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10-21-2014 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING FIRST REGULAR MEETING OCTOBER 21,2014 INDEX Subdivision No. 3-2012 Doug Coon 1. SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS Tax Map No. 296.12-1-12, 13, 14,and 25 Subdivision No. 2-2014 Joseph Leuci 2. PRELIMINARY STAGE Tax Map No. 301.15-1-19 FINAL STAGE Site Plan No. 32-2014 Wayne Mattison 3. Tax Map No. 303.19-1-40, 41 Site Plan No. 61-2014 Fritz&Mary Stefanzick 9. Tax Map No. 240.6-1-11 Site Plan No. 62-2014 Philip &Lorraine Birmingham 12. Tax Map No. 289.14-1-6 DISCUSSION ITEM Charles J. Kane, III, BSK Enterprises, Inc. 14. Tax Map No. 302.5-1-94 THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES (IF ANY) AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES. 0 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING FIRST REGULAR MEETING OCTOBER 21,2014 7:00 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT STEPHEN TRAVER,ACTING CHAIRMAN DONALD KREBS, SECRETARY PAUL SCHONEWOLF DAVID DEEB THOMAS FORD BRAD MAGOWAN JAMIE WHITE,ALTERNATE LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI MR. TRAVER-Good evening and welcome to the Queensbury Planning Board meeting. There are agendas on the back table for those of you in the audience who would like to see our agenda for this evening. To begin with we have some administrative items, starting with the approval of minutes from our August 19th and August 26th meeting. MOTION TO APPROVE THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 19TH AND AUGUST 26TH, 2014, Introduced by Donald Krebs who moved for its adoption, seconded by Paul Schonewolf: Duly adopted this 21St day of October, 2014, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Krebs, Ms.White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr.Traver NOES: NONE ABSTAINED: Mr. Magowan MR.TRAVER-Okay,and we have an Administrative Item for Doug Coon. ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM: S133-2012: DOUG COON-SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS FOR PURPOSES OF SEQR REVIEW JON LAPPER, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MR. LAPPER-Good evening. We've been here to talk to you about this conceptually, and now we've submitted. So this is a 17 lot grandfathered subdivision that we're trying to change into a four lot subdivision,a less is more theory. So,but because it's a Type I action it needs coordinated review. MR. TRAVER-Right. So we'll be sending out notice to the other agencies asking their approval for us to be Lead Agency,and then you'll come back and we'll do SEQR and go from there. MR. LAPP ER-Recommendation for the Zoning Board. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Do you have anything else to add this evening? MR. LAPPER-No. MRS. M00 RE-Clarification. It's an Unlisted action. It's not a realty subdivision. So,but we're still seeking Lead Agency Status for the Planning Board. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you, Laura. All right. Do we have a motion to request Lead Agency Status? RESOLUTION REQUESTING LEAD AGENCY STATUS FOR AV# 71-2014&SB # 3-2012 DOUG COON 1 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) WHEREAS, the applicant proposes: Applicant proposes subdivision of a 15.59 acre parcel with lots ranging in size from 1.16 to 10.16 acres to create 4 new building lots and retain lot with existing residence and horse farm. Subdivision: Pursuant to Chapter A-183 of the Zoning Ordinance subdivision of land shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Freshwater Wetlands: Construction within 100 feet of a designated wetland requires Planning Board review and approval. Variances: Relief requested for minimum lot size, road frontage, and density requirements of the MDR zone. Planning Board may acknowledge Lead Agency status, conduct SEQR review and provide a recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals. WHEREAS, the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury has determined to begin an environmental review process under the State Environmental Quality Review Act(SEQRA). WHEREAS, the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury has identified the project to be a Type I action for purposes of SEQR review pursuant to 6 NYCRR 617. WHEREAS, the Planning Board is the agency most directly responsible for approving the action because of its responsibility for approving the land uses for the property. NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, the Planning Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby indicates its desire to be lead agency for SEQRA review of this action and authorizes and directs the Zoning Administrator to notify any other potentially involved agencies of such intent. That Part I of the SEQRA form will be sent to the following agencies: Town of Queensbury Zoning Board of Appeals, NYS DEC, NYS DOH; MOTION TO SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS IN CONNECTION WITH AREA VARIANCE 71 -2014. SUBDIVISION 3-2012 & FRESHWATER WETLANDS 4-2014 DOUG COON, Introduced by Donald Krebs who moved for its adoption,seconded by Brad Magowan: As per the draft resolution prepared by staff. Duly adopted this 21st day of October 2014 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Magowan, Ms.White, Mr. Krebs, Mr. Ford, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr.Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. See you in the near future. We also have, one of the applicant's on tonight's agenda, Subdivision 2-2014 for Joseph Leuci, has requested a one week tabling until next Tuesday night's meeting of the Town of Queensbury Planning Board. SUBDIVISION NO. 2-2014 PRELIMINARY & FINAL STAGE JOSEPH LEUCI AGENT(S) NACE ENGINEERING OWNER(S) FOOTHILL BUILDERS,LLC ZONING MDR LOCATION PEGGY ANN ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES SUBDIVISION OF A 14.8 +/- ACRE LOT INTO NO MORE THAN 16 LOTS WITH A MINIMUM OF 0.85 PER ACRE AS APPROVED BY AREA VARIANCE 61-2014. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER A-183 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE A SUBDIVISION SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE AV 61-2014 LOT SIZE 14.8 +/-ACRES TAX MAP NO. 301.15-1-19 SECTION CHAPTER A-183 MR. TRAVER-Is there any discussion regarding that request by members of the Board? Laura, do you have anything that you wanted comment on that? MRS. MOORE-The applicant and the applicant's representative have asked for the tabling, due to absentee for this evening. MR.TRAVER-Okay. MR. MAGOWAN-How do we look for the 28th? MRS.MOORE-That's fine. MR.TRAVER-Yes. It's not bad. All right. Then can we have a tabling motion? MR. KREBS-Yes. RESOLUTION TABLING SB # 2-2014 JOSEPH LEUCI 2 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) A subdivision application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following: Applicant proposes subdivision of a 14.8 +/- acre lot into 18 lots ranging in size from 1.46 to 0.58 +/- acres. Subdivision: Pursuant to Chapter A-183 of the Zoning Ordinance a subdivision shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Variances: Relief requested from density,lot size, lot width requirements of the MDR zone. Planning Board may acknowledge Lead Agency Status, may conduct SEQR review and may provide a recommendation to the ZBA. SEQR Negative Declaration approved on 9-23-2014; PB provided a recommendation to the ZBA on 9-23-2014; the ZBA approved the variance requests on 9-24-2014; A public hearing was scheduled and held on 9-23-2014 and re-advertised for 10-21-2014 due to the change per the zoning decision; The applicant has requested to be tabled to the 10-28-2014 meeting; MOTION TO TABLE SUBDIVISION 2-2014 JOSEPH LEUCI, Introduced by Donald Krebs who moved its adoption seconded by Brad Magowan: Tabled to 10-28-2014. Duly adopted this 21st day of October 2014 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Magowan, Ms.White, Mr. Krebs, Mr. Ford, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr.Traver NOES: NONE MRS.MOORE-And the public hearing is being left open. MR.TRAVER-Thank you, Laura,and that was open from the previous meeting as well,right? MRS.MOORE-Yes. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Very good. All right,and the first item on our regular agenda is a tabled item. TABLED ITEM SITE PLAN NO. 32-2014 SEQR TYPE II WAYNE MATTISON AGENT(S) MICHAEL J. O'CONNOR, ESQ. OWNER(S) MICHAEL LARSON; SHARON WELLS ZONING CLI LOCATION LWR. WARREN ST.; GREEN AVE. APPLICANT PROPOSES CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY AUTO USE FACILITY FOR REPAIR AND SALES OF AUTOMOBILES. AUTOMOBILE SERVICES IS AN ALLOWABLE USE IN THE CLI ZONE. USE VARIANCE APPROVED FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AUTOMOBILE SERVICE IN A CLI ZONE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE UV 33-14 WARREN CO. REFERRAL MAY 2014-NO COUNTY IMPACT LOT SIZE 0.11, 0.36 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 303.19-1-40,41 SECTION 179-3-040 MICHAEL O'CONNOR&TOM HUTCHINS, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MR.TRAVER-Laura? MRS. MOORE-The applicant proposes to construct a 1,320 square foot building and associated site work on two existing vacant lots zoned Commercial Light Industrial for auto sales and service. The applicant has received a Use Variance for the sales of vehicles, and that approval was given on June 18th. The Board should consider conditions for parcels to be merged and designating number and location of sales vehicles and/or cars to be worked on. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening. MR. O'CONNOR-Good evening. I'm Michael O'Connor for the purpose of your record, from the law firm of Little & O'Connor. I represent the applicant and the applicant is here with me on my left, Wayne Mattison. The project engineer is Tom Hutchins, who is also here. We looked at Staff comments. We don't have a great deal of problem with them. This is a piece of property on Lower Warren Street across from the cement company. We were here before and had the Board make a 3 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) recommendation for a Use Variance. The Zoning Board granted that Use Variance, and we have since been trying to design the project for the parcel. The only comments that we would address, and Tom will probably address them in more detail than I will, comments by Chazen. Unfortunately we received those comments this morning at 8:30. So we have not submitted maps that would be in response to those,but we think that we can probably respond to them. If you take a look at the Chazen letter dated October 13th, their first comment is really just a statement. It really doesn't ask us to do anything in that. The second comment speaks about the fact that the driveway may give some sheet runoff to Warren Street, but that's something that does require a New York State Department of Highway permit, and their engineers will actually review that driveway and will, as they state here, make sure that we don't have any sheet runoff, and we do have land adjacent to the area where the driveway attaches to the road where we can accommodate that. I would ask you in your consideration to leave that to the New York State Department of Highway, and I think it'll be adequately handled, and Tom can address this better than I can. Comment Number Three,this is on Town Water so I don't think there is a separation issue between septic and water supply. Comment Number Five,which I will address,there will be no floor drains. So I'd ask Tom to address Comment Number Four, which talks about guttering the building, I believe,which we'd have no objection to as a condition. MR. HUTCHINS-Yes, Comment Four addresses the proximity of the wastewater system to some stormwater trench we have in the back of the building. In looking at it again, it probably wasn't the best approach and what we'd do is remove that trench and put a separate structure guttered away from the wastewater system. I also have a fair degree of safety within the design of the wastewater system. I can make it smaller. I thought about making it smaller initially. So, we're not going to have to make it smaller. I'm going to try to keep it the same size, and we're just going to get that stormwater out of there, and we'll probably put that stormwater in the same location where DOT's asking for a small device,to the east of the entrance onto the road. MR.TRAVER-Of the driveway. MR. HUTCHINS-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So in looking at these engineering comments, you're confident that you can reach an agreement with the engineer such that you can obtain a signoff. MR. HUTCHINS-Yes. MR.TRAVER-Okay. MR. FORD-Procedural question. Laura, can you explain why it took eight days for the Chazen letter to reach the applicant? MRS. MOORE-I'm not aware that, usually once we receive them they're forwarded to the applicant, and I don't know what the process was where it was delayed. So it's usually a quick turnaround time once we get them. MR. O'CONNOR-I have an e-mail from Pam Whiting,just for your record, 8:51 this morning. That's all I've got for the comments. Pam Whiting is the secretary for the Planning Department. MR. KREBS-Right. MR.TRAVER-All right. Anything else that you want to add? I know we've reviewed this. MR. O'CONNOR-If you have questions,we'd be glad to answer them. MR. KREBS-It's pretty straightforward. MR.TRAVER-Anything from members of the Board for the applicant? MR. FORD-I just want to appeal to Laura to see if there isn't something that can be done to speed up this process. I find this unacceptable. MRS. MOORE-Generally the minute we receive it it gets turned around. I can't explain why it wasn't. So, I mean, once I see it, it's handled at Staff level, it's turned around and given to the applicant. 4 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR.TRAVER-So it sounds as though the delay was on the part of Chazen. They may have dated the letter but not sent it on that day. MRS. MOORE-I'll have to look back at when the e-mails came through. So, right now I don't know when that was. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Well,if you can inquire of them to try to streamline the process. MRS.MOORE-That's unusual. MR. FORD-Thank you. MR. DEEB-It's not a common occurrence. MRS.MOORE-It is not. MR. DEEB-No. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Any questions or comments or concerns on the part of the members with regards to the application as it stands? MR. DEEB-Are you going to try to delineate the parking spots that was in Staff comments? MR. HUTCHINS-Yes,we've delineated the parking. MR. DEEB-You're going to have for repair,for sales, and employee parking? MR. HUTCHINS-Yes. MR. DEEB-There weren't that many parking spots on there. MR. HUTCHINS-There aren't, no, there aren't a lot of employees envisioned. There's not an abundance of parking spots, but, yes, they will set something up to have employee's park in designated areas,yes. MR. DEEB-How many vehicles do you anticipate to have for sale? WAYNE MATTISON MR. MATTISON-Probably like six to eight at one time. I'm not going to do a ton of service work, mostly on my own cars that will be on my own lot, and small service work here and there. MR. DEEB-But you're going to have a New York State repair station? MR. MATTISON-Yes. MR. DEEB-Okay. MR. MATTISON-I'll have the dealership licensed and the New York State. MR. DEEB-Good luck. MRS. MOORE-My question is, when I talk about display cars is that typically I'm looking for where they're located on the lot versus, if they're located in the green area or not. So if you're displaying cars on the green area, then we need to know those locations or if you're designating it in the parking area,then that's fine as well. I just want to make sure there's. MR. MATTISON-Parking spots. MRS. MOORE-Yes,just for clarification. So it's not taking up, all the green space that's out there is all display cars. MR. O'CONNOR-We can do that when we submit the plan for signature. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Is that acceptable to members of the Board? 5 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. DEEB-Yes. MR. TRAVER-And with regards to the engineering comments, the applicant has represented that they feel confident they can meet those, they can respond to all these in an affirmative way, and as we know,engineer signoff is required. Does anyone have a problem with moving forward with this application on those grounds? MR. FORD-No. MR. KREBS-No. MR.TRAVER-No other questions? Okay. MRS.MOORE-You still have a public hearing open. MR. TRAVER-Yes. We do have a public hearing that actually is still open on this project. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted to speak to this application? Yes, we have at least one individual that wanted to speak. Thank you, Laura. Good evening. PUBLIC HEARING OPEN JOSEPH WALKUP MR. WALKUP-Good evening. My name's Joseph Walkup. I own the property to the left. How many cars will he be, is this going to be big enough to have cars where he's selling cars,having cars that he's working on, is there going to be enough room? Because I have a problem thinking that he's going to use my property to put cars on. MR. TRAVER-I'm sorry, what was the last part again? You're concerned that he's going to put cars on your property? MR.WALKUP-Yes. MR.TRAVER-Okay. We can certainly. MR. WALKUP-Because it doesn't, if you're down there, and you look, it's not a big enough piece of property. I don't know the size of the building he's putting on. It was a three bay. Is it still a three bay? MR. MATTISON-It's a two bay. MR.WALKUP-A two bay now. Okay. How many cars,like he said,with the employees, how many cars he's going to be, put there for the employees, how many cars he's going to have there for sale, and how many cars he's going to have there to work on, and if the building's big,you know, it's not that big. I've just got concerns about cars being on my property. MR. TRAVER-Sure. Well, we're certainly not approving or reviewing an application that involves vehicles on someone else's property. So you can be rest assured that's not something that we're looking at,and it's not something the applicant is proposing. MR. WALKUP-Yes, I understand that, but that's what they say, okay, when it gets built and things start moving,he starts selling cars,he gets more cars,you know, I pay taxes there. I don't want his cars on my property. I've seen one, you know, that's directly across from my house, and it's happening there. I see these guys got their cars on another man's property. He's open for the season. Once he closes down, you see those guys put the cars on there. I'm not trying to turn anybody in,but I don't want that happening to me. MR.TRAVER-Sure. Well,you certainly have the right to protect your own property rights and your own interests. So should that happen, you need to report that to the authorities, but that's not something that we're addressing tonight because the applicant isn't representing that that's what they intend to do. MR.WALKUP-Okay. MR. TRAVER-So if that becomes an issue, you certainly are entitled to call the Town and complain about it. 6 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR.WALKUP-Now I see,now the septic and everything,he's having his septic tapped into the water and sewer lines that are going through there now? He doesn't have to have a septic? MR.TRAVER-I believe this application has septic on site. There's. MR. KREBS-But it is connected to the water. MR.TRAVER-What's that? MR. KREBS-I think it is connected to public water. MR. MAGOWAN-Is there sewer there,Joe? MR. TRAVER-Yes, I believe it is Town water, but the septic, because it would be anticipated this would be minimal,this is not a residential setting. MR.WALKUP-Okay. MR. TRAVER-So the septic is on site. It's also subject to examination by the Town Engineer and approval. So there is a check on the engineering side to make sure that the design elements for wastewater, stormwater, all those kinds of things have to meet all the Code and requirements and in addition to review by this body,the Town Engineer has to sign off on those plans as submitted to the Town,and it also has to be built according to those plans. MR.WALKUP-Okay. I have no problems with a man trying to open and business and do it, I just. MR.TRAVER-Sure. MR.WALKUP-I mean,that's what it's here for. MR. KREBS-And if, in fact, it does happen that they're on your property, then you come to Craig Brown,the Administrator, and inform him that that's not what the site plan said originally,because it certainly doesn't say that he has any right to park on your property. MR.WALKUP-I understand that. MR.TRAVER-Yes, I mean,that would be an enforcement action. MR. WALKUP-I just don't see that piece of land big enough for what he wants to do. If it is, more power to him. MR. KREBS-Well,it's not a very big place. It's only 1320 square feet. So it's not a very big building. MR.WALKUP-I've been there. I've been there all my life. MR. KREBS-Okay. MR.WALKUP-So I know how big it is. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Anything else? MR.WALKUP-No,that's it. Thank you. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. MR.WALKUP-More power to him. Good luck. MR. TRAVER-Is there anyone else in the audience that wants to speak to the Board about this application? No? Okay. Then the applicant can come back up to the table. MR. O'CONNOR-Thank you. Just for the record, there's no intent to park on somebody else's property. In fact, if you look at the common boundary line, there's a drainage swale there that separates the parking from his property, if I understood where his property was, that he was speaking of. 7 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. TRAVER-Okay. So there's a clear, sort of geographic indicator where that property line is that would probably make it pretty obvious if there was. MR. O'CONNOR-Yes,there will be. MR. TRAVER-Okay, but you understand the concern that came out in the public comment, but you're, again, your application does not reflect the use of another person's property and it's not your intent to. Okay. Well, you've gotten a clear message tonight from that public comment that there will be vigilance to that effect. So try to adhere to that. Anything else? Anything else from the Board? Okay. I guess we're ready to. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP# 32-2014 WAYNE MATTISON A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following: Applicant proposes construction of a one story Auto Use facility for repair and sale of automobiles. Automobile Services is an allowable use in the CLI zone; Use Variance approved for Automobile Sales. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance Automobile Service in a CLI zone shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. SEQR Type II; PB provided a recommendation to the ZBA on 6-17-14; the ZBA approved the Use Variance request on 6-18-14; A public hearing was advertised and held on 6-26-14 and tabled to 10-21-14; This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in the file of record; MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 32-2014 WAYNE MATTISON, Introduced by Donald Krebs who moved for its adoption,seconded by Thomas Ford: This is per the resolution prepared by Staff, pointing out that engineering signoff prior to signature of the Zoning Administrator of the approved plans. 1) Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; 2) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff, 3) Engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; 4) If curb cuts are being added or changed a driveway permit is required. A building permit will not be issued until the approved driveway permit has been provided to the Planning Office; 5) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel. 6) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work. 7) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution 8) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy. Duly adopted this 21St day of October, 2014,by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Ford, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Krebs, Mr. Magowan, Ms.White, Mr.Traver NOES: NONE 8 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR.TRAVER-And I notice I neglected to close the public hearing,but I guess in passing the motion, I closed the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. O'CONNOR-We thank you. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Good luck. Okay. Next on our agenda we have a tabled item that we're going to re-open tonight,and this will also involve a public hearing. OLD BUSINESS REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARING: SITE PLAN NO. 61-2014 SEQR TYPE II FRITZ & MARY STEFANZICK OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR LOCATION 43 HANNEFORD ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES REMOVAL AND RECONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE ADDITION. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179- 3-040 & 17-13-010 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE IN A CEA SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE AV 69-2014 WARREN CO. REFERRAL SEPTEMBER 2014-NO COUNTY IMPACT APA, CEA, OTHER L G PARK CEA, APA & NWI WETLANDS LOT SIZE 0.40 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 240.6-1-11 SECTION 179-3-040, 179-13-010 FRITZ STEFANZICK, PRESENT MRS. MOORE-The applicant proposes a partial rehab and new construction for an existing garage. The garage is 536 square feet where an additional 40 square feet is to be added to the overall structure. This brings it to 576 square feet. The floor plans show a portion of the garage to be concrete block as 12 ft. x 24 ft. that is to remain. The remaining wood frame portion is to be removed and replaced with the addition to square off the structure. The applicant has received a variance approval on 9/24 in reference to the height, and the height has been reduced from the original proposal to now 21 feet 9 inches as approved by the Zoning Board. The project occurs within 50 feet of 15% slope and expansion of a nonconforming structure is triggering the site plan review. The Board may consider the waivers as requested. Thank you. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Good evening. MR. STEFANZICK-Hi. Good evening. I'm Fritz Stefanzick. Just as a recap of Laura's point,this is a garage upgrade. I do plan on knocking down half the project right now it's in disrepair and re- building that and connecting it to the existing garage. It's going to be on the same footprint that the existing garage is on now with the exception of 40 additional square feet to square off the structure. It's going to be on the same grading and all of that. I think I was here with this Board and the Zoning Board. It would enhance significantly the aesthetics of not only the property but of the neighborhood. What I have included here is a Page Two of this package, if I could. This was the original sketch that was provided to this Board, and what I did, I just included, I just circled where the Zoning Board, the Zoning Board also saw this, and I just included where the Zoning Board had agreed to the variance, but requested me to reduce the height from 23 feet 9 inches down to 21.9 inches,to show that. MR.TRAVER-Two feet shorter than what you had. MR. STEFANZICK-Yes, and just to show that compliance on the first page on this concept from Williams and Williams, I show that it's down to 21 feet 9 inches. MR. TRAVER-Okay, and other than that, it's basically the same application that we heard before, right? Okay. Anything else at this point? MR. STEFANZICK-No,sir. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Questions from members of the Planning Board? I know we looked at this prior to making a recommendation to the ZBA. It's slightly more compliant now with the reduction in height. MR. KREBS-And the ZBA has given them their approval. MR.TRAVER-Yes,they did receive the variance. This is open for,the public hearing is still open on this project. Is there anyone in the audience that wants to talk to the Board regarding this application? Good evening. 9 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) PUBLIC HEARING OPEN CHRIS NAVITSKY MR. NAVITSKY-Good evening. Chris Navitsky, Lake George Water Keeper. We have no objections with the project, but we feel that there should not be a waiver for stormwater management, especially for projects within the Critical Environmental Area around Lake George. There's a need to maximize stormwater management wherever possible, wherever possible around the lake, to reduce the flow of nutrients to the lake. We understand there are numerous sources of stormwater management. Some larger. We feel there's a need to address it wherever we can. Especially in Warner Bay. Warner Bay is a very productive Bay. Highly productive,meaning that there's a lot of nutrients in the water and promotes a lot of growth, and we're battling Eurasian Water Milfoil there. This summer has spent $31,000 in Warner Bay harvesting Eurasian Water Milfoil and we have removed eight tons of milfoil,but we have a long way to go so we feel that in any manner if it's possible to incorporate stormwater management on projects that are proposed in front of the Board as we work on other sources, that would be appreciated. So thank you for your consideration. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. If the applicant can comeback to the table. MR. STEFANZICK-I do,just for the record, agree with Chris. This is the first time I've met Chris,but I do agree with Chris about the importance of maintaining and keeping Warner Bay clean. I've been there for six years and that's one of my biggest concerns also, to make sure that whatever we do, whatever any neighbors do, we maintain, you know, and improve the quality of Warner Bay, especially since that's a little bit on the edge. I would like to note that this project, at the end, is not going to be any different than what's existing there right now. So there's not going to be any additional storm drainage or anything like that. MR. KREBS-And I said this to Chris before, so he'll be used to it, but,you know, what we need to do is address the real problems, and if you look at Warner Bay, on the first mile of the Pilot Knob Road, there are six water catches from, coming down the hill, and there's no filtration and they go into pipes that go directly under the road and dump directly into Warner Bay. So addressing those is what we really need to do, okay. We need to correct that problem. All of them, but certainly that contribution from the roadway and from the side of the hill, I mean, I, at one point owned a cottage on Hanneford Road, so I know it well, and that needs to be addressed. We want to address yours, too,but we certainly need to address the majors. MR. FORD-I concur with Mr. Krebs'observations. MR. SCHONEWOLF-I do, too, and when we get some scientific reports from the Jefferson Project, we'll know exactly what's in that water there. MR. STEFANZICK-That's the septic project? MR. SCHONEWOLF-The Jefferson Project. It was between IBM and RPI that's going on now. That'll give you scientific proof of what's in the water. You won't have to guess. MR. MAGOWAN-But are you going to be re-paving? I see that you have a paved driveway there already. MR. STEFANZICK-It's a paved driveway. I anticipate about 200 square feet of gravel after the project gets done, but then I will re-pave that 200 square foot, and that all that information was included as part of the area and the changes in the permeability and all of that, when we did the calculations. MR.TRAVER-Getting back to the issue of stormwater management, can you describe, are there any, do you have, for example, eaves trenches around the roofline? I know you're not, you're building on the same footprint. You're not proposed adding anything, but are there any features on the property now to handle stormwater? MR. STEFANZICK-Right now, from where that garage is, it all absorbs into the ground. Anything that comes off of the roof goes into the ground. There is,between the garage and the road, I would say there is some sort of a gulley or such that anything that comes off the water goes into one of those six, I'm not sure what you call them that go into Lake George,but that's what's there. MR. SCHONEWOLF-They're like storm sewers. 10 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. STEFANZICK-Storm sewers. That's there right now. MR. SCHONEWOLF-They have little red tags on them so you can find them when you're walking. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So basically stormwater goes into the existing sort of municipal stormwater system that's there. MR. STEFANZICK-Right. MR.TRAVER-Okay. All right. Thank you. Anything else? MR. STEFANZICK-No,sir. MR. TRAVER-All right. Anything else from members of the Board on this project? I'll close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR.TRAVER-Go ahead. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP# 61-2014 FRITZ&MARY STEFANZICK A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following: Applicant proposes removal and re-construction of a garage addition. Pursuant to 179-3-040 & 179-13-010 of the Zoning Ordinance expansion of a non-conforming structure in a CEA shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. SEQR Type II -no further review required; PB made a recommendation to the ZBA on 9-23-2014; the ZBA approved the variance request on 9- 24-14; A public hearing was advertised and held on 10-21-2014; This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in the file of record; MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 61-2014 FRITZ & MARY STEFANZICK, Introduced by Donald Krebs who moved for its adoption,seconded by David Deeb: As per the resolution prepared by Staff. 1) Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; 2) Waiver requests granted: private & public areas, lighting, signage, stormwater plan, 2 ft. contours,landscaping,land use districts,traffic,soil logs,snow removal; 3) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel. 4) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work. 5) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution Duly adopted this 21st day of October, 2014,by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Ford, Ms.White, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Krebs, Mr.Traver NOES: NONE MR.TRAVER-All right. You're all set. Good luck. 11 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. STEFANZICK-Great. Thank you. I appreciate your time. NEW BUSINESS: SITE PLAN NO. 62-2014 SEQR TYPE II PHILIP & LORRAINE BIRMINGHAM AGENT(S) HUTCHINS ENGINEERING OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR LOCATION 59 FITZGERALD ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 960 SQ. FT. (FOOTPRINT) SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND ATTACH IT TO THE EXISTING MODERN DETACHED GARAGE AND CONVERT EXISTING CABIN TO AN OPEN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-6-060 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 50 FEET OF 15% SLOPES SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SP 14-96 4-16-96; A V 14-96 3-20-96; BP 08-326 DECK, BP 96-210 2 CAR GARAGE APA, CEA, OTHER GLEN LAKE CEA, NWI WETLANDS LOT SIZE 0.63 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 289.14-1-6 SECTION 179-6-060 TOM HUTCHINS, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MRS. MOORE-Okay. The applicant proposes to construct a 960 square foot footprint home that is to be attached to an existing 902 square foot footprint garage. The new home will be two stories with the main floor connection from the garage, the proposed living room area and the master bedroom. The ground floor will contain two bedrooms, family room area and attached to the existing garage basement area. The applicant proposes to convert and reduce an existing cabin building to storage shed of 500 sq. ft. The plans include placing a stone path from the home to an existing deck area this includes boulder retaining walls for a portion of the property at the north- side of the property. These activities, 50 ft. of 15% slopes, is what's triggering the site plan review. The applicant has requested waivers for items that are not associated with residential projects,this includes signage. MR.TRAVER-All right. Thank you, Laura. Good evening. MR. HUTCHINS-Good evening. I'm Tom Hutchins here with Phil Birmingham,and his wife Lorraine is here as well. This is,the Birmingham's have owned this property for almost three years, and they looked at a number of options as to improving it. They looked at removing the existing structure and building down on the lower level. I presume if you've driven by the property you realize there's an upper level and a lower level and with a step down to the lake, and in between is very steep. Access down to the lower level is by easement across a neighboring property, and even with that it's still quite a steep access. So what they've decided to do is build the residence adjacent to an existing garage that is on the upper level near the road. It's probably the simplest place to build on the site, and we've put together a site plan that shows the residence. It's a 960 square foot footprint. It's two story, and actually part of the residence expands into what is presently the garage. So we think it's a relatively efficient use of the space and a way to get a modern structure on the property,and with that I think we'll turn it over to the Board for questions. MR.TRAVER-Okay. All right. Board members,questions for the applicant on this project? MR. SCHONEWOLF-I agree. I don't think you have much choice. If you're going to build,you've got to build up there. MR. TRAVER-Yes, it is very steep there. Yes. Anything else? This is subject to a public hearing. So we'll open the public hearing on this project. Is there anyone in the audience that wants to address the Board on this application? PUBLIC HEARING OPENED MR. TRAVER-Not seeing anyone. Okay. No questions or concerns, members of the Planning Board? Are we ready to move forward on this application? MR. KREBS-I mean,they've set it back almost as far as they possibly could. MR.TRAVER-Yes. MR. FORD-Exactly. MR.TRAVER-All right. I'm not hearing any concerns. 12 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MS. WHITE-The cabin's going to be storage. The existing cabin's going to remain, correct? It's down on the lower end? PHILIP BIRMINGHAM MR. BIRMINGHAM-Yes,the existing cabin is 535 square feet with a covered porch on the front. Our plan is to remove the covered porch to reduce the square footage to 500 square feet, and it'll just be day use,you know,change of clothes and things like that. MR. MAGOWAN-It would be a halfway point,you mean? MR. BIRMINGHAM-It's kind of a halfway point. Stop for rest. MR. FORD-A rest area. MS.WHITE-Okay. Thank you. MR. TRAVER-I see we have a couple of members of the public that just came in. Are you here to address the Birmingham project? AUDIENCE MEMBER-No. MR. TRAVER-No, okay. Thank you. Just checking. All right. Seeing no further comments, then we'll close the public hearing. Are we ready for a motion? MR. KREBS-Yes. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP# 62-2014 PHILIP&LORRAINE BIRMINGHAM A site plan application has been made to the Queensbury Planning Board for the following: Applicant proposes to construct a 960 sq. ft. (footprint) single family dwelling and attach it to the existing modern detached garage and convert existing cabin to an open accessory structure. Pursuant to Chapter 179-6-060 of the Zoning Ordinance construction with 50 feet of 15% slopes shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. SEQR Type II -no further review required; A public hearing was advertised and held on 10-21-2014; This application is supported with all documentation, public comment, and application material in the file of record; MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 62-2014 PHILIP&LORRAINE BIRMINGHAM, Introduced by Donald Krebs who moved for its adoption,seconded by Thomas Ford: This is per the resolution prepared by Staff. 1) Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code. 2) Waiver requests granted: signage. 3) The limits of clearing will constitute a no-cut buffer zone, orange construction fencing shall be installed around these areas and field verified by Community Development staff. 4) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel. 5) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work. 6) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution. 13 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) 7) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy. Duly adopted this 21st day of October, 2014,by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Ford, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Krebs, Ms.White, Mr.Traver NOES: NONE MR.TRAVER-You're all set. MR. BIRMINGHAM-Thank you. MR.TRAVER-Okay. Llast but not least,we have a discussion item. DISCUSSION ITEM CHARLES J. KANE III, BSK ENTERPRISES, INC. APPLICANT PROPOSES TO ESTABLISH AN AUTO SALES/RENTAL OPERATION - 538 AVIATION ROAD, TAX MAP NO. 302.5-1-94. 0.64 ACRES. CHARLES KANE, PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Charles J. Kane, III for BSK Enterprises who would like to talk to us about an auto sales and rental operation on Aviation Road. Good evening. MR. KANE-Hi. How's everyone? I'd like to take this opportunity, I'm Charlie Kane. I'm interested in purchasing, I'm in the process of purchasing 538 Aviation Road. It's right off Exit 19, and it was a former Getty Mini Mart. I don't know if anybody's familiar with the strip there. I'm in the process of purchasing it. I wanted to come in just to ask the Board what their thoughts are by putting in an auto rental agency. I already presently have one that's in Poughkeepsie. We're moving up here. I have a house in Queensbury, on Round Pond Road,and we want to move up here permanently, and I wanted to buy a business first, or get a building that I could develop for business. We currently own Rent-A-Wreck,which is a national franchise. It's a funny name,but they're good cars. They're the oldest and largest used car rental franchise in the country. It started back in 1969, and prior to that they just had, you know, Hertz and Avis and new car. So they, at low prices they have, you know, good used cars, trucks and vans. So I've been a franchisee owner for 16 years, and we have one of the largest in the State. Cars, trucks, vans, cargo vans, sport utilities, 15 passengers and I kind of thought that would be good up here in the Queensbury, Saratoga, Glens Falls area then lending itself into the summer for, you know, Lake George, for people that need the recreational vehicle or 15 passenger vehicles to get around to a racetrack or whatever. So we offer a wide variety of all different types of vehicles, pickup trucks. If you need a pickup truck for the weekend or cargo van and stuff like that. So I'd like to have a pretty successful franchise. After 16 years in Poughkeepsie I want to move up here and make this my home within the next year or so. So this is preliminary, but just before I finish the purchase of this place I'd like to, just that, you know, run it through the Board members and see. I was told it's an approved business in the zoning area,but I understand I need a Site Plan and all that will be following to get the final approvals. MR.TRAVER-Right. MR. KANE-But I just wanted to, you know, see what the Board members thought about their feelings about me having and whether it may be a,you know,something okay for me to have. MR. TRAVER-Sure, but one of the issues I know that is an ongoing issue for that general area is traffic. MR. KANE-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Now, the site you're talking about has been a gas station, basically. So it's already, when it was used, subject to high traffic, and it's, the curb cuts and so on are to accommodate that, but certainly when you get to, and as you design your project, and you prepare for formal Site Plan Review, traffic certainly is going to be one of the considerations that we have. There are concerns also in the Town with signage and lighting. MR. KANE-Yes. 14 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. TRAVER-You talk about Rent-A-Wreck, I know, I've never done business with them, but I'm somewhat familiar with that organization. I know they're not really wrecks but certainly the appearance of the businesses in the Town is something to be considered. So when you think about the, I don't know if you're planning on any design changes to the existing structure or whatever,but the visual impact, lighting, traffic, safety concerns and so on I think are generally the main things that you want to keep in mind as you look to develop this site. MR. KANE-I was talking with a couple of people, or even my broker that's Bob Sears who's a great broker, and he mentioned that he spoke to a few people that,you know,they may ask me to have a, you know, a right turn only out of there because of the traffic, which is no problem, but they go across and they go up towards the Northway. It can be dangerous. MR. FORD-Access and egress there are important. MR. KANE-So we could have a one way in, one way out and going out just a right turn only going down to,you know, Route 9,instead of,you know,going across there. MR.TRAVER-Exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. MR. MAGOWAN-Or turnaround in Aviation Mall. MR. KANE-Exactly. Making a right going towards that way instead of going across the. MR. MAGOWAN-And to get a little extra insurance,you might want to say if you take a left,you have to take this policy. MR. KANE-Yes, I'll have to ask Rent-A-Wreck if they'll offer something like that, but that's, yes, no, so I was already pre-told that and I don't have a problem with that, and I know the, you know, the signage it's a big tall sign back then, you know, they allowed that, you know, for people coming off the Northway to see the various gas stations, and, if that needed to be setback or altered or something like that. The building's going to be pretty much the same. I just want to,you know, do a nice facade. They're not wrecks. The cars aren't going to be parked in the front. They'll be parked, actually there's some property,there's quite a bit of backyard area where I would probably ask to pave that so they could get their back and kind of fenced in. So,you know, it would be open in the front for parking and stuff. Yes, and then the only thing, you know, I think I mailed, I don't know if the Board members have,you know, pictures of the building. The only thing that I would change other than to beautify the facade and landscape the sides and there's a nice front area that needs to be dug up and landscaped. To bring cars in, and I wouldn't be doing auto repair, but they need to be clean, you know, when the people bring the cars back, they need to be vacuumed and polished and the oil levels checked. We wouldn't change oil there, but we would add fluids and send all of the auto mechanic work out. We don't want a dirty business there. I would like to have two garage doors,you know,it was a mini mart,so,you know,half of it to the right half of it,looking at the building, would be office. The other half, where they had the coolers for soda and they had hot dogs, you know, whatever they had there, I'd like to make that a couple of bay shop and have the garage doors, instead of the front, which look crappy with cars, have it on the side of the building, so it doesn't look awful. So that's the only other thing I wanted to pass by you, where if they had a problem with putting two doors on the side, where we enter, and all that would be, this is just preliminary. That's really the only changes. I need two bays to bring the cars in and vacuum them. MR. KREBS-When you're facing the building,you're talking about bringing the cars into the, on the right side of the building? MR. KANE-It would be the left side. The right side is where the office would be. MR. KREBS-Okay. MR. KANE-Looking at the building,the right side is where the bathroom is. MR. KREBS-Is there sufficient space to turn? MR. KANE-Turn? I believe so. MR. KREBS-And there's a lot of land, I guess,out behind it. MR. KANE-And behind. I'd like to maybe pave that. 1s (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. KREBS-It hasn't been developed yet,but I. MR. KANE-Yes, and they would be parked there, again, not because they're ugly and we're hiding them,but who needs a bunch of, not that there would be a bunch of them,but,you know,we have a 70 car fleet, and a small, the size of that or smaller in our Poughkeepsie, my Poughkeepsie one, and people go,you've got 70 cars on the fleet, I only see 10,where do you park 70. I says if I had 70 cars there I wouldn't be making any money. So, even if you have a 70 car fleet,which I don't believe I'll have that many up here,you know,you'll only maybe have 10 cars parked. MR. FORD-Be aware that one of the things we'll be concerned with is,as you talk about paving,we'll be looking at runoff and vegetation and stormwater and that sort of thing. MR. KANE-Sure. MR. TRAVER-Likewise with the service area. If you're detailing your vehicles, you know, you'll want to address,there'll doubtless be questions about chemicals. I know you said you're not going to be changing oil and so on,but that will need to be part of your application,the hazardous waste. MR. KANE-Maybe a drain with a holding tank or something,is that what you would maybe want? MR.TRAVER-That's something that you need to think about in your design. MR. MAGOWAN-Are you going to wash inside? MR. KANE-Yes, because you wouldn't want it to drain down the hill and down the road. No, yes, I would say some kind of a container where there'd be some kind of a storm drain that would go into a contained unit. MR. MAGOWAN-Well, you'd probably have to have like a gray water leach area, if that's the way you're going to do it. MR. KANE-Whatever the engineer would. MR. MAGOWAN-Have the tanks been removed? MR. KANE-Yes. I wouldn't have bought it if not. MR. MAGOWAN-Okay,and the soils have all been tested? MR. KANE-Yes. I wouldn't buy it. No, I have a complete engineer report, with pictures showing them taking out,and the DEC has tested the tanks. No,it's all clean. MR. SCHONEWOLF-What's the closest location for this franchise? MR. KANE-I'm sorry,sir? MR. SCHONEWOLF-What's the next closest location for this franchise? MR. KANE-There's one in Albany, I believe. They used to have over 500 franchises across the country,and with the economy and stuff,you know,they're down to 250 or 300. MR. SCHONEWOLF-Are there any others around here, Saratoga? MR. KANE-No. I already talked with corporate,you know,office,the franchise,and they already did a study,and there's nobody in. MR. SCHONEWOLF-That's a fairly good franchise and very popular for people that are going to stay a long time. MR. KANE-Yes. There's no surrounding franchises or I wouldn't be, they already gave me the approval. MR. SCHONEWOLF-Good for you. 16 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. KANE-Yes, well, they have a little bit of protection anyway. They give people radiuses. So they're not on top of each other,like any,like Seven Elevens. MR. DEEB-Charles,a question I have is you have,you said you're going to do sales. MR. KANE-Well, what I'd like to do is mainly the rentals, but occasionally we sell our Rent-A- Wrecks, you know, when they're a little old, or, and I also have a used car dealership, Kane Autos, for 25 years,in Poughkeepsie. So I have two businesses that were successful. MR. DEEB-That's why I asked. MR. KANE-So,yes, I would like to sell a minority of them,you know, not a lot. The majority would be, but maybe display a few, as a supplementary income, because I'm sure the rental agency will take off great. I did a little investigation on local rental car companies and we have Enterprise which, you know, they're tough on people. Hertz and stuff like that. You need credit cards. There's a lot of people that don't have credit cards. We take cash, we don't run people's licenses. A lot of times you go to these rental car companies now and they check your license. If you've got a bad license,they're not going to rent you a $30, $40,000 car. If you don't have a major credit card. We take debit cards. We take cash. We don't run people's licenses. MR. FORD-Personal checks. MR. KANE-No, not that. We go pretty far, but not that far. So we rent to the people that most people take out. So I think that will help in the areas where people,they're struggling,but that said, to answer your question,you know,what if I'm not as successful here as I am in Poughkeepsie, and I'm sure I will be, or almost as fine, I'd like to add, because it kind of goes hand in hand, a few car sales, whether they be my rentals that we sell or a couple of nice prime cars as a supplementary to, you know,overlap if one business doesn't do so well. MR. DEEB-Right. What I'm trying to get clarification on, you're going to have two licenses, then. You'll have a rental license? MR. KANE-Well,there isn't a rental license. MR. DEEB-But, I mean,you'll have a franchise. MR. KANE-But it'll be a franchise. MR. DEEB-And then you'll have another franchise dealership with New York State. MR. KANE-Yes,exactly. MR. DEEB-So do you anticipate how many cars will be in the dealership, and how many will be in the rental business? Can you give me an idea of that? MR. KANE-Well, I would put that down when we do the final plans. MR. DEEB-But do you know now? MR. KANE-I would say, again, I want the business to be 80% or 75% for the rental. So I would say 75% would be rental cars. As far as many cars, I think we can sustain at least a 40 to 50 car fleet. Who knows, it might blossom out and,you know, be really good. Seventy is hard. So I would say 40 to 50. MR. DEEB-All right. So you anticipate 40 to 50. MR. KANE-Cars,trucks and vans, and again,they won't all be,they'll be all on the road so you won't see that. MR. DEEB-Yes,but if they were all parked there at one time,you're saying you'd have 40 or 50. MR. KANE-Yes,but that's never happened in 16 years. MR. DEEB-I'm just saying. I'm looking for a total number. 17 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. KANE-I'm going to start with 20 cars. I started my Rent-A-Wreck with six cars, and they grew each month up from six cars to seventy, so, you know, I'm going to probably buy ten and then just let the business pay for itself. It'll probably grow to at least 40 I project. MR. DEEB-What's the average age of your car? MR. KANE-They're like five to eight years old. So they're not too old, but,you know, they're not to new where you have to charge a lot of money, and I would say, as far as display of used cars, maybe no more than 10,you know, it's not going to be a big cars,you know,just 10 to help out maybe will, each sector will help out in the slow time. MR. DEEB-So maybe 20%. MR. KANE-Yes, I would say, 20, 25%, yes. Total cars, between sales and rentals, I can't see more than 40 or 50. MR. DEEB-Okay. Because I know that's big enough property to hold that. MR. KANE-And they're always going to be on the road, especially if the Board lets me, you know, extend the property in the back to park. MR. DEEB-And the big thing was the traffic issue. There's a huge,huge traffic issue. I don't know if you've watched it or observed it. MR. KANE-I've lived up here in the summer, a summer house for 10 years. So I kind of know that area. MR. DEEB-It's huge, but it was a gas station before. So, and they have a lot more cars coming in now. MR. SCHONEWOLF-Keep in mind, there's a diner next door, we had much debate on that subject, and it's at least five times the number of cars he's got that are going in and out of there. MR. DEEB-I understand that. MR. KANE-Yes, let me also say, you know, it's not going to be a Getty Mini Mart or a food center. How many people come in to rent a car a day,maybe five people come in. MR. FORD-That's a positive in terms of our concern for traffic and access. That's really important, because I know you want to build your business, but there are going to be hopefully fewer people driving in and out of there then if they were a gas station. MR. KANE-There will, by 80% less. Yes. Like I said, to sell ice cream or gas you need a lot of people coming in. You only make a few cents a gallon where,me,if I'm selling a car or renting a car, four, five, six, seven, eight people a day. So, they're not going to be coming in and out a lot. So it's going to be a low volume. MR. FORD-That's a positive. MR.TRAVER-Yes. MR. KANE-It's not going to be a lot. MR. MAGOWAN-One of the nice things about it is, you know, you can always strategically place them around Aviation Mall parking lot if you get a little too many there. Just rotate them every day. MR. KANE-Yes, I'd have to rotate them. MR. MAGOWAN-Well, no, we talked about because in between the properties there there's a property out back, behind the diner and that, and when we were in discussion with that, we were trying to get Pyramid and that to give an access road behind you,which is kind of, if you look at the picture,you can kind of see that there's. MR. KANE-There is like a dirt road in the back. 18 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MR. MAGOWAN-Right, you know, and if something goes to develop in the back there, eventually there will, I believe that we would be pushing for that access road, because that's such a busy road there,and like I said, I know a lot of cars just are banging rights all the time. MR. KANE-That wouldn't be a problem at all. I wouldn't utilize the whole backyard. There's quite a bit of side property that's already paved,but I'd just go back another 30 or 40 feet or so. Enough for maybe two car lots. So it's pretty deep in the back and I wouldn't utilize the whole backyard. There'd still be plenty of green space between that and then that access road. So, I mean, if the Board has any other questions, but if they think it might be good I'll go ahead and go through with the sale of the contract,but I just kind of wanted to get a feeling,you know. MR. TRAVER-Yes, I think conceptually, I mean, I think you've heard some concerns, but none that I don't think preclude that site used for what you have in mind. You just need to make sure that you talk with Town Staff. They'll help walk you through the application process. Make sure that you have all the paperwork completed and your application is complete,so that you don't end up having to be tabled and have more work done. Just be fully prepared before you get on the schedule, and we'll be happy to look at your application. MR. KANE-Okay. MR. KREBS-Our Staff is very good to work with. So they'll help you along and go through the process with you, because if you come with a completed application, it's a lot easier for us to approve. MR. KANE-Right. Okay. No problem. MR. MAGOWAN-Have you got one of the new houses on Round Pond? MR. KANE-No, if you go down Round Pond Road, it's the first little, that little cabin there on the right. MR. MAGOWAN-Well, where have you been? There's been no lights on in the longest time. I live right over the hill there on High Pointe. MR. KANE-I bought one of those switches that are supposed to,you know, turn on to make believe somebody's. MR. MAGOWAN-Well,yes,of course I had that timed all right. I said I know you're not home. MR. KANE-Yes, everybody knows it's six o'clock, the lights go on and it's, but, yes, that's my little place. I bought that from an older lady about 10 years ago. We fixed it up. MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, you've done a great, like I said, I live right over the hill there at High Pointe there. I've got the rollercoaster in the backyard, and I always look over, because it's such a cute little house. MR. KANE-Yes,we did it all over about 8, 10 years ago. MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, I know,you did a nice job. MR. KANE-That's the way this building will be. MR. MAGOWAN-It'll be nice to see a car there more often there. MR. KANE-Well,it's for rent in the winter. Yes,we just use it in the summer when we come up. MR.TRAVER-All right. MR. KANE-So thank you everybody. MR.TRAVER-Good luck. All right. That completes our agenda. Is there any other business for the Planning Board this evening? MR. FORD-I move we adjourn. 19 (Queensbury Planning Board 10/21/2014) MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF OCTOBER 21, 2014, Introduced by Thomas Ford who moved for its adoption,seconded by Donald Krebs: Duly adopted this 21St day of October, 2014, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Schonewolf, Mr. Ford, Ms.White, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Krebs, Mr.Traver NOES: NONE MR.TRAVER-Thanks,everybody. On motion meeting was adjourned. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Steven Traver,Acting Chairman 20