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08-22-2023 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) QUEENSBURYPLANNINGBOARD MEETING SECOND REGULAR MEETING AUGUST22`'D 2023 INDEX Site Plan No.56-2023 New Potato Creek Holding LLC (Tidal Wave) 1. Tax Map No.296.17-1-47 Site Plan No.53-2023 Elizabeth Hogan 10. Tax Map No.2S9.14-1-27.2 Site Plan No.54-2023 Ibrahim Jamal(Cameron's Deli) 12. Tax Map No. 303.16-1-5S Site Plan No.52-2023 Judith Dooley 19. Tax Map No.239.20-1-S Site Plan No.55-2023 George Drellos 22. Tax Map No. 309.9-2-5 THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTH'S MINUTES(IF ANY)AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES. 1 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SECOND REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 22ND,2023 7.00 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT STEPHEN TRAVER,CHAIRMAN DAVID DEEB,VICE CHAIRMAN MICHAEL DIXON,SECRETARY NATHAN ETU BRADY STARK BRAD MAGOWAN FRITZ STEFANZICK,ALTERNATE MEMBERS ABSENT WARREN LONGACKER LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI MR.TRAVER-Good evening,ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Town of Queensbury Planning Board meeting for Tuesday,August 2211d 2023. This is our second meeting for the month of August and our IS" meeting thus far this year. Please make note of the location of the emergency exits,exit signs. Those are the emergency exits. So if we have an incident, that's the way out.. If you have a cell phone or other electronic device, if you would either turn it off or turn the ringer off, so as not to interfere with our proceedings, and we do have public hearings on all of our applications this evening, or I'm sorry, all but one. However,other than the public hearing,if you wish to have a conversation among yourselves,if you would just go to the outer lobby for that conversation,we would appreciate it, and with that we'll begin. Let's see. The first item is a tabled item. New Potato Creek Holding LLC, Site Plan 56-2023. TABLED ITEM: SITE PLAN NO.56-2023 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. NEW POTATO CREEK HOLDING,LLC(TIDAL WAVE). AGENT(S): BOHLER ENGINEERING. OWNER(S): EVEREST ENTERPRISES,LLC. ZONING: CI. LOCATION: 900 STATE ROUTE 9. APPLICANT PROPOSES DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A 3,190 SQ. FT. CAR WASH FACILITY AND A 2,730 SQ. FT. CANOPY FOR 22 ON SITE VACUUMS. THE PROJECT INCLUDES ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS: A PAY KIOSK STRUCTURE AND TWO VACUUM SERVICE BUILDINGS OF 154 SQ. FT. EACH. THE BUILDING COLORS WILL BE THE BLUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE TIDAL WAVE BRAND. THE PROJECT INCLUDES ASSOCIATED SITE WORK FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UTILITIES AND SITE LANDSCAPING. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040,SITE WORK FOR NEW COMMERCIAL USE IN THE CI DISTRICT SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SP 60-2007,SP 37-2018,AV 35-2018. WARREN CO.REFERRAL: AUGUST 2023. LOT SIZE: 1.72 ACRES. TAX MAP NO.296.17-1-47. SECTION: 179-3-040. CARYN MLODZIANOWSKI,REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Laura? MRS. MOORE-This application, again, is to construct a 3,910 square foot carwash facility with a 2,730 square foot canopy for 22 outside vacuums. It was tabled last week to address the lighting in the tunnel and the exterior appearance through the clear portion of the tunnel and the applicant has provided some photos, and I'll bring those up,as well as a video. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MRS. MOORE-So do you want to watch the video? MR. TRAVER-Well let's ask the applicant. Good evening. Welcome back. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Good evening. Thank you. For the record,Caryn Mlodzianowski with Bohler Engineering on behalf of New Potato Creek Holding LLC for the proposed Tidal Wave Carwash at 900 Route 9 in the Commercial Intensive zone here in Town. We did come back with some more information and visuals to support our application so that you can help picture how this architecture and lighting will 2 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) be in the built environment. So the current photo on the screen is the Tidal Wave Auto Spa after it's closed. So they do shut all the lights off. That one light you see there is actually shining through the building from another property behind it,but this shows that the intent is to close around eight p.m. So this is what it would look light at nighttime after they're closed, and then, Laura, the other photo prior was, so the concern or the question was the glazing on the building itself. So that facade which is the northern facade, the side of the tunnel that is essentially mainly all glazing, would be seen as you head south on Route 9. So if you look over the building that,this building here is the existing Pizzeria Uno. So that's where the Tidal Wave will be situated. As far as location on the site,they are about four or five feet within each other as far as the front setback. So the setback of the existing Uno is very similar to the Tidal Wave which would be pulled forward a few more feet. So this is the side that you would be looking at here that I believe is in question. MR.TRAVER-Okay,and thank you for sending us those photos and the video. Did everyone on the Board get to see the video that Laura distributed? MR. DEEB-Yes. MR. MAGOWAN-Yes. MR.TRAVER-My first thought when I watched the video was that it really didn't show,I mean it showed what it's like for the passenger or the pilot of the vehicle who's going through the thing,but it really didn't show it what it looks like outside at night,which was really our concern. So I guess the first question that I would have is,have you thought about making the tunnel sides the way they are on Quaker Road,so that it's opaque rather than clear? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-So they've done other facilities. Unfortunately for this evening they did not have a video from the outside of one operating at night yet. So that's why it was from the inside, and you can see the colored lights that are there. We did approach them on the architecture and at this time because it's their branding not to have that glazing on the one side of the building primarily that is what they want to stick with and propose here. So if you do need additional information on lighting to help understand that, we can gather that. They just couldn't gather all that within the past week since we were here last week and be able to bring that back. We did confirm that any of those lights that you see, there are a couple of instances where there are colored lights that change within the tunnel,that they are recessed up above the glazing within it. So I understand you'll still see the colors,but you won't see the actual light fixture itself. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So why the difference from the Quaker Road site to this proposed site in terms of having the sides opaque? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-It is a branding change they've made since. MR. TRAVER-So are they going to change the one on Quaker Road? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-I cannot confirm or deny that. MR. TRAVER-I know that's not in front of us tonight. MR. DEE&Well they just built that. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. DEEB-I can't see them changing that. MR. TRAVER-Yes/ MR. DEEB-I mean that was just done. MR.MAGOWAN-Well they'd have to run all new steel and everything. That's a bearing block wall with a window. MR. DEEB-It's not going to happen. MR. MAGOWAN-So I don't see that happening. MR. TRAVER-Okay. All right. Well I'll open it up for questions from members of the Board. 3 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. MAGOWAN-I'll start off because I'm the one that thought it was a discotheque and brought it up. The glass goes floor to ceiling,all right,and in the video that I watched,you know,the ceiling is higher. It looks a little peaked,and you have the LED lights up above. You have definitely a blue light which accents the soap and the foam,and then you have the flashing,you know,signals,oh now you're getting a tire wash, you're getting this,and then you have some other lights that are added in there which I saw yellows,greens, you know, reds, a purplish color, whatever. That's what's concerning me because it's going to go right down, and then you have the next car and it's going to fall. It's going to repeat. So it's going to be like,to me it kind of reminds me of a neon light that we don't allow,neon signs that we don't allow in Queensbury and,you know, a perfect example, as soon as you leave Queensbury and hit Lake George,there's one right there and it irritates me every time I see it because to me it's a distraction and it's just too bright. I feel you're 20 feet off the property line for Sleep Inn,which,you know,they do have hotel rooms and parking over there,you know, and the lights out. In the video I noticed,you know,the road. The road was quite a bit further away than Route 9. You're pretty much right on Route 9,not that far at all, and then I also looked around at the area around it,and it seemed like you were kind of further out,you know,there wasn't buildings that were encroached on either side. So I have no,you know,branding is branding,but if they, in my opinion,if they want to follow this branding,I'm not in favor of floor to ceiling height glass with all that lighting going on inside, and then at the end,you know,you get the green light that says all right now you're off the track,which is a good thing because I know a lot of people try to jump it and then they end up doing whatever they do. I've seen it all. I know about the carwashes. So I'm not trying to discourage the carwash. It's just that that particular, with all that glass and the lights going inside, I feel it a major distraction and I don't think it's fair for the surrounding neighbors to have to see the light show all the time. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-In your opinion would there be a compromise of part glazing and then part of the solid maybe based or something to the building? MR. MAGOWAN-Well you say that the lights are above,you know, are up higher,but they're below the ceiling and your glass goes right up to the ceiling edge. So even the lights that are up above that are blinking and flashing and telling you the different stations that are in,you're going to see them, all right, through the glass. So I understand and furthermore on this branding and all that, who's going to wash those windows all the time? That, I mean I looked at, you know, because that film and the dirt and everything and I mean those washing tumblers,you know, spit out, I know, I've had to walk past them. Soto me I would definitely like to tone it down where it's not as bright. I'm just,you know,like afraid if we don't address it and it becomes a problem,what do we do? So,to me I see it being a problem and I have more first hand, probably than anybody on the Board, of being in a newer carwash with all those lights, and especially the one on Quaker Road where you have a couple of windows over there,but you're next door to a body shop which has really no windows in it and it's a garage,but here we have a hotel/motel and two major lights. MR. TRAVER-So you would want to see the opaque sides like the one on Quaker? MR. MAGOWAN-I would like to,yes. MR.TRAVER-Dimming the lights is probably not going to be a viable solution for the carwash,but simply making the sides solid would seem to me. I mean I know they don't want to do that because of this branding thing, but it would seem to me that that is an easier solution than changing all the lights and everything,making them a different power level. MR. MAGOWAN-Well no, yes, you need the lighting for the experience and the colors. That's what attracts the people. On the outside,if you,you know,you could make it the opaque and then you could get the graphics to put on it so it looks like the inside of the carwash as cars coming through,you know. MR. TRAVER-All though if it was opaque and it wasn't illuminated at night you really wouldn't see the graphics,either,but that would be up to them obviously,but I just,I watched that video a couple of times and my concerns are still valid from what I saw last time. MR. TRAVER-So bottom line is you wouldn't support the project as proposed. MR. MAGOWAN-Not with the glass. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. DEEB-Can I chime in? I'd like to chime in if I could. Give my opinion. MR. TRAVER-Yes,please. MR. DEEB-I think one of the things we're not considering, first off we can't tell them how to build their buildings. They do what they want with their buildings. The second thing we're not considering is that that's a commercial zone. There's a lot of lighting all around there. Now I know there's a hotel next to it 4 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) but they close at eight o'clock. There's no lights after eight o'clock. So that should not be an impediment as far as lights go. The second thing is, I watched that video very closely. Those lights were not that obtrusive that I could see, and if you look at it, you enter from the west and from the east side of the building,and when you go through that carwash,those lights are all facing the east side,not toward Route 9. So I don't think that you're going to see that much of the lighting going outside the building. It's going to go back toward the east side of the entrance of the building,and I don't think it would intrude too much outside of the building, and I think that's something we've really got to look at is the positioning of the lights. If the building were going the other way,if you entered from the west side,that would be a different story. All those lights would be facing Route 9. MR. TRAVER-Or if it was parallel. MR. DEEB-Or if it was parallel to it,but it's not. It's going,you enter from the east and you exit from the west and those lights all face to the east. I don't see them as obtrusive and I don't see that as being an obstacle to this project. MR. TRAVER-Other comments,questions? MR. STARK-I agree with Dave as well. I don't think that the Planning Board should be in the business, we can't really tell them how to build their buildings. I also watched the video pretty closely. I don't think the lights are going to be that big of a distraction and I also don't see it being a huge nuisance to folks at the Sleep Inn because of the way the Sleep Inn is situated and other neighbors around there,I don't think it would bother them either. So I'd be in favor of it. MR. DEEB-You're talking hours eight to eight. Is that correct? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Yes. MR. DEEB-Eight to eight. So after eight o'clock in the evening it's done. Lights are off and you're talking the summertime you'd never see the lights in the daytime. MR. TRAVER-And it would still be daylight at eight o'clock at night in the summer. Okay. Well let's poll the Board. How do we feel? As the project is in front of us,could you support it? Fritz? MR. STEFANZICK-I have another comment,not related to lighting,if we could switch. MR. TRAVER-Yes. Go ahead. MR. STEFANZIK-It does seem to be a bit unusual to me that the carwash is so close to not only the hotel but you have the j ewelry store there,and you look at other carwashes,even though it's designated correctly for the zone, most of the carwashes are somewhat separate, isolated. They're spaced. There's not too many buildings directly next to them. I think to me it's a little bit unusual,but what I also see is that,you know,this is going to be a very highly transactional business. You're going to have cars coming and going. It's going to be probably one of the higher transactional businesses on that road, and it's going to be significantly more than what's been there for the last couple of years. So I just look at that and I say to myself with all of that transaction, different transaction,that's got to have some impact on the traffic and on the congestion in that area. You think that's going to be nature that that happens. So I was just kind of concerned about how much do we know about all the traffic and all of that. So we have a queue of like 22 cars that go into the carwash. If the demand is higher than that queue which I think you can kind of believe you're going to have more demand than 22 cars because you've seen it in other carwashes, what's going to happen to those other cars? Are they going to just bypass or are they going to try to squeeze in. I'd hate to see a couple of cars trying to hug Route 9 with their blinkers on trying to get into the carwash. I go past that road a dozen times a week and I've seen cars backed up at Mr. B's. I've seen cars backed up at McDonald's,especially like when you're trying to pull into the other lane,the turn off lane. People are backing up there. So it just seems like there's a lot of traffic in that area,and I think with more,you know, with this transactional type of business there's a lot that could happen in this area. I'm just questioning about how much do we know about all of the traffic,I mean,you know,what are the potential risks of that traffic backing up? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-From a traffic standpoint,just strictly looking industry standards from the ITE Manual from what's there now,you know,higher turnover,sit down restaurant to a carwash itself,based on the size of the restaurant,they actually project more traffic for the restaurant than the carwash. When they open there might be that initial excitement, and I know it's hard to compare Queensbury to South Glens Falls,but I did just go to that location at rush hour,and there wasn't aline. I don't know if they had a rush when they first moved in,but I did observe that at that one that's there and open and operating. I do think we're at an advantage being at the traffic signal. It gives people the chance to see what's going on before they turn in. You also have that interior kind of road across the front, and on a few other Tidal Waves we've worked on with them we've had around that 22 to 25 queue. So that's what seems to work for them. 5 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. STEFANZIK-If the demand is higher than the queue, are people able to go into that shared road? If they see at the light, I can't get in there. Let me go into the shared road of the,where the jewelry store is toward the hotel,can they go in there and then kind of sneak their way into there? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-So they would be able to turn onto the road,but they wouldn't be able to sneak into the Tidal Wave in any way, and we're closing that rear cross connection so that'll remain set as well. MR.STEFANZIK-All right,but in the front you could still exit on that shared driveway and go to the hotel and cut around the back of that hotel. MR. MAGOWAN-That's getting cut off. MR. STEFANZIK-Well it's cut off in the back of. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-You could circulate the hotel. MR. STEFANZIK-Yes,right. It's cut off in the back of the carwash,from what I understand. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Yes. MR. STEFANZIK-But in the front you can still exit and then decide, if you want to miss that light on Sweet Road,you can go around that hotel to go onto Sweet instead of going up,and are the owners of that hotel aware of that and are they okay with people may be going around that hotel? MRS. MOORE-So we require folks to have a 20 foot interconnect. So in this case they have both sides with the 20 foot interconnects so that there isn't that, so there's an inner roadway system that allows patrons of any operation,any of those three businesses,to intersect to any one of them,as well as to leave. MR.STEFANZIK-Can that intersect still be blocked off if you have more come in than what's in the queue? So I'm just questioning if the queue is backing,if the traffic is backing up enough,are people able to go into that shared driveway and wait there,which essentially is blocking that shared driveway now,that shared roadway. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-I suppose you couldn't stop someone from sitting there and waiting to turn in. MR. STEFANZIK-The other question I have is, so you have cars coming out of the carwash, and they can either go up, or they can go into the vacuum stalls. You have 22 vacuum stalls which to me seems like a lot of vacuum stalls. Say for instance the majority of those vacuum stalls were being used and then you've got cars that are getting out of the carwash and for some reason everybody know decides to exit at the same time. Is there like an exit here? You have an entrance to the carwash,but is there an exit queue at that light? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-There is. MR. STEFANZIK-And what is that,because I didn't see that anywhere. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-So there's two ways out of that vacuum area and one is further back into the site. MR. STEFANZIK-Right. MS. MLODZ IANOWSKI-That would allow that queue up to the three way stop before the light. MR. STEFANZIK-So then you have that queue,you have cars backing up, and now you have that light, and I was there the other day. I know it sounds like I don't have a life,but I was watching that light. That light is pretty quick, and so now you have people coming out of Wal-Mart. You have two exits coming out of Wal-Mart and you have this one exit coming out of the carwash, there's going to be a battle for people to get out to the street,and then you have the bus stop that's there. You've got passengers that are trying to cross. It just seems like to me that there's a lot of activity,a lot of dynamics that are going on in that area and I'm just wondering if all of that has been studied and we know exactly,you know,what are the risks, at the worst possible moment,because I think, you know, one of the Board members said last week it would be a disaster if,you know, some of this traffic, some of this queue started going into Route 9, similar to what I see at McDonald's and other places. I'm just questioning if there's a study that's got this all documented. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-And we're going to review all this and get final blessing from DOT so we would be okay with that as a condition,since it's not completed at this point. 6 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR.MAGOWAN-I believe that light is a trip sensored light. So as long as the cars are moving through it, it will stay green longer. I've been at that light so many times. So sometimes it seems like you're there for half a day and there's other times you're daydreaming and it's like people are beeping behind you because the light changed. So that's a trip sensor. MR. TRAVER-A light of them are changing to the smart lights,too. MR. DEEB-And don't forget last week we talked about,Brad mentioned,too,was the,there's going to be three car washes. You've got Hoffman's. You've got Tidal Wave down on Quaker Road and then you're going to have this one. That should dilute some,that should spread the business out and not keep one of them,right now,Hoffman is the only one that's open. So obviously they're going to be extremely busy. I think if you have a choice of three to go to,if it's busy,you'll go to another, I mean I would go to another. I wouldn't wait in line. MR. STEFANZIK-I would think that anything west of Bay is going to be fair game for going to this carwash. When we looked at the other project for Taco Bell and Garden Time,you know,there was a very comprehensive traffic study that was performed and it took into account traffic,lights,how cars interact between the Taco Bell and the Garden world or Binley's nursery. That was nice to have that detailed report,and it,to me,would be nice to understand the risks and what's the worst case scenario,you know, with traffic. MR. TRAVER-A traffic study really wouldn't address risks per say, but it certainly would address the volume and so on. So you would want a full traffic report. MR.STEFANZIK-I mean for consistency what we've done on other projects and like I said,you know,this is a highly transactional business in a pretty busy area and you've got the holidays. You've got Wal-Mart. You've got all these new stores opening up behind Monty's. Right on the corner there we're building the Urgent Care. There's just a lot of dynamics. MR. TRAVER-Yes,it's true. Okay. MR.DEEB-Look at the fast food places. You go up and order from them. You're usually there a lot longer. These cars at the carwash are continually moving. You go to a fast food restaurant,you put your order in and then you've got to wait. It takes a longer time for these cars to clear,and I think that's one reason why they get backed up on Route 9. Here, I mean I go to carwashes quite a bit,but I've always noticed that they continue to move extremely fast. It's amazing how quick they get through. So I don't know if you'd have the same problem as you would at the fast food restaurants and with three of the carwashes being built now, we don't know what Hoffman's is going to do later on. You could actually have four in that area. MR. TRAVER-So what is your feeling about requiring a traffic study? MR. DEEB-I mean I'm neutral. MR. TRAVER-Neutral. That's different. MR. DEEB-I'm not sure it's required,but it would be nice to have. I'm not sure we need it. MR. MAGOWAN-On the traffic,you know,the queuing,like you said,it's a constant move. Now if you want to compare it to Mr.B's and McDonald's,all right,the big difference is I'm hungry,I have to eat now, or I've got to get the car washed. So it's a little busy,I'll come back to the car wash in a little bit,or I'll go to another one. Plus you have cars coming in. So when they come into the vacuum station, all right,not every car does it,but if eventually you fill up 22 but they're all coming in at different times,and unless they all vacuum the same and one's quicker than the other, sometimes you might,you know, one does a quick vacuum and the other one might be finishing up. Chances are 22 cars leaving all at the same time,I don't see that. So for the traffic study I like the light. The lights are a good idea. You really brought up some good points. You have,you know, Monty's stores coming on,but most of them are going to be using the light at Wal-Mart because of the back of the store was really set up for deliveries wasn't it? There are no entrances there,but he did do a little bump out for the roof. MR. STEFANZIK-Which means more cars are going to be coming through Wal-Mart,if you've got those stores. MR. MAGOWAN-Right. Yes,his parking is pretty much in the front of his stores,but I also want to go back to the comment,I kind of disagree with my members that feel we don't have the choice to tell people what they can do to design or not. This is why we're in site plan review. It's not just for the land,and I'm not saying you have to change your design or anything else,but,you know, floor to ceiling windows and lights and I'm sorry, I don't care if they're pointed in or they're all pointed up on a dead wall, I turn these lights off and on and go outside, I'm going to see the light outside going off and on. So, I mean, this is a 7 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) concern that if it's not really seen now, and it becomes an issue down the road,what do we do? Because we have been there before when I've asked for,you know,agreements and maintenance. We can't do that, and now we have issues because we can't do that,but for this. MR. TRAVER-Site lighting is certainly something in our purview. MR. MAGOWAN-Right, and it's usually outside that we have to worry about. We never really worry about the inside. MR. TRAVER-Well,with glass walls,this is outside. MR. MAGOWAN-Thank you. That's the point I want to make. It doesn't matter what's inside,you're going to see it. On top of that you have all the white LED's, all right. So you have the LED's up on the ceilings. You have,you know,what walls are in there around the sitting area and that,you know,are going to be the white fiberglass walls. So it just reflects light. So it's going to spill out. So to sit there and say, A well I don't think so. I disagree with it. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. DEEB-And that's your prerogative. MR. MAGOWAN-It is. MR. TRAVER-Mike,what do you think? MR.DIXON-Well I'm listening to both sides,and everybody's making some very good points here. I guess where I would be leaning towards, Brad makes a very good point as far as the lighting goes. I think that there could be some opportunities to improve it. Again we're not going to tell you your design,put you had suggested either bringing the brick work up,minimizing the windows. Maybe you could do some tinting of the windows as well,but,yes,I think long term,once it's in,it's in. There is no going back to it. MR. TRAVER-Yes,that's right. MR. DIXON-As far as the traffic goes,it's a concern, and I think that whole corridor,no matter what we put in anywhere along there traffic's always going to be a concern. I don't view it as a significant concern that would impact SEQR,but I'm not sure if Board members are also feeling the lighting issue may impact SEQR. So knowing that one can impact the other, I guess I would maybe poll the Board to see if maybe some updated plans,comeback to us? I know you'd like to get started on things,and we'd like to see that, too,but we'd like to see it done correctly. MR. TRAVER-We would want to give them some guidance as to what changes they would need to come back with. That's the main thing. MR. DIXON-Yes, and my suggestion on that would be on the windowed side I guess I would look for a reduction in the windows and possibly tinted. So I'm going to even say instead of having all windows, break it up. I get it. I know you want to create that desire where people are attracted to it,and we don't want you to lose that either,but I think there could be a compromise somewhere in there. MR. TRAVER-Brady,what do you think? First with regards to the lighting. MR. STARK-Yes,I stated earlier I think I'm comfortable with the lighting the way the project is now. MR. TRAVER-The way it's proposed. MR. STARK-Correct. MR. TRAVER-Okay, and what about,do you feel the need for a traffic study? MR. STARK-I do not feel the need for the traffic study since it's tied in right there with the light. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. STARK-And,you know,you have the other car washes to kind of offset this. MR. TRAVER-Understood. Nathan,what do you think? MR. ETU-I think I would just be interested to hear what people think about plantings on the north side of the building. S (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. TRAVER-Plantings? To impact the light again? MR. ETU-Yes. There's none proposed on the north side of the building. Even if there was three or four. MR. TRAVER-Well part of that is because this branding they're doing is,you know,having the opaque, so that you can see. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So like Michael you're basically saying do something to mitigate the lighting, and your suggestion would be mitigating plantings? What about a traffic study. Do you feel the need for that? MR. ETU-I think it would be helpful,but I also do want to see the project keep going. The applicant's agent made some good points about the restaurant potentially having more traffic than this. Who would certify the study? Would it be certified by DOT. If we required a traffic study,since we're taking the word of the applicant and the numbers they give to us. MR. TRAVER-No. Typically what happens is you're provided a report by a firm that does traffic studies. MRS. MOORE-And then we would refer that to the Town Engineer. MR. ETU-Do we have a sense of how long that takes? MRS. MOORE-It's standard turnaround time. The applicant has already, it's their second update in reference to information such as stormwater so I don't know what the turnaround time is for a traffic study for the applicant to provide that to us to refer to that to the Town Engineer. MR. TRAVER-Well I'm not hearing a majority of Board members currently feel that require to be in place for a traffic study,but I am hearing a majority who have an issue with the lighting as it exists,as we spoke last week. So I mean I guess I would ask again. Is there any way that you can persuade the,or change the design so that it's not all glass? MS.MLODZIANOWSKI-May I ask a question? Is the concern of the lighting all the time or only at night? Just so I can understand what we need to do. MR. TRAVER-My feeling is that it's really an issue at night. Because that's when it really shows. MR. MAGOWAN-It's a bigger issue at night. But even during the day. Go up to Lake George. Look at that neon light during the day. Not that it's going to be that bright,but. MR. ETU-It's subjective,I think. From a lot of our points of view it might be obnoxious and I think that from the applicant's point of view it's meant to attract customers. It's interesting the difference. MR. DEEB-I think the nighttime would probably be the worst. I mean obviously you're going to see it. It's going to be bright. MR. MAGOWAN-And I really think even if you bring up the brick so far and the clear glass you're really not,you know. MR. TRAVER-It's still going to be an issue. MR. MAGOWAN-It's still going to spill out. MR. ETU-I don't mean to say obnoxious. I think maybe distracting. MR. MAGOWAN-That's a better word. MR. TRAVER-So it sounds as though, I mean we have a couple of options here, and, Laura, feel free to comment,but I would say if you want us to take a vote and act on the application tonight we can do that. Whether it would pass or not as it stands I don't know, or if you would prefer to be tabled and to have more discussion about making,blocking the sides for the lights. Or do you feel it has to be accepted or denied the way it is? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Based on the feedback we've heard tonight, we would like the opportunity to discuss this with Tidal Wave one more time, and our client,to see if there's anything else that we can do, now that we've heard this feedback. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. MAGOWAN-Now you said side. There's glass on both sides. 9 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. TRAVER-Well I think she knows. MR. MAGOWAN-All right. Well you said side. So,you know,I'm not just thinking of the north side. MR. TRAVER-Well there's the two sides of the tunnel. Right? MR. MAGOWAN-Right, but in the middle you have the, what do you call it, the sitting area. In the picture I saw it's more solid. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-In the middle on the south side. MR. TRAVER-But I think you understand what our concern is,it's that the interior,the lights interior to the device are going to be a problem shining out with clear glass. So if you want to have some time to discuss that and try to come up with something to mitigate that light or eliminate it,even better,and come back. I would support that. How do Board members feel? MR. MAGOWAN-I'd prefer it. MR. TRAVER-You'd be okay with tabling it again. So is that what you would prefer. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Yes. MR. TRAVER-I mean you would prefer that it would be approved,right? I understand that. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Absolutely,but. MR. TRAVER-But I am hearing a lot of concern. There may need to be some additional information you can provide with regards to traffic,too. Without doing a full blown traffic study. The main concerns,it seems to me,and we did have scheduled to do the State Environmental Quality Review Act tonight,which lighting and traffic are both potential components of that. So,yes, if you would like to be tabled. How much time do you think you would need? Or perhaps, Laura,what's the availability? MRS. MOORE-So I do potentially have availability in September for the second meeting. MR. TRAVER-The second meeting in September. MRS. MOORE-Or otherwise it would be moving into October. MS. MLODZ IANOWSKI-September would be enough time for us. MR. TRAVER-That would be August 26`h MRS. MOORE-September 26`h,yes. MR. TRAVER-Although we're already past the submission date. MRS. MOORE-Past the submission date. So you would have to come up with a submission timeframe. I don't know how long. MR. TRAVER-That would be just over a month before you would come back. It would be the second Planning Board meeting in September,and in between providing the updated information to Staff so they can distribute it and make sure we're all informed on what the new proposal is. Do you think you can do that? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Okay. All right. MR. DEE&Well,what's the submission date? MRS.MOORE-So I don't know if the would have August 31",or just after Labor Day would be September 6`h So it's time sensitive. I need to be able to advertise it if something is changed. MR. TRAVER-How about September 6`h. Would you be able to provide the update by then,to Staff,not to us. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Yes. MR. MAGOWAN-Or possibly August 31" 10 (Queensbury Planning Board 08/22/2023) MR. TRAVER-Yes,in other words September 6"would be the latest date. You could certainly submit it sooner than that,but just to give Staff an opportunity to review the material and distribute it and all those appropriate things. Okay. Very good. Well then the submission date would be September 6th RESOLUTION TABLING SP#56-2023 NEW POTATO CREEK HOLDING LLC Applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board: Applicant proposes demolition of an existing building in order to construct a 3,910 sq.ft.car wash facility and a 2,730 sq.ft.canopy for 22 onsite vacuums. The project includes additional accessory buildings: a pay kiosk structure and two vacuum service buildings of 154 sq. ft. each. The building colors will be the blues associated with the Tidal Wave brand. The project includes associated site work for stormwater management, utilities and site landscaping. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040, site work for new commercial use in the CI district shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN 56-2023 NEW POTATO CREEK HOLDING,LLC. Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption,seconded by Brad Magowan. Tabled until the September 26,2023 Planning Board meeting with updated information due by September 6,2023. Duly adopted this 22 d day of August 2023 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Stefanzick, Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ABSENT:Mr. Longacker MR. TRAVER-So we'll see you next month. Feel free and please stay inclose touch with Laura and Staff. MR. MAGOWAN-And again thank you. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Thankyou. MR. TRAVER-The next section of our agenda is Old Business. The first item is also Unapproved Development. This is Elizabeth Hogan,Site Plan 53-2023. OLD BUSINESS: (UNAPPROVED DEVELOPMENT) SITE PLAN NO.53-2023 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. ELIZABETH HOGAN. O WNER(S): SAME AS APPLICANT. ZONING: WR. LOCATION: 105 FITZGERALD ROAD. APPLICANT REQUESTS TO MAINTAIN A 42 SQ. FT. SAUNA BUILDING AN A 46 SQ. FT.LEAN-TO BUILDING BOTH WITHIN 50 FT.OF THE SHORELINE. THE SAUNA AND LEAN- TO WERE CONSTRUCTED AS AMENITIES TO THE LAKE. THE EXISTING 1,682 SQ.FT.HOME TO REMAIN UNCHANGED. THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND STEPS ARE ALSO TO REMAIN UNCHANGED. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 &z 179-6-065, SITE PLAN FOR NEW FLOOR AREA IN A CEA,AND HARD SURFACING WITHIN 50 FT. OF THE SHORELINE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: AV 20-2015,SUB 8-2008,AV 27-2023. WARREN CO.REFERRAL: N/A. SITE INFORMATION: CEA. LOT SIZE: 2.42 ACRES. TAX MAP NO.289.14-1-27.2. SECTION: 179-3-040,179-6-065. ELIZABETH HOGAN,PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Laura? MRS.MOORE-So this applicant requests to maintain a 42 square foot sauna building and a 46 square foot lean-to building within 50 feet of the shoreline. The applicant did receive the variance on August 16`h allowing the location of the sauna and the lean-to to remain. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Welcome back. MS. HOGAN-Good evening. Elizabeth Little Hogan. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So you went before the ZBA for the variances which were granted. MS. HOGAN-Correct. 11 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. TRAVER-So no changes to your plan from,no variation in your plan from what we saw previously. Correct? MS. HOGAN-Correct. MR. TRAVER-All right. So this is the sauna and the lean-to. We did look at this fairly thoroughly last week. I'll open it up for questions,comments from members of the Board. MS. HOGAN-Should I say what the Zoning Board said? MR. DEEB-I'd like to hear that. MS. HOGAN-So when I appeared in front of the Zoning Board,two of the members,Mr. Underwood and Mr. Kuhl,live on Glen Lake. So they're very familiar. Mr. Underwood canoes by every day. So he knew everything, and then two of the other members had come and visited the site and then the Board's conclusion was that it was a very minimus addition and they thought it looked good and they approved it. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Questions, comments from members of the Board? We have a draft resolution? I'm sorry. There is a public hearing on this application as well. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted to address the Planning Board on this application, Site Plan 53-2023? Are there any written comments,Laura? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. TRAVER-And now we will hear the motion. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#52-2023 ELIZABETH HOGAN The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board:Applicant requests to maintain a 42 sq. ft. sauna building and a 46 sq. ft.lean-to building both within 50 ft. of the shoreline. The sauna and lean- to were constructed as amenities to the lake. The existing 1,652 sq. ft. home to remain unchanged. The existing site conditions and steps are also to remain unchanged. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040 &179-6- 065,site plan for new floor area in a CEA and hard surfacing within 50 ft. of the shoreline shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; The Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals onS/15/2023; the ZBA approved the variance requests on S/16/2023; The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on S/22/2023 and continued the public hearing to S/22/2023 when it was closed, The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including S/22/2023; The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval, MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 53-2023 ELIZABETH HOGAN, Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption; Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions: 1) Waivers request granted:items g. site lighting,h. signage,j. stormwater, n traffic, o. commercial alterations/ construction details, p floor plans, q. soil logs, r. construction/demolition disposal s. snow removal; 2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired. 3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution. a) If application was referred to engineering,then engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; 12 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) b) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey,floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site improvements, c) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel; d) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work; e) Subsequent issuance of further permits,including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; f) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy; g) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible. Motion seconded by Brady Stark. Duly adopted this 22n'day of August 2023 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Dixon, Mr. Stefanzick,Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mr. Longacker MR. TRAVER-You are all set. MS. HOGAN-Thank you. MR. TRAVER-The next item on our agenda, also under Old Business, is Ibrahim Jamal, Cameron's Deli. This is Site Plan 54-2023. SITE PLAN NO. 54-2023 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. IBRAHIM JAMAL (CAMERON'S DELI). AGENT(S): BOHLER ENGINEERING. OWNER(S): QUEENSBURY AVENUE,LLC. ZONING: CM. LOCATION: 446 DIX AVENUE. APPLICANT PROPOSES A 1,818 SQ.FT. SINGLE STORY CONVENIENCE STORE ADDITION TO AN EXISTING 3,514 SQ.FT.DELI THAT WILL REMAIN WITH ACCESS TO EACH USE INTERNALLY. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS FOR CAMERON'S DELI AND CURRENTLY HAS A BASEMENT AND A GARAGE WITH A SECOND STORY. THE PROJECT INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION OF A 1,458 SQ. FT. GAS CANOPY WITH 6 FUELING STATIONS. THE SITE WORK INCLUDED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT,LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040, SITE PLAN FOR A NEW COMMERCIAL USE IN THE CM ZONE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SP 34-95, SP 60-2016, AV 31-2023. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: AUGUST 2023. LOT SIZE: 1.35 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 303.16-1-58. SECTION: 179-3-040. CARYN MLODZIANOWSKI&ETHAN HALL, REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Laura? MRS. MOORE-So this applicant proposes a 1,S1S square foot single story convenience store addition to the existing deli building. The project also includes a 1,45E square foot gas canopy with six fueling stations. The applicant did receive the variance in regards to the fueling canopy setback,and noting during their, they had a public comment that was concerned about noise during their meeting. So I said that I would pass that information along to this Board. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Good evening. MR. TRAVER-Welcome back. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Thank you. Long time no see. Caryn Mlodzianowski,Bohler Engineering, on behalf of Queensbury Avenue LLC. So picking back up where we left off last time,as you're aware,we're proposing a 1,530 plus or minus square foot convenience store addition to the existing Cameron's Deli at 446 Dix Avenue, as well as a fuel canopy with three pumps,six fueling stations, and additional parking as well for a total of 4S parking spaces with fuel islands. Somethings that we heard last week when we were here. We met with this Board and with the Zoning Board and as mentioned we did obtain our area variance for the front yard setback for the gas canopy, and as Laura mentioned the only public comment we heard was a letter concerning noise from music that's played at the current Deli and that has been relayed to the owner who said they're going to put a policy in place with their employees that will help alleviate the music. We would also like to offer, along the rear property, so we have some landscaping 13 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) proposed kind of staggered back along the rear lot line. Some of the neighbors have fences. Some don't. So it was mentioned that because there are those gaps in the fences and this property does not have a full fence. They do have one to enclose the trash area back in here. The owner is willing to install a six foot tall privacy fence along this area back here and they would keep the plantings on the fence on the property side and just push them forward to allow room for that fence,and I believe as we mentioned the remainder of this green space area is for the new expanded septic system that is proposed. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So a six foot high fence on the south property line? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Correct. MR. TRAVER-And then the plantings that were proposed would be there as well,would remain. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-That's correct. MR. TRAVER-All right. Questions,comments from members of the Board? MR. MAGOWAN-I would like to thank you on the fence. I think that's a great idea and really more for headlights. MR.HALL-And I think once the trees kind of grow I think that will help as well. MR. MAGOWAN-Or we can get like bigger ones to help them. MR. HALL-Well, we've got to be careful how big they get with them because that is right on the septic system. We don't want the roots to grow on the septic system. MR.MAGOWAN-But eventually they will as they get bigger. You designed one so that wouldn't happen. MR. DEEB-How about landscaping on Queensbury Avenue? What do you have planned? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Queensbury or Dix? MR. DEEB-The main road. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Dix Avenue. So we have some shrubs proposed around the entrance area and then green space. This area is a dry well. So it's a mix of grass and gravel,and then this side is a stormwater basin as well. MR.STEFANZICK-That's where the entrance is kind of to Queensbury. It would be nice to do something really nice along that road. The aesthetics along that road aren't the best. Something to consider. When you look at,you had a couple of pictures of Stewarts using that as an example for the canopy and stuff. You look at some of the Stewarts they have some nice landscaping along the main road. Just something to consider,the main entrance to Queensbury looking good would be nice to have. MR. HALL-Yes, I think that landscaped island just as you pull in will help that because there isn't that right now, and then in between the front of the store and the parking area is that landscaped island that's there as well. So I think that'll help. With putting anything at the exit right there kind of becomes a sight line issue. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. MAGOWAN-Well you have circles over there going out in front of the pumps. MR.HALL-Right. MR. MAGOWAN-Are those all shrubs and such? MR.HALL-Yes. MR. MAGOWAN-That's a sight line issue, aren't they? MR.HALL-Those are low. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Those are low. MR.HALL-It's not a high mountain thing. Those are all low. MR. MAGOWAN-And there's really not a whole lot in front of the existing store now. 14 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. TRAVER-No,there isn't. MR.HALL-No,there's really nothing in front of it. That's why they have the one that's there. MR. TRAVER-A lot of it's paved. MR.HALL-And adding that one island in out front above the new convenience store. MR. DIXON-Can you do any more on the existing property? At the very least in the northwest corner there. You just see the property right now from above, you see all this greenery. I think there is some grass. MR.HALL-We've got some stormwater and paving that's in front of the Deli now,and that all does run to the. MR. DIXON-But even on the side road. MR.HALL-Laura,I think that picture's taken in the winter,that is taken in the winter. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Yes,that's in the winter. MR. MAGOWAN-Yes,those are big snowbanks. MR.HALL-No,but I'm not seeing any foliage. That's why I'm asking. MR. MAGOWAN-What's the green and brown up there on that corner? Other side. Right there. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-That area is all proposed. So it meets the existing green space. The aerial is just faded. MR. MAGOWAN-I don't see it on my plan. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-So,but that's proposed grass area,with shrubs. MR. STEFANZIK-That's the entrance. That's one of the entrances. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-At the entrance. Correct. MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, well I'm looking at my plan here and it just shows it perpendicular or is it just wider? All right. I see it. Now that I see it. It's the same thing that I'm seeing but you just. I'm just concerned with those low shrubs right there on that corner. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Okay. MR.MAGOWAN-I just know that,and I was actually sitting across the street the other day at Hertz there and the cars,the traffic,people trying to cut through,it's brutal, and then all of a sudden I see this white flash, this white car went across Dix Avenue in a great,it's a pink light,you know,right in between red and yellow. I think it was more red. He must have been doing 60 miles an hour,and I'm like what? And my friend that owns that,he says the police come to him all the time with the accidents. So that's a very busy street. So if they're low,make sure they're low,low. Especially for someone like,who might drive a coupe or something. MR.HALL-I think that anybody coming out of that particular exit is going to be going east,knowing that, you know,if you're going to make a left,you're going to go out the other side to the light and make a left. There's not time to make a left coming out of there. So I think anybody coming out that driveway is going to be turning east to go that way. So I feel for you. I think the way they have that landscaped right now, it's relatively low. MR. MAGOWAN-I just want to make sure coupe-ers can see over it,too. MR. DEEB-Do you think maybe we should have just a right turn out of there only? MR. MAGOWAN-No,I don't think that's needed. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-No. We want to keep it full access. We can propose a groundcover that's even lower,too. 15 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR.DEEB-No,I was just referring to Ethan's comment here. Turning left there,you've got the light. You go out trying to go west,that can be tough. MR. HALL-That will figure itself out. People that use this on a regular basis are going to realize,I mean every time I go over there I know that when I'm headed back home I'm going to go to the light and go left. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. DEEB-I'm not quite sure about noise mitigation did you say? MR. HALL-So there are outdoor speakers that are at the facility, and there was a complaint from an adjoining property. MR. DEEB-All right. MR.HALL-So that's been taken care of. MR. TRAVER-So it's really not a sound complaint with regards to this proposed update to the property. It's a pre-existing issue. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Something that's happening now. MR. TRAVER-Other questions,comments? MR. DIXON-The property to the east. So you addressed the south border with all the properties. As far as fencing and everything on the east side of the property,I didn't see where there's a fence on here. Unless my eyes can't read it. MS. MLODZ IANOWSKI-There was not a fence proposed there either. So they're proposing to bring it along the back. We do have a drainage swale. So that neighbor to the east,they drain down towards us and then we drain down towards that stormwater in the front. So we capture that all in the swale that's in there. MR. DIXON-All right. So as far as a buffer with them, do you think that you can do something a little better either privacy fence,continue it on that side,plantings? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-I think if we have room for anything it would be a fence. MR.HALL-One of the issues I think that we would have there is that their driveway for that property is a little bit on this property. So if we wind up putting a fence down through there,it's going to hinder them getting in and out of their property. MR. DIXON-I guess you don't have to put the fence right on the property line then,do you? MR.HALL-To not interfere with the way they have this graded,I think it would be difficult to do. I mean it looks like their,it looks like on Drawing C401,the grading lines run right up to their structure. MR. DIXON-I'm comfortable, then. I think Cameron's Deli has been a good neighbor in that area and I would expect them to do the right thing with the other neighbors. Now last week I did ask as far as if you had any inkling as to if anybody has wells on the sites,just because they are older homes. Did you find out if there are or are not any wells? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-There is municipal water that's there. So any property within, well, I kind of went up and down behind,but any properties to the side or along the street are all on municipal water. MR. DIXON-Okay. I guess we can make an assumption,if there is a well, then it's probably being used for watering the yards. MR. MAGOWAN-Ethan,what's your plan for snow removal? Did I miss that? MR.HALL-So I think that the way it's set up right now it's all being pretty much pushed to the back where the snow storage is behind. MRS. MOORE-I think the site plans versus the presentation actually have snow removal on them. MR. MAGOWAN-What page? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Well,I can show you on C301. 16 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR.HALL-301. MR. MAGOWAN-C301? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Correct. MRS. MOORE-I don't think it's labeled on this sheet here. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-But we'll be able to push it to the front area and there's area in the back that we're not using for septic that we're just keeping for green area. MR.MAGOWAN-Where? All right. By pushing it forward,all right,that's going to,you're going to have the snowbanks from the road and then you're going to have snow from the parking lot, right, and that, well,if we ever get any snow again,in a major,where the snowbanks are pretty high,that's going to,you know,the vision, and then you said you've got the catch basin back there. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-So we've got this area back here that we've purposely not put the septic field. So we've got snow storage here. MR. MAGOWAN-So the septic's in that dotted square. MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-Correct. MR.MAG O WAN-Lower. All right. Now we have that,but you've got to remember now you have all this on the other side of the existing store which right now it all gets pushed down towards where the gas station is going to be. So you have it in front of the Deli,and it wraps around to Queensbury Avenue. So you've got all that snow. MR. TRAVER-Well if you had a major snow event it would probably be hauled away. Right? MR. MAGOWAN-No,that's not the point. We need a plan,but,you know,before you had all this land over here that you could put all your snow that came over from the Deli. Now you're taking that out, putting a store and the pumps and more macadam. So now all that snow over here has to go over and over there. So I just want the owner to be aware that if we do get a storm,you're going to have to remove it, you know,or eat up a few parking spots until it gets out of there. MR.HALL-We'll store it in a couple of the parking,we have more parking spaces than what are required. So we've got a few extra to play with and I think that they can pile it up. Once they get a chance to catch up and get it out. MR. MAGOWAN-I don't know,you know,it always gets a concern in the North Country here because I don't want to see it piled onto the septic area. That's not what we like to do, and you don't want to leave it in the parking lot too long because when it starts melting and then it freezes at night,then you get ice and we've got cars zipping around to get over to Queensbury Avenue. Just being concerned. MR. TRAVER-There is public hearing on this application as well. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted to address the Planning Board on Site Plan 54-2023? I'm not seeing any takers. Are there written comments,Laura? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then we'll close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. TRAVER-Other questions,comments from members of the Board? MR. DIXON-Mr. Chairman,I do have one. Just for clarification,the six foot privacy fence that's going to be included. Will that be a vinyl fence? MS. MLODZIANOWSKI-It will be solid. It will be vinyl or wood. They're looking to match the existing wood that's around the area. MR. DIXON-Are you willing to keep it all vinyl? It just seems to hold up a little better. MS. MLODZ IANOWSKI-They're okay with that. Yes. 17 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. DIXON-Okay. MR. TRAVER-Anything else from members of the Board? Are we comfortable moving forward on this? Whenever you're ready. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#54-2023 IBRAHIM JAMAL(CAMERON'S DELI) The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board:Applicant proposes a 1,S1S sq.ft. single story convenience store addition to an existing 3,514 sq. ft. deli that will remain with access to each use internally. The existing building is for Cameron's deli and currently has a basement and garage with a second story. The project includes construction of a 1,45E sq. ft. gas canopy with 6 fueling stations. The site work included stormwater management,lighting and landscaping.Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040,site plan for a new commercial use in the CM zone shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation; The Planning Board made a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals on S/15/2023; the ZBA approved the variance requests on S/16/2023; The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on S/22/2023 and continued the public hearing to S/22/2023,when it was closed, The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including S/22/2023; The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval, MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 54-2023 IBRAHIM JAMAL(CAMERON'S DELI;Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption. According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following: 1) Waivers requested granted: landscape buffer to install plantings & fencing along the south property line; 2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired. 3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution. a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff, b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the Wastewater Department for its review, approval,permitting and inspection; c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office; d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site improvements;- f) If required,the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town: a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES General Permit from Construction Activity"prior to the start of any site work. b. The project NOT(Notice of Termination)upon completion of the project; c. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff: i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan)when such a plan was prepared and approved; ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General Permit,or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project if required. g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel; h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work; 1S (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy. k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans 1) Applicant will add a six foot vinyl privacy fence on the south property line in addition to plantings noted on landscape plan. The fence will start from the southeast point of the property and travel west at approximately 175 feet plus or minus. Motion seconded by Brady Stark. Duly adopted this 22n'day of August 2023 by the following vote: MR. TRAVER-Any questions on the resolution? MRS. MOORE-So I have a comment, though. So I have, in reference to the fence, there's no length or anything like that. So it has to be recommended it have a length to it of some sort. So from the building itself to the property line it's approximately 176 feet, and that would take it from the edge of this building this way. MR. TRAVER-We have 176 feet. MRS. MOORE-And that fills that gap. MR. DEEB-Any more on the fence for the east side? You mentioned it. MR. TRAVER-Yes,I haven't heard any. Did you want to discuss that further? MR. DEEB-No. I think we're all set with that. MRS. MOORE-So I didn't,again,on the east side it sounded like they would be cooperative with either a fence or additional landscaping and if you look at the survey,it would probably anywhere from this way over,so as not to interfere with the individual's driveway. MR. DEEB-I just didn't know if you wanted to put it in the resolution or not. MRS. MOORE-Up to the Board. MR. MAGOWAN-I mean it would be nice to see some trees along there. MR. TRAVER-On the east side? MR. DEE&Well I think the applicant said fence. We're talking more about a fence. MRS. MOORE-Well they have a drainage swale. So I think they don't want to interfere with the swale. MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, drainage swale. Thanks for reminding me. MRS. MOORE-Yes. They're aware that there's the issue with the driveway and that's why. MR. DIXON-We can put in, it's going to be somewhat vague, but applicant to work with neighbor to improve privacy buffer. There's nothing binding there. MRS. MOORE-Yes,that's not enforceable. It's easier to say 176 foot fence. That's enforceable. MR. ETU-It looks like you can squeeze a fence in between the drainage swale and the driveway. MR. DIXON-So we want to add the other fence? MR. DEEB-No. MR. DIXON Just the south side. Correct. It's going to go from,actually,the southeast point to the west at 176 feet. MRS. MOORE-Plus or minus. MR. DIXON-Plus or minus. MR. MAGOWAN-The only question I see, if the shrubs become a problem, you know, height wise, in viewing,because there's been some other places that have been brought to my attention. 19 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. TRAVER-They'll have to maintain them. MR.MAGOWAN-Well what I'm saying is they've tried to move them and Queensbury says well you have to plant them and you can't plant them in another place. They have room to move. I just want to make sure that it's stated that I'm just concerned with the sight definitely off of this road. MR. DIXON-Do we want anything in the verbiage here? MR. TRAVER-I think that's part of normal maintenance actually. MR. DIXON-Okay. If we could amend this resolution,please, and Letter L will now read,Applicant will add a six foot vinyl privacy fence on the south property line in addition to plantings noted on landscape plan. The fence will start from the southeast point of the property and travel west at approximately 175 feet plus or minus. MR. MAGOWAN-On that fence, you say the southeast corner. How far is that going to come up to Queensbury Avenue? MR. TRAVER-It's parallel to Queensbury Avenue. MR. DIXON-It'll come 175 feet. MR.MAGOWAN-Well when you're going to pull out onto Queensbury Avenue and go left to right,you've got the cars that come up that hill there. So how far is that going to be off the road. MRS. MOORE-It's only going to the building. MR. MAGOWAN-Back to the building. Okay. All right. MR. TRAVER-176 feet. MR. MAGOWAN-Thank you. I missed that one. I've got a bad ear. AYES: Mr. Stefanzick,Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mr. Longacker MR. TRAVER-You're all set. Okay. Now we move onto New Business. The first item in New Business is also an Unapproved Development. This is Site Plan 52-2023. NEW BUSINESS—UNAPPROVED DEVELOPMENT: SITE PLAN NO.52-2023 SEQR TYPE: TYPE II. JUDITH DOOLEY. OWNER(S): JUDITH E. DOOLEY REVOCABLE TRUST. ZONING: WR. LOCATION: 2964 STATE ROUTE 9L. APPLICANT REQUESTS TO COMPLETE SHORELINE VEGETATION AND PATIO PROJECT. THE PROJECT INCLUDES REPLACEMENT OF AN EXISTING OVERGROWN STONE PATIO, REPAIR/REBUILD EXISTING STONE WALLS, AND IMPROVE STONE LANDING AND WALKWAY, PLANT NATIVE GROUND COVER ON SLOPE, AND CONVERT STONE STEPS INTO A RAIN GARDEN. THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES REMOVAL OF 240 SQ.FT.OF HARD SURFACING BY REMOVING THE EXISTING STEPS AND PATHWAY. THE NEW PLANTING PLAN AND PATIO AREA OF 250 SQ. FT. WILL INCLUDE A VARIETY OF ANNUALS, PERENNIALS, GRASSES, AND SHADE TOLERANT PLANTINGS. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-8-040,SITE PLAN OR HARD SURFACING WITHIN 50 FT.OF THE SHORELINE AND A RE- VEGETATION PLAN SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SP 69-2021, AV 73-2021. WARREN CO. REFERRAL: AUGUST 2023. SITE INFORMATION: APA, LGPC, CEA. LOT SIZE: .16 ACRE. TAX MAP NO. 239.20-1-8. SECTION: 179-8-040. JUDITH DOOLEY,PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Laura? MRS.MOORE-This applicant proposes to complete a shoreline vegetation and patio project. The project includes replacement of an existing overgrown stone patio, repair/rebuild existing stone walls, and improve stone landing and walkway,plant native ground cover on slope, and convert existing stone steps into a rain garden. The project includes removal of a 240 square foot hard surfacing including the steps 20 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) and pathway and replace it with a 250 square foot planting plan and patio area. Will include a variety of annuals,perennials,grasses and shade tolerant plantings. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening. MS. DOOLEY-Good evening. I'm Judith Dooley. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. So you wanted to update and improve the shoreline and who was the landscape person that worked for you? MS. DOOLEY-Mandy Spring. Todd Smith. MR. TRAVER-Okay. And they told you that no review or approval was needed? MS. DOOLEY-I would need a permit,yes. MR. TRAVER-Okay. The good news is I see from comments that the shoreline as revised and proposed does meet the criteria for shoreline buffering, which is something that we're quite concerned about. So thank you for that. Questions,comments from members of the Board? MR. DIXON-Can you just describe what you had there before? MS. DOOLEY-It was just grass and roots and rocks and apparently there's a patio that was underneath all of that. I mean I don't think that this has been maintained at all in decades. So it was kind of unusable to us. You couldn't put a chair there because it would tip over. You couldn't really walk over there because you didn't know what you were going to step on next. It was just a giant tripping hazard. MR. DIXON-So it's an existing patio. Is it a concrete patio? MS. DOOLEY-Underneath all of that. MR. DIXON-Did they take all that up? MS. DOOLEY-They took some of it up,as far as I know. MR. DIXON-Okay. MS. DOOLEY-Yes. They just wanted to make it level. So they kind of worked with what they had to work with there. MR. DIXON-What they took up they replaced with crushed stone and? MS. DOOLEY-We have crushed stone and then there are pavers on top of that. MR. DIXON-Okay. Thank you. MR. MAGOWAN-But you still have some of the old concrete slab underneath. MS. DOOLEY-Underneath there I would think so. Honestly I wasn't there when they were doing the work,but I'm sure that there's still chunks of concrete under there. MR. STEFANZIK-I took a walk through the property and it's a tough property in the back where it's very steep going down to the lake and in the pictures of what it used to look like to what it looks like now,you guys did a really nice job. MR. TRAVER-It's quite an improvement. MR. STEFANZIK-Quite an improvement. MS. DOOLEY-Yes. It truly is a beautiful improvement. I was saying that today,that crazy rain we had, not the most recent,but that crazy a couple of weeks ago, and I thought,nothing came down,because he did. He put all these plantings in and re-built this rickety wall. Not one bit of soil came down. I was very impressed. MR. STEFANZIK-So the last part of the project now, the stairs that are falling apart, that's going to become the rain garden. MS. DOOLEY-Correct. 21 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. STEFANZIK-And how are they going to take all that concrete or stairs,what is it,concrete or stone? MS. DOOLEY-Those are concrete. And I mean the way he did the work that he's done so far,he brought a barge in. MR. STEFANZIK-A barge. MS. DOOLEY-Because they can't go up and don't the hill. So they've brought stuff in and out by barge. MR. STEFANZIK-So that's what they're going to do. MS. DOOLEY-Yes. MR. TRAVER-There is a public hearing on this application as well. Is there anyone in the audience that wants to comment on Site Plan 52-2023? Written comments,Laura? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED MRS.MOO RE-There's one written comment. This is,"To Whom It May Concern: My name is Joe Didio. I reside year-round at 2966 State Route 9L, Lake George in Dunham Bay. I am writing in regards to the Ordinance Reference —179-3-040, application by Judith Dooley of 2964 State Route 9L, Lake George. I live year-round in the home directly to the south of the proposed project. We have no objection—in fact endorse the project proposed by Judith Dooley. The plan for the plantings,retaining walls and stone patio proposed should prove to remediate run-off and be much more permeable than the existing site. Respectfully,Joseph J. Didio 2966 State Route 9L Lake George,N.Y.12S45" MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Just the one written comment,Laura? MRS. MOORE-Yes. MR. TRAVER-All right. Then we will go ahead and close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. TRAVER-Are there further questions,comments from members of the Board? Okay. I guess we're ready for that motion. MR. MAGOWAN-I will say,Judith,your apology letter was nice, and I understand. MS. DOOLEY-You trust them. MR. MAGOWAN-So I would definitely tell your landscaper that from now on,you know,just tell them. It looks great. Thank you. MR. TRAVER-I guess now we're ready for the motion. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#52-2023 JUDITH DOOLEY The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board: Applicant requests to complete shoreline vegetation and patio project. The project includes replacement of an existing overgrown stone patio, repair/rebuild existing stone walls, and improve stone landing and walkway, plant native ground cover on slope, and convert stone steps into a rain garden. The project also includes removal of 240 sq. ft. of hard surfacing by removing the existing steps and pathway.The new planting plan and patio area of 250 sq. ft. will include a variety of annuals, perennials, grasses, and shade tolerant plantings. Pursuant to chapter 179-5-040, site plan for hard surfacing within 50 ft. of the shoreline and a re-vegetation plan shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation; The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on S/22/2023 and continued the public hearing to S/22/2023,when it was closed, The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including S/22/2023; 22 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval, MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 52-2023 JUDITH DOOLEY,- Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption. According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following: 1) Waivers requested granted:items g.site lighting,h.signage,j.stormwater,k.topography,n traffic, o. commercial alterations/ construction details, p floor plans, q. soil logs, r. construction/demolition disposal s. snow removal; 2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired. 3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution. a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff, b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the Wastewater Department for its review, approval,permitting and inspection; c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office; d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site improvements;- f) If required,the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town: a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES General Permit from Construction Activity"prior to the start of any site work. b. The project NOT(Notice of Termination)upon completion of the project; c. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff: i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan)when such a plan was prepared and approved; ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General Permit,or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project if required. g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel; h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work; i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy. k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plan. Motion seconded by Brady Stark. Duly adopted this 22n'day of August 2023 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan, Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Stefanzick,Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mr. Longacker MR. TRAVER-You are all set. MS. DOOLEY-Thank you so much. MR. TRAVER-The next item on our agenda, also under New Business, is George Drellos, Site Plan 55- 2023. NEW BUSINESS: SITE PLAN NO. 55-2023 SEQR TYPE: UNLISTED. GEORGE DRELLOS. AGENT(S): HUTCHINS ENGINEERING. OWNER(S): D&zG MANAGEMENT LLC. ZONING: CLI. LOCATION: 144 LUZERNE ROAD. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 4,500 SQ.FT. COMMERCIAL STORAGE BUILDING ON EXISTING PROPERTY WITH A 6,620 SQ. FT. BUILDING FOR A SEWER SERVICES BUILDING. THE PROJECT INCLUDES SITE WORK FOR STORMWATER AND ADDITIONAL GRAVEL FOR THE NEW BUILDING DRIVE AREA AND 23 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) PARKING. THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040, SITE PLAN FOR NEW COMMERCIAL STORAGE IN THE CLI ZONE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE: SP 61-1989,SUB 16-1990. WARREN CO.REFERRAL: N/A. LOT SIZE: 2.29 ACRES. TAX MAP NO. 3099-2-5. SECTION: 179-3-040. TOM HUTCHINS, REPRESENTING APPLICANT,PRESENT; GEORGE DRELLOS,PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Laura? MRS. MOORE-So this applicant proposes to construct a 4,500 square foot commercial storage building on an existing property with a 6,620 square foot building for a sewer services building. The project includes site work for stormwater and additional gravel for the new building drive area and parking. There are no changes to the existing building. The project does include removal of an existing fence so that the adjoining neighbor that has an L-shaped lot can get to their property towards the rear of the property. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening. MR.HUTCHINS-Good evening,Board. I'm Tom Hutchins,Hutchins Engineering,with owner/applicant George Drellos. George operates Sanitary Sewer Service on 144 Luzerne Road and they've kind of outgrown their current building and they wish to construct another building which would be located in alignment with the existing building. There'd be overhead doors,primary use for under cover storage of vehicles and equipment. It's a CLI zone. It's compliant with Zoning Ordinance and setbacks and such and unless you want to add anything,George,I'll turn it over to the Board for comments. MR. TRAVER-Well it's good to see another business expanding in Queensbury. So that's a good thing. So I didn't really have anything specific after looking at the application, but questions, comments from members of the Board? MR. DIXON-No, I thought this was fairly straightforward. Even with the SEQR resolution I didn't see anything that was a concern. MR. TRAVER-All right. Well if there's nothing on the site plan, we can go ahead and do the SEQR resolution. MRS. MOORE-Are you going to do the public hearing? MR. TRAVER-Yes. Thank you. There is a public hearing on this application. Is there anyone in the audience who wants to comment on this application? How about written comments? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED MRS. MOORE-There is one written comment. This is, "Normally I do not even bother commenting on these type of developments,but,due to the debacle on Luzerne Road across from Maine Avenue,I need to comment. I have no problems with this development as long as there is some type of agreement it will be completed and we don't just have frames of buildings standing for years. If there is no there is no type of agreement made that it will be completed, I am 1000/o against this project being done. David Kelly 22 Main Ave. Queensbury,NY 12SO4" I can offer a tad bit of information about that. The applicant is trying to sell other properties and then will proceed with this project. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Do you have a timeframe for completion of this as proposed? MR. DRELLOS-It's taking longer than I thought. So I don't know if I would start it this quick before winter. I might probably wait until spring. I'm not a winter person. I'd rather do the whole project when it's good weather. MR. TRAVER-So you wouldn't partially begin it and then finish it in the spring. You would wait. MR. DRELLOS-I would probably wait, because you've got to do the materials. You've got to hire a contractor. Dig,you know. I'd hate to wait until November and start this and have it be a winter project. I did a winter project before and I don't want to do it again. MR. DEEB-Do you have a timeframe on it,once you start? MR. DRELLOS-I don't think it would take that long. I'm thinking, I mean it's been a while since I built the other building,but what could it be,maybe a month and a half,two months? MR. DEEB-That's all? 24 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) MR. DRELLOS-It doesn't take long. They come in and they set everything up. MR. MAGOWAN-You're going to have your foundation,your slab,and it's a steel building. Right? MR. DRELLOS-It's a steel building. They insulate it. MR. MAGOWAN-That's what I would make sure what's the lead time on the steel building. You might want to get that in now because you might not get it until next spring. MR. DRELLOS-Well that's my whole point is getting all the materials ordered and then a contractor. They're all so busy right now, and I won't start this in October/November because I won't be out there in January trying to complete it. That's my guess. MR. TRAVER-We do also have a SEQR resolution to process on this application. Does anyone have an environmental impact concerns? MR. ETU-What's the primary use of the new building? Storage of vehicles? MR. DRELLOS-Storage of vehicles. Over time, when we built the first building, our trucks were small. Now,if you notice any of these trucks out,they're big. They hold 5,000 gallons. Our doors are 12 feet. I need 14 foot widths. When I built that one, I thought it was great. I wasn't thinking 40 years down the road with these big 5,000 gallon tanks that are out there. So that's one of the main concerns. I don't want to leave these trucks outside. MR. MAGOWAN-Not in the winter. MR. DRELLOS-No,not in the winter. MR. TRAVER-All right. Well,why don't we proceed with that SEQR resolution. MS. GAGLIARDI-Excuse me,Mr. Chairman,did you close the public hearing? MR. TRAVER-Yes, at least my notes have a check mark next to it. Even though they didn't have a check mark for opening. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEQR DEC. SP#55-2023 GEORGE DRELLOS The applicant proposes to construct a 4,500 sq.ft.commercial storage building on existing property with a 6,620 sq. ft. building for a sewer services building. The project includes site work for stormwater and additional gravel for the new building drive area and parking.There are no changes to the existing building. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040, site plan for new commercial storage in the CLI zone shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The proposed action considered by this Board is Unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury; No Federal or other agencies are involved; Part 1 of the Short EAF has been completed by the applicant; Upon review of the information recorded on this EAF, it is the conclusion of the Town of Queensbury Planning Board as lead agency that this project will result in no significant adverse impacts on the environment,and,therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be prepared. Accordingly,this negative declaration is issued. MOTION TO GRANT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR SITE PLAN 55-2023 GEORGE DRELLOS.Introduced by Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption. As per the resolution prepared by staff. 1. Part II of the Short EAF has been reviewed and completed by the Planning Board. 2. Part III of the Short EAF is not necessary because the Planning Board did not identify potentially moderate to large impacts. 25 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) Motion seconded by Brady Stark. Duly adopted this 22n'day of August 2023 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon, Mr. Stefanzick,Mr. Stark,Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mr. Longacker MR. TRAVER-And next we look at the Site Plan. MR. DIXON-And did we want a timeframe at all in there,or are we good as is? MR. TRAVER-No. He's already got a timeframe of a year. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#55-2023 GEORGE DRELLOS The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board:Applicant proposes to construct a 4,500 sq. ft. commercial storage building on existing property with a 6,620 sq. ft. building for a sewer services building. The project includes site work for stormwater and additional gravel for the new building drive area and parking. There are no changes to the existing building. Pursuant to chapter 179-3-040, site plan for new commercial storage in the CLI zone shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-OSO, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; The Planning Board has reviewed the potential environmental impacts of the project,pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and adopted a SEQRA Negative Declaration Determination of Non-Significance; The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on S/22/2023 and continued the public hearing to S/22/2023,when it was closed, The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including S/22/2023; The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval, MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 55-2023 GEORGE DRELLOS;Introducedby Michael Dixon who moved for its adoption. According to the draft resolution prepared by Staff with the following: 1) Waivers requested granted: ,1.landscaping; 2) The approval is valid for one (1) year from the date of approval. Applicant is responsible for requesting an extension of approval before the one (1)year time frame has expired. 3) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution. a) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff, b) If applicable, the Sanitary Sewer connection plan must be submitted to the Wastewater Department for its review, approval,permitting and inspection; c) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office; d) If application was referred to engineering then Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; e) Final approved plans should have dimensions and setbacks noted on the site plan/survey, floor plans and elevation for the existing rooms and proposed rooms in the building and site improvements;- f) If required,the applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town: a. The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current "NYSDEC SPDES General Permit from Construction Activity"prior to the start of any site work. b. The project NOT(Notice of Termination)upon completion of the project; c. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff: i. The approved final plans that have been stamped by the Town Zoning Administrator. These plans must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan)when such a plan was prepared and approved; ii. The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General Permit,or an individual SPDES permit issued for the project if required. 26 (Queensbury Planning Board OS/22/2023) g) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel; h) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work; i) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; j) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy. k) This resolution is to be placed in its entirety on the final plans Motion seconded by Brady Stark. Duly adopted this 22n'day of August 2023 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Etu,Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Stefanzick,Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mr. Longacker MR. TRAVER-You are all set. MR.HUTCHINS-Thankyou. MR. MAGOWAN-It's going to be a nice building, George. MR. DRELLOS-It will be nice. The other one's nice. I'm going to do the same thing. MR. TRAVER-Is there any other business before the Planning Board this evening? If not we'll entertain a motion to adjourn. MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF AUGUST 22ND 2023,Introduced by Brad Magowan who moved for its adoption,seconded by David Deeb: Duly adopted this 22nd day of August,2023,by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb,Mr. Dixon,Mr. Stefanzick, Mr. Stark,Mr. Magowan,Mr. Etu,Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mr. Longacker MR. TRAVER-We stand adjourned. Thanks,everybody. On motion meeting was adjourned. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Stephen Traver,Chairman 27