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01-17-2017 ((').Ueeiri c1)Uir f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING FIRST REGULAR MEETING JANUARY 17, 2017 INDEX Site Plan P-SP-3-2017 Michael Fiacco 1. ZBA RECOMMENDATION Tax Map No. 296.18-1-5 Site Plan P-SP-4-2017 Frank Perrotta, Jr. 6. ZBA RECOMMENDATION Tax Map No. 239.7-1-38 Site Plan P-SP-5-2017 Great Escape Theme Park, LLC 8. Tax Map No. 288.20-1-20 Site Plan P-SP-2-2017 Halliday Capital, LLC 13. Special Use Permit P-SUP-1-2017 Tax Map No. 240.5-1-32 Subdivision P-SUB-1-2017 Douglas & Marie Baertschi 16. SKETCH PLAN Tax Map No. 288.-1-80 Discussion Item PZ-DISC-1-2017 Seaton Property Holdings 18. DISCUSSION ITEM Tax Map No. 308.16-1-55, -56, -58 & -61 THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES (IF ANY) AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES. ((').Ueeiri c1)Uir f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING FIRST REGULAR MEETING JANUARY 17, 2017 7:00 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT STEPHEN TRAVER, CHAIRMAN GEORGE FERONE, SECRETARY CHRIS HUNSINGER, VICE CHAIRMAN DAVID DEEB THOMAS FORD BRAD MAGOWAN JAMIE WHITE LAND USE PLANNER-LAURA MOORE TOWN COUNSEL-FITZGERALD, MORRIS, BAKER, FIRTH-MIKE CROWE STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI MR. TRAVER-Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the first meeting of the Queensbury Planning Board for 2017. There should be some agendas on the table in the back room. As you know we have some weather tonight. So I just want to admonish everyone if you're leaving now or at the end of the meeting, please drive carefully, and before we get started, I wanted to welcome Jamie White who was an alternate to the Planning Board who's been recently appointed as a regular member of the Planning Board. Welcome, Jamie and thank you for your service. MS. WHITE-Thank you very much. MR. TRAVER-With that we'll start with approval of minutes for the November 15, 2016 meeting. APPROVAL OF MINUTES November 15, 2016 MOTION TO APPROVE THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 15, 2016, Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption, seconded by Thomas Ford: Duly adopted this 17`" day of January, 2017, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ABSTAINED: Ms. White MR. TRAVER-And now we'll go to our regular agenda, and our first item is Site Plan P-SP-3- 2017 for Michael Fiacco. PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS SITE PLAN P-SP-3-2017 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED MICHAEL FIACCO OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING CI LOCATION 63 QUAKER ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TO UPGRADE FIVE MAIN FACADE ENTRIES FOR TENANTS IN A BUILDING COMPLEX. SECOND STORY ENTRY DOOR TO BE A FRAME ENHANCEMENT. FACADE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE NEW LIGHTING, BUILDING EDGE LANDSCAPING AND ROOF EXTENSION AT ENTRANCES. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UPGRADE OF EXTERIOR FACADE AND ADDITION OF NEW ENTRYWAY SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. VARIANCE: RELIEF IS SOUGHT FOR SETBACKS & FAR. PLANNING BOARD SHALL PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. CROSS REFERENCE SP 59-2000 TELE. EQUIP. SV 16-2013 SIGN SETBACK, SP 53-2015 & AV 49-2015 ((').Ueeiri c1)Uir f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) LOADING DOCK CANOPY WARREN CO. REFERRAL JANUARY 2017 LOT SIZE 3.18 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 296.18-1-5 SECTION 179-3-040 KEITH BUFF, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT; MICHAEL FIACCO, PRESENT MR. TRAVER-Laura, can you give us the overview? MRS. MOORE-Yes. So this applicant proposes to upgrade the main fagade on a building complex. This includes five main fagade entries. The second story portion of the building will also include enhancements. There is an entry door to the second floor. That will also receive like a framing enhancement. The fagade improvements include new lighting, building edge landscaping and roof extensions at the entrance. This project requires an Area Variance from the front setback on the south side of the building where 44 feet is proposed and a 75 foot setback is required. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. Okay. This is a recommendation to the Zoning Board by the Planning Board. MRS. MOORE-Correct. MR. TRAVER-If the applicant would come up to the table, please. If you could state your name for the record. MR. FIACCO-Michael Fiacco. MR. BUFF-Keith Buff, architect. MR. TRAVER-Welcome. Good evening. Do you want to tell us about your project? MR. BUFF-Sure. My name is Keith Buff. I'm with Michael Fiacco from Bennington Furniture that's in the plaza, but he also owns the plaza as well. He approached me to do some exterior, I'd call it renovations, but it's really a transformation of the building, you know, in the confines of what's there, and if you want, I mean, I can go through the PowerPoint, which is probably 10 slides,just to kind of give you an idea. MR. TRAVER-Sure. MR. BUFF-Whatever would give you the best sort of overview. MR. TRAVER-If you would take the microphone with you. MR. BUFF-Well, actually, I can stay here, that's okay, and just kind of flip through them. So I'm just going to kind of get into the planning of it. So this is the existing site plan, and sorry for the lightness of the slides, but it's kind of a bright room. In essence the building is remaining the same from a footprint standpoint with the exception of about 65 square feet that we're looking to add at the Bennington Furniture entrance which I'll get into in a little bit, and if you look at the left side of the screen, the south facing fagade is getting completely re-done. The west facing fagade, which is the long fagade facing the parking lot, is getting re-done, and then the south facing fagade that's on Quaker Road is also getting re-done. You'll see in your packet there is a site section there which kind of illustrates the setback issue. It's a 75 foot setback but we didn't meet the requirement anyway. Where currently it's at about 47 feet 11 inches. We actually want to encroach on that a little bit more and make it 44 feet even, and that's really an aesthetic treatment that we're putting on the front of the building with canopies and such. In the building now, if you look at the lower portion of the building, the red portion of the building, that's a hair salon. Just up from that is a dog grooming facility. What you see in blue is currently Carpet One, and they've moved across the street and down a little bit. In yellow is Bennington's current space. Adjacent to that in that purple is a mattress store which Michael owns as well. In green is Passano Paints. In the light blue is Realty USA, and then on the second floor level, occupying that whole level is Northeast Parent Child. Programmatically it doesn't really change. When Carpet One moves out, Michael and Bennington Furniture are going to take Carpet One's space, okay. So that Bennington, as well as the mattress store, is one sort of contiguous space, you can move between those spaces. MR. TRAVER-Gotcha. MR. BUFF-Everything else pretty much remains intact, and the focus is really on the exterior. A couple of existing conditions photos. The building was built in the 70's. It's a brown brick building, and mostly one story, except for the second story piece that's on Quaker Road. You can imagine that that entire one story is brick. The second floor piece is a drivet or the EIFS ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) material, stucco that's just painted, and then it's got a series of sort of these bulky stucco columns as well as overhangs at each entrance. The idea is that we're going to strip all of that away. Okay. So all of those existing entrances go away. The brick gets painted, right, so from a material standpoint, there's brick, there's wood, there's going to be a painted stucco, and steel, and then glass. We're going to introduce some glass for some transparency, which I'll go over in a minutes. So you'll see this probably better in your packets, but the 3-D view on top is just from the 3-D model, and I'm actually going to take this mic so that I can just go up there and point to a few things here. So you can imagine that this entire fagade here, here and here gets re-done. All the brick is getting painted. We're thinking it's going to be a dark gray, something of that nature. This two story box that's on top there is also going to get painted. We're thinking it's going to be a lighter gray, probably a really pale gray, and then each entrance that we want to sort of add significance to is really going to be these wood entrances here, all right. So currently you have Realty USA here. You have Passano Paints here. Bennington Furniture is here and then you have two sort of secondary entrances down there, and again, the idea that it's painted brick. It's exposed timber. It's steel. It's cedar siding for the entrances, to really sort of bring the plaza into this modern sort of Adirondack feel that is kind of indicative of what Michael's business is about. It's about design as he sells his furniture. A couple of elevations. So this is the main elevation that faces Quaker Road, all right. So, you know, those existing canopies get taken off and these are our new canopies, right? It's the canted steel column that's got a steel girder that has timber rafters. The underside of it is going to be exposed timber. It's going to have a standing seam metal roof, and then these bump outs are going to be all clad in tongue and groove cedar that's got a little reveal on it, and then, you know, we'll have signage as well, which also is going to be part of the application process I think we've got to go through for signage. You guys are going to want to see what the signs are and how they look and all that, and then the other south fagade where the hair salon is and the doggie daycare is is a similar scenario. It's a bump out. It's tongue and groove cedar, but it's just a simple hangar rod canopy over those and to sort of downplay those as sort of the secondary entrances. This is the west fagade, and this is continuation. There's a match line here that picks up here. So you can imagine taking this and putting it over there, but one of the things we're introducing is there's not, there's very little windows. The entrances are sort of the fenestration to these spaces. So all of these openings are new openings, right? The idea is to punch these new openings in there to get a lot of natural light in there. Michael can use it for furniture on display. He can put displays in there as sort of this connectivity between the outside and the inside, and this is sort of the new Bennington Furniture entrance. One of the key pieces to this is what I'll call the display window. It's a large window and that's my 65 square foot addition right? It's this little bump right here. You can set up furniture displays in there. You can have a nice chandelier hanging from there. It can be light. You saw this glass box that sort of accents that entrance. A couple of renderings. This is a 3-D view, looking at the Quaker Road facade. One of the other things we're doing on the second floor is, you know, to sort of bring connectivity between the second floor and what we're doing with all those entrances is we're adding some wood detailing to those existing windows, and then the Bennington entrance. This is just another rendering that gives you a sense of, you know, the scale of these windows, you know, relative to pedestrians and the scale of the entrance, the canted steel columns and the sloped metal roof. One of the other things that we're adding lighting on the building that currently doesn't exist. All the lighting is pole lighting in the parking lots, which are going to remain. They were replaced in 2014, 1 believe. So we're adding some architectural accent lighting on the fagade as well, and that's sort of the gist. It's sort of this exterior transformation that we're looking to do. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So, in terms of the variance, you're looking for the setback variance, which you're already, you're at 47. So you're really just bumping up the amount of the variance that you need. It's a sort of, if you will, a pre-existing situation. MR. BUFF-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Okay, and then floor area ratio as well? MR. BUFF-Yes. We are over currently. I believe we're allowed, what was it, about 40,000, 40,750 feet is what we're allowed. We're already over 50,000 as the building sits today, and we want to add 65 square feet to that. MR. TRAVER-Right. So again, it's just an increase to what's already there. Okay. Thank you. Anything else at this stage? MR. BUFF-No, I think that's it. MR. TRAVER-Okay. All right. I'll open it up to the Planning Board members. Do you have questions for the applicant on this application? ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. FORD-I'm interested in the signage compared to that that exists right now. MR. BUFF-Do you want to talk a little bit about the signage? MR. FIACCO-Individual LED letters. Like on my store right now I have individual LED back letters. The whole plaza is going to have to conform to that. So if you see, I don't have any current pictures of my store right now. MR. BUFF-But that's what they're going to go to, those big boxes that are there now. They're going to go to individual letters. MR. FORD-How about coloration of the signage? MR. FIACCO-Well, it depends on, each individual business can put their own sign up. I'm just going to make them have to do individual letters and backlit. MR. BUFF-You can't see it very well, but that bottom middle one is sort of like you're talking about. MR. FIACCO-Those are individual letters that are LED lights. MR. BUFF-Exactly. MRS. MOORE-The middle one, correct? MR. FIACCO-The middle one on the bottom, yes. MR. TRAVER-And the parking lot fixtures, it looks like in the overview of your packet you don't exceed the 2.5 foot candles in the parking lot. MR. FERONE-The new lighting fixtures that would be on the building, is that just going to be down lit? MR. BUFF-It's a down light. MR. FERONE-So where the entrances are, you're going to have, up the side of the building? Right there. MR. BUFF-Either one of those. I think I'm going faster than the computer can handle, which is unprecedented. MR. FERONE-Technology, you've gotta love it. That one is good one. MR. BUFF-Yes. So what happens here is this is completely clad in cedar all sides, and it returns in and then it's also on the ceiling. So it returns in and hits the existing storefront. MR. FERONE-And I imagine it will be stained approximately that shade. MR. BUFF-Yes. MR. FERONE-Thank you. MR. BUFF-The idea is to keep it a natural color. MR. TRAVER-No changes to parking layout or stormwater or anything along those lines. You're not significantly changing the impervious, obviously. MR. BUFF-No, if anything we'll probably be adding a little bit of pervious, with the landscape treatment along the face of the building. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. BUFF-That's about it. Other than that it stays the same. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. FORD-Existing signage near Quaker Road, is that going to remain? 5 ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. FIACCO-We've been talking about that. In the beginning yes, but I may want to change it in the future. I want to do this phase first, and then do that phase next. Maybe put a sign that just ties in with the building a little bit better. Steel complex, steel columns instead of what's there right now. I've already been talking with Signworks about that, but I want to do this first. MR. TRAVER-So for purposes of this application, there's no change to it. MR. FIACCO-Yes. MR. TRAVER-All right. Any other questions or comments? We do have, this is a SEAR Type Unlisted and we do need to that before we go to the ZBA? MRS. MOORE-No. MR. TRAVER-No? MRS. MOORE-No, not this one, no. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Then I guess if there are no other questions we need to think about, in terms of making a recommendation, are there any feelings, are there any concerns that we can't address at site plan for this? I mean, to me, aesthetically it looks like quite an improvement from what's there now. MR. DEEB-I'd like a little more clarification on the colors. You said you're going to let each tenant choose their own? MR. FIACCO-For the signs. MR. DEEB-Signs. MR. FIACCO-Yes. So they can choose their sign. You know, like Realty USA I know they have red letters. I have blue letters. So Realty USA wants to, some of these, I have another national franchise looking to come in, they have their signs, like Realty USA has their sign. I have my color. So I want to use a conforming layout, but even like the plaza is now, like Carpet One has a greenish sign. The hair salon has a different color sign. Passano, Realty USA, I let them choose their colors, but I want it to conform, have it all be the same type of sign, instead of all different signs. MR. DEEB-All right. I was just a little nervous about, because it could be like a circus. MR. FIACCO-No. It's to be the same signs, but they can use what they. MR. BUFF-Because a lot of times, I think a lot of these companies have their specific color. MR. FIACCO-Yes. Their logo. That's just part of their brand. MR. TRAVER-All right. Any other questions or concerns with regards to making a recommendation to the ZBA for tomorrow night? RESOLUTION RE: ZBA RECOMMENDATION RE: Z-AV-0003-2017 MICHAEL FIACCO The applicant has submitted an application for the following: Applicant proposes to upgrade five main fagade entries for tenants in a building complex. Second story entry door to be a frame enhancement. Fagade improvements include new lighting, building edge landscaping and roof extension at entrances. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, upgrade of exterior fagade and addition of new entryway shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance, per Section 179-9-070 J 2 b. requires the Planning Board to provide a written recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals for projects that require both Zoning Board of Appeals & Planning Board approval; The Planning Board has briefly reviewed and discussed this application, the relief request in the variance application as well as the potential impacts of this project on the neighborhood and surrounding community, and found that: MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR AREA VARIANCE NO. 3-2017 MICHAEL FIACCO: Introduced by George Ferone who moved its adoption, and ((').Ueeiri c1)Uir f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) a) The Planning Board, based on a limited review, has not identified any significant adverse impacts that cannot be mitigated with current project proposal - Motion seconded by Thomas Ford. Duly adopted this 17`" day of January, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Ferone, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Ford, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Traver NOES: NOES MR. TRAVER-All right. Good luck. MR. BUFF-Thank you, guys. MR. TRAVER-All right, and next on our agenda we have Site Plan 4-2017 for Frank Perrotta, Jr. SITE PLAN P-SP-4-2017 SEAR TYPE TYPE II FRANK PERROTTA, JR. AGENT(S) DENNIS MAC ELROY OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR LOCATION ASSEMBLY POINT ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES A 3,800 SQ. FT. (FOOTPRINT), 8,361 SQ. FT. (FLOOR AREA) SINGLE FAMILY HOME. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, MAJOR STORMWATER AND PROJECT WITHIN 50 FT. OF 15% SLOPES SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. VARIANCE: RELIEF IS SOUGHT FOR HEIGHT. PLANNING BOARD SHALL PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. CROSS REFERENCE SUNSET HILL SUB 11-96, SP 38-2004 BOATHOUSE W/SUNDECK WARREN CO. REFERRAL JANUARY 2017 SITE INFORMATION APA, LGPC, WETLANDS LOT SIZE 5.52 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 239.7-1-38 SECTION 179-3-040 DENNIS MAC ELROY& MICHAEL BORGOS, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MRS. MOORE-This applicant proposes a 3,800 square foot footprint, and then this is an 8,361 square foot floor area single family home. It's subject to site plan for major stormwater and project within 50 feet of 15% slopes. It's also subject to an Area Variance for height relief. Maximum height relief allowed is 28. The applicant proposes 35.7 feet. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you. MR. MAC ELROY-Good evening. I'm Dennis MacElroy with Environmental Design. I'm representing the owner and applicant, Frank Perrotta. With me is Michael Borgos who is the attorney for Mr. Perrotta and Steve Adler who is a representative of Eastern Adirondack Home Design is here as well. They represent the home manufacturer. This project is for a single family residence on a five and a half acre lot which exists, I would refer to it as the interior of Assembly Point. This lot is part of the Sunset Hill Farm subdivision, which was created back in the early 90's, '92, which created seven lots. Some had developed. This one obviously had not. It's gone through a couple of different ownerships. Mr. Perrotta has owned it for a couple of years and is hoping now to pursue building a single family residence. Coincidentally, he was a former owner of property on Knox Road as well. When he sold that home he bought this lot and is now returning to build a single family residence on it. The access, the unusual thing about this lot is the access is off of Knox Road, although it has a small frontage on Assembly Point Road that provides access to a dock which is part of this lot as well. That access off of Assembly Point is not meant for vehicular access. There is an easement that serves this lot that crosses Lot Number Six which is the westerly side. Basically Assembly Point has a ridge along the top and this is the easterly facing lot. Lot Six is the westerly facing lot. So the access in off of this is through Lot Six. There's an easement to a point where you come in contact with Lot Seven and the driveway from there in to the house site. So we've provided, as far as the Site Plan, all the normal requirements of driveway access, the new wastewater system, stormwater management system, on-site well will serve as the water supply. We are here for the referral to the ZBA because there is a request for building height variance. Our point on that is that by the math of things, that is the requirement that we're, the building height at 35.7 is where the numbers come from because it's a walkout. We've lowered the house into the slope. The walkout creates a cut situation, and in terms of the definition of building height, we go to the cut grade, not just the lowest adjacent grade as it exists today. So that actually exaggerates that a little bit. It's not as bad a number as it might seem on paper, and that's on the easterly facing side on the walkout. You can see from the renderings that there's a gable end of the frontage on the walkout side that creates that differential from the highest point of that gable to the cut grade at the walkout. If you go to the north or the south end of the building or particularly in the north end, in sort of a conventional definition of the building height. We go to that ridgeline at the north end to the lowest adjacent grade, it still is above the building height 7 ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) standard but it's a lesser number, 32 feet, 32.4 feet toward the building height. The nature of the design of the house the owner has selected, while this is obviously lakefront, Waterfront Residential zoning district, which carries with it 28 foot building standard, it's not, I like to say it's not really the house location that that building height standard was designed around. It's not truly a lakefront house that is obvious and distinct at the waterfront area or what you can view from the waterfront. It sits up the hillside, shielded somewhat by existing vegetation. Not so much the type of house that's right down on the shore that that height would come more into play with a little bit more of a visual concern. MR. TRAVER-How does the building height compare generally with the surrounding homes? MR. MAC ELROY-Well, because there aren't, I shouldn't say there aren't any, but this, again, is up on the ridgeline. Those other lots, within that subdivision there are, there is a house that you pass as you drive in past Knox Road that's, I don't know where that stands as far as building height. There's another house over on Sunset Lane that would be going up the hillside north of this that has houses that you can see and those, again, I'm not sure exactly what the building height is there, but I'm not sure that it stands out any more than that because it was somewhat in isolation being on this relatively large lot, 5.5 acres, and somewhat, again, isolated from the others. MR. TRAVER-All right. Thank you. Anything else? I'll open it up to members of the Board. Any questions? MR. HUNSINGER-Does it block the view from the other houses? MR. MAC ELROY-Block the view of the lake? MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. MR. MAC ELROY-No. MR. MAC ELROY-The only, I explained that this is sort of the easterly facing lot. If you looked at the Site Plan where it shows the tax map depiction of the properties, you'll see Lot Six, I may have been misspeaking before. This is Lot Six. The other one is Lot Seven. Lot Seven is the westerly facing lot, and that's undeveloped currently. MR. TRAVER-So that's the one that has the right of way on it not Six. MR. MAC ELROY-Correct. MR. TRAVER-Okay. MR. MAC ELROY-That's undeveloped. That hasn't been built, but in my, we looked at this in terms of where our potential house is, because you don't want to select the location on a five and a half acre lot that will be right next door to another five and a half or six acre lot that's even larger. The logical location of the house on the westerly facing lot will be further south, and therefore I don't think, you won't have that conflict and again, the view shed at this house site is to the east. The view shed on the other lot will be to the west. MR. HUNSINGER-Although you're right on the ridge. MR. MAC ELROY-Yes, it's down slightly, not significantly, but it's down a little bit, but, yes, it's not, I think it's safe to say it won't be blocking anyone's view of the prominent views that you have from any house site. MR. HUNSINGER-It's also a pretty design. Did you have any colors picked out for the house? MR. MAC ELROY-Well, I assume that they'd be earth toned, and Steve would be better versed at addressing that question and whether it's appropriate now or next week if we're back for the site plan, but yes, we'll respond to that. MR. FERONE-There's going to be disturbance about 27,000 feet. Are there a lot of trees that you'll be taking down? MR. MAC ELROY-Well, it's interesting that Hurricane Irene did that for the prior owners. It wasn't even Mr. Perrotta at the time. I have some familiarity because I have a family property on Knox Road, and I know the damage that was done there during that storm, and it was significant, and on that lot in particular, and there was a lot of clean up and clearing done at that time. So what we're getting now is some second growth coming back on that slope side. So 1 8 ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) think that, in time, there will only be more buffering or filtering of view of that in the future, but there really won't be any significant clearing of vegetation of trees. There's a pretty open area up there that will allow for the construction of the house. So Mother Nature and the prior owners have done the clean up there. MR. TRAVER-Any other questions for the applicant before we consider the referral? Is there a feeling that we can make a referral that can be managed with Site Plan based on this variance? RESOLUTION RE: ZBA RECOMMENDATION RE: Z-AV-0004-2017 FRANK PERROTTA, JR The applicant has submitted an application for the following: Applicant proposes a 3,800 sq. ft. (footprint), 8,361 sq. ft. (floor area) single family home. Pursuant to Chapter 179-3-040 of the Zoning Ordinance, major stormwater and project within 50 ft. of 15% slopes shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. The Town of Queensbury Zoning Ordinance, per Section 179-9-070 J 2 b. requires the Planning Board to provide a written recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals for projects that require both Zoning Board of Appeals & Planning Board approval; The Planning Board has briefly reviewed and discussed this application, the relief request in the variance application as well as the potential impacts of this project on the neighborhood and surrounding community, and found that: MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR AREA VARIANCE NO. 4-2017 FRANK PERROTTA, JR.: Introduced by George Ferone who moved its adoption, and a) The Planning Board, based on a limited review, has not identified any significant adverse impacts that cannot be mitigated with current project proposal - Motion seconded by David Deeb. Duly adopted this 17`" day of January, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. Good luck. MR. MAC ELROY-Thank you very much. I hope to see you next week. MR. TRAVER-All right. We're going to move into the New Business section of our agenda this evening with application 5-2017 for Great Escape Theme Park. NEW BUSINESS: SITE PLAN P-SP-5-2017 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED GREAT ESCAPE THEME PARK, LLC AGENT(S) JARRETT ENGINEERS, PLLC OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING RC LOCATION 1172 STATE ROUTE 9 APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INSTALL A NEW WATERSLIDE RIDE, WHERE TWO SLIDES ARE PROPOSED. THE PROJECT IS AN ADDITION TO THE ALPINE FREE FALL COMPLEX. THE FACILITY CURRENTLY HAS FIVE SLIDES AND THIS PROJECT WILL ADD TWO ADDITIONAL SLIDES. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-9 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, NEW RIDE ATTRACTIONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SP 6- 2014 SUPER NOVA RIDE, SP PZ 23-2015 GREEZED LIGHTNIN RIDE, SEVERAL MORE WARREN CO. REFERRAL JANUARY 2017 SITE INFORMATION GEIS PARKWIDE 7/2001 LOT SIZE 237.6 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 288.20-1-20 SECTION 179-9 RAY SCHRODER & BOB HOLMES, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MRS. MOORE-The applicant proposes to install a new waterslide, where two slides are proposed. The project is an addition to the Alpine Free Fall complex. The facility currently has five slides and this project will add two additional slides. New rides and attractions are subject to Planning Board review. Under elevations I indicate that the new height of the platform area that's to be attached is at 35 feet and the bonsai pipelines are showed to be enclosed at the top and then open to the splash area at the bottom and that the plans indicate twister 1 is 280 plus or minus and twister 2 is 268.3 feet. 9 ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Good evening. MR. SCHRODER-My name's Ray Schroder. I'm the Project Manager at The Great Escape and Splash water Kingdom. Joining me this evening is Mr. Bob Holmes with Jarrett Engineering. Bob lead the design for the Site Plan on this particular project as well as the last time the slide was built. It was modified in 2012. As Laura had mentioned, the proposal for the site plan we have this evening is for the addition of two new waterslides to go on the interior of our waterpark in the area we often refer to as lower splashwater. It will be joined by attractions such as Lumberjack splash, Paul Bunyan's Bucket Brigade, and we're using the existing structure, Alpine Free Falls, to add these two waterslides onto. I know Laura does have a couple of images over her way but I'll sort of describe it, exactly the placement of where we're putting these. The tower already had one waterslide at 65 square feet, another one at approximately 43 feet and there's a stair landing that we intend to expand approximately 35 feet off the ground. So this will be the lowest pair of waterslides going on to the existing complex. The overall length, as Laura had mentioned, is around 280 feet per slide. They are 32 inch diameter tubes. Basically they're body slides. So bareback in your swimming trunks and down you go. With this particular project we're not proposing to have any new lighting. There should be no incremental sound. I met with Mr. Ferone yesterday. We talked about the use of vertical turbine pumps in our property and how we've recently somewhat fallen in love with those. They're very quiet and efficient. They do very well for us. What am I missing, Bob? MR. HOLMES-Just the other part of it, you obviously can see from your plans that we're only proposing an incremental increase in impervious cover of 750 square feet. So when you talk 750 square feet out of a 237 acre parcel, a small number. The area in which we are going to be working, we're expecting to have a disturbance area of approximately 71 square feet. We are going to be doing some tradeoff with existing impervious cover. There's some that's being removed at the runout elevation, simply so we can install the new runout slides for the bonsai pipeline. The major, the large majority of the net increase of 750 square feet, 430 square feet of that is for a new walkway that just allows return riders to go back to the top of the slide. The two items that I know you'll deal with, as Ray mentioned, we have no lighting that's proposed for these slides. We are asking for a stormwater waiver, primarily because any stormwater runoff we have for this project site is actually going to end up in the wave pool because it can't flow off site. So any stormwater that's collected by the wave pool goes through the filter treatment system and then it will also be, once it's dechlorinated it is actually put back into an on-site infiltration system. MR. TRAVER-So you chlorinate it and then dechlorinate it. MR. HOLMES-Yes. They've got, it's a large surge tank or backwash tank that's allowed. It has some residency time to it to allow the chlorine to evaporate off before it goes back into the ground. MR. TRAVER-And the total volume of water that these waterslides will use will remain essentially the same? You're just adding another ride? MR. SCHRODER-There is going to be, we'll have to install some additional surge capacity for these waterslides. So basically when you turn the waterslide off the water has a place to go. That's held inside an underground storage tank. So a new tank will have to be installed in conjunction with these slides. However, when you turn the slide on each day obviously we'll be using the same water inside the tank. A small amount of water is needed to be added, sometimes on a daily basis, sometimes on a weekly basis. Basically a measurement has to be taken each morning in terms of how much makeup water needs to be added to compensate for evaporation of what riders will wear on them when they exit the slide. MR. TRAVER-Sublimation, too, in the summertime. MR. SCHRODER-Sure. MR. TRAVER-Interesting. Okay, and the fact that it's enclosed should help with the sound obviously. I mean, if there's any hollering and yelling going on, it's going to be inside the tube. MR. SCHRODER-Yes, it's going to be primarily contained by the tube. So, yes, I've never really heard sound carry too much from a waterslide. To talk to that point, just to add a random factoid, I notice when technicians are installing these, they love to install a radio inside the tube and it makes the music sound live while they're working. MR. TRAVER-How about that. Interesting. MR. SCHRODER-But we're not planning on putting any sound inside the tube. 1() ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. TRAVER-Okay, and no changes to the sound in the general area? There were some concerns I recall previously about general noise, sound. MR. SCHRODER-With the site already being developed, we don't plan to make any changes to the existing area sound of that area. MR. TRAVER-Okay. All right. Thanks. MR. MAGOWAN-I'm with you. I live the closest, and the waterslide right at the end of the rollercoaster, I never heard a difference. So, as I say, I always think of it as a happy spot,joyful, people all having a goodtime. Like I said, you're right in my backyard and I think it's great. MR. SCHRODER-And right over the fence you can look and see daylight. MR. MAGOWAN-1 look right over it. MR. FERONE-Well, it's interesting. I did visit the site. It's almost an area where it's somewhat a little bit depressed. So I think, when you talk about sound, any sound that's being generated in that area is just going to stay right in that general vicinity. I don't see that escaping. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, right behind it is the big hill. MR. FERONE-Exactly. Mr. SCHRODER-Again, with this particular project, there shouldn't be any additional sound created. Other than whooshing coming from two additional slides, in addition to the five that we already have. MR. TRAVER-Yes. Understood, well, and we've had some applications recently that are, dealt with the general issue of sound, and we learned that the, you know, if you add numbers of sound generation it really increases the frequency but it doesn't add to the volume. So that's good to know. Okay. Any other questions about the plan from members of the Board? This, as we've seen in the past, this goes back to the SEAR from a previous. MR. HUNSINGER-7/11/2001. MR. TRAVER-Yes, 2001, right. So we don't need to formally conduct SEAR. We need to acknowledge the Environmental Impact Statement of 7/11/2001 and the Supplement of April 10, 2004, unless someone feels that this has some increase in impact. I'm not hearing that it does. MR. HUNSINGER-We have a public hearing. MR. TRAVER-I'm sorry. Thank you. We do have a public hearing on this application. Is there anyone in the audience that wanted to comment on this application? Yes, sir. If you'd give up the table for someone in the audience. MR SCHRODER-Absolutely. MR. TRAVER-Good evening. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED PAUL DERBY MR. DERBY-Good evening. Paul Derby, President of the Glen Lake Protective Association, and I'm just here to say that I'm not here to oppose this project. It looks like a good one. I've looked at the plans. They're fine, and The Great Escape has been, in recent years, a good neighbor, and we appreciate that. We do have two comments and two questions, though, and the comments have to do with public concerns they have heard from Glen Lake residents. One does have to do with sound, and sound emanating from the Park, and there are occasions when it is quite loud from there, and those occasions generally are when we have live music events or special events that are happening there. So my question relating to this project, and it may have already been answered, and that is, are there any additional sound elements, such as additional external speakers or the movement of speakers to different places? Because I really think it's the direction of where things come from. For example when they have the special events I think they're more pointed at the lake than other times, when, you know, it's bearable. ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) So is there movement of the speakers or additional things such as that. The second comment has to do with water that either comes through or from the Park, and about 15 years ago, maybe even more, the management of The Great Escape allowed the New York State DEC to come out into the Park and do water testing to see if there was nutrient loading or anything coming from the Park, and those tests turned out fine. In fact, we were quite relieved as Glen Lake residents. Most of our water comes from Rush Pond, through the streams coming through the Park and then into the lake, but it's been a long time since those tests have been done. So my question is really one I guess for management is if The Great Escape would allow water testing again to kind of update that information that we have, and those are really my only two comments. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else that wanted to speak to this application? Okay. Not seeing anyone, Laura, do we have any letters or written correspondence? MRS. MOORE-There are no written comments. MR. TRAVER-Thank you. You gentlemen can come back to the table. I think you addressed the sort of integral issue of sound with the ride itself, indicating you weren't planning on building upon that with this new proposed addition, but the audience member brings up a point about special events. Do you see a change in special event activity related to this application having these new slides? MR. SCHRODER-There really shouldn't be any live events that revolve specifically around this particular function. I know John Strough did attend an event last year where he came to basically the unveiling of the new ride which we do an unveiling of a new ride every single year. That's, typically that's sort of a tradition for us to be honest with you. When you get a flashy new toy you sort of want to show it off a little bit, but typically those, and I'm thinking to the past, we haven't really done live music with those, at least not on a large scale. Obviously there's a podium and a whole bunch of speaking and everything else, but that's kind of the extent of it really, you know. MR. TRAVER-Okay, and you heard the concern expressed that, and I understand from what you're saying it's not part of this application, but just a general concern about events where there is a change in where the, it sounds like the thought is that it's because of the event where there's a change in the focus of the sound emanating from the event. Is that something you're aware of at all? MR. SCHRODER-I'm up to speed on some of the events. I don't know all the intimate details, I don't typically get involved in establishing the events. I know they do bring in some temporary staging, and basically set up some shows for certain times of the year. There are some special events that we do hold, yes. Yes, I mean, obviously that's all temporary and not something that is fixed in position. So to that point, yes, I mean, we do hold live events. MR. TRAVER-Well, I think the concern, I appreciate and it's a good thing you have special events certainly. I guess what I would say is if you could pass on that sensitivity in terms of in the setting up of the stage or whatever, if there could be some sensitivity as to where the sound is directed. MR. SCHRODER-Absolutely. MR. TRAVER-Then the other question was regarding the water testing. You heard the comment about some DEC testing some time ago. Is that something that you do on a regular basis or are you prepared to? MR. SCHRODER-It is not something that we do on a regular basis, and ironically we talked about a project this morning that will probably result in that, but nonetheless, if it's something that we need to discuss or re-visit further, I think we'd certainly be open-minded to it. Do you have any concerns, Bob? I don't know. MR. HOLMES-Not exactly. I mean obviously with that not being directly associated with this project obviously upper management would certainly be involved. MR. SCHRODER-Yes, it's one of those things where we'd have to review it further internally. MR. TRAVER-Well, I agree, although this does specifically address the issue of water and the consumption and therefore the treatment, tertiary treatment and so on of water, and that's not part of your application I understand that, but as with the sound issue, I think it would be, as someone who's very concerned about our lakes and the environment, I think if nothing else it 1 .) ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) would be good PR. It sounds as though you have a very robust treatment system for your water. It might be to your benefit to sort of brag a little bit about the water quality, if you said on some periodic basis. I think you have every reason to be confident in those results. I mean, if you're chlorinating the water and then removing the chlorine, you know, it's going to be, you're dealing with just water basically, to coin a phrase. So something to think about. Again, not part of this application. Anyone else have any comments about the public comment or anything else? MR. HUNSINGER-So was it DEC that did the testing? MR. SCHRODER-I'm not sure. If you recall. That pre-dates me. MR. HOLMES-1 don't recall that either. MR. TRAVER-That was the understanding of the public. MR. HOLMES-Right, which is perfectly reasonable. I've seen that many times on different projects. MR. TRAVER-And I would think, you know, for purposes, again, of just sort of good neighbor or PR type of stuff, even if it was done by a private firm or the, well, I guess it is DEC in Warrensburg that does the testing. Thank you for considering that. MR. SCHRODER-Absolutely. When I say open-minded, you know, we'll definitely entertain the conversation of doing it in terms of doing it, and for any resident including myself in the Town of Queensbury who uses Town of Queensbury drinking water, there's always concern for the quality of the water in the Town. I think it's a very reasonable concern. MR. TRAVER-And, again, if this is part of the aquifer that goes into Glen Lake, I mean, that's something that certainly we'd want to try to get a handle on. It doesn't sound like there would be an issue, but if one were to pop up that we weren't aware of, it would give you an opportunity to address it before it became a nightmare and a real problem. So it's something to think about. MR. SCHRODER-Absolutely. MR. TRAVER-Thank you. Any other questions regarding this application before we entertain a motion? All right. If there are no other comments and no questions, we'll close the public hearing. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. TRAVER-And ask for a motion. RESOLUTION GRANTING A NEGATIVE SEAR DEC. SP P-SP-5-2017 GREAT ESCAPE The applicant proposes to install a new waterslide ride, where two slides are proposed. The project is an addition to the Alpine Free Fall complex. The facility currently has five slides and this project will add two additional slides. Pursuant to Chapter 179-9 of the Zoning Ordinance, new ride attractions shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval Whereas, The Planning Board has determined there's no need for site specific or separate specific SEQRA review because the proposal falls within the thresholds previously approved as part of the Generic Environmental Impact Statement. The Planning Board has determined the proposed Site Plan does not result in any new or significantly different environmental impacts from the previous Final General Environmental Impact Statement of 7/11/2001 and the Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement of 4/10/2004. MOTION THAT NO FURTHER SEAR REVIEW IS NECESSARY FOR SITE PLAN 5-2017 GREAT ESCAPE THEME PARK, LLC. Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption, seconded by Brad Magowan: As per the resolution prepared by staff. Duly adopted this 17`"day of January, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Ferone, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Ford, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Traver ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111.711,,2()17) NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-You're all set. Thank you very much. MR. SCHRODER-Thank you very much. MR. DEEB-You've got to do the resolution. MR. TRAVER-I'm sorry. I messed up again. We need one more resolution. We did SEAR but we need to do Site Plan. Sorry about that. MR. SCHRODER-That's all right. RESOLUTION APPROVING SP P-SP-5-2017 GREAT ESCAPE THEME PARK, LLC The applicant has submitted an application to the Planning Board for Site Plan approval pursuant to Article 9 of the Town zoning Ordinance for: Applicant proposes to install a new waterslide ride, where two slides are proposed. The project is an addition to the Alpine Free Fall complex. The facility currently has five slides and this project will add two additional slides. Pursuant to Chapter 179-9 of the Zoning Ordinance, new ride attractions shall be subject to Planning Board review and approval. Pursuant to relevant sections of the Town of Queensbury Zoning Code-Chapter 179-9-080, the Planning Board has determined that this proposal satisfies the requirements as stated in the Zoning Code; As required by General Municipal Law Section 239-m the site plan application was referred to the Warren County Planning Department for its recommendation; The Planning Board determined no additional SEAR review required as project does not exceed any threshold established in the FEIS of 7/11/2001 or Supplemental EIS of 4/10/2004. The Planning Board opened a public hearing on the Site plan application on 1/17/2017 and continued the public hearing to 1/17/2017, when it was closed, The Planning Board has reviewed the application materials submitted by the applicant and all comments made at the public hearing and submitted in writing through and including 1/17/2017; The Planning Board determines that the application complies with the review considerations and standards set forth in Article 9 of the Zoning Ordinance for Site Plan approval, MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN 5-2017 GREAT ESCAPE THEME PARK, LLC. Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption; Per the draft provided by staff conditioned upon the following conditions: 1) Waivers requestrg anted: 2) Adherence to the items outlined in the follow-up letter sent with this resolution. a) If application wall referred to engineering, then engineering sign-off required prior to signature of Zoning Administrator of the approved plans; b) Final approved plans, in compliance with the Site Plan, must be submitted to the Community Development Department before any further review by the Zoning Administrator or Building and Codes personnel; c) The applicant must meet with Staff after approval and prior to issuance of Building Permit and/or the beginning of any site work; d) Subsequent issuance of further permits, including building permits is dependent on compliance with this and all other conditions of this resolution; e) As-built plans to certify that the site plan is developed according to the approved plans to be provided prior to issuance of the certificate of occupancy; f) Resolution to be placed on final plans in its entirety and legible. Motion seconded by Thomas Ford. Duly adopted this 17`" day of January, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. TRAVER-All right. We'll try it again. Good luck. MR. SCHRODER-Thank you very much. MR. TRAVER-All right. Next we have Site Plan 2-2017 for Halliday Capital. SITE PLAN P-SP-2-2017 SPECIAL USE PERMIT P-SUP-1-2017 SEAR TYPE UNLISTED HALLIDAY CAPITAL, LLC AGENT(S) CORINNA MARTINO, PE OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING WR LOCATION 2599 RIDGE ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 3,600 SQ. FT. COMMERCIAL BOAT STORAGE BUILDING. PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT - WHERE APPLICANT NEEDS TO CONFIRM SCREENING PER 179-10-070. POTENTIAL STORAGE FOR FIVE BOATS WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 & 179-10-070 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, COMMERCIAL BOAT STORAGE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE AV 29-1996 WARREN CO. REFERRAL JANUARY 2017 SITE INFORMATION APA, LGPC LOT SIZE 1.62 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 240.5-1-32 SECTION 179-3-040, 179-10-070 MR. TRAVER-And this application has requested to be tabled until next week. There are some negotiations and discussions that are taking place in the background that don't concern us at this point, but probably they will next week, and so I guess what we need to do, unless there are any concerns about tabling, is to open the public hearing and leave it open. MRS. MOORE-Correct. Do you want me to just read the description into the record? MR. TRAVER-Sure. Yes, thank you. MRS. MOORE-So this applicant proposes to construct a 3,600 square foot commercial boat storage building. The applicant is proposing up to five commercial boat storage. This application, the actual language for the use allows for sales and service. This applicant has clearly indicated that they're not going to do any sales or service. It's just for commercial storage. MR. TRAVER-Okay, and my understanding is there are some outstanding issues with the building that they're planning on moving to accommodate this application that they're still working to resolve and they expect to have. MRS. MOORE-Right. So the building was proposed to be constructed, or is constructed in Washington County, and therefore it's an issue in Washington County with the APA. If the resolve of that is to physically move that building to this site in Queensbury, go through our review process, that would potentially resolve the APA issue, and I'm not certain but there may be other things that applicant needs to resolve with the APA, but for our purposes the applicant has completed the Site Plan application and followed through with the engineering and the drawings that are required to be submitted for Site Plan, and for this applicant, the representative and the client have asked to be tabled simply because of a conflict in schedule. MR. TRAVER-And just re-affirming that they want to be tabled to next week, right, the 24`"? MRS. MOORE-Correct. Yes. MR. TRAVER-All right. Does anyone have any concerns about the tabling motion? MR. FERONE-I had a question. I was looking for some clarification. So there's a lot of mention in here about how they are just looking for storage. They're not going to do any sales. They're not going to do any service, but the Special Use Permit is all inclusive? MRS. MOORE-No, you would not be granting those services. So this applicant would have to come back before the Board if those services were, if the applicant wished to do those. Is that the question? Sorry to read into your question. MR. TRAVER-It would limit the Special Use Permit to that storage only. MR. FORD-Storage only. MRS. MOORE-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Okay, and we also would have the option to not make it permanent if we wanted to. ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MRS. MOORE-Yes, correct. MR. TRAVER-All right. Then if there are no objections, we'll go ahead and do a tabling motion. MRS. MOORE-Prior to you doing your tabling you should do your public hearing. It appears that there's someone in the audience, if you wish to hear them, or you can ask them to come to next week's meeting where the applicant could hear the same question. However you wish to proceed. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Who is here to speak on this application? You, sir? Okay. AUDIENCE MEMBER-I drove three and a half hours to get here in an ice storm and I'd prefer not to have to come back next week. I saw that the meeting was on. I didn't check to see if this application was. MR. TRAVER-Sure. Well go ahead and come up to the table and give us your name. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED JERRY CRANE MR. CRANE-So my name's Jerry Crane. I live at 2557 Ridge Road Queensbury. I have the property just north of this. It's currently one lot that's been subdivided. So there'll be two homes on the lots. The second home that's going to get constructed will be near this project. My concern is that, well, I didn't own the property when the boat parking was originally allowed. So I was hoping to get some clarification on the zoning now, as to what it was before. So is the zoning on the property currently WR? MRS. MOORE-Correct, it is, but I'm not certain this is the project. I know there's an existing boat storage facility on one side. MR. CRANE-Is this on the right side going north? MRS. MOORE-Let me pull this up so you can see. So Castaway Marina has permission for a boat storage facility that is in existence. This applicant currently does not have that in existence. So I'm not certain if this is the right property. So you said you believe you're living to the north of this property? MR. CRANE-I'm directly across from Castaway's entrance. MRS. MOORE-So this is Castaway's existing storage. They have existing storage, and then you potentially are this one? MR. CRANE-Yes. MRS. MOORE-Okay. MR. CRANE-So now they're going to build on where you have that outlined? MRS. MOORE-Yes. MR. CRANE-And that's Castaway Marina also? MRS. MOORE-No, it is not. Two separate. Castaway is this one, and I don't know if the building is under construction but last year they were given approval to construct a new building, take down the existing building and build a new one. MR. CRANE-All right, well, I thought it was going on that property. That's why I'm here. And screening, was there any, when he applied for his new building permit, was there screening part of that application? MRS. MOORE-I'd have to look at that application material. MR. TRAVER-If I recall, the applicant stated there was vegetative screening. That's, without going through it again, that's what I recall. ((').Ueeiri c1)Uir f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. CRANE-My concern is that when you walk my property now there's boats parked right up, I guess that whole lot was filled in at one point by somebody. So from my property line up to that it's 15, 20 feet high, but boats are parked right up to the edge. MR. TRAVER-Yes, well this application is for interior storage and five boats only maximum. MR. CRANE-So it's not that lot. All right. Thank you very much. MR. TRAVER-And, again, this application will be before us again a week from tonight if you want to come back. All right. No one else speaking on this application, then we will keep the public hearing open. MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN 2-2017 & SPECIAL USE PERMIT 1-2017 HALLIDAY CAPITAL, LLC. Introduced by George Ferone who moved for its adoption, seconded by Brad Magowan: Tabled until the January 24, 2017 Planning Board meeting. Duly adopted this 17`" day of January, 2017 by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Deeb, Ms. White, Mr. Ford, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE MR. TRAVER-All right. Let's see. The next application is 1-2017, Sketch Plan Douglas & Marie Baertschi. SUBDIVISION P-SUB-1-2017 (SKETCH PLAN) SEAR TYPE UNLISTED DOUGLAS & MARIE BAERTSCHI AGENT(S) HUTCHINS ENGINEERING OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING RR-5A LOCATION 77 OLD WEST MOUNTAIN ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES A 3 LOT SUBDIVISION OF A 60.68 ACRE PARCEL. ONE LOT TO CONTAIN EXISTING HOME WITH 50.2 ACRES. LOT 2 IS TO BE 5.1 ACRES & LOT 3 IS TO BE 5.4 ACRES PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 183 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SUBDIVISION OF LAND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE 1998 SINGLE FAMILY RES. WARREN CO. REFERRAL N/A LOT SIZE 60.68 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 288.1-80 SECTION CHAPTER 183 LUCAS DOBIE, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT MRS. MOORE-This applicant proposes a three lot subdivision of 60.68 acres. One lot will contain the existing home, and this is a 50.2 acre parcel. Lot Two is a 5.1 acre parcel and Lot Three is to be a 5.4 acre parcel, and I just noted the residential design requirements, some of this is due to its location, it's not applicable, such as, I think there's mentioning of the rock walls and things like that. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Good evening. MR. DOBIE-Good evening, Mr. Chairman and good evening, Board, and for the record Lucas Dobie with Hutchins Engineering. At the table with me is Mr. and Mrs. Baertschi, Doug and Marie, and their daughter Jennifer and their son-in-law Greg, and we're here to get the process started for a three lot family subdivision, if you will. The applicant have two children and would like to convey off about five acres to each of them so their children can build a home eventually, and the Baertschi's own 60 acres just south of the corner as you're heading south on the Old West Mountain Road. Originally this was a 95 acre parcel, including 35 acres to the north, which had a two lot subdivision in 1992, and the Baertschi's bought the southern 60 acres, built their home and subsequent to that, approximately 1993, and the way I see for our usable density, when we take out our slopes greater than 20% from the USGS topo, you see about 20 acres of the usable density, if you will, mostly upland is the flatter, which is ironic is where we're going to have to deal with our slopes along the road which we're still at a real preliminary stage for that, but I believe we'll be able to meet our density, our five acre lot size. We're going to come short on our 400 feet of road frontage because there's only 650 feet now. We'll probably do a flag lot for one of the lots and do a shared driveway to two of the building lots once we nail down our location and do our engineering and grading and all that. So we're at a little bit of a preliminary stage. We wanted to get the process going this winter so when the weather breaks we can hit it hard and make sure it's a good feasible project. So we'll keep it simple at that and appreciate your input on this. Thank you. ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. TRAVER-Sure. Well, the first thing that caught my eye was the variances that are being required. I mean, just looking at the numbers, but before even looking at the actual Sketch, you know, 400 feet required and 25 feet, that's quite a variance. MR. DOBIE-As a percentage, certainly. MR. TRAVER-Yes, and the lot width as well, 400 required and 280 requested. That's quite a, we have dealt with flag lots, not frequently, but that does come up. You are, it appears, quite limited in terms of the different configurations you have for this property. MR. DOBIE-Yes, without a doubt. Our plan will be to get up there and do our topo and find our building and appropriate building envelopes, then work our way down and work the geometry off of that, find a good balance for the variance request. MR. TRAVER-Okay. Other comments on this Sketch Plan? MR. HUNSINGER-How close is the new proposed shared driveway to the culvert that's shown on the one plot that you submitted, the one that says Robinson Estate, it shows a culvert there? It's hard to tell from the maps. MR. DOBIE-Yes. We're going to end up, based upon some subsequent work from this, and, Mr. Hunsinger, our road cut is going to be almost to the southerly edge of the property. So we're going to be approximately 150 feet to 200 feet south of that culvert. The culvert's at approximately the low point of the road. You start to gain elevation to the south so we're going to pick up our driveway at the highest road elevation that we can to try to keep the slope out of our driveway as best we can. MR. HUNSINGER-1 mean, just to pick up on Steve's comments, when you first look at the variances, variance requests, it seemed, you know, my first thought was well why are they asking for such a significant number, but if you look at where the existing house is, and I think what you're proposing kind of makes sense to have a flag shaped lot with a driveway down to the road. Especially since the existing house is the property owner. Because it's one thing to have a house behind you if you already live there, but it's another thing if you're proposing to do it. MR. DOBIE-Yes, I'm sure. Then you have the not in my backyard argument. MR. HUNSINGER-Exactly. In this case they want it. MR. MAGOWAN-And I like that family tie idea, you know, keep the family tight. MR. TRAVER-That's right. MR. MAGOWAN-Keep them together. MR. TRAVER-Yes, it looks like a very nice piece of property. DOUGLAS BAERTSCHI MR. BAERTSCHI-When my wife and I bought the property 23 years ago, that was our hope when we first bought this property, that someday we could give each one of our children a plot to build a house on, and that's where we are today. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. HUNSINGER-So how long is the driveway going back to Lot Two? MR. DOBIE-It's much longer than we're going to come back with. It's put something on paper or estimated our grade. That's unfeasibly long that one. So we're going to try to keep the Lot Two house as far forward towards the road as we can so try to keep it under 1,000 feet anyway. MR. HUNSINGER-And do you know what the slope of the driveway will be? MR. DOBIE-We're going to try to hold 10 to 12% and shape it as best we can to fit the terrain of, I'm not comfortable going more than 12%. MR. TRAVER-Yes, that's quite a. ((').Ueeiri c1)Uir f eefiirng ()111 711,,2()1 7) MR. DOBIE-There's plenty that are steeper than that, but for new construction we're not comfortable with that as s practice with our firm. MR. FORD-There are those of us who share that lack of comfort. MS. WHITE-I wouldn't wish that on anyone. MR. HUNSINGER-You have a steep driveway. MS. WHITE-That's what I was just saying, and that's why I have a broken arm at the moment. MR. TRAVER-All right, well, any other comments or feedback we can give to the applicant on Sketch? I'm sure you're aware the variances would be up to the ZBA, you know, and typically we're asked for a recommendation. They may have the same sticker shock when they see those numbers before they look at the actual context within which you're requesting that. MR. HUNSINGER-I think one of the things you really have going for you is the amount of acreage. Both lots are otherwise within the five acre requirement, and they're sharing a driveway. MR. TRAVER-Yes, indeed. Do you have any questions for us? MR. DOBIE-I don't believe so at this point. We've done a few of them with you in the past and had a good experience. So we're looking forward to working with you, hopefully be back in the late spring, early summer with a good design. Thank you very much for your time. MR. TRAVER-Sure. Yes, you're welcome. Good luck. All right, and last but not least we have a discussion item. Discussion 1-2017 for Seaton Property Holdings. DISCUSSION ITEM DISCUSSION ITEM PZ-DISC-1-2017 SEAR TYPE N/A — DISCUSSION SEATON PROPERTY HOLDINGS AGENT(S) ETHAN P. HALL OWNER(S) SAME AS APPLICANT ZONING CLI LOCATION 308 & 310 CORINTH ROAD APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A 15,000 SQ. FT. ENCLOSED POLE BARN BUILDING FOR WOOD PRODUCT — FIREWOOD & PELLETS; AND TO PLACE TWO 1,200 SQ. FT. KILN UNITS ON THE SITE. PROJECT INCLUDES MERGER OF LOTS 308.16-1-55, -56, -58 & - 61. EXISTING BUILDINGS (4) TO REMAIN WITH ADDITIONAL CLEARING AND INSTALLATION OF GRAVEL PARKING & MATERIAL STORAGE AREA (LOGS, WOODCHIPS, ETC.) PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 179-3-040 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, LIGHT MANUFACTURING — WOOD PRODUCTS, LOGGING COMPANY, SHALL BE SUBJECT TO PLANNING BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CROSS REFERENCE SP 27-2006 SELF STORAGE BLDGS., SP 65-2013 A-1 TREEWORKS WARREN CO. REFERRAL N/A LOT SIZE 9.54 ACRES TAX MAP NO. 308.16-1-55, -56, -58 & -61 SECTION 179-3-040 ETHAN HALL, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT; MARTIN SEATON, PRESENT MRS. MOORE-Okay. This applicant proposes to construct a 15,000 square foot enclosed pole barn building for a wood product, this includes firewood and pellets and to also place two 1200 square foot kiln units on the site. The project involves the merger of adjacent lots 55, 56, 58 and 61. There is an existing, there are existing buildings on the site to remain with additional clearing and installation of gravel parking and material storage area. The information also notes that one of the adjoining lots received approval to construct an additional building that they haven't constructed yet but intend to do so. MR. TRAVER-All right. Thank you. Good evening. MR. HALL-Good evening. For the record Ethan Hall with Rucinski Hall Architecture and Martin Seaton, owner of A-1 Treeworks. We're here tonight as a discussion item. In anticipation we have our civil engineering team working on the stormwater management and things of that nature, but we wanted to get the project in front of you, similar to what I did last month with the Howard project, just to kind of give you a flair for where we're at with this. Martin has purchased the property and is currently occupying the one lot just adjacent to his 308 and now he's purchased 310, and the intent, he has approval to put up a 5,000 square foot building at 308, which is for some equipment storage. This new building and the new lot we're talking about is for firewood processing and for storage of firewood when they come back from whatever job sites they're on taking trees down, bring them back, process the firewood. In an effort to keep that operation running year round, they want to put the firewood processing and ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) palletization machine inside a building. So we're looking at a building, 75 by 200, roughly, that has the machinery in it that can load the logs in and process everything inside the building and then bring the firewood out. It's pelletized and then the two 1200 square foot containers that we're talking about are kilns that would fire, that would dry the firewood, kiln dry the firewood, so it would be processed a little faster. MR. TRAVER-And it gets rid of the invasives. MR. HALL-And that helps to get rid of the invasives as well. So that's kind of what we're looking at. It is pretty much on that lot. It's a clear cut to the 30 foot buffers so that they've got room to maneuver logs and stockpile logs and things. It is all held to the back of the lot, as far back as we could keep it so it's not right up on Corinth Road. The houses that are on the lot are going to stay. The garage that's on the lot is going to stay. Everything that's there, all of this work, takes place behind it. For the most part it's a crushed stone driveway, gravel driveway coming back to where the logs are going to be dropped. Everything there just stays as a grassed area or underneath the logs. There's no hard surface or anything that goes on there. We do, at the back of the lot, have a vehicle storage pad set up to separate that from the wood chips and the wood pulp processing. We've got, we're planning to put bollards in. We'll probably just take logs and stand them up in the ground so there's nothing to roll up against the vehicles and nothing to roll into that space. So that's really what we're looking at. As far as lighting goes on the lot, we are planning a row of solar lights that are motion activated and timer activated so that if somebody comes in at night, the lights come on, they stay on for a certain period of time, and if there's no motion, they go back off, but that way they're less intrusive. They don't stay on for, you know, the whole night, and the solar factor was a big plus for us. MR. TRAVER-Well, a couple of things that occurred to me in thinking about this potential project, I know that in the general area, with wood processing, we've had some huge issues with noise from the machinery. So I'd be interested in knowing what you're doing for noise abatement. The other thing I was wondering about, and I don't know anything about the kiln dried firewood and what it costs, but is there going to be smoke, or, you know, in this processing is there going to be odors generated? I know, again, from being a caveman out in the islands that if a fire is sort of, and I lived in the Virgin Islands for a while where they would always have these charcoal fires and, you know, if wood is heated to a certain temperature it emits various gases as part of the kiln process, and I'm just wondering about odors or, you know, people living in the area. MR. SEATON-It's more like a campfire or something like that. MR. TRAVER-Okay. So it would be a pleasant odor to most people. MR. SEATON-Yes, but it's going to be so far set back I feel by the time it gets to anybody it's going to be so diluted, to be honest. That's why we wanted it to be so far back. MR. HALL-Back and against the former West Side Auto property. MR. TRAVER-Right. MR. HALL-We butt right up against that West Side Auto property. MR. TRAVER-So there's few, if any residential, in that area. MR. HALL-In that area. MR. MAGOWAN-It's going to be a wood fired kiln? MR. SEATON-Yes. MR. FERONE-What is the timing like? Is it a 24 hour a day operation? MR. SEATON-No, it's just during the daytime. I'm not looking to do 24/7 or anything like that. It's just purely during the daytime hours. MR. TRAVER-But I think to Brad's point, the kilns, though, I would assume those would be going 24 hours a day. Right? MR. SEATON-The kilns will be, yes. MR. TRAVER-Okay. ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. SEATON-And there's different ways of doing kilns. You can do, you can burn wood to heat the wood, or you can do propane, or, I was thinking if I'm doing pellets I might see if I can use the pellets to heat the wood because then it's all recycled. So I feel that that's probably the better way to go about it, and it's more, it's a lot cheaper that way, also. MR. TRAVER-It's somewhat automated that way. MR. SEATON-Yes. MR. MAGOWAN-Well, the only thing I see, during discussion, I think it's a great idea, all right, but what concerns me is, one, is the land next to you, the West Side Auto, you know, Lebowitz, that's a large parcel and someday it's going to be developed by something, but what brings me to mind, and that's why I asked you, is it's a wood fired kiln, is the fact that it's almost like an outdoor burner, you know, outdoor furnace, which we don't allow in Queensbury anymore, you know what I'm saying? Because what you actually do is you shut that right down to kind of a smolder. I mean, you don't have to over-heat, superheat your, it just had to be at a certain temperature for a long time. MR. SEATON-That's right. MR. MAGOWAN-So with the different, you know, atmospheric pressures, I mean, I come out of the house sometimes and you can smell the neighbor's, you know, the stink pipes on top of the houses. It really changes it. I know like in New Hampshire they don't have that law and next door to my brother, his uncle, I mean in the summertime you can't have your windows open, you know, what I'm saying, because it's downward smoldering and there's different temperatures and the lower really the stinkier it is. So pelletizing definitely burns it, you know, you can burn it cleaner. You can change the rate where, you know, so you're not getting a smoldering. I don't know, I know the pelletizing does burn cleaner. So I would look more into the pelletizing, but like I said, that's such a large operation that you're going to be running, you know, 365 days a year, pelletizing it or, especially if you're packaging firewood for camp, for the Cumberland Farms or whatever, and that's big business, because you can only take wood 40 or 50 miles away. MR. SEATON-And so many people are these days. You can see them driving up the Northway like that. There's laws against that. MR. MAGOWAN-1 read in the paper some people pick up the crayfish there to fish with in Lake George. I mean, thank God we have this, that was picked up because all you need is one to pop off and they'd take off. MR. TRAVER-They actually did a, I think it was DEC, did a study last summer on the Northway, at one of the rest areas they were pulling people over and checking. They were curious as to what percentage of people were complying with the 15 mile an hour, and it was zero percent. MR. HALL-What you find is a lot of people aren't necessarily aware that that's an issue. They're going to go camping. They grab firewood from their house. Why am I going to buy firewood when I've got it right here? Well, it's coming up from New Jersey and who knows what you're bringing, you know, what species or what's in your. They've got some deforestation bugs down there that are really creating havoc and over in the Berkshires they've got a real problem with some deforestational bugs that are going on over there. MR. MAGOWAN-So where do you think all these invasive species have come from? But I would definitely look into your kiln to the fact, because I know, because that, to me, is an outdoor burner. You know what I'm saying? So you're creating, you might be in an industrial zone, but over in Kingsbury they have the processing there of bedding chips MR. TRAVER-That's what I was alluding to before. MR. MAGOWAN-But a lot of that's a cyclone, all right. Really it's static electricity that fires up the dust. So you're going to be chipping down, and like I said, I think it's a great idea. MR. HALL-Most of the chipping that they do is done off site. They've got a big chipper that they drag behind a truck and most of that's brought in from off site, the wood chips, and then the wood chips are converted into the pellets and machinery that would be inside the building that we're proposing. MR. MAGOWAN-Yes, but they're going to be ground. They're going to have moisture in them because they're still pressed. So, you know, you're going to have to dry them out and you're going to have to, to me it sounds like the same kind of theory. You're going to have like a ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) cyclone thing because you've got to circulate. You just can't heat the bottom like a pot and put it on the stove there and think that it's going to dry everything out. You've got to have the air circulation. MR. HALL-Yes, mixing it up. MR. TRAVER-Well, you're not the first application to do this. So there must be information out there from other processors that have set up systems that are successful. So I assume you're going to do a bit of market research. MR. HALL-Yes. MR. TRAVER-Laura, I don't know if you have any comments with regard to potential SEAR issues but, you know. MR. FERONE-Aren't there regs to the type of operation that they're looking to get into. MRS. MOORE-There wasn't anything identified at this point. MR. HALL-Yes. We ran into the biggest problem was trying to figure out parking. MR. TRAVER-Yes, at this point you don't have a site plan or any kind of specifics, either. MR. HALL-We did. We supplied the application with the specifics as far as, you know, what's required and what we've actually got and Laura and I spent a good half an hour, forty-five minutes trying to figure out, you know, total parking and how do you figure out because does it fall under light manufacturing kind of. Does it fall under logging operation? Kind of. Does it fall under, you know, and I think we came up with three or four different things that it could probably fall under. So we took kind of a mix. MR. HUNSINGER-Yes. You really haven't told us much about the pelletizing facility. MR. HALL-The building itself. MR. HUNSINGER-I was involved with a project in Herkimer County, Northeast Wood Products, and they have another plant in Massachusetts, I believe, and it's a, you know, commercial operation. The pelletize wood and they sell the pelletized, and they sell it to, you know, they're a wholesaler. They sell it to like Tractor Supply. MR. HALL-And the stove places. MR. HUNSINGER-Yes, but, I mean, that was a huge, and it was really an industrial project, you know, it was manufacturing. MR. HALL-Right. MR. HUNSINGER-And, you know, huge equipment. Huge stacks, but it begs the question what the machinery is and noise and is it all contained inside the building? MR. TRAVER-Right. It seems to me, generally, I mean at this early stage that if I were you my focus would be on what's leaving the site, whether it be fumes or smoke or noise. I think, you know, the building and setting up equipment inside generally is probably going to be workable. It's just my concern is going to be, you know, what's going to be the impact on the surrounding area and the SEAR kinds of issues. Now I assume that there must be information out there on processes. I know that with smoke there's scrubbers and different things that can be used, and again I don't know the volume that's going to be generated, but you will, and noise. Being inside the building that makes it a lot easier I would think to do that. We just had a gun range the other day. MR. HALL-Right. MR. TRAVER-So, you know, but those, I think, are the areas that I would, that would stand out initially would be, okay, it's, you know, here's your property. We understand you're doing this industrial thing, but what's going to be the impact on the surrounding area. MR. HALL-Right. The building itself is a pole barn style building, metal siding, metal roofing. It'll have big overhead doors so that they can, actually we're probably looking at having to put like sliding doors on it so that it can move full logs inside the building. That was one of the challenges that Martin and I talked about is, okay, how do you get a 30 foot log inside a ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) building? You've got to have a big opening to get it in, and if it's only a 75 foot building, and then be able to turn it around. So the biggest thing that we looked at is why we're limited to 75 feet. That's as big a truss as we can get. MR. TRAVER-Right. MR. HALL-To make it a clear span so that we can. MR. HUNSINGER-I mean, that was my summer job was cutting logs, 75 foot logs, into 8, 10 and 12 foot logs. MR. HALL-And the processor, you have the fire wood processor already. MR. SEATON-Yes. I already have the wood processor part. MR. HALL-So that is a piece of machinery it's about the size of a tractor trailer, the trailer bed part, and you load the log on it. It automatically cuts it to 16, 24 inch lengths, and then it drops the log in and pushes it through a splitter. It drops off the splitter onto a conveyor belt. Runs up the conveyor belt and drops it off the end. MR. TRAVER-And you've got split fire wood ready for the kiln. MR. HALL-All you do is throw the logs on it. MR. HUNSINGER-So they buy full logs? MR. HALL-He doesn't buy them. MR. SEATON-1 don't buy them. MR. HALL-Because being a tree surgeon and going out. MR. TRAVER-So you literally put a whole tree in one end and you get, it's like Oscar Meyer. They lead animals on one end with a leash and all that comes out on the other end is ice water and carbon dioxide. MR. HALL-But it's a pretty interesting process. I watched the videos from the piece of equipment that it's got, and that may be worth, you know, actually getting up on the screen so you can take a look at it, but you can see, it's got a conveyor belt, self-contained, and they bring in the log, drop it on the end, and the arms grab it and hold on to it and it chops it off and that piece drops off and it slides it forward and it chops another piece, and it's just a continuous operation. So that being inside the building, and with no openings on that side, the only openings would be on the larger side of the property. So any of the sound that's generated in there, because of the size of the building, we will have to put a sprinkler system in it, just knowing what we have to have. So fire suppression we've already talked about that a little bit. MR. DEEB-Well, I was going to mention that. I want to talk about that for a second. Brad mentioned the one in Kingsbury, and they've had quite a few problems down there, and have you researched that? MR. HALL-Yes. MR. DEEB-I mean, what kind of consideration have you given to safety and fire hazards? MR. HALL-Yes, we know that the building has to be, you have to run a full sprinkler system in it. We know that that has to happen. It's just based on the size of the building and what's taking place inside. So we've already accounted for that. MR. MAGOWAN-And it's going to be insulated. MR. HALL-It more than likely will be to some extent, but we're not talking about heating the building because there's no need to put any heat in it. MR. TRAVER-You probably don't have to really with the kilns going. MR. SEATON-Well, the kilns are on a separate unit. MR. HALL-The kilns are outside. 03 ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. MAGOWAN-The only problem you have a metal building and all that noise. You're going to have a lot of echoing. MR. HALL-That's really what we're talking about. MR. MAGOWAN-Probably just enough for sound deadening if anything. MR. HALL-Yes. MR. SEATON-Yes, that's what I was thinking. MR. HALL-For sound purposes more than heat because technically if he burns wood to produce the heat, we don't have to comply to an energy code. So that's one of the nice parts of that portion of it, but those are the things that we're looking at as far as that goes. The pelletizer, I think that's significantly smaller than what you're thinking of, but we've got the idea. MR. HUNSINGER-How many employees will you have? MR. SEATON-Between two to five employees. So there's not going to be tons and tons because the technology today, and it's just moving equipment in the building, stacking the pellets and that sort of thing. It's, like log processing you just need one guy operating it and one guy walking around just checking on it. MR. TRAVER-Yes, there must be a lot of maintenance on that processor with the splitter and the blades and all that. MR. SEATON-There can be, yes. MR. TRAVER-That's got to be amazing. MR. SEATON-Yes. MR. TRAVER-I visited a friend of mine who was building a cabin, a hunting cabin, down in central New York and he rented or borrowed like a, I think he called it a portable saw mill, and he towed it behind a truck, and that thing was amazing. It was similar, not as complicated as what you're talking about. He literally put a log on there and this thing would. MR. HALL-Just go back and forth like a band saw almost. MR. TRAVER-Yes. It was amazing, really neat to see it. It was loud, however. This was just outdoors, you know, and he had it for a week or something. MR. HALL-To mill some material off the site. MR. TRAVER-Yes. MR. HALL-So that's kind of the intent of where we're headed with this. Like I said, my civil engineers are working on the stormwater management and those types of things now. So we intended to have it in by the deadline today. Unfortunately we're a little behind on that. So we're hoping to have that in for February. So we'll be back in to see you. MR. TRAVER-All right. Well, are there any other questions of the applicant on this discussion item? Do you have any questions? MR. MAGOWAN-You hit the nail on the head. What we'd be looking for is sound and, you know, what leaves the site, really the smell. That's the only thing I would look into and like I said, now days, you know, all the other stuff you can do. Like I said, it just reminds me of an outdoor boiler. MR. HALL-Right. MR. MAGOWAN-And like I said, once you're up to temperature it's not like you can just turn the flame off, you know what I'm saying, so you take the air away and then you get the smoldering and then you get the smell. MR. TRAVER-All right. Any questions for us? MR. SEATON-1 don't think so, no. ((').Ueeiri W:1")Uir° f eefiirng ()111711,,2()17) MR. TRAVER-All right. Thank you. We'll see you soon, then. That concludes our agenda for tonight. Do we have any other business before the Board this evening? MRS. MOORE-There is an emergency contact sheet. If you have not forwarded that information to Sunny, then hard copies are fine for me. MR. TRAVER-Yes. We, I believe, have those completed. MRS. MOORE-And if I'm correct, David, you're not going to be here next week? MR. DEEB-Right. MR. TRAVER-Right, correct. All right. Well, then we'll entertain a motion to adjourn, I guess. MR. FORD-So moved. MR. MAGOWAN-Second. MR. TRAVER-Any opposed? All right. Thank you, everybody. Please drive carefully. It's pretty nasty out there. MR. DEEB-I'll see you all in February. MOTION TO ADJOURN THE QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF JANUARY 17, 2017, Introduced by Thomas Ford who moved for its adoption, seconded by David Deeb: Duly adopted this 17`" day of January, 2017, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Ford, Mr. Magowan, Mr. Ferone, Ms. White, Mr. Deeb, Mr. Hunsinger, Mr. Traver NOES: NONE On motion meeting was adjourned. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, Stephen Traver, Chairman 25