1989-08-18 SP 185
SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING
AUGUSTI8, 1989
3:25 p.m.
TOWN BOARD MEMBERS
Supervisor Stephen Borgos
Councilman George Kurosaka
Councilman Marilyn Potenza
Councilman Betty Monahan
Town Attorney Paul Dusek
TOWN BOARD MEMBERS ABSENT
Councilman Ronald Montesi
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY SUPERVISOR BORGOS
RESOLUTION TO HIRE FULL-TIME ASSESSOR'S ASSISTANT
RESOLUTION NO. 449, 1989, Introduced by Mrs . Marilyn Potenza
who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. George Kurosaka:
WHEREAS, pursuant to Resolution No. 115, dated February 14,
1989, the position of Assessor' s Assistant was created and a
part-time Assistant was hired by the Assessor' s Office and
authorized by the Town Board, and
WHEREAS, the position of Assessor' s Assistant is now vacant,
and
WHEREAS, the Town Assessor has requested that the position
of Assessor' s Assistant be made full-time to assist with the
daily functionings in the Town Assessor' s Office, and
WHEREAS, the 1989 budget allows for monies available to pay
for the full-time position of Assessor ' s Assistant,
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT
a
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury,
pursuant to Section 20 of the Town Law, hereby authorizes
the position of full-time Assessor' s Assistant in the Town
Assessor's Office, and
BE IT FURTHER
RESOLVED, that Roberta L. Walker is appointed to the
position of full-tim� Assessor' s Assistant at an amount of
$6.45 per hour.
Duly adopted this 18th day of August, 1989, by the following
vote:
Ayes : Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . Monahan, Mr. Borgos
Noes : None
Absent:Mr. Montesi
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT BETWEEN TOWN OF QUEENSBURY
AND UNISYS, INC.
RESOLUTION NO. 450, 1989,_ Introduced by Mrs . Marilyn Potenza
who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. George Kurosaka:
WHEREAS,- the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury previously
purchased computer hardware from Unisys, Inc . for use in the
Assessor' s Office, and
WHEREAS, Unisys , Inc . also offered to provide service and
maintenance for said hardware, and
WHEREAS, a proposed service agreement has been presented to
this meeting,
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury
186 hereby accepts the offer of Unisys, Inc . to provide service
and maintenance on hardware in the Assessor' s Office, such
services more fully set forth in the agreement presented to
this meeting, for an amount not to exceed 1 , 008 .00, and
BE IT FURTHER
RESOLVED, that the Town Supervisor of the Town of Queensbury
is hereby authorized and directed to execute the Hardware
Maintenance Agreement presented to this meeting.
Duly adopted this 18th day of August, 1989, by the following
vote:
Ayes : Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . Monahan, Mr. Borgos
Noes : None
Absent:Mr. Montesi
RESOLUTION CALLING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION NO_. 451, 1989, Introduced by Mrs . Marilyn Potenza
who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mrs . Betty- Monahan:
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby moves into executive
session to discuss the employment of a professional
corporation for personnel services .
Duly adopted this 18th day of August, 1989, by the following
vote:
Ayes : Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . Monahan, Mr. Borgos
Noes: None
Absent:Mr. Montesi
(Executive session held)
RESOLUTION ADJOURNING EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION NO. 452, 1989, Introduced by Mrs . Marilyn Potenza
who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. George Kurosaka:
RESOLVED, that the Town Board hereby moves from the Executive
Session into the Town Board.
Duly adopted this 18th day of August, 1989, by the following
vote:
Ayes: Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . Monahan, Mr. Borgos
Noes : None
Absent:Mr. Montesi
Supervisor Borgos-No action to be taken from Executive
Session. . .
WEST MOUNTAIN PUD F.E. I .S .
Supervisor Borgos-The primary purpose of this meeting is to
trudge through more if not all of the West Mt . Village
proposal . We may be here for twenty minutes we may here for
an hour we may be here for longer than that, but in any
event we think a two hour time limit is a reasonable
approach. We think that we can go through this much more
rapidly than we did the other night . At the very
beginning, . .
Councilman Monahan-Can I ask a question please, we requested
that our Planning Dept . get a copy of the all of the
documents and I understand that they have not been
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delivered, we have a hard time with that frankly, we feel
that the Planning Dept . needs this . . . I did request this
the other night. It was supposed to be done after the
meeting we had before .
Len Fosbrook-Stephen • I talked to Paul on that and he
requested one for Darleen.
Councilman Monahan-We requested during the meeting. . .
Len Fosbrook-We gave one to Darleen. . .we did not print a lot
Of copies . . .Betty I apologize. . .
Supervisor. Borgos-I will give up mine, except for Vol . I .
-- Councilman Monahan-But Vol . I is one of the ones that she
needs the most.
Supervisor Borgos-I will let you borrow Vol . I over the
weekend. . .
Councilman Kurosaka-I will give you the whole set if you
want. . .
Lee York-Senior Planner-Ok. Great.
Supervisor Borgos-I talked with Dennis, yesterday,- briefly
and I just wanted, he is finished with the letter, he wanted
to recap three or four items that I believe we left hanging
to see what the status is of those . I can fill in with
things that I thought of this morning. . .Dennis would you
come to the microphone please and state your name and E.D.P.
or whatever? Lower the microphone and sit in the chair and
be more comfortable. I apologize for the close quarters
but we are out of room.
Mr. Dennis McElroy-I am Dennis McElroy from Environmental
Design and I would like to just, cover a couple of issues
that I think were in between from last weeks meeting. The
first and most significant is the storm water, I have
-- received the back up information from J.Johnson and Co. in
Utah and gone through this and people in my office have gone
through the storm water information and find that it
supports the summary data which is provided within the
F.E. I .S . document.
Supervisor Borgos-You are satisfied with it.
Mr. McElroy-That is correct. An issue that we really went
over quite quickly last time was waste water and I guess I
failed to mention one point that I have since talked with
both Stephen and Len about was, this issue of a letter
indicating that the City of Glens Falls or the Town of
Queensbury will provide the waste water capacity required
through the project. I recognize that it is a political
issue sometimes to get this resolved as it was in the
previous PUD projects . So , I bring that up just to see how
we want to deal with that, if it is something that has been
indicated by the City of Glens Falls Technical Staff that
there is capacity. That is not quite a letter providing,
assuring it.
Councilman Kurosaka-That is technical , we have to handle it,
it is not their problem.
-- Supervisor Borgos-Would you be satisfied with the statement
from the developer that you are planning to go to the City
of Glens Falls waste water plant and in the findings you
will then have our letters of agreements that would
indicate . . .
Mr. McElroy-I realize that this is kind of a political
thing, that we went through on the previous projects that,
in those cases we had a memo of understanding stating that
in those cases, the Town of Queensbury would provide the
. service because in fact in those projects the developments
y 8 8 were going into the Town of Queensbury districts .
Councilman Kurosaka-We have to make the arrangements, there
is no pense of holding up West Mt. for that. That is our
problem. . . .
Councilman Monahan-. . .this should be in the findings, it
would have to show that this is part of the. .very definitly
spelled out that this is not valid without provisions for
the waste water.
Mr. McElroy-I just want the Town Board of understand that we
recognize that there is some responsibility there on the
Town' s part .
Councilman Kurosaka-It is our responsibility to get that
agreement.
Mr. McElroy-Ok, two other lessor issues we talked about and
I was not quite sure how the Town Board felt about that or
how those were really resolved. We talked about it to some
extent I have since talked again with Len and Joe about
that, with the issue of the right of way and the cost of
improvements phase II and III . I know the Town Board had
expressed some opinion on both those issues . Again
procedurally, there was a request for information, it was a
request, a comment made by my office in our letters a
response was made technically, it was not the response that
I was looking for necessarily, none the less, it was a
response . I guess I am wondering if the Town Board was
satisfied with that or whether you feel additional
information . . .
Supervisor Borgos-One of the concerns that you expressed as
I understand it, you wanted, I think that the Town Board
shared that same concern you wanted to sea the present right
of way from Exit 18 . . .
Mr. McElroy-I will go a step further, as a comment related
to the existing right of ways in the areas where
improvements were indicated might be acquired. Not only
Corinth Road, but that' s certainly the most significant one
but it also took into account Spier Falls Road, or Wilton
Mt. Road whatever the proper name of that road is . In the
traffic summaries in the traffic reports the indication
depending on the split that the section of those roads it
may go to a climbing lane which really in effect is a third
lane. Now, that' s not to say additional right of way might
be required there, but that is an area that would fit into
the same . . .
Supervisor Borgos-I do not know anything about Saratoga
County but I did talk to Fred Austin of Warren County today
and he told me that he had submitted that information to the
developer a week or ten days ago and we should expect .to see
that today. So, I presume that you have that today, you do
have that map, ok. . . .
Mr. McElroy-The improvement cost . . .
Supervisor Borgos-They came up last time and everybody said
you can't project what it will cost five or ten years from
now but we did ask for those projects and those improvements
in 1989 dollars, so I am hoping you have that. . . . is saying
yes . Is there anything else?
Mr. McElroy-No, those were the items that I felt were still
outstanding from last weeks meeting.
Supervisor Borgos-Why don't we ask some representative from
the developer to come forward, identify yourself for the
record so when the minutes are typed we will know who said
what. You have documents for us .
Mr. Joe Krzys-My name is Joe Krzys, we have the right of way
maps in the car and we will bring them in. We have the
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improvement numbers here for all the different aspects, we
are going to hand them in and we are sort of doing it under
protest because this is just speculative information we do
not want somebody looking at this five years from now and
say you said we are going to make these improvements and pay
this amount of money they were just improvements that were
identified as possibilities . . .
Supervisor Borgos-1 do not think even at this point we are
looking for how much you are going to pay but would the
total cost of the improvement will be regardless of who
pays .
Councilman Kurosaka-Speculative costs .
Mr. . Krzys-It is all speculatlo». We just want that in the
j record, it is in 1989 dollars , and all -the traffics aspects
have been identified as needing mitigation. Isere are the.
right of way maps . I think from all the information we have
that was the information that was left outstanding to make
the F. E. I :S. complete and we have responded to all the
comments that there were.
Supervisor Borgos-Ok, now, the Consultant has given you his
list have you responded to that list? I have a bunch of
comments, a lot of things are just probably flipped right by
they are just things that I highlighted as I went through.
Before we do that, I received one other comment the other
day, and it may be something that I marked off, N.zt just so
I do not forget it . I heard from a person at a meeting the
other day, a person that lives in Corinth, that the Town of
Corinth or the Village of Corinth is very upset, because
they have not gotten what they feel is an adequate response
to their comments . I do not know haw much we are to get
into that, we are here in Warren County, Town of
Queensbury, that person felt so strongly that they hand
carried what turned out to be a photo copy of a letter that
we had from Corinth, I think in December citing their
strenuous objections to some proposal unless certain things
were done by certain dates . Some of those dates have gone
by, and I understand things were not done. Obviously, they
were not done because you do not know if you have a project.
Those were dates assigned by Corinth but is there some more
communications from Corinth that you can say you have been
in touch with them and they understand where you are and
were you are going or what is the story there?
Mr: Krzys-I think at this time , what we are required to do
is to respond to the comments of how we mitigate traffic
issues . They were identified by several parties , one of the
members of the mitigation factor was to put together this
TAC committee and have them monitor al.l the various places
where we can impact traffic . on that TAC group there is a
representative from Saratoga County Planning Board who
happens to be the consultant for the Town of Corinth . We
r felt that, again because of speculations as to where
traffic is going to go we felt that the mitigation is in to
have the TAC committee including the representative from
Saratoga County be involved i*i the monitoring to determine
if any of those things even need to be done. As I remember
In a letter from Corinth they wanted us to put stop lights
in immediately in downtown Corinth. We have not impacted
anybody. It is not an issue right now.
Supervisor Borgos-Some of that is addressed in here?
Mr. Krzys-Well , what is addressed in here Steve is that the
conclusion by the consultants was to._ have the TAC monitored
and determine via what is going in the development. . .
Councilman Potenza-On the TAC Committee, there is a
representative from Corinth?
Mr . Krzys-From Saratoga County , right .
You said the last time , so I think it is important, in
that, both towns , Lake Luzer. ne and Queensbury and for our
own benefit is that we do something, we create something in
�QE the findings that survives the TAC if for some reason they
never stay in existance . That we pick representatives from
various places that sit on It, an on going group that
monitors traffic . I would think that one of the sets of : `
people that we all agree on would be the Planning Director
from Saratoga County and somebody from Corinth. ' So that,
they are assured that their issues are being dealt with
properly. So, I think we have answered that in terms of
saying that there is a process that has been set .up,
mitigating the traffic issues in Corinth, in Saratoga Co.
for that matter.
Councilman Kurosaka-The Village of Corinth has said they
want this right now, they do not understand the project may
take twenty years down the . . .put it in, it may prove that
you do not have to do anything.
Mr. Krzys-The whole thing, as I remember the process was
very interesting and again it depends on who you talk to, as
to what they agreed the split would be. To listen to one
set of splits there is not going to be any traffic going
into Corinth and you do not have to do anything, another set
of splits, all the traffic is going into Corinth and we will
have to do a lot . I think we do not know, no one knows .
Councilman Kurosaka-My quess is . . . 20% my gut feeling. As
good a guess as anyone elses .
Mr. Krzys-I am sure; the answer Steve is that I think, we.
have set up a process to solve their problem.
Supervisor Borgos-Unless anyone has an objection, I would
like to start at page one and just look as fast as we can
until we come to some notation . . . Vol . I . . . I, am starting
on page one, . . . III Summary that would be- the first page to
see if we have any concerns . Page 2 . . .Page 3 nothing,Page
4, Page 5 . . . I just want to be use on page. 6 are we sure
about the date? The Warren County Planning Board conceptual
approval is that date accurate? April 13, 1989?
Mr. McElroy-There is a copy of it in the Appendices,
correct?
Supervisor Borgos-Maybe that should be something that should
be checked on, it may well be .
Supervisor Borgos-Page 7 I had some concerns . The big one I
guess , at least one that jumps out mostly, is under item 1 .
The Luzerne Mt. Road entrance be used as a restricted
access . It was my understanding that was emergency only
access to be gated with locks emergency vehicles would have
cutters of keys or something. I think that has to be made
very clear at this point. That would not be a delivery ..
access , because deliveries would start putting big trucks on
the road, . . .major traffic . . .
Mr. Brandt-What you are saying is a restricted access,- that
is a further definition of a restricted access .
Supervisor Borgos=I would be a lot more comfortable even
though we are going to get into that probably .in the
findings, even at this stage I think we should have that
more defined, indicate emergency only not a deliver route.
Please come to the microphone just for the record.
Mr. Krzys-I think our intentions _ have always been to do
that, we all agree the semantics . . . it seems to be that, that
should be part of the findings anyway. . .
Supervisor Borgos-We would feel much more comfortable if we
had. . .restricted access period, emergency traffic only not
deliveries .
Councilman Monahan-Delivery or construction vehicles .
Mr. Krzys-What was. the wording Stephen?
Councilman Kurosaka-Emergency only.
Councilman Monahan-You could say a construction vehicle
could be emergency . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-Construction is not an emergency.
Supervisor Borgos-The language is there you simply add
parenthesis is the easy way to do it emergency vehicles only,
they are defined in the law.
Councilman Kurosaka-That will take care of it, without
anything being added to it .
Supervisor Borgos-I want to be a little more specific , not
deliveries and not constuction vehicles .
Councilman Kurosaka-construction vehicles are not emergency
vehicles . . . .
Councilman Potenza-It will not hurt to put it in.
Supervisor Borgos-This should satisfy the many people that
are concerned about the great use of the roads, . . I would
rather have it locked in . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-What does the lawyer say?
Town Attorney Dusek-I would just add, emergency vehicles
only as defined by the vehicle and traffic law.
Supervisor Borgos-Would you be uncomfortable in saying no to
deliveries locally. . .
Town Attorney Dusek-No .
Supervisor Borgos-I think that the public,
Councilman Kurosaka-To me, I hate like being superfluous . . . .
I think like an engineer though.
Supervisor Borgos-You missed some of the public comments .
Councilman Kurosaka-I know the public comments .
Supervisor Borgos-This is the intent anyway.
Councilman Kurosaka-But, can you explain the law to me? . . .
Supervisor Borgos-Item IV A residential development along
West Mt . Road be relocated to the upper mountain. As far as
I know you have made that. . .
Mr. Krzys-There is no residential at the bottom.
Supervisor Borgos-Betty, you had some comments , V. on this,
I cannot remember, the page that was that we were talking .
about density, is that 278 in the final density figures
that we decided on . . . or is it the one that was the upper
limit? We had some upper limits in there .
Mr. Krzys-Yes . That is , and what we said that we were going
to supply. .
Councilman Monahan-Where is that density figure . . . (page 43)
Supervisor Borgos-Believe me, we got rid of the upper
density and that should give us the number.
Mr. Krzys-We set the residential housing and we would have
the lower number which would leave us with the lower number
which would leave us 232 no 240 . . no
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Councilman Potenza-232 , with the residential units and that
is the ones . .
Mr. Krzys-It was suggested the last time, and which we have
done, and we have another copy, we indicate that there would
be two hotels
Councilman Potenza-two sets of one hundred and twenty five
room totaling two hundred and fifty rooms .
Mr. Krzys-We have that here . Then we had another, we said
that we added a note to the thing that there was an
understanding that no one, it says that it will have two hotels of one hundred and twenty five units our note too
says that we will have two or more retail commercial
buildings not to exceed eighty thousand square feet. Our __-
note says that one and two are limits which appeer in our
PUD application, based upon Queensbury Zoning Ordinance, we
are not certain as to the number of principal buildings in
the village setting to accomplish those limits we have shown
two hotel principal buildings and two retail commercial
principal buildings however our proposed density is two
hundred and forty principal buildings out of the two
seventy allowed. Consequently there are principal building
units available to allocate the retail commercial uses if
necessary to accomodate the configuration de.sign. However
the total square footage and the number of hotel units will
remain unchanged . I think it talks about, our concern Betty
is that if the hotel units turn out to be like eight bed and -
breakfast houses as opposed to one principal building of one
hundred and twenty five units and as long as we stay within
a hundred and twenty five units of two hundred and seventy
eight principal buildings it is consistent with the design
of what we what to do in the village to keep it rural and
all of that.
Councilman Monahan- Well , wait a minute, we have two
hundred and forty on page forty three and we are talking
two hundred and seventy eight over here .
Supervisor Borgos-I think they are saying change that . . .
Councilman Monahan-That is what I was thinking but then what
he just said now, I am not quite so sure . I thought we had
that all thrashed out the other night.
Mr. Krzys-I thought the other night, our explanation was the
same as I just said.
Councilman Monahan-It has, but it was two hundred and forty
units all together, two thirty two residential and the
others were to be broken down into eight principal buildings
and we did not care how you did it . . .
Mr. Krzys-I think the whole idea, not, caring how we did it,
has to do with the open design. . .
Councilman Monahan-But it can't get up to two hundred and
seventy eight. . .two forty was the maximum number of units
we were talking about . We spent a lot of time on that.
Mr. Krzys-I thought the explanation on that, as we said was
that we could end up with more because of, I will just give -
you an example . Instead of having a hundred and twenty five
units in one principal hotel building which could end up
being one hundred yards long that we might break it up not --j
to ever exceed the two hundred and seventy principal
buildings into maybe six buildings that do not exceed one
hundred and twenty five units , (tape turned)Now, based on
the way terrain lays up there it may not be possible to put
one great big building that can, or two buildings that can
take eighty thousand square feet of space and all the hotel
units about it we may have to break that same eighty
thousand square feet hotel units into like four or five and
six buildings never to exceed the limits we are talking
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about, that is all we are talking about .
Councilman Monahan-Yea, you have got between two forty and
two seventy eight and it is a big thing and I am not willing
to say you can go thirty eight principal buildings in there .
Mr. Krzys-What we are talking about is to stay within the
existing limits that we are talking about, that is all .
Councilman Monahan-That is not what we mentioned at all the
other night.
Mr. Krzys-That is what I talked about, when you asked the
question, .. .
Councilman Monahan-You have eighty thousand square feet of
retail , commercial we agree on that. .
Supervisor Borgos-We agree that would be up to eighty
thousand whether it was two buildings or eight buildings or
ten buildings .
Mr. Krzys-That is right .
Councilman Monahan-There is no way, there is no way you can
get up to two hundred and seventy eight. . .not at two seventy
eight.
Mr. Krzys-I think you are looking at a design.
Councilman Monahan-It can't be two seventy eight, no .
Councilman Kurosaka-I don't think you will ever get to two
seventy eight. .
Mr. Krzys-I do not think so either.
Councilman Monahan-I want that two seventy eight figure out
of there.
— Mr. Krzys-First of all , that is what we are allowed under
the density in Queensbury.
Councilman Monahan-Yea. But, we worked that all out,
remember? You were going to give that up.
Mr. Krzys-We said that we would do that. . .
Councilman Monahan-Darleen are the minutes done from that
meeting?
Town Clerk Darleen Dougher-No .
Mr. Krzys-I think what we said what we would agree on is the
two hundred and thirty, not to go above two hundred and
thirty residential units .
Councilman Monahan-But, you also agreed on the other, Ron
was here, Ron and I made very good notes on this and Ron
said if you want to take your three and turn it down to two
and put one of your one up to two we do not really care how
you do it as long as the eight stays there . We never talked
about going to two hundred and seventy eight, two forty was
the total that was allowed.
Mr. Krzys-Then I think we have a major problem, because we
have designed the village and in all honesty won't be
ruined by looking like a typical shopping mall they have
here .
Councilman Monahan-We are going to put some kind of a cap on
this , it is not going to be a cap of two hundred and seventy
eight as far as I am concerned, you have thirty eight more
buildings, principal buildings .
Mr. Krzys-My understanding is again, is that when we agreed
on the density we agreed on the density that exists in
194 Queensbury today.
Councilman Monahan-I specifically asked you that question,
and you were willing to give up some of that and that is how
we arrived at this formula . If those minutes were ready.
Mr. Krzys-I would like to see the minutes because I do not
think. . . I think that what I said is that. . .
Councilman Kurosaka-Can I ask a question? How do the others
remember what was said?
Councilman Potenza-I remember keeping the two and thirty two
residential units .
Supervisor Borgos-I have circled two forty with the
astherisk that Joe mentioned before that the one
centered. . .one across the top.
Councilman Potenza-I have residential , retail commercial ,
eighty thousand square feet. . .
Supervisor Borgos-We asked you at the time, does that mean
that you are going to build less than your legally able to,
and you said yes .
Mr. Krzys-I think if you look at what is in the minutes, I
said that, as far as the retail commercial is concerned is
that because we do not know the exact design of the village,
that whether the retail , as matter of fact that is why we
started shifting things around, saying two hotel buildings
and all that, we talked about the limits not changing.
Supervisor Borgos-I think left you the opportunity to tell
us what was the outside numbers the maximum.
Councilman Monahan-The maximum specifically, what the
outside number he was asking for.
Mr. Krzys-My senses when we talk about it is, is a matter of
fact it is even written in here to have two or more on the
retail side of eight thousand square feet, two or more . . . _
Councilman Monahan-We said you could do that we did not care
how you split them up as long as you did not go over the
eight, or over the two hundred and forty. We had no
problem. . .
Councilman Kurosaka-What they are saying is that they can
put up eight buildings and the other two hundred and thirty
two.
Councilman Monahan-Since we do not have the minutes , that we
just leave this in abeyance for right now, because we are
just going to waste an hour just going around in circles .
Supervisor Borgos-We will refer to the minutes and iron that
out.
Mr. Krzys-I would also suggest that our intention always was
to build a rural village at the top. So that it is not a
shopping mall that you see, and in order to do that you have
to run the buildings according to the terrain. It may cause
splitting up where a person would like to see for example as
a retail village an eighty thousand square feet all in one
line all in one building which is a typical thing that you
have here . Where you may end up having to break it up into
ten smaller buildings because of the terrain to get the
rural effect as opposed to the shopping mall effect .
Councilman Potenza-I have a note on my page that says
clarify the thirty eight units and where they are going to
be . You mean that you have accepted two hundred and thirty
two residential you have a proposed two hundred and forty
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total units and there is a balance of thirty eight units .
Mr. Krzys-And I remember saying that we may get to use a
lot of those .
Supervisor Borgos-At this time we have a pretty short list
for another meeting and hopefully it will not take too much
longer. We have to check the minutes and clarify this one
issue .
Supervisor Borgos-Page 7 I have nothing else .
Councilman Potenza-Betty had something.
Councilman Monahan-No, Stephen picked everything I did.
Supervisor Borgos-Page 8, I thought, if this might be
helpful where you got community services a little more
carefully define that. I would put a parenthesis next to
the item of community services, fire and emergency medical
services, specifically. Community Services otherwise is
pretty vague all encompassing phrase . Would that be
acceptable to you? Page 8 more fully define community
services by including, maybe it should say such as fire,
emergency medical services . . .we will know what we are
talking about, rather than the Red Cross or whatever.
Page 9, no special comments, I got some on 10 . Page 10
under B it seems that you hedged a bit, it says . .
through the Glens Falls alternative provide the cost and
timing implementation issues are feasible to serve the first
and subsequent phase of the project, if not the sponsor
would reserve the right to pursue the second or the on-site
plan. Subsurface disposal will also be utilized in areas
isolated from the municipal system, I believe we said all
along, for many, many months that the only way is through
Glens Falls . That' s where everything goes , I am surprised
to see that your still not saying that.
Mr. Krzys-This gets back to the conversation we had in your
office, that day, Steve, somebody else tapping into our
capacity and leaving us with a development that can' t
complete itself because, not us , but some other institution
some future Town Board says, well that sewer line is there
tap into it. It was how do we finish our development, we
put in all this stuff and somebody does , changes their mind
about what you thought your intention was now.
Supervisor Borgos-That is not what this paragraph says .
Mr. Krzys-That is what the intent is .
Councilman Monahan-Are you talking about the big
transmission line going down through West Glens Falls, you
are concerned about somebody using part of the capacity of
that transmission line?
Mr. Krzys-There has been a history in this county Betty . . in
Queensbury today where sometime in the future the sewer or
water board may be appointed , and they start to act like a
zoning board because of their authority over water and
sewer. In the past in other communities they in spite of
previous agreements that they have allowed people, other
parties for future developments to tap into existing lines
regardless of the agreement. We have such a capital cost in
this development if anyone was to shut us off in the middle
of this thing it could cause us great harm. And so, we are
saying if anybody decides to make that decision to cut into
our line, we just want the Town today to say hey, we give
you an out, we will let you put in a sewer treatment plant
as long as it meets all the environmental regulations and
approvals on the property so you do not lose your capacity.
Councilman Monahan-I think the other thing is , so we will
make some kind of agreement with that, used in other areas
of the community they will be upsizing the difference will
be made by the other people . . .
196 Councilman Kurosaka-No . It would have to be some kind of
payback to them, in tax rebates for the capital expenditures
they put in. . .
Mr. Krzys-But, they can also stop the development in the
middle after we have several hundred of millions of
dollars . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-It may not be big enough to take care
of. . .
Councilman Monahan-Wait a minute George, you are not getting
what I meant . He only needs a ten inch main and we are
saying no put in a sixteen inch main because we are looking
at West Glens Falls . . .right now, they have to be relieved of
the difference of the cost between ten and sixteen.
Councilman Kurosaka-No they don't.
Mr. Krzys-It is one thing, but we have to make sure . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-Wait a minute, the 16" capacity is there
if and when we develop the sewer district there has to be a
rebate to them like a lower tax rate or something first.
Councilman Monahan- . . .they were not asked to pay for it in
the first place, they should only be asked to pay for. . .the
only capital expenditure they should be asked to pay for is
what they need. We should not be asking them to make a loan
to the Town for. . .
Councilman Kurosaka-Then you will have to form a sewer
district Betty and that could cause some big problems .
Councilman Monahan-Well , it is . . .to ask them to be the
banker for a further extension of the Town either. . .
Mr. Krzys-First of all , if we decide to oversize the pipe we
have an environmental issue because now, we have to look at
ways we cause further growth, because we have an over sized
pipe . What we are saying is we are putting in a pipe that
takes care of us period. It is going to Glens Falls , if
somebody else wants to tap into it or get bigger all we want
to make sure is that we got the capacity to do twenty eight
hundred or twenty seven hundred houses what ever we are
authorized to . do and we want to make sure we are going to
get finished. We do not want to be in the middle of two or
three hundred dollars worth of stuff and not be able to
finish. I do not think that is your intent and it is not
our intent.
Councilman Monahan-I think he has a valid argument but I do
not think the solution. . .
Supervisor Borgos-I have talked to the County, for instance
about this , the sizing situation and they are taking the
position now, Fred Austin, as we all agreed one sewer pipe .
We do not want five years from now another sewer pipe and
then another sewer pipe . The question is how big that pipe
should be . I think my earlier recommendation to you was to
try and get a few of the obvious big possible users on with
you, cut your costs and then better get the sizing done . If
you can do that somehow, that solves a lot of the problems
the chances of a lot of residential stuff coming in
relatively slim. The commercial stuff is pretty much known
at the moment there are a few more developers are lurking
out there . . . . I know what you are getting at but I think you
need some language here to say you are going to Glens Falls
and some language then in the findings that would very
definitely firmly, somehow, . . .guarantee that capacity
Councilman Kurosaka--Your capacity .
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Supervisor Borgos-is always reserved. I do not know how you
would do that.
Attorney Persico-I do not know how you would guarantee it
the same way you are asking West Mt . to guarantee that they
will put in the infrastructure, are you willing to put up
letters of credit and bonds as we have to do? . .we have a
contract nothing personal , you may not be the one involved
any of you, because the Town may renig on the contract or
find some loop hole in it and they are not going to perform.
Then we have to sue them, we are not protected. We have to
sue to win.
Supervisor Borgos-This is why some . . .a lake Luzerne Sewer
Dist . , or Queensbury Sewer Dist . the agreement between that
district and the City has to very carefully say at all times
X gallons will be preserved for this use period. Because we
can't, we couldn't as much as we would like to enter into an
agreement but from what I am learning from the Law without
going through the State comptroller office and all that
other stuff we could not form the sewer district. We could
not give you any guarantees or assurances . Am I correct?
Attorney Persico-You are not allowed to give us those.
Supervisor Borgos-That is why I need some formal contract
somewhere.
Town Attorney Dusek-There seems to be several issues here
floating around and I just want make sure we are all clear.
First of all , the proposal is that there will in fact be a
Queensbury Sewer Dist. and a Lake Luzerne Sewer Dist . that
is the first thing. There is definitely will be one . The
Queensbury Sewer Dist . would be that dist . up on the
mountain plus the long narrow pipe line running into the
City of Glens Falls . Now, what can the Town do to guarantee
to the developer capacity. Well , certainly the Queensbury
Town Board runs the district so on behalf of the dist . they
will contract with themselves, so to speak, making
guarantees . I think this is what they are getting at is that
although Queensbury certainly I do not think has not ever
demonstrated any problems in terms of these types of
contract, I do not think that you have that many anyway, but
certainly you have not had a history of problems . What they
are referring to is that there are apparently some examples
of other communities where the temptation is so strong to
utilize the capacity that they just simply come in and use
it and the problem is now the developer is left to his own
impossible recourse and that is claiming a third party
beneficiary status the contract and bring a law suit and
probably not a normally successful lawsuit at that . As far
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they are doing for us , there is a lot of problems with that
because part of the constitution of New York State prohibits
municipalities from guaranteeing through credit in certain
fashion and I am afraid that will cause a problem in this
regard.` I think that the bottom line here is the developer,
to some extent is just going to have to rely upon the good
faith of the community and the fact that, will not be tapped
into . Certainly agreements can be made contracts can be
made but I certainly would not advocate any— system of us
putting up bonds or. . .
Councilman Potenza-C`an't we somehow, in the wording, reserve
the capacity for the West Mt . development? And any
negotiations, and I understand where these gentlemen are
coming from because somewhere down the line we form a water
and sewer authority it will take the responsibility away
from this Board and give it to another authority.
Councilman Monahan-They would have to honor other contracts .
Councilman Potenza---You hope so, you hope so . Have to,
should of, could of . . .
Councilman Monahan--If you are going to figure that way no
deeds that we got or anything else that we got, any piece of
paper we got is of no value if you want to go that far.
Councilman Potenza-I just think, that we are both coming the
same avenue we are coming from the same place and I think it
is a matter of semantics and I cannot see why in the
findings that we guarantee or have the City of Glens Falls
guarantee capacity for you no matter what development goes
on. . .
Councilman Monahan-I do not think they are worried so much
about capacity at the sewer plant as is their lines going to
be used by somebody else .
Mr. Krzys-I will give you at least a one case scenario about
that Betty is . . . the easiest thing to do . . . it is absolutely
necessary that it goes here, boom tap into the line,
development it is too bad, well , we have too big a stake in
up front costs in this thing to have somebody do that to us
in the middle of this thing so all we want to do is reserve
the rights through some alternative, maybe it is not this
alternative, but some alternative that if that happens to us
that whatever alternatives are environmentally accurate or
environmentally satisfactory through the department of
environmental control that we have the right to build that
because we been. . .
Councilman Kurosaka-If you do not go to the City, you do not
go .
Mr. Krzys-Ten years from now for example, sewer treatment
plants are a package plan, we do, a lot of different things
then we do today.
Councilman Kurosaka-Package Plants are a pain.
Mr. Krzys-That is today, technology is changing, everybody' s
so sensitive about the ecology . . . .One of the things that has
happened in the County, everybody is so hep on the
environment these days and there is all kinds of technology
being developed now, to try to figure out better ways to do
septic systems, to figure out better ways to do package
treatment plants, I think all we are saying is, is that if
somebody basically double processes us that we what to have
in the language today, we want the alternatives open to do
want is environmentally satisfactory. . . .we could do that
in the findings, George .
Councilman Monahan-I think the wording has to be changed.
Supervisor Borgos-I cannot live with the wording.
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Councilman Monahan-I can't either.
Councilman Kurosaka-I can't either.
Supervisor Borgos-Three major issues have been density,
traffic and sewers . Density pretty much got under control ,
traffic a lot of people . . . sewage the public feel and this
Board has always felt that it must go to Glens Falls .
Mr. Kryzs-We do not disagree with that as long as we . . .
Supervisor Borgos-For now and forever. Someway, somehow,
you have got to . . . I understand your concern, I could never
vote for this language that says that provided that the cost
is ok and the timing is ok, that is talking about even next
week the way it says now.
Mr. Krzys- . . .maybe we have to change the wording but I think
that the intent is . . .
Councilman Potenza-It° is the same thing, it is the same
thing different ways
Mr. Krzys-All we are saying is . .
Councilman Kurosaka-You want to protect you and we want to
protect ourselves, you. want to protect yourself. . .
Councilman Potenza-And we all want is to go to the Glens
Falls Sewer System.
Mr. Krzys-And we are agreeing to that too .
Councilman Potenza-Just put it into words
Mr. Krzys-Just so that we have a sense of the Board is
there a disagreement if we get double crossed and we just
hang out there?
Supervisor Borgos-We have to operate under the assumption
that whatever agreements are reached are honored. If we say
anything different, then we are backing off from the
position. . .
Mr. Krzys-If us having an alternative system is conditioned
on the fact that you did not keep your agreement everybody
knows up front that when they decide to break the agreement
that they are . . . another choice .
Supervisor Borgos-Also language that would be whereas they
did build adequate amount and whereas that if that should
ever be not honored . . .
Mr . Krzys-To use the capacity that is there . .
Councilman Monahan-You can' t do that on your own say so it
still has to go . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-I think that the solution here, there is
no timing on that particular clause, if at some time when
they assume capacity . . .then you would have the option at
that time to do that .
Attorney Persico-If for any reason we fail to achieve the
necessary capacity for the build out of the project then and
only then would this other alternative come into play.
Supervisor Borgos-I think you are going in the right
direction, it sounds . . .
Councilman Kurosaka- . . . just to clarify what would happen. . .
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Attorney Persico-It is not so much the immediate time, we
are looking at a longer range .
Couniclman Kurosaka- It is not like it will happen
tomorrow, but if you said down the line. . . if somebody taps
in and you do not have the capcity to bring the development
through, you have the ability to put the second plan
into . . . just to clarify. . .that would be fine .
Councilman Monahan-.I think we also have to question, Steve
and Joe you will probably not like saying this, but if they
go broke and don't fulfill their obligations in that
capacity then we will have a right to use those, if those --
pipes are in the ground doing perfectly nothing.
Mr. Krzys-My suspicion is that if something like that
happens and we are in the middle , first of all there will be
guaranteed, we are going to put bonds up front to guarantee
the completion of the system that you created, so this
protects the town from that. . .
Councilman Monahan-I think. . . I just want to make sure the
Town, the taxpayers, do not get burdened.
Mr . Krzys-Sure, I understand, I think Betty what will
probably happen in reality is that, that will become an
asset for whoever. . .to use to bring someone in to finish the
project. If we were to give up our capacity and we would not
let that happen, we would never, ever get financing for this
thing—my sense is that you got to trust that whoever has
money for this thing. . .that they are going to use that as a
asset to bring someone in to finish the project they do not
want their money . . .
Supervisor Borgos-My concern is about two thirds of the way
down you talk about a temporary water system for snow
making, I have no problem with that for . . . you do
talk about utilizing wells, if you plan to use, utilize
wells maybe I missed it somewhere in the technical
documentation, I want to know what kind of matching
production you are talking about what impact that might have
on ground water. You use huge volumes of water in snow
making what—ponds and runoffs and all that, if you start
massive wells that could impact .
Mr. Krzys-My sense of being is at the time we- came for
subdivision approval if we were to do wells for example for
the ski area, we have to come before the Planning Board to
do that . . .
Supervisor Borgos-I don' t know if you do .
Councilman Monahan-Well , I do not like it left to some other
board, remember in Earltown we said that if any time any
wells that they drill impacted on the neighbors wells and
they had to bring water to the neighbors .
Supervisor Borgos-The same with Hiland Park, we talked about
the well water coming from the stream. . .
Councilman Monahan-We have got to do something there to
either, the amount of water, well that was from the stream,
we also got to make sure this is not impacting on the
neighbors wells because when you start moving things on the
mountain. . .
Councilman Kurosaka-Sometimes they plug a point and they
will blame them. . . .you have to draw a line somewhere.
Councilman Monahan-There has to be some kind of , hold-
harmless there for people that already have wells on the
mountain.
Mr. Krzys-We are not into taking other people ' s water, I
think, Carl was going to suggest is that, at the time we put
any of the wells in is that we have to show the fact that
environmentally we are not going to mess anybody up. . .
Supervisor Borgos- . . on the project though, is there anything
in the documentation that indicates potential wells and what
the volume will be?
Mr. McElroy-Not the specifics that you would like to know.
Supervisor Borgos-Something that would say, we looked at it
and there is no serious impact . .
Mr. Kr. zys--We really do not know if we are going to put them
In, to be honest .
Supervisor Borgos-You talked about them here getting
you, this is our document and our document is saying yes,
it is ok to do wells but you better come back and tell us,
how much you are going to take out of the ground. I would
rather be able to say this is what they have agreed to
and. . .
Mr. Krzys-Right now we are using Town water so .
Supervisor Borgos-That is great.
Councilman Monahan-I do not think he has to answer that
right this minute .
Mr. Krzys-That is something also we can respond to .
Lee York-I just want to say, I was given the impression that
the meeting would be over at 5 :00 o ' clock. . .noted previous
committment . . .
Supervisor Borgos-Feel free to leave at quarter of or
whatever.
Lee York-I do apologize .
Supervisor Borgos-No problem, I thought the meeting was
going to start at three and found it was three fifteen. . .we
will probably be going with this until quarter to five,
unless, it may end up in twenty minutes I do not know how
fast, we may have hit the big items, I just do not know.
Mr. Krzys-We will respond to that. I think as Mike was just
saying, if there is a certain amount of water you are going
to pump you have to ' do an environmental impact study.
Mr. Brandt-That is New York State Law.
Supervisor Borgos-That may. . .
Councilman Kurosaka-DEC requires it .
Supervisor Borgos-Maybe just a statement to that effect will
take care of this whole thing.
Councilman Kurosaka-Just to cover it with something.
Councilman Monahan-Stephen would you look on page 10
please . .ok, just from my meeting of last night I got
concerned about this , chemical . . . fertilizers, pesticides and
others will be mitigated by minimizing their use initially
and by providing buffers to water courses, is there any
acquifers in this section. . .Fred Holman has pointed out
that we are going to have more and more problems with our
acquifers in the Town, fertilizers being used in this town
weed killers and all that kind of stuff, we . . . we are going
to start loading our acqui.fers up all those chemicals . . .
Councilman Potenza-you talk about the area of the Town where
the sand was right. . .
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Lee York-That is a large acquifer over in that area. . .
Councilman Manahan-Would you ckeck this and see if there is
any? Another thing I would like you to check, that is under
the vegetation and wildlife, no ecologically unique species
exist on the site , would you check this from our maps,
please .
Lee York-Yes .
Councilman Monahan-Steve, this is another thing that I came
across on the maps of Fred Holman was that we had all this
information for Queensbury but we are sitting here for
Queensbury and Luzerne and we do not have . . .of information
from that town. I feel a little inadequate sitting here
and passing on something in another town when they have not
provided us with any base information.
Supervisor Borgos-I presume that the developers have
received something from Luzerne , in terms of soil maps and
Councilman Monahan-I do not Clink that they have done the
background there, we did not bring ours up to date until
recently and I doubt if Luzerne has ever done theirs .
Supervisor Borgos-Would you iden-�_ify yourself?
Mr. Brandt-Mike Brandt, first on acquifers we used the soils
maps , provided by the Federal so:t- 1 service that they did for
the County, I think on contract . . .
Councilman Monahan-Is that the ne ;a one?
Mr. Brandt-Yea. An acquifer, the only acquifer is actually
at the foot of the mountain in Queensbury which would --
benefit the development our run off from the golf courses
and the run off flows in the direction of that there are
none . I do not think that is a gaestion that is a matter of
record and it is written up as part of the engineering
analysis . As far as , I did not get the full thrust you were
talking about wild birds and whether they are or aren't
certain endangered species , we did a study on that. . .
Councilman Monahan-We actually have maps done, as part of
the master plan where all of this is mapped out, I just
asked Lee to check the maps to see if our maps agreed with
yours . . .
Councilman Monahan-no ecologically unique species we are not
talking about endangered. . . your report. . .
Supervisor Borgos-Have we taken care of page 10 now? Page
11 , I had a concern that we would have to check or change
the numbers on the density . I have a concern with the
statement that says that within this document, other
concerns related to density such as traffic, and so forth as
shown are shown to have no significant adverse impact. I
think. .
Councilman Monahan-Where are you Steve?
Supervisor Borgos-The same density paragraph,
Councilman Monahan-Before that, how about ones from Luzerne
because we also did that, we said last night, not last night
but the last time we worked on the density, we changed
Luzerne ' s density into two one nine two because that is what
is allowed now, on page twenty three .
Mr. McElroy-Betty is I could just pipe in here, I think
throughout the document you are going to find places where
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thought maybe the solution to that was sort of a blanket
statement that would be in here that would say this is it,
these are the actual figures .
Councilman Monahan-Irregardless of what you see on any page.
Mr. McElroy-Yes . If you feel comfortable with that .
Supervisor Borgos-That would save a lot of trouble .
Mr. McElroy-Because otherwise you are going to be pointing
this way. . .
Councilman Kurosaka-You would have to change every page in
the book.
Mr. Krzys-I think that we agreed on that the last time.
Supervisor Borgos-I would rather see this last sentence say,
within this document concerns such as, two I am really
concerned are traffic and solid waste, do have significant
adverse impact, but measurers are proposed to mitigate
those . I would rather admit that. . .
Attorney Persico-Mitigated to the extent practicable .
Supervisor Borgos-As presented in the attached
documentation. . . . I would feel much more comfortable .
Councilman Monahan-I do not know if I like the way he worded
that though, I do not like the way it was worded by Mr.
Persico .
Supervisor Borgos-Because that is going to be put under the
findings, I think. He said to the extent practicable. . .
Councilman Monahan-There is a difference in our practicable
ok, but who ' s decision is what is practicable?
Mr. Krzys-Yours .
Supervisor Borgos-We will have findings that will detail
that .
Attorney Persico- . . .any . . . .has to be mitigated to the
extent practical given the economic and social benefits of
the project. . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-I would call it semantics .
Attorney Persoci-That is the finding you will ultimately
will have to make.
Supervisor Borgos-Under solid waste, I would be looking
for, you have an active program of recycling not at this
point in the finding there will be a little more detail .
Visual Impact, I would like some more detail . . .
Councilman Monahan-Steve, I guess I am going to nitpick,
because, generation of soild waste material will be
practically mitigated, it is not going to be completely
`— mitigated, it is going to be practically mitigated.
Attorney Persico-That kind of a sentence can come out of
there because that is finding language in the end that is
the language you put into our findings . As far as I am
concerned that sentence can come out of there, we do not
have , it is your impact statement, it is not ours . The
reason that you are here today is to consider its adoption,
as yours . That language there does not have to be in that
document.
Supervisor Borgos-You are saying that you will actively
recycle, I think that is a positive .
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Attorney Persico-No, no , that language is good, no I am
saying that, that there are no adverse environmental
impacts .
Supervisor Borgos-So you are going back to the previous
paragraph.
Attorney Persico-I thought that was where you were . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-Solid waste Is going to be handled by
what the municipal regulations require .
Supervisor Borgos-So , yokt want to take out the whole last
sentence?
Attorney Persico-So, what I was thinking, in the findings
that is where you will make those conclusions . That other
language there .
Supervisor Borgos-I personally would go along with that.
Attorney Persico-We could have put that at the end of any
sentence, we did not do that, there is no need.
Supervisor Borgos-Now, go back to the recycling.
Mr. Krzys-You just want to change the word practically
mitigating is that it Steve:;'
Councilman Potenza-Practically mitigated, is that right
Betty .
Councilman Monahan-Yes , and then it is up to them to . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-No matter what you say about solid waste
it is going to be controlled by a municipality. . .
Councilman Monahan-I am riot so sure how much of detail they
can put in the findings for recycling until you know the
parameters that are being set down by the State .
Supervisor Borgos-They may simply state that they will
follow the State and County regulations in effect at that
time . And participate in the Warren and Washington . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-They are going to have to get into it
anyway. . .
Supervisor Borgos-Visual Impact, next item. I get a bit
concerned and I do not know that we will find much more in
the findings , maybe we should, but it says slightly visible
and much of the visible which will be protected it was my
understanding the last time I talked to Len Fosbrook about
this issue a long, long time ago essentially almost nothing
can be seen from the valley . The hotel would be set back
below the horizon unless perhaps you got to Hudson Falls
where you have a little bit of an angle . From down below I -
presumed nothing was going to be seen. Has that changed?
Len Fosbrook-You cannot say nothing.
Councilman Monahan-I think that you have +o spell out how
much. Because I want to go and mention another PUD by word
and that is Top of the World that was not supposed to be
visible and Encon was going to make it screen it and you get
up on upper Ridge it is directly visible and you get up on
the Lake and it is terrifically visible and as far as I am
concerned they broke all the committments they made to this
Town when they came in front of us to get that PUD.
Mr . Krzys-I think when we came in and started the whole
process we started to talk about, we gave a slide show to
talk about how trees and colors hide visibility and I think
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our plan is still consistant with that have trees and the
way to position houses on ridge lines and colors to hide it .
I think what if somebody some day Betty walks in at some
point, nobody been to and looks up there and going see it
then we will be in violation and they are going to say, my
God, nobody' s been at that spot, we are consistent with what
we have talked about doing . . .
Councilman Monahan-I will say as far as I am concerned. .
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Mr . Krzys-Our intention still is to do what we said.
Councilman Monahan-Paul , we are looking to you to put some
language in there .
Supervisor Borgos-Maybe a little more refinement in that
area between now and then without adding an awful lot. Does
anyone have any more on page 11?
Councilman Kurosaka-How many more pages are you going to go,
page by page?
Supervisor Borgos-Hopefully we will just fly though some of
it .
Councilman Kurosaka-I hope so . . .basically this is a very
solid copy. . .
Supervisor Borgos-May I have everybody' s attention for just
a minute? Mr. Kurosaka said he read through and thinks it
is a solid document I would like to go on record saying it
is probably the best written FEIS I have seen. . . . just so
everybody hears that it is nicely done .
Mr . Krzys-They have sent a letter stating that they reviewed
the document . . .
Councilman Monahan-We do not havti any way as lead agency to
judge whether or not it has an impact on . . . or anything else
like we have in Queensbury with all the maps we have .
Councilman Potenza-We have received . . .
Town Attorney Dusek-We received a ,letter from the Attorney
of Lake Luzerne which said they have reviewed this documents
and they have no objections , I think you have to assume . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-You have to assufne that is what they are
saying.
Town Attorney Dusek- That they are happy with the
Environmental situation. . .
Councilman Potenza-Wasn' t it that we went on and said that
we would not do anything less for the Town of Luzerne then
we would do for the Town of Queensbury.
Councilman Monahan- . . .we have no back up for the Town of
Lake Luzerne .
Town Attorney Dusek-I can help you in �that regard, because I
think with them, I think that your Hoard is well protected
because as far as being concerned about their lands and not
having the documentation because they have said to you we as
that Town Board feel that this document is sufficient. They
have already done that analysis for you. I think you are
off the hook.
Councilman Monahan-I do know Steve that you said. . .
Supervisor Bongos-Page 14, Just to clear this up a bit, I
think we should eliminate a few -words in the second
paragraph up from the bottom, the third one . It is talking
about the use of explosives or blasting agents controlled by
uniform fire code . think you should put a period there it
is not administered by local fire companies . Strike out the
next several words and then the last thing happening shall
obtain all required permits for the use of explosives from
and strike out the word Fire Company and put in the the
agency or department having jurisdiction. The Fire Company
does not control this kind of thing.
Mr. Brandt-The New York State Dept . of Labor.
Supervisor Borgos-Right. Who ever it might be at the
time, definitely not the fire company. So if you have no
objection to that I propose cleaning that up.
Page 15, I got—this is notification of residence, we have
had a problem in cases of just fireworks where the
concussion from the fireworks rattles doors and believe it
or not to listen to the scanner the Police Agencies would be
swamped with calls people trying to break into my house .
So, alway say with fireworks , we must notify the Sheriff' s
Dept , and must notify the newspapers to let people know what
is going to happen. I would think maybe that belongs in the
findings with some detail of the notification, which
neighbors would be notified, maybe a call to the Sheriff ' s
Dept. would do it. They get called, then can say well relax
it is just West Mt . blasting, it is being taken care of.
Mr. Brandt-I think that is a very good idea.
Supervisor Borgos-That is where the call goes, 911 goes
right there , that would save a lot of trouble .
Mr. Brandt-That should be right in there . . . .
Supervisor Borgos-Item F I think is very important . I just
spent many hours the last several days reviewing sewer
construction related problems where there have been aledged
blasting damage and -you would not believe the concerns in
there and the experts and the preblast photographs and the
technical recordings and I think so I think you really got
to get into the survey of adjacent property, I would just
emphasize that it is there and it has got to be looked at .
There has to be somebody to say that within this certain
limit, an engineering consultant would say, this kind of
blasting will require this and that would require that .
Mr. Brandt-That is normally handled by insurance companies .
They usually provide someone to do that on a major contract.
Supervisor Borgos-It was funny at the last meeting I was at,
I was able, I got in there five minutes late and I was able
to identify the insurance person by the way he was phrasing
things . Normally our limits exist, . . .they like to sell
they do not like to pay off . I have nothing else on page
15 , You have raised the issue of random at time point we
have got to look at that , I do not know that we can do much.
Page 16 , does anyone have any question? Over to 17 I think
you have resolved that issue on page 17 related to lifting
the APA air quality stuff that has gone as far as I am
concerned. Page 18, I do not have any problem with that, I
highlighted things related to the air quality again but that
has been taken care of. 19, I personally do not have any
comments or problems . 20, We talked about the . . .traffic I
do not agree with them that is my personal feeling we will
have to talk about that at some point .
Councilman Kurosaka-We really will not know about the
traffic until it is developed someplace . . .my guess is as
good as anybodies .
Supervisor Borgos-Between now and the findings , I would like
to see more ways . 21 ,
Councilman Kurosaka-My guess is 80-20 and somebody might say
60-40 somebody might say something else .
Supervisor Borgos-The only one I highlighted, Paul while
you were gone, we just made the comment, I do not want to
repeat the comment but on page 15 item B to notify the
Sheriff' s Dept . when they are going to blast . . . Page 23, it
says there is no official report of a panther or a bobcat
being observed on the property . I never bothered to file a
report but many times I have seen bobcats on that property,
208 I do not know if you want to strike bobcats, I have not
personally seen panthers but I have seen bobcats . . . . I do
not know whether it will make any difference in the project
but I think, I could never say, we cannot say the bobcats
because I have seen the bobcats .
Mr. Brandt-I have seen bobcats . Take it out of there.
Supervisor Borgos-Take out the word bobcats in a couple of
places, everybody agree to that?
Councilman Poten^_,a-You are the one that saw them.
Mr . Brandt-I saw them three years ago . . .
Supervisor Borges-23, 24 I do not have any concerns , 25 ,
26, 27 got into the whole density issue again but we can
pass by that. 28 , 29 the bottom sentence on 29 bothers me,
the traffic impact are not considered to adverse . I think
we have all several times agreed that they are adverse, you
have to mitigate them. I think that bottom line should
not be there at all or traffic impacts will be . . .
Mr. Krzys-Take it out.
Supervisor Borgos-Just take it out . Otherwise we are going
to be arguing with ourselves .
Councilman Monahan-page 24 . . .deer concentration, may not be
in agreement with the . . .we have developed. . check that out.
Mr. Krzys-I think also in the deer concentration thing Betty
that when DEC responded to us they were pretty specific as to
what was going on up there .
Councilman Monahan-. . . we had an advisory environmental
committee and we have maps of this zone along this line,
they have become an official part of the town document you
know and I want to make sure they are checked against what
exists .
Mr. Brandt-No matter what land owners have seen or, in
otherwords people from whoever they are that you have found
are the most knowledgeable base on what is going on with the
deer population on West Mt . ?
Councilman Monahan-I am just saying I want Mr. . . .to take
your conclusion and put them against our Town Map they may
agree they may not disagree but I want . . . if they disagree
with you, you will have a chance to defend yourself.
Mr. Brandt-Now, wait a minute , defend myself? I do not
think that is the right phrase . I think there is a question
of where the deer are on that Mt . and where they aren't. I
think you can do a survey and find out where they are and
you could walk the property and find out if that is where
they are . I have been there twenty five years and I have
walked it a great deal summer, fall , winter and many many
times I have seen some representations of where the deer
herds are and I walked in there last winter and they
weren't . So, I think the fact is where the deer are, they
are . I think we can establish where they are and that is
fact . But I think to just take a broad brush and say they
are everywhere is not the right answer.
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Councilman Monahan-our maps are nit done broad brushed and I
just want Mrs . York to compare this with our maps that is
all I am asking.
Supervisor Borgos-Page 30, I have no, problems , Page 31 , I
will just take a second, that is more traffic . . . stuff . Page
32, Page 32 goes back to the final findings, what the
formula is going to be, who bays for the
Improvements . . . .Page 33 that ' s . . formula, I know it is on
page 33 have indicated there is no need to widen West Mt.
Road and certainly I hope there would not be, it is stated.
Councilman Monahan-I think Steve, that right there is
something that we have to . . .maybe in the findings as far as
I am concerned West Mt. Road is an old neighborhood and . . if
we were ever going to go into historical districts an area
that would be, an area that you would propose in no way
would I want to see any development having an impact on that
type of thing.
Supervisor Borgos-I can see further widening of the lane for
safety within the shoulders but I certainly don't,
personally I do not want to see no more than two lanes wide .
Councilman Monahan-Clear cut and the trees go down and so
on and so forth.
Mr. Krzys-. . . If I remember right, . . .did his study with the
town built out to its complete density according to the new
master plan and in the traffic study he said that West Mt.
Road would never have to go to anything but a two lane road.
Supervisor Borgos-Except there is floating around in the
building somewhere a recommendation from somebody that West
Mt . would be a four lane highway . I do not know what the
basis is, I have never seen that. . .
Mr . Krzys-I remember how that started. . .
Supervisor Borgos-I know that existed in writing somewhere
and I want to at some point. . .
Unknown-Both our consultant and Greiner looked at that in
detail and they did not find any, they disagreed with
that . . .
Supervisor Borgos-That makes me happy that you have seen
it at least. . .
Mr. Krzys-I think what Greiner. . .according to the density
that was already been instilled for that whole area of town
and including our project and there was still no reason to
widen West Mt . Road.
Supervisor Borgos-I am on the top of page 34.
Councilman Monahan-35, . . .West Mt . Road. . .
Supervisor Borgos-I have highlighted things , that you
highlighted, page 35 again no justification to widened West
Mt . Road. Page 36 Talk about traffic signals at West Mt.
Road and Potter, West Mt . probably true, there have been a
lot of accidents already, probably there will be more if
there is more traffic . . . .Page 37 again goes into the case of
spit traffic . . .Page 38 again, we are talking formulas and I
feel very strongly that at this stage of the findings,
certainly between now and the findings we have to work
carefully on this formula, these are a lot of factors that
have to be worked through . They have to be weighted
factors . I do not know what the answer is, I have to look
at some proposals with some justifications , that is going to
be a big part of the findings document . I just want to be
sure of that . Page 39 , You say you are going to get more
traffic - on West Mt . Road then I will agree with that . 40, I
do not have a problem with what is here . Page 41 I
question the third pars-graph down. One of the primary
benefits of the resort community is the establishment of
well paying year round jobs in an area that typically has
high unemployment in the winter months , I do not know if we
can support that statement statistically anymore, that may
be true for Hamilton County but I do not know that our
unemployment shoots up that much in this, unless you are
talking about a big area . I do not know, it might be
supported, you might say subject to seasonal unemployment
without saying high unemployment .
Mr. Brandt-I think we were quoting something that we read in
the newspaper, from the Department of Labor last year that
there was an increase in Warren County, I do not know what
high unemployment is, I think that is semantics_.
Supervisor Borgos-Maybe saying seasonal unemployment changes
or something. . .
Mr. Brandt-It may be more important in Luzerne than it is in
Queensbury. I do not think that is typical of Queensbury
economy.
Supervisor Borgos-I do not think so .
Mr. Brandt-Far more typical of resort areas .
Town Attorney Dusek-Perhaps if on that statement a
suggestion might be, just take out the qualifying words,
take out well and well paying, take out high on
unemployment . That I +_pink would do it.
Supervisor Borgos-Establishment of year around jobs in an
area. . . lets clear something out of here, primary benefits of
the resort community is the establishment of year round
jobs , strike some stuff, the impact of the year round jobs
adds to the stability and social economic health of that
region.
Councilman Potenza-OK.
Supervisor Borgos-That eliminates a lot of stuff. . .Page 41 ,
we cut out the words . . .
Councilman Potenza-One of the primary benefits of the resort
community is establishment of year round jobs .
Supervisor Borgos-And then the last sentence .
Councilman Potenza-The impact of year round jobs add to the
Supervisor Borgos-That takes care . . .
Councilman Kurosaka-It takes out the superlatives which you
do not need. It says you are providing jobs to an area. . .
Supervisor Borgos-Anything else on page 41? Page 42 It
just points out the fact that as lead agency we have a lot
of responsibility . Page 43 we. will pass, it still needs
some more work on. Page 44 a mis-spelled word, next to the
last line component is spelled wrong. I do not know if it
is necessary in our FEIS and George says it is ours, to
insert the sentence in the forth paragraph down from the top
of 45 that it is unfortunate that all surrounding residents
cannot support the project but it is not realistic , I do not
think that helps the document, I know what you are trying to
say, it is your opinion, but since it is our document I do
not think it will help or htirt to throw it away. Can we
strike it, do you hear where I am coming from?
Councilman Kurosaka-It is negative .
Supervisor Borgos-•I would rather not say that. The rest of
45 I can live with. Page 46 no problem. Page 47 no
problem. Page 48 I al.r.ea.,j.y called to your attention the
tabular problems has that been resolved?
Unknown-Yes .
Supervisor Borgos-This is mathmatical maybe a new table or
corrected table . Page 49 . . .
(Town Attorney Dusek--excused himself from the meeting)
Supervisor Borgos-We will . . . .things , it is obvious to me
that we are going to need probably, we will need one more
meeting anyway, we have got to look at these papers and we
got three or four other things, we are boiling it down.
Mr. Krzys-Why don't we get through this, all we are doing is
identifying things that are other issues and we have to fix
them anyway.
Supervisor Borgos-That is my feeling, if Paul could leave ,
with no objections I have major objection, we will have the
record and we will try to make some notes . We will try to
keep going until five forty five max we will try to get
through, we may be through. . .
Town Attorney Dusek-We have that other matter though . I can
stay here until five thirty, five thirty five maybe five
forty .
Supervisor Borgos-Would you object to a fifteen minute
adjournment of this to go into executive session with these
other people .
Mr. Krzys-Not at all .
RESOLUTION CALLING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION NO. 453, 1989, Introduced. by Mrs . Marilyn Potenza
who moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. George Kurosaka:
RESOLVED, that the Town. Board of the Town of Queensbury here
by moves into executive session to discuss matters of
litigation.
Duly adopted this 18th day of August, 1989, by the following
vote:
Ayes : Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . Monahan, Mr. Borgos
Noes : None
Absent: Mr. Montesi
RESOLUTION TO COME BACK INTO REGULAR SESSION
RESOLUTION NO.�454, 1989, Introduced by Mrs . Marilyn Potenza
who. moved for its adoption, seconded by Mr. George Kurosaka:
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury
hereby moves back into Regular Session.
Duly adopted this 18th day of August, 1989, by the following
vote :
Ayes : Mr. Kurosaka, Mrs . Potenza, Mrs . Monahan, Mr. Borgos
Noes : None
Absent :Mr. Montesi
Supervisor Borgos-We are back into regular session, we
apologize for the delay, we have been trying to resolve a
neighborhood dispute for almost two years and we have
resolved it . Five years, it is a long, long time so I am
thrilled to death, sorry it took so long, we owe you thirty
five more minutes . Lets see what we can do in thirty five
more minutes . Page 49, I have a couple of recommendations ,
I just, I do not get hang up on fire, I just have been
involved with it for so long, just a couple changes in
wording I would recommend . In the second paragraph it is
really a paragraph where it. says West Mt . project employees
will. be trained and qualified etc . I think it should be
212 re-worded trained and qualified as fire fighters , firemen is
an old term now, and fire fighters two seperate words in
numbers sufficient to staff the fire station to be located
at the top of the mountain, until , we are going to scratch
out some words the acting and volunteer stuff, scratch that
out, and say until such time as adequate members, adequate
numbers of volunteer fire fighters are available to staff
the fire station. You eliminate a lot of stuff which has
some legal meaning that you do not want to say and we do not
want to say. We do not want to say that your people are
quote volunteer firemen because that gets into the volunteer
firemen benefit fund and all that other stuff, and we do not
want to limit it t.o . . . If you would agree to that.
Mr . Brandt-No problem.
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Supervisor Borgos-The paragraph under that just to make
everything clear and we have always agreed, fire fighting
equipment will be worked out during the findings process, it
should say fire fighting and emergency medical services
equipment, we have always talked about an ambulance up there
to, just so it has not been overlooked, otherwise emergency
medical services are not discussed.
Councilman Monahan-Steve, before, you leave that page, I am a
little uncomfortable with who will be paying for it? I
thought that this was going to be West Mt. operation?
Supervisor Borgos-Yes , and that is referred to, where it
says financing fire station and fire fighting and EMS
equipment will be worked out during the findings process .
It is my understanding the only thing to be worked out is
presicely which equipment and the exact timing of the
purchase of the equipment in other words in a meeting that I
attended in the West Glens Falls Fire House they pointed out
that they needed an additional attack or first response four
wheel drive vehicle for brush fire or that kind of thing
during the initial phase of construction, they would not
need their tower the first day or probably not the first
couple of months , not until the hotel is there, probably.
So, that is the kind of thing I think has to be worked out,
it has always been agreed that West Mt . would have to buy
the initial round of equipment. .
Councilman Monahan-And construct the buildings?
Supervisor Borgos-And the buildings , right, after that the
taxbase picks it up and maintains it .
Mr. Krzys-Betty, all we are talking about, during the
findings process is the method that we choose for financing
and I think there are several different ways to do it I
think that is more of what we are talking about. We
understand that we will have to pay for it or guarantee to
pay them for it . . .
Supervisor Borgos-The phasing of things also.
Mr . Krzys- . . .that would be worked out in the findings
process that is why we said that .
Supervisor Borgos-That is what I got in my mind, I agree
with Betty though.
Councilman Monahan-1 love things in black and white .
Supervisor Borgos-Yes , that ry got to come as part of the
findings . . . .
Page 50 again it says A system of water storage and
distribution lines will be constructed to supply project
facilities I am sure it is understood by everybody, it is
stated elsewhere to be paid for by the developer. That has
always been understood, the water supply and the sewage and
all that would be at_ the developers expense. Page 51 looks
clear, page 52 we should change some terminology where you
say some individual wells furnish water to residences of
Queensbury, I think . . it should say most private homes in
Queensbury are still furnished by wells, water. The town in
general we only have five thousand water customers and
another 5, 20 thousand wells . . . I think the word should be
most, it is a technical change but most of the people are
still on wells .
Councilman Kurosaka-Mast of the people in town are on wells .
Supervisor Borgos-Page 53, your are talking, four paragraphs
up from the bottom on page 53 about drilling wells near the
Hudson River. Inquiring right a way, you have not said what
for, I presume this is for snow making? So those are the
wells , maybe those are the wells that you referred to
earlier.
Mr. Krzys-I think, all the wells that we have been talking
about are having to do with either irrigating the golf
course or for snow making.
Supervisor Borgos-Do you have land on the Hudson River, I
was not aware of that?
Mr. Krzys-No . If we are able' to get an easement for example
from Nimo . . .we would consider that.
Supervisor Borgos-Ok
Councilman Monahan-If not what is going to be your
alternative?
Mr. Krzys-Using Town water.
Supervisor Borgos-Back at the bottom I just made a note on
the impact on surface water, again in the findings we will
have to talk about erosion control specifics,
Councilman Monahan-I will say Stephen in passing, . . .they
will also get that when they go for their approvals and
everything, plus the inspectors we have now to go out and
check all this stuff .
Supervisor Borgos-Page 54 . . . Page 54 I have no problem, Page
55 I do not know what you are Using for your statistics for
solid waste generation but since you have been so specific I
think you should sight reference to that. Put a footnote
there and say based on somebodies report of the average
household or whatever you have done a lot of multiplication
to come up with thirteen point one five tons per day of
additional allowance those numbers had to come from
somewhere and it should be footnoted and referenced. I am
not going to agree or disagree . . . You self imposed here
some penalities for failure to comply you created your own
mandatory solid waste management program, we do not have it
in place in the Town, are you talking about something over
and above what the Town has and if so, probably at the
findings level would have to bring in some idea of what you
are doing.
Mr. Krzys-I think what. we have said is part of living at
West Mt. is that every home would have to have, for example,
these are just ideas to be finalized, every home would have
to have a place for separation of , lets say glass , and that
kind of stuff as part of the in home environment and so it is
our own way of handling recycling . It would be part of what
we would do for the people . . .
21 4. Supervisor Borgos-I have another sentence in the same
paragraph that talks about agreements will be drawn with
recycling companies to recover recyclable, I think we should
say as permitted by law. Because under the so called flow
control legislation you probably will not have an option to
do a whole heck of a lot whatever Warren Co . planning`
imposes will be where you go, which actually simplifies your
process . It will all go to one central recycling plant
supposedly and be done with, so it probably should say in
accordance with legislation. . . .
Councilman Kurosaka- . . separ_ati.on of cans from glass and
plastic from garbage and paper. . .
Supervisor Borgos-Page 56 you stated that you are willing to
send things to the Glens Falls Wastewater. Plant, Page 57 1
did not have anything to argue with because the numbers are
generated on the basis of something. 58, I have no problem
there, 59 nothing marked., 60 if I go to fast please hollar.
61 , 62 a lot of this no problems , 63 , 64, 65, stop on 66 for
a second, we took care of that the last time with the
. . . in great detail , page 66, 67 item d has to follow the
State standards anyway, 68
Councilman Monahan-Do we even need this about the other
proposed wastewater treatment plant if we . . .
Supervisor Borgos-I think because of the law suit that we
got where people did not discuss alternatives we should keep
it in.
Councilman Monahan-All right.
Supervisor Borgos-Page 65 item 5 talking about keeping the
public streets free of dirt and dust and so forth our law
says you shall not deposit it period. You have given
yourselves twelve yours , I think that ought to be six hours
for some reason you dump a load of something in the road I
would think six hours it ought to be cleaned up or it can be
a hazard. The law says immediately, why don't we say such
material shall be removed.
Councilman Monahan-Where is this Steve.
Supervisor Borgos-Item 5 top of page 16, materials are
deposited, spilled or spread on a pubic street, such
material shall be removed, period. Strike out the time,
that helps everybody. If something happens, take care of
it .
Councilman Kurosaka-If it is hazardous material it has to be
handled in a special way it may take three days to get out
of there , who knows?
Supervisor Borgos-Is that an agreeable change?
Mr. Brandt-Yea.
Councilman Kurosaka-Whatever the law says .
Supervisor Borgos-Just take out the last part, part of the
last sentence .
Councilman Monahan-Are you just taking out the twelve hours
or are you just taking out . . .
Supervisor Borgos-I just took out ' everything after the
word. . . Page 69 I like the —no cost to the town, that
sounds really good .
Councilman Kurosaka-I was very impressed by the report
volumn I is very good, I had. !-Imp to sit down and read it, I
did not go through it with a pencil like you people did, I
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have seen you do this before Steve, so . . .
Supervisor Borgos-Page 69
Councilman Kurosaka-I went through it after I got the stuff
from Dennis .
Supervisor Borgos-Dennis , I have got to ask you this
question, have you checked the calculation under 23 . taxes?
Mr. McElroy-No .
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Supervisor Borgos-Our Attorney is not here, I would just
question whether the number is needed or if we say the
developer in the developers opinion this dollar amount of
taxes will be generated because , I do not have time to check
this and I would rather have it say something like that .
The developer reports that this would be or however . . .
Unknown-based upon studies conducted by New Concept
Communities, is the end of that sentence I do not know if
that suffices or not?
Councilman Kurosaka-Based on somebodies . . .
Supervisor Borgos-Alright, you have that documentation? We
do have that documentation, I have seen that somewhere .
Councilman Monahan-Wait a minute, . . .a word needs to come
out of there, it should be approximately or something like
that, is a definite statement .
Mr. Krzys-Should be estimated. . .
Supervisor Borgos-Is estimated to be . Otherwise off by a
dollar . .Page 70 I want to find out, did you correctly
indicate what is estimated to go to Warren County,
Queensbury is part of that, approximately a third of that,
you have not broken it down and I do not see a need to break
it down, it is my understanding that Queensbury only gets
some . 70, no more problems . Page 71 , I have bit of
concern that you have indicated sales tax with a hotel room
tax, we do not have a hotel tax or occupancy tax, I do not
know where that number came from.
Mr. Krzys-I think we did it originally Steve, that we had it
In there and subsequently—we pulled it out. . .
Supervisor Borgos-So I will have the modified number. . .
Col.incilman Kurosaka- . . . .Lake George was talking about it,
bed tax. . .
Supervisor Borgos-It has been discussed. . .the rates are
already too high for the record. . . .page 72 , I highlighted
some things . . .Page 73 When we talk about recreational fees
that is obviously a big part of the findings , you stated
that the developer intends to reach an agreement with the
Town and I am sure that, that Is going to be, say, a big
item . The regulations provide land or fee, we will have that
worked out sometime in next few weeks . Page 74 this is the
blasting issue again and we agreed to notify the Sheriff' s
Dept . so if people call in, if you had major blasting I
would presume you would have an ad in the newspaper. . .Page
75 it talks about the bonding requirements, all that is to
be worked out, a little more work to do. 76, looks good to
me, the yellow page is Just perfect. . Page 77 Item I B Again
the same statement on the Luzer.ne Mt. Road, Luzerne Mt . Road
as we talked about before, no construction traffic, no
deliveries . Emergencies, . .for emergencies only . Otherwise
77 is good.
Mr. Krzys-I am sorry Steve , 77 .
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Supervisor Borgos- 77 looks good, except for that 1B and
re-emphasis of the emergency use only for the Mt. Road.
78 looks good. 79 ok 80
Councilman Monahan- . . . page 78 . . .according to ordinances of
the Town at the time . . .
Supervisor Borgos-ok, that again is part of the findings . . .
Councilman Monahan-Anything in this book can be changed when
you up date any of the )rdinances .
Supervisor Borgos-Ok. rtl is ok, if I say ok, I am saying ok
that it is complete . Page 82 12B talks specifically to the
findings .
Councilman Monahan-Wait a minute , I have to re-read the top
of page, 6B on the top of page 80 to see if it can make
sense to me . . . ok. . . it is ok as it stands . .
Supervisor Borgos-As far as I know. Page 82 you talk about
details of the findings, the financing from the findings to
a degree . Page 83 looks reasonable , . . . .Page 84 about the
act of the sewer district formation that has been . . . in the
previous discussion, l do not have any problem with that,
Page 85 , 86, 87 clear, 88 clear 89 clear yellow page, 90
clear from 91 to the rest I will have to defer to the rest
of the group I did not finish past 91 , I will defer to the
rest of the group. Does anyone have comments on page 92,
responses to the comments of the Queensbury Association,
there representative was at the .last meeting. . . so I would
say unless someone is displeased we boiled this out to
relatively few things left to be determined and probably not
to difficult for you to provide . Call Paul in the next
couple of days to figure this out .
Attorney Persico-We would. like to leave with some degree of
certainty as to where we are going from here, I think the
junctures are we will re-write the document based upon this
meeting by Monday and we will provide . . .then we will . . .
Councilman Monahan-Is there someway you could mark those
changes?
Attorney Persico-Yes .
Mr. Krzys- Would you like a check list or do you want us to
take the pages and just give you just the replacement pages
for that .
Councilman Monahan-I would like that.
Mr. Krzys-It is all on word processing, just fix the
language .
Councilman Monahan-Maybe bold face the new wording or
somet.hing. . .
Mr. Krzys-Underline the changes
Attorney Persico-One way is to do it in legislative . . .
bracket out old language and underline new language . . . . I do
not know how much time you woialrl need to get back to us and
say to finalize it the third step would be, we would then
finalize the document and then forthly try to get a date
when you would take final action on it . . . .
Councilman Potenza- . . . it will be hand delivered to us . . .to
read the corrections that were made , I do not see a need to
go page by page again, if you give it to us by Monday that
wives us time to review it , get it back to them, this is a
two week process . . .
Supervisor Borgos-Under that scenario, and following yours
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at our next regular meeting after next tuesday, I do not
know what the date is , does the Clerk have the . . .
Town Clerk-Sept. 12 . . .that is primary day. .
Supervisor Borgos-Discussion held on date . . . if we can have
it on Monday, sometime that following week. . .
Councilman Potenza-The last week in August
Supervisor Borgos-We will have to check with Paul ' s time
schedule and everybodyes here, but as soon as possible ok,
so that, the next week if possible . . .
Mr . Krzys-This is not difficult to change mostly just
clarification of things I do not think there is anything we
disagree on, other than clarifying the density.
Supervisor Borgos-Monday and Tuesday are terrible days . . .
Councilman Potenza-Monday the 21st . they are going to get
it to us , my thinking is that by the time we review it and
we have gotten it back to them and if there are any
corrections there they haven't made, then they can finalize
the FEIS so there is no reason why we could not have it
probably the 28th or 29th.
Supervisor Borgos-That would be good because if we make
comments to Paul Dusek and he gets back to you that means
the next time you come in the language ought to be cleaned
up. . .rather than wait for another meeting.
Mr. Krzys-The next time we ought to be able to say, just be
able to say, hey this is what we all agreed on . . .
Supervisor Borgos-Otherwise, you are going to come in with a
proposal and sit down. . . sometime on the 28th or 29th. . . I
will have to check my schedule . . .
Mr. Krzys-I think that all the things that we talked about
at this meeting, . . .needs clarity is the density thing.
Supervisor Borgos-I think it is to everybody' s advantage
to have the entire Board present for the final vote , I think
that is important if at all possible, so we will do whatever
we have to do to work out through the Attorney to contact
persons, unless anyone else wants to jump in. . . .
Mr. Krzys-When this comes back in . . .you will get what we
have here retyped and we can show you the replacement pages,
you make your responses to those, fix those based on those
responses do you want us to putt it back in a new book and
deliver the whole book or Lust . . .
Councilman Monahan-Why don ' t you just number them so we can
tell the new numbering from the old numbering. . .
Unknown-Like as built plans when it is all done, everything
is done , make as many copies as you have to distribute
them. . .
Councilman Monahan-Maybe just date the bottom of the page . . .
(Discussion regarding getting copies of these documents to
Lee York. . . )
Attorney Persico-I will be honest with you. I think you
have done some findings wort today, a tot needs
clarification but. we were getting down to conditions to . . .
Supervisor Borgos-We tried to avoid them as mu.c_h as we
could .
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Attorney Persico-We did get into some of them which is fine,
it is now or later. . .
Len Fosbrook-I have tine more thing. We might be able to
resolve some things to get some clarification on issues on
the density issue . Betty you had some concerns about the
numbers . . .
Councilman Monahan-I think we need the minutes of that
meeting, I do not think we can even talk about. . .
Supervisor Borgos-Again, thank you for your patience , sorry
we had to settle that other dispute . . .
Mr . Krzys- . . .all of you took a considerable amount of time
to look at this and I Fim very impressed by the fact that you
did that so . . .
On motion the meeting was adjol?rned .
Respectfully submitted,
Miss Darleen M. Dougher
Town Clerk-Queensbury