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REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING MTG#23
JUNE 3RD, 2013 RES#249-258
7:00 P.M. B.H. 10-12
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT
SUPERVISOR RONALD MONTESI
COUNCILMAN ANTHONY METIVIER
COUNCILMAN BRIAN CLEMENTS
COUNCILMAN JOHN STROUGH
COUNCILMAN TIM BREWER
PRESS
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PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN JOHN STROUGH
1.0 RESOLUTION ENTERING QUEENSBURY BOARD OF HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO. 249, 2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.John Strough
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Anthony Metivier
RESOLVED,that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns and enters into the
Queensbury Board of Health.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2013, by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Metivier, Mr. Clements,Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer,Mr.Montesi
NOES: None
ABSENT:None
QUEENSBURY BOARD OF HEALTH
PUBLIC HEARING ON SEWAGE DISPOSAL VARIANCE APPLICATION OF JOHN AND
CATHY HODGKINS
PUBLICATION DATE: MAY 24, 2013
PRESENT AGENT,DENNIS MACELROY AND JOHN HODGKINS
MR.MACELROY, ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGNS-The property is at 41 Old Assembly Point Road, it
is a year round property. It is a property that has been in Cathy's family and John and Cathy have
recently acquired it from other family members and are undertaking some improvements to that. A part
of that involves the wastewater system, which currently is located to the south side of the property in
what is a separate parcel a twenty five foot right-a-way,which once was part of the original or this house
parcel,but no longer is and there are deeded rights. John and Cathy feel that it would be appropriate to
create a system that would be within its own parcel. As you can see from the plan that is a relatively
small lot we have looked at a variety of options really what it came down to is it would require acquisition
of a little bit more property to have an onsite system and in ground onsite system. When that really didn't
work out in discussions with neighboring properties the solution that is before you is a holding tank
option. For a two bedroom house Queensbury requires three thousand gallons of holding tank capacity,
which is in this case proposed as two fifteen hundred gallon tanks in series. There will be the typical,
sheet two goes into details right out of Queensbury's regulations for alarms systems for the holding tanks
themselves so that those occupants of the house will be given alarms or warnings of when tanks have
reached certain capacities.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-It also shuts the electricity off,right?
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MR.MACELROY-It shuts water. It is a standard application of a holding tank situation and that is what
the applicants feel is probably their last best solution to this.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Are you going to have covers that are able to be driven on?
MR.MACELROY-Correct as the tanks will be located within the driveway they will be heavy duty
tanks,traffic bearing tanks and cast irons frames and covers typical to what you would see in the road for
manholes.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-I was at the site today and evaluated everything and talked to the applicant
a little bit back there. From everything I can see this is what is being proposed with the holding tanks in
this given situation with these constraints is the most responsible and most reasonable way of solving the
situation.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Any more questions from the board?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
TIMOTHY COLLIER, 38 Old Assembly Point Road-One of the owners of the adjacent property arguably
the property most directly affected by the variance request. We appreciate the desire on the part of the
Hodgkins to upgrade their existing sewage system to improve their property that helps us all by having
improved property. However, it requires setback requirements to be dramatically changed and changes
them almost from a ten foot down to nothing it's a two foot setback. It is not clear to us why the
Hodgkin's are looking on the other side of their property where there is a whole bunch more room,but
we're looking at our side of the property. Regardless of the reasoning we would just like to voice our
opposition to this plan and required variances on several different grounds. The property line right now is
already being encroached by the building in fact we feel that parts of the building are actually on our
property. The tank for the sewage system right now is clearly underneath our ground somewhere we are
not clear where exactly that is,but it is there someplace. While the Hodgkin's themselves didn't build the
existing structures we have no quarrels with them on that we think that the adding of a holding tank into a
point that is two feet off of our property line is just further encroaching on our property.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-When you are referring to your property isn't that a public right-a-way or a
right-a-way for the various homeowners in that area?
MR. COLLIER-It is our property there are two families,three families I believe that have right-a-ways
over that property. We own it,but there are easements and right-a-ways over that.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Including the Hodgkin's?
MR. COLLIER-No, sir not including the Hodgkin's.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Thank you.
MR. COLLIER-The other parties would be the Nolte's and the Shirvell's who are farther up away from
Old Assembly Point Road. The two feet setback that is being proposed we feel will unduly hampered us
should we decide to do anything. I'm not even sure what could be done with twenty five feet,but by
having structures so close to the property line if we wanted to do anything at all we would have difficulty
doing that we would rather you stay within the ten feet. We have along the property lines there our water
lines and our power lines we are afraid that those might be damaged when they tanks are put in.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Your contention is that the two holding tanks could be moved so they are ten
feet from your property line.
MR. COLLIER-I don't know that for a fact sir I am not an engineer so I don't know what is possible. I
know that what is being asked is that the ten foot setback be reduced to two feet we are objecting to that.
As you mentioned our access to Lake George is that twenty five foot pathway,which is owned by the
Collier's but the Shirvell's the Nolte's and the Dabrowski's have a right-a-way over that and everybody
has their docks at the end of that twenty five foot right-a-way.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Sir,may I ask you a question.
MR. COLLIER-You may.
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COUNCILMAN BREWER-You said something about it will affect your home. I don't understand how
it could affect your home if it is down here and your home is up in this.....
MR. COLLIER-Our home is about fifty feet away from the proposed site of the tanks. There are no
structures right now in that right-a-way. I guess what our contention is we are not sure what we would do
with twenty five feet and I am sure there is a whole lot you can do especially with ten foot setbacks that
would leave us five feet to build the narrowest structure known to man. If there are rules and regulations
in the Town Code that would at some point say,you cannot do X within so many feet of a particular
structure we feel that having the structures right on top of our property line unnecessarily inhibits us if we
just stayed with what the code said is the ten feet and not issue the variance we would be better off.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I understand what you are saying now.
COUNCILMAN METIVIER-I guess my argument to that though is,right now their system is on your
property.
MR. COLLIER-It is.
COUNCILMAN METIVIER-That would make it worse for you if you wanted to do something I guess I
don't understand why you wouldn't want to get that system off your property.
MR. COLLIER-We may. We were not aware of exactly where it is.
COUNCILMAN METIVIER-It is definitely on your property.
MR. COLLIER-Clearly it is on our property we are not clear where exactly that is and I am not sure the
engineers know exactly where that is. There is an approximation that yes it is on our property and we
have known about it for years. We just haven't known what to do about it,but now we are talking about
doing something else that might be objectionable as well. Clearly we would likely have that tank
removed from where it is right now,but we don't want to have the septic system basically it is a septic
tank and a holding tank two feet off of the property line.
COUNCILMAN METIVIER-It's two holding tanks.
MR. COLLIER-Technically it is a septic tank and a holding tank tied together.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-It is going be a holding tank.
MR. COLLIER-Yes, sir.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-In terms of variances we do set codes and for a reason. We also have a
variance procedure for a reason. We take a look at the comprehensive nature of everything that comes
before us. Here they are asking a variance from the side property line where it is adjacent to a piece of
property that is really used you cannot build on it, it is way too narrow to build on. It is basically a
pedestrian a human access to the lake and to the docks and that is probably all it ever will be in the
foreseeable future. So when you are claiming that this is going to have some kind of a negative impact I
am finding it hard to convince and the last thing I want to do is cause somebody else injury. I just don't
see where this has a potential cause of harm to you I am just having trouble seeing that.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Being the devil's advocate could he move it back?
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-I am assuming two things. The plumbing is naturally there and two,the
driveway is a perfect way of getting the access to the truck there. I am assuming that,but again the
applicant will have the chance to respond to your concerns.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Let me ask him that when he comes back up?
MR. COLLIER-We have concerns about the tank being so close to the property line as well in case of
spills. We have had experiences with septic systems, float systems, and every once in a while not often,
but every once in a while something gets tangled up in the float the float doesn't work the float doesn't
give you the alarm that should be given and spillage occurs. That close to the property line and you've
said most of you have visited the site that is a fairly good slope going down towards the lake. If we have
an asphalt driveway on top of that tank with the manhole covers there,there is not going to be any
absorption of that in that driveway itself all of that is going to go on to the land going down to the lake.
We have concerns from a greater good perspective if you will that we might be unnecessarily
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jeopardizing things on the lake. Our concern is not necessarily the holding tank although the State of
New York has concerns with a holding tank and your own code has concerns with holding tanks you
don't allow them the State of New York doesn't allow them unless there is a variance. There is good
reason for that and the reason is these kinds of things happen you want the sewage to be dispersed as
rapidly as possible ideally you have leaching fields and things of that sort. Again, I am not an engineer I
don't play one on TV and I am not trying to pretend to be one here. A holding tank is something that
both your government and the State government have indicated is not really to their likening. It might be
the best possible solution on that side of the property,however,there is a whole other side of the property
where there might be other solutions including a holding tank. A holding tank is a concrete device that
has stuff coming in,but it has no outlet and we have a tank that has an outlet that is feeding into another
tank,which looks like to be from the plans I've seen looks like it is going to be a holding tank. So,we
have a septic tank feeding a holding tank it is all tied together as one unit,but the code doesn't make
reference to a holding tank system it just makes reference to a holding tank. So we have something that is
going to be put within two feet of our property line regardless of whether anyone thinks it might damage
us or you can't see where the damage might be is still within two feet of the property line. We have
environmental risks,we have the fact that this is right off of our bedroom if you have been there you
know it is going to be within thirty, forty feet of where we are. It is going to have to be pumped
frequently we would just object to you removing or granting I guess the variances requested we rather
stay with the ten feet. I'm done I guess if there are any questions I would be happy to answer them.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Thank you.
MR. COLLIER-Thank you.
JOHN SALVADOR, RESIDENT NORTH QUEENSBURY-I would like to point out as I have often
pointed out there is no such road as Old Assembly Point Road. If you check your highway inventory of
Town roads there is an Assembly Point Road,which this one is and a new Assembly Point Road. I have
brought this up to the Planning Board on previous occasions and Mr. Schonewolf who is a member of the
North Queensbury Fire Company assured everyone that the people in the fire company know where
people live and they don't have to worry about the road signs; so nothing has been done. I looked at the
plans a few weeks ago and I didn't see that the high seasonal groundwater was noted on the plan this is
important with regard to the subject of floatation. It looks like the excavation will go all of eight feet into
the ground without knowing where the high seasonal groundwater is you don't know if you have a
floatation problem. The manhole covers or whatever you call them that are going to be installed in the
driveway to allow for pump out I don't know how they are going to be sealed,but odors do emit from
those sort of covers it could be a concern when the wind is blowing in the right direction. I think
wherever this system is put in you should require that the old system be removed. The soils be
decontaminated if they want to use them again and the ground brought back to its original condition. As
far as the subject of the holding tank goes it is understood that a holding tank is not a system we allow
onsite septic systems a holding tank is not a system. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Just to answer a couple of the questions that Mr. Collier raised can the
holding tanks be moved ten feet so they are not under the driveway,but in front of the house is that an
alternative I am not requesting this I am just asking?
MR.MACELROY-Physically it seems like the tanks could shift in a line. One problem that is not noted
on the plan there is an underground power line that runs through that area outside of the driveway that
was one of the considerations it seemed to be a natural location to put them under the driveway,but
physically those tanks could run parallel to the front of the structure instead of stacked as they are they
could run parallel then you have a consideration of staying ten feet from the other property line that I
think can be achieved.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-You can turn those and achieve the ten foot setback from his line?
MR.MACELROY-I don't have a scale with me tonight,but it looks like it could be done you would stay
parallel to the house. Another reason why we stayed in that southerly part of the lot was the outlet the
current discharge from the house comes out the south side as the line indicates it is an easy access to the
tank location. Just a point of clarification they are both holding tanks it may be a septic tank structure that
is used because they are in series there is one tank that has an outlet that flows into the other tank that is
commonly done. Three thousand gallons of capacity in one tank would take a crane to set the tank where
as a fifteen hundred gallon tank a contractor with a reasonable size backhoe can set that or it can be set off
the delivery truck so that is typically what you would do is combined the capacities with smaller tanks.
That is why that was done that way they are both technically closed systems one flows into the other.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-And they will be water tight?
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MR.MACELROY-Yes.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Was it your plan to remove the old septic system?
MR.MACELROY-There is an indication on the plan here the existing system would be removed.
Typically what is done in those cases is that you would dig up the old tank may fill it or crush it,pump it
first of all and then fill it with soil or crush it in place. It may be an old metal tank,which is probably
deteriorated I don't know exactly what the tank condition is or material that would be part of the process,
yes.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Dennis would that be possible given that the septic system was on
somebody else's property?
MR.MACELROY-I don't want to get between owners,but our applicant indicates there are some deeded
rights for what occurs there.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-You mean the Hodgkins's have some deeded rights?
MR.MACERLOY-Correct.
MR. COLLIER-If you do go through the deeds you are going to find that piece of property has access to
all the homes over there by deed. There is also six feet on each side we have rights to walk on six feet.
Six of that twenty five feet on our side and the house on the other side has rights for six feet on their side
and all the people have rights to go down anyone that has access to the area can go through that although
he does own the property and there are a lot of other things that come up in the deed.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-For me Dennis if you could accomplish that by turning them and satisfy your
needs and your neighbors would it be a lot of work to do that?
MR.MACELROY-No, it is just a different placement they would be in the soil area.
COUCILMAN BREWER-Now they are not covered with asphalt.
MR.MACELROY-Correct. Mr. Collier made one argument that it is less permeable in that situation. I
would make the other argument that when the tanks are in the ground then the ground becomes less
permeable for storm water runoff.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I personally don't have a big problem with it either way.
MR.MACELROY-I think that the applicant is not objecting to a movement that would mitigate that
concern.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-How about Mr. Salvador's concern about the ground water level?
MR.MACELROY-Floatation can be a concern certainly if the ground water.....
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-So if you see ground water at four feet then you have to take the appropriate
measures to make sure it is secured.
MR.MACELROY-My own local knowledge or whatever in that area I am not concerned that there is a
high seasonal ground water that would cause a problem with floatation of those tanks. I would say this
and the applicant can hear me when you are pumping tanks there always should be thought of when you
are doing it anyway.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-I have seen areas where I am more concerned than this area this is a high
ground verses some...
MR.MACELROY-We are easily ten feet above the lake level here I don't know it to be a high seasonal
ground water situation in that area.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-How is the tank sealed for odors?
MR.MACELROY-As far as cast iron framing cover like that can have a gasket it covers so that it would
mitigate or lessen any odor situation from occurring.
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COUNCILMAN BREWER-And it is going to be covered.
MR.MACELROY-Being in the grass area perhaps now it won't necessitate using a cast iron cover you
could use a heavy duty plastic cover.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-That is what I have on my house. Every three years George comes and
drains my septic tank pumps it out it is buried,but I have a whole going to it and blocks around it and
plastic cover and I never smell anything. So,what are we going to do here? Do you want to just take the
holding tanks and move them over towards in front of the center of the house then?
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-And parallel. Dennis is this what you are planning on doing.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-It will change the application we can eliminate one variance right.
MR.MACELROY-I think a reconfiguration of those tanks would eliminate the need for V three.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Side line variance
MR.MACELROY-What is referred to as variance three that is the two foot to ten foot required two foot
proposed? If we eliminated that and placed the tank and run them parallel to the front of the house then
you would avoid that variance. You would still have the variance to the dwelling itself and you still have
the variance of the house sewer coming out the south side of the house and running out and then into the
tank along the front. Variance one,variance two, and variance four would still be in play.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I won't put words in your neighbors mouth,but I think it somewhat solves
the concerns he had for it being close to his property line. At least if you get ten feet John you are within
the regulations.
DEPUTY CLERK, O'BRIEN-I just want to make sure I get this correct in the resolution. You have
number one and number two you are eliminating number three and creating another three?
MR.MACELROY-No,number four.
DEPUTY CLERK, O'BRIEN-Where is number four I do not have a number four in the resolution there is
only three variances.
MR.MACELROY-On the plan there is a V4,which is the house sewer itself the pipe that comes out of
the house technically it is part of the system.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Dennis you are right. We are dealing with two different papers here she is
reading from the resolution and you are reading from yours,which there is four variances when you are
talking about the holding tank itself so you are both right.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-I don't have it on my paper.
COUNCILMAN METIVIER-The first one is the use of holding tanks.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-We are talking about two feet from the property line in lieu of the required
ten foot setback,which on the resolution is number two.
MR.MACELROY-Oh, okay.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-That is the variance that you are referring to in your plans it is the way you
presented it,but it is just a little different here so we are all on the same page.
DEPUTY CLERK O'BRIEN-So we are keeping two and eliminating three.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-No we are keeping one. Seven feet from the dwelling and lieu of the ten foot
setback number two on the resolution we are eliminating.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-That variance if they agree to rearrange it that variance is no longer needed
okay Dennis do you see what I am saying. Now the situation comes can we approve it today as amended
and agreed upon or do the plans have to be resubmitted for the next Town Board meeting.
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COUNCILMAN BREWER-I would say from past practice we could approve it we are not adding any
variances it was advertised for three we are just accommodating two.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-In the very plan Dennis that you just showed us is the plan that we are
going to ask you to submit to the building department, okay.
MR.MACELROY-The plan that we will modify.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Yes. I don't have a problem with that.
MR. COLLIER-Excuse me I have a problem I don't know what you are doing.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Here is what we did we know your concern about the septic tank being two
feet from your property line the holding tanks being two feet.
MR. COLLIER-We have a sewer outlet we have a whole bunch of stuff within two feet of our property
line.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-The sewer outlet is not two feet from your property line.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Yes it is.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-The sewer outlet is?
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-The sewer line from the house is two feet.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Your concern about spillage and over flow, which I have never heard of
one happening with these holding tanks,but I am not going to say it is impossible either then again we are
talking about a line that is underground here. The tanks the applicant is willing to move away from your
property line.
MR. COLLIER-I understand that.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-The variance they are still maintaining is that the line coming out of the
house will still require a variance,but it is a buried line going to the holding tank.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-The line coming out of the house is under the soil going to the tank is what
we are talking about.
MR.MACELROY-It will be below grade it comes out of the house just as it is now.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-I don't have a problem with that variance I didn't have a problem with the
other variance.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-Instead of the tanks being vertical or horizontal now so that they are pushed
back away from your property line so it accommodates your concern there. The line still coming out of
the house going to those tanks is going to remain the same position it is buried underground...
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Two feet from the property line.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-That will stay the same.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-The other will be the seven foot from the dwelling in lieu of the ten foot
setback?
MR.MACELROY-Correct.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-I am willing to make a motion hear me out.
DEPUTY CLERK,O'BRIEN-We should probably close the public hearing first if you are all done.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Are we all done with the public hearing. I'll need a resolution to close the
public hearing.
DEPUTY CLERK,O'BRIEN-No you can just close it.
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PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-I am making the resolution to approve the sanitary sewage disposal for John
and Cathy Hodgkin's in accord with the resolution one point one as put before us tonight with the
exception of we are not allowing the two foot from property line,number two,two foot property line in
lieu of the required ten foot setback. The applicant has agreed to move the tanks towards the center of the
current structure,which would eliminate the need for that variance.
COUNCILMAN BREWER-They have to resubmit the plan.
MR.MACELROY-When we make application to Dave Hatin's office.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-When you make application the plan will be submitted to be in accord with
the agreements tonight.
MR.MACELROY-Understood, agreed.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SANITARY SEWAGE DISPOSAL
VARIANCES FOR JOHN AND CATHY HODGKINS
RESOLUTION NO.: BOH 10,2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.John Strough
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Ronald Montesi
WHEREAS,John and Cathy Hodgkins(Applicants)filed an application for a variance from Town of
Queensbury On-Site Sewage Disposal Ordinance, Chapter 136, §136-11, which requires applicants to obtain
a variance for holding tanks, as the Applicants wish to replace an existing wastewater system with a new
holding tank system,and
WHEREAS, the Applicants have also applied for additional variances from Chapter 136 to allow
placement of such holding tank system:
1. 7' from the dwelling in lieu of the required 10' setback; and
2. 2' from the property line in lieu of the required 10' setback; and
3. house sewer line to be located 2' from the property line in lieu of the required 10' setback;
on property located at 41 Old Assembly Point Road in the Town of Queensbury,and
WHEREAS,the Town Clerk's Office published the Notice of Public Hearing in the Town's official
newspaper and the Local Board of Health conducted a public hearing concerning the variance requests on
Monday,June 3rd,2013,and
WHEREAS,the Town Clerk's Office has advised that it duly notified all property owners within 500
feet of the subject property,
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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED,that
1. due to the nature of the variances, it is felt that the variances would not be materially detrimental
to the purposes and objectives of this Ordinance or other adjoining properties nor otherwise
conflict with the purpose and objectives of any Town plan or policy; and
2. the Local Board of Health finds that the granting of the variances is necessary for the reasonable
use of the land and are the minimum variances which would alleviate the specific unnecessary
hardship found by the Local Board of Health to affect the Applicants;and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Local Board of Health hereby approves the application of John and Cathy
Hodgkins for variances from the Sewage Disposal Ordinance to allow installation of a new holding tank
system and allow placement of such system:
1. 7' from the dwelling in lieu of the required 10' setback;and
2. house sewer line to be located 2' from the property line in lieu of the required 10' setback;
in accordance with a reconfigured plan to be submitted by the applicant as was agreed to by and between the
Town Board and the applicants at this meeting, concerning the property located at 41 Old Assembly Point
Road in the Town of Queensbury bearing Tax Map No.: 239.12-24.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Clements,Mr. Strough,Mr. Brewer,Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING ON
SEWAGE DISPOSAL VARIANCE APPLICATION OF
JOHN CELESTE AND THOMAS VALENTINE
RESOLUTION NO.:BOH 11,2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.Anthony Metivier
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
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SECONDED BY: Mr.Brian Clements
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board serves as the Town's Local Board of Health and is
authorized by Town Code Chapter 136 to issues variances from the Town's On-Site Sewage Disposal
Ordinance,and
WHEREAS, John Celeste and Thomas Valentine have applied to the Local Board of Health for
variances from Chapter 136,§136-11,which requires applicants to obtain a variance for holding tanks and the
applicants have requested variances to allow a holding tank in lieu of a standard septic system/absorption
field and to allow a 2,500 gallon capacity holding tank in lieu of the required 4,000 gallon capacity holding
tank on property located at 83 Pilot Knob Road in the Town of Queensbury,
NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT
RESOLVED,that the Town of Queensbury Local Board of Health will hold a public hearing on June
17th, 2013 at 7:00 p.m. at the Queensbury Activities Center, 742 Bay Road, Queensbury, to consider John
Celeste and Thomas Valentine's sewage disposal variance application concerning property located at 83 Pilot
Knob Road in the Town of Queensbury and bearing Tax Map No.: 227.18-1-12 and at that time all interested
persons will be heard,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Local Board of Health authorizes and directs the Queensbury Town Clerk to
publish the Notice of Public Hearing presented at this meeting and send a copy of the Notice to neighbors
located within 500 feet of the property as required by law.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer,Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier,Mr.Clements
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING QUEENSBURY BOARD OF HEALTH
RESOLUTION NO.BOH 12,2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.Anthony Metivier
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Brian Clements
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RESOLVED,that the Queensbury Board of Health hereby adjourns and moves back into the Town Board of
the Town of Queensbury.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013 by the following vote:
AYES: Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier,Mr. Clements,Mr. Strough
NOES: None
ABSENT:Mr.Brewer
REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING
2.0 RESOLUTIONS
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ACCEPTANCE OF $1,000 DONATION
FROM COMMUNITY EXCHANGE FOUNDATION FOR TOWN
RECREATION DEPARTMENT'S Q-CLUB SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM
RESOLUTION NO.: 250,2013
INTRODUCED BY:Mr.Anthony Metivier
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Tim Brewer
WHEREAS, The Community Exchange Foundation has offered to donate $1000 to the Town of
Queensbury Recreation Department's 2013 Q-Club Summer Youth Program,and
WHEREAS,the Town Board is honored by this generous offer, feels that such donation will benefit
Town residents,and therefore wishes to authorize such donation,
NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT
RESOLVED,that the Queensbury Town Board hereby approves and accepts the donation of$1,000
from The Community Exchange Foundation for the Town Recreation Department's 2013 Q-Club Summer
Youth Program,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board authorizes and directs the Town Budget Officer to increase the
Recreation Programs Expense Account No.: 001-7110-4824 by$1,000 and the Gifts and Donations Revenue
Account No.: 001-0000-52705 by$1,000,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board authorizes and directs the Town's Director of Parks and
Recreation to send a certified copy of this Resolution to The Community Exchange Foundation with a letter
from the Town thanking The Foundation for its generosity.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES : Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier,Mr.Clements,Mr. Strough,Mr. Brewer
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
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RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ADVERTISEMENT OF BIDS FOR
PURCHASE OF MATERIALS FOR UNDERDRAIN REHABILITATION
FOR FILTER#2 AT TOWN WATER DEPARTMENT
RESOLUTION NO.: 251,2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Anthony Metivier
WHEREAS, the Town of Queensbury's Water Department Civil Engineer has requested that the
Town Board authorize an advertisement for bids for the purchase of materials for the underdrain
rehabilitation for Filter#2, including new cell dividers and porous plates, at the Town Water Department in
accordance with bid specifications on file with the Town's Purchasing Agent,and
WHEREAS, General Municipal Law §103 requires that the Town advertise for bids and award the
bids to the lowest responsible bidder(s)meeting New York State statutory requirements and the requirements
set forth in the Town's bidding documents,
NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT
RESOLVED,that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Town's Purchasing
Agent to publish an advertisement for bids for the purchase of materials for the underdrain rehabilitation for
Filter #2, including new cell dividers and porous plates, at the Town Water Department in the official
newspaper for the Town of Queensbury,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Purchasing Agent to open all
bids received,read the same aloud and record the bids as is customarily done and present the bids to the next
regular or special meeting of the Town Board.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES : Mr.Metivier,Mr.Clements,Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer,Mr.Montesi
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION SUPPORTING EXTENSION OF SIX FLAGS GREAT
ESCAPE RESORT PROPERTIES' EXISTING LIQUOR LICENSE AS
REQUIRED BY NEW YORK STATE LIQUOR AUTHORITY
RESOLUTION NO.: 252,2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.John Strough
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING 06-03-2013 MTG#23 127
SECONDED BY: Mr.Anthony Metivier
WHEREAS, Six Flags Great Escape Resort Properties (Six Flags) owns and operates The
Great Escape Theme Park and Great Escape Lodge on State Route 9 in the Town of Queensbury,
New York, and has a valid liquor license, and
WHEREAS, Six Flags has advised the Town Board that it will hold fireworks shows on Friday
and Saturday nights at the Great Escape from July 19th to August 10"'°2013 and during the time of the
show(s) and an hour preceding, it wishes to entertain its Lodge Guests in a secured location of the parking
lot at Johnny Rockets and serve beer and wine, therefore, requesting an extension to its existing liquor
license, and
WHEREAS, Six Flags has requested that the Town of Queensbury support such liquor license
extension as required by the New York State Liquor Authority(NYS),
NOW, THEREFORE,BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to
notify Six Flags Great Escape Resort Properties and/or the New York State Liquor Authority that the Town
supports Six Flags' extension to its existing liquor license from July 19th to August W, 2013 as set forth in
the preambles of this Resolution and that the Town Board has no objection to such license extension, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED,that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor, and/or Town
Clerk to take any actions necessary to effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013 by the following vote:
AYES :Mr.Clements,Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer,Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier
NOES None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TACKETT CHIROPRACTIC'S
"RUN FOR THE AGES" 5K RUN/WALK
RESOLUTION NO.253,2013
INTRODUCED BY:Mr.Anthony Metivier
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Tim Brewer
REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING 06-03-2013 MTG#23 128
WHEREAS, Tackett Chiropractic has requested permission to conduct its "Run for the Ages" 5k
Run/Walk to benefit Big Brothers Big Sisters of the Southern Adirondacks and the Glens Falls Senior Center
as follows:
SPONSOR: Tackett Chiropractic
EVENT: 5k Run/Walk
DATE: Saturday,June 15th,2013
TIME: Approximately 9:30 a.m.
PLACE: Beginning and ending at Homer Avenue (documentation
regarding location presented at this meeting);
NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby acknowledges receipt of proof of insurance
from Tackett Chiropractic to conduct its"Run for the Ages"5k Run/Walk within the Town of Queensbury as
set forth in the preambles of this Resolution,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board approves this event subject to approval by the Town Highway
Superintendent which approval may be revoked due to concern for road conditions at any time up to the date
and time of the event,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that this event shall also be subject to the approval of the Warren County
Superintendent of Public Works.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES : Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer,Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier,Mr. Clements
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION SETTING PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED
AMENDMENT TO EMERGENCY PROTECTION SERVICES
AGREEMENT BETWEEN TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND
BAY RIDGE RESCUE SQUAD, INC. FOR PURCHASE OF
NEW EMERGENCY VEHICLE
RESOLUTION NO.: 254,2013
REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING 06-03-2013 MTG#23 129
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.Anthony Metivier
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Brian Clements
WHEREAS, in accordance with Town Law §184, the Queensbury Town Board (Town) may
contract with ambulance services certified or registered in accordance with Public Health Law Article 30 for
general emergency ambulance service within the Town,and
WHEREAS, the Town and the Bay Ridge Rescue Squad, Inc. (Squad) have entered into an
Agreement for emergency protection services for 2012 through 2014, which Agreement sets forth a number
of terms and conditions including a condition that the Squad will not purchase or enter into any binding
contract to purchase any piece of apparatus, equipment, vehicles, real property, or make any improvements
that would require the Squad to acquire a loan or mortgage or use money placed in a"vehicles fund"without
prior approval of the Queensbury Town Board,and
WHEREAS,the Squad has advised the Town Board that it wishes to trade in its current 2001 Medtec
Unit#721 and use the anticipated$8,500 in proceeds toward the purchase of one(1)2013 Ford E-450 chassis
with a PL Medallion 170 style body(Emergency Vehicle) from Specialty Vehicle Sales Corp. (SVC) for the
adjusted purchase price of$144,297 as set forth in SVS' Agreement presented at this meeting, such purchase
already included in the scheduled Squad's five (5) year capital plan that forecasts future capital needs and
expenditures, including anticipated vehicles, equipment, tools, other apparatus, facilities or improvements to
facilities to be used for emergency protection services purposes, and
WHEREAS,the Squad plans on paying for the Emergency Vehicle as follows:
I. The Squad will trade in its 2001 Medtec Unit#721 ($8,500 value); and
2. The Town will provide $144,297 in funding to the Squad, such funding to come from the
Town's unappropriated,undesignated EMS Fund Balance; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board feels that this new Emergency Vehicle will provide additional,
improved emergency medical services for the Town,and
WHEREAS, since such $144,297 in additional expenses are not presently included in the Squad's
2012-2014 Agreement with the Town,the Town Board wishes to set a public hearing concerning the Squad's
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additional expenses related to its proposed Emergency Vehicle purchase and the coinciding amendment to the
Squad's Agreement,
NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board shall conduct a public hearing concerning the
proposed Amendment to the Agreement between the Town of Queensbury and the Bay Ridge Rescue Squad,
Inc.,regarding the inclusion of$144,297 in additional expenses related to the purchase of a new Emergency
Vehicle on Monday, June 17th, 2013 at 7:00 p.m. in the Queensbury Activities Center, 742 Bay Road,
Queensbury,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby authorizes and directs the Queensbury Town Clerk to
publish a Notice of Public Hearing in the Post-Star Newspaper once at least ten (10) days prior to the Public
Hearing.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES Mr.Brewer,Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier,Mr.Clements,Mr. Strough
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ARTHRITIS FOUNDATION OF
NORTHEASTERN NY'S "JINGLE BELL 5K RUN/WALK"
RESOLUTION NO.255,2013
INTRODUCED BY:Mr.Anthony Metivier
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Tim Brewer
WHEREAS, The Arthritis Foundation of Northeastern NY has requested permission to conduct its
"Jingle Bell 5k Run/Walk"as follows:
SPONSOR: The Arthritis Foundation of Northeastern NY
EVENT: Jingle Bell 5k Run/Walk
DATE: Saturday,July 13th,2013
TIME: Approximately 7:00 a.m.
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PLACE: Beginning at The Bavarian Palace and ending at Great
Escape Lodge and Indoor Water Park
(Letter regarding location of Run/Walk attached);
NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby acknowledges receipt of proof of insurance
from The Arthritis Foundation of Northeastern NY to conduct its Jingle Bell 5k Run/Walk within the Town
of Queensbury,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board approves this event subject to approval by the Town Highway
Superintendent which approval may be revoked due to concern for road conditions at any time up to the date
and time of the event,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that this event shall also be subject to the approval of the Warren County
Superintendent of Public Works.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES : Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier,Mr.Clements,Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION APPROVING AUDITS OF BILLS -
WARRANTS OF APRIL 22ND, 2013 AND JUNE 4TH, 2013
RESOLUTION NO.: 256,2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.John Strough
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Tim Brewer
WHEREAS, the Queensbury Town Board wishes to approve two (2) audits of bills presented as
Warrants with run dates of April 22"d, 2013 and May 3e, 2013 and payment dates of April 22"d, 2013 and
June 4`h,2013,
NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT
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RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby approves the Warrants with run dates of
April 22nd, 2013 and May 30d`, 2013 and payment dates of April 22nd, 2013 and June 4d', 2013 totaling
$277,329.24 and$602,858.20,respectively, and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED,that the Town Board further authorizes and directs the Town Supervisor and/or Town
Budget Officer to take such other and further action as may be necessary to effectuate the terms of this
Resolution.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES : Mr.Metivier,Mr. Clements,Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer,Mr.Montesi
NOES : None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION ADDING KENMORE DRIVE TO LIST OF
TOWN PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS AND ROAD NAMES
RESOLUTION NO.: 257, 2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr.Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.Ronald Montesi
WHEREAS, by Resolution No. 434.95, the Queensbury Town Board adopted a list of names for
private driveways and roads in the Town in connection with the 911 addressing system,and
WHEREAS, the Town Board wishes to add"Kenmore Drive," a private roadway/driveway located
off of John Clendon Road,to the Town's list of private driveways and road names,
NOW,THEREFORE,BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Queensbury Town Board hereby adds "Kenmore Drive" to the Town of
Queensbury's list of private driveways and roads,and
BE IT FURTHER,
RESOLVED, that the Town Board authorizes and directs the Town Clerk, Town Highway
Superintendent and/or Director of Building and Codes Enforcement to take any actions necessary to
effectuate the terms of this Resolution.
REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING 06-03-2013 MTG#23 133
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June,2013,by the following vote:
AYES Mr.Clements,Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer,Mr.Montesi,Mr.Metivier
NOES :None
ABSENT:None
COUNCILMAN METIVIER LEFT MEETING 7:45 P.M.
3.0 PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
JOHN SALVADOR-Spoke to the board regarding his concern with the Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting
held on May 22,2013 regarding a variance request to the Town on the Towns most recently adopted Chapter
147, Stormwater Management in particular Section 147-11 noted it was approved by a four to three vote. The
project being a three thousand one hundred and seventy one square foot residential dwelling in a two acre
waterfront zoning district on a one third acre nonconforming lot in the Lake George Park Commission
designated critical environmental area in close proximity to wetlands believes the Town has an illegal code in
place. Read into the record the new Chapter 147-1 IH-5 adopted by the Town regarding no variances shall be
granted by the Town of Queensbury until first providing notice to the commission a minimum of ten days in
advance the commission shall be a part of the proceedings noting the commission was not involved in the
approval of the variance on May 22,2013.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-Asked if Mr. Salvador is saying that one of the fail safe systems that we do not
have is who is supposed to notify the commission?
MR. SALVADOR-Yes.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI-That is a good point I don't have an answer for you,but I will.
DOUG AUER, 16 OAKWOOD DRIVE-Spoke to the board regarding his concern with the project Fowler
Square explained the history of how the sewer district was created and the zoning change to the code ask the
board to do the right thing regarding this project.
MR. SALVADOR-Spoke regarding the zoning changes noting most of the work that was done on the zoning
change took place after the Comprehensive Plan was done the Town Board took over the zoning ordinance
changes was done in Workshop Session.
PAUL DAVIDSON, PICKLE HILL ROAD-Thanked the board for approving the Water Treatment Plant
noting the Town will be saving money. Spoke to the board regarding the Reevaluation Project for the Town
noting he is happy that the Town is doing this it will be good for the Town. Spoke to the board regarding his
dealings with the Town Planning Department in particular Craig Brown regarding the Keith Harris property
on Pickle Hill Road and his concern with Mr. Brown not returning his phone calls and emails with regard to
this project when he does get back he tells me he is working on it.
COUNCILMAN STROUGH-Mr. Brown has said to me he will make his determination soon all the things
that you have shared with us tonight you have shared in emails and shared with Craig. I am sure he will put
this all together and come to a determination based on everything hearing both sides then we will go from
there.
4.0 CORRESPONDENCE
DEPUTY TOWN CLERK, O'BRIEN- The MS4 Annual Report Period ending March 9, 2013 on file in
Town Clerks Office.
5.0 TOWN BOARD DISCUSSIONS
WARD TWO- COUNCILMAN CLEMENTS
• Thanked Tom Lyons and his staff for the wonderful job in taking care of the residents at the Glen
after the fire last week also thanked the first responders.
WARD THREE—COUNCILMAN STROUGH
• Seconded Councilman Clements remarks regarding the fire.
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• Thanked everyone involved with the Glens Falls Town of Queensbury Memorial Day Parade.
WARD FOUR- COUNCILMAN BREWER
• Agreed with Councilman Strough regarding the parade it was a perfect parade there was a big
crowd appreciates all the work he did.
SUPERVISOR MONTESI
• Warren County has stocked Clendon Brook with three hundred brook trout. Glen Lake with five
hundred rainbow trout. Gurney Lane Pond with a hundred trout. Halfway Brook with seven
hundred and fifty brook trout and Hovey Pond with three hundred brook trout.
• The agreement has been sent between the Town of Queensbury and the Town of Moreau,which
will be signed by Prestin Jenkins this is to provide Moreau with enough water so they can supply
the Village of South Glens Falls while they are getting their new Water Treatment Plant built that
will be a duration of six to eight weeks in the amount of seven hundred thousand gallons per day
that mean Moreau will be getting about two million gallons a day from the Town of Queensbury.
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING
RESOLUTION NO. 258,2013
INTRODUCED BY: Mr., Tim Brewer
WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION
SECONDED BY: Mr.,John Strough
RESOLVED,that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby adjourns its Regular Town Board
Meeting.
Duly adopted this 3rd day of June, 2013,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Strough,Mr.Brewer,Mr. Montesi,Mr. Clements
NOES: None
ABSENT:Mr. Metivier
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
DARLEEN M. DOUGHER
TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF QUEENSBURY