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SPECIAL MEETING FEBRUARY 4, 1975
EMBERS PRESENT:
Gordon S. Streeter-Supervisor
Daniel Olson-Councilman
Robert Barber-Councilman
Harold Robillard-Councilman
Hammond Robertson-Councilman
J. David Little-Town Counsel
PRESS : Lee-Coleman, Sus. Burzynski
`— GUESTS: Members of the Fire Companies of the Town, Mr. Murray,
Ray Buckley
Meeting Opened 7: 30 p.m. Salute to the Flag. . .
PUBLIC HEARING-FIRE COMPANY CONTRACTS- Notice Shown
Supervisor Streeter-passed out copies of the agreement to the five
fire companies. . .
Hearing Opened; 7: 36 P.11.
Glen Gregory-noted the certified audit was in the contract but
questioned why other provisions that the contract committee gave
the Town Board as to -future year take into consideration population,
number of buildings-building structure along with the . 0015 was not
in the contract. . .
Supervisor Streeter-Did not have any idea that that was a part of the
contract, I thought that was a suggestion that was made when we get
into negotiate for- another years 0antract. . .
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GL0-ri Gregory- The Certified Audit does^appear in the contract. . .
J. David Little-The Audit request does appear in the contract. . .
Glen Gregory-This is a request that the Town Board gave us that there
be a certified audit one of the provisions that we gave the Town Board
was that they take into consideration in next years pay was to take
into consideration other aspects of the population, number of buildings,
type of buildings, in the town. . .
Supervisor Streeter-I believe it was common agreement of the Town Board
that we should discuss these areas another year. . . It was not my impression
that it be a part of the contract this year. . .
Councilman Olson- It was not mine. . . I did not realize that it was to be
in the contract. . .
Councilman Robillard-This is not a provisions of the Town Board it is
provision for the resident of the town who are paying for fire protection
to have a right to know where the money is being spent, it is not for
the town board. . . . I think the Town Board and the Five Fire Companies
agreed to the figures along with a certified audit and not any avenue
for opening the contracts next year under a different formula except for
the fact that we would consider this aften,, the fire protection met
and discussed it. . .
RESOLUTION FOR FIRE PROTECTION CONTRACTS
RESOLUTION N0, 49• Introduced by Mr. Daniel Olson who moved its
adoption, seconded by Mr. Robert Barber :
WHEREAS, there has been duly established in the Town of Queensbury a
fire protection district known as "Town of Queensbury Fire Protection
District" embracing all of the territory of said Town, and
WHEREAS, it is proposed that contracts be entered into with Bay Ridge
Volunteer Fire Company, Inc . , West Glens Falls Volunteer Fire Co. ,
North Queensbury Volunteer Fire Co. , South Queensbury Volunteer Fire Co.
and Queensbury Central Volunteer Fire Co, for the furnishing of Fire
protection to such district and
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WHEREAS , due notice has been given of a public hearing to be held'at
the Town Office Building, Bay and Haviland Roads in said town on the
4th day of February, 1975 at 7: 30 P.M. to consider such contracts the
notice duly specifying the time and place of the hearing as aforesaid
and giving in general terms the proposed contract, and
WHEREAS, said hearing having been held and all persons appearing having
been heard, it is hereby
RESOLVED, that this Town Board contract with the said Bay Ridge Fire Co. ,
West Glens Falls Fire Co. , North Queensbury Fire Co. , South Queensbury
Fire Co. , and Queensbury Central Fire Co. , for the furnishing of fire
protection to such district, and it is further
RESOLVED, that the said contracts be executed in behalf of this Board
by the Supervisor.
Duly adopted by the following vote:
Ayes : Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber, Mr. Robillard, Mr. Robertson, Mr. Streeter
Noes : None
Absent:None
Hearing Closed: 7: 46 Contracte signed. . .
Recess-
Meeting Opened: 7 :55P.M.
RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT BID ON WING BOX, WING AND FRONT PLO14 MOUNTING BRACKETS
RESOLUTION NO. 50 Introduced by Mr. Robert Barber who moved its adoption,
seconded y Mr. aniel Olson:
WHEREAS, Carl Garb, Highway Superintendent did request the Town Board
to advertise for bids for a new wing, box, Awing and front plow mountiftgr
brackets and after proper advertising one bid was received from Burley
Machinery Inc. Elnora; New York the amount being $7,477. 00, Now, there-
fore be it
RESOLVED, that the bid of Burley Machinery Inc. of Elnora, New York
be accepted with the following stipulations , that a Certificate of
Insurance while in care and custody for installation be provided for
fire and casualty and that the wing boa be installed f.o.b. to and from
Glens Falls, New York.
Duly adopted by the following vote:
Ayes : Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber , Mr: Robillard, Mr. Robertson, Mr. Streeter
Noes : None
Absent: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIEING SUBSURFACE INVESTIGATION AT LANDFILL
RESOLUTION NO. 51 Introduced by Mr. Harold Robillard who moved its
adoption, secon- de-ft by Mr. Hammond Robertson:
WHEREAS, the Town Board deems it necessary in the public interest to
conduct a subsurface investigation regarding the town landfill, now
therefore be it ....
RESOLVED, that the Town of Queensbury employ the services of Empire
Soils Investigations Inc. to do this job, a schedule of fees is as
follows :
1. 'LZobilization and Demobilization to the site
Lump stun $ 150. 00
2. Auger Drilling - per foot 5. 00
3. Well Pint piezometers - each 50. 00
4. Casing per foot 1.25
5. Drilling with NL-100 coring - per foot 10.00
6. On site stand-by or mobilization on site in
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excess of one hour between boring locatiana
per hour $ 40. 00
and be it further
RESOLVED, that the cost of this project is not to exceed $3, 000. 00
Duly adopted by the following vote :
Ayes : Mr. Olson, Mr. Barber, Mr. Robillard, Mr. Robertson, Mr. Streeter
Noes : None
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Absent: stone
Mr. Murray-Who is Empire Well drillers . . .where are they from?
Councilman Robertson-Empire Soils Investigations, Inc. -These people
are hereto take detailed soil samples on the way down, they are not
ordinary.; well drillers, that is why we used them, they come out of
Groton, New York
Supervisor Streeter-They have an office in Albany, N.Y.
Mr. Murray-What will be their function actually, they will take samples
on the-way down with the drilling?
Mr. Buckley-They will take samples of the soil the water samples will be
taken later. ..
Mr. Murray-They will take samples at what intervals?
Mr. Buckley-Every ten foot or every significant change in the material.
Mr. Murray-You have contacted E.P.A. of course, what recomendations
did they make for samples of soil. . .
Mr. Buckley-They simply suggested that we retain samples of the
soil in case any later testing was suggested, the testing they
recommended was on the water itself after Empire completes their
work.
Mr. Murray- Have you made any request to E,P.A. if they would send
an individual to the area to give you recommendations on the
whole operation, how it should be conducted?
Mr. Buckley- No, I have reviewed our approach with them and they are
in concurance on the approach we are taking here and they have agreeded
to review the results of the data. . .
Mr. Murray-You have not requested that anyone come, and actually visit
the area. . . . see what the situation is?
Mr. Buckley-1 did not make that request. The people from the State will
be up to review the procedure.
Mr. Murray-I believe it will be 4n excellant Idea to have;_someone come
from the Federal Government to review the over all procedure on the
whole operation rather than do it piecemeal, to actually see what the
situation is.
Mr. Buckley-I think they are satisfied that by taking the data in the
method that we are doing here that they could make their judgement after
the data is collected.
Mr. Murray-I do not see how they could be satisfied unless they hadecom-
plete information . . . . if we are going to spend 6250 dollars for an inde-
pendent agency to come in and make a survey for us even if we had to pay
them a per-diem and transportation fee I am sure would not come anywhere
near as much as independent survey would cost, I think they could do
a lot more efficient job and a better survey and an over all operational
techniquem My thought on that is how far down actually should that well
go, I think could only be determined by an onsitte inspection, of the. area
and the period of time . . .material were dumped into the area, not that I
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do not believe this is a good idea. How deep the wells should go is
the problem. There are several differenntlayers you can contact water
on in different elevations and depths, so how far it should go is a matter
of importance I would think. Among other thinks of course the samples
and other suggestions that you might have to make, and I think the cost
of inviting one of the men from E.P.A. might be absolutely zero I do not
know -Itther they would charge anything at all? I think they would spend
a day or two with you and different men of the Town Board and your own
Environmental Committee. . . and they might be able to come up with . . . .
a lot more beneficial than going at it piece meal because you would get
an overall picture, you would know just where you stand.
Councilman Barber-It is my appreciation of the matter that as far as com-
parison of the "two agencies. . . as far as the Federal E.P.A. and the N.Y.
St. Dept. of Environmental Conservation is that the Dept. of Environmental"'
Conservation of the State of N.Y. have more stringent regulations and
guide lines for solid waste controls and landfills than the E,P.A. does. . .
Mr. Murray-I have contacted D.E.C. and there has been an admission
that perhaps their analysis in the past as not been all what it should
have been, and as a consequence it is my feeling that the feberal govern-
. ment should get into it, as a reforcing factor. . .
Mr. Buckley-I believe N.Y. State has been envolved in establishing these
regulations longer than E.P.A. . . .
Councilman Barber-noted thru his experiences that E.E.A. is just in
the drafting stages , N.Y. State has stringent regulations. . . .
Mr. Murray-Noted that Environmental Council information on Mud Pond
was in error-Mud pond being frequently dry. . . it is my understanding
that at most times Mud Pond is at least 10' deep in the middle. D.E.C.
who was present when the error was mentioned Note if water was
polluted that( could be polluted. . .
Councilman Barber-noted that before 1972 there were no rules for
landfill operations after 1972 rules were set up. . .
Mr. hurray-Questioned that if 25% addition to a landfil - then
DEC would have control. . . noted that land has been purchased
for the landfill. . .
Mr. Buckley-The way_ they interpret this is addim.g- to the land area
that the landfill services . . .
Mr. Murray- You are going to have a permit as far as the whole landfill
is concerned=.- w74ha.t I understand Mr. Streeter said at a perftous
meettigg.
Supervisor Streeter-That is not my understanding
Mr. Buckley-The Statement had been made thAb-ve_Vwrk-d" offer to apply
for a permit, the State has determined that no auch application is
necessary.
Mr. Murray-That statement was also made at the last meeting, that one
was not neceasary but one would be applied for, a permit. . . .
Mr. Buckley-We understood that it was 1Rnt manditory that we apply
we offered to apply in spite of the fact that it was not manditory
and they said they did not consider it appropriate to receive
such application. They would take part in the hearings here in an
advisory capacity, but in an instance such as this they are not issuing
permits for existing landfills.
Mr. Murray-Could you tell me the name of the individual that told you
that Mr. Buckley?
Mr. Buckley-Don Corliss the Regional Director and also Mr. Wilkie
Mr. Murray-Then this means that you are not going to apply for a permit?
Mr. Buckley- We were told not too.
Mr. Murray- You were told by Don Corliss not too, specifically not to.
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Councilman Barber- That it was not necessary.
Mr. Murray- You admitted that it was not necessary. . .
Supervisor Streeter-I am afraid I am going to have to cut this
dialogue °o£f we are getting a little far a field from the resolution
that is here, I know we do not have that many but I should give anyone
else an opportunity here to. . .
Mr. Murray-Unfortunately, Mr. Streeter in your original notification
to the press you did not notify them that anything in regard to the
landfill was going to be brought up and I am sure if you had done so
there would have been other persons here to speak in this regard. . .
Supervisor Streeter-I have to say to you Mr. Murray that it was my
undertanding that Mr. Buckley had talked with you concerning this
matter, is that correct?
Mr. Murray-We hdd a meeting in the hall but he did not say anything
about it coming up at any meeting. . . .
Mr. Buckley-You did not realize that it would be on the agenda to
authorize this work but you did realize the work would be done.
Mr. Murray-I had understood that you were contemplating this but
I did not know that it was going to be brought up at this meeting. . .
Supervisor Streeter- I think we have tried very hard Mr. Murray
to keep you informed, if you feel that we have let you down here or
the people. . .
Mr. Murray-. . .It is unfortunate that . . . I am not the spokesman
for that group— there would have been other people here and I
am sure they would have had other statements to make. . .are you going
to have a board meeting next week?
Supervisor Streeter-No, our next regular meeting will be the 18th.
Mr. Murray-I would appreciate it if you would investigate the
possibility of bring an E.P.A. man up here before you invest
in this quite large expenditure. . . .
Supervisor Streeter-. . .We have an industry that is waiting and has
been very gentlemenly. in all their conduct with us we have nothing
signed that says that they will wait off and they have waited and waited
just as you people have waited for our informational hearing now
we are involved here with an industry that ,..is vital to this community
and this area and we have got to move ahead expediently and it is
the intention of this Town Board to try to do this in the best manner
possible. This is the vehicle that we have chosen to go ahead on.
On motion the meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Donald A. Chase
Town Clerk
SPECIAL MEETING February 7, 1975
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Gordon Streeter-Supervisor
Daniel Olsnn-Councilman
Robert Barber-Councilman
Harold Robillard-Councilman
Hammond Robertson-Councilman
Meeting Opened: 12 :00 noon
RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AUDIT OF BILLS
RFSQUTION N0. 2, Introduced by Mr. Gordon S. Streeter who moved its
adoption, seconded by Harold Robillard:
RESOLVED, that the Audit of Bills as listed in Abstract No. 75-2 :and
numbered 117 and totaling $148.40 is hereby approved.