06-26-2014 (Queensbury Planning Board 06/26/2014)
QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
JUNE 26,2014
INDEX
Site Plan No. 24-2014 William&Pamela Roberts 1.
Tax Map No. 239.12-2-64
Subdivision No. 8-2012 Cerrone Builders, Inc. 2.
FINAL STAGE Tax Map No. 296.14-1-21, 22, 25
Site Plan No. 32-2014 Wayne Mattison 5.
Tax Map No. 303.19-1-40, 41
Site Plan No. 37-2014 Lisa&Ken Lambert 10.
Tax Map No. 309.18-1-25, 26
Site Plan No. 38-2014 Stephen O'Leary 12.
Tax Map No. 239.12-2-87
Site Plan No.40-2014 Paul Deslauriers 15.
Tax Map No. 297.10-1-45
Site Plan No.43-2014 Michael Ringer 18.
Tax Map No. 309.14-1-11, 14
THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF
REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES (IF ANY) AND
WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES.
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QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
SECOND REGULAR MEETING
JUNE 25,2014
7:00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT
CHRIS HUNSINGER, CHAIRMAN
DONALD KREBS, SECRETARY
STEPHEN TRAVER
PAUL SCHONEWOLF
DAVID DEEB
THOMAS FORD
BRAD MAGOWAN
LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE
STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI
MR. HUNSINGER-If everyone's ready, I'd like to call to order the meeting of the Town of Queensbury
Planning Board on Thursday, June 26. 2014. For members of the audience, welcome. There is a
copy of the agenda on the back table. There's also a public hearing information sheet. Most of the
items do have a public hearing scheduled and we'll get into more details when we open the first
public hearing. The first item on the agenda is a tabled item.
TABLED ITEM:
SITE PLAN NO. 24-2014 WILLIAM & PAMELA ROBERTS: FOR FURTHER TABLING
CONSIDERATION
MR. HUNSINGER-Staff is, well, we need to schedule it for after July 16th. Is there any more
information, Laura,that you want to share?
MRS. MOORE-No,there's no new additional information. Just the fact that they requested a tabling
to a further date,and the Zoning Board tabled them to the August meeting.
MR. HUNSINGER-August meeting. Okay.
MRS.MOORE-Yes.
MR. HUNSINGER-So we'd need to schedule it for the second August meeting or September, if the
Zoning Board.
MRS. MOORE-I'll explain what's happening with the applicant. The applicant had proposed altering
the buildings in an architectural scheme, and the Zoning Board did their poll vote and it didn't look
favorable. So the applicant said let me table it. We'll go back to the drawing board and see if
there's something else, and at this point in time they're still, their previous application that was
handled in January is still valid. So if they move forward on that,then this new alteration would go
away.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MRS. MOORE-So tabling them to August or September is fine. You can do either one. I'm assuming
by that time I will know whether they're abandoning this projector not. August is fine.
MR. FORD-Second August meeting?
MRS.MOORE-Yes.
MR. HUNSINGER-The 26th.
MR. KREBS-August 26th?
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. Do you want to make that motion?
RESOLUTION TABLING SP# 24-2014 WILLIAM &PAMELA ROBERTS
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A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes construction of two cottages previously approved for replacement within the
existing footprint area. Main cottage to be constructed within 50 feet of the shoreline. Site Plan:
Pursuant to Chapter 179-6-050 of the Zoning Ordinance hard surfacing within 50 feet of the
shoreline shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
SEQR Type II-no further review required;
PB made a recommendation to the ZBA on 4-15-2014; the ZBA tabled the variance requests to a
June meeting; subsequently the PB tabled the application to 6-26-2014;
A public hearing was advertised,public hearing opened and left open on 4-22-2014;
The applicant has requested further tabling-see letter from Dennis MacElroy dated 5-23-2014;
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 24-2014 WILLIAM & PAMELA ROBERTS, Introduced by
Donald Krebs who moved for its adoption,seconded by Stephen Traver:
Tabling this application to August 26, 2014.
Duly adopted this 26th day of June, 2014,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Ford, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Krebs, Mr.Traver, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
OLD BUSINESS:
SUBDIVISION NO. 8-2012 FINAL STAGE SEQR TYPE I CERRONE BUILDERS, INC. AGENT(S)
LITTLE & O'CONNOR, VISION ENGINEERING ZONING MDR LOCATION SWEET ROAD -
NORTH SIDE APPLICANT PROPOSES A 29 LOT CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION FOR 29 THREE
BEDROOM SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ALONG WITH ASSOCIATED UTILITIES &
INFRASTRUCTURE, COMMON HOA LAND AND PASSIVE RECREATION. SUBDIVISION OF LAND
REQUIRES PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE TB RESOLUTION
139-14, 210-2013 APA, CEA, OTHER NYSHPO LOT SIZE 29.45 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 296.14-1-
21,22,25 SECTION CHAPTERA-183
MICHAEL O'CONNOR, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT;AL CERRONE, PRESENT
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-Okay. Under Summary, I have the applicant has completed the Final Stage application
for subdivision review of a 29 lot conservation subdivision. The applicant proposes that 29 lots less
than 0.5 acres be developed for single family homes. The project includes designated open space
areas with walking paths. The open space area is to be owned by a home owners association and a
description of the HOA ownership is part of the final stage submission. The board may discuss
decks pools and sheds to review setbacks for those items due to the lot sizes. The board may also
consider discussing additional land to be set aside for future sidewalk along Sweet Road -this was
mentioned at the Town Board during the sewer discussion.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. O'CONNOR-Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Michael O'Connor from the law firm of Little &
O'Connor. I represent the applicant,Al Cerrone,who is president of Cerrone Builders, Inc., and Dan
Ryan, who is the project engineer. We have looked at the Staff comments and the proposed
conditions to the resolution and we really have no issues with the questions. We'd be glad to
answer your questions.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Questions,comments for the applicant?
MR. FORD-As a result of a recent workshop that I went to on the Main Street development, and the
smart development in America project, I keep getting e-mails about hazardous walking conditions
in America and so forth, and when I saw that, what had been discussed the other night at the Town
Board, I wondered if there would be interest and a willingness to set aside,without cutting trees or
putting in sidewalks, but if we could designate a portion of the roadside for the potential for future
sidewalk development.
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MR. O'CONNOR-If you look at the site, there is a space within the right of way, which a sidewalk
could be constructed before you get to the trees, and typically I think if they're going to do a
sidewalk in curbs, that's where they would put it. They wouldn't put it off of the road, requiring
trees to be cut. That's already owned by the Town or whoever owns that road. It's not part of the
development. There's about 10 feet in there. So if somebody has the will or sees the practicality of
putting a sidewalk through there,there's the ability to do it.
MR. FORD-And you know I'm not a great advocate of sidewalks that go to nowhere and connect to
nothing, but, you know, who knows. Down the road, at least the potential is there. So that's a
positive thing as far as I'm concerned.
MR. O'CONNOR-We think it's there.
MR. HUNSINGER-I guess the question that I would ask about that is, since that, well, it would be on
the Town right of way so it wouldn't be up to the homeowners association to maintain. It would be
up to the Town.
MR. KREBS-Right,and the subdivision is already providing some walking area.
MR. O'CONNOR-Internally within the subdivision there are walking paths that we're going to
establish.
MR. KREBS-Yes,which is much safer than having them walk along Sweet Road.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other questions or comments from the Board? Did you have any comments
about some of the Staff comments about decks and other issues?
MR. O'CONNOR-We believe that we can live within the setbacks for the zone with those items. I
think you can build accessory buildings or sheds up to a certain size at five foot setback from your
property line.
MRS. MOORE-Correct, less than 120 square feet. So once that shed goes over 120, then you're
subject to the setbacks of that zone. So I was just, I just wanted to make sure that there weren't lots
or things like that; that you're setting yourself up for a variance.
MR. O'CONNOR-I think that's why we specifically asked for the side line setback. So people
wouldn't be coming in for variances,particularly if they ask for a side load garage. If you remember
the early discussions we had about that. The normal rear yard setback is 30 feet,for the structures.
MR. CERRONE-The Town regs as far as pool setbacks?
MRS.MOORE-It's 20 feet from the rear.
MR. CERRONE-Is 20 feet from the rear? Okay.
MR. HUNSINGER-I mean, some of the lots on the inside of the circle, I can see where there may be
issues. Certainly the ones on the outside of the circle you've got plenty of rear yard space.
MR. FORD-I notice there are a couple of places where, once place in particular where it's a
subdivision for 29 three bedroom homes, and another place the bedrooms were not specified as
just three bedroom.
MR. O'CONNOR-We did the three bedrooms to make sure that we had the conservative or maximum
flow for sewer purposes, and we will get charged for that when we buy into the sewer district, and
we won't get into an issue of counting bedrooms, if, perhaps, that is the market, and we don't think
that's the market for these houses. We think the market is two bedrooms,but we wanted to have a
flow rate that somebody wouldn't come along and say, well, what happens if you build three
bedrooms.
MR. FORD-It makes sense to me. Stormwater issues have been addressed to your satisfaction?
DAN RYAN
MR. RYAN-Yes. We did re-issue an updated stormwater plan and SWPPP and at this point I believe
there's six minor administrative type comments that are addressing a couple of calculation
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clarifications and detail clarifications, none of which would ultimately change anything related to
the project design. So it's really just more of providing those clarifications, and I believe we would
have the engineering signoff without too much trouble addressing those.
MR. O'CONNOR-I think your resolution is set up for, your resolution for approval is set up that the
Chairman won't signoff until we have that engineering approval.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. FORD-I just wanted to make sure that there weren't any issues that the applicant wanted to
address.
MR. HUNSINGER-Anything else? Any other questions,comments, Laura?
MRS. MOORE-I had a phone call from Mike Shaw, Department of Health,today saying that they're in
the process of reviewing the materials, and they didn't have any objections at this time, and they're
satisfied with the information that's presented so far. So he wanted to make sure that you were
aware of that.
MR. HUNSINGER-I'm not even sure we'd have this many questions if so much time hadn't gone by
since the last meeting. A lot of it's just a refresher or things we'd talked about.
MR. O'CONNOR-There's a lot of submittals. Well, we had to wait for the finalization of the sewer
district, and the resolution of the Town Board is a permissive resolution, or it's a resolution subject
to a permissive referendum. So we had to wait 30 days after their resolution, even though we
waited some time for them to schedule their resolution.
MR. MAGOWAN-Can we make it any more complicated,right?
MR. O'CONNOR-We tried to dot the I's and cross the T's.
MR. FORD-I believe that it is one of the outstanding projects to be advocated in the Town of
Queensbury in recent memory, and I applaud you for doing it and I thank you for bringing it to
Queensbury.
MR. CERRONE-Thank you.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other comments or concerns we haven't addressed? Okay. Are there any
members that feel a need for any special conditions on the resolution? I guess it's up to you.
MR. KREBS-Okay.
RESOLUTION APPROVING FINAL STAGE SUB # 8-2012 CERRONE BUILDERS, INC.
A subdivision application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes a 29 lot conservation subdivision for 29 three bedroom single family dwellings
along with associated utilities & infrastructure, common HOA land and passive recreation.
Subdivision of land requires Planning Board review and approval.
SEQR Negative Declaration and Preliminary Stage approval on 1-28-2014;
Town Board of Health approved a sewer district extension on 2-24-2014 (BOH resolution 75.2014);
A public hearing was scheduled and held on 1-28-2014;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in
the file of record;
MOTION TO APPROVE FINAL STAGE SUBDIVISION NO. B-2012 CERRONE BUILDERS. INC.,
Introduced by Donald Krebs who moved for its adoption,seconded by Thomas Ford:
Per the resolution prepared by Staff:
1. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter A-183, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code.
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2. The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall be
installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff.
3. Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Planning Board Chairman.
4. The applicant must submit a copy of the following to the Town:
a) The project NOI (Notice of Intent) for coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General
Permit or for coverage under an individual SPDES prior to the start of au site work.
b) The project NOT (Notice of Termination) upon completion of the project; and
5. The applicant must maintain on their project site,for review by staff:
a) The approved final that have been stamped by the Town Zoning Administrator. These plans
must include the project SWPPP (Storm Water Pollution Prevention Plan) when such a plan
was prepared and approved; and
b) The project NOI and proof of coverage under the current NYSDEC SPDES General Permit, or
an individual SPDES permit issued for the project.
6. Final approved plans, in compliance with the Subdivision, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building
and Codes personnel.
7. The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work.
8. Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution.
9. As-built plans to certify that the subdivision is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
Duly adopted this 26th day of June, 2014,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Ford, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr.Traver, Mr. Krebs, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
MR. HUNSINGER-You're all set. Good luck.
MR. CERRONE-Thank you very much.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes,you're welcome. Thank you. The remaining items all fall under Old Business
Requiring a Public Hearing.
OLD BUSINESS REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARING:
SITE PLAN NO. 32-2014 SEQR TYPE II WAYNE MATTISON AGENT(S) MICHAEL J. O'CONNOR,
ESQ. OWNER(S) MICHAEL LARSON; SHARON WELLS ZONING CLI LOCATION LWR. WARREN
ST.; GREEN AVE. APPLICANT PROPOSES CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY AUTO USE ACILITY
FOR REPAIR AND SALES OF AUTOMOBILES. AUTOMOBILE SERVICES IS AN ALLOWABLE USE
IN THE CLI ZONE; AUTOMOBILE SALES IS NOT. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 OF THE
ZONING ORDINANCE AUTOMOBILE SERVICE IN A CLI ZONE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING
BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE UV 33-14 WARREN CO. REFERRAL MAY
2014-NO COUNTY IMPACT LOT SIZE 0.11, 0.36 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 303.19-1-40,41 SECTION
179-3-040
MICHAEL O'CONNOR, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura?
MR. O'CONNOR-Respectfully, Mr. Chairman, I would ask that you table the application until the
second meeting in July, keep the public hearing open. We have not submitted the necessary
information to the Town for the engineering at this point. We did get our Use Variance, and we are
proceeding to do the balance of the work.
MR. HUNSINGER-How quickly will you get the revised plans and materials?
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MR. O'CONNOR-I'm hoping we'd get it by the Stn.
MRS. MOORE-I was hoping, tomorrow's our typical timeframe that we put packets together for the
engineer,and so we should chat about how soon you can get that information to us.
MR. O'CONNOR-Hopeful the end of next week.
MRS.MOORE-Okay.
MR. HUNSINGER-Is that soon enough? Because I know we're looking to finalize the agenda for July.
MRS. MOORE-Right. Currently it's not on the July agenda. So it would be added to the second
meeting in July, if the Board wanted to do that. Again, I don't know, I'm in a Catch-22 because I
know the information is subject to this parcel, and we do need to review the landscaping, lighting,
stormwater, and some of that information gets forwarded to the Town Engineer. We try to get that
information in a timely fashion so that the Town Engineer has that amount of time to review it.
MR. HUNSINGER-Right.
MRS. MOORE-I know the applicant has proceeded with gathering some of that information, so I just
don't know where they're at.
MR. O'CONNOR-It's a 1340 square foot building with 10 parking spots I think on the site. It is not
going to be that complicated. It's a very small site,too. I think it was 1340,wasn't it?
MRS.MOORE-Right. It's not a very big building.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-So we table it until the second meeting in July?
MR. MAGOWAN-1320.
MR. O'CONNOR-1320. Okay.
MR. HUNSINGER-I mean, I didn't bring the list with me, but it seemed like there was room on the
second meeting agenda.
MR. O'CONNOR-And I think the septic is a very simple septic. I'm not even sure what the
requirements are,but it's a small office.
MRS.MOORE-You only have five items on the second meeting at this time.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR. O'CONNOR-So hopefully they won't have to send it to the engineers.
MR. HUNSINGER-Is the Board comfortable tabling it to the 23rd?
MR. FORD-Yes.
MR. HUNSINGER-Submission deadline of?
MR. O'CONNOR-Next Friday?
MR. HUNSINGER-Well, Friday's the 4th. So July 3rd.
MR. O'CONNOR-No,let's go the other way. Let's go the Monday.
MR. HUNSINGER-July 7th?
MRS. MOORE-July 7th. That's late. What I can do is, yes, you can place it on the agenda. If the
information's not complete enough to forward on,then I'll ask the Board,in July,to table it further.
MR. HUNSINGER-That seems fair.
MR. KREBS-So what is it,July 22nd?
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MR. HUNSINGER-July 23rd. I'm sorry,yes,you're right,the 22nd.
MR. KREBS-Okay.
MR. HUNSINGER-I misspoke.
RESOLUTION TABLING SP# 32-2014 WAYNE MATTISON
A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes construction of a one story Auto Use facility for repair and sales of automobiles.
Automobile Services is an allowable use in the CLI zone; Automobile Sales is not. Pursuant to
Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance Automobile Service in a CLI zone shall be subject to
Planning Board review and approval.
SEQR Type II -no further review required;
PB made a recommendation to the ZBA on 6-17-2014; the ZBA approved the variance request on 6-
18-2014;
A public hearing was advertised and held on 6-26-2014;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in
the file of record;
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 32-2014 WAYNE MATTISON, Introduced by Donald Krebs
who moved for its adoption,seconded by Brad Magowan:
This is tabled to the July 22nd meeting.
Duly adopted this 26th day of June, 2014,by the following vote:
MR. HUNSINGER-I'm sorry,did you want to speak,sir?
JOSEPH WALKUP
MR.WALKUP-Is this for what I saw on there, Green Avenue and Lower Warren?
MRS.MOORE-You need to open the public hearing. Sorry.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, I was going to do that,but,yes,we really should take the comment, since he's
here, but we do have a motion, which we need to act on. So we can go ahead and take the motion
and we'll take your comments.
MR.WALKUP-I just wanted to know what's going on. I own property right next to it.
MR. MAGOWAN-Joe,come on up. You've got to speak and introduce yourself.
MR. WALKUP-I'm not familiar with this. I just work 12 hour days. My name's Joseph Walkup. I
own. I'm sorry.
MR. HUNSINGER-Just bear with me one second because we have to act on the motion first. We have
a motion and a second. Any discussion? Call the vote.
AYES: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Krebs, Mr.Traver, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
MR. HUNSINGER-And I hate to do this out of order,but go ahead,sir.
PUBLIC HEARING OPEN
MR.WALKUP-Okay. My name's Joseph Walkup. I own the property to the left of it.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
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MR.WALKUP-With the garage and the building there. It used to be called Pork and Beers. It was a
bar. What is being built on this,in between what they bought three parcels right there?
MRS.M00RE-just two.
MR. HUNSINGER-Two.
MRS.MOORE-There's just two parcels. Do you want me to read the project description?
MR. HUNSINGER-Sure,that would be helpful.
MRS. MOORE-Applicant proposes construction of a one story Auto Use facility for repair and sales
of automobiles.
MR.WALKUP-How big is the building going to be on it? It's not that big of a lot.
MRS.MOORE-Right. It's only 1300.
MR. HUNSINGER-1300 square feet.
MR.WALKUP-Any plans on selling cars from there?
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR.WALKUP-It's not really that big. He's going to be on my property. That's my concerns.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. WALKUP-And there's one down the road that these young kids built, well, they didn't build,
they bought it and they changed the variance, and theirs is loaded with at least 20 something cars,
and,you know,it's going to be overcrowded. I don't see how,has it already passed?
MR. HUNSINGER-No.
MR.WALKUP-It's not?
MR. HUNSINGER-No,we're tabling it this evening.
MR.WALKUP-Am I the only one that's showing up?
MR. HUNSINGER-So far.
MR.WALKUP-So far.
MR. FORD-And we will welcome you back in July when we hear it again.
MR. O'CONNOR-I'll show you what we've got, if you want. I represent the people that are making
the application.
MR. WALKUP-Are you the agent that's selling it? So you're trying to get a variance so they can, if
they can the variance changed?
MR. O'CONNOR-I'm not the agent that's selling it.
MR.WALKUP-Okay.
MR. O'CONNOR-I'm the attorney making the zoning application. They've already gotten the
variance.
MR.WALKUP-So they got it changed so they can sell cars from there?
MR. O'CONNOR-Yes.
MR.WALKUP-When did that happen,the 18th?
MR. HUNSINGER-Last week,or last night.
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MR.TRAVER-So the next step in the process, sir, is they would be returning,the applicant would be
returning on July 22nd again before us that evening,and we'll talk about site issues,that is to say the
building itself,the grounds,what changes,what impacts,all of that kind of thing.
MR.WALKUP-Okay.
MR. MAGOWAN-How many parking spots,how many cars would be allowed,blah,blah,blah.
MR. WALKUP-Before that the discussion has only been on whether or not the use could be
permitted, and to do that, they not only had to talk to us, but they had to go to the Town Zoning
Board, which they've successfully been able to do, but then they have to come back and talk about
specifically what are they building on the property and that type of thing,specifics.
MR. WALKUP-I want to know big the building is, how many cars are going to be allowed to be
parked on there.
MR. TRAVER-You also would have an opportunity, along with the rest of the public, to stop by the
Town Planning Office and examine the actual plans that have been submitted for the project.
MR.WALKUP-Well, that's hard for me because I go to work, I have to be in to work at 6 and I don't
get out until 6 and I have a 35 minute drive. That's the reason I had to rush to get up here.
MR. HUNSINGER-Sure.
MR.WALKUP-And that's why I didn't make it last week.
MR. HUNSINGER-The applicant's agent has offered to show you the plans and stuff this evening.
MR.WALKUP-I'll look at it and stuff,but I'm not really happy about it,because I don't think it's.
MR. HUNSINGER-We'll be happy to hear your concerns. You can either come to the meeting on the
22nd of July or you can submit them in writing to the Town Planning Office.
MR. MAGOWAN-And they'll be read in.
MR.TRAVER-Or both.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes,or both.
MR.WALKUP-Okay.
MR. HUNSINGER-There's also information available on the Town website, if you have Internet
access, Queensbury.net. I'm just putting it out there,just so you know.
MR.WALKUP-All right.
MR. HUNSINGER-You know,for the benefit of everyone else,too.
MR.WALKUP-Okay.
MR. KREBS-And if you want, this is a drawing of the layout of the building, if you want a copy to
look at.
MR.WALKUP-Okay. I'm done.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Thank you.
MR.WALKUP-The 22nd?
MR. KREBS-The 22nd
MR. HUNSINGER-The 22nd of July. Was there anyone else that wanted to speak during the public
hearing? We took that a little out of order. I apologize.
MRS.MOORE-So the Board has officially opened the public hearing and is leaving it open?
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MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. We will leave the public hearing, and we will reconvene the public hearing
on the 22nd of July.
MRS.M00RE-Thank you.
MR. O'CONNOR-One other question.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes,go ahead.
MR. O'CONNOR-I believe that the zip line is tentatively scheduled for one of the July meetings.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MRS.MOORE-Yes.
MR. O'CONNOR-Okay. If you, Mr. Chairman, if the Board wants to tell me when you want to do your
site visit, I will arrange to have transportation that will meet you at the ranch and take you to the
top.
MR. MAGOWAN-We already did that.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. O'C O N N O R-Everybody?
MR. HUNSINGER-I know I did.
MR. KREBS-I did.
MR. HUNSINGER-Is there anyone that didn't that would like to?
MR. FORD-I would like to do that.
MR.TRAVER-They took us up in a gator.
MR. DEEB-I'd like to go up, Mike.
MR. O'CONNOR-All right.
MRS.MOORE-Coordinate with myself and I'll get in touch with Mike.
MR. O'CONNOR-The Town coordinates with me, I'll be sure that somebody's there that can take you
up there and give you a little guided tour.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR. KREBS-Spectacular view from the top.
MR. HUNSINGER-I had the pictures for the longest time. I took pictures from the top. I had them for
the longest time on my cell phone. It's been two years,because it was in the fall.
MR. O'CONNOR-Okay.
MR. HUNSINGER-Thank you.
MR. O'CONNOR-And I thank you.
SITE PLAN NO. 37-2014 SEQR TYPE II LISA&KEN LAMBERT OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT
ZONING MDR LOCATION 36 TWIN CHANNELS ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TO COMPLETE A
473.76 SQ. FT. SHED CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION._PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-5-
020 & 179-6-060 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND
CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 50 FEET OF 15% SLOPES SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD
REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE AV 45-14; BP 14-149 WARREN CO. REFERRAL
JUNE 2014 LOT SIZE 0.10 & 0.14 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 309.18-1-25, 26 SECTION 179-3-040,
179-5-020,and 179-6-060
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LISA&KEN LAMBERT, PRESENT
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-The applicant proposes to complete a 473.76 sq. ft. shed garage currently under
construction. They did receive their variance for setbacks, and they received that last evening. So
they're prepared for their site plan this evening. The idea is that they're constructing the building
within 50 feet of 15%slopes.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. LAMBERT-Good evening.
MR. HUNSINGER-If you could identify yourself for the record.
MR. LAMBERT-Ken Lambert.
MRS. LAMBERT-And Lisa Lambert.
MR. HUNSINGER-Do you want to tell us a little bit about your project? Do you have anything else
you wanted to add?
MRS. LAMBERT-Not really, no. Everything has been tapered down. I don't know how far below the
wall.
MR. LAMBERT-A foot and a half.
MRS. LAMBERT-So grass can be built there now. So we don't have to worry about anymore erosion.
The runoff is going to be taken care of for water. So we won't have any pooling, ponding, erosion,
any of that stuff. It'll all be taken care of now where it wasn't before.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR.TRAVER-And I understand the neighbor's happy about this,too.
MRS. LAMBERT-Yes.
MR. FORD-It appears that it got a little out of sequence,but overall the bottom line is going to be an
improvement.
MRS. LAMBERT-It is,yes.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other questions, comments from the Board? We do have a public hearing
scheduled for this project as well. Is there anyone in the audience that wishes to address the
Board?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR. HUNSINGER-Any written comments, Laura?
MRS.MOORE-No.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. '11 open the public hearing and I will close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. HUNSINGER-Let the record show no comments were received. This is a Type II SEQR. So
unless there's any questions or comments from the Board, I'll entertain a motion.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP# 37-2014 LISA&KEN LAMBERT
A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes to complete a 473.76 sq. ft. shed currently under construction. Site Plan:
Pursuant to Chapter 179-5-020 & 179-6-060 of the Zoning Ordinance accessory structures and
construction within 50 feet of 15%slopes shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval.
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SEQR Type II;
PB made a recommendation to the ZBA on 6-17-14; the ZBA approved the variance requests on 6-
18-14;
A public hearing was advertised and held on 6-26-2014;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in
the file of record;
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 37-2014 LISA & KEN LAMBERT, Introduced by Donald
Krebs who moved for its adoption,seconded by Brad Magowan:
As per the resolution prepared by Staff.
1) Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the
Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the
Zoning Code;
2) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community
Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building
and Codes personnel.
3) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work.
4) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance
with this and all other conditions of this resolution.
5) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
Duly adopted this 26th day of June, 2014,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Krebs, Mr.Traver, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
MR. HUNSINGER-You're all set. Good luck.
MRS. LAMBERT-Okay. Thank you.
SITE PLAN NO. 38-2014 SEQR TYPE II STEPHEN O'LEARY AGENT(S) CARL SCHRODER, P.E.
OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR LOCATION 77 BRAYTON LANE APPLICANT
PROPOSES CONSTRUCTION OF A 768 SQ. FT. RESIDENTIAL ADDITION. PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 179-13-010 & 179-6-060 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SITE PLAN REVIEW SHALL
BE REQUIRED FOR ANY ENLARGEMENT OF A LAWFUL NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE IN A
CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA & ACTIVITIES WITHIN 50 FEET OF 15% SLOPES. CROSS
REFERENCE AV 47-14, BP 14-031, BOH 9-14 (5-5-14) WARREN CO. REFERRAL JUNE 2014
APA, CEA, OTHER L G PARK CEA LOT SIZE 0.32 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 239.12-2-87 SECTION
179-3-040, 179-13-010
CARL SCHODER, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-Okay. The applicant proposes renovation of an existing 980 square foot home with
an addition of a 384 square foot loft area and the project also includes conversion of an existing
enclosed porch, an 8 by 24, into a portion of the Great Room. They did receive their variance last
evening and so they're prepared to discuss their project that occurs within 50 feet of 15%slopes.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Good evening.
MR. SCHODER-Good evening. Carl Schoder from Schoder River Associates, representing the
applicant. I believe that the situation says it all. We wound up getting our variance yesterday
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evening, as far as the area variance requirements. I believe we presented to this Board a week ago
what the project particulars were. So I won't belabor that, and I guess we're here to answer
questions relative to the site plan.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Questions, comments from the Board? Everyone's flipping through their
notes.
MR. FORD-Would you please re-visit the septic application?
MR. SCHODER-Absolutely. As we noted before, the site is basically bedrock and shallow soils with
the exception of one area that has usable soils on it. The area would not hold a typical stone and
trench type wastewater system. Instead what we are proposing, and what we received the septic
system variance for the Town Board of Health was for the construction of something called a
Presby system. A Presby system is an aerated type of a system. It keeps the medium in an aerated
state which is important because in septic systems the bugs like air, at least in the leach field they
do It has a sand filtered medium around it which winds up, if you will, polishing that waste. That's
where those bacteria live that do that. Therefore the waste that comes out of it is of a higher grade
than what you would normally expect from a conventional stone trench system. To build that
system, because of bedrock considerations, etc., in again, the only feasible location as we had noted
to the Town Board of Health,would require bringing in some fill. To bring that fill in,and towing off
the slopes the side slopes of that fill, put us in a situation where we required variances for two
different provisions. One was,at least as far as a leach field,one was separation to a side line,which
is measured from tow of slope, if you will, the other was for separation of bedrock, three feet
required. I can get, based on quite a few test pits, actually, to try and verify that we actually had
something to work with, I can get about two and a half feet. So close but no cigar. Obviously if I
made that higher, it would get wider, I'd have more problems with the side line. So, it was decided
to go with this design, which, again, the Board of Health had approved. In constructing this, and
being able to put that fill in to retain that fill, because again, we've got about a third of an acre to
work with,here,very little space,will require the construction of two masonry retaining walls. The
drawings note something called a wall by Rockwood. I believe it may actually be a wall by Versa
Lock, but that would be an equal in my professional opinion to Rockwood. Same thing, just
different manufacturer. That wall would create, retain the earth that is being used to create that
wastewater system. As it steps down, you're going to have another lower shelf, if you will, or
terrace to that well system. Really the intent of that is, One, aesthetics. It would look nice, be able
to put plantings by the wall. Secondly it gives us a little bit of stormwater infiltration in that area.
I'm surprised you folks haven't asked me about that as of yet, but we're doing the best we can with
a third of an acre of a pile of rock. Actually we've got some pretty good things going on there. And
that is part of that. You ask me what time it is, I tell you how to make the watch. Engineers. One
point, I'm sorry, there was one other variance issue that had to do with the septic tank. Available
space to be able to install the required size of the septic tank simply isn't there between the
adjacent property. There's no other place to put it and keep it far enough away from the lake. So
what we chose to do was hold that separation distance requirement of 10 feet to adjacent property
line for that tank and also for a pump pit, but infringe on the separation distance to the new, or not
the new,but to the existing structure. What we will do, as a way of mitigating that,would be to put
an impermeable membrane, basically a hypalon type of a material, down and extending beyond
those tag installations to prevent any lateral migration should there be a leak in the tank. Okay.
MR. FORD-You've had your challenges there,haven't you?
MR. SCHODER-Yes, I never get the easy ones, but then again on Lake George most of the easy ones
unfortunately are done.
MR. FORD-Fortunately they found your reputation. I'm sure they're happy that they found out
about your reputation.
MR. SCHODER-Am I in trouble?
MR. FORD-Not yet.
MR. SCHODER-Thank you for that. We've had some good successes in tough sites, and it's good for
the lake.
MR. FORD-Obviously.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Well,that's a tough site but it's a beautiful site there.
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MR. SCHODER-It is. It's nestled into the corner. It is,it really is.
MR. HUNSINGER-And you have nice plantings along the shore.
MR. SCHODER-Right. Well,what is there is there. We're not touching it.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. SCHODER-One exception is to the north we have, well, actually not by the shore. The shore
we're leaving alone, but up on the side adjacent to that property, it came up in the wastewater
system hearings, that the adjacent owner wanted some assurance that runoff, and he's speaking of
stormwater, wouldn't wander over onto his property because he does have a septic tank down in
that area. It was easy enough to do,just gave him a little berm and we created a little swale. It'll all
be grassed. You won't know it's a berm and a swale when it's all done. It'll just keep the water on
the right side.
MR. FORD-Good.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other questions, comments? We do have a public hearing scheduled on this
project. Is there anyone in the audience that wishes to address the Board? No takers.
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR. HUNSINGER-Any written comments?
MRS.MOORE-No written comments.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. We will open the public hearing and let the record show no comments were
received. We'll close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. HUNSINGER-This is a Type II SEQR. So no SEQR review is required,and unless there's anything
else from the Board,a motion would be in order.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP# 38-2014 STEPHEN O'LEARY
A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes to renovate an existing home building footprint of 980 sq. ft.with an addition of
loft area of 384 sq. ft. The project includes the conversion of the porch area (8X24) towards the
shore to a great room area. Pursuant to Chapter 179-13-010 & 179-6-060 of the Zoning Ordinance
Site Plan review shall be required for any enlargement of a lawful non-conforming structure in a
Critical Environmental Area&activities within 50 feet of 15%slopes.
SEQR Type II;
Town Board of Health approved a septic variance on 5-5-2014 (BOH 9-14); PB made a
recommendation to the ZBA on 6-17-14; the ZBA approved the variance requests on 6-17-14;
A public hearing was advertised and held on 6-26-14;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in
the file of record;
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 38-2014 STEPHEN O'LEARY, Introduced by Donald Krebs
who moved for its adoption,seconded by Stephen Traver:
As per the resolution prepared by Staff.
1) Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080,
the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in
the Zoning Code;
2) Waiver requests granted: H -signage, M -Land use, 0 -structure details, R-material disposal
and S-snow removal.
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3) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel.
4) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work.
5) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution
6) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
Duly adopted this 26th day of June, 2014,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr.Traver, Mr. Krebs, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ford, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
MR. HUNSINGER-You're all set. Good luck.
MR. SCHODER-Thank you very much. I would just like to note one thing quickly. I work in different
towns. I appreciate the fact that you folks meet twice a month and are able to facilitate a variance
combined with Planning Board and site plan review by way of that amount of effort that you put
out. It really is something that helps out the applicant because typically, you know, I'm there for
two months, three months to try to get through the same process in many towns, but due to your
efforts and the time that you volunteer in this, I think it's a really good thing.
MR. HUNSINGER-Thank you.
MR. SCHODER-So thank you very much.
MR. MAGOWAN-Well, due to your exceptional workmanship on paper makes things go a lot easier
for us.
MR. SCHODER-Yes,you try and get it in there and complete,but thank you again.
MR. HUNSINGER-You're welcome. Good luck.
SITE PLAN NO. 40-2014 FRESHWATER WETLANDS SEQR TYPE II PAUL DESLAURIERS
OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING MDR LOCATION WINCOMA DRIVE
APPLICANT PROPOSES CONSTRUCTION OF A 2,475 SQ. FT. SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-6-050 & CHAPTER 94 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FILLING
AND HARD SURFACING WITHIN 50 FEET OF A SHORELINE (WETLAND) SHALL BE SUBJECT TO
PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. APPLICANT HAS OBTAINED A.C.O.E. PERMIT
AUTHORIZATION FOR DISTURBANCE WITHIN 100 FEET OF A REGULATED WETLAND.
CROSS REFERENCE AV 46-14, SEPTIC VARIANCE PENDING, SB 5-65, SECT. 3/4 WARREN CO.
REFERRAL JUNE 2014 APA, CEA, OTHER DEC &NWI WETLANDS LOT SIZE 1.15 ACRES TAX
MAP NO. 297.10-1-45 SECTION 179-6-050,CHAPTER 94
MR. HUNSINGER-Laura?
MRS. MOORE-Okay. The applicant has been tabled at the Zoning Board in anticipation of the Town
Board meeting to occur in July in reference to the septic system. I talked about this during your
Planning Board recommendation stage, and so at this time the Board will also be tabling this but
you'll be opening the public hearing and leaving it open.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-When is it going to be tabled to?
MR.TRAVER-August,right?
MRS.MOORE-You're going to table it to the second July meeting.
MR. KREBS-July 221,x.
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MRS.MOORE-Yes.
MR. HUNSINGER-We don't typically take public comment when we're about to table an item. Is
there anyone in the audience that wanted to address the Board this evening?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR. HUNSINGER-I do have at least one taker.
MRS.MOORE-I do have public comment.
MR. FORD-Two takers.
MR. HUNSINGER-Two takers,okay.
MRS.MOORE-And I do have written public comment.
MR. HUNSINGER-Well, we can read that into the record at the meeting when we hear the project.
Is there anyone here from the applicant?
MRS.MOORE-No,he's not here.
MR. HUNSINGER-There's no one from the applicant. Are you able to attend the meeting in July?
July 22nd. We always meet on Tuesday,we usually meet on a Tuesday. So it's the fourth Tuesday.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-Well,the meeting that we came to I think on a Monday, or the Tuesday for the
public health meeting for the septic system. That was tabled until July 7th, but there are other
variances besides the septic.
MRS.MOORE-Correct.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, I'm not very comfortable taking public comment if the applicant's not here.
MR.TRAVER-Yes,and there are also,the variances have not been decided on yet.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes.
MR. TRAVER-So it's going to be heard again next month, so if you have issues with variances that
should be something you would want to attend would be the Zoning Board of Appeals meeting.
MRS.MOORE-And the Town Board meeting.
MR.TRAVER-And the Town Board meeting,which is the Board of Health,regarding those variances,
next month, and if and when they move forward out of those proceedings,then they would come to
us for the actual site plan.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-I believe that the Zoning Board of Appeals.
MS. GAGLIARDI-Excuse me,when you guys speak,you kind of need to get on the microphone.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-July 7th, pending a decision being rendered by the Board of Health. What
you're saying that will come before a decision is made,if your next one is on the 22nd.
MRS.MOORE-Could I just follow through?
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes,go ahead, Laura.
MRS. MOORE-So the Town Board variance or Board of Health variance will occur prior to the Town
Zoning Board meeting and prior to the Planning Board meeting. So the Town Board, acting as the
Board of Health,will be the first variance that the applicant will be going through.
MR.TRAVER-Which is the septic.
MRS.MOORE-Is the septic variance.
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MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, site plan is always last, which is why we don't typically take public comment
until it gets through the other variance requests because the project may change and,you know,the
comments may or may not be relevant to what the final project is, and it may not ever get here.
We've certainly had projects where projects weren't able to get their variance requests and a site
plan never came before our Board.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-Are you telling us.
MS. GAGLIARDI-Excuse me,but I really need you to use the microphone.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, we're going to end this real quick, though. We will hear this again on July
2211x,which is a Tuesday evening,and the meeting will start at seven o'clock.
MRS.MOORE-The Town Board will be meeting on July 7th to discuss the septic.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-Is there a public hearing?
MR. MOORE-I do not know. It's not relevant to the Planning Board or the Zoning Board,no.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-Well,the other thing is.
MRS. MOORE-No, I'm sorry. You're not on the mic and it's very hard to transcribe the minutes. So
we either need, the Chairman either needs to have you present to speak at the mic or the Board
needs to proceed with their tabling motion.
MR. HUNSINGER-We're going to table this project to July 22nd, and we will take public comment at
that time.
MR. SCHONEWOLF-So moved.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-Do you have a notification of these meetings?
MR. HUNSINGER-We do not.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-You do not.
MR. HUNSINGER-We do not. Well, there was initially, there is initially, but not for the follow up
meetings.
MRS.MOORE-Correct.
MR. HUNSINGER-It's published in the paper. It's on the Town website. We follow a very,very strict
public notice requirement,and you can always contact the Planning Department to find out details.
AUDIENCE MEMBER-Some of the neighbors never got the initial notice.
MR. HUNSINGER-I'm sorry, ma'am, we're going to move on. If you want to bring those issues up at
the public hearing,you're welcome to. Thank you. Did we have a motion to table this?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-Yes, I made that motion.
RESOLUTION TABLING SP#40-2014 PAUL DESLAURIERS
A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes construction of a 2,475 sq. ft. single family dwelling. Site Plan: Pursuant to
Chapter 179-6-050 of the Zoning Ordinance filling and hard-surfacing within 50 feet of a shoreline
(wetland) shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Applicant has obtained A.C.O.E.
permit authorization for disturbance of a portion of the wetland. FWW: Per Chapter 94 of the
Zoning Ordinance FWW review required for disturbance within 100 feet of a regulated wetland.
SEQR Type II;
Town Board of Health approved a septic variance on 6-16-14 tabled to 7-7-2014;
PB made a recommendation to the ZBA on 6-17-2014; the ZBA tabled the variance requests to 7-
16-2014;
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A public hearing was advertised,held on 6-26-2014 and left open to the July 2014 meeting;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in
the file of record;
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 40-2014 PAUL DESLAURIERS, Introduced by Paul
Schonewolf who moved for its adoption,seconded by Thomas Ford:
Tabled to the July 22, 2014 meeting.
Duly adopted this 26th day of June, 2014,by the following vote:
MR. HUNSINGER-And we will table the public hearing until the 22nd as well.
AYES: Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Ford, Mr. Deeb, Mr.Traver, Mr. Krebs, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
SITE PLAN NO. 43-2014 SEQR TYPE II MICHAEL RINGER AGENT(S) NACE ENGINEERING
OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING MS LOCATION 104 MAIN STREET, 1 LINDA AVE.
APPLICANT PROPOSES TO MODIFY AN EXISTING APPROVED SITE PLAN WITH CURRENT AS-
BUILT CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE APPROVED PLAN. PURSUANT TO
CHAPTER 179-9-120 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALTERATION TO SITE WITH APPROVED
SITE PLAN SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS
REFERENCE AV 44-14, SP 22-10, BP 10-048, SP 10-01 WARREN CO. REFERRAL JUNE 2014
LOT SIZE 0.32 &0.14+/-ACRES TAX MAP NO. 309.14-1-11, 14 SECTION 179-9-120
TOM CENTER, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT; MICHAEL RINGER, PRESENT
MRS. MOORE-Okay. The applicant proposes to modify an existing approved site plan with current
as built conditions that were not part of the original approval. The applicant had modified the plans
to address the Planning Board's concern at Planning Board recommendation. Those were
presented to the Zoning Board,where there's designated parking and designated landscaping to the
rear of the property as well as planters to the front of the property that you requested as a Board.
MR. HUNSINGER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening.
MR. CENTER-Good evening. Tom Center, Nace Engineering, along with the property owner, Mr.
Ringer. As you can see by the recently revised drawings that you have before you, we added a
landscaping plan and incorporated some comments from Staff from the last time, including parking
spaces in the rear,reconfigure the parking along the building to take into account the location of the
transformer in the northwest corner. Remove the parking space from up there. Also added some
green space, and showed only one exit on the rear of the parcel out to Linda Avenue, added four
arborvitae along the west side, if you will, of the Linda Avenue frontage to discourage anyone from
driving through off that section direct to the single exit door out to Main Street. We've also added
several planters along the walkway at the front of the building to try to incorporate some green to
the front side or north side of the building. The stormwater plan just changed in regards to the
added green space in the rear and the reconfiguration of the parking lot. The grading still maintains
the same. Everything still goes to the same drywells in the center of the parcel, of the back parcel
there to make any stormwater management in that area. By adding the green space we reduced the
requested variance by a couple of percent with the added green space. So we asked for less relief
which we received at the Zoning Board last week.
MR. HUNSINGER-Thank you. Questions, comments from the Board? I guess I would just add, you
know, I think you did a good job addressing the concerns that we had raised, and we appreciate
that.
MR. FORD-And quickly.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. Did we talk about lighting when you were here?
MR. CENTER-I don't believe so.
MR. HUNSINGER-Because I know you requested a waiver.
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MR. CENTER-I don't believe that we're proposing any lighting. The operation of the doctor's office s
early evening.
MR. RINGER-The operation's like,you know, 'til five o'clock. I had planned,there's a pole out there,
and I had left it there for a reason. Because I do want to put a light on that. I plan on putting a light
there. When, as soon as possible. I did put some lights on the side of the building that light up. So
if somebody was walking out in the wintertime.
MR.TRAVER-Motion detection lights?
MR. RINGER-Yes. I put them up,you know.
MR. HUNSINGER-I didn't notice them during site review. What kind of lights are they?
MR. CENTER-Are they all downcast lights on the?
MR. RINGER-They're on the side of the building. There's one on the east side of the building,
probably right towards the middle, and then there's one right on the west side of the building down
back towards the corner.
MR. MAGOWAN-Are they floodlight spotlight or are they?
MR. RINGER-No,they're motion detector floodlights.
MR. MAGOWAN-Okay. So they're not a downcast?
MR. RINGER-No.
MR. MAGOWAN-Okay.
MR. RINGER-They're just floodlights. So when somebody pulls in or walks by, they could see going
by. They seem to be working very well. Because it was brought to my attention. Where I've got
them set now, they click on, and like I say, at some point in time, that's why I left the pole there.
Tore the trailer down but left the pole,and at some point in time, I'd like to get a light.
MR. MAGOWAN-Be careful if they're not the right ones. They've got to be a downcast. You can put
them up,but you're going to be back here again.
MR. FORD-They've got to be Code compliant.
MR. MAGOWAN-Tom will give you a list of what you need. You're talking those big old ones that
used to hang out and over?
MR. RINGER-Yes,that's one of them.
MR. MAGOWAN-Okay.
MR. RINGER-No,but that is the plan of that. That's why the pole is out there. It's just, it's been a lot
of undertaking because when it was all said and done, it threw me for a loop and the first year was
like, I had to just clean it right up and that really solved the problem. It's all working good now.
MR. HUNSINGER-Any other questions or comments from the Board? We do have a public hearing
scheduled. There's no one left in the audience.
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
MR. HUNSINGER-Any written comments, Laura?
MRS.MOORE-There are no written comments.
MR. HUNSINGER-I will open the public hearing and we will close the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
MR. HUNSINGER-This is a Type II SEQR as well. I mean, I think the only issue is if he puts on new
lights that they need to be Code compliant.
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MR. CENTER-Duly noted. I will give him a list of the Code compliant light fixtures.
MR. HUNSINGER-Are there any other conditions that we need to consider?
MR. SCHONEWOLF-No,it's two stories.
MR. HUNSINGER-Yes,it's two stories.
MR. RINGER-Two stories. That's what you want. Right?
MR. HUNSINGER-No,that's not what we want. That is the law of the land now,though.
MR. RINGER-Since the first day Craig Brown told me I didn't need to comply and we got halfway
through it.
MR. HUNSINGER-Are you ready?
MR. KREBS-Sure.
RESOLUTION APPROVING SP#43-2014 MICHAEL RINGER
A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following:
Applicant proposes to modify an existing approved site plan with current as-built conditions that
were not part of the approved plan. Site Plan: Pursuant to Chapter 179-9-120 of the Zoning
Ordinance alteration to site with approved site plan shall be subject to Planning Board review and
approval. Variance: Relief requested from permeability requirements of the MS zone. Planning
Board shall provide a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals.
SEQR Type II; PB made a recommendation to the ZBA on 6-26-14; the ZBA approved the variance
request on 7-16-14;
A public hearing was advertised and held on 7-22-14;
This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in
the file of record;
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 43-2014 MICHAEL RINGER, Introduced by Donald Krebs
who moved for its adoption,seconded by Brad Magowan:
Per the resolution prepared by staff.
1) Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080,
the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in
the Zoning Code.
2) Waiver requests granted: Building elevations, floor plan, landscaping plan and a lighting
plan.
3) Lighting installed has to be code compliant.
4) Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved
plans.
5) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the
Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning
Administrator or Building and Codes personnel.
6) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit
and/or the beginning of any site work.
7) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on
compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution.
8) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be
provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy.
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Duly adopted this 26th day of June, 2014,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Magowan, Mr. Krebs, Mr.Traver, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
MR. HUNSINGER-And I thank you again for the revised plans. Laura, did you give everybody copies
of the Planning and Zoning Summer School list,or did only I get that?
MRS.MOORE-I don't think I did. Do you want me to copy that and forward it out,then?
MR. FORD-Please.
MRS.MOORE-Why don't I take that back and we'll copy that for you.
MR. HUNSINGER-Well, there's one in Colonie on July 31St. This is the Association of Towns. You
could e-mail it to everybody. Any other business to be brought before the Board? Would anyone
like to make a motion?
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF JUNE 26, 2014,
Introduced by Thomas Ford who moved for its adoption,seconded by Donald Krebs:
Duly adopted this 26th day of June, 2014,by the following vote:
AYES: Mr. Krebs, Mr. Magowan, Mr.Traver, Mr. Ford, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger
NOES: NONE
MR. HUNSINGER-We have meetings on July 15th and 22nd.
On motion meeting was adjourned.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Chris Hunsinger, Chairman
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