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QUEENSBURYPLANNINGBOARD MEETING
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
NOVEMBER 291r,2022
INDEX
Site Plan No.26-2022 Eric Carlson 2.
Freshwater Wetlands 5-2022 Tax Map No.239.12-2-S4
Site Plan No.29-2022 Reds LG LLC 11.
Tax Map No.239.17-1-15
Site Plan No.73-2022 Schermerhorn Residential Holdings 19.
Freshwater Wetlands 1S-2022 Tax Map No.2S9.16-1-5
Site Plan No.75-2022 Loreen Harvey/Kasselman Solar 24.
FURTHER TABLED Tax Map No.266.3-1-76.1
Site Plan No.76-2022 3 Sons and Holly LLC 25.
FURTHER TABLED Tax Map No.239.12-2-57
Site Plan No. 69-2022 Garden World Associates 25.
Petition for Zone Change 5-2022 Tax Map No. 302.5-1-49;302.5-1-50
Site Plan No.74-2022 Steve&Tracey Bureau 30.
Tax Map No.2S9.13-1-7
THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF
REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTH'S MINUTES (IF ANY)
AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES.
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QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
NOVEMBER 29TH 2022
7.00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT
STEPHEN TRAVER,CHAIRMAN
DAVID DEEB,VICE CHAIRMAN
MICHAEL DIXON,SECRETARY
NATHAN ETU
BRADY STARK
WARREN LONGACKER
BRAD MAGOWAN
LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE
STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI
MR.TRAVER-Good evening,ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Town of Queensbury Planning Board
meeting for Tuesday,November 29,2022. This is our second meeting for November and our 24`h meeting
thus far for this year. I'd like to draw your attention to the illuminated exit signs in the building. Those
are the emergency exits in the event that we all have to evacuate for one reason or another. So please make
note of their location. If you have a cell phone or other electronic device,if you would either turn it off or
turn the ringer off so as not to interrupt our proceedings,we'd appreciate that,and we also ask that,aside
from public comment,public hearing,which we do have tonight for every item on the agenda,we ask that
the audience maintain silence. If you want to have a discussion amongst yourselves,if you could just go
to the outer lobby. We do record the audio of the meeting for taking the minutes. So we do appreciate
your silence aside from the public hearing. We have a couple of administrative items this evening. One
is the vote,the Board has to vote on the proposed meeting dates for next year,2023. You'll note that in the
spring,March,April and May,we have draft third meetings. We don't always use them,but at one point
we've found that in the spring, we've come to call that the growing season, we tend to have a lot of
applications in the spring. So we've found that it's easier to propose a third meeting and end up cancelling
it then it is to not have a third meeting and need one and try to organize one. So there are three on there.
We did have a discussion this fall about possibly adding another third meeting,say in October because we
had kind of a busy fall this year, and Staff looked at that and at this point they're not recommending that.
We think we can do that with agenda management. So I would recommend that the Board approve these
dates. Is there any discussion on the proposed calendar? We have a draft resolution for that.
RESOLUTION APPROVING QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD 2023 MEETING DATE CALENDAR
MOTION TO APPROVE CALENDAR YEAR 2023 PLANNING BOARD MEETING DATES.
Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption,seconded by Brad Magowan.
Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker, Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR.TRAVER-Okay,and next I wanted to mention that the second November becomes part of our annual
Board member officer election procedure,in that at our annual meeting,which this year is December 15`h
the Board will vote on the Planning Board Vice Chairman, the Planning Board Secretary and make a
recommendation to the Town Board for the position of Chairman,which is actually an appointed position
by the Town Board, and the procedure was established a few years ago and I'll just read this paragraph so
people understand. As the presiding officer of the Planning Board,the Board Chairperson shall endeavor
to ensure that there is continuity in the leadership of the Board in the form of its officers. By the final
meeting of the month of November, the Chairperson shall poll the current Vice-Chair and Secretary to
ascertain whether they wish to be nominated to serve for another term.At the final meeting of the month
of November, the Chairperson shall announce their own intentions as to whether they wish to serve
another term a Chairperson. Any officer willing to serve another term will be placed in nomination by the
Secretary at the Annual Meeting prior to the vote.Also note that at the Annual Meeting,prior to any voting,
the floor will also be open to any additional nominations for any office to be voted upon. So tonight I have
spoken with both David and Michael they are willing to serve, as am I, another term. So we will be,
according to the policy,we will be added on the vote and will take nominations also from the floor at our
December 15`h annual meeting. Also December 15 we are having some training provided by the Town,and
I ask all Board members to please be here at 5 p.m. rather than 7. We're going to have an important
discussion with Town Counsel from five to six thirty regarding a couple of issues,conflict of interest and,
what's the other one,Laura? Conflict of interest and? Well,in any case,it's an update to some issues that
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we've been dealing with and it's very important that we take advantage of that to ask questions and so on
of counsel and get some updated training. Also for the public to be aware,the room will not be open to the
public that evening until 6:30 so that we can conduct that training. Any questions by members of the
Board regarding that? All right. With that, we'll go to the regular agenda. The first section is Tabled
Items, and the first item is Eric Carlson. This is Site Plan 26-2022 and Freshwater Wetlands Permit 5-
2022.
TABLED ITEMS:
SITE PLAN NO. 26-2022 FRESHWATER WETLANDS 5-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. ERIC
CARLSON. AGENT(S): EDP (CHRIS KEIL). OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING:
WR. LOCATION: 67 BRAYTON LANE. (REVISED) APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH
AN EXISTING HOME AND DETACHED GARAGE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW HOME WITH A
FOOTPRINT OF 3,381 SQ. FT. WITH AN ATTACHED GARAGE. NEW FLOOR AREA TO BE
6.,033 SQ. FT. THE PROJECT INCLUDES STORMWATER MANAGEMENT,ALTERATION OF
A SHARED DRIVEWAY AND PARKING ARRANGEMENT, AS WELL AS GRADING AND
EROSION CONTROL. THE HOUSE IS TO HAVE 3 BEDROOMS. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-
3-040,179-6-065,147 CHAPTER 94,NEW FLOOR AREA IN A CEA,HARD SURFACING WITHIN
50 FT. OF THE SHORELINE, A NEW STRUCTURE WITHIN 50 FT. OF 15% SLOPES, WORK
WITHIN 100 FEET OF WETLANDS,AND DRIVEWAY OF 10% SLOPE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO
PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SEP 241-2019,AV 20-
2022. WARREN CO.REFERRAL: MAY 2022. SITE INFORMATION: APA,LGPC,CEA. LOT
SIZE: 1.25 ACRES. TAX MAP NO.239.12-2-84. SECTION: 179-3-040,179-6-065,147 CHAPTER
94.
NICK ZEGLEN,REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS.MOORE-So the applicant proposes to demolish the existing home and detached garage to construct
anew home with a footprint of 3,3SI square feet with an attached garage. The new floor area will be 6,033
square feet. The project includes stormwater management, alteration of a shared driveway and parking
arrangement as well as grading and erosion control. In regards to the variance that was granted on
November 16`h by the Zoning Board,this included the garage location as well as a stormwater device from
the lake as well as the wetland.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. ZEGLEN-Good evening. Nick Zeglen with Environmental Design Partnership and the applicant,
Eric Carlson, is also in attendance tonight. We're here tonight seeking Site Plan approval for
improvements to the applicant's property at 67 Brayton Lane. The applicant is proposing to remove the
existing dwelling, detached garage and shed on the property and construct a new dwelling with an
attached garage. This new dwelling will be located further away from the lake,beyond the 50 foot setback,
whereas the existing structure is 43 feet from the lake. Also part of the site improvements will be
alterations to the existing gravel driveway that runs through the property that provides access to the
adjacent neighbors,as well as landscaping and planting will be added and on site stormwater management
is proposed for the property where no stormwater management currently exists on the developed property.
We did receive three variances two weeks ago for the side yard setback of that detached garage, as was
mentioned, 14 feet versus the 25 feet required and the two stormwater infiltration devices, 50 feet from
Lake George and 50 feet from the off-site wetland on the adjacent property. With that I'll turn it over to
the Board with any questions. Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. The question I normally ask is, in your discussion with the ZBA regarding the
variances,were there any changes to the plans since the last time we met?
MR.ZEGLEN-So the original plans had the garage side yard setback at six feet. After going through some
discussion with the Zoning Board,they had concerns about that distance. We went back to the drawing
board, so to speak, and revised that garage to shift it further to that 14 feet, kind of changed around the
foyer area and everything, as well as there were concerns from the Board regarding specifically the
stormwater device that was 50 feet from Lake George being behind the retaining wall. So we did go back
and re-work that grading and we have two smaller retaining walls and the stormwater devices are actually
terraced now. So runoff will go through the first device and have an overflow structure that will go to the
second terraced wall and that was also going through the design process, re-working the site to work
better at the discretion of the Zoning Board.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Questions,comments from members of the Board?
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MR.MAG OWAN-I just want to thank you for doing that. I like the new proposed design,along with the
14 feet. I can see that making them happier for zoning. Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-We do have a public hearing on this application as well, and we will open that and ask if
there's anyone in the audience that wanted to address the Planning Board on this application,Site Plan 26-
2022,Freshwater Wetlands application 5-2022? Yes,ma'am.
PUBLIC HEARING OPEN
LORI SHAY
MS. SHAY-Good evening. My name is Lori Shay. I'm actually the northbound neighbor of Mr. Carlson.
I've written to the planning committee when I submitted my letter to the Zoning Board. I have reviewed
the newplans. I'm aware of the changes that they've made, and I still have some concerns. Mr. Carlson's
plan is moving a road that's going to eliminate and destroy the buffer that is in a wetlands area to move the
road. That's Number One. His grading plans will undermine the wall that has been there for S0 years
that is half his wall and half my wall,that's been there for that much time. His grading will undermine it
on my side and will need to be repaired, at a minimum,to fix it or replace it,based on how his stormwater
management was set up. He has a porch on my side which is the north side, and his drains are going
perpendicular to my property and stopping exactly at the base of this wall that's the corner of my property
and his property, okay. The water will run along the base of the wall and it will,it should be re-directed
in the other direction. The wall that he has that runs perpendicular he's taking down. So his grading is
completely changing. It isn't being,on my side of the property. It's going into stormwater management.
Okay. So the front of his property has stormwater management that the Zoning Board approved which is
two planters on the garage side,the south side and the north side west of his tanks. He has them closer
to the driveway and in the form of two grass depressions with stone reservoirs that are in that space
between the house and the driveway. There's a swale out and a ditch putting water from the north planter
to the grass depression which would be fine except for his roof isn't going to have any gutters around it.
Okay. He's going to have valleys which will concentrate the water when it drops off his house and will
overflow those planters in that stormwater management system. As a result,that will flow, again,to the
north side of the property where he has a stormwater management. There is water that is already wet on
that side as it currently exists. So my property,his stone wall that he's ripping down,is a little higher than
my current wall that we share. That whole wall is coming down and I don't think he has an adequate
system to basically take that water and move it away. Rather I think it's going to push towards my
property.
MR. TRAVER-So let me ask a question that other Board members may have as well. The stonewall that
you reference,that he's taking down,that's on your property?
MS.SHAY-That's on his property. That's perpendicular to his property. I have a stonewall that's original
that runs along that side, his wall, my wall, and mine loops all the way around to the north side of my
property. That original wall that my dad added on to 30 years ago, or 20 years ago when he re-built his
house,is original wall. The wall that goes to the north side all has drainage that my dad put in when he
made the new wall. The wall on Carlson's side,that he and I share and he abuts,has no type of drainage
at all in it.
MR. TRAVER-I guess that's what I want to make sure that I understand. When you say that you share
the wall,how can you share a wall that's on his property?
MS. SHAY-It sits on the property line.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MS. SHAY-Okay. That's where it sits.
MR. TRAVER-So part of the wall is on your property?
MS. SHAY-Yes. Okay, and it's original wall that kind of goes back five or ten feet and it kind of parallels
that whole entire area that's elevated at Carlson's house right now that's all going to betaken down. His
wall is coming down. So all of that area is not going to be graded. It's going to be well lower than what
our wall currently exists.
MR.TRAVER-One of the pieces of information you should be aware of is that our understanding regarding
stormwater, and it sounds like one of the primary issues you have with stormwater,is there is little or no
stormwater management on the property currently.
MS. SHAY-There isn't,but he has a wall.
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MR. TRAVER-What I was about to say is that he's proposing stormwater management that's under
review by the Town Designated Engineer.
MS. SHAY-Okay.
MR. TRAVER-And the regulations require that no stormwater runoff leave the property.
MS. SHAY-Okay.
MR. TRAVER-So he has to get an approval of the engineer that these stormwater features will function.
Otherwise he will not be able to get his.
MS. SHAY-Right. I have no doubt that they will actually function, but I think that what he's putting
there, added on to how he's doing his roof with no gutters,will overflow this, and there's going to be too
much on an area that's already wet now. I turned my sprinkler system off on that side of the property,
down by the water because it's a swamp,like even with just regular rainwater, and my dad has the drip
system and the rocks around our house. I know it's wet there already. My concern is it will undermine
that wall, and that wall will come down because it doesn't have, my dad didn't re-do that wall. That's
original wall.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Anything else?
MS. SHAY-No. Thank you.
MR.TRAVER-Thank you. Is there anyone else in the audience that wanted to address the Planning Board
on this application? Yes,sir.
CHRIS NAVITSKY
MR. NAVITSKY-Good evening. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chris Navitsky, Lake George Waterkeeper.
I have questions regarding the wetlands and how they were delineated, and whether that delineation was
actually approved by the APA. I did submit a copy of the Warren County community map which does
show the wetland, shows it extending. These are the APA wetlands, on the County's maps. That show
them extending much farther into the property. I questioned the ZBA how the variance could be granted
without the approval by the wetland agency or the APA. I also question how a Freshwater Wetlands
permit can be reviewed if the wetland delineation has not been approved by the APA. This application
fails to comply with the 75 foot protective buffer,the wetlands under 179-6-050. This plan clears to within
14 feet of the wetland for a driveway that is actually not even necessary and is proposed as a convenience.
For this plan to proceed,a special cutting plan must be provided to show the existing vegetation,one inch
in diameter with trees, the proposed cutting plan and the proposed re-vegetation plan. These are all
requirements under 179-6-050b. The Planning Board may approve this plan if it finds that the natural
vegetation is preserved as far as practicable and where it is removed it is replaced with other vegetation
that is equally effective at retarding runoff. So there really is no re-vegetation proposed there except grass,
and we all know grass is not as well at reducing runoff as trees and a forest. Also there is no shoreline
buffering planting and it's just shown as a lawn to the lake. There are some trees that will be shielding the
retaining walls that they're building at 50 feet from the lake,but nothing along the shoreline. That's where
we want a shoreline buffer. I mean it's a lawn to the lake, and that's a big concern because we know in
this area that there are harmful algae blooms that are being experienced. The previous speaker talked
about the discharge from the stormwater pipe from a raingarden that goes, you can't see it, but that
property to the right side, actually I don't know why a stormwater drain would go to the property line.
That shouldn't be, and where she was referencing,right in that area,if you go to Sheet Five, they show a
two foot cut in that area, and that's where she's talking about that existing retaining wall being
undermined. So I think that that's a concern as well, and we do have questions about the retaining walls
that are being proposed supporting the stormwater devices,but they also show foundation drains. Where
are those foundation drains going? Will they be really short circuiting the stormwater that's supposed to
be infiltrated but will be captured by the foundation drain. So I think that there are some questions, and
really we need to find out where that wetland truly is. Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Is there anyone else that wanted to address the Planning Board on this
application? Are there written comments,Laura?
MRS. MOORE-There are written comments. So this was a comment back on May 16`h of 2022. It says,
"Dear Mr. Traver and Board members: I live on Assembly Point at 66 Bay Parkway,Lake George,NY. The
unique thing about the Carlson proposal is that the Carlson lot is larger than most on Assembly Point,even
though its configuration is unusual.. Nevertheless, there are two aspects that are concerning about the
site plan. First,the infiltration devices are too close to the Lake. Given the 150/o slope it is important to
relocate these devices. Possibly, a good stormwater management could assist the Carlsons in pulling the
infiltration devices back from the Lake. Second, the height of the garage is way out of line with Town
Code. From the architectural design,it appears that there will be room for a second floor in the garage
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that could accommodate additional bedrooms. This will change the FAR ratio. I ask the Board members
to table this proposal and ask for revisions for the infiltration devices and clarification on the garage design.
Yours sincerely, Lorraine Ruffing Assembly Point Water Quality Coalition" And as noted it was written
in May. There are other comments. Chris had written a letter and then Lori Shay spoke. She had written
letters in July, and then these,the following. I believe these are all the same letter. This one's addressed
to Craig. "I'm writing in connection with a planned project for 67 Brayton Lane that my neighbors Eric
and Donna Carlson, have submitted for review and approval. I am the owner of one of the properties
adjacent to the Carlsons',69 Brayton Lane. I have seen the plans for their project and have discussed them
with the Carlsons. For the record, I have no issues with what they have submitted for approval and,
should you approve their project, I look forward to being situated next door to a beautiful home on the
lake. Should you or your colleagues need to reach me regarding this matter, please feel free to call me.
Sincerely,Amy Knapp" This is addressed to Craig. "My wife Chris and I live at 73 Brayton Lane. We are
Eric and Donna's neighbors. We would like to send you a quick note of endorsement of Eric and Donna
Carlson's project at 67 Brayton Lane. We believe the plans look wonderful and will fit perfectly with the
character of the neighborhood. If you have any questions regarding our endorsement,please feel free to
contact me by email or phone. Scott Carroll" This is,"My name is Stephen O'Leary. Myself and my wife
are the owners of 77 Brayton Lane, Queensbury. I would like to take a moment to voice my support for
the construction project proposed by Eric and Donna Carlson at 67 Brayton Lane. If approved, and
completed,the project would provide a welcome improvement to our neighborhood. Thank you for your
time and consideration. Steve O'Leary" This is"Good morning. My name is Lee Kruger and our residence
is at 6 Morton Dr., Lake George. Our neighbor, Donna Carlson, is trying to get approval for a Planning
Board project. We are fine with her project and do not have any issues with it. Thanks so much for your
time,Lee Kruger." And that's it.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. So with that we will close the public hearing on this application.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-So you heard a good deal of public comment, a lot of concern about stormwater
management. Certainly concern about the lakefront buffer which is an issue that we've been trying to
address,especially in recent years. Do you want to try to address some of that?
MR.ZEGLEN-Yes. So first off,the wetlands were delineated by my office,EDP,for the adjacent property
owner. The flags are still out there today. Two weeks ago our wetlands biologist did go out there and
confirm the flags, confirm the wetlands were there in the location shown, and they are accurate on our
plan. So that was confirmed by our wetland biologist.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So the wetlands,the flagging of the wetlands was not formally approved by APA or
DEC or any governmental body. You had it done by a professional in your office.
MR. ZEGLEN-We had originally had the wetlands delineated professionally in our office, yes. I don't
know for certain if it was,it was for a different project, so I don't know for certain if it was approved by
the APA or not. I know that if this project does move forward it will be reviewed by the APA. If they
have not,it will get their input. At this point,this late in the year,we couldn't get the APA to come out a
take a look now. They just don't do the site visits at this time of the year. So that's kind of where that
stands.
MR. TRAVER-So you recognized that it would be significant to have the APA approve the delineation of
the wetlands but you were just not able to do it.
MR. ZEGLEN-Correct.
MR. TRAVER-What about the shoreline buffer?
MR. ZEGLEN-So currently there is next to no buffer on this shoreline. So we have proposed additional
plantings in that shoreline buffer, which is on Sheet Seven, and we would be open to adding additional
shoreline plantings should that be deemed necessary. I know that the Town Code, I just did some quick
calculations,requires 273 plants over here on the shoreline,which is a lot of plants,and we currently have
proposed,based on my quick calcs, about 106 plants within that area,another large tree and other trees to
remain,but like I said, we're open to adding more plants along the shoreline because we understand the
importance of this.
MR. TRAVER-How many plants according to Code,by your calculations?
MR.ZEGLEN-By my calculation,and in the Staff Notes,it was 93 native shrubs and 1S3 herbaceous plants.
MR. TRAVER-And some trees as well. Right?
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MR. ZEGLEN-Yes, and seven large trees. So we're keeping the one large tree that's there and adding
another large tree within that 35 foot setback.
MR. TRAVER-And you're looking for approval for that buffer as opposed to what the Code requires?
MR. ZEGLEN-That's correct. And then next I just want to touch on the stormwater,because I did hear
the concerns from the neighbor to the north, and the last thing we want to do is damage any wall,
especially, you know, it's a shared wall and Mr. Carlson did not want to damage his own wall. The
stormwater management was reviewed and approved by the Town Designated Engineer. This is a Major
stormwater project in the Town of Queensbury. So that means we had hydro CAD models of both pre and
post development conditions, and since this was a previously developed project and has no stormwater,
again,it has concerns with stormwater now,but we took steps to address those issues. One of the things
we do in our model when there is previous development,is we model the whole site as a wooded site. So
we don't even take the existing impervious into account for our pre versus post comparison. So that's
another thing we do, and another thing that I looked at was the grading between the two property lines,
and I will say that Mr. Carlson's existing finished floor is about Elevation 353 and a half,and the driveway
elevation of the neighbor to the north is 335. So that house is higher, and there is a swale in between. I
think where the issue actually happens,existing right now,is that runoff goes down that swale and it does
hit the retaining wall that's perpendicular on Mr. Carlson's site and that we are proposing to remove and
hits that retaining wall and it does go over to the property to the north. So by removing that retaining
wall I feel that we're giving any overflow from the stormwater device a path down Mr. Carlson's property
and not onto the neighbor to the north's property.
MR. TRAVER-And where does it go when it goes down the Carlson property?
MR. ZEGLEN-It first goes to a stormwater management device, two management devices, one for each
corner of the roof.
MR. TRAVER-And that's the device that's within 50 feet of the lake?
Mr.ZEGLEN-That's correct. One of them is within 50. Obviously the one closer to the lake if that house
50 feet from the lake,that stormwater device is 50 feet from the lake.
MR.TRAVER-You mentioned the Town Designated Engineer review and approval,but my reading of their
letter states, and I'll just read it. "It should be noted that the revised plans include a new infiltration
stormwater facility, stormwater management area S. In accordance with 147-11(3)(c){4} that states in
part: "Infiltration devices for major projects shall be l ocated a minimum of 100 feet from Lake George...."SMA S is within
50 feet of Lake George. Sheet 4 indicates the project sponsor is seeking a variance for the infiltration
device setback. If the variance is not granted,additional site plan review may be required." So do you have
any response to that 100 feet versus.
MR. ZEGLEN-So, yes, that's kind of what I alluded to earlier is previously, we had actually gotten the
approval with the original stormwater design before we re-worked it, and when we re-worked it we did
split it into two devices. So I think that's what they're alluding to. This was prior to getting the variance
approval. I think they're just saying if the approval was not granted it would have to be re-looked at,the
stormwater design would have to be re-designed and re-looked at by LaBella.
MR. TRAVER-Other questions,comments from members of the Board?
MR. DEEB-What about gutters?
MR.ZEGLEN-I don't believe that gutters are proposed but we have drainage swales so that all four corners
will be directed to stormwater devices.
MR. LONGACKER-Is that what the overflow pipes are for?
MR.ZEGLEN-The overflow pipes are in the stormwater devices. Those overflow pipes would convey any
excess rain from a large storm to convey to the planting beds that are down within the shoreline buffer.
So it's kind of like the second form of treatment. Any overflow in stormwater devices would go to these
planted areas.
MR. DEEB-Well would gutters help the stormwater situation?
MR. ZEGLEN-Honestly they would convey it to the devices quicker. If you have overlay flow it will go
across the grass and get a little pre-treatment before going into the stormwater devices.
MR. DEEB-It couldn't hurt.
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MR.ZEGLEN-If gutters are requested then we will add gutters in those corners. I just have to check with
the architect.
MR. DEEB-The shoreline buffers, it's recommended that you get your plantings more in line with the
recommendations of the Town.
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes.
MR.DEEB-I really believe that's the best form,we get that shoreline buffer up to snuff,where it should be.
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes we can do that.
MR. TRAVER-Now adding gutters is going to alter,to some degree,your stormwater management plan.
correct? So would that not need to be re-reviewed? I guess that's a question for Staff. Would we want
the engineer to re-evaluate stormwater with the change to the plans?
MR. LONGACKER-You did hydro CADs. I'm assuming that you already accounted for the roof runoff
across the areas.
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes.
MR. LONGACKER-So like the applicant said,it was a matter of timing for the water to get there.
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes, it gets there quicker through the gutters than it does through vegetated grass swales
and overlay flow. So that's kind of why we like having it like that.
MR. DEEB-So you feel that not having gutters would slow it down?
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes.
MR. DEEB-And would be more effective?
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes.
MR. DEEB-I'm fine with that. I thought that gutters would mitigate the stormwater.
MR. TRAVER-My experience is the gutters tend to manage the stormwater a little better than just having
it run off,and I admit I'm not an engineer.
MR. DEEB-I'm not either,but he is.
MR. DIXON-Mr. Deeb had talked about shoreline buffer and you were interested in improving the
shoreline buffer?
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes,we can add additional plantings.
MR. DIXON-Code compliant? Is that what your goal is, to put enough plantings in where you're Code
compliant?
MR. ZEGLEN-Like I said,it's a significant amount of plantings. In the past on projects we've had, added
a good amount. I don't know if I have been part of one that's gone all the way up to the Code compliant
with,like I said,273 plants.
MR. TRAVER-We have to protect the lake. I mean,you know,it's part of the lakefront living. We need
to do whatever you can do,particularly,as the Waterkeeper pointed out,we have had some HAB's in that
area,and,you know,the only way to stop it is really to control runoff and management. So I certainly feel
that compliance with the Code, at a minimum,should be required. So I guess, again,the question would
be asked,would you come into compliance with that 35 foot buffer as it's described?
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes,we will.
MR. DEE&We're going to need specifics.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. So we want an updated.
MR. DEE&Well,we've come close to it here.
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes,we have the numbers.
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MR. TRAVER-Other questions,comments from members of the Board?
MR. DEEB-Laura,do wetlands have to be delineated by APA?
MRS. MOORE-I would put it as a condition.
MR. DEEB-But do they have to do that with the APA?
MR. TRAVER-Well,the condition would be that they be surveyed by APA and if there were changes that
affected the site plan.
MRS. MOORE-Right. So the APA would confirm the delineation,confirmation that the delineation that
the applicant provided is still standing. I'd have to look back. I would believe that the previous application
that was part of,that was an APA delineated wetland.
MR. DEEB-That's a good condition,then I feel.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So,getting back to the buffer,we're looking at seven, a total of seven trees at three
inches in diameter. You say that there's one there now?
MR. ZEGLEN-There's one there now, and we have one proposed currently.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So that would be.
MR. DEEB-Add five more.
MR.TRAVER-Add five more,right,five more of the trees. Then 91 native shrubs,and 13 herbaceous plants.
MRS. MOORE-So if you're looking for the applicant to be Code compliant,IS2.
MR. TRAVER-I'm looking at your analysis from the Staff Notes on the project site.
MRS. MOORE-So the shoreline buffer would be seven large trees total.
MR. TRAVER-Right.
MRS. MOORE-Ninety-one native shrubs and 1S2 herbaceous plants. That's 13 times 14.
MR. DIXON-So in the resolution I was looking to just have them submit a Code compliant updated plan.
MRS. MOORE-That's fine.
MR. TRAVER-I think it might be an advantage to be specific in numbers.
MRS. MOORE-Well,Code compliant would be meeting these numbers.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MRS. MOORE-So if you were to not have it Code compliant in the sense, this is the guideline. Do you
want to maximize the guideline or do you want a percentage of that guideline to be met?
MR. DEEB-I'd like to see it maximized.
MRS. MOORE-It's up to the Board.
MR. DEEB-I think he agreed to that.
MR. TRAVER-Yes, and then you would want to,rather than.
MRS. MOORE-Yes, up to you. So the new plan, as part of this application, would come in with that
updated planting plan as part of their plans,but that's up to the Board.
MR. TRAVER-My personal feeling is that it should be updated and reflected in the plan, at the very least
the final plan they submit to you. Whether we need to table the application and wait for us to review it
again,I guess is another matter. I think since the applicant's representative has said that they will come
into compliance, I think that that's sufficient, provided there's a condition that the, an updated plan
reflecting those conditions be submitted to you. How do other Board members feel?
MR. DEEB-I'm fine with the condition. There has to be maximum compliance.
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MR. TRAVER-Right.
MR. DIXON-Well,compliance is compliance.
MR. DEE&Well,no,it's just recommendation.
MR. TRAVER-Yes,I would say,if we could,I would like the resolution to reflect the numbers,seven large
trees,three inches in diameter, 91 native shrubs and 1S2 herbaceous plants, specifically in the buffer area.
And then you have the wetland delineation condition.
MR. DEEB-And the gutters.
MR. TRAVER-Well, my instinct is that it should be there because that's what we've typically seen on
applications, but as to whether or not what the representative is suggesting that it's actually a
disadvantage to have gutters is something I have not heard before but on the other hand I'm not qualified
to necessarily disagree.
MR. DEEB-For stormwater management, would it be better to have the stormwater slower infiltrated,
rather than faster?
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes. I guess it all depends on what type of stormwater device is receiving the runoff. In
one instance we have a swale that's carrying flows to a shallow grass depression. In another instance we
have a raingarden that is receiving flows from the roof. So it really is on a case by case basis. I don't want
to make a big,generalized statement about gutters.
MR. TRAVER-And how does the Board feel about the Stormwater Management Area No. S within 50 feet
of the lake where 100 feet is, shall be located a minimum of 100 feet from Lake George. This is from the
Town Designated Engineer.
MRS. MOORE-So the variance was already granted for that setback.
MR. DEEB-Yes,they have their variance for that.
MR. TRAVER-I thought that was for the other.
MRS. MOORE-So it's both for the wetland and the lake.
MR. DEEB-The variance.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Anything else from members of the Board? I guess when you're ready we have that
resolution.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#26-2022 FWW 5-2022 ERIC CARLSON
The applicant has submitted an application the Planning Board:(Revised)Applicant proposes to demolish
an existing home and detached garage to construct a new home with a footprint of 3,3SI sq. ft. with an
attached garage.Newfloor area to be 6,033 sq.ft.The project includes stormwater management,alteration
of a shared driveway and parking arrangement,as well as grading and erosion control.The house is to have
3 bedrooms. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040, 179-6-065, 147 chapter 94, new floor area in a CEA, hard
surfacing within 50 ft.of the shoreline,a new structure within 50 ft.of 150/o slopes,work within 100 feet of
wetlands, and driveway of 100/o slope shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning
Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren
County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals on 5/17/2022-1 the ZBA
approved the variance on 7/20/2022-1
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 5/26/2022 and continued the
public hearing to 11/29/2022,when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments
made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 11/29/2022;
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The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 26-2022 &z FRESHWATER WETLANDS 5-2022 ERIC
CARLSON,- Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1) Waivers requested granted:h. signage,n traffic,o. commercial alterations/construction details,s.
snow removal as it is reasonable to request a waiver as these items are typically associated with
commercial projects;
2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for
requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired;
3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall
be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff,
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the Wastewater
Department for its review, approval,permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not
be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of
Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor
plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site
improvements;-
f) If required,the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES
General Permit from Construction Activity"prior to the start of any site work.
b. The project NOT(Notice of Termination)upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff:
i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water
Pollution Prevention Plan)when such a plan was prepared and approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General
Permit,or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project if required.
g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and
Codes personnel;
h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work;
i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans
1) Shoreline buffer to be Code compliant with seven large trees at three inch diameter;91 native
shrubs and 13 herbaceous plants, for a total of 182. An updated planting plan will be
submitted to the Town prior to any site work. Shoreline buffer will be added to the plans as
part of the final plans.
m) APA to confirm delineation of wetlands prior to any site work.
Motion seconded by Brady Stark. Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following vote:
MRS.MOORE-Before you call the vote,in reference to the shoreline buffer,that should be part of the final
plan set,versus prior to any site work.
MR. DIXON-1 missed that.
MR. TRAVER-She's saying that the buffering should be added to the plans as part of the final submission.
MRS. MOORE-So you had indicated prior to any site work.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MRS. MOORE-Sorry. I need it as part of the final plan set.
MR. DIXON-Part of the plans.
MR. TRAVER-Yes,to be submitted.
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MR.DIXON-We'll addend Item L to include Shoreline buffer will be added to the plans as part of the final
plans.
AYES: Mr. Dixon, Mr. Longacker,Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR.TRAVER-The next item on our agenda is also under Tabled Items. This is unapproved development.
This is Reds LG LLC, Site Plan 29-2022.
SITE PLAN NO. 29-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. REDS LG LLC. AGENT(S): EDP (NICK
ZEGLEN). OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: WR. LOCATION: 7, 9 &z 13
NUTLEY LANE. (REVISED) THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO COMPLETE ALTERATIONS TO
TWO EXISTING DWELLING UNITS ON THE SITE AND REDUCTION OF 7 NUTLEY LANE TO
AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SITE WORK HAD STARTED ON ALL THREE BUILDINGS
PRIOR TO REVIEW. ALTERATIONS INCLUDE 7 NUTLEY LANE NOW REDUCED TO 330 SQ.
FT. ALTERATIONS TO 9 NUTLEY LANE 704 SQ. FT. FOOTPRINT WITH TWO BEDROOMS
AND KITCHEN FLOOR AREA OF 1,408 SQ.FT.,NEW OPEN DECK OF 440 SQ.FT.—WALKOUT
AREA BELOW ; INTERIOR ALTERATIONS FOR 13 NUTLEY LANE EXISTING FLOOR AREA
2,053 SQ. FT. WITH FOUR BEDROOMS. PROJECT INCLUDES GRASS DEPRESSION AREAS,
SHORELINE PLANTINGS, CONSTRUCTION OF A ROCK WALL WITH STEPS AND
REDUCTION OF HARD SURFACING. PROJECT SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN FOR NEW FLOOR
AREA FOR 7 NUTLEY LANE, EXPANSION OF NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE FOR 9
NUTLEY LANE, HARD SURFACING WITHIN 50 FT. OF THE SHORELINE. PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 179-3-040,179-6-065,147,SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND
APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SEP 37-2021,AV 21-2022. WARREN CO.REFERRAL: MAY
2022. SITE INFORMATION: APA,LGPC,CEA. LOT SIZE: 0.53 ACRES. TAX MAP NO.239.17-
1-15. SECTION: 179-3-040,179-6-065,179-6-050, 179-13-010,147.
NICK ZEGLEN,REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-So this application is alterations of two existing dwelling units on the site and reduction
of a 7 Nutley Lane to an accessory structure. I won't go through the square footages,but I will identify
that the variance was granted where 7 Nutley Lane would be reduced with no kitchen,bathroom or deck,
and the building size is reduced to 330 square feet. A height variance was not required. It was noted as
13 feet S inches. Nine Nutley Lane received setback variances, and in reference to 7 and 9, expansion of a
non-conforming structure was received, and I just note on the summary the project work on the site
includes stormwater management and shoreline plantings.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Here we go with Reds LG.
MR. ZEGLEN-For the record, Nick Zeglen with Environmental Design Partnership and the applicant,
Tom Ensslin, is also here tonight. So I'm here tonight seeking site plan approval for unapproved
development at the applicant's property at Nutley Lane. So the existing property consists of three
properties,7,9 and 13 Nutley Lane. The structure closest to the lake,13 Nutley,interior renovations were
performed only on that structure. Nine Nutley the existing deck off of this structure was removed and
replaced in a larger footprint of the deck without any approvals, permit or site plan approval and the 7
Nutley structure,which has been the topic of a lot of the discussion,there was a lot of back and forth about
what this structure was,was it previously a cabin,was it shed? We did have a survey from 1996 showing
it as a small wood frame cabin,but that survey showed it in a different location and a different footprint.
So we treated this 7 Nutley structure as new construction and went for a variance for an accessory
structure. Since that point we have gone through the review process with the Zoning Board of Appeals
and as Laura mentioned we did get variance approvals for three variances,the side yards on both sides of
the 9 Nutley deck, as well as approval of the accessory structure which is 7 Nutley. So that 7 Nutley
structure will not be used for habitable space. It will be storage use only,none of the proposed deck,no
bathroom,kitchen or bedroom,storage only. Also part of the site improvements to this property that we
have proposed is a reduction in the impervious area down below the existing, cleaning up a lot of the
unnecessary driveway on this property and what not. I will note that we had removed the asphalt path
that was shared between the two properties down to the shore, and the neighbor has requested that we
leave that in place for use. So we will leave that,because we currently have that shown as being removed.
So we won't be removing that. We've also provided on-site stormwater management for the property that
wasn't there previously as well as shoreline buffering and plantings, and the applicant did recently put in
a new engineered septic system in the last,I think it was 2020 or 2019. So just to sum it up,the applicant
understands the wrongdoing in building without permits and approvals and we hope that the site
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improvements that we are proposing at this point outweigh the negative impacts of this unapproved
development. With that I'll turn it back over for any questions.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Questions,comments from members of the Board?
MR. MAGOWAN-Well before Chris comes up,talk about the shoreline buffering.
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes. So this one we have proposed shoreline plantings at the buffer. So the large trees
required are four total. We have three existing and one proposed. So we do meet that requirement.
Native shrubs required is 56. We have three shrubs proposed and the herbaceous plants required is 12
and we have 66 plants proposed.
MR. DEEB-That brings it up to capacity?
MR. ZEGLEN-No,that does not come up to the full compliance.
MR. DEEB-How many short are you?
MR. ZEGLEN-So we are,the large trees we meet. We are about 500/o plants and we are about 50 shrubs
short of the required.
MR. DEEB-I recommend we get up to maximum.
MR. ZEGLEN-I concur,yes.
MR. DEEB-Okay.
MR. TRAVER-So there's another,do you need the numbers?
MR. DIXON-I'll just reference here.
MR. TRAVER-Other questions,comments from members of the Board?
MR. DEEB-Is there any power to that storage building you're going to use?
TOM ENSSLIN
MR. ENSSLIN-The answer is,because we had approval for the,hi,I'm Tom Ensslin. I own the property.
The Building Department granted us approval for the new septic system with pump tanks.
MR. TRAVER-For the accessory structure? There's no bathroom..
MR. ENSSLIN-There was a bathroom back in 2020.
MR. TRAVER-As part of the unapproved development.
MR. ZEGLEN-There's approval for grinder pumps for each one of those structures.
MR. ENSSLIN-Obviously the one's not going to be used,as just a shed.
MR. DEEB-Is there a bathroom in it?
MR. ENSSLIN-No. Well there won't be. It's a shell. The bottom line is in that same trench we put the
grinder pumps, need to dig a trench up to the parking lot where we took all the pavement off and that's
where the leach fields are, and so anyway there's wire running, but it's not working. So it won't be,
although it would be nice to have light in there. I mean there's wire running but it's not working.
MR. DEEB-I don't see any problem with a light.
MR. ENSSLIN-Yes,light and a basic outlet,just inside.
MR. TRAVER-You mentioned a pathway that sounded like it was on the borderline that was being
removed.
MR. ENSSLIN-Yes, he kind of said that wrong. So Mr. O'Brien owns to the north of me and this was
Carey's cabins back in the 60's and there were all these cabins. It's a long history. I won't bore you with
it,but at one point,you know,he's walking down to the lake,he's on my property,and then the path does
an"S" down to his little gazebo he has. He only has 30 something feet of lake frontage, and so it's always
been this way. It's just a shared"S",little"S"thing. So I'm on his for 20 feet,then he's on me for 40 feet
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and then he goes his way, and then I go from there down to my dock, and that's what was removed. Just
that section,but that's not shared, and what Mr. O'Brien called and talked to me about an hour and a half
ago on my way up here,he said he's fine with that shared path staying the way it is. That's all.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So I guess one question that prompts is does that change the permeability from the
discussion you had with the ZBA where you took it from 67.7E to 69.60.
MR. ZEGLEN-I'd have to look at the area that's specific to that part and see.
MR. TRAVER-Well I'm not looking for a number. I'm just saying it will change it.
MR. ZEGLEN-It will change it. Yes.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So the permeability will go down?
MR. ZEGLEN-Correct. I think it's a small enough amount that it probably won't put us over the
permeability of the existing,but,yes,it will change it.
MR. TRAVER-Right,it still would be less than what's existing because you're getting rid of that area up
at the top. Right?
MR. ZEGLEN-Right.
MR. MAGOWAN-Now do you have floodlights or do you have downcast lights?
MR. ENSSLIN-There was an old floodlight on a tree that's not there anymore. So the only lights are just
like house wall lights outside.
MR. MAGOWAN-And they're all downcast lights?
MR. ENSSLIN-Yes,they're not shooting out. They're not up high.
MR. DIXON-You had commented on the 7 Nutley property that it would be for storage only. I guess I
would like to see that be something that says that it's for storage only and not habitable space.
MR. TRAVER-Well that's part of the variance approval,right,Laura? So that's already.
MRS. MOORE-It was not identified at the Zoning Board in that fashion. So I don't see any reason why
you couldn't identify it as a condition in this.
MR. TRAVER-Good point. Yes. Anything else from members of the Board? We have a public hearing
on this application. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted to address the Planning Board on this
application?
PUBLIC HEARING OPEN
CLAUDIA BRAYMER
MS. BRAYMER-Thank you very much, Chairman. Claudia Braymer, attorney representing Mr. O'Brien
who we heard resides to the north, his property to the north, and I just think some of the issues have
definitely been addressed,but I do want to make a few comments. Two quick notes. One, as you know,
this is the Waterfront Residential district on Lake George and only one single family residence is permitted
by the Code. Two,my client's family has tried to maintain a good relationship with the applicant's family
throughout these last several months,and certainly over the time period that they've owned the property
it's been a good relationship. So I know that they appreciate that last change about the asphalt pavement,
and I'll try to be brief on my comments,but I wanted to make that point,too. This did come before your
Board in May for a recommendation about the variances, and you recommended at the time that none of
the variances should be approved. So when it went through the process of going to the ZBA, we did
advocate there and we were disappointed that the variances were granted. As was mentioned,the third
structure,the one that's farthest away from the shoreline,7 Nutley,we advocated for that to be completely
removed. They are saying they would use it as a storage shed and,yes, one of my comments to the ZBA,
and again tonight,is that you make a condition that it not be habitable. That it not be connected to the
septic system either because the septic system was designed for additional capacity to include this
building. So we would ask that it not be connected,and a condition was not put in place at the ZBA level
about this. So we're asking that you would do this here.
MR. DEE&We just discussed it.
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MS.BRAYMER-Yes. The middle structure,you know,the applicant,wait,I wanted to showyou. If you're
looking at the lake,this is my client's home,his property looking towards the lake,and then there's a shared
driveway in between,and then this building that you see here is the 7 Nutley structure I believe as it's still
standing and has not yet been reduced in size per the variance. So this is what they were looking at, and
it was concerning to them the size of that particular building. In any case, the middle building, it was
unapproved development going from one bedroom to four bedrooms, and there is a Stop Work Order in
place about that violation. We are asking that there be some firm condition indicating that the middle
building can only have two bedrooms,and that the other two bedrooms that were constructed not be used
as bedrooms. My understanding is that they are in the basement and they do not meet code,fire code. We
also asked for the deck to be removed or that it be reduced back to its original size. We do not agree with
the variance that was given allowing it to be four feet from the north boundary line which is right near our
property line. So we were very concerned about that because it is that much closer. It's that much bigger.
Accommodates that many more people to be on the deck creating noise and that sort of thing. My other
comments, I'll be quick, the one was about the asphalt on the shared path. It does, as was described, I
actually brought a picture of it tonight. It goes back and forth between the two properties,and the section
that we would like to remain asphalt is the piece that goes from our client's property over theirs and then
back onto ours right before the gazebo. If they want to remove the rest,that's fine.
MR. TRAVER-That's what we understand.
MR. DEEB-I think they agreed to that.
MS.BRAYMER-We just would like that to be on the plans as they submit them for the final. Great. Okay.
There's two more things. The tree, there is a proposal for a new tree right near our boundary line on the
northern side. It would be very close. I'm not sure what the distance is but it could even be inches. I
don't think it's that close, but we are asking that that be moved to the southern boundary line of the
property near the applicant's other family members. It's very close to the shared pathway,as I mentioned,
close to the structure on our property,the gazebo, and it will eventually degrade our view of the lake from
our residence. We would ask for full compliance with the buffer requirements as you did with the last
applicant,and the last thing I want to mention is we have a concern about construction vehicles going over
the shared pathway,and so we would ask that they not be allowed to do that without our permission. So
that we can be advised of when that's happening and that we have some sort of heads up about that. The
shard pathway is for walking. It's not for construction vehicles.
MR. TRAVER-Well to that end, I think if the vehicles are driving on your property, that you would be
entitled to participate in approving that. If it's on their property, that's part of their project. If they're
driving over onto your property,or your client's property,that's obviously a different matter.
MS. BRAYMER-Yes. We're just not sure how they're going to get down there. So they're willing to
accommodate,but they don't want them to just drive the construction vehicles over their property on our
side. Thank you very much.
MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Is there anyone else that wanted to comment on this application? Yes,sir.
MR. ENSSLIN-I just wanted to address a couple of things real quick.
MR. TRAVER-The public hearing isn't closed yet. So if you would allow us a few minutes.
MR. ENSSLIN-Sorry.
MR. TRAVER-And you'll have an opportunity to address public comment. Is there anyone else that
wanted to comment this evening? Are there written comments,Laura?
MRS. MOORE-Yes. I'll note that this comment is from May IS", and it's addressed to"To Whom It May
Concern: As a lifelong owner resident of 9 Big Slide Drive on Lake George I am voicing my opposition to
any variance for buildings at 7, 9 and 13 Nutley Lane. This owner has not followed any of the rules or
regulations or building codes in the past. He has converted a shed to a building with no permits or
approval and has now erected a second building. Now this request for a third non-conforming structure
sure to push any limits on water,septic and less green for further run off into the lake. The fact that even
one building exists on this lot is ridiculous when as a 55 year plus owner on this property I cannot get a
variance to make my dock 1 inch bigger,how can this unchecked building in a sliver of land go unchecked?
This person is not a resident. He is running a business and has created congestion in an area not designed
to handle the increased number of guests now staying in a very small area and pushing the limits of our
small communities septic,utilities and roads. In addition, the overcrowded number of guests staying at
his rentals have increased the loud noise,drunken behavior,limited parking,exceptionally loud music and
bright lights, none of which are in keeping with our Lake George community. I strongly oppose any
variance to allow additional building expansion and further request the past violations of this LLC with
failure to request permitting and any and all codes and regulations be reviewed by this body as it appears
a pattern of abuse, the building already exists and was erected in secret, how can you allow this? I am
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requesting the Planning and Zoning Board deny any variances for this property. Thank you for your
attention in this matter. Kathleen Toomey Noonan" And then I will note that, as Claudia had stated,
she had written a letter back in May as well, and has updated that information.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MS. BRAYMER-I'm just going to submit these for the record.
MR. TRAVER-Sure. All right. Well with that we'll close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-I'll ask the applicant to return to the table.
MR. ENSSLIN-The father is Bob O'Brien, the neighbor to the north of me with the shared driveway,but
the son is the one that called me on my way up here and we talked for over a half an hour. So he's the one
that put the idea of the pathway not being disturbed, because he didn't want to like park right near the
neighbors, and then what it is now on his side,I personally don't care if we do it,made it all new. That's
what I told him. So his property line,his front porch is like two feet from my line, and his gazebo down
at the lake is like six inches from my property line.
MR. TRAVER-Did I hear you say his property line is two feet from your property line?
MR. ENSSLIN-Yes. I don't know what pictures he just sent you,but his front porch,there's a stake in the
ground. It's probably his far away. So, I mean it was Carey's cabins. It was like seven or eight cabins.
That's just the way it was,and there was always three properties there,and he's got two cabins in his front
yard and one he uses for storage for kayaks and stuff and the other one for extra sleeping. I don't think
there's a bathroom working in there,but there probably was at one time. I never asked him,but I joked
with Sean today because I said I've got an extra grinder pump I could sell you when you might have to
replace your septic system,and they have no way to get on their property because they only own two feet,
and there's only like a ten foot opening between our two buildings. That's just the way it is. They own
the old game room,check in room. That's what was converted into their house,and their septic is right in
front of their front porch,but getting back to that equipment on our end,it just so happens my sister and
her husband bought the house south of us on Fantastic, the old Sullivan property, and they have direct
shoot off their driveway that I can get right in. I don't need to go down that shared pathway. So that
addresses that problem in the future,other than the actual work to the pathway,if we re-do it or whatever.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. There was the question about the number of bedrooms in the second building.
MR. ENSSLIN-Yes,it's going to be reduced to two. I mean it was COVID time,May 2020 or March,and
it'll be new bedrooms and four in the first house, which it always has been, and the comments on the
Zoning Board is you're on a seven bedroom septic system that's going to have six bedrooms. Because the
cabin was disallowed.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. DEEB-From what I can see,most of Ms. Braymer's comments were addressed anyway.
MR. TRAVER-Many of them,yes.
MR.DEEB-I think most of them,and then this one here with the bedrooms has been addressed. So I would
think everybody would be happy.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. Well,not everybody.
MRS. MOORE-I want to address the permeability issue. So since there was no permeability variance
requested because it remains the same.
MR. TRAVER-It was reduced,right?
MRS. MOORE-It wasn't reduced. It didn't change,I think.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MRS. MOORE-Sorry, it could be different, but I'm just saying the permeability, there was no relief
requested. I just need to confirm that the same goes when you maintain that path.
MR. ZEGLEN-I need to confirm that and figure out the area of that path to confirm that. Yes.
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MR.TRAVER-My notes say that no relief is required as the site is improving the permeability on site. Now
that's before not removing the walkway,but it sounds as though that shouldn't be a significant addition
to the permeability,to the impermeability.
MR. ZEGLEN-So our existing permeability was 67.7E%. Proposed was 70.40/o. So we're increasing the
permeability on site.
MR. TRAVER-Right. I actually have that proposed is 69.6.
MR. DEEB-Improved to 69.6.
MR. ZEGLEN-Well this might have been updated after we came for that 7 Nutley change.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Understood. Okay.
MR. ZEGLEN-So I just have to confirm that keeping that, say it's just for purposes of discussion it's a 60
square foot area of walkway. I just have to confirm that that 60 square feet does not put us,you know,
under the permeability that was existing.
MR. TRAVER-Right. All right.
MR. ENSSLIN-I just want to say,I don't care if we have to make that path permeable.
MR. TRAVER-Yes,understood.
MR. DIXON-I just want to point out something. So there was a question,concern regarding 9 Nutley as
far as the deck that's on there now.
MR.ENSSLIN-Well,the deck on there was so unsafe it was unbelievable,and,yes,we put on a brand new
deck, and, yes, there's a power line going from the telephone pole, again, the properties are really close
together, down to the house closest to the lake, and so in order for someone not to, for it not to be
dangerous,the steps come off that end,but there's still a lot of property line.
MR. DIXON-So the existing deck that was there,did that run the full length of the house originally?
MR. ENSSLIN-No.
MR. DIXON-And the stairs that are on there,could they be,at the very least re-worked,where they're not
as close to the neighbor's property?
MR. ENSSLIN-It would be very difficult,because like everything, again,if you look at the plan,his front
porch is two feet from my property line. When I walk down that path I'm on his and he's on mine.
MR. ZEGLEN-I think if you re-work the steps, looking at it, they would almost get closer to his main
building on his lot,the way that I look at it right now.
MR. DIXON-And what's involved with shortening up the deck?
MR. ZEGLEN-Shortening it up?
MR. DIXON-Yes,on the north side,bringing it back.
MR. ENSSLIN-That's where the original deck was. It was on the north side.
MR. DIXON-That's where it ended?
MR. ENSSLIN-That's where it was. It started at that corner of the house and went south. So it would
just be more people condensed in that corner.
MR. DIXON-So that section is very similar to what was there originally is what you're saying.
MR.ENSSLIN-That same deck,away from the 12 feet,but instead of 16,it's the length of that property,the
building,I'm sorry.
MR. TRAVER-So can we talk about,what conditions do we have thus far? Proposed conditions.
MR. DIXON-We're looking at,proposed conditions would be that 7 Nutley is going to be for storage,not
for habitable space. It's not to be connected to the septic system. You've got the shoreline buffer plan. Go
through the list of plants.
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MR. TRAVER-Native plants.
MR. DIXON-Yes. I've got that. Also the shoreline buffer plan will be added to the final plans and
submitted, and then I think that's it.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. DEEB-Laura,I have question,going back to permeability. If,when you come in with a site plan,and
even though the permeability is being improved,if it's still not,it's still below what's required,doesn't that
still trigger a variance?
MRS. MOORE-No. Consistently we've had,if the applicant can maintain the permeability that it was at,
they're not,and not go below the permeability that they were at originally,it does not trigger a variance.
MR. DEEB-That's setbacks,too,right? And permeability doesn't?
MRS. MOORE-It's a new setback.
MR. DEEB-Even if you have the same setback,it doesn't require?
MRS. MOORE-I'm just telling you what it,in consistency.
MR. DEEB-I'm okay. I just wanted to make sure that we're okay with this, and do we need a number on
this before we approve site plan? I mean we've got the percentages here now,but we don't know what
they're going to be.
MR. TRAVER-Well, the change by not removing the foot path, I don't think it's going to significantly
impact permeability. It will have an impact, and the representative agreed with that, but in terms of
percentage overall,I mean they are removing the asphalt up above,so it is definitely an improvement.
MR. DEEB-Okay. As long as we're within,but I think we should have concrete evidence of that.
MR. TRAVER-But the final plans would have to be updated to reflect the actual permeability. Correct?
MR. ZEGLEN-Yes,we'll update the final plans and have the permeability right on there.
MR. DEEB-Okay.
MR.MAGOWAN-Mr. Chairman,I'd like to go back to discuss the lights again. Because in these pictures,
one of them looks like,I would say a mercury halide wall pack sticking out.
MR. ENSSLIN-Where is that located?
MR. MAGOWAN-On 9 Nutley on that corner.
MR. ENSSLIN-On the house?
MR. MAGOWAN-Yes. And then the front of that looks like, on 9 Nutley, on that front left corner,that
looks like a mercury or a sodium.
MR. ENSSLIN-There's one up there that never worked. That was there when we bought the property. I
have no desire for spotlights,take down anything that's not flush with the house.
MR. MAGOWAN-Well I'd like to make it all exterior lights downcast,Code compliant.
MR. ENSSLIN-Yes,I'm fine with that.
MR. DEEB-And that you remove these that are on there,even if they don't work.
MR. ENSSLIN-Yes, I don't think it's even there anymore. I don't know how old that picture is. I'd be
curious to see.
MR. TRAVER-Anything else? I think we're close to a draft resolution here. \
MRS. MOORE-The other suggestion, in regards to conditions, you already identified lighting to be
downcast fixtures and then in regards to the storage building is storage only. You also mentioned,or the
applicant requested at least basic electric,and I just want to make sure that we're all on the same page that
that's what the Board wishes to allow.
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MR. TRAVER-Well,it's not to be a residential structure. That doesn't eliminate having lighting,but it
does eliminate anything that would make it habitable. Right?
MRS. MOORE-Correct. I just want to make sure that someone doesn't go out there and say, well you're
not supposed to have electric in this building. That's not the case.
MR. TRAVER-Right. Yes. Understood.
MR. MAGOWAN-Lighting and an outlet or two.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#29-2022 REDS LG LLC
The applicant has submitted an application the Planning Board: (Revised) The applicant proposes to
complete alterations to two existing dwelling units on the site and reduction of 7 Nutley Lane to an
accessory structure. Site work had started on all three buildings prior to review. Alterations include 7
Nutley Lane nowreduced to 330 sq.ft.Alterations to 9 Nutley Lane 704 sq.ft.footprint with two bedrooms
and kitchen floor area of 1,40E sq.ft.,new open deck of 440 sq.ft.-walkout area below,interior alterations
for 13 Nutley Lane existing floor area 2,053 sq. ft. with four bedrooms. Project includes grass depression
areas,shoreline plantings,construction of a rock wall with steps and reduction of hard surfacing.. Project
subject to site plan for new floor area for 7 Nutley Lane, expansion of non-conforming structure for 9
Nutley Lane,hard surfacing within 50 ft. of the shoreline. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040,179-6-065,147,
shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning
Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren
County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals on 5/17/2022-1 the ZBA
approved the variance on 7/20/2022-1
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 5/26/2022 and continued the
public hearing to 11/29/2022,when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments
made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 11/29/2022;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 29-2022 REDS LG, LLC; Introduced by Michael Dixon who
moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1) Waivers requested granted:h. signage,n traffic,q. soil logs,r. construction/demolition disposal s.
snow removal as it is reasonable to request a waiver as these items are typically associated with
commercial projects;
2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for
requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired;
3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall
be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff,
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the Wastewater
Department for its review, approval,permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not
be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of
Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor
plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site
improvements;-
f) If required,the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current 'NYSDEC SPDES
General Permit from Construction Activity"prior to the start of any site work.
b. The project NOT(Notice of Termination)upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff:
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i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water
Pollution Prevention Plan)when such a plan was prepared and approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General
Permit,or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project if required.
g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and
Codes personnel;
h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work;
i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans
1) Seven Nutley will be for storage only and not to be habitable space.
m) Seven Nutley will not be connected to septic system.
n) Shoreline buffer plan to be Code compliant with planting plan reflecting four large trees at
three inch diameter;56 native shrubs;and 8 herbaceous plants for a total of 112.
o) Shoreline buffer to be added to the final plans and submitted to the Town prior to any site
work.
p) Final plans wi11 reflect any updated permeability and must be approved by Town prior to site
work.
q) All lighting to be Code compliant downcast lighting fixtures.
Motion seconded by Brady Stark. Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following vote:
MR. DEEB Just clarification. Sorry to do this. You're going to go to two bedrooms from four bedrooms.
Does that have to be in the resolution?
MRS. MOORE-It does not have to be in the resolution because those other bedrooms are not Code
compliant.
AYES: Mr. Longacker,Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-You're all set.
MR.DIXON-Before you leave,can I just make a comment? I'm really discouraged that this even took place.
So if anybody's involved with this in the future,I would really not like to see this come in front of the Board
again. Even though I voted yes,I'm very disappointed. I just wanted to throw that out there.
MR. TRAVER-The next section of our agenda is under New Business, and the first item is Schermerhorn
Residential Holdings. This is Site Plan 73-2022 and Freshwater Wetlands permit 18-2022.
NEW BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN NO. 73-2022 FRESHWATER WETLANDS 18-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE 11.
SCHERMERHORN RESIDENTIAL HOLDINGS. AGENT(S): EDP. OWNER(S): SAME AS
APPLICANT. ZONING: PUD. LOCATION: 67 HAVILAND ROAD. APPLICANT PROPOSES
A 1,650 LINEAR FEET DRIVEWAY AT 18 FT. WIDTH TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON A 15.2 ACRE
PARCEL. THE PROJECT INCLUDES DISTURBANCE AND WORK WITHIN 100 FT. OF A
DESIGNATED WETLAND AND WORK IN THE WETLAND FOR DRIVEWAY CROSSING,
STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS ALSO PROPOSED FOR THE PROJECT. PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 179-3-060, 179-6-050, 94, SITE PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A DRIVEWAY AND
WORK WITHIN 100 FT.OF WETLANDS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW
AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SUB 7-2005. WARREN CO.REFERRAL: NOVEMBER
2022. SITE INFORMATION: WETLANDS. LOT SIZE: 15.25 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 289.16-1-
5. SECTION: 179-3-040,179-6-050,94.
JON ZAPPER&NICK ZEGLEN,REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-This application is for a 1,065 foot linear foot driveway at 18 foot width to be constructed
on a parcel of 15.2 acres. The project includes disturbance and work within 100 feet of a designated
wetland and work in the wetland for driveway crossing. The project includes stormwater management.
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MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. ZAPPER-Good evening. For the record Jon Lapper with Nick Zeglen who I don't have to introduce
since he's been here for all the applications tonight.
MR. TRAVER-You're really getting the hard hat of the night tonight.
MR. ZAPPER-So this is the last lot in Hiland Estates Subdivision, right behind Town Hall. Rich and I
both live there. His house actually looks out over this lot, as a 15 acre lot it could have accommodated
more than one building lot,but he just thought that an estate lot was the way to do this. So there's a small
ranch house that he doesn't own that's right at the beginning that has an access easement over property
that,his 15 acres for their access. Because there are wetlands on this site,it wasn't able to be designed to
completely avoid them,but it's mostly avoiding them. There were just two areas that I'll show you on the
map where the driveway had to go over a little bit of disturbance into the wetland buffer but we did get a
DEC permit for that and we have a letter from Army Corps that it's not jurisdictional and there's ample
stormwater devices to address that. So that couldn't be designed without that,but the one estate lot was
the least we could do and somebody else would probably subdivide it into a bunch of lots,but that's not
Rich's plan. So with that I'll just ask Nick to walk you through the plan.
MR. ZEGLEN-So again it's a driveway that comes to the high and dry part of the lot where the favorable
land is and it just,it makes it a lot more marketable and better. So again, IS foot wide driveway that we
have provided stormwater management for in accordance with the Town Code. We also have an erosion
and sediment control SWPPP because it does go over an acre of disturbance in accordance with the DEC
standards. We did receive a Town Engineer letter with comments, mostly kind of just making it clear
what part of the Code this falls under and what we are exempt from based on this being a part of a larger
subdivision, and we have responded to those comments. A lot of them were about, like I said, being
exempt from certain portions of the Code and we did provide stormwater for the 25 year storm which is
part of the Town's requirements on that front.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Yes, it looked to me as though most of the comments were technical. Questions,
comments from members of the Board?
MR. LONGACKER-Were there any Fire Marshal comments on that at all, about the number of
turnarounds required? Since it's over 1,000 feet long?
MR. TRAVER-I didn't see Fire Marshal comments,no.
MR. ZAPPER-It's not a road. It's just a driveway.
MR. LONGACKER-I know,but I thought the Building Code required that for over certain distances.
MR. ZAPPER-I think it's just for roads,not for driveways.
MR. TRAVER-Laura's checking on that. We do have a public hearing on this application as well. Does
anyone want to comment on Site Plan 73-2022 or Freshwater Wetlands permit IS-2022? Yes,sir.
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
JOHN WILLIAMS
MR.WILLIAMS-Hello. My name is John Williams. I'm herewith my wife Ellen Williams,and we own
property that abuts this,and so our main concerns really are around the wetlands disturbances or potential
disturbances. So I'd like to make,to understand clearly that the only disturbance to the wetlands will be,
as it mentions on the plan,the 50 foot,the side,the driveway, and I'd also like to understand how damage
to the wetlands will be prevented in terms of hay bales or whatever it is they use to prevent any kind of
damage to the wetlands, and also after construction how removal of such hay bales or whatever and the
property is restored back to its natural state. I've seen construction projects in the past where that has
not been done. The construction people just left them there. So that's,I just want to understand that. I
also want to understand how, after, in the process of any construction that's going on, how will it be
policed, in the sense that if there's any disturbances or any other disturbance to the wetland not part of
the plan,how will this be policed? And the reason why I'm concerned about that is that we have actually
had Schermerhorn Holdings come onto our property last year and bushwhacked a strip of land to expose
a manhole cover without our permission or knowledge, and we're very concerned that Schermerhorn
Holdings will maybe do a similar sort of act. It seems to me that they sometimes run roughshod over other
people and seem to get away with it,and so I want to make sure that that doesn't happen and that people
take notice of what they're doing and ensure that they do everything according to the plan. I have read
through the plans and the plans look reasonable and sensible. I just want to make sure that the
construction is done according to those plans.
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MR. TRAVER-Well, in answer to that, typically these plans are reviewed by Staff prior to the onset of
construction and the Town does visit the project during construction and there is a sort of signoff,if you
will,when the project is complete,verifying that it's constructed according to approval.
MR. WILLIAMS-Okay. Thank you. Also any changes to the plan, I'd like to be able to see them fairly
quickly. I've asked in the past to have notice of what's going on here and this is the first,my letter to the
Town has been ignored and this is the first opportunity I've had to look and see what's going on,and since
part of our property does abut this development I would like to know what's going on. Are updates to the
plan published regularly on the website?
MR. TRAVER-After, hypothetically, if this plan were approved, and after the fact they decided they
wanted to alter the plan in such a way that it would be constructed differently than what was approved,
they could submit an application for a modification to the site plan, which we would again review that
updated change.
MR.WILLIAMS-How would we know?
MR. DEEB-You'd get a notice. You'll get a notice of the meeting.
MR.WILLIAMS-Okay. Another meeting?
MR. DEEB-Yes,there'd have to be another meeting.
MR. TRAVER-It's also on the Town's website,queensbury.net.
MR.WILLIAMS-Okay.
MR. TRAVER-You can look at the Planning Board meeting documents and see the application and all the
materials.
MR.WILLIAMS-Okay.
MR. DEEB-And there would probably be another public hearing.
MR. TRAVER-Yes.
MR. DEEB-Which would give you a chance to come back.
MR. WILLIAMS-Okay. So the other thing was we were curious about the, apart from the residential
building, construction, there's also a very large barn which seems odd for a residential building in our
neighborhood like ours. For what purpose is this barn being built?
MR. TRAVER-I don't believe that's part of this application.
MR. WILLIAMS-1 think it said on our,43,000 square foot barn? Somewhere.
MR. TRAVER-We will ask the applicant to clarify.
MR.WILLIAMS-This is just for the driveway then? Is there going to be another meeting concerning the
construction of the home?
MR. TRAVER-There's another application.
MR.WILLIAMS-Okay.
MRS. MOORE-Could I just clarify that,in reference to the home? If a home were to be constructed and
it met all the criteria of,you know,it didn't need any additional review,it would not come back before the
Board.
MR. TRAVER-If it was completely compliant.
MRS. MOO RE-If it was compliant,they would just be applying for their building permit. So you would
not get notice if it was compliant with the requirements of the Code.
MR. TRAVER-So they would need to get a permit to build from the Town,a construction permit,but if it
were completely compliant in all respects,then we wouldn't necessarily see it and it's just for a residential.
The Town would because they'd still need a permit.
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MR.WILLIAMS-Okay. I have no other questions. Thank you.
MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Was there anyone else that wanted to comment on the application before us?
Are there written comments,Laura?
MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments, and there is no comment in there from the Fire Marshal,
but the Fire Marshal is notified of all projects. They just didn't have any comment on this one.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you.
MR. LONGACKER-I did look it up real quick, and the Fire Code does require 500 feet for driveways less
than 20 feet in width and over 1,000 you have to have a turnaround, a designated dimension,too. So just
take a look at Section 500 of the Fire Code.
MR. ZEGLEN-So actually on our plan,right at the,pretty much halfway between,it's about a 1,000 foot
road,so halfway between we have a gated entrance and turnaround.
MR. LONGACKER-All right. So that's at about 500 to 600 so you're over the 500 there,plus there's no
dimensions there. So just the dimensions to make sure that that turnaround does meet the Code.
MR. TRAVER-So,Warren,does that meet with what your thoughts were?
MR.LONGACKER-If they just re-locate that down. The Fire Marshal can talk better to that. if he's okay
with it 50 feet from the 500 foot line,but I'd just like to see the dimensions to make sure the fire apparatus
can make a turn in that hammerhead.
MR. ZEGLEN-The turning radius is shown.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
MR. DEEB-That has to be reflected on the plan.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. All right. Anything else from members of the Board?
MR. MAGOWAN-Did you want to bring up something about the barn or something?
MR. DEEB-No.
MR. MAGOWAN-So that was just hearsay?
MR. ZAPPER-Well there's no plan. I don't know if Rich is going to sell it or build a house. There's no
plan for a house yet.
MR. TRAVER-That's not part of the application before us.
MR. DIXON-I'm all set.
MR. TRAVER-All right.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#73-2022&FWW IS-2022 SCHERMERHORN RESIDENTIAL
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board:Applicant proposes a 1,650 linear feet
driveway at 1S ft.width to be constructed on a 15.2 acre parcel. The project includes disturbance and work
within 100 ft. of a designated wetland and work in the wetland for driveway crossing. Stormwater
management is also proposed for the project. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-060, 179-6-050, 94, site plan for
development of a driveway and work within 100 ft. of wetlands shall be subject to Planning Board review
and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning
Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code;
As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren
County Planning Department for its recommendation;
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 11/29/2022 and continued the
public hearing to 11/29/2022,when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments
made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 11/29/2022;
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The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 73-2022 &z FRESHWATER WETLANDS 18-2022
SCHERMERHORN RESIDENTIAL HOLDINGS; Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its
adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1) Waivers requested granted: g. site lighting, h. signage, 1. landscaping, n traffic, o. commercial
alterations/construction details,p floor plans,r.construction/demolition disposal s.snow removal
as it is reasonable to request a waiver for these items specific to the development of the driveway
additional review may be required for the house development;
2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for
requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired;
3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall
be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff,
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the Wastewater
Department for its review, approval,permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not
be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of
Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor
plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site
improvements;-
f) If required,the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES
General Permit from Construction Activity"prior to the start of any site work.
b. The project NOT(Notice of Termination)upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff:
i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water
Pollution Prevention Plan)when such a plan was prepared and approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General
Permit,or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project if required.
g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and
Codes personnel;
h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work;
i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans.
1) Fire Marshal to confirm that plan is compliant and any changes that may be made reflected
on final plans to be submitted to the Town prior to any site work.
Motion seconded by Warren Longacker. Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following
vote:
MR. DIXON-And the addition of L, Fire Marshal review and approval prior to any site work and any
changes reflected on final site plan to be submitted to the Town.
MRS. MOORE-I just want to comment that I don't know if it's approval or whether it needs to be
confirmed that it meets the requirements of the turnaround? So you're asking for approval from.
MR. TRAVER-It's a necessary requirement.
MRS.MOO RE-But I don't know if it's necessarily an approval. I know he has to confirm,but you're asking
the Fire Marshal to approve it.
MR. ZAPPER-We could submit it to Laura and have Laura approve it.
MRS. MOO RE-Well,I can't. I'm just saying that the Fire Marshal needs to confirm that it's compliant.
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MR. DEEB-Yes.
MR. TRAVER-All right. So we'll use that language. The Fire Marshal to confirm that it's compliant.
MR. DIXON-All right. Let's amend that. L. Fire Marshal to confirm that the plan is compliant and any
changes that may be made reflected on final plan to be submitted to the Town prior to any site work.
AYES: Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-You're all set.
MR. ZEGLEN-Thankyou.
MR. TRAVER-The next section of our agenda is Old Business, and actually the first two items are to be
tabled. The first item is Loreen Harvey,Kasselman Solar.
OLD BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN NO. 75-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE 11. LOREEN HARVEY/KASSELMAN SOLAR.
AGENT(S): LOREEN HARVEY OWNER(S): RORY RUSSELL TRUST. ZONING: MDR.
LOCATION: 1516 RIDGE ROAD. APPLICANT PROPOSES A SOUTH FACING GROUND
MOUNTED SOLAR PROJECT FOR 2592 kW (54 PANELS), APPROXIMATELY 1,348 SQ. FT.
THE EXISTING 5,035 SQ. FT. HOME IS TO REMAIN UNCHANGED. THE PROJECT WILL BE
LOCATED ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE WHERE NO VEGETATION WILL BE REMOVED.
PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-5-140, SITE PLAN FOR A RESIDENTIAL GROUND MOUNTED
SOLAR PROJECT SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
CROSS REFERENCE: AV 60-2022. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: NOVEMBER 2022. SITE
INFORMATION: APA,LGPC. LOT SIZE: 6.1 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 266.3-1-76.1. SECTION:
179-5-140.
MR. TRAVER-This is to be tabled to the December 15 Planning Board meeting. Is that correct,Laura?
MRS. MOORE-That's correct.
MR. TRAVER-The ZBA has tabled it actually to tomorrow night. So they may looking at updated new
plans and we'll be responding. We have a draft resolution to that effect.
RESOLUTION TABLING SP#75-2022 LOREEN HARVEY/KASSELMAN SOLAR
Applicant proposes a South facing ground mounted solar project for 25.92 kW(54 panels),approximately
1,345 sq.ft.The existing 5,035 sq.ft.home is to remain unchanged.The project will be located on the North
property line where no vegetation will be removed.Pursuant to chapter 179-5-140,site plan for a residential
ground mounted solar project shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN 75-2022 LOREEN HARVEY/KASSELMAN SOLAR. Introduced by
Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption,seconded by Warren Longacker.
Tabled until the December 15,2022 Planning Board meeting.
Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker,Mr. Stark, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MRS. MOORE-And just to note that you'll leave the public hearing open. Open the public hearing and
leave it open.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Even though their plan may change?
MRS.MOORE-I don't think the size. I think it's location is changing. I don't think the project's changing.
It's the location of the site,the unit itself.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Very good. Well then we will open the public hearing.
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PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR.TRAVER-And we will leave that public hearing open pending our review on December 15. That's not
part of the motion though,right? Okay. The next application under Old Business is 3 Sons and Holly LLC,
Site Plan 76-2022.
SITE PLAN NO.76-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE 11. 3 SONS AND HOLLY LLC. AGENT(S): STUDIO
A. OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: WR. LOCATION: 28 HOLLY LANE.
APPLICANT PROPOSES ALTERATIONS TO AN EXISTING HOME AND SITE. THE PROJECT
INCLUDES A 416 SQ. FT. ADDITION TO AN EXISTING HOME WITH A 1,275 SQ. FT.
FOOTPRINT. THERE IS TO BE A NEW 72 SQ. FT. PORCH AND A NEW 200 SQ. FT. PORCH
WITH A NEW FLOOR AREA OF 3,225 SQ.FT. SITE WORK INCLUDES INSTALLATION OF AN
ON-GRADE PAVER PATIO AREA WITH STONE SLAB PATCH AND ENLARGING THE FIRE PIT
AREA. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS TO BE A RAINGARDEN AND SHORELINE PLANTINGS
ADDED TO THE SITE. THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE EXISTING 1,152 SQ. FT. FOOTPRINT
OF THE GARAGE AND LIVING SPACE. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040, 179-6-065, 147
AND 179-4-080, SITE PLAN FOR NEW FLOOR AREA IN A CEA, EXPANSION OF A NON-
CONFORMING STRUCTURE,AND HARD SURFACING WITHIN 50 FT. OF THE SHORELINE
SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL.. VARIANCE: RELIEF
IS SOUGHT FOR PERMEABILITY, AND SETBACKS. CROSS REFERENCE: AV 63-2022.
WARREN CO. REFERRAL: NOVEMBER 2022. SITE INFORMATION: CEA LOT SIZE: .38
ACRE. TAX MAP NO. 239.12-2-57. SECTION: 179-3-040,179-6-065,147,179-4-080.
MR. TRAVER-This application is also being tabled and also being tabled to December 15. Laura?
MRS. MOORE-So this application is also being reviewed by the Zoning Board in regards to the
permeability and amendments. The applicant has already submitted an updated plan that both the Zoning
Board and the Planning Board will receive. So that's why it's December 15`h as well.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. So we will also open the public hearing on this application.
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR. TRAVER-And leave it open pending their return on December 15. And I think we have a draft
resolution.
RESOLUTION TABLING SP#76-2022 3 SONS AND HOLLY LLC
Applicant proposes alterations to an existing home and site. The project includes a 416 sq. ft. addition to
an existing home with a 1,275 sq. ft. footprint. There is to be a new 72 sq. ft. porch and a new 200 sq. ft.
porch with a new floor area of 3,225 sq.ft.. Site work includes installation of an on-grade paver patio area
with stone slab patch and enlarging the fire pit area.Additionally,there is to be a raingarden and shoreline
plantings added to the site. There is no change to the existing 1,152 sq.ft.footprint of the garage and living
space. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,179-6-065,147,and 179-4-080,site plan for new floor area in a CEA,
expansion of a non-conforming structure, and hard surfacing within 50 ft.of the shoreline shall be subject
to Planning Board review and approval.
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN 76-2022 3 SONS AND HOLLY,LLC. Introduced by Michael Dixon
who moved for its adoption,seconded by David Deeb.
Tabled until the December 15,2022 Planning Board meeting.
Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker,Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Okay. This is Old Business,although this is Garden World Associates. This
is a referral from the Town Board,Site Plan 69-2022 and Petition for a Zone Change 5-2022.
OLD BUSINESS—TOWN BOARD REFERRAL
SITE PLAN NO. 69-2022 PETITION FOR ZONE CHANGE 5-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE I.
GARDEN WORLD ASSOCIATES. AGENT(S): HUTCHINS ENGINEERING. OWNER(S):
SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: MDR,C1. LOCATION: 2 CARLTON DRIVE/537AVIATION
ROAD. APPLICANT PROPOSES A CHANGE OF ZONE FOR A 0.32 ACRE PARCEL AT 2
CARLTON DRIVE IDENTIFIED AS PARCEL # 302.5-1-49 FROM MODERATE DENSITY
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RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE. THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES A PARKING
LOT EXPANSION OF A 0.76 ACRE PARCEL AT 537 AVIATION ROAD WITH THE 0.32 ACRE
PARCEL. THE PROJECT INCLUDES ASSOCIATED SITE WORK TO INCREASE PARKING TO
86 SPACES. THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES A PARCEL MERGE. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER
179-3-040,179-15-040,PETITION OF ZONE CHANGE, TOWN BOARD REFERRAL,SEQR FOR
PETITION OF ZONE CHANGE AND PARKING EXPANSION, ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
FOR VARIANCE RELIEF AND PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION SHALL BE SUBJECT
TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE PLANNING BOARD WILL MAY
ACCEPT LEAD AGENCY,REVIEW SEQR AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATION. VARIANCE:
RELIEF IS SOUGHT FOR PERMEABILITY. CROSS REFERENCE: SP 49-2017,AV 44-2017,AV
50-2022. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: OCTOBER 2022. SITE INFORMATION: TRAVEL
CORRIDOR OVERLAY. LOT SIZE: .32 ACRES,.76 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 302.5-1-49,302.5-1-
50. SECTION 179-3-040,179-15-040.
JON ZAPPER&TOM CENTER, REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT
MRS.MOO RE-This is back before the Board and we waited the 30 days. Now it comes back to this Board.
Again,this is the applicant proposes a change of zone for a.32 acre parcel on Carlton Drive from MDR to
CI and then in reference to the project itself, they're proposing a parking lot expansion on this parcel to
coincide with the restaurant on the adjoining parcel. Both parcels are to be merged. This triggered,
unusual for a project,is it triggered an Area Variance as well because of the permeability. So the Board has
to contend with the referral to the ZBA as well as the Town Board.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. And this is also a SEQR Type I application for SEQR. Thank you. Good evening.
MR.ZAPPER-For the record Jon Lapper with project engineer Tom Center. Fred and Frank Troelstra are
here. They're the owners of Gardentime and Garden World. You notice that a lot of the Gardentime
products are sold at The Silo. So they have some of their nursery products and pumpkins that comes from
the nursery centers. This is a case where The Silo is so popular that they're sort of a victim of their success
that there's just inadequate parking and if you look across the street at the Diner that has probably twice
as much parking and certainly every Saturday and Sunday when you drive by every spot is taken at The
Silo,mostly because the food is so good and it's such a popular place. The building was constructed at the
time that the Northway was built. So the Town has changed. Now it's at the entrance to the Town and
it's extremely popular because of the historic barn building because of, it's just a good place, good food.
They don't have adequate parking and it's a problem, somewhat of a safety issue. You drive through the
parking lot and you can't find a place to park. So the house in the back was their dad's house. He recently
passed and the plan is to demolish the house,build a buffer to the neighbor on the other side of it. Fred
has talked to the neighbor, Brad Patch, who's well known in Town. He doesn't live there. It's a rental
property and we've offered to landscape on their side of the property line if they want that, and certainly
something that can be done,but it's just a way of making it easier for the public and the employees to have
somewhere to park that can accommodate them in the parking lot. So I think it needs to get done for the
sake of the Town and it's just that everything's changed. That's now Exit 19 and a huge amount of cars
drive by every day and people want to go to The Silo. So it's a small project in terms of square feet,but
important to add the parking spaces. So with that I'll ask Tom to go through the site plan.
MR. CENTER-The site plan is pretty straightforward. What we had tried to do to reduce some of the
impermeability is include porous pavement in the parking stall sections of the project and then collected
the stormwater also down at the lower portion and take it to an infiltration device underneath the parking
area. Deep well drained sands. Don't really see any issue. I don't see anything with the engineering
comments we can't take care of. So it's a pretty straightforward parking project, similar buffer with the
same plantings that are there now between the parcels. I'll just leave it to any questions you have with
regard to the site plan.
MR. TRAVER-Okay, and, Laura, just to clarify for our procedure, this evening we're going to be
considering, well, we'll be accepting Lead Agency, which we had requested, conducting SEQR, and
potentially providing a recommendation on the zoning recommendation,zoning change. Correct?
MRS. MOORE-So there's two recommendations that you can potentially propose. One is a
recommendation to the Town Board, and the other would be the recommendation to the Zoning Board.
MR.TRAVER-Okay. Very good. Thank you. Questions,comments from members of the Board? I know
when we first looked at this we reviewed it fairly carefully.
MR. DIXON-I guess there's two components to it. So from a SEQR perspective,I don't think that there's
any issues because it's not any additional traffic. There's no safety concerns. There's nothing that I saw.
MR. TRAVE R-They're actually increasing permeability. Did we have a motion to accept Lead Agency?
MRS. MOORE-You have a motion in your packet,yes.
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MR. TRAVER-Okay. Why don't we do that first.
MR. DIXON-Okay.
RESOLUTION ACCEPTING LEAD AGENCY STATUS SP#69-2022 GARDEN WORLD
WHEREAS,the applicant proposes a change of zone for a 0.32 acre parcel at 2 Carlton Dive identified as
Parcel#302.5-1-49 from Moderate Density Residential to Commercial Intensive. The project also includes
a parking lot expansion of a 0.76 acre parcel at 537 Aviation Road with the 0.32 acre parcel. The project
includes associated site work to increase parking to S6 spaces. The project also includes a parcel merge.
Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,179-15-040,petition of zone change,Town Board referral,SEQR for petition
of zone change and parking expansion, Zoning Board of Appeals for variance relief and Planning Board
recommendation shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Planning Board may accept
lead agency,review SEQR and provide recommendation.Variance: Relief is sought for permeability.
WHEREAS, the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury has determined to begin an environmental
review process under the State Environmental Quality Review Act(SEQRA).
WHEREAS, in connection with the project, the Town of Queensbury Planning Board, by resolution,
previously authorized the Community Development Office to notify other involved agencies of the desire
of the Town Board to conduct a coordinated SEQR review,
WHEREAS, the Zoning Administrator has advised that other involved agencies have been notified and
have consented to the Town of Queensbury Planning Board being lead agency;
NOW,THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
MOTION TO ACKNOWLEDGE LEAD AGENCY STATUS IN CONNECTION WITH SITE PLAN
69-2022,PETITION OF ZONE CHANGE 5-2022&z AREA VARIANCE 50-2022 GARDEN WORLD
ASSOCIATES,Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption,seconded by David Deeb.
As per the draft resolution prepared by staff.
Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following vote:
MRS. MOORE-So I'm going to have you amend that. I apologize I didn't catch this. You should also
identify the Area Variance that's associated with it. So that's Area Variance 50-2022.
MR. DIXON-Can you say that one more time? I can't hear you.
MRS. MOORE-So you're including the Area Variance which is Area Variance 50-2022.
MR. DIXON-Okay.
AYES: Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker, Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-Does the Board have any initial questions or comments before we take public comment?
We do have a public hearing on this application. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted to address
the Planning Board regarding Site Plan 69-2022 or Petition for Zone Change 5-2022? I'm not seeing any.
Written comments,Laura?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. So we'll go ahead and close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR.TRAVER-And now we can consider the State Environmental Quality Review Act. We have a SEQR
resolution. Are there members of the Board that envision environmental impacts that we need to consider
on this application?
MR. DEEB-No.
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MRS. MOORE-So I also want you to include Area Variance 50-2022, and just note that is a permeability
variance. So I just want to make sure that,it currently is not included in your SEQR resolution either. So
you need to add that.
MR. TRAVER-Okay.
RESOLUTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE SEQR DEC. SP#69-2022 GARDEN WORLD
The applicant proposes a change of zone for a 0.32 acre parcel at 2 Carlton Dive identified as Parcel#302.5-
1-49 from Moderate Density Residential to Commercial Intensive. The project also includes a parking lot
expansion of a 0.76 acre parcel at 537 Aviation Road with the 0.32 acre parcel. The project includes
associated site work to increase parking to S6 spaces. The project also includes a parcel merge. Pursuant
to chapter 179-3-040,179-15-040,petition of zone change, Town Board referral, SEQR for petition of zone
change and parking expansion, Zoning Board of Appeals for variance relief and Planning Board
recommendation shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Planning Board may accept
lead agency,review SEQR and provide recommendation.Variance: Relief is sought for permeability.
The proposed action considered by this Board is Type I in the Department of Environmental Conservation
Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town
of Queensbury;
No Federal or other agencies are involved;
Part 1 of the Long EAF has been completed by the applicant;
Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of Queensbury
Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse impacts on the
environment,and,therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be prepared. Accordingly,this
negative declaration is issued.
MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN 69-2022, PETITION OF
ZONE CHANGE 5-2022 &z AREA VARIANCE 50-2022 GARDEN WORLD ASSOCIATES.
Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption.
As per the resolution prepared by staff.
1. Part II of the Long EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board.
2. Part III of the Long EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify potentially
moderate to large impacts.
Motion seconded by Warren Longacker. Duly adopted this 29th day of November 2022 by the following
vote:
AYES: Mr. Dixon, Mr. Longacker,Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-So with that, we then consider a recommendation to the Town Board as favorable or
unfavorable for the zoning change. Discussion?
MR. DEEB-It's needed. It's pretty cut and dried.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. It seems like it only makes sense. We're actually enhancing some of the issues of that
area.
MR. ETU-What will happen to the existing house on the rear?
MR. CENTER-Demolished.
MR. ZAPPER-Demolished.
MR. ETU-It already is,or it will be?
MR. ZAPPER-No,it will be once it's approved.
MR. TRAVER-Am I recalling that it's sort of an all in the family situation? Yes. I thought so.
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MRS. MOORE-So this project will actually come back to the Planning Board for Site Plan Review,but it
has to go to the Town Board.
MR. TRAVER-Based on the zoning change.
MRS. MOORE-For the zoning change.
MR. DEEB-When do we do the variance,tonight?
MRS. MOORE-That's the,you could provide the recommendation to the Town Board as well as provide a
recommendation to the Zoning Board. It is unusual because we don't typically get a petition of zone
change with a variance.
MR. DEEB-I suggest we do that.
MR. TRAVER-Yes. Good idea. All right. So let's open that up for discussion. Does anyone have any
concerns regarding the variance request for the ZBA and/or the petition to the Town Board to amend the
zoning? Or do we have a favorable recommendation on both? Okay, and our resolution currently only
includes the Town Board. So we want to update that to reflect the Zoning Board of Appeals as well.
MR. DIXON-We're going to incorporate them both?
MR. TRAVER-In the recommendation.
MR. DEEB-So they only have to come back here for site plan.
MRS. MOORE-Correct. So we were trying to see how quickly we could get this project,in reference to
the timing and dates, and unfortunately the Town Board will not meet versus the Planning Board time
schedule for December. So it will move into the January,potentially February.
MR. TRAVER-So we actually have two recommendations, one to the Town Board and one to the Zoning
Board. So we'll do t hem one at a time,I guess starting with the Town Board.
RESOLUTION RE: RECOMMENDATION RE: TOWN BOARD GARDEN WORLD
WHEREAS,the applicant proposes a change of zone for a 0.32 acre parcel at 2 Carlton Dive identified as
Parcel#302.5-1-49 from Moderate Density Residential to Commercial Intensive. The project also includes
a parking lot expansion of a 0.76 acre parcel at 537 Aviation Road with the 0.32 acre parcel. The project
includes associated site work to increase parking to S6 spaces. The project also includes a parcel merge.
Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,179-15-040,petition of zone change,Town Board referral,SEQR for petition
of zone change and parking expansion, Zoning Board of Appeals for variance relief and Planning Board
recommendation shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Planning Board may accept
lead agency,review SEQR and provide recommendation.Variance: Relief is sought for permeability.
WHEREAS,the Town of Queensbury Town Board is proposing a zoning change to Commercial Intensive.
The Town Board referred this proposed change to the Planning Board for an advisory recommendation
pursuant to Section 179-15-020,resolution number 334,2022 dated on September 12,2022;
MOTION FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AS FAVORABLE FOR ZONING
CHANGE FROM MODERATE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE;
The Planning Board based on limited review has not identified any significant adverse impacts that cannot
be mitigated with this proposal.
Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption.
Motion seconded by Brad Magowan. Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following vote:
MRS. MOORE-And the only comment is at the top of the page we will add the Area Variance 50-2022.
50-2022 will be added because it's not currently included.
MR. TRAVER-So we have an amended motion.
MR. DIXON-Laura,do you want any of the header information included in that resolution?
MRS.MOO RE-No,you don't have to. I'm just telling you that it will be amended. Similar to the previous
resolutions. We just need to add it to the resolution title.
AYES: Mr. Longacker,Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Traver
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NOES: NONE
RESOLUTION RE: RECOMMENDATION RE: AV#50-2022 GARDEN WORLD
The applicant has submitted an application for the following: Applicant proposes a change of zone for a
0.32 acre parcel at 2 Carlton Dive identified as Parcel# 302.5-1-49 from Moderate Density Residential to
Commercial Intensive. The project also includes a parking lot expansion of a 0.76 acre parcel at 537
Aviation Road with the 0.32 acre parcel. The project includes associated site work to increase parking to
86 spaces. The project also includes a parcel merge. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,179-15-040,petition of
zone change,Town Board referral,SEQR for petition of zone change and parking expansion,Zoning Board
of Appeals for variance relief and Planning Board recommendation shall be subject to Planning Board
review and approval. The Planning Board may accept lead agency, review SEQR and provide
recommendation.Variance: Relief is sought for permeability.
The Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance,per Section 179-9-070 J 2 b. requires the Planning Board to
provide a written recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals for projects that require both Zoning
Board of Appeals&Planning Board approval;
The Planning Board has briefly reviewed and discussed this application,the relief request in the variance
application as well as the potential impacts of this project on the neighborhood and surrounding
community,and found that:
MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR AREA VARIANCE 50-2022 GARDEN WORLD ASSOCIATES
Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption, and
a) The Planning Board,based on a limited review,has not identified any significant adverse impacts
that cannot be mitigated with current project proposal.
Motion seconded by David Deeb. Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker, Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. ZAPPER-Thank you very much.
MR. TRAVER-The next item on our agenda, also under Old Business,this is for unapproved development
as well. This is Steve&r Tracey Bureau,Site Plan 74-2022.
SITE PLAN NO. 74-2022 SEQR TYPE: TYPE 11. STEVE &z TRACEY BUREAU. AGENT(S):
RUCINSKI-HALL ARCHITECTURE. OWNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: WR.
LOCATION: 5 CHESTNUT ROAD. APPLICANT HAS CONSTRUCTED A 45 SQ. FT.
MUDROOM AND A 22.1 SQ. FT. ADDITION/CLOSET TO AN EXISTING HOME THAT HAS A
FOOTPRINT OF 1,110 SQ. FT. AND DECK/PORCH OF 463 SQ. FT. IN ADDITION,APPLICANT
REPLACED A GARAGE WITH A 228 SQ. FT. SHED. THE HOME HAS AS A FLOOR AREA OF
1,338 SQ.FT. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040,179-6-065,179-5-020&z 179-13-010 SITE PLAN
FOR A NEW FLOOR AREA IN A CEA, SHED INSTALLATION AND EXPANSION OF A NON-
CONFORMING STRUCTURE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND
APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: 59-2022. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: N/A. SITE
INFORMATION: CEA,GLEN LAKE. LOT SIZE: .16 ACRE. TAX MAP NO. 289.13-1-7. SECTION:
179-3-040,179-6-065,179-5-020,179-13-010
ETHAN HALL, REPRESENTING APPLICANTS,PRESENT
MR. TRAVER-Laura?
MRS.MOORE-So this project was in relation to a mudroom addition and an addition of a closet as well as
replacement of a garage with a shed. The Zoning Board of Appeals granted the variance relief in reference
to setbacks.
MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening. Welcome back.
MR. HALL-Good evening. For your records, Ethan Hall,principle with Rucinski Hall Architecture. I'm
here tonight with Steve and Tracey Bureau, the owners of the project. We were before you for a
recommendation about two weeks ago, went to the Zoning Board,received the Area Variances we were
seeking there. We're back before you tonight for final Site Plan Review.
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MR. TRAVER-Okay. Any changes as a result of your chat with the ZBA?
MR.HALL-No.
MR. TRAVER-So it's the same plan that we looked at last time. Questions, comments from members of
the Board? I know we discussed this at some length when they were here for the recommendation.
MR. DEEB-It was egregious unapproved development.
MR. TRAVER-This one wasn't all that terribly egregious,but it was unapproved development. Is there
anyone in the audience that wanted to comment on this application, Steve and Tracey Bureau, Site Plan
74-2022? We'll open the public hearing. I'm not seeing any takers. Are there any written comments,
Laura?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MRS. MOORE-I'll check,but I don't believe there are any.
MR. HALL-There was a dozen for the Zoning Board. I don't think there were any for you. There was a
dozen letters that came from surrounding neighbors and there were five people that spoke at the Zoning
Board. That's the only time I've ever been in front of a Board where I've had that many people and letters
that came in and everybody was approving.
MR. TRAVER-That is unusual.
MR. DEEB-Kudos.
MRS. MOORE-There were no written comments.
MR. TRAVER-All right. Thank you. Then we will go ahead and close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. TRAVER-Any additional questions, comments for the applicant from members of the Board? We
feel comfortable going ahead? We have a resolution.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#74-2022 STEVE&r TRACEY BUREAU
The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board:Applicant has constructed a 45 sq. ft.
mudroom and a 22.1 sq. ft. addition/closet to an existing home that has a footprint of 1,110 sq. ft. and
deck/porch of 463 sq. ft.. In addition, applicant replaced a garage with a 22S sq. ft. shed. The home has a
floor area of 1,33E sq. ft.. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040, 179-6-065, 179-5-020 &r 179-13-010, site plan for
new floor area in a CEA,shed installation and expansion of a non-conforming structure shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning
Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code;
The Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals on 11/15/2022-1 the ZBA
approved the variance requests on 11/16/2022-1
The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 11/29/2022 and continued the
public hearing to 11/29/2022,when it was closed,
The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments
made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 11/29/2022;
The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and
standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval,
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 74-2022 STEVE&z TRACEY BUREAU;Introduced by Michael
Dixon who moved for its adoption.
According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following:
1) Waivers requested granted:h. signage,n traffic,o. commercial alterations/construction details,q.
soil logs,r.construction/demolition disposal s.snow removal as it is reasonable to request a waiver
as these items are typically associated with commercial projects;
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2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for
requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired;
3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution.
a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall
be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff,
b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the Wastewater
Department for its review, approval,permitting and inspection;
c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not
be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office;
d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of
Zoning Administrator of the approved plans;
e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor
plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site
improvements;-
f) If required,the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES
General Permit from Construction Activity"prior to the start of any site work.
b. The project NOT(Notice of Termination)upon completion of the project;
c. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff:
i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning
Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water
Pollution Prevention Plan)when such a plan was prepared and approved;
ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General
Permit,or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project if required.
g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and
Codes personnel;
h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work;
i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution;
j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans.
Motion seconded by Brady Stark. Duly adopted this 29`h day of November 2022 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker,Mr. Stark,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-You are all set.
MR.HALL-Excellent. Thank you very much. We appreciate your time.
MR. TRAVER-Is there any other business to come before the Board this evening? All right. Well,thank
you everyone. We'll see you next month and we'll entertain a motion to adjourn.
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF NOVEMBER
29TI,2022,Introduced by Brady Stark who moved for its adoption,seconded by David Deeb:
Duly adopted this 29`h day of November,2022,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Longacker, Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Traver
NOES: NONE
MR. TRAVER-We stand adjourned. Thank you,everybody.
On motion meeting was adjourned.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Stephen Traver,Chairman
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