~e{ .* Lit -~ .... - -- LOCATION MAPS July 24th, 1990 Queensbury Planning Board Meeting NEW BUSINESS: (Cont'd) Site Plan No. 60-90 Quick Lube Oil C~nt~rs Owner: -David L~man (S~e Staff Notes attached) 00 v1- ~ J..c <ú ~ 'P() KEY MAP (Nol To Scole) Town 01 Queensbury Counly of Warren Slole of New York .. ':~pìiííJà ~, - ',-, - TOWN OF QUEENSBURY P1,.",,,,ing Department -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: By: Julv 17. 1990 Stuart G. Baker Area VariaDce Uøe Variance - Sip Variance := Interpretation Other: SubdirisiOD: Sketch, _ Pre1imiDary, X Site Plan Reriew - := Petition for a Change of Zone Freshwater Wet1aDda Permit Final Application Number: Site Plan Review No. 52-90 Applic:aøt'. Name: Robert JOY & Associates/Flovd Rourke MeeÛDg Date: July 24. 1990 ............................................................................................ The applicant wishes to install a removable metal section dock. I have reviewed the application according to the criteria in Article 5 of the Ordinance, and there do not appear to be any planning concerns. SB/pw ; '> ~ ~{i"'" ~, - -- TOWN OF QUEENSBURY P1l1nnin8 Department -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: By: July 20. 1990 Stuart G. Baker Area VariaDce Uøe Variance - Sip Variance == Interpretation Other: SubdiYision: Sketch, _ Pre1imiDary, X Site Plan Review - == Petition for a Change of Zone Freshwater WetJaDda Permit FiDal Application Number: Site Plan Review No. 53-90 ApplicaDt'. Name: Robert Joy & Associates/Floyd Rourke MeetÜIg Date: July 24. 1990 ............................................................................................ The applicant would like to remove the existing dock and install a new U-shaped dock. Other improvements on the property are also planned, but are not in need of Planning Board Review. I have reviewed the applicat ion in accordance wi th Art ide 5 of the ordinance, and there do not appear to be any planning concerns. The proposed dock would stick out into Glen Lake by less than 16 feet. (scaled from plan) SGB/pw '. - -~-~-_._-_.._.- - ~ - '--., '--' TOWN OF QUEENSBURY P1ëJnning Department -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: Julv 24. 1990 Stuart G. Baker By: Area Variance Use Variance - SigD Variance == Interpretation SubdiYisioa: Sketch, _ PrelimiDary, X Site Plan Rmew - - Petition for a Change of Zone - Freshwater WetlaDds Permit FiDal Other: Application Number: Site Plan Review No. 55-90 Applicant'. Name: Guido Passarelli Meeting Date: July 24, 1990 ............................................................................................ The applicant is proposing demolishing the existing motel and restaurant, and constructing a 45,800 square foot shopping center. As with any project of this size, there are a number of planning concerns which should be addressed before approval. A. Traffic Impacts According to Warren County Dept. of Public' Works Traffic Study dated February 1989, Route 9 between Quaker Road and Route 149 is operating at a level of service D. At this level of service, a small increase in flow may cause substantial traffic delays. Ken Carlson at DOT has requested that a traffic study and impact report be submitted as part of the Town's review of this project. Such a report should be done to DOT standards. DOT will review the traffic study and submit comments on it to the Planning Department. The traffic study submitted should be based on a ingress or egress across from Kendrick Road, as recommended by the Warren County Planning Board. B. Parking Adequacy Although the number of parking spaces currently provided for conforms with the zoning requirements, the Board should consider whether the parking will be adequate for the number of stores proposed for this plaza. If appropriate, the Board may request the applicant to provide more parking. As Doted by both the Town Engineer and the Citizens Advisory Committee on Access for the Handicapped, the aisles for handicapped parking spaces should be 8 feet wide. C. Pedestrian Access Breaks in the planted islands in the parking area should be provided to Page 1 of 2 ~ SP55-90 -./ provide for easier pedestrian access to the shops. Careful consideration should be given to providing sidewalks along Route 9 for pedestrian access. As this section of Route 9 is redeveloped, pedestrian access and safety will become a larger problem such as the current problem on the "Million Dollar Half Mile". Now is an appropriate time to plan for, and mitigate, future problems in this area. The owner of the Sunset Motel has already expressed to the Planning Department an interest in installing a pedestrian walkway on his property. D. Vehicular Access Both the ingress and egress to this plaza should be at least 20 feet wide, as per Section 7.071 of the Zoning Ordinance. A 20 foot wide area should be reserved on the northern boundary of this lot for future vehicular access to other future commercial areas on the west side of Route 9. This reserved side entrance/exit area chould potentially provide internal traffic access as far north as the Lake George Campsites (RV Sales) property - the location of the proposed conference center. Planning ahead for internalized traffic circulation may help alleviate future traffic congestion. E. Service Access Road The service access road should be widened (see attached letters from Fire Marshall, Queensbury Centra!). The buffer area between the service road and the MR-5 zone should be well screened with plantings to reduce delivery truck noise impacts on the adjacent residences. F. Aesthetic Concerns The line of trees along the southerly lot line should be left in place, if possible, to maintain the buffer between this lot and the motel to the south. Plantings on the southern end of the lot along the roadway should be maintained at such a height so as to not interfere with the visibility of the Sunset Motel sign. Lighting at the entrance and exit should be such that it has no impact on Route 9 traffic. Plantings around all traffic safety signs should not interfere with the visibility of the signs. The sign at the southerly entrance may be blocked from view by the proposed plantings around it. The Board should require that all store signs in the shopping center be of uniform color and design. This would result in a more pleasing appearance to passing traffic, and may very well attract more customers. The Board should review a full color architectural rendering of the proposed shopping center to ensure that the proposed design fits in with the existing character of the Route 9 development. This project has been well thought out. However, design changes are needed which will reduce the size of the shopping center, and hopefully increase the permeable area. SGB/sed Page 2 of 2 .------ ~ Jown 0/ Queenjburfj -../ RECORD OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION ~ 1-;:>-' DATE: - 7/-::2 '3/ 9C) TIME: ::2 . Cf) p.-r.. BETWEEN: ~+-v (3£,-( e:- , ~~~ (c.r ,~) (\ ~/) f SUBJECT: ~'r R'C<...I.(L\ \ ~,~ Plc-I~ IY\ . I ~ j^, ( I \CA-t I ,':"\T d(Y)/{'¡éJ "S""S-<}O J pr; .. (~J~ ~e r OT ç pþ~, f\j furð re-<ì' 'é:.,:J-S s.I-Ld J _ c.,,> pc-r I--- Òç ()ù'- ~E.GJ? H Ute, ) I re wd\ b(. , ~k~ J.o r(..ulf........j ~ I-rdÇ,( S~<x\:¿; c,.'yJ 'Sd'lM I\- w'':! rOM~U"\\-.s b -1rtJ ! 00-'1'\; (..j,1t [c,~ \.)5, c, I Þj<- $UfY"I/N:.f-:j cF C Ç-,... r (j <:f- (d- þr('('-\~ pt~f~~~l~ Q!)EENSBUR Y TOWN OFFICE BUILDING ._---~~---- '-- --/ STATION NO.1, 1 FOSTER AVENUE STATION NO.2, AVIATION ROAD Queensbury Central Volunteer Fire Co., Inc. REVIEW OF Mt. Royal Shoppipg Ctr. To: John Goralski, Town Planning Department From: Brian LaFlure, Chief, Queensbury Central Fire Date: July 23, 1990 Re: Preliminary review of Mount Royal Shopping Center Dear John: As you and I discussed last week, there are several items that I think deserve further attention in this plan. 1. The access road must be wider and attention paid to the turn- ing radius of service road. A minimum of 18' width is needed so that fire apparatus may pass should a delivery truck already be on the service road. Also, remember our aerial truck is 41' long and has a 21' outrigger spread. 2. The service road entrance, (north entrance) to Rt. 9 should be wider. (22') Although this is shown a one-way entrance, undoubtedly some one will be trying to corne out as delivery or fire trucks are trying to get in. 3. Although not probably a major concern for fire apparatus, the exit for this plaza at the top of Miller Hill appears to be a traf- fic situation that should be looked at. 4. As shown on your water main layout, the only hydrant for this complex is the existing hydrant on Rt. 9 approximately halfway along the parking lot. If a six inch main is going to be used along the rear of the building, a hydrant along the rear service road, or a wall hydrant in the rear should be supplied. 5. As always, the fire department would like to see this building with a sprinkler system. Thank you in advance for considering these items. The fire depart- ment reserves the right to review this project again as its plans progress. Brian LaFlure ,~ Citizens Advisory Committee on Access for the Handicapped :)~Üwr~/' !~ JUll~O d ·LANNING '~~N'NC DEPARTMENT '--" July 11. 1990 , , . Present: Sue He1ffrich Margo Burrell Joe Denig Nancy Ca1ano Recommendations Re: Site Plan No. 55-90 Guido Passarelli Dear Chairperson: The N.Y.S. Codes, Rules & Regulations' new ruling states that parking spaces should be 8' wide with an 8' wide aisle. Respectfully submitted, Jl~ ¿(~ Nancy Calano, Secretary, on behalf of the Committee cc: Stephen Borgos, Town Supervisor Lee York, Senior Planner Dave Hatin, Code Enforcement Admin. Planning Board Committee ------ ! '-./ '~ TO~N OF QUEENSBURY COMMITTEE FOR COMMUNITY BEAUTIFICATION Robert L. Eddy, Chairman 17 Owen Avenue Queensbury, N. Y. 12801 Mrs. Arthur J. Seney, Secretary 8 Queensbury Avenue Queensbury, N. Y. 12801 To. (x) Warren County Planning Board Date. 7/9/90 (x> Queensbury Town Planning Board ( ) Queensbury Town Zoning Board of Appeals (x> APplicant ,. Re. Site Plan #55-90 Mount Royal Shopping Center Lake George Road We have reviewed the request for. ( ) Variance, (x> Site Plan Review., ( ) Other - and have the following recommendations. (x> Approval ( ) Di sapproval This application has been disapproved by our Committee as data for landscaping, screening and plantings for the above applicant for a Site Flan Review or Variance has not been submitted.ŒExka~~ You and the Building Department will be notified just as soon as plan~ have been approved by us. ~ Respectfully Submitted, ~I. £~ Robert L. Eddy Chairman Several members of the Committee expressed concern that no one appeared for this large projectwhich we believe requires considerable attention prior to it's approval. -: ~ . - -...; TOWN OF QUEENSBURY - Bay at Haviland Road, Queensbury, NY 12804-9725-518-792-5832 Q ~ ~'- ~()à 6~'h ftr- ~::-'/O SITE PLAN REVIEW NO.5:' - TO: Planning Board FROM: N. W. Bodenweiser, Fire Marshal DATE: June 6, 1990 SUB: Fire Lane Accessibility for fire service requires a mlnlmUm of 25 ft. on the north, west and south sides of proposed building. Clearances at corners of building must be a minimum of 35 ft. to allow for local fire service apparatus to maneuver properly. Due to the drawings submitted at this time. the proposal is unacceptable. Ref. 1161 NYS Fire Prevention and Building Code 111' ~~1 N. W. Bodenweiser Fire Marshal "HOME OF NATURAL BEAUTY, . . A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE" SETTLED 1763 . --------- ~ RIST.FROST ASSOCIATES. PC, CONSUL TIN,G ENGINEERS ARCHITECTS SURVEYORS POST OFFICE BOX 838 21 BAY STREET GLENS FALLS , NY 12801 FAX 518.793-4146 518.793-4141 '--" - 'FILE cOPY . . July 20, 1990 RFA #89-5000.055 .U¡;""'I""'~ d~aWf~1~ \~ JUL 231990~ Town of Queensbury Office Building Bay and Haviland Roads Queensbury, NY 12804 »LANNING & ZONINf DEPARTMENT Attn: Mrs. Lee York, Sr. Planner Re: Guido Passarelli, Site Plan 55-90 Dear Mrs. York: We have reviewed the above reference project and have the following comments: 1. Since the project involves sewage flows of greater than 1000 gpd, a NYSDEC SPDES permit will be required. The review may note the foll owing: a. Seepage pits are not recommended in soils with percolation rates faster than 5 min/inch without additional treatment. b. Seepage pits effective diameter is 9' minimum according to the plans. 25 foot center to center minimum separation is required for 8' depth pits. c. A 50' separation distance between sewage disposal and open channel drainage is recommended. d. NYSDEC design loadings for subsurface disposal systems require 15 gpd/employee or 0.1 gpd/sf, whichever is greater, therefore 0.1 gpd/sf should be used. e. Fill systems are not appropriate with seepage pits. Further, if a fill system is used, peat moss can not be used to modify the percolation rate. 2. Handicapped spaces are required to have an 8' wide area between two 8' wide spaces or a minimum of 16' for 1 space. 3. A note indicating that stormwater infiltration basins should be stabil ized with maintenance and repairs provided as necessary should be added. $ GLENS FALLS. NY·LACONIA, NH ----------- ~ ~ Town of Queensbury Attn: Mrs. Lee York Page 2 July 20, 1990 RFA #89-5000.055 4. Stormwater runoff from the parking lot should be directed away from the sewage disposal area. 5. Delivery vehicles may not be able to negotiate the service drive. 6. Building roof drains should be external to avoid any potential of basement flooding from infiltration basin backflow in the event of a piping break in the building. 7. A note should be added that prescribes construction and stabili- zation of the stormwater infiltration basins in advance of any other site work to permit their use in the sediment control plan for construction. Very truly yours, RIST-FROST ASSOCIATES, P.C. V\r, '~n "l ~\Á.~ . /",··,/"-,'v......j Thomas M. mowich, P.E. Project Engi er TMY/cmw cc: Planning Board Members ---.--- .. ~ .. - "--' ...- TOWN OF QUEENSBURY PliI'nning Department .. -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: July 23, 1990 By: Airron Industrial Corp. Area VariaDce U. Variance == Sip VariaDce _ IDterpretatioa Subdiftáoa: Sketch, Prelim' FiDal - - - mary, - X Site P1aD Reflew - Petition for a ChaDge of Zoae - Freshwater WetlaDds Permit Other: Applicatioa Number: Site Plan No. 56-90 Applicant'. Name: Airron Industrial Corp. MeetiDg Date: July 24, 1990 ............................................................................................. The applicant wishes to display and sell heavy equipment. This is an allowable use in the Light Industrial zone. It is my understanding that rubber tire vehicles will be displayed on the concrete driveway, and track vehicles will be displayed on grass area to the north of the house. It should be stipulated in any motion for approval that the proposed fifty foot buffer from Queensbury A venue shall never be cleared. The Board may wish to place conditions on any approval to insure that the property does not become unsightly. Suçh conditions could include: limiting the number of display vehicles; limiting the repair of equipment; limiting the storage of damaged or malfunctioning equipment. Any conditions should be stipulated in the motion. JSG/sed " TOWN OF QUEENS BURY ""-" . n IJ 'l COMMITTEE FOR COMMUNITY BEAUTIFICATION . - .. Robert L. Eddy, Chairman 17 Owen Avenue Queensbur.y. N. Y. l280~ To . (x) Warren County Planning Board (x) Queensbury Town Planning Board ( ) Queensbur,y Town Zoning Board of Appeals (x) Appli cant Mrs. Arthur J. Seney, Secretary a Queensbury Avenue Queensbury, N. Y. lZaO! Date. 7/9/90 Re. Site Plan #56-90 Aiiron Ind. Corp. 145 County Line Road We have reviewed the request for. ( ) Variance, ~) Site Plan Review, ( ) Other - and have the following recommendations. (x> Approval ( ) Di sapproval The giving an best, are pas t . Committee is especially concerned about operations of this type appearance of a junk yard. Used heavy equipment sales areas, at not attractive from experiences the Committee has had in the The applicant has agreed to mow the area north of the house where the equipment will be displayed The applicant has further agreed to plant ~Ubs back from the road and approximately between two fifty foot arrows, a distance of over 100 feet. These shrubs are to be placed a distance of 5 feet on center and can be deciduous or evergreen of: honey suckle, spirea, lilac or such, and can be wild varieties from the property. The point of the plantings is to screen the operation from disinterested passers-by but still may be seen as interested persons proceeding northerly as they pass the house and southerly as they pass the curb cut in the northerly area of the property. In addition to the above landscaping, screening and planting provisions, the Committee wishes to go on record that it does not approve. 1. Non-conforming signs, 2. Plastic or artificial trees, shrubs or flowers. 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(i) _(~ .............¡'J -- (/1 {) , <;;- t '5 -(,¡L ~ t o v E-f ~ í J · l i \ , rl Ú~ .-L-. ._~_ _.._. _... . i, , ¡ I , , , I : i I ---J ......------- ......._-~ o ----eu .;.. -- ... .-.---- o · · i - I I - I ,- 0 II 1 i , I - I ; ;) --,' ~ ...--n - , ,- 4. _J' -i,- ----- ". &. _' ~ ~--'J ~...:::...~ '""":'-; ,~ ' f --- --- .- -.I -" -::.. ') -, . -' .., :... .,-..,.... ~ --C .""\ J - 1,-,/ ..-.. ... " 'J -, :;..-\ ~ .. - --../ TOWN OF QUEENSBURY ..., rn '.! P1J1nni~ Department -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: By: Julv ]8. 1990 Lee A. York Area Variance U. Variance - Sip Variance == Interpretation Other: Subdiftsion: Sketch, _ Pre1imiDary, X Site Plan Reriew - - Petition for a ChaDge of Zone - Freshwater Wet1anda Permit FiDal Applicatioa Number: Site Plan Review No. 57-90 Applicant'. Name: Leonard Fosbrook Meeting Date: Julv 24. ]990 ............................................................................................ The request is to place a modular display home at an exist ing light industrial site. The property is over 8 acres in a Light Industrial I Acre zone. The proposed unit will not have septic or water hookups, only power. Three outdoor lights are proposed. These should be directed away from any traffic areas and it appears they are. The site has 4 parking spaces. The Board should ascertain if this is sufficient for the proposed use. There is a stormwater detention basin adjacent to the parking area. The Town Engineer should determine if this is necessary and sufficient. The project meets all Town of Queensbury zoning requirements and there are no further planning concerns. LAY / pw <' " ~ RIST·FROST ASSOCIATES, PC CONSUL TlNG ENGINEERS ARCHITECTS SURVEYORS POST OFFICE BOX s3a 21 BAY STREET GLENS FALLS 'NY 12801 FAX 518.793-4146 518.793-4141 '-- ~ rIff (nJJV '..I I July 20, 1990 RFA #89-5000.057 Town of Queensbury Office Building Bay and Haviland Roads Queensbury, NY 12804 ..uc....."... . d~UWf~)1. ~ JUL231990~ Attn: Mrs. Lee York, Sr. Planner ~LANNING & ZONINC DEPARTMENT Re: Leonard Fosbrook, Site Plan 57-90 Dear Mrs. York: We have reviewed the above reference project and have the following comments: 1. Stormwater quantity calculations methods are adequate. A detention basin working volume of .062 ac-ft. (2700 cubic feet) should be provided to properly manage the entire site, not the .0062 ac-ft. as indicated in the calculations. The depth of the basin, outlet culvert details and overflow spillway details should be indicated on the drawings and proper stabilization of the basin should also be noted. 2. Existing and proposed parking will be adequate for the proposed office and display home. 3. The proposed office should have an insignificant impact on the existing septic system. 4. Grading information is inadequate to demonstrate that storrowater collection will be coordinated with the detention basin location. Very truly yours, RIST-FROST ASSOÇIATES, P.C. ~'\[ t~ . l ~, u,,^,,,,,~ \c:-,,-"',-- / '\. -1, Thomas M. Yarmbwlch, P.E. Project Enginee~ TMY/crow cc: Planning Board Members @ GLENS FALLS. NY-L-'CONIA, NH " July 11. 1990 ~¡Æ©1åwt- t~ JULlbj¡J90 ~ tLANNING i'~ONIN( DEPARTMeNT Citizens Advisory Committee on Access for the Handicapped ~ 4 .. .. J... ! . .. ~ . - Present: Sue Helffrich Margo Burrell Joe Denig Nancy Calano RecolTlTlendations Re: Site Plan No. 57-90 Leonard Fosbrook Dear Chairperson: It is suggested by the Committee that the display home be accessible to allow for viewing by all people. The new ruling on parking for the disabled is 8' wide with an 81 wide access aisle. Respectfully submitted, 7Î~~ Nancy Calano, Secretary, on behalf of the Committee cc: Stephen Borgos, Town Supervisor Lee York, Senior Planner Dave Hatin, Code Enforcement Admin. Planning Board Committee ------- " TOWN OF QUEENSBURY "-' COMMITTEE FOR COMMUNITY BEAUTIFI CATION -- Robert L. Eddy, Chairman 17 Owen Avenue Queensbury. R. Y. l280¡ Mrs. Arthur J. Seney, Secretary 8 Queensbury Avenue Queensbury, N. Y. 1280~ To. (x) Warren County Planning Board Date. 7/9/90 (x) Queensbur,y Town Planning Board ( ) Queensbur,y Town Zoning Board of Appeals (x) APpli cant Re. Site Plan #57-90 Leonard Fosbrook/ Howland Construction Co. 4 Highland Avenue We have reviewed the request for.( ) Variance, (X) Site Plan Review, ( ) Other - and have the fOllowing recommendations. (x) Approval ( ) Disapproval Howland Construction Company proposes to move in a modular home for display purposes on part of the outdoor storage area of Hollister's Plumbing and Heating. The building will not have any utilities, except electricity. It is likely that after a year or two the building will be sold and another display home will replace it. The lot on which the modular home will be placed will be surrounded on three sides by chain-link fence, continuing the fencing of the remaining outdoor storage area of Hollister's. The office of the modular home business will be in Hollister's present building. The modular homes Howland Construction will be selling will be of the higher class type, so the applicant will install plantings accordingly. The sign, which will be in the crescent formed by the circular driveway will be routed and similar to Hollister's attractive sign. Grass will be planted from'the front of the building forward with Spireae bulmalda, spreading yews and dark american arborvitae planted on either side of the center entrance plus annual flowers. A weed barrier will be placed around plantings, covered by shredded bark or similar. In addition to the above landscaping, screening and planting provisions, the Committee wishes to go on record that it does not approve. 1. Non-conforming signs. 2. Plastic or artificial trees. shrubs or flowers. In approving the above (or attaohed plans), the Committee has the expressed or implied agreement of the applicant to replace immediately dead trees, shrubs or plants. and to give proper maintenance to all plantings. All rubbish containers or dumpsters shall be screened, all plantings shall be mulched and trees shall be retained or planted, as agreed. R~jfUlly~ubmitted, y-~j/ ~ ~~ Robert L. Eddy. Cha~rman ; ._--_._.~. - ~ .. - '--' .._,,,l' TOWN OF QUEENSBURY planning Department -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: Julv 23. 1990 By: Stuart G. Baker Area Vuiaøce Use Variance - Sip Variance == mterpretatioa Other: Subdi9isiOD: Sketch, Pre1imina_ - - -I' X Site Plan Rmew - Petitioa for a CbaDge of Zone - Freshwater WetlaDda Permit Final Applicatioa Number: Site Plan No. 58-90 Applicant's Name: N ancv S. and Peter L. Kudan MeetÏDg Date: July 2.4, 1990 ............................................................................................ The applicants propose construction of a 12. ft. by 2.0 ft. addition to the western side of the existing house. A variance for this project was granted by the Zoning Board of Appeals on June 2.0, 1990. The sanitary sewer system was recently expanded and approved by the Building Department. I have reviewed this application in accordance with Article 5 of the Ordinance, and there does not appear to be any planning concerns. 5GB/sed '> ~ .. - ~ -' TOWN OF QUEENSBURY Pl:anning Department -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: July 23, 1990 By: Lee A. Yark Area Variance Use Variance - Sip Variance == Interpretation Subdi"on: _ Sketch, _ PreJimiDary. X Site Plan Rmew - Petition for a CbaDge of Zone - Freshwater WetlaDda Permit FiDa1 Other: Application Number: Site Plan Review No. 59-:-90 Applicant's Name: Wesley M. Bishop MeetiDø Date: July 24, 1990 ............................................................................................ The request is to double the living space in a Waterfront Residential one acre zone. The plan is to add a second story to the existing nonconforming structure which will contain a bedroom and a family room. The total site plan actually involves two separate parcels which are in si~gle ownership. One, the residence to be enlarged is on the lake side of Sunnyside North Road. The other is across the road and will contain the new leach field as well as a two car garage and rental unit. The Sunnyside area, especially around the lakeshore contains many small homes which were initially constructed as camps. Over the years, these have been upgraded and enlarged for full-time residency. The Bishop site plan indiçates that the structure is fifty feet from the lake. The Bishops water source is from the lot ac.TOSS the road. The house to be modified is cUlTently 630 square feet on a 1,050 square foot lot. The proposal is to add another 630 square feet, bringing the total house square footage to 1,2,60 square feet on a 1.050 square foot lot. The Bishops septic is cUlTently pumped under the road to the back lot, and this situation will remain the same. The Board should establish if the existing septic field will continue to serve the rental unit or be abandoned. Any modification to the roof will require extensive cutting to the mature trees around the house, some of which are not on the applicants property. The requirements for Planning Board approval (Section 5.070) are as follows: A. The use complied with all other requirements of this Ordinance, including the dimensional regulations of the zoning district in which it is proposed to be located; The cUlTent structure and lot is nonconforming in at least 3 ways: side yard setbacks, ,. - -' mInImUm lot width, and shoreline setbacks. The project is before the Board because it is an expansion of this nonconforming structure. B. The use would be in harmony with the general purpose or intent of this Ordinance, specifically taking into account the location, character, and size of the proposed use and the description and purpose of the district in which such use is proposed, the nature and intensity of the activities to be involved in or conducted in connection with the proposed use, and the nature and rate of any increase in the burden on supporting public services and facilities which will follow the approval ~f the proposed use; The Comprehensive Land Use Plan which is the philosophy behind the Ordinances, states that Lake Sunnyside is experiencing a decrease in water quality and a loss of shoreline open space. One of the strategies listed with regard to the water resources is to reduce densities in aquifer recharge areas, and areas of high soil percolation. Another is to reduce potential development intensities in the vicinity of sensitive water resources. Doubling the size of the structures on this size lot is not in harmony with the intent of the Ordinance. C. The establishment, maintenance, or operation of the proposed use would not create public hazards from traffic, traffic congestion, or the parking of vehicles and/or equipment or be otherwise detrimental to the health, safety or general welfare of persons residing or working in the neighborhood or to the general welfare of the Town; and... Added density along Lake Sunnyside adds to the use of the lake which is already experiencing a reduction in quality. D. The project would not have an undue adverse impact upon the natural, scenic, aesthetic, ecological, wildlife, historic, recreational, or open space resources of the Town of the Adirondack Park or upon the ability of the public to provide supporting facilities and services made necessary by the project, taking into account the commercial, industrial, residential, recreational or other benefits that might be derived from the project. Continued expansion of homes on Lake Sunnyside creates cumulative impacts on the aesthetics of the lake, including the natural and scenic qualities, the ecological, wildlife, and recreational use of the lake. The proposal is to create a third bedroom for the residence. A way this can be accomplished is for the front porch to be upgraded and enclosed. LAY/sed -----.- ~ ~ RIST·FROST ASSOCIATES, PC CONSULTING ENGINEERS ARCHITECTS SURVEYORS POST OFFICE BOX 838 21 BAY STREET GLENS FALLS NY 12801 FAX 518 .793-4146 518.793·4141 -- FILE COpy July 20, 1990 RFA #89-5000.059 .u~~,,,...- d~ilWr~1~ .~ JUL 231990~ Town of Queensbury Office Building Bay and Haviland Roads Queensbury, NY 12804 ¡LANNING . lONINe' DEPARTMENT Attn: Mrs. Lee York, Sr. Planner Re: Wesley M. Bishop, Site Plan 59-90 Dear Mrs. York: We have reviewed the above reference project and have the following cOl1lllents: 1. The separation distance between the sewer line and existing well should be 50 ft., as required by DOH regulations. 2. The proposed sewage force main will cross Sunnyside North. Permission from the Town Highway Department should be obtained. Very truly yours, RIST-FROST ASSOCIATES, P.C. ~r l' I . L v, ( . t"--.. I . ,/ ~~.~ "I.VVVV~ :::..þ.,,,~ '" ",_,,/ Thomas M. Yar_~wich, P.E. Project Engin~r, TMY/cmw cc: Planning Board Members e GleNS FALLS. NY·LACONIA, NH . -------~-- .._-- .~ ~ .. - -- - TOWN OF QUEENSBURY Planning Department .. -NOTE TO FILE- Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner Date: By: July 24. 1990 John S. Goralski Area Variance U_ Variance - Sip Variance == lDterpretation Other: Subd.iñdoD: Sketch, Pre1im' - - mary, X Site Plan Rmew - Petition for a Cbauge of Zone - Freshwater WetlaDds Permit FiDaI AppUcatiaD Number: Site Plan Review No. 60-90 AppUcant'. Name: Quick Lube Oil Centers. Owner: David Leman Meetmø Date: Julv 24. 1990 ............................................................................................ Section 5.070(E) lists the standards which should be considered in reviewing a Site Plan. l. The Zoning Board granted a Use Variance to the applicant to allow this use in the Plaza Commercial zone. The applicant has entered into a long term lease agreement with Niagara Mohawk to utilize the adjoining property. This makes for a far superior site plan. The Variance approval is conditioned on the maintenance of the lease agreement. The new building will meet all setback requirements. Signage will conform with the Sign Ordinance, and the site lighting should not impact Route 9 or the neighboring properties. 2. The use of the Niagara Mohawk property and widening of the road cut will make it easier to enter the site. A NYSDOT Permit to widen the curb cut should be obtained. Exiting the site and proceeding south on Route 9 may be difficult. Perhaps a right turn only at the exit would be appropriate. 3. The Zoning Board granted a parking variance to provide nine parking spaces. Several of these will cause the filling of a wet area on the Niagara Mohawk property. The Board should be sure that this filling will not impact existing drainage pattems. 4. The cWTent site cUlTently has zero percent permeable area. The applicant proposes to increase the permeable area, so no variance is required. The increased permeable area should improve storm water drainage. JSG/sed ~--~' ~ ~ RIST·FROST ASSOCIATES, PC CONSULTING ENGINEERS ARCHITECTS SURVEYORS POST OFFICE BOx 838 21 SAY STREET GLENS FALLS NY 12801 FAX 518.793-4146 518.793-4141 -- -' FILE COP'" July 20, 1990 RFA #89-5000.060 Town of Queensbury Office Building Bay and Haviland Roads Queensbury, NY 12804 iJIE©ifiwr~)I, t~ JUl231990~ ¡LANNING & ZONINC DEPARTMENT Attn: Mrs. Lee York, Sr. Planner Re: Quick Lúbe Oil Centers, Site Plan 60-90 Dear Mrs. York: We have reviewed the above reference project and have the following cOlllllents: 1. Green area is not 53% as indicated in the Application, but is approximately 25.6% as shown on the drawing. Total green area calculations include the adjoining leased property. The parcel without the leased property, has approximately 6% green space. 2. The area north of existing site pavement appears to be wet. Wetlands may be present. Part of proposed parking spaces 5, 6, 7 and 8 impact the wet area. 3. A single handicapped parking space width should be 16' . 4. Erosion control measures should be provided as necessary', in accordance with NYS Guidelines for Urban Erosion and Sediment Control. Very truly yours, RIST-FROST ASSOCIATES, P.C. ~I 11" . L ' . .' , , 'i / ,~'v~ tV'" v..../...../".....J Thomas M. YarmdWich, P.E. Project Enginee~ TMY/c_ cc: Planning Board Members e GLENS FALLS. NY·LACONIA. NH July 11, 1990 . ...uc:.........-', ' dIEdilW[~ ~ \~ JUL 171990 ~ .:.ØJ )LANNING a ZONIN( DEPARTMENT F I L E [~_. -.. ,. Citizens Advisory Committee on Access for the Handicapped Present: Sue He1ffrich Margo Burrell Joe Denig Nancy Ca1ano Reconmendations Re: Site Plan No. 60-90 Quick Lube Oil Centers Dear Chairperson: With regards to the designated handicapped parking, access into the building should be in the back as well as the front due to the distance and location of the spaces. Respectfully submitted, 7/~~ Nancy Ca1ano, Secretary, on behalf of the Committee cc: Stephen Borgos, Town Supervisor lee York, Senior Planner Dave Hatin, Code Enforcement Admin. Planning Board Committee ;> TOWN OF QUEENSBURY "-/ COMMITTEE FOR COMMUNITY BEAUTIFICATION -....../ - ~ .,... (~ r"', - - Robert L. Eddy, Chairman 17 Owen Avenue Queensbury, K. Y. l280¡ To. (x) Warren Couty Planning Board (x) Queensbury Town Planning Board ( ) Queensbury Town Zoning Board of Appeals (x) APplicant Mrs. Arthur J. Seney, Secretary 8 Queensbury Avenue Queensbury, N. Y. l280! Date.7/9/90 Re. QuicK Lube Oil Centers, LTD. Sit Plan # 60-90 717 Upper Glen Street We have reviewed the request for.( ) Variance, (x) Site Plan Review, ( ) other - and have the following recommendations. (x) Approval ( ) Disapproval Some of the present structure will be removed most particularly the northwest section which is closest to the highway. This should improve the appearance of the building and provide an area for plantings which will further improve the appearance of this property and the general area. The planting plan as shown on the blue print was approved as submitted. In addition to the above landscaping, screening and planting provisions, the Committee wishes to go on record that it does not approve. 1. Non-conforming signs, 2. Plastic or artificial trees, shrubs or flowers. In approving the above (or attached plans), the Committee has the expressed or implied agreement of the applicant to replace immediately dead trees, shrubs or plants, and to give proper maintenance to all plantings. All rubbish containe~s or dumpsters shall be screened, all plantings shall be mulched and trees shall be retained or planted, as agreed. ~l7.1:¿J/ Robert L. Eddy, chái~ " "-' TOWN OF QU~ENSBURY -' Supplemental application for Special Permits and Use Variances: (to comply with the Zoning Ordinance requirements for: Landscaping, P1antings and Screening) 1. Applicant's name: Street address: City, State, zipi Telephone number: Location of Planned GlIß:G. a<. w a Ii ?o 'i:3~ '3 ,~- L..NTrt-.-.""" N.Y. ì~' -, '3~1 Construction: ort... "'.-'~ c. «-TO. . , '2.1 ~o j~í u~ G~$r. 2. Plot plan: (to a comprehensive scale) Zoning Board application plot plan may be used (or a separate sheet). Skow location of driveways, ramps, walks, buildings, signs, parking areas, storage and refuse areas, existing trees (of six inch caliper (diameter)or greater) and existing tree or shrub border. 3. Landscapina. Planting or Screenina plans: (show on plot plan) Î \I....u.~ Trees and shrubs? Variety and numbers 30 '?~ (~.. s~,.., ~~ ~o'" cs~....n:) Grass or other around cover? Flower beds. planters or window boxes? Mulchina? (material to retain moisture and inhibit weed growth) Marble chips Stone Redwood chips Bark Pine needles Screenina? Storage or refuse areas or unsightly areas? Buffer zone? (required by ordinance abutting residential zone) Maintenance? Give plans for care of all plants, shrubs, trees, lawn, flowers, etc., watering, prining, weeding, feeding and necessary periodical care. Removal or trash and: snow? Indicate plans for litter removal from parking and public areas. Show location on plot plan of trash receptacles and snow storage. 4. Exterior buildina finish? Clapboard? Other? Brick or stone? Painted blocks? Your customers and the community will be attracted to a beautified, well maintained place of business and you and your ~¡eye'8bwil.e'.ke pride in the appearance of your place of business and better serve your customers. Queensbury Committee for Community Beautification .------.-"