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1982-12-14 15 TOWN BOARD MEETING DECMEBER 14 , 1982 TOWN BOARD MEMBERS MRS. FRANCES WALTER-SUPERVISOR MR. DANIEL OLSON-COUNCILMAN DR. CHARLES EISENHART-COUNCILMAN MR. DANIEL MORRELL-COUNCILMAN MRS . BETTY MONAHAN-COUNCILMAN MR. JOSEPH BRENNAN-TOWN COUNSEL PRESS: G. F. POST STAR, CHANNEL 13 NEWS , WBZA GUESTS : MR. PEACOCK , MR. PENSEL , MRS . HALL , MR. BLY , MR. TURNBULL , MR. DAIRE , MR. KENNY , MRS . SCARSCELLETA , MR. WOLF , MR. WIDEMAN , LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS TOWN OFFICIALS : MR. DEAN , MR. JUDKINS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN MONAHAN MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR MR. ROBERT BEDORE. . . MEETING OPENED 7 : 35 P. M. TOWN BEDARD OPENED AS THE QUEENSBURY BOARD OF HEALTH PUBLIC HEARINGS-NOTICE SHOWN 7 : 38 P. M. UNSAFE STRUCTURE PUBLIC HEARING, NATHAN LETHBRIDGE DWELLING ON MINNESOTA AVE . SUPERVISOR WALTER- ASKED IF THERE WAS ANYONE PRESENT TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THE NATHAN LETHBRIDGE DWELLING ON MINNESOTA AVE . WE HAVE HAD SOME PROBLEMS IN CONTACTING BOTH OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED REGARDING THE UNSAFE STRUCTURE , IT WAS ADVERTISED) THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAINLY CONCERNED HERE-THE OWNERS .WERE NOT CONTACTED UNTIL LATE LAST WEEK . I WOULD LIKE TO RECESS THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. . . PUBLIC HEARING-NOTICE SHOWN 7 : 39 P. M. 1 UNSAFE STRUCTURE PUBLIC HEARING THE BALTIS PROPERTY , AVIATION RD. SUPERVISOR WALTER- ASKED IF THERE WAS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK RELATIVE TO THAT. COUNCILMAN OLSON- I RECEIVED A CALL LATE THIS EVENING , ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY IS ILL THIS EVENING AND A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE REALtSTATE CO. , MR. MARZOLA) WAS COMING BUT WAS CALLED OUT OF TOWN. HE SAID THAT NEITHER ONE OF THE PARTIES COULD BE HERE THIS EVENING BUT THEIR PLANS ARE THAT THEY WILL MEET WITH THE BUILDING DEPT . IN SEVEN TO TEN DAYS TO DISCUSS BUILDING PLANS , APPROXIMATELY THIRTY DAYS FROM NOW THEY EXPECT TO HAVE ANOTHER BUILD- ING. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- IN THE MEAN TIME DO WE NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AN OPEN FOUNDATION. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM THERE . . . IT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION THAT WE ALSO RECESS THIS HEARING UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING-HOPEFULLY THE RROSLRM WOULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, AND THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION AS TO LEGAL TIME AS FAR AS BEING CONTACTED. MR. DEAN- THEY WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THE RECESS OF THE HEARING. . . f ` SUPERVISOR WALTER-WE WILL ANTICIPATE A LEGAL RESPONSE ON THE 28TH-IF WE DO NOT HEAR FROM EITHER PARTY THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION ON BOTH OF THE STRUCTURES AT THAT TIME. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- HOW DANGEROUS IS IT? MR. DEAN- THE LETHBRIDGE PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN DISREPAIR FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. PART OF THE COLLAPSED STRUCTUREjBEING THE GARAGE IS LAYING ACROSS A NEIGHBORS FENCE AND THAT HAS BEEN SINCE LAST WINTER. MR. LETHBRIDGE AND HIS NEPHEW HAVE REMOVED SOME OF THE TIMBER. . . COUNCILMAN EISENHART- IS IT MORE AESTHETIC OR DANGEROUS? MR. DEAN- BOTH - THE HOUSE , I DO NOT BELIEVE WILL MAKE IT THROUGH THE WINTER. . 16 SUPERVISOR WALTER— DO I HAVE A MOTION TO RECESS UNTIL THE 28TH COUNCILMAN OLSON INTRODUCED AND COUNCILMAN EISENHART SECONDED THE RECESS . . . ALL AGREED BOARD OF HEALTH ADJOURNED. SUPERVISOR WALTER— RECOGNIZED MICHAEL O' KEEFE WHO IS A SIXTH GRADE STUDENT AT G. F. MIDDLE SCHOOL- RE IS ATTENDING THE MEETING TONIGHT TO OBSERVE HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS , I MET HIM AT THE WARREN CO. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HE IS DOING THIS AS PART OF PROJECT KINDLE. PUBLIC HEARING-NOTICE READ-LOCAL LAWFROVIDING FOR THE ABOLITION AND DISCONTINUANCE OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPARTMENT 7 : 43 P. M. SUPERVISOR WALTER— WE HAVE BEFORE US FOR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING A LOCAL LAW TO ABOLISH THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE TOWN BOARD HAS APPROVED A BUDGET FOR 1983 USING A CONTRACTUAL AMOUNT FOR POLICE COVERAGE INSTEAD OF FUNDING AN ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. IN CHOSSING THIS $COURCE , THE BOARD HAS CONSIDERED RISING COSTS AS WELL AS EFFICIENCY OF OPERATIONS . THE ABOLISHMENT OF OUR TOWN POLICE DEPARTMEidT, ALTHOUGH A SEPARATE ISSUE , HAS BEEN LINKED WITH THE DESIRE TO CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER AGENCY FOR POLICE SERVICES . THE TOWN BOARD DOES NOT WANT , UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES , TO CUT POLICE PROTECTION WITHIN THE TOWN. THE BOARD IS FULLY AWARE OF THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE SERVICES THAN ARE CURRENTLY PROVIDED IN THE TOWN BY THE NEW YORK STATE POLICE AND THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AS A PART OF THE RECORD OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THE FOLLOWING FACTS WHICH HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED IN THE PROPOSAL TO AB605H THE EXISTING RI-ICE DEPARTMENT. 1 . THE CONTRACT FOR POLICE COVERAGE BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WOULD BE FOR I ' ' PATROLS ' ' IN ADDITION TO THE COVERAGE ALREADY PROVIDED BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THE NUMBER OF PATROLS ( MEN ON DUTY) PROPOSED IS EQUIVALENT TO OR ON A GIVEN DAY MAY BE MORE THAN THE TOWN CURRENTLY PROVIDES . THE MEN WILL BE HIRED FROM THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL AND BY THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT ARE TO PATROL ONLY IN THE PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES OF THE TOWN . 2 . THE SAME POLICE COVERAGE PROVIDED IN THE TOWN UNDER A CON- TRACTUAL AGREEMENT WILL COST APPROXIMATELY $250 , 000 . 00 LESS THAN THE �» RETENTION OF THE CURRENT DEPARTMENT . THIS IS A FIRST YEAR SAVINGS OF NEARLY ONE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS WITH OVER $50 , 000 . 00 IIN CLOSE—OUT COSTS. 3. A REPORT ENTITLED ' ' CONSOLIDATION STUDY OF POLICE OPERATIONS ' ' PREPARED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMINAL .JUSTICE SERVICES IN ALBANY RECOMMENDS ' ' ESTABLISHMENT OF CONTRACT LAW ENFORCEMENT ' ' . THE STUDY SPECIFICALLY STATES NINE MEN COULD HANDLE THE QUEENSBURY CASELOAD. THE STATISTICS WERE COMPILED BY THE LOCAL DEPARTMENTS . IN JUNE OF 1981 THE TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT SHIFTED ITS NIGHTTIME DISPATCHING TO THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF 'S DEPARTMENT AS AN ECONOMY MOVE , BECAUSE OF THE FINE COOPERATION BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN , THE ARRANGEMENT HAS WORKED OUT WELL. WITH THE ABOLITION OF THE TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT , TOWN RESIDENTS WILL NOT SUFFER LOSS OF POLICE PROTECTION PROVIDED A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT IS SIGNED WITH THE COUNTY FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE PROTECTION. INDEED, A CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT , AS THE NEXT STEP AFTER DISSOLUTION OF THE DEPARTMENT , GUARANTEES CONSTANT POLICE COVERAGE DAY—AFTER—DAYJSOMETHING OUR LOCAL DEPARTMENT CANNOT DO. BASED ON THESE FACTS AND ON MY DAILY MONITORING OF THE SECURITY AND SAFETY OF QUEENSBURY RESIDENTS , I STAND FIRMLY IN FAVOR OF PASSING THE LOCAL LAW TONIGHT. COUNCILMAN EISENHART— I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT i THIS SINCE I GOT ELECTED TO THE TOWN COUNSEL ALMOST , I . . . TO THE ORIGINAL STUDY THAT WAS MADE WHICH RECOMMENDED A DISTRICT THING , RATHER THAN JUST A CONTRACT BIT. I AM THRO UGHLY CONVINCED THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO GO., IT WOULD MEAN AN ENOStk'Ow,5, SAVINGS WITHOUT A LOSS OF POLICE PROTECTION . I AM VERY STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS MOVE. COUNCILMAN MORRELL— I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT HERE. I QUESTION THE TIMING OF THIS CHANGE. WF AS THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE BUDGET FOR $250 ,000, FOR POLICE PROTECTION IN NOVEMBER , NOW IN DECEMBER , WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR INPUT ON DISSOLVING THE POLICE DEPT. I THINK WE HAVE THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE^I WONDER WHY WE DID NOT HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE SET THE BUDGET, TO GET THE PUBLIC INPUT. 17 SUPERVISOR WALTER- I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION , MR. MORRELL , THE IDEA WAS TO DISSOLVE THE DEPARTMENT BY RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN BOARD IN AS MUCH THAT IS HOW THE DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED. IN DOING ADDITIONAL RESEARCHjTHE TOWN COUNSEL INDICATED THAT THE WAY TO ABOLISH THE DEPARTMENT WAS BY LOCAL LAW. HAD WE PASSED A RESOLUTIONjWE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING AND BECAUSE A LOCAL LAW REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARINGjWE ARE MEETING HERE THIS EVENING. COUNCILMAN MORRELL- A FEW MORE COMMENTS , WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT THREE DAYS TO SEE IF-FiE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVES THE CONTRACT , IS THAT CORRECT? SUPERVISOR WALTER- TRUE COUNCILMAN MORRELL-WHERE DO WE GO IF IT IS NOT APPROVED? SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT WILL BE APPROVED, MR. MORRELL. COUNCILMAN MORRELL- THE OTHER COMMENTS I HAVE TO MAKE PROBABLY DO NOT HOLD THAT MUCH WATER, TO ME THERE IS A SENSE OF SECURITY IN KEEPING WHAT YOU HAVE. SOMETIMES I FEEL PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY MORE FOR SOMETHING THEY FEEL THEY NEED AND THEY WANT , IT IS WHY DOES A PERSON BUY A CONTINENTAL OR CADILLAC WHEN THEY COULD GET TO WORK ON A HONDAO THEY FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT. I QUESTION OUR GIVING UP LOCAL CONTROL-WHAT HAPPENS IF OUR RAPORT WITH THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. IS NOT WHAT IT SHOULD BE , WILL WE STILL GET THE IMMEASURABLE EXTRA THAT WE NOW GET , WITH OUR PRESENT POLICE DEPT. THE KNOWLEDGE OF VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS ENABLES THEM TO HANDLE DOMESTIC SQUABBLES) TEEN PROBLEMS AND I FEEL THAT OUR LOCAL POLICE UNDERSTANDING OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHARAG'UtS1i S VERY ESSENTIAL. I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION . . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- DOES ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER WISH TO COMMENT AT THIS TIME? COUNCILMAN OLSON- I AM IN FAVOR OF THE CONSOLIDATION PLAN , THE PLAN TO HAVE THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF' S DEPT. PROVIDE POLICE COVERAGE FOR THE TOWN OF CUEENSBURY . AFTER TALKING WITH A NUMBER OF OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE EMPLOYED BY THE nUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT RIPF_R `I��1�LY_" AND GETTI�1r_ T4iPIR VIEWS , JUST RECENTLY IN THE LAST FEW WEEK A D IN ING OUT THEIR PERSONAL `HEWS AND HOW THEY THINK IT WOULD WORK , AND HOW THEY THINK THE COVERAGE WOULD BE-I AM SATISIFIED THAT THIS PLAN WOULD WORK FOR THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. IN ADDITION f TO THE COST SAVINGS AND SAVINGS IN DUPLICATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, TELETYPES AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND COSTS THAT GO ON IN THE OFFICE) WOULD BE ELIMINATED WHICH IS A GREAT SAVINGS TO US THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR AND YEARS TO COME. I WOULD SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- AS YOU KNOW , I AM IN FAVOR OF IT , FOR ONE THING , I THINK THAT OUR PATROLMEN WILL HAVE A BETTER CHANCE FOR ADVANCEMENT UNDER THE COUNTY SYSTEM. I THINK THE TOWN IS GOING TO HAVE BETTER POLICE PROTECTION , I SHOULD POINT OUT IN THE SURVEY MRS . WALTER MENTIONED, THAT THEY FORCAST A BUDGET OF A MILLION DOLLARS BY 1987 FOR THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. AND 2 MILLION BY 1991 UNDER THE PRESENT SETUP. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I WOULD ASK FOR ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC RELATIVE ' TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ABOLITION OF THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. I WOULD ASK THAT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING THAT. YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND APPROACH THE MICROPHONE. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE LOCAL LAW TO ABOLISH THE QTY. POLICE DEPT. CHARLES .JUDKINS-CHIEF OF POLICE , QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. - F GREAT DEAL OF TIME SINCE THIS RESOLUTION OR THE INTENTION OF THE TOWN BOARD TO ABOLISH THIS DEPARTMENT I HAVE MORE OR LESS KEPT RELATIVELY QUIET. AS FAR AS THE MEETING HAS BEEN CONCERNED. BUT , I THINK THAT THE TIME HAS COME FOR ME TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS. IN YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT MRS . WALTER YOU SAID THAT DCJS RECOMMENDED THE CONSOLIDATION OR THE CONTRACTING WITH THE SHERIFF'S �. DEPT. AND I AGREE WITH THAT , HOWEVER THEY ALSO STATED THAT IN ORDER TO DO IT PROPERLY YOU 'NEED FORTY SIX MEN . BY TAKING NINE MEN WITH THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF' S DEPT. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THIRTY NINE MEN , YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SEVEN MEN SHORT TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT YOU HAVE TOLD THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE. IT CANNOT BE DONE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I WOULD INDICATE THAT THE NUMBER DID NOT COME FROM THIS TOWN BOARD BUT RATHER THE SHERIFF OF WARREN COY AS TO HOW HE COULD FULFILL THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. THE SHERIFF OF WARREN CO. INDICATED THAT HE COULD DO IT WITH NINE ADDITIONAL MEN TO HIS DEPARTMENT OF THIRTY . CHARLES JUDKINS- THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF INDICATED HE COULD , HAS ANYBODY IN- VESTIGATED THIS TO SEE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE DONE OR WAS HIS WORD JUST TAKEN VERBATIM? lg SUPERVISOR WALTER- I THINK IT WAS INVESTIGATEDJWE HAVE LOOKED INTO IT -WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHY AND HOW. CHARLES JUDKINS- YOU ALSO MADE A REMARK THAT BY CONTRACTING WITH THE SHERIFF'! DEPT. THAT DAY AFTER DAY YOU WOULD GET BETTER PROTECTION THEN IS NOW PROVIDED BY THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. SUPERVISOR WALTER- GUARANTEED PROTECTION . CHARLES JUDKINS- I ASK YOU MR1 WALTER , HOW? SUPERVISOR WALTER- GUARANTEED PROTECTION , MR. JUDKINS YOU HAD TWO MEN WORKING THE OTHER DAY., IS THAT RIGHT? r CHARLES JUDKINS- I HAD TWO MEN WORKING THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE MY DEPT. IS TWO MEN SHORT AND YOU WILL NOT REPLACE THEM. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THAT IS RIGHT. --' CHARLES JUDKINS-I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THREE MEN ON THE ROAD IF, THEY HAD BEEN REPLACED. SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU HAD ONE THAT CALLED:.I31 SICK. CHARLES JUDKINS-UNDER THE PRESENT CONDITIONS., IF THEY ALL CALLED IN SICK I COULD NOT BLAME THEM. THERE WAS ALSO A REMARK MADEjI THINK IT WAS BY MRS. MONAHANITO THE EFFECT THAT THERE IS A GREATER CHANCE FOR ADVANCEMENT BY MEN IN THE WARREN CO. POLICE DEPT. THEN THERE IS IN THE QSBY. POLICE DEPT. I WONDER IF SHE TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THAT TWO OF THE MEN ARE (ONG TO BE REDUCED FROM SARGEANT TO PATROLMAN AND TWO INVESTIGATORS ARE GOING TO BE REDUCED TO PATROLMAN. T DO NOT SEE WHERE THE ADVANCEMENT COMES IN THERE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THEY ARE GOING TO BE HIRED AS PATROLMEN . MRS . MONAHAN- I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT: lN THE FUTURE CHIEF JUDKINS. CHARLES JUDKINS- THIS IS A PRESENT SITUATION , WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE) WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRESENT SITUATION . I CAN TELL YOU THIS MRS . WALTER AND EVERY MEMBER OF IFE TOWN BOARD,, THAT WITH NINE MEND THE MOST MEN YOU CAN PUT ON THE ROAD AT ANY ONE GIVEN TIME IS ONE POINT EIGHT)-ONE MEN , THAT IS NOT TWO MEN, YOU CANNOT PUT TWO PATROLMEN ON THAT ROAD , IT CANNOT BE DONE IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THAT IS YOUR OPINION. CHARLES JUDKINS- THAT IS NOT MY OPINION# THAT IS THE OPINION OF A PATROL ANALYSIS FORMULA WHICH EVERY POLICE DEPT. USES , IT IS NOT MY OPINION , IT JUST CANNOT BE DONE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THAT IS YOUROPINION. CHARLES JUDKINS- IT IS NOT M( OPINION MRS . WALTER IT IS THE OPINION OF A PATROL ANALYSIS FORMULA W`HI,M IS A BASIC TOOL USED BY EVERY POLICE DEPT. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE BECAUSE I AM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID HERE TONIGHT., IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE OPINION OF THE TOWN BOARD HOWEVER I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MY COMMENTS KNOWN AND I HOPE I HAVE NOT INSULTED, IF I HAVE I APOLOGIZE , I HAVE NOT LEANT TO BE INSUBORDINATE OR IN ANY WAY DISRESPECTFUL TO THE TOWN BOARD) ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS., THIS IS A MISTAKE. THANK YOU. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS MR. JUDKINS . COUNCIYM MONAHAN- IN COMMENT TO CH. JUDKINS REMARKS THAT THERE WELL NOT BE HA UNT OF PROTECTION ON THE ROAD� LET ME READ TO YOU FROM THE PROPOSED CONTRACT IF IT IS ALL RIGHT TO READ THIS AT THIS TIME . THE COUNTY SHALL PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF TWO POLICE OFFICERS AND TWO PATROL CARS TO PATROL THE TOWN DURING THE HOURS OF 8 A. M. TO MIDNIGHT EACH DAY IN ADDITION TO THE PATROLS NOW BEING PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY IN THE TOWN AND ONE PATROL CAR WITH TWO MEN DURING THE HOURS OF MIDNIGHT TO BA. M. EACH DAY : IN ADDITION TO THE PATROL Nnlpl BEING PRn\/IDED BY THE COUNTY IN THE TOWN, DURING THE TERM OF THIS AGREEMENT . THI, IS ' WHAT WE ARE CONTRACTING FOR—IT IS GOING TO BE UP TO THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. TO HAVE ENOUGH MEN SO THAT HE CAN FULFILL THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. ,BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE CONTRACTINC FOR AND WILL BE OUT THERE ON THAT ROAD. 19 SUPERVISOR WALTER- ONE THING WE ALSO HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST IS THAT THE CONTRACTOIT IS A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT , IT IS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT RENEWABLE FOR FIVE YEARS WHICH IS HOW THE COUNTY PUTS TOGETHER ITS CONTRACTS. BUT , WE HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT BIG GROWTHS IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND WHETHER WE WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL MEN OR ADDITIONAL CARS . IT IS NOT UNLIKELY THAT IN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD OR A TEN YEAR PERIOD] THE CONTRACT IS RENEWED AGAIN THAT THE NUMBERS WILL CHANGE AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE LOST SIGHT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MEN , WE ARE TALKING PATROLS AND MRS . MONAHAN MADE A VERY GOOD POINT THE SHERIFF INDICATES THAT HE CAN DO IT WITH THAT MANY ADDITIONAL MEN , WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MENJWE ARE TALKING IN THE CONTRACT ABOUT PATROLS AND THE PATROLS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE JUST WHAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN NOW , SO YOU CAN SAY THAT IT CANNOT BE DONEjOR WHAT EVER,, BUT WE HAVE A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT CONTRACT , THE TERMS OF THAT CONTRACT NEED TO BE FULFILLED. THAT IS WHAT A CONTRACT IS ALL ABOUT—THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSEDIBEEN PUT TOGETHER BY THE PRESENT SHERIFF, THE NEW SHERIFF TO BE, MYSELF , GOODSPEED AND LEGALLYITHE WORDING OF IT WAS PUT TOGETHER BY TWO DIFFERENT ATTORNIES . ' Sb, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ARE TERMS OF A CONTRACT- IF WE HAD A CONTRACT WHEN IT SAID WE WOULD HAVE TWO PATROLS FOR EIGHTEEN HOURS A DAY AND HE SAID HE COULD DO IT WITH TWO ADDITIONAL MEN, WELL THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT HOW TO FULFILL THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. FIE HAS INDICATED HE COULD DO IT WITH NINE ADDITIONAL MEN AND THAT DISAGREES WITH MR. JUDKINS. I THINK IT IS ONE POINT WE HAVE LOST SIGHT OF FROM THE BEGINNING , HOW CAN THIS COVERAGE BE THE SAME WHEN WE ARE WORKING WITH SIX LESS MEN-WELL WE DO 'NOT HAVE THE CHIEF BECAUSE WE HAVE .THE SHERIFF- WE ARE DOING AWAY WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PEOPLE AND HE HAS INDICATED THAT THOSE CARS WILL BE FILLED , THAT IS SIX MEN 'A DAY AND HE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT WITH-=VACATIONS WITH NINE MEN. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MR. FRANK BLY-12 RIVER STREET , 1*!HAT HAPPENS WITH THIS OFFICE OVER HERE AND THE EQUIPMENT IN IT) HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS? SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE CONTRACT STATES THAT SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE GOING WITH THE MEN . MR. FRANK BLY- WHY SHOULDA� . GIVE WARREN CO . OUR EQIPMENT , WE ARE TAXPAYERS HERE. r i SUPERVISOR WALTER- AND THE REST OF THE EQUIPMENT , THEY HAVE AN INVENTORY SHEET-THEY WILL BE PURCHASING FROM THE TOWN , THE MEN , THE PATROLMEN HAVE REQUESTED THAT THEY TAKE THEIR OWN WEAPONS WITH THEM iTHEIR OWN HOLSTERS AND ONLY THOSE THINGS GO. MR. FRANK BLY- DO THEY OWN THEM? FF SUPERVISOR WALTER- NO , THAT IS PART4CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT MR . FRANK BLY-. . .WE ARE THE ONES PAYING FOR IT THENjNOT WARREN CO. . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOU MR. BLY. MR. FRANK BLY- THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY IS PAYING FOR. . . WE ARE TAXPAYERS SUPERVISOR WALTER-IT IS PART OF THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT INITIALLY NINE MR. FRANK BLY- WHAT ABOUT THE TWO CARS THAT ARE GOING , WHAT ABOUT THE TWO CARS WHEN THOSE HAVE GOT TO BE REPLACED? SUPERVISOR WALTER- INITIALLY WE WILL PROVIDE TWO CARS WITH ABOUT FIFTY THOUSAND MILES, BETTER READ MR. FRANK BLY . .,/!YOUR AGREEMENT , THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I HAVE READ IT , IT WAS JUST DELIVERED TO ME THIS AFTER- NOON. MR. ARTHUR TURNBULL- WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT , YOU HAW EA FIVE YEAR CONTRACT IS THAT CORRECT? SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT IS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT RENEWABLE FOR FIVE YEARS . MR. ARTHUR TURNBULL- IS THERE ANY PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE IN THE CONTRACT] IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN PUT OUR TEETH IN , ON THE COUNTY LEVEL THEY WILL NOT INCREASE ANYMORE THAN TENPERCENT OVER AND ABOVE WHAT IT IS THIS YEAR WHERE THE POTENTIAL INCREASE IS $25 ,000 OK? 20 SUPERVISOR WALTER- YES , WE HAVE A CEILING MR. ARTHUR TURNBULL- THIS HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED IN REGARDS TO A CEILING? HAS ANYBODY MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THE CONTRACT COULD POSSIBLY INCREASE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND THAT WOULD BE IT , SUPERVISOR WALTER- I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO INCREASE IF YOU WERE DOING IT FOR FIVE OR TEN YEARS HOWEVER WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WE COULD CONTRACT FOR TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND THIS YEAR AND THE COUNTY COULD SAY TO USJWE CAN ' T DO IT WITH THAT AND WE WANT THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND NEXT YEARIAND THAT OF COURSE WAS A MAJOR CONCERN TO THE TOWN BOARD. SO , THE CONTRACT TERM READS , ANY INCREASE IN COSTS TO THE TOWN DURING ANY ONE OF THE SAID FOUR YEARS , NOW , THE FIRST YEAR IS FOR TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND , OF THE SAID FOUR YEARS MAY NOT EXCEED THE SUM EQUAL TO SEVEN PERCENT OF THE COST TO THE TOWN FOR THE YEAR 1983. MR. ARTHUR TURNBULL- I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS WAS EVER BROUGHT OUT TO MAKE THE PEOPLE KNOWLEDGABLE ABOUT IT. I THINK THAT IS WHY THEY ARE APPREHENSIVE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE FIGURE , LIKE DAN MORRELL , COUNCILMAN MORRELL WAS VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE HE FIGURES THAT WE MIGHT GET OURSELVES IN A SITUATION AND FIND OUM WE ARE GETTING OURSELVES INVOLVED IN SOMETHING WE CANNOT HANDLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING THAT IS TANGIBLE IN REGARDS TO THE POTENTIAL INCREASE PERCENTAGE WISE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOUR POINT IS VERY WELL TAKEN-IS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED AND I AM SORRY THAT IT WAS NOT BROUGHT OUT. I COULD REVIEW THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM. MR. ARTHUR TURNBULL- NO , NO� NOT FOR MY POINT� I WANTED IT BROUGHT OUT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING, SOME GUIDE LINES TO GO BY FOR PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE IN THE ENSUING YEARS , THAT IS ALL. SUPERVISOR WALTER-THAT IS A SEVEN PERCENT INCREASE MAXIMUM, OK ,ON THE BASE YEAR OF TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS . MR. ARTHUR TURNBULL- THIS IS LESS THAN TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS THEN. . COUNCILMAN OLSON- 17 ,500 j COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I THINK THE REASON IT WAS NOT BROUGHT OUT BEFORE WAS THAT THE PHILOSOPHY WAS THERE., THAT WE HAD TO HAVE A CEILING ON IT- BUT ONE OF THE FINE POINTS THAT HAD TO BE WORKED OUT WAS THE PERCENTAGE AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED PERCENTAGE BEFORE BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE FINE POINTS THAT WAS FINALLY DECIDED. SUPERVISOR WALTER- AS TO WHAT PERCENTAGEjTOOK A LOT OF NEGOTIATING, MR. ARTHUR TURNBULL- I AM SORRY I HAD TO BRING IT TO A HEAD. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I AM GLAD YOU DID) I THINK IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- THIS IS WHY WE COULD NOT GIVE YOU A PERCENTAGE A MONTH AGO OR SOMETHING, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAD TO BE WORKED OUT. MR. ARTHUR TURNBULL-YOU KNOW THAT I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ELDERLY IN THIS TOWN-WE HAVE OVER TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED OF THEMIRIGHT? I AM CONCERNED ABOUT TAX FACTORS AND EVERTHING ELSE ALSO BESIDES POLICE PROTECTION , I AM CONCERNED ABOUT BOTH OF THESE THINGS . THAT IS WHY I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE IN REGARDS TO POSSIBLE INCREASE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO HAVE A BEARING ON TAX STRUCTURE AND ALSO A BEARING ON THE FACT OF PROTECTION WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THE ELDERLY OF THIS TOWN. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THANK YOU. MR. DAIRE? JOSEPH DAIRE-SO. nUEENSBURY-I AM WONDERING WHY WE LET THE POLICE DEPT . GROW LIKE IT HAS? TO GET MY OWN MIND SETTLEDjI WOULD LIKE TO KNOW , I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF THE FELLOWS FROM THE POLICE DEPT . WANTS TO GO TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. AND NOW OF COURSE OUR CHIEF OF POLICE OF QUEENSBURY WANTS TO KEEP THE POLICE DEPT. I WOULD DO THE SAME THING MYSELF. IT IS TOO BAD WE GOT BIG LIKE THIS AND GOING TO DISSOLVE IT. I WILL SAY ONE THING. . . I HAVE BEEN AWAY SEVERAL TIMESII HAVE CONTACTED THE CHIEF?SOFFICE TOLD THEM I WOULD BE AWAY AND EVEN CONTACTED THE BOYS ON THE ROAD THAT I WOULD BE AWAY AND CALL- 21 EACH TIME I CAME BACK AND I THANK THE TOWN POLICE DEPT. FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR ME, IN PUEENSBURY. THANK YOU. DAVID KENNY-HIGHWAY HOST MOTEL ROUTE 9 QUEENSBURY-AS A BUSINESS PERSON ALL I CAN SAY IS THE TOWN POLICE ARE PEOPLE I CAN CALL ON AND GET RESPONSE RIGHT AWAY. SOMETIMES I WONDER WHEN THE SHERIFF'S ARE THERE , THEY DO NOT KNOW ME-THEY DO NOT KNOW THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN°LIKE MR. MORRELL SAID , THEY CANNOT HANDLE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROBLEMS . IN THE SUMMER TIME WHEN WE HAVE TOURIST:" IN THE AREA, THE TOWN POLICE DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY . THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. DOESN ' T. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PROUD TO HAVE THEM� I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. EVEN THOUGH THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. IS A QUARTER A MILE DOWN THE ROAD FROM ME/ I PREFER CALLING THE TOWN POLICE BECAUSE I CAN GET THEM IN TWO MINUTES IF I NEED THEM. YOU ARE SAYING THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. WILL DO ITiI CANNOT SEE HOW AND I DO NOTUg N�YET , MY SON AND DAUGHTER ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH YET BUT I HAVE BEEN IN BIG CITIES WHERE IF SOMEBODY GETS IN AN ACCIDENT AND A COP COMES KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR, YOUR SON OR YOUR DAUGHTER WAS JUST HURT, THEY DO NOT CARE WHO YOU ARE, IT DOES NOT MATTEROIT IS JUST YOUR JOB. I FEEL PROUD TO HAVE THE POLICE COME AND BE CONCERNED , YOU SAID WE WILL GET THAT FROM THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. , I DO NOT KNOW. I ONLY CARE ABOUT THE PROTECTION, I CARE ABOUT THE FRIENDL'INESS� THE WAY THEY TREAT US AND THE WAY THEY TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS. WE ARE LOOKING FOR NEW BUSINESS] BRING BUSINESS INTO TOWN., � TFINK IT IS A BIG SELLING POINT HAVING A TOWN POLICE, TO SHOW (COMPAN,ION Wl EN YOU NEED IT, TO HELP YOU. A LOT OF POLICE IN THE CITY THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB BUT THEY CANNOT HELP YOU WHEN YOU ARE IN NEED-THIS POLICE DEPT. ALWAYS HAS HELPED MEITHEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ON THE SPOT WHEN I NEEDED THEM. I HAVE HAD RUN IN 'S WITH THEM SURE., I GOT MY SPEEDING TICKETS FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACEITHEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB. THEY SHOW COMPANIONSHIP ALSO,AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED. I THINKITO GIVE THEM UP AND SAY THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. CAN DO THE JOB , THEY CAN ' T. TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY PATROLING THE STREETS WE WILL SEE HOW WELL IT. WORKS . YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAJOR CITIESIEVERYONE OF THEM HAS PROBLEMS WITH THE POLICE DEPT. THERE IS NO COMPANIONSHIPjNO ONE KNOWS WHO IS COMING THROUGH THE DOOR. I JUST HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS TO MY FAMILY, TO HAVE TO HAVE A STRANGER COME TO MY DOOR AND TELL ME. SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PERSONNEL FROM THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE , SOME OF THEM WILL BE AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPT . THE FACES WILL STILL BE FAMILIAR AND WE DO HAVE SOME TRAINED PATROLMEN THAT I AM SURE WILL GIVE THE SAME KIND OF SERVICE IN THE OTHER UNIFORM. MR. DAVID KENNY-THAT IS THE NINE TODAY, WHAT ABOUT FIVE YEARS , SIX YEARS , SEVEN YEARS SUPERVISOR WALTER- I WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE NINE ARE STILL WITH US . MR. DAVID KENNY-NINE WILL , WE MAY HAVE TWENTY FIVE PATROLMEN WHEN THE TOWN GROWS THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO GROW=+THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GROW . I THINK THAT THE CONTRACT HAS NOT BEEN LOOKED AT THAT WELL�IF IT IS POSSIBLE IT HAS GOT TO GO THIS ROUTE , IS IT POSSIBLE TO LOOK IN AND SEE A PERCENTAGE OF POLICE , SHERIFF' S HAVE TO COME FROM THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY TO PATROL AND (SEEP THAT PERCENTAGE IN THE CONTRACT , HAVE THAT WRITTEN IN TO SAFE- GUARD TO KEEP LOCAL PEOPLE AROUND IN THIS TOWN) TO PUT LOCAL PEOPLE TO WORK . WHAT IS TO SAY IN FIVE YEARS IN WARREN COUNTY , OUR MONEY WILL BE PAYING FOR IT TO BE PUTTING OUTSIDE RESIDENTS , WOULD YOU LIKE IT TODAY? SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU CANNOT DO THAT MR. DAVID KENNY- THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOS_Tl _r_, - THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GIVING UP. 'SUPERVISOR WALTER-YOU CAN ' T DO THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A WARREN COUNTY RESIDENT TO BE DEPUTIZED AND YOU ARE ALSO DEALING WITH CIVIL SERVICE. CIVIL SERVICE DEALS WITH COUNTY RESIDENTS ALSO. MR. DAVID KENNY- NOT THE TOWN POLICE DEPT. THOUGH , THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GIVING UP. YOU ARE SAYING NINE ARE GOING TODAY WITH WARREN COUNTY BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IN TEN YEARS FROM NOW ANYBODY FROM WARREN COUNTY HAS TO BE IW THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY HAS TO BE ON THE WARREN CO. POLICE DEPT. OR THE SHERIFF 'S DEPT. THEY DO NOT, IT IS CIVIL SERVICE. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN-I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY THAT ARE ALREADY MEMBERS OF THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF' S DEPT. AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY YEARS. MR. DAVID KENNY- I AM NOT SAYING WHICH WAY IT WILL GOBI DONY' KNOW] YOU CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE. 22 COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- IT IS JUST LOGIC WITH THE AMOUNT OF POPULATION AND THE PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION THAT THE TOWN OF PUEENSBURY HAS THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE ON THAT FORCE ARE ALMOST BOUND TO COME FROM THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY . MR. DAVID KENNY- )THE OTHER THING YOU ARE DEALING WITH IS LOCAL PEOPLE , WHEN YOU WORK FOR A SMALL CONTRACTOR OR A SMALL COMMUNITY YOU FEEL A LOT MORE TIES AND YOU HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO ANSWER TO SOMEBODY THAT IS LOCAL. WHEN THE RESPONSIBILITY GOES TO WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF' S DEPT. WHEN THEY ARE CALLED OUT TO GO SOMEPLACEITHEY GOJTHEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO THAT PERSON . RIGHT NOW OUR POLICE HAVE TO ANSWER TO ONE PERSON THAT IS THE CHIEF AND TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THE LOCAL PEOPLE , WE ARE GIVING THAT UP , I THINK THAT IS A MISTAKE. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT UNDER THIS SYSTEM _ WE WILL BE GETTING A REPORT FROM THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. OF ALL CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED FOR THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY.# THE PATROLS ON THE ROAD AND SO ON AND SO FORTHJWE WILL BE GETTING MONTHLY REPORTS FROM THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. UNDER THIS CONTRACT. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE REPORT IS BASED'ON THE EXACT SAME REPORT THAT WE RECEIVE FROM OUR OWN POLICE DEPT. TODAY. MR. DAVID KENNY-WILL THEY PATROL THE ROADS OF THE CLOSED BUSINESSf,5IN THIS TOWN THE WAY THE TOWN POLICE DEPT. DOES? WHEN I BOUGHT MY MOTEL IN 1977 I CAME UP FOR THE WINTER OF 1978 IN JANUARY MR. AND MRS . SEGAL OWNED THE PLACEII HAD NOT CLOSED ON IT BUT WAS UNDER CONTRACT. I PULLED UP IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY1WHICH WAS NOT M`f4FAT THE TIME , I PUT TWO FEET ON THE PROPERTY AND I WAS ARRESTED BY THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. THEY DID NOT KNOW WHO I WAS-I WAS FROM NEW YORK. THEY WERE THERE ON THE SPOT-THE PLACE WAS BOIRDED UP-WOULD THE SHERIFF'S DEPT . PROTECT MY PROPERTY THAT WAY? SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER I LIKE THAT IDEA. MR. DAVID KENNY-APPARENTLY IT WAS POSTEDjBEING PATROLED BY THE POLICE THEY SAW A STRANGER ON THE PROPERTY , IT IS A BIG BUSINESS. i SUPERVISOR WALTER- THEY ARRESTED YOU BEFORE THEY ASKED YOU WHO YOU ARE? MR. DAVID KENNY-THEY TOOK ME TO THE CAR , THEY DID NOT ARREST ME BUT THEY WERE THERE AND THEY CALLED AN INVESTIGATOR DOWN TO INVESTIGATE AND CALL THE REALZSTATE AND MAKE SURE I WAS THE PERSON . THEY WERE THERE THEY WERE RESPONSIVE . I WAS SURPRISED I DID NOT GET TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE PLACE BEFORE THEY WERE THERE . I FIGURED SOMEONE WAS WATCHING IT , I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT . I WAS PROUD, GEE THAT WAS GOOD , I LIKE THAT IDEA IN THIS TOWN--I WONDER IF WE ARE NOT GIVING SOME OF THAT UP? THANK YOU. MRS. MARIE SCARSCELLETA-I LIVE AT 6 PINEWOOD AVENUE-IF THIS DOES NOT WORK OUT IN A YEAR AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR OWN DEPARTMENT� HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST US TO REVERT BACK? SUPERVISOR WALTER- I BELIEVE IT WILL WORK OUT? MRS . MARIE SCARSCELLETA- IN CASE IT DOESN 'T . . . WE HAVE A POSITIVE ATTITUDE ON YOUR SIDE#WE DO NOT HAVE A POSITIVE ATTITUDE ON OUR SIDEiWE ARE WONDERING WHAT WILL IT COST TO TAKE US BACK TO OUR OWN DEPARTMENT? SUPERVISOR WALTER- I HAVE NOT FIGURED THE COST OF TAKING US BACK TO J THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE WE WILL BE GOING THAT WAY . MRS . MARIE SCARSCELLETA- NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY IN HERE TONIGHT ISN' T GOING TO SWAY YOU WE KNOWJBUT WE DO KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO WIND UP IN COURT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. --� SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU ARE WELCOME . RAY WOLFkI WOULD LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. I HAVE HAD MY GARAGE BROKE IN TWICE-WITHIN TEN MINUTES FROM THE TIME THE CALL WENT IN THEY' WERE TO' ] MY HOUSE. I HAVE HAD THE WOODSACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE WHERE PEOPLE WERE HUNTING WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE , I CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPT.ITHREE HOURS LATER THEY STILL WERE NOT THERE . FINALLY I CALLED THEM BACK ON THE PHONE AND TOLD THEM TO FORGET IT , WHO-EVER IT IS HAS GONE BACK HOME AND EATING THEIR SUPPER BY NOW. SO , I THINK THAT THE RESPONSE TIME IS QUICKER. THEY KNOW THE LOCAL PEOPLE THEY ARE DEALING WITH THEM, 23 HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW IF ITTFiE R l ENSBURY PATROL IN MY AREA OR THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. WHEN I SEE - �A �OMING AROUND I KNOW IT IS THE QUEENSBURY COPS , WHEN THE SHERIFF COMES BYjI DO NOT KNOW IF ITS SOMEBODY UP NORTH COMING DOWN TO VISIT SOMEBODY OR WHO THEY ARE. WE CAN KEEP TABS ON OUR OWN PATROLS AND OUR OWN COPS-ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE MARKS ON THESE CARS SAYING QUEENSBURY IS PAYING FOR THIS CAR FOR YOUR AREA? HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW IF ITS A WARRENSBURG CAR DRIVING THROUGH , HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW WHAT CAR WE ARE PAYING FOR AND WHAT WE GET FOR OUR MONEY? CAN YOU TELL ME THAT? SUPERVISOR WALTER- I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT THE CARS , THE PATROLS THAT WE ARE CONTRACTING FOR THE AMOUNT OF PATROLS AND THE NUMBER OF CARS AND THEY WILL BE IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AT ALL TIMES IN ADDITION TO THE SHERIFF 'S ~- PATROL WHO COVERS NOT ONLY QUEENSBURY BUT LUZERNE AND LAKE GEORGE AS PART OF ZONE ONE. THOSE ARE THE SHERIFF' S CARS WE HAVE NOW ARE PATROLING ZONE ONE WHICH QUEENSBURY IS A PART , BUT THEY ARE IN THE TOWN. THE CONTRACT WILL BE FOR PATROLS ONLY IN THE TOWNjNOT IN ZONE ONE� NOT IN LUZERNE AND NOT IN LAKE GEORGEJIN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY . MR. RAY WOLF-WHAT I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IS COME TO THE PEOPLE AND SAID IT IS GOING TO COST SO MUCH TO KEEP THESE MEN-ARE YOU PEOPLE_ WILLING TO PAY THE ADDITIONAL COSTS TO KEEP THESE MEN , WHICH YOU DID NOT DO. YOU GIVE YOURSELF A BIG RAISE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS KEEP GOING UP-THE TOWN WORKERS GET PEANUTS-YOU GIVE YOURSELF GOOD MONEY GIVE THEM FIVE PERCENT OR TAKE AWAY. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- NOW , MR. WOLFf�THis TOWN BOARD, THESE COUNCILMEN HAVE NOT TAKEN A RAISE FOR TWO YEARS , SO YOU ARE MISINFORMING THE PEOPLE . MR. RAY WOLFS- 11HAT I- AM GETTING AT IS , I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS TOWN-I OWN MORE THAN ONE HOUSE MYSELF-WE SHOULD HAVE A SAY IF WE WANT TO PAY MORE OR PAY LESS-THIS WAY WE HAD NO SAY , DO YOU GET WHAT I MEAN? SUPERVISOR WALTER- YES I GET WHAT YOU MEAN. WE HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT- MR. RAY WOLFS- I WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE FOR MY OWN POLICE FORCE i JUST LIKE THE CITY OF GLENS FALLS , THEY GOT THEIR ' S AND OTHER LITTLE TOWNSHAVE GOT THEIRS , WE ARE NOT GETTING SMALLER AND I THINK YOU ARE LOSTMj YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT SAVING A FEW DOLLARS- THIS TOWN RAN BEFORE THEY GOT THE SEVEN PERCENT SALES TAX RIGHT, NOW THAT IS PRETTY MUCH EATEN UP . WE ARE GOING TO BE TAXED AGAIN SO IT IS GETTING BIC;ER AND BIGGER AND IT IS COSTING MORE AND MORE TO RUN THIS TOWN ALL THE TIME . WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE A FEW MORE DOLLARS THAT YOU KNOW- SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERNNCE TO A LOT OF PEOP-E IN THIS TOWN MR. WOLF6iBELIEVE ME IT DOES. MR. RAY WOLF- MAYBE IT DOESjLET THEM CUT DOWN ON OTHER ENDS OR OTHER PARTS, NOT PROTECTION , WHEN I GET A CALL) AND BE TO MY HOUSE IN TEN MINUTES MEANS A LOT TO ME. I DO NOT WANT THREE HOURS . ARE YOU GOING TO GET A REPORT SAYING HOW LONG IT TAKES FROM THE TIME THE CALL GETS IN UNITL THE TIME THEY GET TO THE PEOPLE AND HAVE THE PEOPLE SIGN SAYING THEY CAME TO MY HOUSE AT A CERTAIN TIME , NOT FOUR HOURS FROM THE TIME I GOT THE CALL. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN JUDGE IT NOW BECAUSE YOU ARE- IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. HE HAS BEEN IN ZONE ONES HE COULD HAVE BEEN IN LUZERNE OR HE COULD HAVE BEEN IN LAKE GEORGE SO THE RESPONSE TIME IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT SHORTER IF THE CARS ARE ONLY PATROLING IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY . MR. RAY WOLFt_ IF SUPERVISOR WALTER- THEY ARE-IT IS A PART OF THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL BE IN THE TOWN. MR. RAY WOLF&- WHO IS GOING TO BE CHECKING ON THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE HERE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CHECK ON OUR OWN POLICE DEPT%J THE TOWN BOARD. MR. RAY WOLFt-- HOW CAN THEY? THEY HAVE TO SLEEP TO , . . . GET OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OUT THERE CHECKING TO SEE IF THERE ARE ACTUALLY PATROLS IN THE TOWN AND THEY HAVEN ' T GONE SOMEPLACE ELSE . RIGHT? 24 COUNCILMAN OLSON- RAY , ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHECKS WILL BE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE TOWN LIKE YOURSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE AND I AM SURE IF THEY DO NOT GET A RESPONSE AS FAST AS THEY THINK THEY WILL GET ITS WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I THINK WE WILL HEAR THE SAME COMMENTS WE HEAR NOW FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE SCANNERS. MR. RAY l'JOLFr-_ I THINK YOU WILL FIND PEOPLE IN THE TOWN THAT HAVE CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPT .) THEY HAVE CALLED THE QUEENSBURY POLICE- THEY GET TO KNOW WHO THEY GOT THE QUICKEST RESPONSE FOR THEIR NEEDjTHE QUEENSBURY COPS ARE THERE , THE SHERIFF' S GET THERE WHEN THEY CAN GET THERE. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- YOU ARE COMPARING TWO SYSTEMS THAT ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT, YOU ARE COMPARING THE PRESENT SET UP AND SAYING THE RESPONSE TIME UNDER THEVSETUP WILL BE THE SAME-YOU ARE NOT COMPARING THE SAME KIND OF SYSTEM. MR. RAY WOLFE-- LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE , ACROSS THE STREET A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS A SHOT THROUGH THE BATHROOM WINDOW AND OUT THE PICTURE WINDOW TOWARD MY HOUSE , MY HOUSE IJ; ACROSS THE STREET� SO WHEN WE CALLED THEY WERE SHOOTING DOWN THERE ALL AROUND OUR HOUSES,# WE EXPECTED SOMEONE DOWN THERE TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE-WE WAITED FOR THREE HOURS AND YOU STILL GOT LEAD FLYING YOUR WAY; WHAT WOULD YOU THINK? WITH QUEENSBURY , LIKE I SAY , TEN MINUTES IS A LOTS IF SOMEONE WAS BREAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE OR SOMETHING IS MISSING AND YOU CALL AND THEY ARE THERE IN TEN MINUTES . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- THIS IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE THOUGH , IT DEPENDS ON THE WORK SCHEDULE AT THE TIME AND WHAT THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM , YOU WERE ONE OF THE FORTUNATE ONES THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED*THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD TO WAIT BECAUSE THE PATROLMAN ARE BUSY ON ANOTHER CALL AND COULD NOT RESPOND THAT FAST. MR. RAY WOLF&_ BUT , I DO SEE THEM AROUND TOWN. . . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THE SAME THING. MR. RAY WOLFS- I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE ARE GETTING IT. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- IF YOU DON - TITHE CONTRACT IS BEING BROKEN MR. RAY WOLFe-. LIKE THE GENTLEMEN SAID AHEAD OF MEj ALL RIGHT THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN BROKE , YOU DIS3DLVE IT r- YOU ARE GOING BACK, YOUR EQ.IPMENT IS GONE IT IS GOING TO COST A SMALL FORTUNE TO SET BACK UP AGAIIN. COUNCILMAN OLSON- NO , OUR EQIPMENT WILL NOT BE ALL'GONE , WE HAVE A RADIO SYSTEM OVER HERE WHICH WE WILL RETAIN-THE FREQUENCY THAT THE , THE AERIAL AND STUFF. . MR. RAY WOLFS-THE GUNS ARE GONEjTHE HOLSTERS. THE UNIFORMS WOULD BE NO GOOD COUNCILMAN OLSON- IF YOU DISSOLVE THE CONTRACT YOU BRING THE EQUIPMENT BACK TO THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY THEN MR. RAY WOLFE-THE MEN YOU GOT NOW DECIDE TO STAY AT THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. YOU HAVE GOT TO START FRESH WITH ALL NEW TRAINING MEN ALL OVER AGAIN RIGHT? SUPERVISOR WALTER- IF WE DO NOT HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. I KNOW THAT THEY WILL NOT KEEP ON NINE MEN, SO THAT THEY WOULD I PROBABLY COME BACK. _MR. RAY WOLF&- I PERSONAELY THINK THAT YOU ARE MAKTN� A MISTAKE . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I GATHERED THAT. MR. RAY WOLFt-. YOU STARTED SMALL , YOU GOT BIGGER , I THINKIIF YOU MAKE THESE DECISIONS YOU SHOULD GO TO THE PEOPLE MORE, YOU ARE BETTER OFF. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE CAN ' T GO TO THE PEOPLE , MR. RAY WOLF&- YOU HAVE TOO , WE ARE HERE TALKING FOR NOTHING , RIGHT? SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU HAVE ELECTED RESPRESENTATIVES TO MAKE ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS ITHERE ARE SOME IT[ 1_S THAT MUST GO TO THE VOTERS TO BE VOTED ON 25 THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS AND ISSUES WHERE YOU MAY GOfTHEY ARE CALLED PERMISSIVE REFERENDUMS AND THERE ARE SOME KINDS OF ISSUES THAT YOU DO NOT TAKE TO THE PUBLIC. MR. RAY WOLFS- SUPPOSE YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE HERE THE WAY IT tLOr:'KS TONIGHT YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY FOUR IN FAVOR OF THIS AND ONE AGAINST YOU COULD HAVE COME UP AND SAID TO THE PEOPLE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THIS WE ARE APPROXIMATELY FOUR TO ONE IN FAVOR OF THISjWHAT 'S THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE? THEN COME UP WITH THE FINAL DETERMINATION NOT . . . COUNCILMAN EISENHART- YOU CAN 'T IT IS ILLEGAL MR. RAY WOLF- OF COURSE IT IS LEGAL WHEN YOU . TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET FOR TAXES. . . { COUNCILMAN EISENHART- UNDER THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK IT IS ILLEGAL FOR US TO HAVE A REFERENDUM ON THISjIT IS FORBIDDEN BY LAW. MR. RAY WOLFE-- WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ABOLISH THE POLICE DEPT . AND FOUR MONTHS LATER THE PEOPLE COME UP AND WANT THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR? CAN THIS BE PUT BACK IN WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY IN A VOTE? SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR REFERENDUM MR. RAY WOLF- IN OTHERWORDSITHE TOWN BOARD HAS THE SAY FOR THE WHOLE THING. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THAT IS RIGHT. COUNCILMAN MORRELL- YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THREE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD MR. RAY WOLFE. SO THE ONLY WAY YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT IS ELECTION TIME, OK WE WILL REMEMBER AT •ELECTION TIME-WE DID IT BEFORE AND WE CAN DO IT AGAIN. SUPERVISOR WALTER- IS THERE ANYONE WISf-'ZNG TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING? MR. FRANK BURNIZE-GLEN LAKE-I GREW UP AROUND HERE FOR TWENTYTWO YEARS AND I WOULD LIKE TO REITW TE'_ WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAID ABOUT THE SHERIFF ' S DEPT. NOT EVER REALLY GETTING THERE FOR HOURS AND HOURS-I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID , IT IS COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES HERE/WELL THAT IS FINE. I SEE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE PAPER ALL THE TIME ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THE BIG CHANGE OVER THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. GOING,, YOU KNOW TAKING OVER QUEENSBURYjBUT WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS WHY IS THIS NOT A MATTER FOR REFERENDUM OR WHAT EVER , WHERE IS IT WRITTEN , I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ALL THE POLITICS OF THIS OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE DO . WHY DIDN 'T THE PEOPLE EVER GET A CHANCE TO VOTEJWHY IS IT JUST A OPEN TYPE HEARING LIKE THIS WHY? SUPERVISOR WALTER- BECAUSE TOWNS IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK ARE GOVERNED BY CERTAIN LAWS , GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW AND IT IS THAT LAW THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES TO MAKE DECISIONS . SOME DECISIONS MUST GO TO THE VOTERS , THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE A REFERENDUM. THERE ARE SOME DECISIONS THAT THE VOTERS CAN HAVE A SAY IN IT , ONE EXAMPLE IS A WATER DISTRICT. WE CAN CREATE A WATER DISTRICT AND IF THE PEOPLE COME UP WITH ENOUGH SIGNATURES WE WILL HAVE A REFERENDUM. MR. BURNIZE - THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A BIG ENOUGH DECISION FOR ME. MRS. WALTER - YOU WILL HAVE TO TELL THAT TO THE STATE OF NEW YORK . MR. BURNIZE - THERE IS SO MUCH PUBLIC OPINION ON THIS FROM WHAT I READ IN THE PAPERS . SOMETHING LIKE THIS AFFECTS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US A LOT. THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WATER. THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. MRS. MONAHAN - IN THE BACK OF US HERE YOU WILL SEE MANY VOLUMNS OF BLUE BOUND BOOKS . THOSE ARE THE LAWS UNDER WHICH THIS TOWN BOARD HAS TO OPERATE . THIS IS NOT A MATTER THAT WE ARBRITARILY DECIDE HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING , THESE ARE LAWS AND RULES AND REGULATIONS SET DOWN BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK ON THE LEGISLATURE SYSTEM. WE CAN NOT OVERTURN THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS . MRS. WALTER - YOU MAY WANT THE REFERENDUM AND THE GUY DOWN THE BLOCK MAY NOT WANT THE REFERENDUM, HE MAY TAKE US TO COURT FOR GOING TO REFERENDUM. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN WHO HAVE BEEN PATTING US ON THE BACK SAYING THAT IT IS PAST DUE , YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS LONG AGO . 26 MRS. MONAHAN - THE STATE OF NEW YORK SAYS UNDER THE RULES THAT THIS TOWN BOARD HAS TO OPERATE OR ANY TOWN GOVERNMENT , THAT THIS IS AN ILLEGAL PROCEDURE . THEY ARE NOT STATE GUIDELINES , IT IS THE LAW. MR. BURNIZE - HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT CHANGING THAT LAW? MRS. WALTER - YOU CALL ROBERT D' ANDREA AND RON STAFFORD. FRANK AMATANGELO -, -MRS. MONAHAN , YOU KNOCKED MY SOCKSID FF WITH A $2 , 000 , 000 FIGURE IN 1991 FOR A POLICE BUDGET COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY i FRANK AMANTANGELO- WHAT ARE THE SALARIES OF THE BOARD GOING TO BE IN 1991 RELATIVE TO THAT , I DO NOT THINK THAT REALLY MEANS ANYTHING YOU TAKE AN INTANG,111EIMY SECURITY , MY FAMILIES SECURITY THESE PEOPLE SECURITY AND YOU PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE ON IT AND I AM WILLING TO PAY IT I HAVE INSURANCE ON (Mv HOME , I HAVE INSURANCE ON MY CAR I THINK YOU ALL DOjIF WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE CONTRACT BUSINESS,, WHY DON ' T WE CONTRACT OTHER SERVICES) FOR INSTANCE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR , LETS CONTRACT THE GLENS FALLS BUILDING INSPECTOR OUT., THEY HAVE A NICE SET OF RULES. ONCE YOU HAVE GOT A CONTRACT YOU GOT A PIECE OF PAPER AND THAT IS MADE TO BE BROKEN-CONTRACTS MEAN NOTHING ANY MORE . IS THERE A NO STRIKE CONTRACT, IS THIS A NO STRIKE CONTRACT , YOU GUARANTEED ME THAT THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE AROUND MY HOUSE-DOES IT SAY NO STRIKE IN THERE? SUPERVISOR WALTER- N0 , IT DOES NOT SAY NO STRIKE IN THE CONTRACT. FRANK AMANTANGELO- WHAT IS MY GUARANTEE , MAYBE WE DON ' T HAVE A NO STRIKE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOW , BUT I DO NOT THINK THEY HAVE STRUCK, I HAVE ONLY BEEN IN THE AREA A COUPLE OF YEARS. I GREW UP IN SOME LARGE CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE STRIKES AND THE PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE GOING TO DO . . . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- ANY KIND OF STRIKE UNDER THE TAYLOR LAW IS ILLEGAL ANYWAY. FRANK AMANTANGELO- HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GUARANTEE ME THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE THERE . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I CANNOT GUARANTEE YOU, WHAT IS THE OLD SAYING. . . DEATH AND TAXES , WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO GIVE YOU MORE EFFICIENT POLICE SERVICE AT LESS TAXES. FRANK AMANTANGELO- YOU HAVE TAKEN AN INTANGABLE-MY FEELING OF SECURITY- MR. MORRELL HAS POINTED OUT YOU HAVE TAKEN THIS INTANGABLE OF HIS SECURITY MY FEELING OF SECURITY , HIS FEELING OF SECURITY AND ALL THESE PEOPLE AND YOU PUT A PRICE TAG ON ITiI AM WILLING TO PAY IT , I THINK ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY IT AND IT IS TOO BAD IT HAS GOT TO BE THIS WAY . I MOVED TO THIS AREA , I TOOK A JOB IN THIS AREA BECAUSE I LIKED ITjI AM AWAY FROM THE CITIES, I AM AWAY FROM THE CRIME I DO NOT PICK UP THE PAPER AND READ THAT THIS GUY IS MURDERED OR THAT GUY IS _MURDERED I AM SICK OF THAT. NOW YOU HAVE REMOVED YOURSELF FROM CONTROLING YOUR ENVIRONMENT YOU HAVE CONTRACTED WITH SOMEONE ELSE , BLUE FLU STRIKES DOESN 'T KNOW ANY TIME. THANK YOU. MR . KENNY- SINCE WE HAVE LOST OUR POLICE WHAT ARE WE SAVING ON A THOUSAND DOLLAR ASSESSED EVALUATION? HAVE YOU COME UP WITH A FIGURE? SUPERVISOR WALTER-A DOLLAR FORTY OR SOMETHING. THE POLICE BUDGET IS 33%-I AM JUST ELUDING TO WHAT ARE THE SALARIES-THE SALARIES OF ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIALS-THE RAISES IN THE BUDGET COMES TO ABOUT THREE TENTHS OF ONE PERCENT) THE POLICE BUDGET IS 31% OF THE AMOUNT TO BE RAISED BY TAXES-SO YOU SEE THOSE ARE NOT COMPARABLE THINGS-SO WHAT WE ARE SAVING THE THIRTY ONE PERCENT OF THE BUDGET THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE CONTRACTING FOR LESS THAN HALFISO WE ARE PROBABLY SAVING AT LEAST 15-17%. MR. KENNY- OF WHICH? . . . I AS A TAXPAYERILETS SAY I OWN A HOME ASSESSED FOR 40 , 000 AT A $1 . 00 SOMETHING A THOUSAND YOU ARE SAYING I AM SAVING $40. 00 PER YEAR BY GETTING RID OF THE POLICE DEPT . SUPERVISOR WALTER- PROBABLY - IT IS OVER A DOLLAR $1 . 24 27 MR. KENNY-WHAT IS THE AVERAGE HOUSE IN QUEENSBURY ASSESSED AT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? SUPERVISOR WALTER-APPROXIMATELY 21 OR 22 MR. KENNY- TWENTY ONE OR TWENTY TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS , SO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE POLICE DEPT. AND SAVING THE AVERAGE PERSON ¢._TWENTY�'FI VE DOLLARS A YEAR. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THIS YEAR MR. KENNY- NEXT YEARiYO9 DON ' T HAVE A CONTRACT FOR NEXT-.YEAR, IN TEN YEARS SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE HAVE A CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR MR. KENNY- BUT NOT MONEY WISE SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE HAVE A CONTRACT MONEY WISE , FOR 83 FOR 84 FOR 85 MR. KENNY- HOW MUCH IS IT GOING UP , DID THEY TELL YOU? SUPERVISOR WALTER-NO MORE THAN 7% ON A BASE OF $250 , 000 MR. KENNY- LETS SAY FOR INSTANCE , YOU ARE SAYING NOW , LETS SAY FOR NEXT YEAR, FOR 84, nUEENSBURY DOUBLES IN SIZE AND WE NEED TWENTY MORE PATROLMEN- ARE THEY STILL GOING TO GIVE YOU THE SAME , WILL THEY PUT MORE PATROLMEN ON? SUPERVISOR WALTER- NO , BECAUSE WE WILL RENEGOTIATE A CONTRACT-BUT WE CAN STILL GET THE COVERAGE WITH LESS PEOPLE THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR NOW WITH NO ADMINISTRATION) NO DISPATCHING , WE HAD THIS PROBLEM BACK IN 1981 WHEN WE WENT OVER TO_-THE DISPATCHING WITH THE COUNTY . I WILL TELL YOU OUR POLICE CHIEF WAS VERY VOCAL TO THESE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS AND TOLD US THE DEPARTMENT WOULD FALL APART IF WE WENT TO DISPATCHING AT TFE COUNTY. WE HAVEN ' T REALLY HAD TOO MANY PROBLEMS•-IN FACT WE HAVE LESTEWD TO THE TAPES/ THE BOARD MEMBERSjOF THE CALLS COMING IN AT NIGHT AND FOUND THAT THE DISPATCHING SERVICE SYSTEM WAS WORKING VERY WELL. I MR. KENNY-MY POINT WAS , YOU TALK ABOUT THE AVERAGE PERSON SAVING TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS A YEAR AT THIS POINT IN TIME , THE FUTURE WE CANNOT PRp_,DICT THIS SYSTEM COULD WORK OUT GREAT I AM JUST HESITANT BEING IN CITIES AND BEING IN SMALL COMMUNITY IN LONG ISLAND THAT HAD ITS OWN TOWN POLICE DEPT. I LIVED IN A CITY THAT HAD CITY POLICE AND I LIVED IN NASSAU CO. THAT HAD NASSAU CO. POLICE YOU NEVER GOT THE SAME PROTECTION . MAYBE THEY WERE TOO BIG, I DO NOT KNOW , W4ERE DO YOU COME ABOUT SAYING WE WILL GET THIS PROTECTION I KNOW IN A SMALL TOWN I HAVE GOTTEN BETTER PROTECTION, NOT SO MUCH BETTER PROTECTIONjYOU GOT BETTER SERVICE. YOU GOT A LOT MORE FOR YOUR MONEY. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. THE GROWTH IN THE TOWN OF QUEENS- BURY WAS BACK IN THE 1960 'S THE POLICE DEPT. NEVER GREW UNTIL 1977 WE WERE DEALING WITH TWO OR THREE PATROLMEN-IT HAS JUST BEEN IN THE LAST ABOUT FIVE YEARS THAT WE HAVE INCREASED TO THE SIZE THAT WE HAVE. THE CHIEF ASKED FOR SIX MORE PEOPLE IN HIS BUDGET THIS YEAR. WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FUGURES THAT WE GAVE YOU BECAUSE. . . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- THAT WAS WITH THE DEPARTMENT AS IS . MR. KENNY- SOMEONE GAVE ME THIS BUDGET HERE AND IT DOES NOT SHOW IT-THAT MUCH IT SHOWS. . A 1 . 00 PER THOUSAND, THEY ANTICIPATE A BUDGET . THE BUDGET REQUEST !WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PASSED IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE LESS, THE i FIGURES THEY CAME UP WITH. IRREGARDLESSJYOU ARE TALKING TWENTY FIVE , THIRTj FORTY , MY TAXES ARE QUITE A BIT I PAY TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEARS IN TAXES BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND PROPERTY TAXES SO I MAY SAVE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS BY GETTING RID, MAYBE TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS BY GETTING RID OF THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. I CONSIDER IT AN INVESTMENT , I DO NOT CONSIDER IT A COST. IT IS AN INVESTMENT IN MY LIFE AND MY CHILDRENS LIVES-THEY ARE GOING TO SCHOOL THEY ARE BEING RAISED IN THIS COMMUNITY TODAY. I JUST THINK THE BIG THING WE ARE CONCERNED WITH IS SAVING THE AVERAGE PERSON TWENTYFIVE DOLLARS , I BELIEVE YOU COULD SAVE THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER TWENTYFIVE DOLLARS IF YOU REALLY SAT DOWN AND CUT OUT SOME OF THE FRIV01PUS WASTE. - I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS , THERE IS PLENTY OF WASTE IN ALL POLITICS. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- WE WOULD BE GLAD TO HAVE YOU COME TO ANY BUDGET WORKSHOP 2� I AM VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS)WHEN YOU THINK WASTE IS HERE WE WOULD BE GLAD TO HAVE IT POINTED OUT. MR. KENNY- THE BIGGEST WASTE COMES WHEN YOU GO TO BIGGER THINGS , THE BIGGER THE GOVERNMENT THE BIGGER THE WASTE , THE BIGGER THE POLICE DEPT. THE BIGGER THE WASTE AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. NOW YOU ARE GOING TO A COUNTY WIDE SYSTEM WHICH IS GOING TO MAKE MORE WASTE , YOU ARE SAYING IT IS NOj BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO NEED ALL THESE LITTLE THINGSjI DISAGREE. YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME HAPPENING1WHY HAVE THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURYIWHY DON ' T WE INCORPORATE AND GO WITH WARREN COUNTY AND GIVE UP THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. BECAUSE THE LOCAL PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE CONTROL AND THERE WOULD BE MORE WASTE. THE COUNTY WOULD WASTE MORE THAN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY , THE TOWN LOOKS TO SAVE US BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO US . THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY HAS TO ANSWER TO THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY RESIDENTS. THE QUEENSBURY POLICEJWHEN THEY WERE IN THE TOWN, HAD TO THE TOWN OF QUEENS- BURY PEOPLE. WHEN YOU GO TO THE COUNTY THEY DO NOT , THAT HAVE TO ANSWER TO A BROADER AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND THEY GET AWAY WITH MORE . MY POINT IS FOR TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS I THINK IT IS A GREAT MISTAKE FOR THE J AVERAGE PERSON IN TOWN. I DO NOT THINK THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON IN THE TOWN CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS , AND I AM NOT SO SURE I HEARD THAT STATISTIC BEFORE . YOU ARE TALKING 15% THAT GETS OUT 15-20% PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY ARE SAVING A LOT OF MONEY BUT I WONDER IF THE AVERAGE PERSON IN THIS COMMUNITY KNOW THEY ARE SAVING TWENTYFIVE DOLLARS IN A YEAR. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THAT'S NO , BECAUSE MR. KENNY-THAT HAS NOT BEEN TOLD TO EVERYBODY. SUPERVISOR WALTER- N0 , MR. KENNY- I WONDER WHY? SUPERVISOR WALTER- BECAUSE IT IS PROBABLY MORE THAN TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS , YOU ARE USING THAT SHEET THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOUiTHE PEOPLE THAT PRESENTED THAT TO USJI TOLD THEM WAS BASED ON THE WRONG FIGURES. MR. KENNY- WHEN WE SAID $1 . 20 YOU SAID $1 . 20 . A DOLLAR TWENTY TIMES TWENTY- ONE THOUSAND I SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE DISCUSSED THIS ALL AT THE BUDGET HEARING MR. KENNY A DOLLAR TWENTY TIMES TWENTY ONE THOUSAND COMES TO LESS THAN TWENTYFIVE DOLLARS. . . THAT IS MATHjI THINK THAT THE PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE PAPERS AND PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY SAVING, IT IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY ON A PERCENTAGE , YOU CAN GIVE ME NUMBERS BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE IN PERCENTAGES BECAUSE THEY CAN TWIST ANY NUMBER THEY WANT. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL SAVINGS? WHAT IS THE ACTUAL AMOUNT TO BE SAVED, THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU [-AVE ZEROED YOUR SELF IN BECAUSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SAVINGS BUT THIS BOARD DOES NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE ECONOMY OF IT BUT LOOKED AT THE EFFICIENCY OF IT SO WE HAVE TWO FOLD THINGS , YOU ARE HARPING NOW , ON ONLY THE SAVING OF MONEY AND THAT IS NOT TRUE. WE FELT THAT , THE BOARD FELTjIT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT ALSO. THAT IS THE FEELINGS OF THE BOARD, THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD. COUNCILMAN OLSON- ON MANY OCCASIONS YOUR PATROLMEN WHO WERE SCHEDULED TO DO ROAD PATROLS WERE INVHE OFFICE OVER THERE DISPATCHING DURING THE DAY T- THE DISPATCHER WAS SICK . SUPERVISOR WALTER- SO , IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU THE PROTECTION THAT YOU WANT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE DEALING WIIHTHE BUDGET- AS IT WAS .; YOU WOULD; HAVE TO INCREASE WHAT YOU HAD OVER THERE IN ORDER TO HAVE THOSE PATROLS ON THE ROAD. SO , THE BUDGET WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ARE --' TALKING ABOUT KEEPING THE STATUS QUO. MR. KENNY- I HAVE SEEN BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY I HAVE SEEN COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT WORKED, IN NASSAU CO . THERE WAS A NASSAU CO. POLICE DEPT. I HAVE SEEN THE CITY POLICE DEPT. I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR A WHILE I HAVE COME FROM A SMALL TOWN EAST OF LONG ISLANDl EAST HAMPTON THERE IS THE TOWN OF EAST HAMPTON POLICE-THEY WOULD NEVER GIVE UP THEIR POLICE DEPT. . THEY ARE NOT WORRIED, YOU ARE SAYING , I CAN 'T, THAT IS THE FUTURE BUT ALL I CAN SAY THROUGH PAST HISTORY , THE PAST HISTORY OF THINGSjLARGE THINGS DO NOT WORK. THE BIGGER THEY GET THE MORE TROUBLE THEY HAVE WITH THEM- THE MORE POWER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THEREITHE BIGGER THE UNION GETS THE STRONGER THEY GET . YOU SEEM TO THINK IT WILL WORKJI DISAGREE NOT BECAUSE 29 I KNOW BETTER BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN. I LIVE BY EXPERIENCE THE WORLD REPEATS ITSELFjIT IS A KNOWN FACT. YOU SEE ONE THING HAPPEN ONE PLACE GENERALLY IT WILL REPEAT ITSELF. I HAVE YET TO SEE WHERE A SMALL POLICE DEPT. CAN BE BENEFITED BY BECOMING A LARGER POLICE DEPT.., BY INCORPORATING WITH OTHER PEOPLE. THE REASON THEY GENERALLY DO IS FOR ECONOMICS AND GENERALLY IN TIMEjSOONER OR LATERiTHEY ARE SORRY. IF YOU WERE DOWN IN NASSAU CO. WHEN THERE WERE SMALL TOWNSHIP POLICE AND YOU GO AND QUESTIONED THEM THEY WOULD ALL AGREE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- NO THAT IS NOT TRUE , NO BECAUSE I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE FROM NASSAU CO. AND THEY TELL ME COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- AND I HAVE TOO MR. KENNY- MY UNCLE IS A LIEUTANANT ON THE NASSAU CO. POLICE DEPT . SUPERVISOR WALTER- WHAT I AM SAYING ISITHAT IS YOUR OPINION AND I UNDERSTAND, THAT IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING-BUT THAT IS YOUROPINION BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON ' T SHARE THAT OPINION . MR. KENNY-THAT IS WHY A FEW SMALL TOWNS IN LONG ISLAND ARE FIGHTING TO KEEP THEIR SMALL TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENTS , IN NASSAUjIF THAT IS SUCH A GREAT SYSTEM WHY AREN ' T THEY ALL GOING INTO IT. SUPERVISOR WALTER- BECAUSE OF POLITICS I AM SURE. MR. GEORGE PENSEL-FARM TO MARKET ROAD-I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS , NO BASIC OPINION BUT QUESTION ONE IS A TOWN POLI CE DEPT .- DOES ANYONE REALLY KNOW ON THE BOARD WHAT EFFECT THE TOWN POLICE DEPT. HAS AS A DETERFNrr ,- TO CRIMES TO BEGIN WITH WE ARE TALKING , PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT RESPONSE TIME AND THEIR CONCERN THERE , AS A DETERENT-.- THAT ANOTHER POLICE FORCE DOES EXIST . TWO-THIS RENEWAL LEASE SUPERVISOR WALTER- THAT WOULD BE SUPPOSITION RIGHT? AS FAR AS IT WOULD BE A DETEREN`f'i . . . MR. GEORGE PENSEL- AS FAR AS A DETERFNT': ESPECIALLY PETTY CRIMES*THEFT] WHERE POSSIBLY ONE MIGHT THINK TWICE TO COMMIT A CRIME THAT IN THE TOWN �. OF QUEENSBURY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A POLICE DEPT. POSSIBLIY EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE MORE EFFICIENT THEN THE FACT THAT THERE IS A POLICE DEPT.— AND SECOND CONCERN IS THE RENEWABLE LEASEIAS A BUSINESS MAN I KNOW WHAT A RENEWABLE LEASE-SOME PROBLEMS OF THAT , WHO HAS THE DECISION TO RENEW THE LEASEr-IS IT UP TO WARREN COUNTY OR DOES THE TOWN OF nUEENSBURY HAVE THE OPTION NOT TO RENEW THE LEASE OR IS IT BOTH. THEREFORE A SPECIFIC AMOUNT AFTERTHE SECOND YEAR I AM AFRAID MAY NOT HOLD UP IF : IT IS NOT RENEWABLE, IF IT IS A RENEWABLE LEASE WARREN CO . CAN SAY IT IS COSTING US TOO MUCH, WE DO NOT WANT TO RENEW IT FOR THE SECOND YEAR UNLESS YOU PAYAHIGHER INCREASE THAN WHAT IS SPELLED OUT IN THE RENEWABLE LEASE. SO THAT CONCERNS MEjALTHOUGH I AM NOT NECESSARILY FOR OR AGAINST THIS. SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT CONCERNED t1S TO BECAUSE' VE DID HAVE OUR ATTORNEY WORK ON THAT , IT IS CALLED THE ADJUSTMENT PART OF THE CONTRACT AND -EVERBODY IS TALKING ABOUT INCREASES,�SUpPnSE IT DECREASESJYOU DO NOT REALLY WANT TO PUT A FIRM FIGURE IN THERE AND SO THAT IS WHY WE USE A PERCENTAGE AND THAT WAS QUITE AGREEABLE TO THE COUNTY NEGOTIATORS . MR. GEORGE PENSEL- THE ARE USING A PERCENTAGEjBUT AFTER 1983 IS OVER, THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF'S DEPT. DECIDES THEIP BUDGET IS GOING OVER WHAT THEY EXPECTED AND WHAT WE EXPECTED AND THEY DECIDE THEY CANNOT GO WITH A 7% INCREASE THEY HAVE TO HAVE 15% THEN THEY HAVE PNiOUT WITH USA THEY DO NOT-:HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT, AND THEY CAN SAY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND YOUR OWN POLICE DEPT. WE ARE GAMBLING ON THAT FACT] SO WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST US , THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE . I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD BRING THAT UP TO YOU. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT] WE ARE A PART OF WARREN COUNTY IT IS NOT SOME OUTSIDE AGENCY AND WE DO HAVE FIVE SUPERVISORS FROM THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY THAT SIT ON THAT BOARDjWHO I AM SURE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. MR. GEORGE PENSEL- THAT IS A GOOD ANSWER. THANK YOU. MRS . ROBERT CUBBINS-7HELEN DR. - I REALLY WAS NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING TONIGHT BUT I THINK I AM GOING TO REITERATE TO WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, YOU SAID AND I FIRST OF ALL WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND LABOR THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS I MAY NOT AGREE 30 WITH YOUR DECISION BUT I AM SURE YOU WORKED VERY VERY HARD AND MADE THE BEST DECISION YOU CAN , YOU SAID YOU MEASURED EFFICIENCY AS WELL AS TAX DOLLARS—NUMBER ONEII WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY MORE TAXES TO KEEP THE POLICE DEPT. THE WAY IT IS. I JUST THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE MEASURE EFFICIFN'CY IN DIFFERENT VENUS;EFFICIENCY AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED IN THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT . IS MEASURED WHEN I AM STOPPED ON MAYBE SOME OF OUR UNPLOWED ROADS IN THE WINTER TIME BY A WARREN CO. POLICMAN^ WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THE NODDLE OF THE ROAD LADY AND THEN WHEN THE CAR GETS STUCK THE QUEENSBURY POLICEMAN COMES BY AND SAYS I AM AWFUL SORRY CAN I GIVE YOU A LIFT HOME BECAUSE I AM ON THE WAY . THAT] I THINK IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE MISSING. I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU DO GO TO WARREN COUNTY THAT THOSE SERVICES WILL BE FORTHCOMING. I HOPE YOU LOOK TO THAT . SUPERVISOR WALTER— THANK YOU. MR. WIDEMAN— ONE OF YOUR MAJOR CONCERNS A FEW MINUTES AGO WAS THAT YOU J WERE INDICATING THAT EFFICIENCY"WAS A MAJOR FACTOR INYOUR DETERMINATION OF MOVING OUR POLICE DEPT . TO WARREN COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW DO WE MEASURE EFFICIENCY? HOW DO WE� THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN OF �J QUEENSBURYODECIDEIOR HOW DO YOU AS OUR REBRESENTATIVES DECIDE; WHETHER WE ARE GETTING EFFICIENT SERVICE OR WHETHER WE ARE NOT . IF WE THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY WHO DO NOT FEEL WE ARE GETTING AN EFFICIENT AND THE QUALITY OF SERVICE THAT WE FEEL WE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO FOR THE TAXES WE PAY FOR WHAT EVER WE ARE ENTITLED TO AS CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY . WHAT AVENUES DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS . SUPERVISOR WALTER— ELECTION DAY. MR. WIDEMAN— ELECTION DAY , BIG DEAL SOj A MONTH FROM NOW WE DECIDE THAT] OR WE FEEL THATjGEEITHIS JUST IS NOT WORKINGjWE HAVE TO SUFFER FOR THE NEXT ELEVEN MONTHS; WE ELECT A NEW TOWN BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND EVERTHING ALL OVER AGAIN , I DO NOT THINK THAT IS FAIR TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY. SUPERVISOR (IALTER—I WOULD NOT JUST BE RELAGATED TO JUST THE POLICE FORCE IT WOULD BE ANY OF THE DECISIONS . MR. WIDEMAN— I AGREE, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING ISJWHAT IF YOU AFTER , IN FEBRUARYS SAY GEE, I HARDLY EVER SEE A PATROLMAN ON OUR STREET WE ARE NOT GETTING THE PROTECTION THAT , THAT CONTRACT SAYS WE ARE ENTITLED T0, WHAT DO WE DO , DO YOU HAVE POWER TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY -HEY , WE DO NOT HAVE THE COVERAGE HERE. SUPERVISOR WALTER— I AM A PART OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND I AM PART OF THIS GOVERNMENT = AND ALSO SIT THERE. MR. WIDEMAN— HOW MUCH WEIGHT DO YOU CARRY AS ONE MEMBER OF THAT BODY IN COMPARISON TO THE ENTIRE BODY . CAN YOU INFLUENCE A DECISION OF THAT TOWN BOARD , MAYBE THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE OTHER INTERESTS IN THAT , ON THAT TOWN BOARD THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR COUNCILMAN EISENHART— COUNTY BOARD MR. WIDEMAN— ON THE COUNTYIBMARD, THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOP, THEIR OWN AREAS , THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE GETTING THE BEST PROTECTION AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE GETTING THEIR SERVICE , THEY ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR QUEENSBURY , THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES . THEY ARE GOING TO BE , YOU GO IN AND SAY YOU WANT MORE PROTECTION THEY ARE GOING TO BE SAYING NO , NO , YOU ALREADY HAVE YOUR SHARE OF THE PROTECTION WE DO NOT FEEL THAT IT IS RIGHT. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DOS =OR CAN A DECISION BE REVERSED AT A LATER DATE—DO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE COUNTY CONTRACT IS UP AND THEN GO BACK TO OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT? a SUPERVISOR WALTER— NO) WE CAN TERMINATE THE CONTRACT WHEN WE FEEL WE --� NEED TO TERMINATE IT. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN— I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT THE OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY PROTECTION DOES NOT DEPEND UPON WHETHER OR NOT QUEENSBURY DOES OR DOES NOT HAVE THE PROTECTION -WE ARE CONTRACTING—WE ARE NOT A PART OF THE SHERIFF`S DEPT. WE ARE CONTRACTING FOR EXTRA AND SPECIAL PROTECTION FOR THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY» IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE PROTECTION THE OTHER TOWNS WITHIN THE COUNTY ARE GETTING. THIS IS ASERVICE WE ARE CONTRACTING FOR AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY THINKS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR PATROLMEN; WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF HAVING A DEPARTMENT THAT DUPLICATES IN ADMINISTRATIVE , TELETYPE , THESE TYPE OF THINGS1IT IS A DOUBLE DUPLICATION . ONE IN FACT 31 OF WHICH WE HAVE BEEN CRITIZIIMIFOR_ IN THIS REPORT . MR. WIDEMAN- I AM NOT DISAGREEING THAT PERHAPS THE PEOPLE WHO WE ARE CONTRACTING TO HAVE ON OUR STREETS A9*SPECIAL SERVICES CONTRACT ARE A CONCERN , I AM QUESTIONING THE FACT WHETHER WE WILL GET THE PROTECTION THAT WE ARE BEING PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY NOW , WE HAVE SUPPOSE`DLY TWO PATROLS ON OUR STREETS RIGHT NOW FROM THE COUNTY IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN-WHO IS- TO SAY THAT THE SUPERVISOR WALTER- NO ONE . MR. WIDEMAN- WHO IS TO SAY THAT THE COUNTY,.WE HAVE NO CONTROL- OVER THAT; IF THEY DISCONTINUE THAT PORTION OF OUR SERVICES THAT WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR IN OUR COUNTY TAXES. COUNCILMAN OLSON- THAT IS PART OF THE CONTRACT, TWO PATROLS.181<00 IN THE MORNING UNTIL MIDNIGHT) IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS ALREADY PROVIDED•-- I THINK I CAN ANSWER PART OF YOUR QUESTION , THE 'FIRST PART OF YOU( QUESTION WAS WHAT WOULD THIS TOWN BOARD DO, I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE ASKING , WHAT WOULD WE DO IF GOING INTO MARCH OR APRIL EARLY SPRING OR SUMMER THAT WE DO NOT FEEL WE ARE GETTING THE PROTECTIONjTHAT WE ARE SUOPOSED , WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION? MR. WIDEMAN- YES COUNCILMAN OLSON-I AM SURE THAT YOU PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE THIS EVENING ARE GOING TO MAKE IT KNOWN TO US , THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE IT KNOWN TO THEIR COUNTY SUPERVISORS IN QUEENSBURY , AT THAT POINT WHEN WE GET COMPLAINTS FROM THE PEOPLE THEN WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE SHERIFF COMMITTEE-WE WILL BE GETTING REGULAR REPORTS FROM THE SHERIFF AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT EVERY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD WILL BE IN AND OUT OF THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. AT UNDISCLOSED TIMES TO BE MONITORING THE OPERATION . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I CAN ONLY TELL YOU THAT WHEN I FIRST APPROACHED THE SHERIFF BACK IN THE SUMMER TIME ABOUT FIGURES THAT HE COULD PROVIDE ME I OR IF HE COULD SIT DOWN AND THINK ABOUT IF WE ABOLISHED OUR POLICE DEPT. WHAT HE NEECEITO GIVE US THE SERVICE BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO CUT THE SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS. SINCE THAT TIME IN DEALING WITH MR. CARBOY , MR. TRIPP , MR. LAWSON WITH THE SHERIFF'S COMMITTEE THAT IS MADE UP OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM AROUND THE COUNTY—THEY HAVE BEEN WITH OUT A DOUBT THE MOST COOPERATIVE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT I COULD WANT TO SIT DOWN AT A TABLE WITH. VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE ALL REPRESENTATIVES NO MATTER WHAT TOWN YOU ARE INjKNOW HOW MUCH MORE GOVERNMENT SERVICES ARE COSTING AND YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY NOT TO CUT THE SERVICES BUT LOOKING FOR A WAY TO STREAMLINE , LOOKING FOR A WAY BECAUSE THE TAXPAYERS ALL THE TIME I KNOW. , NEXT MONTH WHEN THE TAX BILLS COME OUT I WILL BE INUNDATED IN MY OFFICE , II yHgyyATE IITVV77OEFE COME IN JANUARY BECAUSE THEY PAY THEIR TAXES THAT THE TAX AND SAY HOWEMUChinINC�EASEDDHOW MAKE A THE OLDER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE; THEIR HOMES I HAVE LISTENED TO THAT SO WHAT THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE GOVERNMENT INCLUDING AROUND THE COUNT AND WHY THEY HAVE BEEN SO COOPERATIVEJIS THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THOSE PROBLEMS . IF THIS CAN BE DONEu AND WE CAN GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROTECTION FOR OUR PEOPLE` THAT THEY ARE GOING TRY TO HELP US DO IT BECAUSE SOMEDAY THEY ARE GOING TO BE INTO THAT POSITION ALSO AND THEY WILL NEED THE HELP OF THE REPRESENTATIVES IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY . IT IS NOT LIKE GOING TO A FOREIGN AGENCY THEY HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY COOPERATIVE. r MR. WIDEMAN- BUT WHY WOULD THEY AS A COUNTY WANT TO MAKE THEIR DEPARTMENT LARGERjCREATE MORE PROBLEMS FOR THEMSELVES BY HAVING A LARGER FORCE TO j DEAL WITH , WHAT IS IN IT FOR THEM; WHY DO THEY WANT , THERE MUST BE SOME BENEFIT TO THEMIFOR THEM TO WANT TO MAKE THIS MOVEJOTHERWISE IT WOULD BE NATURAL FOR THEM JUST TO SAY NO , IF IT IS GOING TO BE MORE TROUBLE WE JUST AS SOON KEEP YOU, HAVE YOU KEEP YOUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS TO THEM WHY DO THEY WANT OUR POLICE DEPT. TO JOIN WITH THEIR FORCES AND MAKE THEM A LARGER ORGANIZATION . SUPERVISOR WALTER- WELL FOR THE MOST PART THE POLICE OFFICERS WANT THAT , I CAN 'T TELL YOU ,THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CONTRACTING , BUT THE POLICE OFFICERS WERE LOOKING FOR CONSOLIDATION. I TALKED WITH ONE LAST NIGHT HE SAID THAT WAS THE REASON WHY HE CAME TO QUEENSBURY BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THAT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS TIME THERE WOULD BE A CONSOLIDATED COUNTY AGENCY AND THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS LOOKING . FOR . THE FELLOWS THAT ARE UP IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. I HAVE TALKED WITH THE UNION PRESIDENT UP THEREiTALKED WITH THE DEPUTIES BECAUSE OUR 32 FELLOWS WERE COMING OVER, AND HOW WERE THEY GOING TO ACCEPT THEM, WITH OPEN ARMS , VERY GLAD TO HAVE TRAINED PATROLMEN TO BE A PART OF THEIR GROUP TO BOLSTER IT TO MAKE IT BETTER. MR. WIDEMAN- BUT HOW DO THE RANK AND FILE OFFICERS OF THE COUNTY FEEL WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO POSSIBLY HAVE PEOPLE COMING I+T A HIGHER RANK THEN THEY ARE FOR POSITIONS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN BIDDING FOR MAYBE FIVE YEARS. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- THEY WILL NOT BE COMING IN BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL GOING TO GO OVER AS PATROLMEN THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME SHIFTING IN THAT DEPARTMENT UNDER A NEW SHERIFF, AND THOSE ARE HIS DECISIONS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THE SHERIFF 'S DEPT., IN THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS BECOME A PART OF CIVIL�ERVICE, SO ANY ADVANCES MADE BY ANY OF THE OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT WILL BE THROUGH TESTING. SO IT WILL _f BE A COMPETITION-,BUT IF YOU CAN HOLD YOUR OWN ON A TEST, THEN YOU ARE GOING TO GO SOMEPLACE. IT WILL BE JUST AS HARD FOR OUR GUYS GOING INTO A LARGER UNIT TO HOLD THEIR OWN AS FAR AS THE TESTING, FOR ADVANCED RANKING. THEYARE GOING TO BE GOING OVER THE FELLOWS ARE GOING TO GO FROM HERE TO THE COUNTY WITH THEIR CIVIL SERVICE AS FAR AS THEIR PAY IS CONCERNED WITH INCREMENTS SO THEY ARE NOT GOING IN AS BASE RATE , THEY WILL BE GIVEN CREDIT FOR THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THIS DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WITH . IT IS THE RANK THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY . . . MR. WIDEMAN- YOU HAVE POINTED OUT THE FEELINGS OF OUR OWN POLICE PERHAPS SOME OF OUR OWN PATROLMEN WISHING TO MAKE THE MOVE AND IT MAY BE BENEFICIAL TO THEM BUT THE QUESTION I ASKED WASIWHY IS IT BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY FOR OUR POLICE DEPT. TO COME OVER. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- BECAUSE WE COULD ABOLISH OUR Rl' ICE DEPT. TOMORROW- WE COULD ABOLISH IT TONIGHT ANDSAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO CONTRACT WITH YOU, NOW YOU HIRE THE PATROLMEN, BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEED HERE FOR ADDITIONAL POLICEJSO COUNTY YOU MAKE SURE WE ARE COVERED. MR. WIDEMAN- AND THEY WOULD DO SO. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THEY COULD NOT , THEY WOULD NOT DO SO. OR WE WOULD BE DOING SO RIGHT NOW. . .YOU WOULD NOT GET THAT PAST THE SECOND FLOOR UP THERE-THAT IS A POLITICAL ISSUE AND THOSE NORTH COUNTY TOWNS WOULD NEVER STAND FOR THAT NOR THE CITY OF GLENS FALLS , AND I DO NOT BLAME THEM. MR. WIDEMAN-IF THEY DID IT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN OUR TAXES NEXT YEAR, SUPERVISOR WALTER- YESjBUT ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THE OTHER TOWNS TAXES , WHAT WE ARE DOING IS CONTRACTING , WE ARE SAYING TO THE COUNTY IF YOU TAKE OVER THIS POLICE COVERAGE WE WILL BE DOING AWAY WITH ADMINISTRATION AND THOSE COSTLY ITEMS BUT WE WILL PAY YOU FOR THE PATROLS . WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A BLOCK OF MONEY FOR YOU TO PUT THESE PATROLS ON THE ROAD AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE VERY HAPPY' TO GET THAT BLOCK OF MONEY. MR. WIDEMAN- HOW MANY PATROLMEN ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED? SUPERVISOR WALTER- NINE MR. WIDEMAN- WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST OF MAINTAINING THE POLICE VEHICLE AND SALARIES FOR AN OFFICER , YOU MUST HAVE SOME FIGURES ON THAT? SUPERVISOR WALTERI HE HAS PUT OUT WHAT SALARIES ARE AND WHAT GAS AND CAR REPAIRS. . . MR. WIDEMAN- APPROXIMATLEY PER MAN� WHAT DOES THAT AMOUNT TO? 1 COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY : 250­ 11 , DIVIDED BY NINE . MR. WIDEMAN- YOU ARE INDICATING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO ASSURE US THAT THERE WILL BE NO MORE THAN A 7% INCREASE IN OUR SUPERVISOR WALTER- THAT IS A NEGOTIATED PERCENTAGE . MR. WIDEMAN- WHAT HAPPENS IF INFLATION CONTINUES , RIGHT NOW WE ARE ON A DOWN SWING IN INFLATION AS FAR AS THE COST OF LIVING BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF IT TAKES ANOTHER SWING TO GET WORSE AGAIN AND WE GO BACK TO 12-15% INFLATION RATE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I TOLD YOU WHEN YOU WERE AT OUR BUDGET MEETING THAT OUR POLICE DEPT. SINCE 1980 HAS ESCIALATED ABOUT 61% 33 MR. WIDEMAN- BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF IT GOES THE OTHER WAS WILL WE NOT AS TAXPAYERS OF THE COUNTY NOW HAVE TO PICK UP THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHATEVER THE INCREASE ACTUALLY COMES OUT TO , OUR COUNTY SAYS NOW $250 ,000 PLUS 7% IS NOT ENOUGH WE HAVE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE SOME- WHERE IT HAS TO COME OUT OF OUR POCKETS ONE WAY OR THE - OTHER. EITHER WE ARE GOING TO PAY TO THE TOWN IN OUR TOWN TAXES OR THROUGH OUR TOWN TAXES OR WE ARE GOING TO PAY IT THROUGH OUR COUNTY TAXES . WHAT I THINK I AM TRYING TO SAY AND OTHER PEOPLE HERE ARE SAYING IN THE END WE ARE ALL GOING TO PAY IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER , WE ARE TAKING THE MONEY OUT OF ONE POCKET TO PUT IT IN THE OTHER POCKETjEVENTUALLY IT WILL ALL COME OUT THE SAME OR THERE—ABOUTS . I j SUPERVISOR WALTER-No) IT WILL NOTjIT WILL BE LESS EXPENSIVE . . . MR. WIDEMAN- WE FEEL/THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN, THAT IF THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THAT WE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR ITj FOR THAT DIFFERENCE, TO �- HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE CONTROL OF OUR OWN POLICE DEPT. AND TO HAVE OUR OWN MEN ANSWER TO OUR OWN TOWN BOARD=,YOU PEOPLE HERE AND ANSWER TO US IN A MORE DIRECT BASIS THEN IT WILL BE THROUGH THE COUNTY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THANK YOU. ASKED FOR FURTHER COMMENTS HEARING NONE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED 9 :04 P. M. RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION TO APPROVE MINUTES RESOLUTION NO , 382 , INTRODUCED BY DR. EISENHART WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MR. MORRELL : RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 23 , 1982 AND DECEMBER 7TH 1982 BE AND HEREBY ARE APPROVED. DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MR. MORRELL , r1RS . MONAHAN , MRS. WALTER NOES : NONE - ABSENT : NONE ABSTAIN : MR. MONAHAN ABSTAINED FROM THE VOTE FOR MINUTES OF 12-7-82 RESOLUTION TO SET SALARY SCHEDULE FOR THE YEAR 1982 RESOLUTION NO . 383 , INTRODUCED BY MR. DANIEL OLSON WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MRS . BETTY MONAHAN : RESOLVED , THAT THE SALARY OF EACH TOWN NON-UNION EMPLOYEES SET FORTH IN THE FOLLOWING SCHEDULE BE AND HEREBY IS FIXED AT THE AMOUNT SPECIFIED FIRE MARSH�,L , N. BODENWEISER $ 9 ,600 . 00 LANDFILL SUPERINTENDENT , J . COUGHLAN 18 , 700 . 00 DEPUTY TOWN CLERK , D. DOUGHER 11 , 100 . 00 BOOKKEEPER, M. FREEBERN 13 , 750 . 00 WATER SUPERINTENDENT , T. FLAHERTY 20 , 120 . 00 SUPT. BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS , T. FLAHERTY 2 , 500 . 00 CHIEF OPERATOR , R. VANDUSEN 16 , 700 . 00 COURT CLERK , P. JOSLYN 11 ,200 . 00 RECREATION DIRECTOR , H. HANSEN 16 , 400 . 00 HEALTH OFFICER, J . DIER 3 , 600 . 00 TAX RECEIVER, B . EGGLESTON 10 ,600 . 00 SUPERVISOR SECRETARY , B. HOWE 11 , 800 . 00 POLICE CHIEF , C. JUDKINS 20 ,000 . 00 WATER MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR, S. PHILLIPS 14 , 500 . 00 DEPUTY HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT , R. MISSITA 15 , 500 . 00 BUILDING INSPECTOR , S. LYNN 14 ,000 . 00 ASSISTANT BUILDING INSPECTOR , M. DEAN 11 ,000 . 00 DOG CONTROL OFFICER , R. WILLETT 9 ,600 . 00 SECRETARY WATER DEPARTMENT, C. FITZGERALD 9 , 200 . 00 PURCHASING , D. CHASE 1 ,000 . 00 DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MR. MORRELL , MRS . MONAHAN , MRS . WALTER NOES : NONE ABSENT : NONE 34 SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE ARE SETTING THE SALARY SCHEDULE FOR 1982 THESE EMPLOYEES WILL BE GETTING RETROACTIVE PAYCHECKSBACK TO .JANUARY THE 1ST . THEY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RAISES SINCE 1981 . COUCNILMAN OLSON AND COUNCILMAN MORRELL WAIVED THE READING OF RESOLUTION NUMBER 384 AND REQUESTED THAT COPIES BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. RESOLUTION TO TRANSFER FUNDS RESOLUTION NO. 384 , INTRODUCED BY MR. DANIEL MORRELL WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION SECONDED BY MR. DANIEL OLSON : WHEREAS, CERTAIN ACCOUNT WERE UNDERBUDGET IN 1982 AND OTHER ACCOUNTS WERE OVERBUDGETED, NOW , THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED , TO TRANSFER THE FOLLOWING : $ 871 . 00 FROM A1010 . 100 TOWN BOARD , PERSONAL SERVICES TO A1220 . 100 SUPERVISOR , PERSONAL SERVICES 582 . 00 FROM A1330 . 440 TAX COLLECTION , CONTRACTUAL TO A1410 . 100 TOWN CLERK , PERSONAL SERVICES 38. 00 FROM A1355 . 200 ASSESSOR , EQUIPMENT TO A1355 . 420 ASSESSOR , INSURANCE 2 , 427. 00 FROM A1440 . 440 ENGINEER , CONTRACTUAL 2 , 341 . 00 TO A1420 . 441 ATTORNEY , CONTRACTUAL 86 . 00 TO A1450 . 440 ELECTONS , CONTRACTUAL 354. 00 FROM A1450 . 100 ELECTIONS , PERSONAL SERVICES TO A1450 . 440 ELECTIONS , CONTRACTUAL 755 . 00 FROM A1620 . 100 BUILDINGS , PERSONAL SERVICES TO A1620 . 410 BUILDINGS , TELEPHONE � r 7 , 005 . 00 TO A3120 . 100 POLICE , CONTRACTUAL 424 . 00 FROM A3120 . 440 POLICE , CONTRACTAUL 1 , 929 . 00 FROM A3120 . 420 POLICE INSURANCE 4 , 652 . 00 FROM A3120 . 200 POLICE , EQUIPMENT 694 . 00 FROM A3120 . 440 POLICE , CONTRACTUAL TO A3120 . 410 POLICE , TELEPHONE 109 . 00 FROM A3120 . 450 POLICE , FUEL OIL TO A3120 . 430 POLICE , UTILTTIES 2 , 052 . 00 FROM A3120. 840 POLICE , WORKERS , COMP . 491 . 00 TO A3120 . 830 POLICE , FICA 1 , 000 . 00 TO A3120 . 850 POLICE , UNEMPLOYMENT INS . 561 . 00 TO A3120 . 860 POLICE , HOSPITALIZATION 167. 00 FROM A3410 . 420 FIRE MARSHAL , INSURANCE 111 . 00 TO A3410 . 100 FIRE MARSHAL , PERSONAL SERVICES 56 . 00 TO A3410 . 200 FIRE MARSHAL , EQUIPMENT 57. 00 FROM A3510 . 200 DOG CONTROL EQUIPMENT 50 . 00 TO A4010 . 440 BOARD OF HEALTH , CONTRACTUAL 7. 00 TD A4010 . 100 BOARD OF HEALTH , PERSONAL SERVICES 4 , 744. 00 FROM A5010 . 100 SUPERINTENDENT OF HIGHWAY , PERSONAL SERVICES 2 , 545. 00 TO A5132 . 430 HIGHWAY GARAGE , UTILITIES 2 , 199 . 00 TO A3310 . 440 TRAFFICIC[DNTROL , CONTRACTUAL 148. 00 FROM A5132 . 450 HIGHWAY GARAGE , FUEL OIL TO A5132 . 410 HIGHWAY GARAGE , TELEPHONE 8 , 000 . 00 FROM A7310 . 300 RECREATION , CAPITAL TO Hil RECREATION , RESERVE ACCOUNT 277. 00 FROM A7310 . 440 RECREATION , CONTRACTUAL 153 . 00 TO A7310 . 430 RECREATION , UTILITIES 34. 00 TO A7310 . 410 RECREATION , TELEPHONE 90 . 00 TO A7310 . 420 RECREATION , INSURANCE 800 . 00 FROM A7310 . 200 RECREATION , EQUIPMENT TO A7310 . 430 RECREATION , UTILITIES 35 104. 00 FROM A8730 . 440 CONSERVATION COUNCIL , CONTRACTUAL TO A8540 . 440 DRAINAGE , CONTRACTUAL 2 , 250 . 00 FROM A9030 . 800 FICA TO A9050 . 800 UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE 4 , 317 . 00 FROM A9514 . 900 TRANSFERS - PINEVIEW TO A9060 . 800 HOSPITALIZATION 300 . 00 FROM A1990 . 0 CONTINGENT ACCOUNT TO A1410 . 440 TOWN CLERK , CONTRACTUAL 864 . 00 TO C8810 . 100 PINEVIEW , PERSONAL SERVICES 694. 00 FROM C8810 . 200 PINEVIEW , EQUIPMENT 170 . 00 FROM C8810 . 420 PINEVIEW , INSURANCE 385. 00 FROM C8810 . 420 PINEVIEW INSURANCE TO 09060 . 800 PINE VIEW , HOSPITALIZATION 42 . 00 FROM C8810 . 430 PINEVIEW , UTILITIES 40 . 00 TO C9030 . 800 PINEVIEW , FICA 2 . 00 TO 09055 . 800 PINEVIEW , DISABILITY 200 . 00 FROM C8810 . 450 PINEVIEW , FUEL OIL TO C9030 . 800 PINE VIEW , FICA 60 . 00 FROM C9040 . 800 PINE VIEW , WORKERS COMPENSATION TO C9030 . 800 PINE VIEW , FICA 832 . 00 FROM 09040 . 800 PINE VIEW , WORKERS CONPENSATION TO C9060 . 800 PINE VIEW , HOSPITALIZATION 9 , 150 . 00 FROM DM5130 . 420 HIGHWAY MACHINERY , INSURANCE TO DS5142 . 100 HIGHWAY SNOW PERSONAL SERVICES 130 . 00 FROM DM9040 . 800 HIGHWAY MACHINERY , WORKERS COMPENSATION TO DM9030 . 800 HIGHWAY MACHINERY , FICA i 3.00 FROM DM9040 . 800 HIGHWAY MACHINERY , WORKERS COMPENSATION .-- TO DM9055. 800 HIGHWAY MACHINERY , DISABILITY 1 , 400 . 00 FROM DS9040 . 800 HIGHWAY SNOW , WORKERS COMPENSATION TO DS9030 . 800 HIGHWAY SNOW , FICA 426 . 00 FROM DS9050 . 800 HIGHWAY SNOW , UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE 423. 00 TO DS9060 . 800 HIGHWAY SNOW , HOSPITALIZATION 3. 00 TO DS9055 . 800 HIGHWAY SNOW , DISABILITY 5 , 126 . 00 FROM SW1 8330 . 440 QUEENSBURY WATER PURIFICATION CONTRACTUAL 2 , 000 . 00 TO SW1 8310 . 100 QUEENSBURY WATER ADMINISTRATION , PER. SERVICES 13. 00 TO SW1 8310 . 200 QUEENSBURY WATER ADMINISTRATION , EQUIPMENT 1 , 113. 00 TO SW1 8310 . 410 QUEENSBURY WATER ADMINISTRATION , TELEPHONE 2 , 000 . 00 TO SW1 8320 . 100 QUEENSBURY WATER POWER 8 SUPPLY PER. SERVICES 10 ,000 . 00 FROM SW1 8340 . 100 QUEENSBURY WATER TRANS . &DIST . PERSONAL SER. TO SW1 8320 . 100 QUEENSBURY WATER POWER & SUPPLY PERSONAL SERV. 2 , 000 . 00 FROM SW1 9050 . 800 QUEENSBURY WATER-UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE TO SW1 9030 . 800 QUEENSBURY WATER - FICA DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART, MR. MORRELL , MRS . MONAHAN , MRS . WALTER '- NOES : NONE ABSENT : NONE RESOLUTION TO ENTER INTO EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE . TOWN OF QUEENSBURY UNIT OF CSEA RESOLUTION NO . 385 , INTRODUCED BY MR. DANIEL OLSON WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MRS. BETTY MONAHAN : WHEREAS, AFTER EXTENDED NEGOTIATIONS , A PROPOSED AGREEMENT OF EMPLOYMENT HAS BEEN REACHED BETWEEN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY UNIT OF CSEA FOR THE YEAR 1982 AND 1983 ; AND 36 WHEREAS , SAID PROPOSED AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REDUCED TO WRITING, A COPY OF WHICH IS ANNEXED HERETO ; AND WHEREAS, THE FORM OF THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT AS ANNEXED HERETO HAS BEEN APPROVED BY LAWRENCE PALTROWITZ , ESQ . , COUNSEL TO THE BOARD , NOW , THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE SUPERVISOR OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY BE AND SHE HEREBY IS AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. i DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , MR. MORRELL , MRS . MONAHAN , MRS . WALTER NOES : DR. EISENHART ABSENT : NONE SUPERVISOR WALTER- DESCRIBED THE 1982-83 CONTRACT CSEA. . . COUNCILMAN EISENHART- I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION SIMPLY BECAUSE I HAVE A VERY STRONG ADVERSION TO ANY PUBLIC EMPLOYEE CONTRACT WHICH INCLUDES M'AGENCY SHOPyAND THIS DOES. COUNCILMAN OLSON- I AM PLEASEDWITH THE CONTRACTjTHANKED THE EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN AND UNION REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE JOB THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE TOWN . . . RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE CONTRACT WITH GLENS FALLS SENIOR CITIZENS CNETER INC. 1983 RESOLUTION NO . 386 , INTRODUCED BY DR. CHARLES EISENHART WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MR. DANIEL MORRELL : WHEREAS, THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY HAS HERETOFORE CONTRACTED WITH THE GLENS FALLS SENIOR CITIZENS CENTER , INC. TO PROVIDE FOR SERVICES FOR THE ELDERLY , AND WHEREAS , NEW YORK STATE AID IS AVAILABLE FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT , MAINTENANCE AND EXPANSION OF SENIOR CITIZENS PROGRAMS , WHICH AID WAS EXPANDED BY THE PROVISION OF CHAPTER 1001 OF THE LAWS OF NEW YORK , 1974 , PROVIDING AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT STATE AID WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR APPROVED EXPENDITURES FOR A MUNICIPAL PROGRAM , AND WHEREAS, THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY DESIRES TO CINTINUE ITS SUPPORT OF THE GLENS FALLS SENIOR CITIZENS CENTER , INC. UNDER PROVISIONS OF LAW SO AS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR STATE AID AS A CO-SPONSORING MUNICIPALITY , NOW , THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE SUPERVISOR OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY BE AND HEREBY IS EMPOWERED TO CONTRACT WITH THE GLENS FALLS SENIOR CITIZENS CENTER, INC. FOR THE' FURNISHING OF SERVICES TO THE ELDERLY RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY FOR THE YEAR 1983 ADN THE PAYMENT OF $4 ,500 . 00 THEREFORE BE APPROVED, AND THE SUPERVISOR IS HEREBY DIRECTED TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN AND A COPY OF SUCH CONTRACT , DULY EXECUTED SHALL BE FILED WITH THE TOWN CLERK . DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MR. MORRELL , MRS . MONAHAN , MRS . WALT. ' NOES : NONE ABSENT : NONE COUNCILMAN OLSON- NOTED THAT HE WILL BE SEEKING MORE INFORMATION FROM THE QSBY. SENIOR CITIZENS TO BETTER ASSESS THE CONTRACT FOR 1984 . . . RESOLUTION TO ADOPT A LOCAL LAW PROVIDING FOR THE ABOLITION AND DISCONTINUANCE OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPARTMENT 37 RESOLUTION NO , 387 , INTRODUCED BY DR. CHARLES EISENHART WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MRS . BETTY MONAHAN : WHEREAS, MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW § 10 ( 1 ) ( II ) ( A) ( 1 ) EMPOWERS THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY TO ABOLISH AND DISCONTINUE THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPARTMENT BY THE ADOPTION OF A LOCAL LAW PROVIDING THEREFOR, AND WHEREAS, SUCH A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW , A COPY OF WHICH IS ANNEXED HERETO , HAS BEEN PREPARED AND PRESENTED FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE TOWN BOARD , AND WHEREAS , MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW §20 (5 ) MANDATES THAT A PUBLIC HEARING BE HELD BY THE TWON BOARD PRIOR TO CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED LOCAL LAW FOR ADOPTION , AND `- WHEREAS , ON NOVEMBER 23 , 1982 , THE TOWN BOARD DULY ADOPTED A RESOLUTION SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING CONCERNING THE ADOPTION ' OF THE PROPOSED LOCAL LAW WITH SAID PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD AT 7 : 30 P. M. ON DECEMBER 14 , 1982 , AND WHEREAS , NOTICE OF SAID PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN DULY GIVEN AS REQUIRED BY THE PROVISIONS OF MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW §20 ( 5 ) t, INCLUDING PUBLICATION OF A NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING IN THE GLENS FALLS POST-STAR, AN OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OF THE TOWN OF nUEENSBURY , AND WHEREAS, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SAID NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING , A PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN DULY HELD ON DECEMBER 14 , 1982 , BY THE TOWN DOARD AT THE TIME AND PLACE SET FORTH IN THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING , AT WHICH PUBLIC HEARING ALL PERSONS INTERESTED IN THE SUBJECT THEREOF WERE DULY HEARD, AND WHEREAS , IT APPEARS THAT THE LOCAL LAW IN ITS PRESENT FORM IS IN COMPLIIAN(CE WITH ALL LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND THAT ALL LEGAL PROCEDURES NECESSARY FOR CONSIDERATION OF ADOPTION OF SAID LOCAL LAW HAVE BEEN FULFILLED, NOW , THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED , THAT THE LOCAL LAW PROVIDING FOR THE ABOLITION AND THE DISCONTINUANCE OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPARTMENT , IN THE FORM ANNEXED HERETO , BE ADOPTED AND PASSES AS LOCAL LAW N0 . 3 OF 1982 OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND THAT THE SAME TAKE EFFECT AS PRESCRIBED THEREIN , AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED , THAT THE TOWN CLERK BE AND HE HEREBY IS AUTHORIZED AND DIRECTED TO TAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ACTION CONCERNING THE FILING AND PUBLICATION OF SAID LOCAL LAW AS IS REQUIRED BY THE PROVISIONS OF MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW 527 AND ANY OTHER PROVISION OF LAW. DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MRS . MONAHAN , MRS . WALTER NOES : MR. MORRELL �- ABSENT : NONE RESOLUTION TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH COUNTY OF WARREN FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES RESOLUTION NO . 388 , INTRODUCED BY DR. CHARLES EISENHART WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MR. DANIEL OLSON : WHEREAS , THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF nUEENSBURY HAS ADOPTED A LOCAL LAW ABOLISHING AND DISCONTINUING THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPARTMENT EFFECTIVE AS OF DECEMBER 31 , 1982 AT 11 :59 P . M. , AND WHEREAS, THE TOWN IS THE MOST HIGHLY POPULATED TOWN IN THE COUNTY OF WARREN AND A KNOWN NEED EXISTS FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE PROTECTION ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT WHICH IS' USUALLY AND NORMALLY PROVIDED IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY BY THE COUNTY OF WARREN THROUGH THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT , AND 38 WHEREAS, THE TOWN HAS OFFERED TO PAY TO THE COUNTY AN AMOUNT SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE SUCH ,�DDITI,QNAL, SERVICES IN THE TOWN , AND THE COUNTY HAS INDICATED ITS WILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE SUCH ADDITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDER- ATION TO BE PAID BY THE TOWN TO THE COUNTY , AND WHEREAS, NEGOTIATIONS HAVE BEEN HELD BETWEEN THE TOWN OF nUEENSBURY AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN , WHICH NEGOTIATIONS HAVE RESULTED IN THE FORMULATION OF A PROPOSED CONTRACT , A COPY OF WHICH IS ANNEXED HERETO , AND WHEREAS , SAID PROPOSED CONTRACT SETS FORTH ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN RELATIVE TO SAID LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES , AND I WHEREAS, IT APPEARS THAT THE PROPOSED CONTRACT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE IN ALL RESPECTS AND THAT ENTERING INTO SUCH A CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY OF WARREN WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. NOW , THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED , THAT THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES AND THAT SAID AGREEMENT CONTAIN ALL TERMS AND PROVISIONS , AND BE IN THE FORM ANNEXED HERETO , AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, THAT THE SUPERVISOR OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY BE HEREBY AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE SAID AGREEMENTSFOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES BETWEEN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MRS . MONAHAN , MRS. WALTER NOES : MR. MORRELL 'ABSENT : NONE COUNCILMAN MORRELL- I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE ONE� WHEREAS , SAYS IT WILL BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY , I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. RESOLUTION OF SORROW RESOLUTION No. 389 INTRODUCED AND SECONDED BY THE ENTIRE TOWN BOARD WHEREAS, ROBERT E. BEDORE HAS SERVED AS A MEMBER OF THE QUEENSBURY- GLENS FALLS LANDFILL COMMITTEE SINCE ITS BEGINNING AND WHEREAS, ROBERT E . BEDORE DEVOTED HIS TIME AND EFFORTS WITH ENTHUSIASM, DEDICATION AND SINCERITY AND WHEREAS, ROBERT E . BEDORE'S CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE RESULTED IN GREATER INTER-MUNICIPAL COOPERATION AND IMPROVED SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WHEREAS, THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PEOPLE OF QUEENSBURY WERE SADDENED TO LEARN OF THE UNTIMELY PASSING OF ROBERT E . BEDORE ON DECEMBER 11 , 1982 , NOW , THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED , THAT THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY , ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF=THE TOWN , DOES HEREBY EXPRESS THEIR DEEP SORROW ON THE DEATH OF THEIR FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE , ROBERT E . BEDORE AND DOES EXPRESS TO ALICE , HIS WIFE ; GERTRUDE , HIS MOTHER AND HIS CHILDREN THEIR HEARTFELT SYMPATHY AT THIS DIFFICULT TIME. DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MR. MORRELL , MRS. MONAHAN , MRS . WALTER NOES : NONE ABSENT : NONE RESOLUTION TO REQUEST LOWER SPEED LIMIT RESOLUTION NO . 390 , INTRODUCED BY MR. DANIEL OLSON WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MRS. BETTY MONAHAN : 39 WHEREAS , THE TOWN BOARD HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE PROJECT MANAGER OF JOHN BURKE APARTMENTS TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT ON BURKE DRIVE AND BURKE CIRCLE , AND WHEREAS, THE QUEENSBURY TOWN BOARD REQUESTS THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO CONDUCT A FEASIBILITY STUDY REGARDING THE POSSIBILITY OF LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT IN THIS AREA , NOW , THERE- FORE BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE TOWN CLERK BE AUTHORIZED TO SEND THE PROPER FORMS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION REQUESTING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY ON BURKE DRIVE AND BURKE CIRCLE. DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , MR. EISENHART , MR. MORRELL , MRS . MONAHAN , MRS . WALTER NOES : NONE ABSENT : NONE COMMUNICATIONS -LTR. N. Y.ST. DIVISION OF EQUALIZATION AND ASSESSMENT-CONGRATULATING MR. LAROSE ON SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETING PHASE I AND II OF THE BASIC COURSE OF TRAINING FOR ASSESSORS ON FILE —LTR. MR. HANSEN REQUESTING TO BE ALLOWED TO GO OUT TO BID FOR A NEW PICKUP TRUCK— THE BOARD DIRECTED MR. CHASE TO GO OUT TO BID. . . DISUCSSION HELD ON THE HALL MOBILE HOME—BENNETT ROAD COUNCILMAN MORRELL— STARTED THE DISCUSSION REVIEWING THE MOBILE HOME APPLICATION NOTING THAT A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD AND THAT NO OPPOSITION FROM THE PUBLIC WAS HEARD. . . . THE PLACEMENT OF THE MOBILE HOME APPEARS TO BE SOMEPLACE OTHER THAN WHERE IT WAS INTENDED TO BE PLACED I , FEEL I WAS MISLEAD IN THE APPLICATION—HAD I KNOWN AT THE TIME WHERE IT WAS GOING TO BE PLACED I WOULD HAVE NOT SUPPORTED THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL. COUNCILMAN EISENHART— I WAS UP THERE AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE PRESENT LOCATION OF THE MOBILE HOME WAS NOT WHERE IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL MAP , IT HAS BEEN MOVED ACROSS THE LOT AND BECOMES VERY MUCH APPARENT ON THAT STREET-. HUMMINGBIRD LANE. WHERE THE MAP INDICATED IT WAS GOING TO BED WAS WELL AWAY FROM ANY APPEARANCE ON HUMMINGBIRD LANE. MY REACTION IS THEY SHOULD MOVE IT BACK TO WHERE THEY GOT THEIR PERMIT. . . DO WE HAVE A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A 1974 OR NOT? COUNCILMAN MORRELL—IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT IT IS WITHIN COMPLIANCE. COUNCILMAN OLSON— I MADE THREE TRIPS TO THE SIGHT BEFORE WE HAD THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND ONE OF THOSE TRIPS WAS MADE IN lHEHUMMINGBIRD ROAD AREA AND I STOPPED MY CAR SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES AND LOCATED THE SITE THAT I BELIEVED THE MOBILE HOME WAS GOINGJBASED ON THE APPLICATION AND I WAS OVER ON THE OTHER STREETS TO . 1 WAS LED TO� BELI:EVE IHAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS TO COME OFF BENNETT ROAD. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER— NOTED THAT THE TRACKS COMING FROM HUMMINGBIRD ONTO THE PROPERTY WERE MADE . . . ( READ FROM LETTER FROM MRS. HALL ) it IT WAS NOT OUR DECISION TO COME IN FROM HUMMINGBIRD LANE WITH s ELECTRICAL SERVICE AND WATER IT WOULD BE AN INCONVENIENCE FOR US TO USE THE : LANE FOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. ' ' I, COUNCILMAN MONAHAN— I TOOK THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION UP AND LOOKED AT IT hV AND TO MY MIND) THE MOBILE HOME HaS NOT BEENRAC® WHERE IT WAS SIGHTED ON THIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION . I WILL GO ON RECORD THAT I WILL NEVER PASS THESE AGAIN UNLESS THE LOT— IS STAKED OUT EXACTLY WHERE THE MOBILE HOME IS GOING TO GO . COUNCILMAN OLSON— I WILL NOT VOTE ON A MOBILE HOME THAT THE MOBLE HOME LOT ITSELF AND THE DRIVEWAY DOES N 'T FRONT , IT HAS TO FRONT ON A TOWN ROAD.- . . COUNCILMAN MORRELL—ONEOF THE CRITERIA FOR A PERMIT IS THAT THE LOCATION OF THE MOBILE HOME MUST BE AN AREA CONDUSIVE TO MOBILE HOMES—THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED IT WAS THE WAY IT IS NOW IT APPEARS TO ME NOT TO BE. 40 TOWN COUNSEL- NOTED THAT HE DID NOT KNOW WHERE THAT INFORMATION CAME FROM-NOT PART OF THE ORDINANCE. . . COUNCILMAN OLSON- REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE I WAS MISLE,D�, ON THE LOCATION OF THE MOBILE HOME, WHERE IT WAS TO BE PLACED. . . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- THE VISIBILITY OF THE MOBILE HOME IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WE WERE LED', TO BELIEVE. . . TOWN COUNSEL- WE HAVE A SITUATION OF WHERE YOU HAVE APPROVED A PERMIT . . IF THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL VARIATION FROM WHAT IS PRESENTEDIYOU AS A BOARD HAVE A RIGHT TO RELY ON THE PLAN AS,,IT WAS SUBMITTED AND THE REPRESENTATIONS THAT WERE MADE TO YOU IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PLAN AND YOUR APPROVAL IS REALLY EVEN THOUGH UNEXPRESSED SPECIFICALLY PREDICATED ON THE REPRESENTATION THAT WERE MADE. . . . IF THE LOCATION IS SUBSTANTIALLY IN VARIANCE FROM THE LOCA- TION AS REPRESENTED TO YOU , YOU APPROVED IT AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION AND IT HAS BEEN PLACED ELSEWHERE IF THAT IS THE ACTUAL SITUATION , YOU, WOULD BE IN YOUR RIGHTS. . . OR AS AN ALTERNATIVE WITHOUT TAKING FORMAL ACTION I PRESUME, NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAS BEEN ISSUED J IT IS MORE THE POSSIBILITY WITHOUT TAKING FORMAL ACTION OF HAVING COMPLIANCE TO PLANS AS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED THEN HAVE FORMAL ACTION SO YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO IF SOMETHING IS ACCEPTABLE TO BE WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FORMALITY OF PRECEEDINGS AGAIN IF THAT WAS ACCEPTANCE. . . I COULD GIVE YOU AN OPINION OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL VARIANCE BECAUSE I JUST SAW THE PLANS FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE. RECOMMENDED THAT MEASUREMENTS BE MADE OF THE LOCATIONS. . . YOU HAVE THE CONTROL MEASURE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY . . . TO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE HAS BEEN EXPENDITURES RUNNING WATER LINES IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS GRANTED A PERMIT TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAI_EXPENDITURES PREDICATED UPON THAT PERMIT THEN IN FACT CERTAIN RIGHTS BECOME VESTED BUT THAT DOES NOT BAR YOU IF IN FACT THE EXPENDITURES WERE MADE RELATIVE TO A LOCATION WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT OR THE FACTS IN OTHER RESPECTS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THEN WHAT THEY WERE REPRESENTED TO YOU TO BE. OPEN FORUM MR. JIM URCH-HUMMINGBIRD LANE-NOTED THAT THE MOBILE HOME IS NOT CONDUSIVE TO THE AREA , WHERE IT IS PLACED NOW IN PLAINSIGHT OF HUMMINGBIRD LANE. . . ( GAVE PHOIM ' - TO TOWN BOARD RE : MOBILE HOME ) SUPERVISOR WALTER- I GET THE DRIFT FROM THE TOWN BOARD THAT THEY ARE NOT HAPPY' WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE TRAILER WHERE IT IS NOW AND BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME INVESTMENT OF MONEY OUT THERE RELATIVE TO SEPTIC AND WATER-WHAT WE WILL ATTEMPT TO DO WILL BE TO FIRST,. STEP HAVE THE HALL ' S MOVE THE TRAII..ER BACK INTO A SPOT THAT IS MORE IN WHERE IT WAS NOTED ON THE APPLICATION IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE SCREENING STAYS THERE. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE SCREENING , I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU OBJECT TO THE TRAIL©R BEING THERE OR YOU JUST DO NOT CARE TO SEE IT. MR. URCH-A LITTLE OF BOTH. . . TOWN COUNSEL- SUGGESTED THAT THE TOWN BOARD NOTIFY THE HALL' S ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED. . . MRS. FERN HALL-WHAT ARE YOU BASING YOUR DECISIONJTHAT THE TRAILER IS NOT IN THE PLACE WHERE WE SAID IT WOULD BE? SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD THAT THEY HAVE ALL BEEN OUT THERE , THEY USED THE PERMIT, APPLICATION , WITH THE MAP THAT WAS PROVIDEDjUSED THAT) AND VISITED THE SITE AND THEY DO NOT FEEL THAT THE TRAILER IS PLACED WHERE IT YS NOTED ON THE PLOT PLAN . MRS . FERN HALL- DID ANYONE HAVE A TAPE MEASURE? SUPERVISOR WALTER- THIS IS WHAT OUR ATTORNEY HAS INDICATED THAT WE NEED TO DO. MRS. FERN HALL- I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT MR. LYNN AND MR. DEAN TOOK MEASUREMENTS AND THEY FEEL THAT I AM WITHIN MY PLOT PLAN. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE NOT HEARD THAT FROM MR. LYNN OR MR. DEAN . 41 MRS. FERN HALL- POINT ONE-THE LEGAL NOTICE PLACED IN !'THE POST STAR ABOUT THIS MATTER WAS MISLEADING ADVERTISING. RESIDENTS OF HUMMINGBIRD LANE WHO READ THE NOTICE THOUGHT IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR AREA BECAUSE IT STATED THAT THE TRAILER WAS TO COME OFF BENNETT ROAD, WHILE IN FACT THE SUPPOSED' FUTURE DEEDED PROPERTY AND TRAILER IS COMING OFF HUMMINGBIRD LANE. ( MY RESPONSE ) I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT NO ONE SAW THE NOTICE. IF THEY DID SEE THE NOTICE AND SAW BENNETT ROAD AND DID NOT CHECK IT OUT I WOULD THINK THAT IT WAS THEIR PROBLEM. OUR STREET ADDRESS IS BENNETT ROAD. OUT MAILING ADDRESS IS BENNETT ROAD. FOR YEARS THERE HAS BEEN A DIRT LANE MARKED ' ' PRIVATE DRIVE ' ' OFF BENNETT ROAD BELOW OUR DRIVEWAY WHICH GIVES ACCESS TO OUR BACK FIELD. OUR APPLICATION WAS FOR STEPHEN AND /OR THOMAS AND FERM HALL TO PLACE A TRAILER ON THE PROPERTY ON BENNETT ROAD AND AS SUCH WAS NOT MISLEADING ADVERTISING. POINT TWO ON THE GRIEVANCE -THE TOWN' BOARD WAS PRESENTED WITH A DECEPTIVE PLOT PLAN LOCATION , THE TRAILER IS LOCATED OFF HUMMINGBIRD LAND WITH A VISUAL IMPACT DIRECTLY IN SIGHT OF MT . VIEW ESTATES. IT IS NOT SET BACK OR BEH" A BARRAGE OF TREES AS THE HALLS ' IMPLIED IT WOULD BE. IT IS, IN FACT , ON A HILL OVERLOOKING HUMMINGBIRD LANE WITH THE LAND CLEARED TO THE EDGE OF MT. VIEW ESTATES RESIDENTS PROPERTY LINES. ( MY RESPONSE ) I AM NOT SURE WHAT A BARRAGE OF TREES IS. IT IS INCIDENTAL THAT THE PART OF OUR LAND WHERE WE PLACED THE TRAILER IS LOCATED OFF HUMMINGBIRD LANE. NO ONE IS SORRIER THAN WE ARE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF MT. VIEW ESTATES DEVELOPMENT LIVE NEXT TO OUR PROPERTY. I BELIEVE WE ARE ' 'ON A HILL ' 'BECAUSE TOP SOIL AND/OR GRAVEL WERE MOVED FROM THE PROPERTY ADJOINING OURS AFTER WE SOLD IT. WE TRIMMED BRANCHES FROM ONE TREE SO THAT MACHINERY COULD WORK . WE DID NOT CLEAR THE LAND TO THE EDGE OF MT. VIEW ESTATES RESIDENTS PROPERTY LINES. I BELIEVE THAT TREES WERE CLEARED WHEN HUMMINGBIRD LANE WAS BUILT AND WHEN THE TWO LOTS ADJOINING OUR PROPERTY WERE SOLD. I THINK SOME OF THE TREE TRUNKS WERE CUT UP AND PUSHED UPON OUR PROPERTY AND ARE STILL THERE. THE GAP IN THE TREES SHOWS ON OUR PLOT PLAN AND AS SUCH IS NOT DECEPTIVE. NO. 3 ( 7 ) : HE MOBILE HOME IS NOT IN A CONDUCIVE AREA TO MOBILE HOMES . STEVE HALL 'S INTENDED PROPERTY LINE SECTION BORDERS HUMMINGBIRDAND ROBIN LANES. VISUALLY , IT LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER LOT OF MT. VIEW ESTATES , WHOSE HOMES AVERAGE $60 , 000 TO $80 ,000 AND MOBILE HOMES ARE RESTRICTED IN THEIR DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS . ( MY RESPONSE) I SUBMIT THAT IT IS INCIDENTAL THAT WE BORDER HUMMINGBIRD AND ROBIN LANES. THERE IS A TRAILER NEAR US ON BENNETT ROAD. THERE IS A TRAILER NEAR US ON ELDRIDGE ROAD. THERE IS A TRAILER ALREADY ON OUR PROPERTY. NO RESTRICTIONS WERE PLACED ON US VIRTUALLY.OR OTHERWISE WHEN WE SOLD PROPERTY TO WOODBURYS FOR DEVELOPMENT. NUMBER 8 UNDER 3- THE MOBILE HOME IS NOT LOCATED AS SHOWN IN THE PROPOSED PLOT PLAN ( ANSWER) PROPOSED PLOT PLANS ARE NOT RE- QUIRED TO BE DRAWN IN MINUTE DETAIL. WE SACRIFICED SOME HOPED FOR ADVANTAGES TRYING TO LOCATE THE TRAILER AS NICELY AS POSSIBLE. THE MEN WHO MOVED THE TRAILER FOR US WAITED WITH THEIR MACHINERY RUNNING WHILE WE WALKED DOWN AT LEAST HALF THE LENGTH OF HUMMINGBIRD LANE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. I WENT TO MR. EICHLER AND MR. URCH BEFORE WE PLACED THE TRAILER TO TRY AND MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE OF PROPERTY LINES. I EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT WE WERE DOING AND THAT WE INTENDED TO COVER THE TRAILER WITH SIDING TO MAKE IT AS INCONSPICUOUS AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS STATED ON OUR APPLICATION . NINE UNDER NUMBER 3 - 'T4,€ ACCESS TO THIS DATE IS COMING FROM HUMMINGBIRD LANE , NOT BENNETT ROAD AS THE HALLS LED THE BOARD TO BELIEVE. ( MY RESPONSE) IT WAS NOT OUR DECISION TO COME IN FROM HUMMINGBIRD LANE WITH ELECTRIAL SERVICE AND WATER. IT WOULD BE AN INCONVENIENCE FOR US TO USE THE LANE FOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. NUMBER 4 TO DATE , THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE HALL PROPERTY IS DEEDED TO TOM C. HALL , SR. . , AND IS NOT RECORDED AS A SUBDIVISION TO HIS �-' CHILDREN. THE STEVE HALL MOBILE HOME WOULD BE A THIRD MOBILE HOME ON THE PROPERTY , MAKING IT A MOBILE HOME COURT , WHICH TOM HALL , SR. HAS NO PERMIT FOR. ( ANSWER) THOMAS C. HALL SR. HAS BEEN DEAD FOR TWO YEARS AND HAD NO CONNECTION WITH THIS PROPERTY THOMAS C. HALL , JR. IS ALIVE AND WELL AND MAD.. AS HELL. WE ARE NOT A SUBDIVISION. WE DO NOT INTEND TO BUILD A MOBILE HOME COURT. STEPHEN 'S IS THE SECOND TRAILER ON OUR PROPERTY , NOT THE THIRD. I HAVE THREE POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD IT LOOKS TO ME AS IF SOMEONE HAD GOTTEN SOME ' ' FACTS"! WE WOULDN 'T BE IN THIS SITUATION . POINT 2 I WONDER IF THE SIGNERS OF THE GRIEVANCE PAYING TAXES ON 60-80 THOUSAND DOLLARS ASSESSMENT? POINT 3 I WONDER IF MR. AND MRS . SIGNATURES ARE LEGAL? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME . UNKNOWN- NOTED THAT A BACKHOE HAD LEVELED EVERTHING IN ITS PATH FROM HUMMINGBIRD DIRECTLY UP TO THE TRAILER. . . IT LOOKS LIKE A DRIVEWAY FROM THE DEADEND OF HUMMINGBIRD. 42 MRS . HALL- THE BACKHOE PUT IN OUR ELECTRICAL SERVICE AND OUR WATER SERVICE AND LEVELED THE LAND BACK WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- DID THE BACKHOE TAKE DOWN SOME OF THE SCREENING THAT WAS THERE BEFORE? MRS. HALL- I STATED THAT WE TRIMMED SOME BRANCHES FROM 'ONE TREE COUNCIMAN` MONAHAN- I DZD NOT ASK YOU THAT , I SAID DID THE BACKHOEj THE BACKHOE ITSELFjTHE SIZE OF THE MACHINE� TAKE DOWN ANY SCREENING THAT HAD BEEN THERE BEFORE. MRS . HALL- WE REMOVED NO TREES) DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- DID THE BACKHOE REMOVE ANY SCREENING ITSELF THE USE OF THE BACKHOE ITSEbFJTHEY ARE BIG PIECES OF EQUIPMENTS BY GOING OVER THE LAND, DID :IT TAKE OUT ANY OF THE SCREENING THAT HAD BEEN THERE BEFORE? MRS. HALL- NOCr .TO MY KNOWLEDGE . . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I WENT UP AND LOOKED AT THIS FROM YOUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION BEFORE I GOT THE MATERIAL FROM THE RESIDENTS AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS PERMIT AND LOOKED WHERE THE TRAILER IS NOW IN RELLATIONSHIP TO THE TREES YOU HAVE PLACED THEREJTO ME THE PLACEMENT DOES NOT LOOK THE SAME, AS IT IS ON YOUR APPLICATION . SUPERVISOR WALTER- REG: MINUTES OF THE HEARING THERE WERE TWO CONCERNS OF THE BOARD ONE WAS THAT WE WERE CONCERNED OVER WHERE THE WATER WAS COMING FROM AND THE OTHER) WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING SO FAR BACK ON THE LOT WERE THERE ANY KIND OF SCREENING! COUNCILMAN OLSON- COMPARING THE MAP WITH PHOTOS OF THE AREA NOTED THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCREPANCY. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS TO HAVE THE BUILDING DEFT BOYS) IF THEY HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND MADE THE MEASUREMENTS� THEY CAN GIVE THEM TO ME TOMORROW AND I WILL MAKE SURE THE BOARD MEMBERS GET THEM. THERE IS A CONCERN MRS. HALL THAT THE TRAILER IS NOT PLACED WHERE IT WAS NOTED WHEN WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I THINK THAT IS THE CONCERN OF TFE BOARD MEMBERS. MRS. HALL- WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE WITH YOUR TAPE MEASURE IF YOUR DECISION IS TO MAKE US MOVE IT , IT WILL BE A LOT MORE CONSPICUOUS. . . IF YOU MAGNIFY THIS MAP AND GO BY MY TWENTYFIVE FEET FOR ONE SQUARE AND TAKE THIS AND PUT IT EXACTLY WHERE IT SHOWS I HOWEVER YOU DETERMINE ITISOME LARGE TREES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT KNOW WHETHER I FOLLOW YOU OR NOT , IF WE LOOK AT THE PLAN) AND YOU PUT THE TRAILER BACK WHERE YOU HAVE ITjNOTED,, THEN SOME TREES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN� WHY WAS IT NOTED THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? MRS. HALL-THE PINE TREES AS DRAWN ON THE MAP ARE ONE PINE TREEjA.RE NOT ONE , TWO , THREE , FOUR , FIVE PINE TREES. . . I HOPE THAT SOMEONE ISN 'T USING OUR DRIVEWAY AND TAKING IT FOR THE PRIVATE DRIVE THAT WE ARE REFERRING TO AS ACCESS, THERE IS ANOTHER ROAD BETWEEN OUR DRIVEWAY AND MR. URCHES PROPERTY WHICH IS THE PRIVATE DRIVE WHICH WE USE �J AS ACCESS. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT , WHAT PRIVATE DRIVE? ALL I DID WAS STAY ON THE PAVED AREA OF HUMMINGBIRD AND DROVE DOWN THE DIRT ROAD OF ROBDN , MRS. HALL- WE HAVE HAD ALL SORTS OF TRAFFIC TWO CARS HAVE, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SAME CAR HAVE COME DOWN THE DRIVEWAY BY OUR HOUSE AND GONE OUT IN THE BACK FIELD AND STOPPED AND LOOKED-THAT IS NOT THE ACCESS ROAD THAT I AM REFERRING TO . SUPERVISOR WALTER- ARE YOU TALKING OFF BENNETT OR HUMMINGBIRD? MRS. HALL- OFF BENNETT - WE DO NOT INTEND TO USE HUMMINGBIRD LANE AS A DRIVEWAY OR ACCESS ROAD. . . . I DID NOT PUT HUMMINGBIRD LANE THERE� I HAVE OTHER PLANS FOR MY PROPERTY. 43 COUNCILMAN EISENHART- FROM THE LOCATION IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF YOU ARE LEAVING THAT MOBILE HOME, YOUR OBIVIOUS WAY TO GET ON A PAVED ROAD WOULD BE TO GO OUT HUMMINGBIRDtL(ANE, YOU MEAN TO TELL ME YOU ARE GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY UP ACROSS THE LOT AND GO OUT THE PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD? MRS. HALL- ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE LOT IS NOT THAT FAR WE ROAD IS THERE, WE USE IT ALL THE TIME. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- IT IS A LOT SHORTER TO GO DOWN THE NEW DIRT ROAD THAT IS THERE WHERE THE BACKHOE CUT IN , IT WOULD SEEM �TO ME THAT WOULD BE THE WAY OUT OF THERE. MRS. HALL-OUR TRAFFIC GOES DOWN AVIATION ROAD OR OFF AVIATION ROAD TO WEST MT. ROAD.-IF YOU USED HUMMINGBIRD LANE, YOU WOULD GO HUMMINGBIRD TO WHIPPOORWILL ON TO MT. VIEW LANE ON TO AVIATION ROAD TO GO THE WAY WE GOiWE GO OUT BENNETT ON TO AVIATION ROAD. i COUNCILMAN EISENHART- THAT WOULD BE SHORTER TO GET TO AVIATION ROAD? SUPERVISOR WALTER- MORE DIRECT. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- HOW MUCH PROPERTY DO YOU HAVE IN THAT PLOT OF LAND? MRS. HALL- WE ARE TAXED ON 3. 87 ACRES COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I THINK THAT THIS JUST POINTS UP THE FACT THAT THESE APPLICATIONS MUST BE CHANGED, WE ARE NOT GETTING ENOUGH DETAIL. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- WE HAVE HAD HOW MANY DOZEN OF THEM AND THIS IS THE FIRST ONE WHERE WE HAVE HAD PROBLEMS. . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- IF WE HAD THE TOTAL ACREAGE AND FEW THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT. SUPERVISOR WALTER- COUNSEL HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE TAKE NO FORMAL ACTION UNTIL WE GET SOME FIRM FIGURES THAT WE CAN RELY ON AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO DO THIS NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. { UNKNOWN- YOU SAY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID THE TRAILER IS A 1974. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- YES , HE TOLD ME THAT LATE THIS AFTERNOON BECAUSE EVERYDAY WE HAVE BEEN ASKING IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY KIND OF SERIAL NO. OR ANY EVIDENCE THAT IT IS NEWER THAN A 1974 , HE TOLD ME TODAY , THAT , THAT HAD COME IN. I DO NOT HAVE A COPY OF IT , IT WAS VERY LATE THISAFTERNOON. DO YOU KNOW WHAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO MR. LYNN TODAY MRS . HALL , THAT ALLOWED THAT IT WAS A 1974 OR NEWER? MRS . HALL- NO , MY ELECTRICIAN DID THE CHECKING FOR ME AND ALL I KNOW IS THAT I HAVE PHONE BILLS COMING FROM BUFFALO , WASHINGTON D .C . AND FROM N.Y. CITY. AND HE TALKED WITH MR. DEAN . SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION , THAT WAS A MATTER OF CONCERN, BECAUSE MOST APPLICATIONSWILL HAVE THE MODEL AND THE YEAR ON ITS AND MOST APPLICATIONS A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW FIRST IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PLACE A MOBILE HOME ON A LOT BEFORE THEY WILL PURCHASE AND THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- THE APPLICATION DID NOT SPECIFY. SUPERVISOR WALTER-THAT IS WHAT I SAID SO THAT IS WHY IT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO GET THAT INFORMATION. UNKNOWN- OUR MAJOR CONCERN WITH THE MOBILE HOME IS THAT IT IS NOT CONDUSIVE TO OUR AREA, WE GOT BOGGED DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE ACCESS ROAD OFF HUMMINGBIRD, OFF BENNETT BUT OUR MAJOR CONCERN IS THAT IT IS NOT CONDUSIVE TO THEN WHOLE COMMUNITY OR AREA. WE CAN SEE IT AND ACCORDING TO THE RULES THAT WE HAVE iTHE LOCATION OF THE MOB'ILE' .HOME MUST BE IN AN AREA CONDUSIVE TO MOBILE HOMES AND WE FEEL THAT IT IS NOT CONDUSIVE. THE AREA IS NOT CONDUSIVE TO MOBILE HOMES-WE HAVE GIVEN YOU PICTURES TAKEN UP AND DOWN HUMMINGBIRD LANE AND IT SHOWS THAT IT IS NOT CONDUSIVE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- THAT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THAT COME FROM. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I THINK THAT IS JUST PART OF THE APPLICATION , THAT 44 IS WHAT I WOULD GUESS WITHOUT STEVE BEING HERE . SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE HOWEVER. IT MAY BE GUIDELINES OR SOMETHING, BUT IT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE. UNKNOWN- THERE WERE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO DID READ THE NOTICE IN THE PAPER AND THEY FELT IT HAD NO BEARING ON OUR PARTICULAR AREA. . . BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT DID READ OFF BENNETT ROAD. UNKNOWN- SINCE WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY KIND OF COMMITTMENT TONIGHT WHAT WILL THE TIMETABLE BE. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- I WILL TRY TO GET THE BOARD TOGETHER SOMETIME THIS i WEEK AND HAVE MR. LYNN OR DEAN GO OUT WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR TO AND GET THAT INFORMATION , AND WE WILL TRY AND PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER. UNKNOWN-ONCE THE INFORMATIONIS AVAILABLE,, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER TOWN BOARD MEETING BEFORE IT BECOMESPASSED AS A RESOLUTION OR IS THIS GOING TO BE DONE BY THE TOWN BOARD WITHOUT AN OPEN HEARING OR FORUM AS WE ARE DOING TONIGHT. . . . . . TOWN COUNSEL- IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A FORMAL MEETING WHERE NOTICE OF THE MEETING WOULD HAVE TO BE GIVEN. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT WOULD NOT BE A HEARING iBUT WOULD BE A LEGAL MEETING AND , WE WOULD NOTIFY BEFORE THAT MEETING. UNKNOWN- WOULD IT BE ADVISABLE TO HAVE LEGAL REPRESENTATION AT THAT MEETING ON OUR BEHALF SINCE THERE WILL PROBABLY BE LEGAL REPRESENTATION ON OTHERS BEHALF OR IS THIS STILL GOING TO BE AN OPEN NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF FORUM TOWN COUNSEL;- TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE WOULD BE A DECISION YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THIS IS THE WAY MOST OF THE MEETINGS ARE RUN FAIRLY INFORMAL. I UNKNOWN- WHY ARE NOT MOBILE HOME APPLICATION NOT DRAWN TO SCALE? WHY DOES IT NOTFAVE TO BE SPECIFIC, MRS. HALL BROUGHT THIS UP IN ONE OF THE POINTS SHE WAS TRYING TO MAKE , I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE 30ARD TO MAKE A DECISION IN GRANTING A PERMIT THE BOARD KNOWS EXACTLY THE PLACEMENT OF THAT TRAILER. ? SUPERVISOR WALTER- WHEN YOU ARE DRAWING THE SCALE YOU ARE USING EXACT MEASUREMENTS AND YOU ARE GETTING INTO A LITTLE MORE EXPERTISE AND AS THE DOCTOR INDICATED THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH AND OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE HAD THOSE KINDS OF DRAWINGS, PLOT PLANS, WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEMITHE WELL AND WE HAKE USED THAT IT HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE LOT MAYBE BY EYE NOT NECESSARILY TOO EXACT TO SCALE. THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CLEAR INDICATION OF WHERE THE HOME WOULD BE LOCATED. MAYBE AS WE GET MORE SOPHISTICATED WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE THINGS TO SCALEJBUT IN THE PAST] WHEN WE HAVE HAD THE PLANS IN FRONT OF US,)THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN EXACTLY TO SCALE . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- THIS HAS BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE TO ME-FROM NOW ON= I WILL INSIST THAT THESE BE STAKED OUT SO THAT YOU ARE NO� LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND SAYINGJ WELL FROM HERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE OVER : THERE AND THAT'SGOING TO BE FINE FROM NOW ON I AM GOING TO DEMAND STAKES AND IT WILL BE PLACED WITHIN THOSE STAKES, BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY GUARANTEE WE HAVE . UNKNOWN- COULD WE SUGGEST THAT LETTERS BE SENT TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFYING THE RESIDENTS OF THE HEARINGS ON MOBILE HOMES. . . COUNCILMAN MORRELL- NOTED THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED TO STATE THAT LETTERS SENT TO WITHIN 500 ' OF THE PROPOSED PLACEMENT OF MOBILE HOMES. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- THAT WOULD BE AN ADDED EXPENSE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO RAISE THE APPLICATION FEE. COUNCILMAN OLSON- I THINK THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD AN APPLICATION FOR A MOBILE HOME THAT BORDERS A SUBDIVISION SUCH AS YOURS. . . USUALLY WE ARE IN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE OTHER MOBILE HOMES. . . 45 SUPERVISOR WALTER- THERE ARE OTHER MOBILE HOMES IN THE AREA IN THE OTHER DIRECTION COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THIS FROM BENNETT ROAD YOU GOT AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THEN WHEN YOU DID GO AROUND AND LOOK AT IT FROM HUMMINGBIRD. SUPERVISOR WALTER- NOTED THAT SHE WOULD CONTACT MR. URCH UPON RECEIVING ANY INFORMATION IN REGARD TO THIS MOBILE HOME. . . MRS . HALL- REQUESTED THAT THE BOARD SHOW HER WHERE THEY THINK THE PLACEMENT OF THE MOBILE HOME IS. SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT WAS ESTIMATED ABOUT 50 ' IT WAS ESTIMATED HERE `- WITHOUT GOING OUT TO LOOK , IT WAS ,ABOUT 50 ' FURTHER SOUTH . . . OF WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. MR. LABOMBARD-TELL ME ABOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE BOARD HAS APPROVED THE APPLICATION FOR A PERMIT NO PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED AT THIS TIME. MR. LABOMBARD-THE PEOPLE IVING IN. THE TRAILER WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THEY SHOULD NOT BE. MR. LABOMBARD- WE CERTAINLY RESPECT THESE PEOPLESRIGHTSTO LIVE IN A MOBILE HOME , I MY--SELF IN MY YOUNG ADULT LIVED IN A MOBILE HOME. I ALSO RESPECT THAT YOU ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE HERE TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF ALL THE PEOPLE AND WE DO THINK THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME KIND OF A COMPATABLE COMPROMISE OR SOMETHING (REACHED HERE. WE ARE CONCERNED THAT WE WERE NOT WELL INFORMED-,WE JUST WERE NOT OR WE WOLD HAVE BEEN HERE-THERE ARE OTHER TRAILERS THERE� MR. TUCKER LIVES IN A TRAILERJHE HAS LIVED THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS. THIS IS WHERE WE THOUGHT THE TRAILER WOULD BE , WE READ THE ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE PAPER IT SAID ELDRIDGE RD. OR BENNETT ROAD AND THIS IS WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BEwTHAT IS WHY NO ONE WAS HERE. WE DO FEEL THAT WE WERE NOT WELL INFORMED. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO ON RECORD KNOWING THAT MRS. HALL- WE DO NOT WANT TO SEND THESE POOR PEOPLE OUT IN THE SNOW BANK THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE BUT WE DO WISH THAT THEY WOULD COMPLY REALLY WITH WHAT THEY SAID AND PUT THEIR TRAILER INRLESS CONSPICIOUS PLACE. MR. WOLFE - WHEN I APPLIED FOR AN ADDITION THEY CAME AND CHECKED MY PLOT OUT AND THEY ALSO WENT TO THE NEIGHBORS. MRS. HALL - MAY I ASK WHO THAT GENTLEMAN WAS AND ALSO THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BLUE COAT? MRS. WALTER - ASKED THE GENTLEMEN TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. THEY WERE DR. FINE AND RAYMOND WOLFE. MRS. HALL - INDICATED THAT THE TOWN BOARD CAME UP WHILE SHE WAS HOME. ( PART OF TAPE IS UNAUDIBLE) . I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT. I MAY TRY TO TAKE SOME LEGAL ACTION IF I AM THE SCAPEGOAT. I HAVE A VERY PREGNANT DAUGHTER-IN-LAW WHO ALSO HAS SOME HEART PROBLEMS AND RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO LIVE. I WOULD LIKE AS EARLY A RESOLUTION AS POSSIBLE. MRS. WALTER - THAT IS WHAT WE WILL STRIVE FOR. MR. DAIRE ASKED FOR A STUDY ON THE CORNER OF DIX AVE. AND QUEETNSBURY AVE. BECAUSE OF THE RECENT FATALITIES. MRS. WALTER - THAT MATTER HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE WARREN COUNTY SAFETY BOARD. MR. WOLFE - THE REAL REASON I CAME UP HERE TONIGHT IS THE WEST GLENS FALLS WATER DISTRICT. . I DO NOT FEEL THAT WHEN WE NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY THAT WE SHOULD READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER. I THINK THAT THE ONE WHO IS NEGOTIATING FOR THAT DISTRICT SHOULD CALL AND TELL WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. THE CITY INFORMED US WHAT i'WEY WERE GOING TO PAY AND THE TOWN NEVER SAID NOTHING. MRS. WALTER. - THAT IS NOT TRUE, WE WERE NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT. 46 MR. WOLFE - THE MAYOR CAME OUT IN THE PAPER AND SAID IT WAS GOING FROM 18 CENTS TO 38 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS AND THE CONTRACT IS READY TO BE SIGNED. WAS THERE ANOTHER STORY THERE FROM THE TOWNS POINT OF VIEW? MRS. WALTER - WE HAVE NOT SIGNED A CONTRACT YET . MR. WOLFE - WE SHOULD HAVE HEARD FROM THE NEGOTIATORS , NOT COMING FROM THE CITY. MRS. WALTER - WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT OUT. HE .WAS REPORTING TO HIS WATER BOARD THAT WE WERE IN CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE NOT REPORTED THAT TO HIS WATER BOARD. THE CONTRACT IS NOT SIGNED. MR. WOLFE - I THINK IT IS AN AWFUL INCREASE FOR ONE YEAR. IT IS 120% . MRS. WALTER - IT IS GOING TO ESCALATE SO MUCH THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY QUEENSBURY WATER BEFORE LONG. THIS RATE IS STILL CHEAPER IN YOUR DISTRICT THEN IF YOU HAD QUEENSBURY WATER. MR. WOLFE - YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CALLED A MEETING OF THE PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT TO SAY YES OR NO OR WHAT THEY THOUGHT! MRS. WALTER - IT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED Br WH-QEVE}3 W'E'RE THE NF-cQTlATQR§ WERE IN YOUR DISTRICT. THE ADMINISTRATORS OF ALL THE DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN IS THE TOWN BOARD. MR. OLSON - THIS DISTRICT WAS BUILT AND PAYED FOR BY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT. MRS. WALTER - I- CAN TELL YOU THAT I AM WORKING FOR YOUR DISTRICT AS THE MAYOR IS WORKING TO KEEP HIS WATER DEPARTMENT AFLOAT AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH AS AN ACCEPTABLE INCREASE. THESE RATES HAVE NOT BEEN INCREASED SINCE 1979 AND THE CITY CAN NOT SUPPLY WATER AT THOSE RATES . YOU HAVE A ZERO WATER TAX IN THE WEST GLENS FALLS WATER DISTRICT. YOU PAY A WATER USAGE CHARGE ONLY. MRS. MONAHAN - WHEN THEY HAVE QUEENSBURY WATER� THEY WILL HAVE UNLIMITED WATER TO USE. . MR. TURNBULL - I WILL FIGHT FOR ALL THE FUNDS I CAN GET FOR THE ELDERLY IN THIS TOWN. YOU CUT OUR BUDGET BY $ 200 . 00 AND YOU CUT THEIR BUDGET BY $500. 00 . OUR BUDGET IS STILL $500. 00 LESS THAN WHAT THEY GOT. I HOPE. THAT IN THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE YOU WILL BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE A PRODUCTIVE ORGANIZATION AND WE SHOULD GET MORE RECOGNITION FROM THIS TOWN . WE DO NOT ASK MUCH FROM ANYBODY AND WE GIVE EVERYTHING. WHERE WE MEET NOW THE FACILITIES ARE TOO SMALL FOR THE GROUP. THE HOVEY POND FACILITY WILL NOT BE LARGE ENOUGH FOR US. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IN THE FUTURE , GIVE US A LITTLE MORE RECOGNITION. I KNOW GOVERNMENT MOVES REAL SLOW. I AM SORRY THAT WE CAN MOVE FASTER THAN YOU CAN MOVE , BUT THAT IT THE WAY IT IS IN LIFE. RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AUDIT OF BILLS ;RESOLUTION NO. 391 , INTRODUCED BY MR. OLSON WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MR. MORRELL. RESOLVED, THAT ABSTRACT NO. 82-12B NUMBERED 2155 THROUGH 2343 AND TOTALING $ 146 , 032 . 56 BE AND HEREBY IS APPROVED. I DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , MR. EISENHART , MR. MORRELL , MRS . MONAHAN , MRS. WALTER. NOES : NONE. ABSENT : NONE. 47 MR. OLSON RECOMMENDED THAT STREETLIGHTS BE PUT NEAR THE JOHN BURKE APTS. NEAR THE SEWER PLANT AND ALSO WHERE BURKE DRIVE AND BURKE CIRCLE COME TOGETHER. ALL I HAVE TO DO IS GET THE NUMBERS OFF THE POLES. MR. MORRELL - WE ALSO NEED QNE ATE WEEKS .ROAD. MRS. WALTER - WHAT ABOUT LINDEN AVE. MR. EISENHART -I WENT OVER THERE AND LOOKED, THERE ARE THREE ROADS ACROSS THERE , THEY ALL HAVE THREE LIGHTS ON THEM. IF WE PUT ONE MORE LIGHT ON LINDEN WE HAD BETTER PUT ONE MORE ON EACH OF THE OTHER STREETS. THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER STREETS WILL BE PAYING FOR THE ONES ON LINDEN HAVING ONE MORE +- LIGHT. . I DO NOT SEE AN URGENT REASON FOR PUTTING ANOTHER ONE IN THERE. MRS. WALTER - WHEN WE GET TOGETHER 70 LOOK AT THAT TRAILER, WE WILL CHECK THAT AREA OUT ALSO. . MR. OLSON - I WILL PICK UP THE POLE NUMBERS ON BURKE. DAN , WILL YOU GET THE OTHER POLE NUMBERS ON WEEKS ROAD? SO WE HAVE SETTLED ON WEEKS AND BURKE . MRS . WALTER - AND THE BOARD WILL TAKE A TRIP TO REVIEW THE LINDEN AREA. MRS. WALTER - WE HAVE TWO PETITIONS , ONE THE GENTLEMEN ARE HERE. IT STATES WE THE UNDERSIGNED PROPERTY OWNERS DO HEREBY PETITION THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY TO EXTEND THE WATER DISTRICT TO INCLUDE THE FOUR PARCELS OF PROPERTY ON ROUTE 149 EXTENDING FROM ROUTE 9 TO APPROXIMATELY THE WARREN COUNTY BIKE PATH , THREE OF THE PETITIONERS ARE PRESENTLY WITHOUT WATER AT THIS TIME. THE OPINION OF THE SUPERINTENDENT WHO IS NOT HERE TONIGHT , IS THAT IT WILL NOT BE FEASIBLE TO RUN A TEMPORARY LINE TO HELP YOU OUT AS FAR AS WATER IS CONCERNED. TO PUT A PERMANENT PIPE IN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURES OF FORMING A WATER DISTRICT. THIS WOULD TAKE UNTIL JANUARY OR FEBRUARY AND THERE IS NO WAY THAT CONSTRUCTION CAN GO ON AT THAT TIME. YOU WOULD NOT GET WATER OUT THERE UNTIL APRIL. jam`; ,P- ft E1_-WE STARTED THIS PROBLEM IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST . WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH TOM FLAHERTY AND MR. VANDUSEN AND MR. BRENNAN . WE DID NOT DRILL A WELL BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT SOMETHING WAS IN THE WORKS. SINCE ~ THEN IT WAS TOLD TO US THAT WE COULD NOT DO WHAT THEY SUGGESTED. WE WERE TOLD THAT IF WE TOOK ANOTHER ANGLE TO THE THING WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD GET WATER. . SO WE HELD OFF AGAIN. WE WERE TOLD TO PUT IN A PETITION TO CHANGE THE WATER DISTRICT. . WE SIGNED THE PETITION AND TURNED IT IN TO TOM FLAHERTY. AGAIN WE WERE TOLD THAT THE BALL WAS ROLLING FOR TEMPORARY WATER. . THEY HAD NIAGARA MOHAWK THERE TO SHOW WHERE THE UNDERGROUND WIRES WERE IN OUR AREA. ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS THEN CALLED HIS ATTORNEY. ALONG WITH THE PETITION WE GAVE OUR NEIGHBOR A LETTER STATING THAT BECAUSE HE DID NOT NEED THE WATER WE SAID THAT WE WOULD PAY HIS TAX AND ANY ADDITIONAL COST TO HIM IF HE BECAME A PART OF THE WATER DISTRICT. WE THEN PROCEEDED AND HOPED SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN. HE CONTACTED HIS ATTORNEY AND STOPPED THE TEMPORARY WATER. I SPOKE WITH MR. BRENNAN THE LAST WEEK IN NOVEMBER AND HE SAID HE WOULD TALK TO TOM FLAHERTY , THAT HE SAW NO PROBLEM WITH TEMPORARY WATER , LEGALLY, AND IF WE HAD THREE SIGNATURES THERE WAS NO WAY THAT ONE -- PERSON COULD REALLY STOP THIS. IT HAS BEEN A RUN AROUND SINCE AUGUST FOR US. WE REALLY HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT. MRS. WALTER MR. FLAHERTY DID BRING TO THE BOARD INFORMATION BACK IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. IT HAD TO DO WITH RUNNING THE LINES OVER OTHER PEOPLES PROPERTY AND THE BOARD SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE WILL NOT WORK WITH EASEMENTS:: MR. PEACOCK - THIS WOULD BE DONE AT OUR EXPENSE. ALL WE WANTED WAS PERMISSION i TO HOOK ON. . MRS. WALTER - PLASTIC PIPE WILL NOT WORK NOW , IT WILL FREEZE. MR. PEACOCK - EXPLAINED HOW HIS LINES RUN ON HIS PROPERTY . TO HOOK ON THEY DO NOT HAVE TO CROSS ROUTE 149 , THEY JUST HAVE TO COME AROUND THE CORNER. ROUTE 9 TO ROUTE 149 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. THERE IS NO REASON TO GO ACROSS ROUTE 9 OF ROUTE 149 . MR. VANDUSEN - I TALKED IT OVER WITH TOM YESTERDAY. WHEN HE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION THE FIRST TIME HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE PLASTIC LINE FROM THEIR RESERVOIR CAME ACROSS ROUTE 9 , THEN ON THE "LOFT" SIDE OF ROUTE 149 , AND THEN HE FELT , WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE ERRONEOUS , THAT HE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT PLASTIC ACROSS 149 RIGHT BY THE GAS STATION AND THEN TRAVELLED PARRALLEL TO 149 ON THE SOUTH SIDE DOWN TO MR. PEACOCK 'S HOUSE. 48 WE GOT LOCATIONS FROM NIAGARA MOHAWK , AND MADE AN APPOINTMENT WITH MR. PEACOCK TO FIND OUT FOR SURE EXACTLY WHERE TO CROSS SO WE COULD RUN A PLASTIC LINE UNDERGROUND TO TEMPORARILY SERVE THEM. AT THAT TIME WE DID FIND THAT THE SERVICE LINE DID CROSS MUCH CLOSER TO HIS HOUSE , AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 500 FEET OF PLASTIC LINE. TOM WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION AFTER THAT , THAT IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE. BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT , THE BROOK' S CALLED THEIR ATTORNEY , THEY INDICATED THAT IF WE WERE ON THEIR PROPERTY INSTALLING ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULE SUE US. OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS GOING TO BE A BIG LEGAL HASSLE. HE TOOK ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE PLASTIC LINE IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE TO GO THROUGH AMD RUN THE PLASTIC AND THEN HAVE TO COME THROUGH AGAIN WITH A PERMANENT LINE . BASED ON THAT HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE NOT BECOME INVOLVED WITH A TEMPORARY LINE , IF WE WANT TO INCORPORATE IT AS A PART OF THE WATER DISTRICT OR A SEPERATE DISTRICT AND PUT A PERMANENT LINE IN THERE , THEN HE WAS IN FAVOR OF THAT. MRS. WALTER - THEN YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS TO EXTEND THE WATER DISTRICT. BUT THAT IS STILL SEVERAL MONTHS AWAY. MR. PEACOCK - THEN WHAT DO WE DO , WE HAVE BEEN OUT SINCE AUGUST . MR. VANDUSEN - ROUTE 9 WAS JUST REDONE. WE CAN NOT GET A PERMIT FROM THE STATE TO DO ANY DIGGING NOW BECAUSE WE CAN NOT REPLACE IT NOW. MR. PEACOCK - HAVE YOU ASKED THE STATE? THIS IS A CASE OF EMERGENCY. MR. VANDUSEN - THERE IS ALSO FROST IN THE GROUND. MR. MORRELL - THE REAR OF YOUR PROPERTY BUTTS UP TO THE REAR PROPERTY OF THE LOG JAM. MR. PEACOCK - THE LOG JAM SAID IF YOU WANT AN EASEMENT ACROSS OUR PROPERTY , YOU CAN HAVE IT . MR. OLSON - THE TROUBLE WITH EASEMANTS1IS WHEN THOSE PEOPLE CHANGE HANDS AND SOMETHING BREAKS IN THAT LINE , THE TOWN CAN NOT GO IN THERE AND REPAIR THAT IF IT IS YOUR PRIVATE LINE . MR. VANDUSEN - THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS TO DIG A DITCH ALONG THE ROAD , PUT IN TWO SERVICE LINES , ONE FOR HIMSELF , AND ONE FOR GEORGE AND PUT METERS IN. MR. PEACOCK IF I GOT THE PROPER EASEMANTS WOULD YOU RUN A TEMPORARY LINE? MRS. WALTER - WOULD WE RUN THE LINE OR WOULD THEY? WE WOULD JUST TAP IN AT THE MAIN WOULDN ' T WE? MR. VANDUSEN - UNDER HIS FIRST REQUEST , WE WOULD MAKE A TAP AND HE WOULD HAVE TO RUN THE SERVICE LINE. MRS. WALTER - WHY CAN ' T WE DO THAT? MR. VANDUSEN - I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD TALK TO TOM. MR. OLSON - IF YOU RUN A LINE YOURSELF, IT WOULD BE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. MRS. WALTER - IS THERE SOME PROBLEM WITH PRESSURE? MR. VANDUSEN - THE PRESSURE IN THE SUMMERTIME IS MARGINAL . AT THAT FIRE HYDRANT , YOU WOULD PROBABLY SEE PRESSURE AROUND 40 LBS. MR. PEACOCK - IF IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY , WHAT IS THE BOARD' S OBJECTION TO HOOKING US ON TO THE HYDRANT AND LET ME GET MY EASEMANTS AND PUT THE LINE IN . THERE WOULD BE TWO SEPERATE LINES , ONE FOR GEORGE AND ONE FOR MYSELF ACCORDING TO THEIR SPECIFICATIONS. . MR. OLSON - WE WOULD PUT THE METER IN THEIR CELLAR. MR. VANDUSEN - BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE , TOM HAS A BAD FEELING ABOUT EASEMANTS. MR. PEACOCK - IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF LEAKS , COULD THE METER BE PUT AT THE HYDRANT? 49 MR. VANDUSEN - THERE ARE A FEW CASES WHERE THE METER IS PUT IN AT THE PROPERTY LINE. WEST MOUNTAIN SKI CENTER HAS ONE. FIRST NATIONAL BANK HAS A SERVICE WHICH JUST WATERS THE LAWN. MR. MORRELL - ISN' T THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM? MRS. WALTER - HOW COME YOU DO NOT WANT TO DIG A WELL? MR. PEACOCK - IN CASE OF FIRE , THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM. MRS. MONAHAN - ASKED WHAT HAPPENED TO EVERYBODY'S WATER? MR. PEACOCK - PEGGY"IWELLER AND HER TWO BOYS STIRRED EVERYTHING UP AND DID NOT CLOSE THE VALVE ( HALFWAY RESERVOIR) . WE WOULD LIKE TOWN WATER BECAUSE IT IS SOFT , FIRE PROTECTION IS ANOTHER REASON. MRS. WALTER - ARE WE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION THIS EVENING? MR. EISENHART - HAVE RALPH TAKE THE WORD TO TOM. I FEEL WE SHOULD TRY TO DO SOMETHING. WE DO NOT WANT THOSE PEOPLE UP THERE WITH NO WATER. MRS. WALTER - I WILL GIVE YOU A CALL SOME TIME TOMORROW AFTERNOON LATE. I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO. I WILL GET A HOLD OF TOM TOMORROW MORNING AND WE WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO FOR YOU. ON MOTION THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED DONALD A. CHASE , TOWN CLERK i L_