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QUEENSBURY '!'OWl PLADING BOARD
Regular Meeting: Monday, December 19, 1988 at 7: 30 p.m.
Present: Richard Roberts, Chairman
Joseph Dybas
Victor Macri
Hilda Mann, Secretary
Kenneth Jablonski
Paul Dusek, Counsel
Lee York, Senior Planner John Goralski, Planner
Quentin Kestner, Town Designated Consultant/Engineer
Mary Jane F. Moeller, Stenographer
Absent: Peter Cartier
Frank DeSantis
Mr. Roberts called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
OLD BUSINESS
SITE PLAN NO. 56-88
Green's Appliances
The request is to alter the interior creating three retail sales
offices at 682 Upper Glen Street, PC-IA. (Tax Map No. 102-1-10).
Mr. Roberts reviewed that previously this application was Tabled for
more information regarding the parking situation. Thomas Green rep-
resented the project and advised the Board that the Zoning Board of
Appeals granted him. a new parking design, by eliminating three spaces.
Mrs. York advised Mr. Green that his application was incomplete, be-
cause the Proposed Site Plan presented to the Board at this meeting is not
the one that was su1:m1tted by the deadline date for Board review prior to
the meeting. In addition she referred to a letter from Fire Marshal
Bodenweiser regarding the removal of all tanks from the premises (see
Staff Comments Exhibit A). This issue must be addressed when the appli-
cant reappears before the Board. Mr. Green said the two large tanks have
been removed; however, he does not know the disposition of the remaining
three tanks. He stated he had a difficult time communicating with people
about this issue, because he does not own the property and it is the
owner's problem.
Mr. Kestner affirmed that the two large tanks were removed satisfac-
torily; he does not know the status of the remaining tanks. Mr. Dusek
advised the Board that he had received a call from the owner's attorney.
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There was a question as to the location of the other tanks and who would
be responsible for them. In addition, Mr. Dusek said that the Town was
going to assist in the identification of the tanks and Fire Marshal
Bodenweiser would be involved in this process. Mr. Dusek stated he would
verify this with the owner's attorney on 12/20/88.
Mr. Roberts also reviewed a letter from Mr. Rudnick (on file), whose
main objection was to the trucks parking on the Foster Avenue (south) side
of the building, because it blocks the road to cars and fire trucks. The
problem is the proximity of the overhead door to the road, which is eight
to ten feet. Mr. Roberts reviewed suggestions that the Planning Board
made at a previous meeting.
1) Cars and trucks were to park laterally along the building on Foster
Avenue.
2. There will be railroad ties or some type of wall on the east side of
the property to protect the parking lot gravel from eroding and being
plowed into the stream.
3. There was to be a separation between the parking lot and Dunkin'
Donuts; a fence of some nature.
Mr. Roberts also requested that the above stipulations be noted on the
updated plan. Thomas Green agreed to the above stipulations.
Mr. Macri moved to TABLE Site Plan No. 56-88, Green's Appliances for
more information. This was in agreement with Thomas R. Green, Applicant.
Seconded by Mrs. Mann.
Passed Unanimously
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SITE PLAN NO. 48-88
Charles and Patricia Mouzalas
The application is for new siding on the first level and for a new
second level, three (3) bedrooms and one (1) full bath on Sunnyside North,
SR-30. Location: North on Bay Road, right on Sunnyside Road, left at bend
by McDermott's Motorcycles, Sunnyside North Road, approximately \ mile on
the left: Green Cottage. (Tax Map 50-1-83)
Mr. Roberts reviewed that this application was Tabled previously for
more information regarding the septic system, and that the Engineers have
been working on the application. Charles Mouzalas represented the project
and stated that code requires the system to be 200 feet back from the
lake. Because the required distance is not available, Mr. Mouzalas
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decided on a holding tank system with two alarms and an automatic shut-
down; the tank holds 2000 gallons and is manufactured by Gould, Model
WS1012B. When the tank reaches 1200 gallons, a yellow light will flash
on; when the tank reaches 2000 gallons, a red light will flash on and an
alarm will sound. In addition, the pumping system will automatically shut
down; there would be no more intake.
Mr. Kestner reviewed his letter and reconmended the holding tank with
an alarm and interlock (Exhibit B; Plan on file). He advised the Board
that there is no way that the small camps can meet the 1982 Sanitary
Codes, and the holding tank is an alternative. It is difficult to substan-
tiate what kind of a system can be put on the property, because of the
small lot size, setback requirements, soil types, etc.. The Board has an
opportunity to evaluate the individual disposal systems, in light of the
1982 rules. A holding tank does meet the standards and there is no need
for assumption that the system is adequate. Mr. Kestner expressed his sat-
isfaction to the holding tank design for this application, because it does
alert the owner to failure and that it does interlock, so appropriate
action can be taken.
Mr. Dybas stated his approval of the system and is aware of a system in
Lake George that is two years old and has been working very well. The
resident had the same problems as Mr. Mouzalas.
Public Hearing: still opened.
John Mason: represents owners with similar problems.
Mr. Mason stated his opinion that holding tanks are not an acceptable
alternative on Lake George, and that the Department of Enviromnental
Conservation has jurisdiction and will not approve them. Therefore, if
applications on Lake George require a holding tank, the homeowners would
not be able to install it. Certain towns have asked Bill Blass of ENCON
to approve holding tanks and he will not approve them. Mr. Mason has
discussed this point with David Hatin of the Zoning Department, and Mr.
Hatin is requesting information on some of the holding tank systems: how
they have been designed and what the design criteria are. He is trying to
put in a holding tank code in the Town of Queensbury, but Mr. Mason thinks
he will do it without ENCON.
Mr. Kestner agreed with the Planning Board that ENCON does not have
jurisdiction in the Town of Queensbury. The Board feels that applications
of this nature that come before the Planning Board will have to prove that
the septic systems are adequate; the Town wants to improve the septic
system situation on the lakes. Most people do not put great reliance on
dye tests.
There was discussion that the map presented by Mr. Mouzalas was not
subnitted to the Board members 21 days prior to this meeting and that the
the application be Tabled. However, Mrs. York advised the Board that this
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particular Site Plan was initially submitted under the old Ordinance and,
at that time, the information submitted would have been acceptable. Mr.
Kestner feels tW;it there is sufficient information on the drawings that
were submitted, and the applicant has returned with an acceptable sewerage
system.
Public Hearing Closed
The Planning Board reviewed PART II, Environmental Assessment, Sections
A - D, with no adverse environmental impact. Of note to C1 is that the
ground water situation has been addressed by the septic system. A Nega-
tive Declaration is attached to these minutes (Addendum A).
Mr. Macri moved APPROVAL of Site Plan No. 48-88, Charles and Patricia
Mouzalas. The applicant agrees to provide a septic system which has been
reviewed and approved by the Town Designated Consultant/Engineer. Specifi-
cations for the holding tank were submitted to the Planning Board at this
meeting.
Seconded by Mrs. Mann.
Passed Unan1.aously
SITE PLAN NO. 60-88
Margaret E. Bunke
The Proposed use is: one (1) bedroom and one (1) bath. Project descrip-
tion is: full cellar (16 ft. x 24 ft.); water intake to lake; new windows
and siding; studio/10ft, 8 ft. x 16 ft. on Rockhurst Road, Cleverdale,
WR-LA. Location: Route 9L to Cleverdale, Rockhurst turnoff, turn left at
the bottom of the hill. (Tax Map No. 15-1-8)
Mr. Roberts reviewed that this application previously had been Tabled,
for further information regarding the septic system. Richard Morse,
Richard Morse Engineering, represented the applicant per the request of
John Mason. Mr. Morse referred to his letter of 11/29/88 (Exhibit C)
regarding a septic inspection made on the proposed site. The procedure
used for the evaluation was to put a one-day effluent flow through the
tank, excavate the tank to open it, excavate the side of the leaching
device made up of a dry wall chamber, a dye was put into the septic tank,
and after 1/2 hour 150 gallons was run through the tank. The elevation of
the septic tank did not rise appreciably; this was watched for the next
six. hours. It was determined that the system was operating satisfactor-
ily. The leaching device presently is next to the road.
Mr. Morse informed the Board that the existing system is not built in
accordance with present Ordinances; it would not meet the current
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criteria, and it probably does not meet the Department of Health setback
codes.
Mr. Mason affirmed again that Mrs. Bunke will not use the house during
the winter season. He stated that the Site Plan Review is for a lowered
waterline; if the Board does not want the winterized use, then the Site
Plan Review should not be approved.
Mr. Roberts emphasized that, in these types of cases, the Board must
look at the potential use of the property, if it should be sold. By care-
ful review, Mrs. Mann stated that both the Town and Lake George are pro-
tected by insisting that the septic systems are brought up to code. Mr .
Mason I s opinion is that there is no holding tank code and that they are
not approvable in the Town of Queensbury. Mr. Macri disagreed with Mr.
Mason, because there is no statement confirming that fact in the Town of
Queensbury Sanitary Code or other reference material that Mr. Macri has
studied. Mrs. York affirmed that she has never heard that DEC has juris-
diction as far as the Town Ordinance is concerned and the Town Ordinance
is what is enforced.
Public Hearing Closed
Mr. Kestner reviewed his letter of 12/16/88 (Exhibit D), wherein he
felt that the present septic system could not be brought up to standard
and recommended the use of a holding tank.
Mr. Mason asked the Board to clarify their procedure regarding Site
Plan Review for Lake George sites and holding tank requirements. He noted
that none of the sites in Rockhurst can comply because the peninsulas are
too small. Mr. Roberts did not feel that a waterline or dock would trig-
ger a holding tank review. Some of the uses that would require septic up-
date are substantial remodelling of the facility, increased use, and poten-
tial use down the road.
Mr. Macri moved to TABLE Site Plan No. 60-88, Margaret E. Bunke, for
more information regarding the septic system. This was in agreement with
John Mason, Agent.
Seconded by Mrs. Mann.
Passed Unanimously
SITE PLAN NO. 61-88
Roger and Karen Howard
The proposed project is to remodel the existing four (4) bedroom, three
(3) bath house on Rockhurst Road, Cleverdale, WR-IA. Location: Route 9L
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to Cleverdale, Rockhurst turnoff, .4 mile towards the point from Seelye
Road turnoff. (Tax Map No 15-1-17).
Mr. Macri moved to TABLE Site Plan No. 61-88, Roger and Karen Howard,
for more information regarding the septic system. This was in agreement
with John Mason, Agent.
NEW BUSnmSS
SITE PLAH NO. 54-88
Steven and Susan Jackson Karp
The application is for the construction of two (2) additional apartment
buildings of four, two-bedroom apartments on the south side of Sherman
Avenue, SR-20. There are presently four (4) buildings with four (4) two-
bedroom apartments per building. The lot size is 17.551 acres. Location:
Approximately 4,000 feet east of Sherman Avenue/West Mt. Road
intersection. (Tax Map No. 121-1-22)
Note: Cross Reference: Subdivision No. 7-1988. Adirondack Plantations,
Preliminary Stage to be on the January 1989 Agenda.
Mr. Roberts reviewed that this project previously has been before the
Planning Board. Robert Stewart, Esq., represented the project and stated
that it is an amendment to an old Site Plan Review. Presently there is a
requirement for a subdivision dividing this site and property to the left;
however, the review for the subdivision will not take place at this meet-
ing, because a topographical map is required.
Essentially, the property was reviewed in 1985 for six, fourplex apart-
ment buildings. The proposal at that time was to build three sections in
a row and then three sections directly behind. When the builder placed
the last two buildings, they deviated from what the Planning Board had
approved. Mr. Stewart feels that the deviation improves the site because
the first parcel, which was approved at 4\ acres with 500 feet of road
frontage, is now 6.37 acres with 692 feet of road frontage. The same
buildings are now on a larger parcel than originally authorized.
The rear parcel, which the Board required to remain ever green, will
remain that way.
The Board expressed its surprise that the layout was very different
from the one that was originally approved.
Mr. Stewart stated the following requirements:
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Front yard setback: Ordinance: 30 feet
Buildings are 50 feet
Side Yard setback: Ordinance: 10 feet each, 30 feet total
Yards are 50 feet each, 100+ feet total
Rear Yard setback: Ordinance: 20 feet
Yards are 24 feet
Permeability: Ordinance 50%
Site: 94%
Building Height: Ordinance 40 feet
Actual buildings of 1\ stories, approx. 30 ft.
Nick Sciartelli, Morse Engineering, advised that an underground system
has been provided to percolate the ponds so the water does not run off
into the adjoining lands.
Mr. Kestner reviewed his letter of 12/16/88 and stated his approval
with listed recommendations (Exhibit E) . Basically, water will be pro-
vided by the Queensbury Water District, waste disposal is by four on-site
systems, storm water management plan has been provided. A suggestion is
for the addition of outdoor lighting from indicated parking to the units.
Mr. Goralski reviewed the Staff comments, which expressed concern about
the fact that the drainage plan indicates surface water runoff going
across the driveway. This could create a potentially dangerous icing
situation. Beautification Committee approved the application with the
change in the dumpster location and increased plantings.
Public Hearing: no comment
The Town Planning Board reviewed Part II Environmental Assessment, Sec-
tions A - D, with no negative impact.
The Town Planning Board also reviewed the Negative Declaration (see
Addendum B).
Mrs. Mann moved APPROVAL of Site Plan No. 54-88, Steven and Susan
Jackson Karp, with the recommendation that the suggestions made by Quentin
Kestner, Town Designated Consultant/Engineer, be included in the final
project. The Town Planning Board has referred to and reviewed Article
5.070, Sections A-E.
Seconded by Mr. Dybas.
Passed UDanimously
SUBDIVISION 6-1988 PRELIMINARY STAGE
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Grahl Subdivision
The application is for the subdivision of 38.5 acres into two lots on
the west side of Bay Road opposite Adirondack Community College, MR-5.
Edward Grahl intends to convey the northerly 20 acres.
John Caffrey, Esq. reprefJented the applicant. Part of the 38.5 acres
contains the Canterbury caaplex of 36 units. The two lots would be di v-
ided as follows: the northerly section is 20 acres which would be sold;
the southerly 18.5 acres will contain the prior, existing development.
The lots have 402 and 300 feet respectively of road frontage and both lots
are over the minimum lot size and have more than ample road frontage. The
applicant has subnitted both the long and short form EAF. There are no
roads being built.
Mr. Caffrey stated that, because of the simplicity of the application,
Staff approved waiving of the Sketch Plan application and going directly
to the Preliminary Plat application. Mr. Caffrey requested that the Pre-
liminary Plan and SEQR determination be acted on at this meeting. He also
requested that the Board consider the Final Plat approval as well, at this
meeting, as there would probably be no change in the plans.
Mrs. York reminded Mr. Caffrey that the Ordinance states that Prelimin-
ary Approval is the first step of a two-step process. Although the Board
can waive any requirements, it must document exactly the reasoning and why
the relief.
John Goralski reviewed the Staff comments. Although there is no con-
struction, it is significant to note that the only access to the parcel is
across across Old Maids Brook at Bay Road. The habitat map characterizes
it as a wetland area and the water resources map indicates that the area
is prone to flooding. David Hatin, Director of Building and Code Enforce-
ment, stated in a letter that there are considerable drainage and sewerage
problems within the units, and he recommends that no Final Approval be
given until such times as Units 1 to 36 are resolved (Exhibit F).
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Mrs. Mann asked why the developed units have not been shut down, be-
cause of the severe sewerage situation during the last few months.
Several occupants have had to relocate, due to sewerage leaking into the
basements. Mr. Caffrey advised that Mr. Grahl has hired C. T. Male to
work on the problem; the completion has been held up by construction-
related problems. Mr. Caffrey does not feel that this has anything to do
with the 18.5 acre subdivision. He also feels that the problems with the
brook will have to be taken care of with the purchaser of the adjoining
land; it should not be addressed at this point in time.
Regarding the existing buildings, Mrs. Mann was displeased with the
fact the the last couple of buildings were approved very recently by the
Planning Board, and she assumed that before the septic systems were put in
they were inspected by the Town of Queensbury, and engineers of the Town
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and the developer.
approved the system.
She requested to know why the systems failed and who
Mr. Macri questioned if the 18.5 acres could handle a developnent and
what the ground water is like; there has not been enough information sub-
mitted. It is not known if the problem is the design of the system or a
construction problem.
Mr. Kestner said he looked at the application solely as a separation of
land and not with facilities; therefore, he had no problem.
Mr. Caffrey stated that C. T. Male has designed a solution to the exist-
ing problem, but it is a matter of getting the contractors to finish the
work. The work is underway and it is being done.
Mrs. Mann again expressed concern about the fact that the 20 acres to
be sold will be landlocked, without an entrance over Old Maids Brook. A
DEe stream-crossing permit would be necessary. She requested that an
engineer look at the SEQR area to see whether or not the stream crossing
is a feasible entrance. Mr. Goralski suggested an option is to move the
line south on Bay Road, which may be less environmentally critical.
Mr. Caffrey advised the Board that the buyer does own some property off
Blind Rock Road.
Mr. Roberts stated his reservations about the project as to whether the
property is landlocked and whether there is enough land for a septic
system. Consideration is to be made in that there is contiguous owner-
ship.
Mrs. Mann requested the following:
1. that the Town Engineer take a close look at the stream;
2. information fran the Town Engineer as to why the septic system failed;
3. determine if there is enough land to support the cOJllplexes in the area
presently.
Mr. Roberts questioned if the land is developable; he is thinking in
terms not only of the adjacent land, but the land that is presently built
upon. Mr. Dybas expressed his thoughts that he is not comfortable with
the project until the sewerage system problem has been finalized.
Mr. Kestner volunteered to talk to David Hatin and find out the status
of the project regarding a) who reviewed the site the last time and why it
was approved; and b) the name of the engineer; and c) who inspected the
system before it was covered and what day it was.
In order to satisfy the Planning Board, there must be proof by the
engineer that construction could be accanplished with minimal obstruction
of the environment in the area, and the Grade AA stream must be mitigated
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in advance. A suggestion has to be made as to the method of access into
the parcel. The design is to be put on a plat, so that when the subdivi-
sion is approved the plat is signed with those criteria. The method of
crossing the stream should be within D.E.C. approval. There has to be
some feasibility study across the area.
Mrs. Mann moved to TABLE Subdivision No. 6-1988, PRELIMINARY STAGE,
Grahl Subdivision, for further information. There will be no Preliminary
Approval until SEQR has been satisfied. This is in agreement with John
Caffrey, Esq.
Seconded by Mr. Macri.
Passed UDaDiaous1y
SITE PLAN NO. 67-88
John P. Matthews
The application is for the construction of an outside display area,
fenced storage and storage buildings at 300 Bay Road, corner of Bay Road
and G1eDWOOd Avenue, HC-lS. Lot acreage is 1.76 acres; the total site
area is 74,930 sq. ft. (Tax Map no. 61-1-34).
John Matthew represented the project, who explained that he was before
the Board a few months ago for the subject property. At the time, he did
not realize that another Site Plan Review was necessary for the display
area for the stones which he sells. Upon talking to the engineer, it was
discovered that his drawing was incaap1ete insofar as drainage was con-
cerned. Mr. Matthew said he will secure a professional and caap1ete the
Site Plan the way it should be done. However, at this meeting he re-
quested that his plan be reviewed by the Board in a Conceptual manner and
determined if the idea is feasible.
Mrs. York advised the Board that the Engineer would like more drainage
calculations on the plan. Even though the application was incomplete, she
also advised Mr. Matthews to present his plan at this meeting, determine
if there was public controversy, and then Table the matter for further
information.
Note: The remainder of the presentation was conducted at the dais.
Exhibit G is a review of Mr. Kestner's camaents.
Mrs. Mann moved to TABLE Site Plan No. 67-88, John P. Matthews, for
more information. The applicant is to provide more detailed information
with respect to contours and other site information.
Seconded by HI'. Macri.
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Chairman Roberts adjourned the meeting at 9:55 p.m.
Richard Roberts, Chairman
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Mary F. Moeller, Stenographer
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SECTION 5.070 REQUIREMENTS FOR TYPE I AND TYPE II SITE PLAN REVIEW
In order to approve any Type I and Type II Site Plan Review use, the
Planning Board shall find that:
A. The use complied with all other requirements of this Ordinance,
including the dimensional regulations of the zoning district in which
it is proposed to be located; and
B. The use would be in harmony with the general purpose of intent of this
Ordinance, specifically taking into account the location, character,
and size of the proposed use and the description and purpose of the
district in which such use is proposed, the nature and intensity of the
activities to be involved in or conducted in connection with the
proposed use, and the nature and rate of any increase in the burden on
supporting public services and facilities which will follow the
approval of the proposed use; and
C. The establishment, maintenance or operation of the proposed use would
not create public hazards from traffic, traffic congestion, or the
parking of automobiles or be otherwise detrimental to the health,
safety or general welfare of persons residing or working in the
neighborhood of such proposed use, or be detrimental or injurious to
the property and improvements in the neighborhood or to the general
welfare of the Town; and
D) The project would not have an undue adverse impact upon the natural,
scenic, aesthetic, ecological, wildlife, historic, recreational or open
space resources of the Town or the Adirondack Park or upon the ability
of the public to provide supporting facilities and services made
necessary by the project, taking into account the caomercial,
industrial, residential, recreational or other benefits that might be
derived from the project. In making this determination, the Planning
Board shall consider those factors pertinent to the project contained
in the developnent considerations set forth herein and in so doing, the
Planning Board shall make a net overall evaluation of the project in
relation to the development objectives and general guidelines set forth
in Section 6.040 of this Article.
E. The Planning Board review of the Site Plan shall include, as
appropriate, but not limited to the following general standards:
1. Location arrangement, size, design and general site
compatibility of buildings, lighting and signs.
2. Adequacy and arrangement of vehicular traffic access and circulation,
including intersections, road widths, pavement surfaces, dividers and
traffic controls.
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SECTION 5.070 REQUIREMENTS FOR TYPE I AND TYPE II SITE PLAN REVIEW
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3. Location, arrangement, appearance and sufficiency of off-street parking
and loading.
4. Adequacy and arrangement of pedestrian traffic access and circulation,
walkway structures, control of intersections with vehicular traffic and
overall pedestrian convenience.
5. Adequacy of storm water drainage facilities.
6. Adequacy of water supply and sewage disposal facilities.
7. Adequacy, type and arrangement of trees, shrubs and other suitable
plantings landscaping and screening constituting a visual and/or noise
buffer between the applicants and adjoining lands including the maximum
retention of existing vegetation and maintenance including replacement
of dead or deceased plants.
8. Adequacy of fire lanes and other emergency zones and the provision of
fire hydrants.
9. Adequacy and impact of structures, roadways and landscaping in areas
with susceptibility to ponding, flooding and/or erosion.
Rev.: 8/16/88
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RESOLUTION WHEN DETERKIHATIOR OF NO SIGNIFICANT IS HADE
Resolution No. 48-88
December 19 ,1988
Introduced by: Victor Macri
Who Moved Its Adoption
Seconded by: Hilde Mann
WHEREAS, there is presently before the planning Board an application
for: Site Plan 48-88 approval for additions to Charles and Patricia
Mouzalas' residence at Sunnyside North, and
WHEREAS, this Planning Board has determined that the proposed project
and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environ-
mental Quality Review Act,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED:
1. No federal agency appears to be involved.
2. No other agencies appear to be involved.
3. The proposed action considered by this Board is unlisted in the
Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing
the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of
the Town of Queensbury
4. An Environmental Assessment Form has been completed by the appli-
cant.
5. Having considered and thoroughly analyzed the relevant areas of
environmental concern and having considered the criteria for deter-
mining whether a project has a significant environmental impact as
the same is set forth in Section 617.11 of the Official Compilation
of Codes, Rules and Regulations for the State of New York, this
Board finds that the action about to be undertaken by this Board
will have no significant environmental effect and the Chairman of
the Planning Board is hereby authorized to execute and sign and file
as may be necessary a statement of non-significance or a negative
declaration that may be required by law.
Duly adopted this 19th day of December
vote:
, 1988, by the following
AYES 5
NOES 0
ABSENT 2
ADDENDUM A
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RESOLUTIOR WBBØ DETElUIDù\TIOI OF NO SIGNIFICANT IS HADE
Resolution No. 54-88
December 19
, 1988
Introduced by: Hilda Mann
Who Moved Its Adoption
Seconded by: Joseph ~bas
WHEREAS, there is presently before the planning Board an application
for: Site Plan No. 54-88, Steven and Susan Karp, for the construction of
two additional apartment buildings, and
WHEREAS, this Planning Board has determined that the proposed project
and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environ-
mental Quality Review Act,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED:
1. No federal agency appears to be involved.
2. Other agency is Department of Environmental Conservation for the
SPDES permit.
3. The proposed action considered by this Board is unlisted in the
Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing
the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of·
the Town of Queensbury.
4. An Environmental Assessment Form has been caapleted by the appli-
cant.
5. Having considered and thoroughly analyzed the relevant areas of
environmental concern and having considered the criteria for deter-
mining whether a project has a significant environmental impact as
the same is set forth in Section 617.11 of the Official Compilation
of Codes, Rules and Regulations for the State of New York, this
Board finds that the action about to be undertaken by this Board
will have no significant environmental effect and the Chairman of
the Planning Board is hereby authorized to execute and sign and
file as may be necessary a statement of non-significance or a
negative declaration that may be required by law.
Duly adopted this 19th day of December
vote:
, 1988, by the following
AYES 5
NOES 0
ABSENT 2
ADDENDUM B
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Planning and Zoning Department
LEE YORK
, Senior Town Planner
Dec. 9, 1988
Application Number:
Site Plan Review No. 56-88
Applicant/Project Name:
Green's Appliances
Mr. Green's proiect has received the variances necessary to brinR' it into
compliance with Town regulations. This application is before the Planning Board
as a change in commercial use of a property. A concern has been the loading area
aQjacent to the Fire Company's driveway and possible blocking of such. Brian LaFlure,
the Fire Company Chief has submitted a letter which addresses this concern. Some
of the tanks on the property have been removed which was a condition for Board
approval. Fire Marshall Bodenweiser has submitted a letter which states that this
has not been taken care of (letter attached).
The applicant should provide for separation between his parking lot and that
of Dunkin Donuts. Pressure treated lumber planters or a fence alonR the property
line have been sugl2ested. An earlier concern of Mr. DeSantis was further protection
of the stream from parkine: lot runoff. This should also be addressed.
The proposed use of the property is in accordance with the zoning of the area
and the neighborhood character.
BAY AT HAVILAND ROAD
QUEENSBURY, NEW YORK, 12801
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KESTNER ENGINEERS, P. c.
CONSULTING ENGI'NEERS
JOSEPH A. KESTNER. JR.. P.E., L.S.
MARK l. KESTNER. P.E.
QUENTIN T. KESTNER. P.E.
ANTHONY M. KESTNER. B.S.
ONE KESTNER LANE
TROY, NEW YORK 12180
518-273-7446
FAX: 518-273-7583
JAMES J. SHAUGHNESSY. P.E.
JEROME THORNE. S.E.T.
December 15, 1988
Ms. Lee York
senior Planner
Town of Queensbury
Queensbury Town Office Building
Bay at Haviland Road
Queensbury, NY 12804
RE: Town of Queensbury Site Plan No. 48-88 - Mouzalas
Dear Ms. York:
On Wednesday, December 14, 1988; I received a letter from
Consultant Ray Buckley along with a drawing dated December 9,
1988, copies enclosed.
This plan indicates that the Mouzalas's will install a 2,000
gallon holding tank with an alarm and interlock connected to
the water-supply pump.
These facilities are allowed by Table II, Appendix B, of the
Town's Sanitary Sewage Disposal Ordinance.
Accordingly, I would recommend approval of the site plan as
the wastewater disposal system was the last remaining
technical issue on the application.
Sincerely,
KESTNER ENGINEERS, P.C.~
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Vice President
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MUNICIPAL ENGINEERING
WATER, SEWAGE, AND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT
FEDERAL/STATE GRANT APPlICA TrONS
PRECISION SURVEYING AND GROUND CONTROL TELEVISION PIPELINE INSPECTION, METERING & SAMPlIi':G
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Re: Chas. Mouzalas Residence - North Sunnyside Road
Queensbury, New York
Dear Quentin:
The site plan 'review of the above referenced project was
tabled by the Queensbury Planning Board several months ago. The
owner was told he could not renovate the residence unless he
submitted plans for a holding tank system to replace his existing
non-conforming sewage system. I expect Mr. Mouzalas to appear at
the next Planning Board meeting with the enclosed plan. I am
sending this copy for your review since you will probably be
asked for an opinion at that time.
Buckley, 6.
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KESTNER ENGINEERS, P. C.
CONSULTING ENGINEERS
JOSEPH A. KESTNER, JR., P.E., L.S.
MARK L. KESTNER. P.E.
QUENTIN T. KESTNER. P.E.
ANTHONY M. KESTNER. B.S.
ONE KESTNER LANE
TROY, NEW YORK 12180
518-273-7446
FAX: 518-273-7583
JAMES J. SHAUGHNESSY, P.E.
JEROME THORNE, S.E.T.
December 16, 1988
Ms. Lee York
Senior Planner
Town of Queensbury
Queensbury Town Office Building
Bay at Haviland Road
Queensbury, NY 12804
RE: Town of Queensbury Site Plan No. 6Ó-88 -
Bunke - Cleverdale
Dear Ms. York:
I have reviewed the subject site plan and would comment as
follows:
I see no way, based on the information in the application
<provided, that the existing sewage disposal system can be
brought up to standards as found in the 1982 Sanitary
Sewage Disposal Ordinance. If one considers the
requirement for 150' of horizontal separation between
Lake George and a seepage pit, the lot being only 80'
deep cannot accommodate the system.
I would suggest that the application be tabled and that the
applicant propose the use of a holding tank. Appendix B,
Table II, suggests the use of holding tanks in situations such
as this.
The larger question here is whether or not the Board wishes to
use the Planning Board Approval process as a method to enforce
the Sanitary Sewage Disposal Ordinance for existing sites that
do not represent a change or expansion of existing use.
Sincerely,
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Quentin T. Kestner, P.E.
Vice President
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cc: Town Planning Board
MUNICIPAL ENGINEERING
WATER, SEWAGE, AND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT
FEDERAL/STATE GRANT APPLICATIONS
PRECISION SURVEYING AND GROUND CONTROL TELEVISION PIPELINE INSPECTION, METERING & SAMPLING
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND QUALITY ASSURANCE
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ESTABLISHED IN 1955
KESTNER ENGINEERS, P. c.
CONSULTING ENGINEERS
JOSEPH A. KESTNER, JR.. P.E., L.S.
MARK L. KESTNER, P.E.
QUENTIN T. KESTNER, P.E.
ANTHONY M. KESTNER, B.S.
ONE KESTNER LANE
TROY, NEW YORK 12180
518-273-7446
FAX: 518-273-7583
JAMES J. SHAUGHNESSY. P.E.
JEROME THORNE. S.E.T.
December 16, 1988
Ms. Lee York
Senior Planner
Town of Queensbury
Queensbury Town Office Building
Bay at Haviland Road
Queensbury, NY 12804
RE: Town of Queensbury Site Plan No. 54-88 - Karp -
Sherman Avenue
Dear Ms. York:
I have reviewed the subject site plan and would comment as
follows:
1. Water will be provided by the Queensbury Water
District with a 6" <line into the site along the
asphalt driveway derived from the 12" main located
on Sherman Avenue.
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2. Waste disposal is by four on-site systems sized in
accordance with Town Standards. Percolation tests
for the site were provided and calculations shown on
the drawings.
A storm-water management plan is provided along with
calculations. The percolation facility located east
of the structures is sized in accordance with
accepted practice. I would suggest a culvert under
the driveway to assist in moving drainage from the
west in reaching the percolation facilities along
the path of the indicated swale.
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4. Some provisions for outdoor lighting should be added
to assist in moving occupants from indicated parking
to the units.
MUNICIPAL ENGINEERING
WATER. SEWAGE. AND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT
FEDERAL/STATE GRANT APPlICA TrONS
PRECISION SURVEYING AND GROUND CONTROL TELEVISION PIPELINE INSPECTION, METERING & SAMPLING
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND QUALITY ASSURANCE
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with the above considered, I would recommend approval of the
site plan.
Sincerely,
KESTNER ENGINEERS, P. c.
Quentin T. Kestner, P.E.
Vice President
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ESTABLISHED IN 1955
KESTNER ENGINEERS, P. c.
CONSULTING ENGINEERS
JOSEPH A. KESTNER, JR.. P.E., L.S.
MARK L. KESTNER. P.E.
QUENTIN T. KESTNER. P.E.
ANTHONY M. KESTNER, B.S.
ONE KESTNER LANE
TROY. NEW YORK 12180
518-273-7446
FAX: 518-273-7583
./AMES J. SHAUGHNESSY, P.E.
JEROME THORNE, S.E.T.
December 15, 1988
Ms. Lee York
Senior Planner
Town of Queensbury
Queensbury Town Office Building
Bay at Haviland Road
Queensbury, NY 12804
RE: Town of Queensbury Site Plan No. 67-88 - Matthews -
Bay Road
Dear Ms. York:
I have reviewed the subj ect site plan and would comment as
follows:
1. Existing water service is from the facilities of
the Queensbury Water District. No information on
expanded maximum daily water usage is provided.
2. No location of existing or proposed outdoor lighting
facilities is shown.
No stormwater management plan is
existing or proposed contours are
drainage calculations are included.
4. Apparent traffic-flow pattern onto the County Road,
Glenwood Avenue, would seem to be non-conforming to
section 7.071 D requiring 150' separation between
access points.
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shown; and
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5. I would suggest that the nature of the proposed
storage area be indicated.
MUNICIPAL ENGINEERING
WATER. SEWAGE, AND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT
FEDERAL/STATE GRANT APPLICATIONS
PRECISION SURVEYING AND GROUND CONTROL TELEVISION PIPELINE INSPECTION, METERING & SAMPLING
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FROM:
DICK ROBERTS, CHAIRMAN AND
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
DAVID HATlN. DIRECTOR OF BLDG &. CODE ENFORCEMENT
TO:
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please be advised tMt at the present time Mr. Grahl has not fulfilled aU of his
obligations to my department in relationship to sewage problems of canterbury Woods
units 29-36. There is alsO a request from my department to Investigate Units !-20 and
21-28 for possible sewage and drainage problems which bas not been addressed by Mr.
Grahl at the present time.
I therefore request no final approvaJs be given until such time yOU receive a letter
from me stating all sewage and drainage prob!ems with Canterbury Woods Units !-36
are resolved.
EDW ARD GRAHL SUBDIVISION
Thank yOU for your anticipated cooperation i~'. .
David Hat~
Director
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