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that this note, together with .all other indebtedness of the Obligor
is within every debt and other limit prescribed by the Constitution and
laws of the State of New York.
IN WITNESS WHEREOG, the Obligor, in accordance with the proceedings
authofizing this .note, has caused this note to be signed and its corporate
„ seal to be hereunto affA::ed and attested as appears below, and this note
to be dated as of the 26th day of Aprif, 1977.
TOWN OF QUEENSBURY
WARREN COUNTY, NEW YORK
By
Supervisor
Town Clerk
Duly adopted by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber, Mrs: Walter, Mr. Robertson, Mr. Brandt
Noes : None
Absent: None
REGUAAR MEETING MAY 10 , 1977
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Michel Brandt-Supervisor
Daniel Olson-Councilman
Robert Barber-Councilman
Frances Walter-Councilman
Hammond Robertson-Cou:.icilman
Meeting Opened: 7: 35 P.M. Salute to the Flag, led by Councilman
Frances Walter
PRESS: WWSC, WBZA, Tri. County News , The G.F. Post Star
TOWN OFFICIALS: Carl A. Garb, Floyd Martindale, Shirliy Shenk
GUESTS: Daniel Gealt, Hr. & Mrs. H. Russell Harris, John Austin,Les Baird,
Pliney Tucker,League of Women Voters , Mr. Clements, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs.
Barber, Glen Greeno, Dan Morrell, Harold Akins,Jharjrc Noonan, Arthur
Turnbull
BID OPENING NOTICES SHOWN 7: 36 P.M.
GAS PUMP AND TANK FOR UNLEADED GAS
Clarence H. Elms
420 Ridge Road
Glens Falls ,New York 12801 S8,929. 31 Non Collusive
Adirondack Installers & Maintenance Co.
8619 Ferry Blvd. -�
So. Glens Falls, New York 12801 $3, 737. 66 Non Collusive
Trickey' s Tank and Pump, Inc.
22 Furlong Drive
Albany, New York 12205 no figures listed on bid.
no non-collusive
DUCTILE IRON PIPE BID
Atlantic States
Cast Iron Pipe Company
183 Sitgreaves Street
Phillipsburg, N.J. 08865 $10, 369. 50 Non Collusive
Vellano Bros. , Inc.
7 Hemlock Street Item No. 1 $4,998. 00
Latham, New York 12110
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Item No. 2 $3, 191.50
Item No. 3 $1, 650. 00 Non Collusive
Councilman Olson- requested that the bids on the Gas Tank and Pump be
referred to the Highway Supt. for his recommendation.
Councilman Robertson- requested that the bids on Ductile Iron Pipe be
referred to the Water Supt. for his recommendatdmn.
PUBLIC HEARING-NOTICE READ-REGARDING POSSIBLE ADOPTION OF LOCAL LAW PROVIDING
FOR APPOINTMENT INSTEAD OF ELECTION OF THE SUPERINTENDENT OF HIGHWAYS
– 7: 51 P.M.
( SUPERVISOR BRANDT-Requested to hear from all those opposed to or in favor
of this proposed Local Law.
Opened
PLINEY TUCKER- What brought this about, to appoint the Supt. of Highways?
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- It has been discussed informally, the Board consensus
was to put it out to the people to let the people of
the Town decide if they want to re-organize the function.
PLINEY TUCKER- What are the benefits to do it this way?
Is there someone in the wing that needs a job?
SUPERVISOR BRXNDT- I do not believe it is aimed at all, to the best of my
knowledge at providing a job for anyone in particular.
My own thinking, to make someone or some group responsible
for both funding and delivering road services. As it
stands right now the responsibility and authority is
split between the Town Board and the Highway Supt. This
is not good for either, I can see the Town Board' s
frustration and the Highway Supt. frustration. It makes
more sense to organize it so that someone is directly
responsible, it would have to be the Town Board since
they do appropriate the monies to also deliver the read
maintenance job.
PLINEY TUCKER- It looks to me that the American Voter is `Nosing a
little bit more of his power, you want to take one more
elective office that we have a cho*e to elect. I think
personally, Carl -Garb has been doing a terrific job.
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- I do not think that it is our intent to cridize bo to
look at the current job of the roads . . . this is strictly
a referendum for the people of Queensbury to express
themselves on how they feel about it.
PLINEY TUCKER- What is the cost to the taxpayers to have this referendum?
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- The timing can be in coordination with the sewer bond
or with other potential referendums or it can be in
conjunction with the general election so the cost does
not have to be additional to what you are already going
to incur, in an election process. This is strictly a
decision the Board has to make.
JOE MCPHILLIPS- I believe it is better to have five heads than one, the
( (Reardon Rd. ) Town Board sets up the Budget, the Town Board should be
able to direct and supervise what and where the monies
.- are spent, the full responsibility should be in the hands
of the Town Board.
HENRY PERRY- The present set up is an administrative nightmare,
(Cleverdale) Impossible to get an answer, the Councilman san not
answer because they have nothing to do with it. . .
The Town Board should control the financing etc. rig'_-t
now anyone can be elected whether they are qualified of
not. I am in favor of giving the entire responsibility
to the Town Board.
LES BAIRD- How many elected people do we have in the Town right
(Corinth Rd. ) now besides yourselves?
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Carl Garb and Two Justices
Donald Chase
COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON-
LES BAIRD- Questioned why the Town Board does not have
any control over the Supt. of Highways?
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- This is by law,The Supt. of Highways does not work
for the Town Board, he workd for the people directly.
The Town Board makes the budget for the year and
allocates the monies, for the highways .
LES BAIRD- If this is appointed will the man come from Oueensbury?
SUPERVISOR BRIIDT- Speaking for myself, I would look for the most talent,
for the best dollar. I would not put the top
emphasis if he was a resident, of the Town or not.
JOHN AUSTIN- I understand that the referendum might be held —�
in conjunction with the sewer referentbn I might
point out to you that Vbafd tlhg�_k part town referen-
dum, not all the town would be involved in the
sewer disc. I think that might create some confusion.
It seems to me that this is a matter that should be
considered by the electorate in terms of elections
and the only time really to have such a referendum
would be at the general election.
DAN GEALT- The Town Board has no effective control over the
(Ridge Rd. ) Highway Supt. other than funding, the Town Board
has no recourse?
COUNCILMAN OLSON- The Highway Supt. can hire his own employees , the
Town Board must pass on who Iae hires as office staff.
The funding is decided by the Town Board at Budget Time,
if the referendum passes it would take the majority
of the Town Board to choose someone , it is not a
position selected by the Supervisor along.
COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON- . How the Supt. spends the motniks allocated is strictly
his responsibility.
DAN GEALT- If this was appointed would the man have a free
hand to run the ,dept. or would he be second,
guessed all the time?
COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON- You can' t look over their shoulder every hour of every
day. . .you hire a man to do a job and judge his over
all performan^e, that is my opinion.
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- In my short time here I have not seen`thstt .alry Board
Member ever really tried to interject himself in making
a decisions for any employee of the Town.
DAN GEALT- Approve of the idea, of an appointment.
DON CLEMENTS- Is there na method for the Town Board to gain control
(Queensbury) over a Supt. ?
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- This is the only method, it is up to the people of the
town by referendum to decide if that is what they want.
DON CLEMENTS- Requestdd a copy of the Town Eav,in regard to
Highway Supp. and asked if the Law could be changed? '
COUNCILMAN BARBER- Through the Legislature.
ARCHIE CORRIGAN- 100% for making the position appointed. —.
(Glen Lake)
GLEN GREENO- No tin favor of appointed posit$an . , do not take
(Wt. Glens Falls) the power away from the voters. . .if the man it-
irresponsible we will take care of him at election
time. . .it is a good idea to keep the power in the
hands of the people.
COUNCILMAN BARBER- Most laws in respect to the Highway Supt. originated
in the early 1900' s . a Highway Supt. really doesn' t
have to come to work if he does not feel like it
(irrespective to Mr. Garb because it does not pertain
to Mr. Garb) we cannot be responsi3ie enough to the
testtiente
GLEN GREENO- Yourself, as a member of the Town Board are you
required co come to every meeting or are you taking
this as part of your responsibility as an elected
official?
COUNCILMAN BARBER- The latter.
GLEN GREENO- The Town Highway Supp. is under the same situation. . .
If this was appointed, questioned if the Town Board
could not join with the City for a joint highway
department? "
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- There is no legal mechanisic~° for that , I do not believe.
`J COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON- Under the law there has to be a Highway Supp.
GLEN GREENO- I would rather have the Highway Supt. responsible to
the people.
H. RUSSELL HARRIS- Commented that he has been on both sides of the fence
in his experience he noted that could not be convinced
that you five could do any better highway work than
a good supt. van on his own. . . felt that if the position
was appointed there would be too much petty influence
going ori: . . for 1400d government this should never go
to referendum. . .
DAN MORRELL- 1. Is the decision of whether there will be a
(Lynnfield 1W.) referendum the decision of the Town Board?
2. What will be the Salary if the position is
appointed?
COUNCILMAN OLSON- It is my understanding, after the public hearing
has been held it is the duty of the Town Board
to decide if there will be a referendum.
I have not as one person thought of any salary or
individual for the position.
DIANA BARBER- Are we going to maintain the salary?
HOUNCILMAN ROBERTSON- The salary of highway Supt. is considered once a year
at budget time. . .
JOHN AUSTIN- There has been some discussion regarding a Highway
Supt. that does not do his job, there is a provision
in the law that takes care of this.
COUNCILMAN BARBER- Section 160
ARTHUR TURNBULL- Commented that he felt the Town Board should take
over the duties of the Highway Supp. as a Highway
Commission, then see if they can agree on the problems,
they have not agreed in the past.
SYLVIA ROUGHER= Keep the position elected. . . too many of the position
(E. Sunnyside) that were elected are being taken away from us . . .
I do not feel that five people would be any better
at it ahan one . it would be easier to put one out
than five The Highway Supt. salary has to be
posted, if the position was appointed the people would
not know the salary until January.
PLINEY TUCKER- This looks Like a witch hunt, this looks like it is
going back to problems that Mr. Barber had with Mr.
Garb here a few years ago when you could not put any
sand on the roads and make it stay there. This guy
was hollering why the roads were not done.
COUNCILMAN BARBER- Again noted that he would not get involved in this
controversy :again and I have not . it has been
stated before there are no personalties and I have
not indicated any and I am not trying to nor will I.
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- Commented that if this was approved at the general
election it would not take effect for two years.
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PLINBY TUCKER- Commented that he had not heard anything about
Mr. Garb not doing his job.
HAROLD AKINS- Reviewed the checks and balances in government,
noted that it is the duty of the Town Board to
budget the monies and Carl' s job to nun the Highway
Dept. The thing that worries a great2hfimy,- people
is the t$adaacy in government to start centralizing
power in the hands of a few.
ISABELLE HARRIS- Question the Board that a professional would cost
a lot of money. . .an elected official who is
dedicated can do a good job. . .
GERALD NOONAN= In favor of a referendum—commented when there
(Chestnut Ridge Rd. ) is just one man and he says no there is no where
else to go. . .would prefer a board so that at least
there would be possible,- twonwould listen.,
DIANA BARBER- Questioned the Board if there was something that
an individual did not like about a department head
they could go to the Councilman and tell them their
problem?
COUNCILMAN OLSON- That is right. . .The Councilman would lice the problem
to the Department . . .
COUNCILMAN WAE'TER- Commented on - the Department heads elected vs. appointed
noted that she had referred calls to Carl and had
no difficulty but if he were to tell me he was not
interested there is nothing you can do about it.
BOB HICKEN- Questioned if any other position were mandated by
(Arbutus Dr. ) law?
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- Yes. There are many positions mandated by law.
BOB HICKEN- • When a position is appointed can it by referendum
become elected?
COUNCILMAN BARBER- Yes.
DON CLEMENTS- Commented that he felt the Goverment is going too
much into appointed position. . .
BETTY MONAHAN- Questioned if the Board was trying to tell the public
that the appointed departments in the town are moee
efficient and more productive and morefof our tax
dollar than the elected officials .
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- I do not think the board is trying to tell you
anything, just would you like the right to have
a referendum to choose to make a change or not to
make a change.
DAN GEALT- Commented that the meeting had changed his mind
in favor of an elected Highway Supt.
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- Close the Public Hearing 8:53 P.M.
RESOLUTIONS �..d
RESOLUTION TO TRANSFER FUNDS INVOLVING TOWN VEHICLES
RESOLUTION NO. 108. Introduced by Mr. Robert Barber who moved for its !_J
adoption, seconded by Mr. Hammond Robertson:
WHEREAS, there is no longer a need for a detective car, THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED, to sell the Detective Car to both the Office of the Fire Marshal
and the Office of the Assessor for the sum of $250.00 each.
Duly adopted by 'the following ante:
Ayes: Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber, Mrs. Walter, Mr. Robertson, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent: None
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RESOLUTION TO TRANSFER FUNDS INVOLVING TOWN VEHICLES
RESOLUTION NO. 109 Introduced by Mr. Robert Barber, who moved for- 118
adoption, seconded by Mr. Michel Brandt:
WHEREAS, there is no longer the need for a car being assigned to
the Police Department therefore be it
RESOLVED, to sell this car to the Building and Boning Department for
the sum of $500. 00.
Duly adopted by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber, Mrs. Walter, Mr. Robertson, Mr. Brandt
Noes: None
Absent: None
RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING MEMBERSHIP OF NON-RESIDENT MEMBERS IN THE WEST GLENS
FALLS VOLUNTEER FIRE CO.
RESOLUTION NO. 110, Introduced by Mr. Robert Barber who moved its adoption,
seconded y . r. Hammond Robertson:
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury approves continuation
as members of the West Glens Falls Volunteer Fire Co. the names of Richard
Seelye and Robert Donovan even though members are not residents of the territor,
defined within the corporation charter of the company.
Duly adopted by the following vote:
Ayes: Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber, Mrs, Walter, Mr. Robertson, Mr. Brandt
Noes : None
Absent: None
RESOLUTION TO DONDUDT A CARNIVAL
RESOLUTION NO. 111 Introduced by Mr. Daniel Olson who moved its adoption,
seconded y Mrs. Frances Walter:
RESOLVED, that permission is hereby granted to conduct a Carnival as
follows :
SPONSOR: West Glens Falls Fire Company
CARNIVAL: (Annual Field Day)
PLACE: Firemen' s Field
DATE: June 11th & June 12th
and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Town Clerk is hereby authorized and directed to
issue a permit to the aforesaid sponsor upon receipt of proof of
liability insurance in the amount of not less than $500,000/$1,000,000
bodily injury liability and $50, 000 property damage liabiliiy insurance.
`- Duly adopted by the following cute:
Ayes: Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber, Mrsa Walter, Mr, Robe�'.son, Mr. Brandt
' Noes : None
Absent: None
RESOLUTION REGARDING MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING
Councilman Walter-requested the tabling of the resolution until she had
further information. . .
COMMUNICATIONS
Ltr.
May 6, 1977
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Mr. Michael Brandt
Supervisor, Town of Queensbury
Queensbury Town Building
Glens Falls, New York
Dear Mr. Brandt:
We wish to express our appreciation to the Town of
Queensbury for the very informative fire safety programs
presented to our students of N.W. Bodenweiser, Town
Fire Marshal.
The presentations were very interesting and much
appreciated -by students and faculty alike.
Again, we wish to thank you for this program on
fire safety.
Respectfully,
/s/
WPB/rj William P. Brady
5/6/77 Elementary School Principal
Ltr. received from D.O.T. regarding the traffic control device-*n Aviation
Road
it Maximum school speed limits at which vehicles may procedd
on or along county roads and town highways in Warren County are established
as follows:
Section 1652. 10 Town of Queensbury
(a) 25 MPH on Aviation Road, a town highway, adjacent to the Queensbury
Schoold, between a point 100 feet west of Midnight Drive and a point 50 feet
east of east building line of the Queensbury Gaade School , a distance of
2500 feet.
Pursuant to Section 1180 (c) of the Vehicle and Traffic Law, this
school speed limit is in effect during the school noon hour, school
recess, or while children are going to or leaving shhool during opening
or closing hours .
Ltr.
May 2, 1977
Mr. Mike R. Brandt, Supervisor
Town of Queensbury
Bay Road
Glens Falls , N.Y. 12801
Dear Mr. Brandt:
As a homeowner and as Treasurer of the Old Orchard Park
Association, I want to thank the people responsible for
cleaning the streets in our area.
They did a great job sweeping up the winter debris, and it
greatly improves the general appearance of our neighborhood.
In addition, this action by the Town gives the residents
added incentive to keep the Wincrest Drive Mall and their
own property neat.
Again, thanks.
Sincerely,
/s/
Edwin F. Knoblock
Ltr.
May 6, 1977
Town Board
Queensbury Town Building
Bay and Haviland Roads
Glens Falls , New York 12801
Gentlemen:
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The membership of the Bay Ridge Volunteer Fire
company voted unanimously at the March 7, 1977 meeting
to request that the Town of Queensbury have a referendum
in connection with the November elections, to permit the
non-profit organizations in the Town of Queensbury to
have games of chance for fund-raising events.
We would appreciate your consideration of this
request and notification of your decision on this matter.
Sincerely,
/s/
Susan M. France
Recording Secretary
RD#1 Tee Hill Road
Glens Falls, New York 12801
Councilman Olson-waived the reading of the monthly repots
The follwwing reports were placed on file.
Town Clerk-April, 1997
Building & Zoning-April, 1977
Dog Warden, 1977, April
Councilman Olson- in regard to the D.O.T. letter on Speed limit on Aviation Rd.
Mr. Garb will paint the cross walks in as soon as the weather permits also
he is looking into purchasing locally two speed limit signs and flashing
lights.
Councilman Barber- commented on the recent savings in insurance that
was achieved by Mr. Winnie and Mr. Flaherty—approximately 5 ,000
OPEN FORUM 9: 05 P.M.
ARTHUR TURNBULL- Commented on the need for a P.A. System in the
Board room.
LES BAIRD- Commented on the 64 Acres on the Corinth Road
owned by the Town hoped that this could be make
into nature trails, ball field etc.
Noted that he felt it was discriminktion in regard
to trailers on private lands vs. courts as per the
age of the trailers allowed. . .
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- I have discussed this with the Town Attorney,,'azid I
do agree with you it is treating different people in
different ways and it seems to me a violation of the
14th amendment. It is up to us to look for a change
in the ordinance.
GLEN GREENO- Requested that the Board look more closely at the
regulations placed on the use of private property.
ARTHUR TURNBULL- Questioned if the Board had any figures on the Town
Sewer Dist. and Town Costs?
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- We do not, expect to have figures 1py the end of the
month for part of the district. . . rough figures would
be 100. 00 dollars per resident per year for the Town
District. . .
COUNCILMAN WALTER- I think when you are going to decide on June 7th that
you should have the total picture of what it is going
to cost, Town and County Costs. . .we should provide those
titures, and we will be before the referendum.
COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON- Noted for the public that the reason that the Town' s
figures are running close to the dead line was becasse
the figttes did not come to us until the later part
of February.
LES BAM- Who are our engineers?
COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON- Rist Frost
�G
DAN GEALT- Oueatiioned how long after the referendum is passed
before changes in the plans can be made, such as for
expansion?
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- I think that you can do it contractually, immediately
if necessary, special benefit district can be expanded.
LES BAIRD- Questioned if the District was turned down could the
Town on a smaller version place a sewer dist. in ?
COUNCILMAN ROBERTSON- No way. . . too expensive. . .
SUMMVISOR BRANDT- Noted the possibility of losing 75% funding. . .
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UNKNOWN- Questioned fiche the Town was to pay for the _
Town District?
SUPERVISOR BRANDT- We will have to pay our capital casts the County -✓
tax will take care of the operation of the plant
. . the cost expense will ka-Ve to be Aigured before
the Ttmr'referendum. . . the way it will be paid for. . .
LES BAIRD- Questioned whp would inspect hook up' s?
COUNCILMAANN WALTER- We will have to have a sewage dept.in the Town.
maintenance etc.
RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AUDIT OF BILLS
RESOLUTION NO. 112 , Introduced by Mr.Hammond Robertson who moved
or its adlp—tfon, seconded by Mr. Michel Brandt
RESOLVED, that Audit of Bills as lister' on Abstract No. 77-5A and
numbered 475 through 583 and totaling $55 , 003.91 be approved.
Duly adopted by the following vote: j
Ayes : Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber, Mrs. Walter, Mr. Robertson, Mr. Brandt --�
Noes : None
Absent: None
On motion the meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Donald A. Chase
Town Clerk
SPECIAL MEETING MAY 17 , 1977
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Michel Brandt-Supervisor
Daniel Olson-Councilman'
Robert Barber-Councilman
Frances Walter-Councilman
Hammond Robertson-Councilman
PRESS: Tri County News, WWSC, Glens Fa11s' Post Star
GUESTS: Mr. Harrison Winnie, Mrs. Sylvia Dougher, Mrs. Shenk {
Meeting Opened: 7: 32 P.M.
Salute to the Flag led by Councilman Robertson
RESOLUTIONS
RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT BID FOR DUCTILE IRON PIPE
RESOLUTION 0__0__1,, Introduced by Mr. Hammond Robertson who moved its
a option, seconded by Mrs. Frances Walter:
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