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QUEENSBURY TOWN PLANNING BOARD
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Regular Meeting held: Tuesday, September 16, 1986 @ 8:00 P.M.
Present: Richard Roberts, Chairman
* Hilda Mann
Frank DeSantis
Susan Levandowski
Stuart F. Mesinger, Senior Planner
Kenneth Sorlin, Secretary
Joseph S. Dybas
Victor Macri, Jr.
R. Case Prime, Attorney
Susan E. Davidsen, Stenographer
The meeting was called to order at 8:00 P.M. by Richard Roberts, Chairman
who at this time approved the August 1986 minutes as written.
Approved.
OLD BUSINESS
OFF PREMISES SIGN NO. 23
The business for which the sign is requested is Jim's Glass Service of 6 Second
Street, West Glens Falls, New York. The location of the lot where the sign is to
be placed is 64 Main Street in a Highway Commercial 15 Zone.
The applicant is James C. Fish of 6 Second Street, West Glens Falls, New York.
The owner of the lot is Double A Provisions.
Mr. Roberts said that there would be no problem with the request made by
the applicant. This is an existing sign which needs a permit.
A motion was made by Mr. DeSantis to approve the Off Premises Sign.
Second by Mr. Dybas, all voting affirmatively
RESOLVED THAT Off Premises Sign No. 23 be approved as it meets all standards
for Off Premises Signs.
Approved.
OFF PREMISES SIGN NO. Z4
The business for which the sign is requested is Bay Meadows Golf Club of R.
D. #1, Cronin Road, Glens Falls, New York. The location of the lot where the sign
is to be placed is the corner of Bay and Cronin Roads in a Highway Commercial
15 Zone.
The undersigned is Bay Meadows Golf Club of R. D. #1, Cronin Road, Glens
Falls, New York. The owner of the lot is Harry Moon of 307 Bay Road, Glens Falls,
New York.
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Mr. Roberts observed the fact that it is a conforming sign which at the present
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time does not have a permit.
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A motion was made by Mr. Macri to approve the Off Premises Sign.
Second by Mr. DeSantis, all voting affirmatively
RESOL VED THAT Off Premises Sign No. 24 be approved as it meets all standards
for Off Premises Signs.
Approved.
Mr. Roberts proceeded with the meeting and requested that Site Plan No.
24-86 be reviewed which was listed on the end of the agenda.
SITE PLAN NO. 24-86
The applicant is Don J. Siano of Box 133, Star Route, Glens Falls, New York.
The proposed use and location of the property is to construct a one-family dwelling
on Fox Road in a Land Conservation 42A Zone.
Mr. Roberts stated that this is a subdivision preexisting the ordinance. Because
it is an undersized lot in the Adirondack Park a Site Plan Review is required. Furthermore,
he stated that the Board has routinely granted requests to several neighbors of the
applicant because of their undersized lots.
Mr. Siano represented himself and informed the members that a correction
should be made on the drawing of the proposed Site Plan in regards to the length
of the house. The length is 69 feet and not the 72 feet which is shown.
Mr. Roberts stated that the change would not create any difficulty.
Public Hearing Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
Mr. Sorlin read the resolution by the Warren County Planning Board which
approved the Site Plan without comment.
Mr. Roberts asked if there were any questions by the Board or by anyone in
the audience. No comment.
A motion was made by Mrs. Levandowski to approve the Site Plan as this is
a preexisting lot in a preexisting subdivision. Previous Site Plan reviews have been
granted in this particular subdivision.
Second by Mr. Dybas, all voting affirmatively
RESOLVED THAT Site Plan No. 24-86 be approved. This is a preexisting lot in a
preexisting subdivision. Previous Site Plan reviews have been granted in this particular
subdivision.
Approved.
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SUBDMSION NO. 8-86 FINAL APPROVAL
Amber Shire, Section II - Slopey Enterprises, 37 lots off of the north side of
Pitcher Road, adjoining Amber Shire, Section I - Slopey Enterprises, Development.
Further action was needed for final approval: Clarification on covenants,
guest house, ownership, formation of Homeowners Association for the land along
Clendon Brook, approval from the State Health Department, Town Highway Supt.,
and Town Water Supt..
Mr. Andrew McCormack from the surveying firm of Coulter and McCormack
represented Mr. Jack Slopey and his subdivision to be known as Amber Shire, Section
II. Mr. McCormack presented plans with all boundaries for the lots. Drainage features
were shown.
Mr. McCormack presented a memorandum to the members that was addressed
to Dick Roberts, from Dick Morse, regarding said project. It was dated September
16, 1986. Storm water drainage was discussed and noted that the majority of the
water would be diverted to Clendon Brook via open ditches and one culvert at
approximately the mid station of the proposed road. Drainage from this road would
be piped approximately 100 feet and then drained to Clendon Brook via overland
flow. At the western entrance road to the site, the developer has proposed a 6 drywell
system with perforated pipe. The perforated pipe sizing and length will match a
10 year return period storm for the area. An overflow will be constructed from
this system to the ditchline of Pitcher Road and any excess runoff will be diverted
along the northern side of Pitcher Road to Clendon Brook.
The letter stated that on September 15, 19st~ a conversation between Tom
Flaherty of the Queensbury Water Department and Dick Morse had occurred. It
was noted that approval of the hydrant spacing for the subdivision had been granted.
Mr. Roberts noted that the changes were needed to the restrictive covenants.
Mr. Prime said that the changes had been made and are acceptable.
In regards to septic system locations, it was noted by Mr. Roberts that all
septic systems had been moved 100 feet from the stream as requested.
Mr. Roberts asked Mr. Naylor for a letter in reference to accepting the drainage
design.
Mr. McCormack said that the Department of Health had reviewed the map
and made 2 minor changes: the size of a water main, and the plotting of a test hole.
Mr. McCormack commented as to the fact that a stamp of approval would be done
tomorrow as he would meet with the Department of Health in the morning.
Mr. Roberts reminded Mr. Slopey of the need for a recreation fee.
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A motion was made by Mr. Dybas to approve the subdivision as the applicant
has provided all the necessary data required since the project was tabled in August
1986.
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Second by Mr. Macri, all voting affirmatively
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*RESOLVED THAT Subdivision No. 8-86 be approved as the applicant has provided
all the necessary data required since the project was tabled in August 1986
Approved.
SUBDMSION NO. 2-85 CONTINUED PUBUC HEARING
Kings Plantation, Phase I - 26 lots of duplexes - located on the southern side
of Peggy Ann Road, west of Wintergreen Road.
No one was available at the present time to represent the project. Mr. Roberts
suggested that the Board move onto the next order of business and wait for a
representative to arrive.
* Upon anival of a representative, the project will be introduced again.
The next order of business was introduced by Mr. Roberts.
SITE PLAN NO. 17-86
The applicant: Peter Bailey of the Log Jam Center located on the east side
of Route 9, south of Route 149.
Mr. Roberts stated that there was not anyone present this evening to represent
the proposal. It was stated that he (Mr. Roberts) and the Town's project engineer,
Mr. Morse,) had worked with the project earlier this afternoon. It was noted that
what was required (additional information regarding storm water drainage and septic
disposal) had been provided.
Mr. Roberts introduced a letter into the file, addressed to him, from Mr. Edward
D. Koncikowski the project coordinator, dated September 16, 1986. It regarded
the current design concept which will not include provisions for public restroom
facilities, instead it will be based upon employee usage.
Mr. Roberts also read a memorandum dated September 16, 1986 that was
addressed to him regarding the Log Jam Center Factory Store. This letter was from
Mr. Morse, the Town of Queensbury's engineer for this project. The memorandum
introduced two modifications in regards to the proposed construction of the Site
Plan: storm water drainage and septic system designs.
Mr. Roberts clarified the parking standards required and noted that if more
space was needed, they could comply.
Mr. Roberts noted that the Board members were satisfied with the finalization
of the storm water drainage plans and the septic systems.
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Public Hearing Opened: no comment
* the resol~~~on authorized the Chairman to sign the plat for Subdivision No. 8-86
when the N.Y.S Dept. of Health stamp is pla~ed on the plat and the recreation fee
received.
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A motion was made by Mr. DeSantis to approve the Sketch Plans based on
the initial presentation.
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Second by Mrs. Levandowski, all voting affirmatively
RESOL VED THAT Subdivision No. 11-86 approve the Sketch Plan based on the initial
presentation and the letter from the New York State Department of Environmental
Conservation addressing wetland (potential) concerns.
Approved.
SUBDIVISION NO. 12-86 SKETCH PLAN
The applicant: Sunnyside South located on the south side of Sunnyside Road.
Mr. Dick Jones representing the owner, introduced Mr. Morse who is the engineer
for the project. Mr. Jones described the plan to subdivide approximately 50 acres
into 40 lots in the Single Family Residential 30 Zone. Future development is also
contemplated. Drainage will be directed to a tributary of Halfway Brook. The property
was a dairy farm until 2 years ago.
In response to questions, Mr. Jones said that the amount of fill required near
the stream was not yet known.
Mr. Roberts said that soils appeared acceptable. Mr. DeSantis said that this
was the maximum number of lots which could be allowed with a single entrance
road.
A motion was made by Mr. Dybas to approve the Sketch Plan based on the
initial input provided.
Second by Mrs. Levandowski, all voting affirmatively
Por further action the following is needed, Preliminary Plat, Preliminary Engineering
information.
RESOL VED THAT Subdivision No. 12-86 approve the Sketch Plan based on the initial
input provided.
Approved.
SITE PLAN NO. 18-86
The applicant: Laskin Development of New York, Inc., (Sherman Place) located
on 199 Sherman Avenue.
Mr. David Higgs and Mr. Bob Leaver represented the project. They described
the proposal: to build 5 four-plex buildings in a Urban Residential 10 Zone, which
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Public Hearing Closed.
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Mr. Roberts read the resolution by the Warren County Planning Board for the
proposal which was approved without comment.
A motion was made by Mrs. Levandowski to approve the the Site Plan as the
applicant has provided all the requested drainage and sewage plans which have been
reviewed by Mr. Morse who is the consulting engineer for the project.
Second by Mr. DeSantis, all voting affirmatively
RESOL VED THAT Site Plan No. 17-86 be approved as the applicant has provided
all requested drainage and sewage plans which were found to be acceptable.
Approved.
NEW BUSINESS
SUBDIVISION NO. 11-86 SKETCH PLAN
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The applicant: Laskin Development of New York, Inc., (Edge water Place)
located on Haviland Avenue. It is a subdivision that is partly in the City of Glens
Falls and partly in the Town of Queensbury.
Mr. David Higgs introduced himself, an employee of Laskin Development.
Mr. Higgs represented the project. He stated that the Glens Falls City Planning
Board has reviewed the plans and are basically satisfied with their side of it.
Mr. Leaver who has designed the Site Plan was introduced by Mr. Higgs to
talk about some of the features regarding those lots in the Queensbury area. He
stated that the main access to the Queensbury side of the project will come from
Haviland Avenue and cross the Glens Falls line and run into a cul-de-sac. There
are a total of 14 lots in Queensbury; 11 of which will be served by the Haviland Avenue
entrance and cul-de-sac. Three lots fall in Queensbury and will have access from
the new street coming in from Thornberry Drive.
Mr. Leaver stated that in a discussion between Mr. Higgs and the Department
of Transportation, their appears to be no problems with storm water drainage.
Mr. Roberts asked if part of the property is wetlands. Mr. Higgs stated that
the Planning Board on the Glens Falls side ordered an investigation to be done on
the matter. A wildlife biologist from the New York State Department of Environmental
Conservation did an investigation and found wetlands on the west side of Haviland
Avenue. It was noted that these wetlands found are of sufficient size and they plan
to map it and include it in the revised wetland maps for the Town of Queensbury.
The east side showed some wetland but is too small and not contiguous to the west
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is under the allowed density. City water and storm sewers will be used. On-site
septic disposal and parking is anticipated as is landscaping. These will be 1-2 bedroom
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The Board members asked for details on septic systems, storm water drainage,
parking and landscaping.
Mr. DeSantis read a letter into the record which opposed the project, citing
numerous concerns.
Public Hearing Opened: Mrs. Philip Normandin, Chris Anderson, Bill Davidson,
Jim Bowers, Bob Havens, Andy Scarpellino, and an unidentified speaker all spoke
in opposition to the project.
* Public Hearing Closed.
A motion was made by Mr. Macri to table the application and keep the public
hearing open.
Second by Mrs. Levandowski, all voting affirmatively
RESOL VED THAT Site Plan Review 18-86 be tabled and to keep a public hearing
open. The Board is requesting further details on the project, including drainage,
sewage disposal, traffic impacts and screening.
Tabled.
* Mr. Roberts returned to SUBDIVISION NO. 2-85, Kings Plantation, Phase I
SUBDIVISION NO. 2-85 CO~TINUED PUBLIC HEARING
The applicant: Kings Plantation, Phase I - 26 lots of duplexes - located on
the southern side of Peggy Ann Road, west of Wintergreen Road.
Mr. Frank Walter said that they were looking for Preliminary approval. Storm
and waste water problems had been resolved. The City of Glens Falls had agreed
to accept storm water drainage onto the City watershed land for runoff a 10 year
design storm.
Various Board members spoke in favor of the revised drainage design.
Public Hearing Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
A motion was made by Mrs. Levandowski to grant Preliminary Approval as
the applicant has satisfied all the requirements including storm water management
plans as provided September 16, 1986.
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Second by Mr. Dybas, all voting affirmatively
* the Public Hearing for Site Plan No. 18-86 was left open until October; it was
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RESOL VED THAT Subdivision No. 2-85 be granted Preliminary Approval. The applicant
has satisfied all requirements including storm water management plan as provided
September 16, 1986.
Approved.
SITE PLAN NO. 20-86
Marilyn and Alex Potenza of 7 Moorwood Drive, Queensbury, New York proposed
project use and location is to rehabilitate a building for retail sales and professional
offices in a Highway Commercial 15 Zone.
Mrs. Potenza read a letter into the record describing the proposed rehabilitation
and reuse of the old Garvey Volkswagon dealership on Miller Hill, Route 9.
Public Hearing Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
Mr. Mesinger asked that the applicant provide signage for traffic direction at the
back of the property, which the applicant agreed to.
Mr. Serlin read the resolution by the Warren County Planning Board for the
proposal which was approved without comment. The Queensbury Beautification
Committee approved.
A motion was made by Mr. Dybas to approve the project as this is an excellent
example of recycling an old existing building.
Second by Mr. DeSantis, all voting affirmatively
RESOLVED THAT Site Plan No. 20-86 be approved as this is an excellent example
of recycling an old existing building.
Approved.
SITE PLAN NO. 21-86
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Donald Sokol of 120 Aviation Road, Glens Falls, New York proposed use and
location is to construct an addition for a limited banking facility and insurance agency
on Aviation Road, 1 mile west of Aviation Mall, next to Sokol's Market in a Neighborhood
Commercial 10 Zone.
Mr. Roberts said that there was a parking problem. Several businesses were
already on site. Mr. Mesinger reviewed the zoning ordinances parking requirements.
The site is 10 or more sites short.
The Board members discussed parking and said that the problem was not the
number of spaces, but rather flow and direction. There is one big curb cut which
causes confusion and may be unsafe. In addition, cars use the parking lot as a shortcut
from Aviation Road to Dixon Road.
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Mr. Sokol said that the banking facility would not generate much additional
traffic and that there had never been an accident at said location.
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The Board members discussed the percentage of the site which needs to be
unpaved and determined that what is presently existing is acceptable.
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The Board members agreed that a traffic flow study and revised ingress and
egress were needed.
A motion was made by Mr. Macri to table the application - requesting that
the applicant provide a traffic study and submit a revised plan on parking and traffic
flow with consideration to ingress and egress on Aviation Road.
Second by Mrs. Levandowski, all voting affirmatively
RESO L VED THAT Site Plan No. 21-86 be tabled. The Board mem bers are requesting
that the applicant provide a traffic study and submit a revised plan on parking and
traffic flow with consideration to ingress and egress on Aviation Road.
Tabled.
SITE PLAN NO. 22-86
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The applicant: Earltown Corporation of One Broad Street Plaza, Glens Falls,
New York. The proposed use and location is to create a maximum of 13 commercial
lots from 27 acres along Quaker Road, fronting on a proposed access street and
proposed boulevard. The proposed uses would be in conformance with the Zoning
Regula tions.
Mr. Edward Bartholomew described the proposal: To subdivide 27 acres in
the Plaza Commercial Zone into 13 commercial lots. An access road was proposed
with 4 curb cuts, one being a major road into future development areas. Earltown
will provide basic site improvements including building the road to Town standards
and will market the lots.
* The Board members discussed the need for 4 cuts at length. Mr. Bartholomew
said that Earltown would remove one if it was a problem in the future, but that
Earltown felt that 4 were needed for marketing. Mr. Macri said that it would be
far easier to add a 4th if needed than to have to remove it if already built.
Public Hearing Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
Mr. Roberts read the resolution by the Warren County Planning Board which
approved without comment.
The Queensbury Beautification Committee approved of planting details.
Mr. Sorlin reviewed the S.E.Q.R.A. forms. Traffic was discussed in detail.
Mr. Mesinger pointed out that under worst case conditions, the development would
cause Quaker Road to approach a failure situation and that there would be little
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* Site Plan No. 22-86, third paragraph. Com:ibents attributed to Mr. Macri should
be attributed to Mr. DeSantis. Mr. Macri excused himself from the discussion.
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reserve for future development until Quaker Road is widened.
Mr. Male of CT Male said that a traffic light was proposed to help mitigate
traffic problems and that normal case traffic would not be as bad.
Mr. Serlin moved that the project be issued a negative declaration for the
purposes of S.E.Q.R.A. Although the project could have a significant negative effect
on traffic, the applicant has proposed mitigating measures, in particular a traffic
light and access road. Further, negative impacts are based on a worst case scenario.
* A motion was made by Mr. Dybas to approve the project
Second by Mrs. Levandowski: Mr. Macri abstained,S Yes: Sorlin, Dybas, DeSantis,
Levandowski, Roberts.
RESOL VED THAT Site Plan 22-86 be approved as necessary information has been
provided. Mitigation measures shall be cutlined in Earltown's submission of September
12, 1986, including a traffic signal device. Further, 4 road cuts are approved as
part of the project. The applicant will initially construct 3 cuts and must apply
to the Planning Board before a 4th road cut is put in.
Approved.
SITE PLAN NO. 23-86
The applicant: Bruce Frulla of Library Avenue Extension, Warrensburg, New
York. The proposed use and location is to construct a duplex dwelling in a Suburban
Residential 30 Zone on the property situated at Corinth and Pitcher Roads, 200
feet west of VanDusen Road.
Mr. Frulla described his proposal to place a duplex on a slightly undersized
lot. He noted that he also required a variance from the Zoning Board.
Mr. Roberts and Mr. DeSantis both said they had no problem with this proposal.
Public Hearing Opened: no comment
Public Hearing Closed.
Mr. Roberts read the resolution by the Warren County Planning Board which
approved without comment.
A motion was made by Mr. Macri to approve the proposal.
Second by Mr. DeSantis, all voting affirmatively
RESOL VED THAT Site Plan No. 23-86 be approved subject to the approval of his
application for a Variance (number 1140) by the Zoning Board of Appeals; meeting
to be held September 17, 1986, as this is good use öf property.
Approved.
"--' * 3rd paragraph - Separate motions were made by Sarlin (Levandowski) and Dybas
(Levandowski) to issue a negative dec1aratiml9or S.E.Q.R. and approve the project,
respectively. Also, second sentence of resolution should read n m-'e lin d n
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Mr. Richard Roberts, Chairman stated that he was closing the meeting.
RESOLVED THAT the meeting adjourn.
MEE'I1NG ADJOURNED @ 11:00 P.M.
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Richard Roberts, Chairman
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