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QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
FIRST REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 20th, 1990
INDEX
Petition for a Change
of Zone P2-90
*New Name Added
Robert and Shirley Sanders
*Diane Carpenter
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Site Plan No. 85-89
Anne Parrott
4
Site Plan No. 3-90
John Doty d/b/a U-Rent All
5
Site Plan No. 77-89
Scot t McLaughlin
6
Subdivision No. 22-1989
Preliminary Stage
Shultz Subdivision
Arzelia H. Shultz
7
Site Plan No. 9-90
Christopher C. and Lori L. Carte
8
Site Plan No. 10-90
Frank W. and Kathleen V. England
13
Site Plan No. 11-90
Karolyn W. Smith
18
THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF
REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES (IF ANY) AND
WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES.
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QUEENSBURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING
FIRST REGULAR MEETING
FEBRUARY 20TH, 1990
7:27 PH
MEMBERS PRESENT
RICHARD ROBERTS, CHAIRMAN
CAROL PULVER, SECRETARY
JAMES HAGAN
PETER CARTIER
MEMBERS ABSENT
NICHOLAS CAIMANO
JOSEPH DYBAS
TOWN ENGINEER-WAYNE GANNETT
DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY-KARLA CORPUS
LEE YORK, SENIOR PLANNER
CORRECTION OF MINUTES
D&camber 26th, 1989: Page 11, fourth lin& from the bottom of th& pag&, thay r&nt
out more boat s/b docks not stock; Pag& 13, undar motion to d&ny sit& plan 84-89,
wh&r& it says Mr. Kenyon in a few places s/b Mr. Dusak; Pag& 20, middl& of paga,
wher& Mr. Rob&rts was speaking about problems up around th& sib curv&, not curb;
Paga 23, Mr. Cartiar's sacond commant from tha bottom, tha and s/b maam, not mama;
Paga 28, Mr. Cartier's commant at tha vary top, tha last lina, sIb King Sarvicas,
not human sarvices; Paga 31, whar& Mr. Robarts is speaking, a third of th& way
down, whare it says 11m too sura, s/b I'm not too sure whera alsa that could go;
Pag& 33 & 34, SEQRA was dona bafore Site Plan, the minutas do not raf1ect this
and should.
STAND AS AMENDED
January 16th, 1990: Page 7, just below middla of page, whara Mr. Sanders stated
"north of ma", s/b aast; Paga 6, two lines abova recommendation to dany patition
for chang a of zona, Mr. Cartier's comment, second lina, sib sight lina, not sida
line; Paga 8, Mr. Cartiarls second commant from the bottom, last lina, tha word
position sib pat it ion; Page 16, Mr. Cartiar's sacond commant down, sib particularly
good situation, not a particularly building good situation; Paga 15, from tha
bottom first, rafarring to Mr. Doty, sib bacaus& it was a preaxisting condition;
Page 17, under motion to tabla sita plan 3-90, s/b vegetative buffars, not
vagetativa scraening buffars, and tha last word on tha sama lina, s/b straam,
not scraen; Paga 21, bottom of paga, very last column, third or fourth santanca
from the bottom of the paga, referring to right-of-way, sib poorly maintainad,
not heavily; Paga 23, middl& of tha page, taka out s/b housa, not main house,
a coupla of paragraphs down, whara Mr. Lawin was spaaking, s/b laased back to
tha ownar, not linkad back to tha ownar; Page 24, first larga paragraph, whara
Mr. Lawin is spaaking, the very bottom lin&, sib ovar tha garaga, not undar tha
garage
STAND AS AMENDED
January 23rd, 1990: Paga 3, bottom of paga, refarance to Brian Faar, Mr. Faar
is tha haad of tha local New York Stata Dapartmant of Haalth; Paga 5, Mr. Carti&r's
third commant from tha top, first lina, refarring to naturally staap, thay ara
at, s/b a normal angla of raposa, not abnormal angla raposa; Paga 6, Mr. Manz's
sacond commant, refêrring to a ranagada 50 parcant, s/b raquired 50 parcant; Paga
35, Mr. Davias last long commant, third lina down, s/b watar lina, not bordar
lina
STAND AS AMENDED
OLD BUSINESS:
PETITION FOR A CHANGE OF ZONE P2-90 *NEW NAME ADDED ROBERT AND SHIRLEY SANDERS
AND *DIANE CARPENTER NORTH SIDE OF SANDERS ROAD EAST SIDE OF VANDUSEN ROAD TAX
MAP NO. 126-1-71.1 CURRENT ZONING: SR-1A PROPOSED ZONING: LI-lA LOT SIZE:
2.33 ACRES
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MRS. SHIRLEY SANDERS PRESENT
STAFF INPUT
Notas from Laa A. York, Sanior Plannar (attachad)
MRS. YORK-Statad basically, tha Board, whan Mrs. Sandars was hara, askad if sha
would talk to soma of har naighbors. Wall sha did. This is a map I had drawn
of tha axisting patition. If you can sea this rad lina hara. This is tha original
patition that cama in ragarding this zona along Corinth Road, tha raquast for
razoning. Tha graan ara rasidantial propartias. Tha pink ara commarcial. The
blua ara industrial and tha white ara vacant. This is Mrs. Sandars' hara, on
tha cornar of VanDusan and Sandars, and this is Mrs. Carpantar' s hara with tha
salvaga yard. Thay would lika tha lina to coma up and follow the NiMo... and
than...that zona and that's thara, I baliava, what thay'ra looking for.
MR. CARTIER-Askad, with tha addition of thasa two naw itams,
Mrs. Carpantar, that patition would now ancompass all of
industrial property in the araa that wa'ra talking about?
Mrs. Sandars and
tha commarcial or
MR. ROBERTS-Statad no.
MRS. YORK-Statad what wa did on this map is, wa want out and did soma field studias
of what was going on in this naighborhood. Unfortunately, it doasn' t match up
with what tha assassmant racords say is going on in thesa naighborhoods. So wa
want with tha assassmant racord. Thara may ba soma othar light industrial
propartias hara, but thay'ra not dasignatad as such on our assassmant racords.
MR. ROBERTS-Askad would wa hava to go by that. I maan, ayaballing it, thara ara
obviously two fairly larga trucking oparations over thara. Thara' s quita a lot
of commarcialism up on VanDusan Road.
MRS. YORK-Statad thay ara not praparad to join this patition. That's tha problam.
Tha Town Board has tha opportunity to razona any proparty thay so choosa, but
this Board can only maka a racommandation and so it's kind of a quandary.
MR. CARTIER-Askad, but thasa paopla hava baan notifiad in this araa, hava they
not?
MRS. YORK-Statad they sura have. I maan, this patition, thasa paopla hava baen
working on this and for a long tima on this and it's bean highly advartisad and
baan allover tha nawspapars for soma tima. I think anybody in tha araa who wantad
to gat involvad in this would hava mada thair prasanca known.
MR. CARTIER-Askad, did tha Town Board find any kind of daadlina notification,
bacausa it saams lika this thing is gatting draggad down as paopla...
MRS. YORK-Statad I agraa with you, but that's up to tha Town Board. Right now
thay'ra considaring a limitad moratorium in that araa.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad you had a commant yould lika to maka. Had you talkad to soma
of thesa people?
MRS. SANDERS-Stated tha original Robart Clark property, tha original patition
land for that as a usad car lot, that's... .ownad, want in, with tha Fisher's.
They hava usad cars. They run a garaga thara and I don't know what happanad to
...but, Bobby Clark's had cars thara for a long tima, usad cars, and Morris Combs,
bafore petition, ha's bean there, maybe, 25 yaars with his tractor and trailers.
MR. ROBERTS-Askad, hava you talkad to thosa paopla?
MRS. SANDERS-Statad no, I hadn't talkad with them. My husband said, wa'va lived
on tha proparty sinca 1908, his family has, in fact, almost all that proparty
that Michaal Baird promisad to have razoned on tha...along my proparty line.
I maan, that's all ona piece of property and this, that wa're on now, is the and
of it. Right thera.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad I'm just wondaring if whathar thasa paopla that obviously ara
...this is a commarcial operation, ara awara of what is going on.
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MRS.
York
lin~
SANDERS-Stat~d th~y must know what I s going on.
and I talk~d and sh~ sugg~st~d that w~ put a 50
b~tw~~n Hazl~y's prop~rty and ours.
I talkad to Dian~ and L~~
foot buff~r along our north
MR. ROBERTS-Statad thank you vary much.
MRS. SANDERS-Stat~d anothar thing, on this moratorium, you don't know anything
about what th~ Town is going to do?
MRS. YORK-Stat~d it's my undarstanding at this point that consid~ration is baing
giv~n to limiting soma of tha usas within this particular light industrial zon~.
MRS. SANDERS-Stat~d that's what I was going
as a junkyard. The cars ar~ put in th~ra.
th~ cars, tak~s tham down to th~ laft and
th~ parts, brings th~ cars back up and th~y
yard.
to say. Dian~, th~y do not run that
H~ com~s up and tak~s tha parts for
somawhar~, tak~s th~ parts off, us~s
just stand thare. It's like a storage
MRS. YORK-Stated this is really a Town Board issu~ and, if you' re inter~sted,
you should g~t in touch with them.
MRS. SANDERS-Stated next week they're going to have a moratorium for six months,
they said.
MRS. YORK-Stat~d mayb~ you should come and addr~ss that issue there.
MR. CARTIER-Stated und~rstand that's a limited moratorium.
MRS. SANDERS-Stated yes, they said six months or less.
MR. CARTIER-Stated not only limited in terms of time, but limited in term of the
itams they're dealing with.
MRS. SANDERS-Stated yes.
MR. CARTIER-Stated the moratorium does not apply in all cas~s, to that zona.
They're just trying to sort some things out in that zone.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad they're trying to aliminate some of the more obnoxious usas.
MRS. SANDERS-Stated that's why I said, Diane, thair yard isn't run like the other
ones are run. Ther~' s nobody out th~re. All winter ther~ hasn' t b~en anyone
out th~ra.
MR. CARTIER-Stat~d what youlra describing is what th~ Town Board needs to hear.
MRS. SANDERS-Stated yes. Ok, thank you.
MRS. YORK-Stated, If I may, I would like to also indicate that the lot size: of
Mrs. Saunders lot is 2.33 acres. It was typ~d incorrectly on the agenda.
MRS. SANDERS-Stat~d and Diane's is 5 acres.
MR. ROBERTS-Asked, then this 3.33 is 5?
MRS. SANDERS-Stated no, mine is 2.3 and hers is 5 acres, Diane Carpenters is 5
acres.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated this whole application is talking about Diane Carpent~r so
it's list~d h~re as 3.33 and in fact it's 5.
MRS. SANDERS-Stat~d y~s.
MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d it do~s s~~m lik~ w~' re dealing with this pi~c~meal, but I
guess certainly we r~commended, I think, ours~lves, at the last meeting that this
happ~ned and it happen~d..I can't...anything but pleased with it. You may want
to continue to go further and suggest that the Town Board look even farther to
the north and that has to be there.
MRS. SANDERS-Stated I'll hav~ to go to a Town Board meeting.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated it would probably ba best if you did.
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MRS. SANDERS-Askad, my application will go bafora tham?
MR. ROBERTS-Statad yas.
MR. CARTIER-Statad what is happaning haar is that this Planning Board is making
a racommandation to tha Town Board and tha Town Board is tha lagal antity that
can daal with a chang a in zona.
MRS. SANDERS-Statad I know that.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad I think wa'ra raady for a motion on this.
MR. CARTIER-Askad, has our racommandation on tha Sandars' proparty alraady gona
to tha Town Board?
MRS. YORK-Statad no. This is partaining to both propartias.
MOTION FOR PETITION FOR A CHANGE OF ZONE P2-90 ROBERT AND SHIRLEY SANDERS AND
DIANE CARPENTER, Introducad by Patar Cartiar who movad for its adoption, sacondad
by Carol Pulvar:
I mova that this Board racommand to tha Town Board that Patition for a Changa
of Zona, known as P2-90, ba incorporatad into an original Patition for a Changa
of Zona, known as P9-89, and that this naw patition includa tha proparty of Robart
and Shirlay Sandars and tha additional proparty known as Diana Carpantar.
Duly adoptad this 20th day of Fabruary, 1990, by tha following vota:
AYES: Mr. Hagan, Mr. Cartiar, Mrs. Pulvar, Mr. Robarts
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Dybas, Mr. Caimano
SITE PLAN NO. 85-89 TYPE II WR-1A ANNE PARROTT TURN ONTO BIG BAY ROAD, GO
2.2 MILES, TURN LEFT ONTO DIRT ROAD, BEAR RIGHT AT THE SECOND TURN, GO 50 FT.
AND THE PROPERTY IS THE BLUE CAMP IN FRONT TO REMOVE THE SEASONAL DWELLING AND
CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN BASICALLY THE SAME LOCATION. WILL NOT
ENCROACH ON ANY OTHER SETBACKS. WILL NOT INCREASE THE NONCOlD'ORHITY. (WARREN
COUNTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 144-1-36 & 37 LOT SIZE: .25 ACRES SECTION 9.010
MS. CORPUS-Askad, did you pass a rasolution to tabla Anna Parrott's application?
MR. ROBERTS-Statad no, so wa naad to do that? I thought sha would do that, so
wa hava to agraa with tha tabling.
MS. CORPUS-Statad right.
MRS. YORK-Statad tha Board, only, can tabla.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad I guass wa naad a motion to tabla sita plan 85-89. Wall, mayba
wa should hava Laa axplain why sha's suggasting it.
MRS. YORK-Statad ok, tha Planning Dapartmant racaivad a lattar today from Anna
Parrott, to tha Planning Dapartmant saying: Dear Sir, Would you plaasa tabla
my sita plan raviaw until your March Planning Board maating? At that tima I hopa
to hava takan my requast for a saptic varianca to tha Town Board. Thank you again
for your continuad assistanca and undarstanding in this mattar. Stat ad It's my
undarstanding Anna Parrott is going to ba attampting to put a, as closa to lagal,
saptic systam on tha proparty as sha can gat.
MR. CARTIER-Askad, a naw ona?
MRS. YORK-Statad yas, a naw ona and sha naads a varianca from tha satback
raquiramants from tha Town Board.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad again, do wa hava a motion to tabla?
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 85-89 ANNE PARROTT, lntroducad by Carol Pulvar
who movad for its adoption, sacondad by Patar Cartiar:
At har raquast.
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Duly adopte.d this 20th day of Fe.bruary, 1990, by the. following vote.:
AYES: Mr. Hagan, Mr. Cartie.r, Mrs. Pulve.r, Mr. Robe.rts
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Dybas, Mr. Caimano
SITE PLAN NO. 3-90 TYPE: UNLISTED PC-lA JOHN DOTY D/B/A U-RENT ALL 684 UPPER
GLEN STREET TO REMOVE THREE STORAGE BUILDINGS AND REPLACE THEM WITH ONE 60 FT.
BY 60 FT. POLE BABB. (WARREN COUNTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 102-1-9.2 LOT SIZE:
1± ACRE SECTION 4.020
TOM JARED, C.T. MALE ASSOCIATES
STAFF INPUT
Note.s from Stuart Bake.r, Assistant Planne.r (attache.d)
ENGINEER REPORT
Note.s from Wayne. Ganne.tt, Town Engine.e.r (attache.d)
MR. JARED-State.d the. plan that we. have. submitte.d, I be.lie.ve., addre.sse.s the. conce.rns
that we.re. ide.ntifie.d in the. January 16th me.e.ting. As I re.call, the. major conce.rns
we.re. traffic, of which we. had ide.ntifie.d traffic flow through the. site.. Numbe.r
two, ve.ge.tative. buffe.r are.as around thre.e. side.s of the. site., north, we.st and south,
which we. illustrate. he.re. with the. gre.e.n shading. The. north and south boundarie.s
are. to be., basically, grass strips, ve.ge.tative. grass strips to stabilize. the. banks
and pre.ve.nt e.ncroachme.nt by... The. we.st boundary is to be., in e.sse.nce., le.ft wild,
le.ft to grow wild. It is not a scre.e.n at the. pre.se.nt time.. It will not be. a
scre.e.n, ne.ce.ssari1y, de.pe.nding on how the. we.t conditions e.ffe.ct the. ve.ge.tation,
howe.ve.r, it will be. le.ft to grow wild. The. third ite.m that we. addre.sse.d was
drainage. north and e.ast of the. propose.d building, spe.cifically as how to how it
addre.sse.s the. Wynn prope.rty. We. have. de.signe.d a swale. which is shown in the. cross
se.ction on the. le.ft side. of the. drawing, to dive.rt drainage. to the. stre.am along
the. north side. of the. prope.rty, more. or le.ss pre.ve.nting it or discouraging it
from flowing on to the. Wynn prope.rty as much as possible.. We.' d also stabilize.
this bank along the. Wynn prope.rty to pre.ve.nt e.rosion as much as possible. and to
make. the. site. as ae.sthe.tically ple.asing as possible..
MR. ROBERTS-State.d that se.e.ms to go a long way to addre.ssing our conce.rns from
the. pre.vious me.e.ting. I gue.ss we. did have. the. public he.aring ope.n. Is the.re.
anyone. in the. audie.nce. who care.s to comme.nt on this proje.ct?
NO COMMENT
CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING
MR. HAGAN-Aske.d, in the. pre.vious me.e.ting, we. he.ard complaints of Raymond and Ethe.l
Wynn. Did you make. any modifications in your plan to satisfy the.ir complaints?
MR. JARED-State.d in the. pre.vious plan we. had drainage., basically re.maining as
is, as it was pre.e.xisting, with roof drainage. from the. ne.w building e.nte.ring the.
stre.am along the. north side. of the. prope.rty. Now, what we.'ve. done. is e.stablish
a be.rm and swale. along the. e.aste.rly boundary, just e.ast of the. propose.d building,
which will, for the. most part, e.liminate. drainage. from e.nte.ring the. Wynn prope.rty
along that e.aste.rly boundary. Drainage. is going to e.nte.r the. stre.am to the. north
dire.ctly and the.n flow through the. Wynn prope.rty in the. stre.am.
MR. HAGAN-Aske.d, is that, basically, the. way that stre.am use.d to flow?
MR. JARED-State.d whe.n you say use.d to flow, de.fine. that.
MR. HAGAN-State.d it's natural flow, what was it's natural flow be.fore. you starte.d
grading it on the. Wynn's prope.rty?
MR. JARED-State.d I can't addre.ss that spe.cifically, maybe. the. owne.r's can.
JOHN DOTY PRESENT
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MR. DOTY-Stat~d I'm John Doty and I don't b~li~v~ th~r~'s any chang~ to any of
th~ flow through th~ Wynnls prop~rty that it was an ~xisting str~am and, I b~li~v~
th~r~ was a road th~r~, an abandon road, that str~am go~s right down th~ middl~
of it. Way back on th~ tax maps, I havèn't Sè~n a rècènt map, whèth~r it shows
that road th~rè or not, but thèr~'s a culv~rt that gOèS und~rn~ath...I know that...
th~ Wynn prop~rty.
MR. HAGAN-Stat~d I'm not chalbnging you. If you r~call, last tim~, I sugg~st~d
that possibly what you had don~ had actually improv~d th~ original conditions
of th~ Wynn's prop~rty.
MR. DOTY-Stat~d I was agr~~ing with you.
background.
I was just trying to giv~ you som~
MR. ROBERTS-Ask~d, ar& th~r& oth~r qu&stions?
MR. CARTIER-Stat~d th~ only quick comm~nt I hav& and this is not ~nough to hold
anything up h~r~, but I' d lik~ to s&~ it addr~ss, th~r~' s no handicapp&d parking
in th& front. I don' t hav~ th~ numb~rs in front of m~, but I would gu~ss that
you'r~ probably r~quir~d, L~è, h~lp m& out mayb~, on~ handicapp~d parking r&quir&d.
MRS. YORK-Stat~d probably, I think, p~r 20, on~ spac~ is r~quir~d or l~ss than
20.
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d and you could pick that up v~ry ~asily if it's just a matt&r
of adding two f~&t to on& parking slot and signing it accordingly.
MR. JARED-Stat~d c~rtainly, no probl~m with that.
MR. ROBERTS-Ask~d, did w~ addr&ss SEQRA on this? Wh~r& do w~ stand with SEQRA
on this on~? Not r&quir&d, L~~?
MR. CARTIER-Stat~d it's unlist~d.
MRS. YORK-Stat~d bt m~ just ch~ck th& fib.
of it pr~viously.
I think you may hav~ tak~n car~
MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d s~~ms lik~ w~ probably would hav~ addr~ss~d that last m~&ting.
MRS. YORK-Stat~d I think you may havè alrèady addr~ss~d it at th~ public h~aring
stag~, that's usually wh~n that tak~s plac~. Y~s, that has pr~viously b&&n tak&n
car~ of last month.
MR. ROBERTS-Stat~d ok, thank you. So I gu~ss, if th~r& ar~ no furth&r qu~stions,
w&'r~ r&ady for a motion.
MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 3-90 JOHN OOTY D/B/A U RENT ALL, Introduc~d
by P~t&r Carti&r who mov~d for its adoption, s&condad by Jamas Hagan:
All conc&rns that w~r& rais~d hav~ b&~n satisfactorily addr&ss~d and I would add
th~ following stipulation, that on~ handicapp&d parking spaca ba providad and
signag& b& provid&d for that on~ spac&.
Duly adopt~d this 20th day of F~bruary, 1990, by th& following vot~:
AYES: Mr. Hagan, Mr. Carti~r, Mrs. Pulvar, Mr. Roberts
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Dybas, Mr. Caimano
SITE PLAN NO. 77-89 TYPE II CR-15 SCOTT MCLAUGHLIN Drx AVENUE AND QUARRY
CROSSING TO REMOVE THE TRAILER. TO ADD AN OFFICE AND GARAGE (42 FT. BY 75 FT.).
(WARREN COUNTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 111-7-5 LOT SIZE: 1.41 ACRES SECTION
4.020 L
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d I und&rstand P&t~r will b~ st~pping down for th~ n~xt two.
This rais&s an obvious problam for us, sinc& w~ don' t hav~ a quorum, but sinc&
tha public haarings w~ra alr&ady advartisad on both of thasa naxt proj~cts, I
guass w~ falt, wall at l~ast on th~ s~cond on~, I'm not sur~ w~ can on this on&,
That rais&s a good quastion, is this public haaring still opan on Scott McLaughlin?
I would assum~ that wa probably did kaap that op&n. Any mamos on that?
MRS. YORK-Stat&d tha notas do not indicat~ that th~ public haaring was h~ld op~n,
but I'm not sur& bacaus~ th~r~ was naw information that was submittad.
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MR. ROBERTS-Statèd a rèquèst, I would assumè that Wè would probably havè lèft
it opèn. Whilè wè'rè at it, SEQRA. Did Wè addrèss SEQRA?
MRS. YORK-Statèd lèt mè just chèck thè filè. I donlt Sèè that this has bèèn signèd
by you, Dick, so I'll bring it OVèr for you to do.
MR. ROBERTS-Askèd, first of all, is thèrè somèonè hèrè to spèak to this issuè
tonight? I'm just wondèring, sincè no onè is hèrè, and sincè Wè arè lacking a
quorum and cannot makè a final dècis ion tonight, anyway, that pèrhaps Wè should,
in all fairnèss to èVèryonè, tablè this for anothèr mèèting. Is thèrè anyonè
in thè audièncè who was hèrè to commènt at this public hèaring? I don't likè
to gèt pèoplè out unnècèssarily, but if it Sèèms appropriatè to èVèryonè, pèrhaps
Wè ought to.
MR. BUCKLEY-Askèd may I spèak? I'm a nèighbor of Mr. Smith and Mr. England.
MR. ROBERTS-Statèd you'rè dèaling with anothèr subjèct latèr on in thè èvaning.
MR. BUCKLEY-Statèd it would bè nècèssary that pèrhaps Wè may not ba ablè to gèt
back hèrè in thè nèxt wèak.
MR. ROBERTS-Statèd I think Wè intènd to kèèp your public hèaring opèn and listèn
to thè public hèrè tonight èVèn though Wè havè, again, a quorum problèm. Wèll,
that I s not a problèm. Wè havè a diffèrènt problèm in yours. Thè fact that thè
papèrwork somèhow did not gèt addrèssèd at thè County Planning Board and I'm not
just surè why. Wa will nèèd to makè our final dècision on this subsèquènt to
thè County Planning Board making thèir dècision, but sincè you' rè hèra tonight,
Wè will hold thè public hèarings and I think, probably, if it saams rèasonablè
Wè could gèt away with that and makè our dacision aftèr thè County, but you' rè
latèr on in thè aganda. Wa'va got a similar situation although not quita tha
sama and I would think that it makès sansa to maybè tabla this ona. Is anyona
hara for Scott McLaughlin's sitè plan? It will rèndèr no hardship with tha public
or anybody, I guass, if Wè tablè this. Can Wè tablè this without thè advicè of
thè applicant?
MS. CORPUS-Statèd cèrtainly.
a quorum.
You would havè a dèfacto tabling anyway without
MR. ROBERTS-Statèd so lèts not do anything with it.
Wè nèèd a motion to that èffèct?
Wa'll carry it OVèr.
Do
MS. CORPUS-Statèd you nèèd a motion and a datè, until thè nèxt mèèting, or nèxt
month.
MRS. YORK-Askèd can thèrè just bè a no action?
MS. CORPUS-Statèd YèS, that's an option for thè Board also.
MR. ROBERTS-Statèd no appèarancè and no action.
businèss.
Ok, on to thè naxt ordèr of
SUBDIVISION NO. 22-1989 PRELIKINARY STAGE TYPE: UNLISTED SR-1A SHULTZ
SUBDIVISION ARZELIA H. SHULTZ NORTHERLY SIDE OF RIDGE ROAD, 1,000 FT. SOUTH OF
HICKS ROAD FOR A 3 LOT SUBDIVISION. PLAN TO RETAIN EXISTING RESIDENCE PARCEL
AND TO CONVEY TWO BUILDING LOTS. TAX MAP NO. 55-1-8 LOT SIZE: 9.5 ACRES
DAVID SHULTZ, PRESENT
STAFF INPUT
Notès from Stuart Bakèr, Assistant Plannèr (attachèd)
ENGINEER REPORT
Notès from Waynè Gannatt, Town Enginèèr (attachèd)
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
NO COMMENT
PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED
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MR. ROBERTS-Statad parhaps wa can still, no, I guass wa cannot avan addrass SEQRA
on this probably bacausa wa don't hava a quorum to vota on Naw York Stata
Environmantal Quality Raviaw Act as wall. So, at laast wa'ra not asking tha public
to coma out a sacond tima, but othar than that, I guass wa'ra going to hava to
put this off until wa can coma up with a quorum. I apologiza to tha applicant
and I hopa this isn't going to hold things up too much, but thara's not much alsa
wa can do with this. Ara wa on solid ground hara, having hald tha public haaring,
holding ovar avarything alsa until a futura data?
MRS. YORK-Askad, has tha public haaring baan hald?
MR. ROBERTS-Statad yas and no ona was hara and wa closad it.
MR. SHULTZ-Statad
agancias yas, Naw
I'm raprasanting
Fabruary 13, 1990
on my application, undar approvals raquirad, it says stata
York Stata Dapartmant of Transportation. My nama is David Shultz,
my mothar and wa appliad for parmits for two driva opanings
at tha Naw York Stata Dapartmant of Transportation in Warransburg.
MR. ROBERTS-Askad, thay havan't coma through yat?
MR. SHULTZ-Statad no.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad may ba thay will by tha tima wa naxt gat togathar. Ok, thank
you. Sorry for tha dalay, but I guass wa will hava to put this on tha back burnar
than untiL..
MRS. YORK-Statad it will ba naxt waak, tha 27th.
MR. SHULTZ-Statad naxt waak. Ok, thanks.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad oh, you'ra going to put him on naxt waak's aganda.
MRS. YORK-Statad I think undar tha circumstancas, unlass tha Board has cartain
problams with that.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad I don't think thara ara many problams with tha projact.
MRS. YORK-Statad tha only concarn I hava is that tha aganda is sat. Wa do hava
aganda control, but undar tha circumstancas, without a quorum, it's my faaling
that, in fairnass to tha applicant, it should ba in naxt waak.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad ok. Than on to naw businass.
NEW BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN NO. 9-90 TYPE: UNLISTED SR-1A CHRISTOPHER C. AND LORI L. CARTE
NORTHERLY SIDE OF LUZERNE ROAD, APPROX. 400 FT. WEST OF THE STEPHANIE LANE, LUZERNE
ROAD INTERSECTION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO FAMILY APARTMENT HOUSE. TAX MAP
NO. 121-4-7.1 LOT SIZE: 2.88 ACRES SECTION 4.020~G
CHRIS CARTE PRESENT
STAFF INPUT
Stuart G. Bakar, Assistant Plannar (attachad)
ENGINEER REPORT
Notas from Wayna Gannatt, Town Enginaar (attachad)
MR. ROBERTS-Askad, would you catagoriza thasa things as ralativaly significant
if a..for approval tonight...mora anginaaring is dona hara?
MR. GANNETT-Statad I would racommand, Mr. Chairman, that, cartainly,
data rasults ba shown and, at laast, tha systam ba modifiad so that
two saptic tanks for tha two fialds as a minimum.
parc tast
thara ara
MR. ROBERTS-Askad is thara any ona hara to spaak to this issua? Do you want to
add anything to this?
MR. CARTE-Statad my nama is Chris Carta and I'm a littla bit concarnad about tha
parcolation tast. I maan, I was told that it might possibly ba nacassary, but
I was wondaring axactly how do I go about obtaining that whan tha ground is frozan.
Itls nacassary to wait until tha ground thaws bafora wa do it.
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MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d I don't b&li&v& th&r&'s any practical way to do it until spring
now, would you say, Wayn&?
MR. GANNETT-Stat&d you' r& probably going to hav& to wait at l&ast until most of
th& frost l&av&s th& ground in ord&r to g&t it don& now, but it is normally a
r&quir&me:nt for a de:sign of the: se:ptic syste:m to have: an actual pe:rc te:st at the:
sight of your se:ptic syste:m fie:lds be:cause: the:re: are: are:as whe:re: the: soils are:
variable: that it could e:ffe:ct the: size: and the: de:sign of your syste:m unless you
have an actual perc test at that time:.
MR. CARTE-Asked, so then the: whole project would be he:ld up until I could attain
that?
MR. ROBERTS-Stated it's pretty critical to us going ahe:ad with any proje:ct to
knowing how we: can deal with the se:ptic system.
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d we're: in... country he:re and I suspect we I re going to see: a
ve:ry high pe:rc rate which may re:quire fill systems. So we need to find out, pretty
pre:cisely, what the perc rate: is. I have anothe:r concern here too. Again, this
is...country and one of the: things that ne:eds to be done in this are:a is apply
. . . cutting re:strictions on some of this property. Since: we:' re looking at 2.8
acres, and I believe we've: be:e:n using 60/40, you can clear 60, but 40 has to re:main
untouche:d.
MR. ROBERTS-Aske:d, what do we: do for a duplex?
MR. CARTIER-Stated we:ll, ok, but I think the same would apply to them be:cause:
we: have: 2.8 acres.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated and two se:ptic syste:ms.
in two individual systems.
We have to cut e:nough trees to ge:t
MR. CARTIER-State:d ok, maybe 60/40 is not the right one:. I'm trying to think
of some othe:rs the:y can use, maybe: 50/50, anothe:r words 50 perce:nt of the
prope:rty.. .and still allows a 2.88 acres of approximate:ly 1.5 acres that can be
c1e:are:d.
MR. ROBERTS-State:d it's a fairly level pie:ce of land and I don't think you're:
going to want to cl&ar anymore: than you have to and you' r& not going to have to
cle:ar more.. .house and the: septic system. Probably can even do the 60/40, but
for a duplex that might be asking.
MR. CARTIER-Stated I can live with 50/50. So, in
the:n is somewhe:re: in your application and
are. . . restrictions betw&en property and there's
allowed to cut de:ad or dise:ase:d and so on.
e:ffect, what would have to happen
you sp&ll it out that the:re
some legal language about being
MRS. YORK-Stated we can help you with that. When you ge:t ready, come on in to
the Planning De:partment and we:lll he:lp you out.
MR. ROBERTS-Aske:d is there: anyone else in the: audience: who cares to comm&nt on
this proje:ct?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
BARBARA SHEAR
MRS. SHEAR-I'm Barbara Shear and I just received today in the: mail this notice
that we I re: me:&ting tonight and I have: a que:stion. I thought the problem here:
was that Luzerne: Road is now a single re:side:ntial 1 acre are:a and they I re trying
to put a two family apartment house: there or a duplex. I thought the: issue was,
are: the: neighbors going to allow this. Should it be a single family only because:
that's what it's within the zoning for?
MR. CARTIER-Just to cle:ar this up, there
zone, and there: is a suburban residential
zone.
is an
zone:.
SFR,
This
a single: family residence:
is a suburban residential
MRS. SHEAR-We:'re: SR-l.
MR. CARTIER-That's correct and in that SR-l zone, duplexes are: allowed, provided
if we put a duple:x on 1 acre: per dwe:lling unit.
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MRS . SHEAR-Right.
MR. CARTIER-So ha' s got two dwalling units ha' s putting in on almost thraa acras
so ha maats tha ordinanca. I just want to ba sura you undarstand tha diffaranca
batwaan tha SF, singla family rasidantial and tha suburban rasidantial.
MR. ROBERTS-In othar words, it's parmittad, what ha's trying to do.
MRS. SHEAR-Ok, wall, wa'ra trying to figura out whara it's going to ba on Luzarna
Road.
MR. ROBERTS-Wall, it's way in bahind an axisting housa.
MRS. SHEAR-It's going to ba bahind tha trailar, bahind tha trailar?
MR. ROBERTS-Chris, could you axplain it a littla bat tar for tha lady, on tha map.
MR. CARTE-Thara's an axisting mobila homa hara.
MR. ROBERTS-Thara' s no road. Ha' s going to ba building his privata drivaway for
this.
MR. CARTE-Yas, tha drivaway will ba ovar hara but thara's no housa diractly across
tha road from this. Tha only housa is hara. This is vacant proparty.
MRS. SHEAR-This is Nail's proparty. ...thasa two lots, that's his proparty.
MR. CARTE-Whara do you liva?
MRS. SHEAR-I liva naxt to Nail, on tha othar sida and than this is Lillian's.
MRS. SHEAR-Is that...trailar.
MR. CARTE-It's not, no, it's bahind tha first.. Thara' s a piaca of proparty
that wa purchasad as 50 foot road frontaga, hara batwaan this gantlaman's proparty
and this lady who owns this mobila homa. Right now, ha has a kind of a dirt
drivaway coming in around tha back of this housa, that actually goas across our
proparty at this point and I don't hava any particular problam with that. Tharals
room for us to gat tha drivaway wa would lika to put in thara and tha housa would
ba approximataly 400 faat back(TAPE TURNED)
TERRY BROWN
MR. BROWN-My quastion was, a yaar ago, I had tha sama application up and I had
370 foot of frontaga with a rasidanca on it alraady, wall I hava to hava, bacausa
it's an artarial highway, 300 foot on tha front of Luzarna Road par rasidanca
and that's just tha right-of-way. I was approvad to put mina on, but it would
hava to ba in tha samê daad as my axisting housa unlass I put in a Town maintainad
road, 24 foot wida, pavad, undarground utilitias, tha whola bit. I'm just curious,
can ha do this?
MR. ROBERTS-Wall, you wara subdividing your proparty.
do with your propêrty?
What wara you going to
MR. BROWN-Is Luzarna Road still an artarial highway?
MR. ROBERTS-Yas, I baliava it is.
MR. BROWN-I don't mind him building a housa thara. I just can't saa ma, in tha
procêss of gatting mina dona, thay changad it from 150 to 300 foot par rasidanca
bacausa it is now an artarial highway.
RICHARD NICHOLS
MR. NICHOLS-Thay mada an artarial highway out of tha blua.
MR. BROWN-I'va got all tha paparwork on it and avarything.
MR. ROBERTS-Not out of tha blua, wa'va had many, many public haarings on this.
MR. NICHOLS-Pratty much bacausa wa want around and took a patition a yaar bafora
to gat this thing changad tha othar way.
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MR. HAGAN-Could wa taka it one at a time.
MR. BROWN-That's only my main question. My main quastion is, that's a right-of-way
gatting back in thara.
MRS. YORK-I think what wa hava to do is, tha Zoning Administrator, Mrs. Collard,
is supposad to raviaw all applications, I will ask har about it tomorrow and what
har datermination was and I will raquast that sha get soma kind of statamant to
tha Board in writing ragarding this issue.
MR. ROBERTS-Saams to ma, sinca ha' s not subdividing tha proparty, ha' s kaaping
it as a singla duplex, but it's a rental unit, it doesn't fall undar tha
intarnalization rulas, I don't saa why he couldn't have just a single driveway
to that. If ha wera subdividing and selling two lots off back thara, then he
would not have the frontage to be able to do it.
MRS. YORK-I can't make that determination for you. Only the Zoning Administrator
can maka that kind of a determination legally. So, I will ask her to get you
something in writing regarding this submission as soon as possible.
MR. ROBERTS-Does that make sense to you?
MR. CARTIER-Yes, I think you're trying to answer the gentleman's question and
I think it does come down here.
MR. CARTE-I understand you have rules that you have to follow by.
MR. CARTIER-You subdivided your property, correct?
MR. BROWN-I wanted to. You gave me permission to build it, but without subdividing
it, meaning that I wouldn't have had it on the same deed as my existing residence.
MR. ROBERTS-That's right.
MR. BROWN-I've got 5.1 acres with 370 foot frontage.
MR. CARTIER-When you subdivide a piece of property a whole different set of
regulations kick in that do not apply here because this is not a subdivision.
I don't know if we I re answering your question or not. Mrs. York is correct.
Mrs. Collard is the one who's going to give us a correct answer.
MRS. YORK-And I would suggest that you call Mrs. Collard tomorrow and get an answer
from her too or you can call me.
MR. ROBERTS-I'd like to be sure enough about this so as not to hold up this
application.
MR. BROWN-I don't want to hold up this application, my opinion is, I'm as highly
qualified as he is and I got knocked down.
MR. ROBERTS-You were trying to do two different things.
MR. CARTIER-You didn't here what said then. You were applying to subdivide, to
divide up a piece of property into separate lots. When that happens, there's
a set of subdivision regulations that kick in. This is not a subdivision, this
is a singla property, a single lot.
MR. ROBERTS-No question but what you got kind of hurt by that internalization
part.
MR. BROWN-Common sanse wise, that's all I'm looking at. I'm not going by the
rulas that tha Town has. I'm just saying common sense wise.
MR. NICHOLS-I want to tell you, we were in this from tha beginning. Ha not only
got hurt, he got scabbed.
MR. CARTE-I just hava a commant to maka about thair situation. I was intarested
in a piece of property on Luzerna Road be fora we purchased this one, and thay
ran into trouble subdividing becausa the stipulation was not that you hava a certain
amount of road frontaga, but that you hava a certain average lot width.
MR. ROBERTS-That can ba a problam too.
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MR. CARTIER- I don't want to get too far into this because we're bringing in a
past application and I don't think we need to do that. All we're here to do is
consider your application. The gentleman has a question, it's a legitimate
question. He's going to get an answer, I hope from the Zoning Administrator.
MR. BROWN-The way I think it would be fair is if it's suburban residential 1 acre,
I've got one acre. I've got my house on it. If I've got four acres I can I t do
anything with, I think that I should have a reduced tax rate on that piece of
property because it's what used to be usable property which is now
MR. CARTIER-Wait a minute. I don't know if I want to get into this. You can
do things. If you've got four acres, you could put a quadraplex. I really don't
know what we're going to do by getting into this. You've got a question. That's
a comment, but it's not this Boards
MR. NICHOLS-It was a very good question.
MR. ROBERTS-No, no, no, if you want to change the zone, sir, you go to the Town
Board to change the zone.
MR. NICHOLS-We did change the zone, about a year ago.
MR. ROBERTS-..talk about changing it again.
MR. NICHOLS-You people changed it two or three times since I've lived up there.
I've been up there 40 years, the Town, not you people. I'm not picking on you,
but I mean, the Town has changed this thing back and forth, one time, under the
table type thing and we got a petition and got it changed back and then, before
he could even get his petition approved, you made some more changes.
MR. ROBERTS-I take exception to your under the table comment, but we'll have to
cut this off since you're not willing to use the mic.
MR. NICHOLS-You say this 60/40 on the cutting of the trees or something like that.
A number of years ago, nobody wanted to live up there, it was West Glens Falls,
you know, but now everybody wants to live up there. Over near Bedford Close they
cut down everything but the houses. Now, I mean, I've got 10 acres there and
you're going to tell me that I can only cut down a few trees.
MR. ROBERTS-Bedford Close was one of the first subdivisions.
MR. CARTIER-When you come in with an application, I'll be glad to answer that
question, but you don't have an application in front of us right now. You're
taking us into an area that is beyond what this Board deals with. It's a fair
question, but maybe this is not the time to answer it. If you want to hang around
after the meeting, I'll be glad to sit down with you and explain to you why we
do this cutting restrictions and I was one of the people involved in developing
the master plan. I'll be glad to give you time, but I don't want to take time
off now.
MR. ROBERTS-Go ask Joe Carusone about the last section of Bedford Close that's
where we started this kind of thing, early on, they know all about it.
MR. NICHOLS-That's the way our Town's being run now. Nobody wants to answer the
problems.
MR. CARTIER-Cutting restrictions are a way to answer the problem.
last thing I'm going to say about it.
That's the
MR. ROBERTS-We know that we need to wait for perc tests, so this does have to
be tabled. I guess we can table this with agreement of the applicant, well, I
donlt know why it would have to be in agreement with the applicant since he doesn't
have enough engineering to go forward. Normally, we get an agreement to table,
agreement of the applicant.
MS. CORPUS-The Board could always ask him if had a recommendation as to what month.
MR. ROBERTS-Well, he's not going to know when he can do that, I guess, it depends
on the frost.
MR. CARTE-Right, I'm not sure when I can do that.
MR. ROBERTS-Well, we'll see you when we can see you.
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MR. NICHOLS-Wouldn't a pe:rcolation te:st from a pre:vious pe:rson be: good e:nough
for that are:a?
MR. ROBERTS-It probably would be: if he: has one:.
MR. NICHOLS-We:ll, my son-in-law's got one: he:re: and he:'s only a little: ways from
that prope:rty.
MR. ROBERTS-The:y'd have: to be: pre:tty close: to the: se:ptic syste:m.
MR. BROWN-A quarte:r of a mile:?
MR. ROBERTS-That's not close: e:nough.
MR. CARTIER-It has to be: on the: prope:rty. It's suppose:d to be: on the: prope:rty.
MR. HAGAN-It's suppose:d to be: within the: le:achfie:ld are:a.
MR. ROBERTS-Le:t's have: a motion to table:.
MR. CARTIER-I assume: we:'re: tabling with the: agre:e:me:nt of the: applicant, corre:ct?
Le:t the: re:cord indicate: that Mr. Carte: indicate:d ye:s.
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 9-90 CHRISTOPHER C. AND LORI L. CARTE, Introduce:d
by Pe:te:r Cartie:r who move:d for its adoption, se:conde:d by Carol Pulve:r:
To allow the: applicant to addre:ss comme:nts made: by Planning and Engine:e:ring Staff
and also to de:ve:lop a cutting plan.
Duly adopte:d this 20th day of Fe:bruary, 1990, by the: following vote::
AYES: Mr. Hagan, Mr. Cartie:r, Mrs. Pulve:r, Mr. Robe:rts
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Dybas, Mr. Caimano
MR. ROBERTS-And I don't be:lie:ve: we:' 11 close: the: public he:aring on that, we: might
as we:ll le:ave: it ope:n.
SITE PLAN NO. 10-90 TYPE II WR-1A FRAlfl{ W. AND KATHLEEN V. ENGLAND HILLMAN
ROAD, CLEVERDALE, SECOND LEFT OFF CLEVERDALE ROAD FROM ROUTE 9L SECOND HOUSE ON
LEFT AFTER CURVE IN HILLMAN ROAD FOR THE ADDITION OF A COVERED ENTRANCE PORCH,
A DEN, AND A GARAGE TO PRESENT STRUCTURE. (WARREN COUNTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO.
12-3-34.1 LOT SIZE: .21 ACRES SECTION 9.010
FRANK ENGLAND, PRESENT
STAFF INPUT
Note:s from John Goralski, Planne:r (attache:d)
ENGINEER REPORT
Note:s from Wayne: Ganne:tt, Town Engine:e:r (attache:d)
MR. HAGAN-State:d I have: a proble:m with Ite:m thre:e: on your e:ngine:e:ring re:port.
An 8 ft. diame:te:r by 12 ft. de:e:p se:e:page: pit. In that particular are:a, I'd be:
hard put to be:lie:ve: that you could go more: than 4 fe:e:t without running into Lake:
wate:r.
MR. GANNETT-State:d I agre:e:.
MR. HAGAN-State:d so, isn't a 12 foot se:e:page: pit sort of supe:rfluous? You know,
what's going to se:e:p?
MR. GANNETT-State:d thatls why we:'re: re:que:sting that the:y give: us a pe:rc te:st.
MR. ROBERTS-Aske:d, isn't a part of that syste:m alre:ady built, with the: ne:w tank?
MR. ENGLAND-State:d it's in the: proce:ss of be:ing put in.
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MR. GANNETT-Stat&d th& s&&pag& pits ar& shown as n&w, th& propos&d s&&pag& pits,
is that corr&ct?
MR. ENGLAND-Stat&d that's corr&ct.
MR. HAGAN-Ask&d, but what purpos& will th&y s&rv&?
MR. GANNETT-Stat&d that's &xactly th& r&ason why W& w&r& r&qu&sting th& p&rcolation
t&sts. On& at half way and on& at th& floor of th& pit to v&rify that th&s& ar&
not in ground wat&r.
MR. HAGAN-Stat&d but th& standard p&rcolation t&st do&s not r&quir& th& t&st hol&
to go b&yond two and a half f&&t d&&p. So, th& p&rcolation t&st, in my opinion,
isnlt going to prov& a thing. Thatls why I hav& a probl&m with it.
MR. GANNETT-Stat&d at th& standard d&pth, that's corr&ct, that's for th& standard
l&achfi&ld. What th& h&alth d&partm&nt r&quir&s is that wh&n an applicant propos&s
to US& s&&pag& pits inst&ad of a l&aching b&d, particularly d&&p s&&pag& pits,
that th& p&rc t&st b& tak&n at th& bottom of th& s&&pag& pit to d&t&rmin& that
v&ry thing that you'r& talking about.
MR. HAGAN-Stat&d ok, that's why th&ylr&
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d that mak&s s&ns&.
MR. HAGAN-Stat&d I didn't und&rstand that.
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d mayb& I should ask th& applicant, I gU&SS non& of th&s& t&sts
hav& b&&n tak&n? Ar& you h&r& to r&pr&s&nt?
MR. ENGLAND-Stat&d y&S, I'm Frank England. I was surpris&d at this b&caus& I
thought that th& r&ason I was h&r& tonight was b&caus& som& of th& construction,
a small part of th& porch and a littl& bit of th& d&n wasn't within 75 f&&t of
th& Lak&.
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d you'r& right, that trigg&rs our r&vi&w.
MR. ENGLAND-Stat&d actually, I'v& d&cr&as&d th& hous& by on& b&droom and in th&
application I show&d th& p&rm&ability t&st that W& r&mov&d a 20 ft. by 30 ft.
black top ar&a and that's now b&ing...grass.
MR. HAGAN-Ask&d, how far from your adjoining prop&rty lin&s ar& you &xt&nding
this addition? How clos& to th& prop&rty.
MR. ENGLAND-Stat&d if you will look, sir, th&r&'s a sk&tch that I gav& you.
MR. HAGAN-Stat&d y&S, I hav& on& sk&tch h&r&, but I don 't S&& th& s&tback from
th& sid&lin&.
MR. ENGLAND-Stat&d th& pr&s&nt structur& is th&r&. It's roughly 16 f&&t from
th& north lin&, th& pr&s&nt structur& and I got a varianc& from th& Town to
construct my garag& within 10 f&&t of that north boundary lin& and I will also
hav& th& concurr&nc& of th& p&rson who liv&s on that sid&.
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d h& alr&ady has that varianc&, Jim.
MR. HAGAN-Stat&d so W& can't qu&stion it.
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d no, I gU&SS not, not that part, but to answ&r your qu&stion
sir, your s&tback from th& Lak& is what trigg&rs our r&vi&w proc&ss, but that
giv&s us an opportunity to look at th& &ntir& sit& and W& always look v&ry h&avily
at th& s&ptic syst&ms and it would app&ar that this on& mayor may not hav& b&&n
prop&rly &ngin&&r&d and mayor may not r&quir& a s&ptic varianc& from th& Board
of H&alth which is th& Town Board. I'm jumping ah&ad h&r& a littl& bit.
MR. ENGLAND-Stat&d I got p&rmission from th& Town to put thos& in back b&yond
100 f&&t from th& Lak&.
MR. ROBERTS-Ask&d, do&s h& hav& a s&ptic varianc& from th& Town Board on this?
MR. ENGLAND-Stat&d y&s. Ask&d, from this Board?
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MR. ROBERTS-Statèd no, that would bè from thè Town Board who act as thè Board
of Hèalth in thè Town of QUèènsbury.
MR. ENGLAND-Statèd YèS.
MRS. YORK-Askèd, you did rècèivè a sèptic variancè?
MR. ENGLAND-Statèd wèll, rèsolution 50, 1989 that was attachèd to my application.
MR. CARTIER-Statèd wèll, what wèlrè looking at with this piècè of propèrty right
now is, somèbody corrèct mè if I'm wrong, two variancès. Wè havè a variancè to
add a porch on thè back of thèbuilding, Wè havè a variancè to put in a sèptic
systèm within 200 fèèt of thè Lakè, and Wè havè a variancè to put a garagè in
that dOès not mèèt thè sidèlinè sètback, is that corrèct? Arè Wè talking about
thrèè variancès on this piècè of propèrty?
MR. ENGLAND-Statèd wèll, it's a vèry small piècè of propèrty, sir.
MR. CARTIER-Statèd that's thè point.
or so?
All of thèm in thè last couplè of Yèars
MR. ENGLAND-Statèd wèll, I bought it in August of this Yèar.
MR. CARTIER-Askèd, and YOU'Vè got thrèè variancès on thè propèrty so far?
MR. ENGLAND-Statèd what I trièd to do is bring thè propèrty up to snuff bècausè
IIVè bèèn around thè Lakè for many Yèars. I uSèd to go to boy scout camp up hèrè
and I wantèd to rètirè up thèrè. I bought this propèrty and I'm trying to bring
it up to what Wè want on thè Lakè. As you can Sèè, thè pèrmèability, I think
by putting a garagè and thè dèn in, I'vè only incrèasèd thè pèrmèability onè
pèrcènt. I think 81 pèrcènt of thè lot is still vacant. I put in drywèlls thèrè
Wèrè nèVèr any dryWèlls, thèrè Wèrè no guttèrs on this placè. I'vè donè that
to prèvènt thè runoff from going into thè Lakè.
MR. HAGAN-Statèd howèvèr, whèn you bought this land, thèrè Wèrè nèW ordinancès
èstablishèd, somè two Yèars bèforè you bought this land. ThèY Wèrè èstablishèd
to prèvènt OVèrUSè of propèrty and hèrè on a small piècè of propèrty, just sincè
thè timè YOU'Vè bought it, YOU'Vè had thrèè variancès grantèd and that's why wè'rè
looking at it.
MR. ENGLAND-Statèd I'm trying to bring thè propèrty up to havè it so that it dOèsn't
do what, a lot of things arè going on in thè Lakè.
MR. HAGAN-Statèd YèS, but somè of thè things you arè doing hèrè Wèrè thè vèry
rèasons that thè Town èstablishèd cèrtain zoning laws and YOU'Vè alrèady gottèn
pèrmission to brèak thèm.
MR. ROBERT-Statèd wèll, sir, your intènt dOès Sèèm to bè sound. I gUèss what
I'm qUèstioning is, on what basis did you gèt that sèptic variancè. Did thè
ènginèèring, at that timè, did it satisfy thè Town Enginèèrs that thèsè dèèp pits
would work?
MR. GANNETT-Statèd in rèvièwing thè copy of thè rèsolution, it appèars that thè
variancè was only for thè 150 foot sèparation distancè.
MS. CORPUS-Statèd wèll, Wè don't know what was discussèd unlèss Wè look at thè
minutès. Wè could possibly do that, if thè Board would likè.
MR. CARTIER-Statèd in othèr words, possibly thè Town Board, opèrating as thè Board
of Hèalth, dOès not havè...? Is this a possibility?
MR. GANNETT-Statèd it cèrtainly is a possibility. This copy hèrè that I havè
in thè packèt which appèars to bè a copy of thè minutès, only discussèS thè sizè
of thè lot and thè difficulty in obtaining thè 150 sètback from thè Lakuhorè.
It appèars to bè a variancè for thè distancè only. It also discussèS thè fact
that thè applicant would also nèèd to Sècurè thè approval of thè Statè Dèpartmènt
of Hèalth and I doubt that thè Statè Dèpartmènt of Hèalth would approvè this sèptic
systèm without thè pèrc tèst data rèquirèd.
MR. ROBERTS-Askèd, havè you had an ènginèèr dèsign thèsè for you?
MR. ENGLAND-Statèd no, this is what was rècommèndèd by thè Board downstairs.
Wè showèd it to thèm and this is what thèY wèrè...put thèsè in.
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MR. ROBERTS-Asked, the Town Board?
MR. ENGLAND-Stated yes.
MS. CORPUS-Asked, Mr. England, did you receive approval from the New York State
Department of Health?
MR. ENGLAND-Stated I talke:d to Mr. Fe:ar and he: said it was all right.
MRS. YORK-Asked, do you have anything in writing to that e:ffe:ct?
MR. ENGLAND-Stated no, but I think there's something in writing on my application
to the: Town, stated that Mr. Fear had okayed it.
MR. CARTIER-Stated I'm losing track of the time: line here:. We're: looking at a
resolution dated Nove:mbe:r '89 and it says, the last item, "that the: Local Board
of Health impose:s a condition upon the: applicant that he must also secure the
approval of the: Ne:w York State De:partment of He:alth" and the way that reads, to
me, is that that approval was not in hand when this re:solution was made by the
Town Board acting as the: Board of Health.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated passing the: buck a little:.
MR. CARTIER-Stated I don't know what's going on, but in terms of time line:.
MS. CORPUS-Stated perhaps a reading of the minutes would help the: Board.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated weill, again, as I mentioned earlier in the: eve:ning, we have
a problem with both your application and the: ne:xt application, insofaras, for
whatever n~ason, the:y didn't get to the County Planning Board for their review
this month and we're not re:ally suppose:d to be addre:ssing these until they have
addressed the:m. So we:' rei, at the: ve:ry least, not going to be able to vote on
these tonight, but Ilm going to hold the: public he:aring since: perhaps some: of
your neighbors are he:re: and it might not require the:m to come: back out again,
but since we: do have: a time: lag, perhaps some of the:se questions can be answered
before: we readjourn eve:n as early as next we:e:k. Is this a possibility that we:
can check out the engine:ering. If it re:quires up to date perc te:sts, there:' s
too much frost on the: ground now, the same as the: pre:vious applicant, we can't,
probably, do that at this stage: of the: game, but if it has bee:n already properly
engine:e:re:d and approve:d by the: Town Board, it doe:sn' t be:hoove: us, I gue:ss, to
throw that out, but we: don't know whe:re it stands, it doe:sn' t sound as though
the:y we:re: looking that close:ly at it. As Jim says, maybe: a 12 foot pit he:re: we:
might e:nd up with hydro static pre:ssure: that will e:nd up with a... I gue:sswe:
ne:ed some: furthe:r e:ngine:e:ring to find out if those things will work. If the:y
won't work we may have to have: some: kind of a, e:ve:n a diffe:re:nt se:ptic variance:
or some:thing. Eve:n though we: agre:e: that your inte:nts se:e:m to be: honorable: he:re:.
We:' rei at a stale:mate: he:re:, both by the: fact that we: can't addre:ss it tonight and
the: lack of information. I gue:ss I'm going to re:commend that we: table: this to
find out some: of the:se: answe:rs.
MR. ENGLAND-Aske:d, could I ask that you table: it for at le:ast a month or so, be:cause:
I pre:se:ntly live: ove:r in Boston and I have: to come: back ove:r he:re:, not ne:xt we:e:k
and I know you have: a busy age:nda anyway, so it's probably just as weill.
MR. ROBERTS-State:d sure:. Before: we: make: that final de:cision, le:t me: ope:n this
to the: public. I think we: said we: would hold a public he:aring. Is anyone he:re:
who care:s to comme:nt on this proje:ct?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
ART BUCKLEY
MR. BUCKLEY-My name:'s Art Buckle:y. I'm a ne:ighbor of Mr. and Mrs. Smith and Mr.
England and I can say, pe:rsonally, I've: sée:n what they've: done: the:re: and the:y
are: absolute:ly upgrading that prope:rty. Now, originally, whe:re Mr. England would
like: to put a bre:e:ze: way and a garage: and part of the: ne:w se:ptic system, had be:e:n
anothe:r building on that prope:rty. It was a large: building, what they calle:d
the: plaype:n. The: prope:rty was ftmce:d in and the:y had a building in the:re:, the:
original owne:rs daughte:rs use:d to use: it for what the:y calle:d a doll house:. It
turne:d out to be: a dog house:, that's what it turne:d out to be: and the:y had thre:e:
dogs about like: this. Great big, the:y we:re: Gre:at Pe:rrianie:s. The:y had thre:e:
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and th&se dogs, you'd think el&phants had walk&d into th& yard. If you und&rstand
what I'm trying to say and it was a m&ss. It was a total m&ss. Th&y n&ver bother&d
to cl&an it up and they should hav& and all that, ev&ntually, had to l&ach into
the Lak& and I know on one pi&ce of there property, this property over here, I
saw the.m dig up a septic syste.m that was only 14 feet from the e.dge of the Lake
from the. old building. I saw it myself and I know. Now, these peopl& have done
nothing but upgrade. their property. They've spent a lot of money, a lot of time
and I'm for it 100 perce.nt and to raise. a que.stion with you be.cause. I ran into
this problem mys&lf three. years ago wh&n my wife and I built and lot s&tback.
My wif& and I have a piece. of property that's a nonconforming lot. It's very
odd shap&d and although it runs parall&l on the. south side, it's truncat&d north,
in any cas&, it's angled and I think th& s&tback was 30 fe&t, overall, am I correct?
So th&y didn't car&, at the tim&, how we acquir&d the(TAPE TURNED) 30 f&&t as
long as we obey&d that setback and I und&rstand Mr. England's property is ...that
perimeter, but I know it c&rtainly is on th& south side of his property. That IS
all I hav& to say.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated ok, thank you.
PAUL HILL
MR. HILL-My name. is Paul Hill and I gU&SS &verybody here knows me or has for a
f&w y&ars anyway. I've be&n up at the Lake ther& sinc& 1950 and I've be&n pleased
to s&& that we've got new neighbors the.re because, lik& what Mr. Buckley said,
Mr. England her& is a big valu& to all our property up through there. b&cause b&cause
the. addition h& wants for his entry way, there's anoth&r road that's going to
&nhance that property tr&m&ndously. I know he.' s got a problem with his wat&r
and I think, with &verybody's cooperation, he'll be able to get that put in ther&
b&cause, it se.e.ms to m&, it's large enough to do th&m, be.sid&s that, h& do&sn't
hav& 10 pe.ople living in that house. Already he's bê&n a big improv&ment. I
see: it &v&ry night wh&n I come home and every morning wh&n I go up, so I'm
int&rested in having nice. prope.rty all along our side of the Lake.
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d thanks Paul. I guess we're all agreeing, but w& want to mak&
sur& th& syst&m will work. Anybody &lse in the audi&nce who cares to comment
on this? If not, I guess w& close th& public hå on this and hold th& voting
in abayanc& until we can h&ar what the County has to say and hop& that we can
get some bett&r answ&rs to the questions W&lve raised tonight.
CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d if th&re is no further quarr&l with this, w&'ll hav& a motion
to table..
MRS. YORK-Asked do you want to just have thes& two p&titions on the first meeting
for next month. Is that my understanding.
MR. ROBERTS-State.d the. gentleman is not sur& he can be ready by that tim&.
MR. ENGLAND-Stated min&, I just speak for myself, I'd like to put it off furth&r
than that, if I could.
MRS. YORK-Stated ok, b&caus& the Board usually doesn't like: to table. more: than
thre:& months at a time..
MR. ENGLAND-Stat&d w&l1, no, I'll definitely mak& sure I make it b&fore th&n.
Thank you.
MR. SMITH-Stat&d I've got a probl&m with ours be:ing postpon&d, but I'll speak
to that later.
MR. CARTIER-Asked, Mr. England, do you have a copy of the: comme:nts from
MR. ENGLAND-Stated yes, I do.
MR. ROBERTS-Aske:d any other r&ason why we shouldn't agree. to postpon& this then?
MR. HAGAN-Aske:d why are we tabling th& Smith's.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated be:cause: th& County didn't address this, Jim.
MR. HAGAN-Stated ok.
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MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 10-90 FRANK W. AND KATHLEEN V. ENGLAND, Introduced
by Carol Pulver who moved for its adoption, seconded by James Hagan:
Until Mr. England can come back with more information which will be within three
months.
Duly adopted this 20th day of February, 1990, by the following VOtè:
AYES: Mr. Hagan, Mr. Cartier, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Robèrts
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Dybas, Mr. Caimano
/)lV SIm PLAII RO. 11-90 TYPE II WR-lA I<AIIOLYH W. SMITH ROIlTH 011 CLEVEIIDALJ! ROAD,
'J.,'D SECOND LEFT ON HILLMAN ROAD, PROPERTY AT JUNCTURE OF HILLMAN AND LAKE SERVICE
~'- ./ ROAD FOR AN ADDITION OF A COVERED WHARF CONFORMING WITH QUEENSBURY AND LGPC
/' REGULATIONS FOR USE BY OWNER ONLY. (WARREN COUNTY PLANNING) TAX MAP NO. 8-12-34.2
LOT SIZE: 0.557 ACRES SECTION 4.020-D
STAFF INPUT
Notes from John Goralski, Plannèr (attached)
MR. ROBERTS-Asked, Lèè, can Wè step back a minute with thè last projèct. Whl:re
do Wè stand with SEQRA, actually on both of thèsè, although thèy'rè dissimilar.
This onè, wè'rè talking about just a dock, and that isn't going to triggèr SEQRA,
I would assume, but how about the last onè?
MRS. YORK-Statèd it is rècommènded that thè England's projèct bè considèred a
Typè II action becausè it would bè, undèr SEQRA, a construction of a minor structure
appurtènant to an èxisting facility. So you could consider it a TYPè II action,
in which caSè, you would not have to addrèss SEQRA.
MR. ROBERTS-Statèd finè.
MRS. YORK-Statèd that's thê Board's decision.
You can do whatever you choose.
MR. ROBERTS-Askêd is it alright to forgèt SEQRA in this rêgard?
at thosê issuês, whèther you call it SEQRA or whèthèr you don It.
looking at the issuès that would bè triggered by SEQRA, I would think.
Wè I rè looking
I mêan, Wè' re
MR. CARTIER-Stated I don It know, do Wê havê to decidê that tonight?
MR. ROBERTS-Stated well, I think Wê might not want to put that off, if all things
fall in place.
MR. CARTIER-Stated the rêason I asked that, if Wê dêcide to go that routè, some
of thê things that are going to be addressed in thè enginêèring staff's comments
also fit into ..SEQRA kind of thing too.
MR. ROBERTS-Statêd alright, lêt's put it off.
MR. CARTIER-Stated I gUèss what r'm saying is, bêfore I decide, I'd like to have
anSWêrs to the issues that Mr. Gannett made.
MR. ROBERTS-Statêd ok, let I s put it off then. Pllt a question mark as to whether
or not we want to waivè that or not waivè it.
MR. SMITH PRESENT
MR. SMITH-Statèd I havê two commènts rèlativê to the application. First of all,
complying with your date of submission, I submitted it for this Board meeting,
I have arrangêd for a contractor. As you may know, itls very difficult to gèt
a contractor to build a dock on Lake George. I have spent some money to securè
a time in his schedule to build it. Postponing this project will imposè a hardship
on us. Secondly regarding thê ramp, if we do put a ramp, it will be on thè
northwest cornèr of that, 30 inches wide, going from the top of the deck to the
property at the same elevation.
MR. HAGAN-Statèd I havê a qUèstion rêgarding thè site plan, as to why you Sèt
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th~ dock at th~ angl~ you hav~ b~caus~, actually, if you ~xt~nd it out to th~
shor&lin&, it's 43 f&&t and I think 40 f&&t is th& maximum allow&d.
MR. SMITH-Stat&d forty f&&t in a p&rp&ndicular dir&ction from th& land and I b&li&v&
th& drawing shows som& 37 f&&t.
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d y&s.
MR. SMITH-Stat&d if my int&rpr&tation is corr&ct, w& ar& within th&
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d w&ll, ok, but you'V& rais&d an issu& h&r& that b&comes som&what,
for m& anyway, an int&rpr&tiv& issu&. Pl&as& don't misund&rstand ma. I'm
addr&ssing what Mr. Hagan. .too. W& do hav& a 40 foot limit on th& l&ngth of th&
dock, th& radius offshore:, th& radius as m&asur&d parpandicular to th& shor&lin&
and so on. Unfortunatèly, I hav& a s&rious probl&m with that thr&& f&&t
ovar.. b&causa Ilm afraid that what will happ&n is th& prolif&ration of this kind
of thing wh&r& the: docks ar& twiste:d at an angle: to th& shore:lin& in ord&r to
incre:asa dock l&ngth and still b& und&r the: 40 foot. It s&ams to m&, with a
ralativ&ly minor adjustm&nt to th& south, W& could aliminat& that axtra 3 f&e:t
and g&t it back to 40 f&e:t so that we:'re: not in an ar&a that's ...
MR. SMITH-Stat&d th& dock was locate:d with tha advice: of paopla
of things and sugg&stad that W& put it in in that dir&ction.
was from tha Planning De:partm&nt. So, if tha inte:rpr&tat ion
what we:'ve: be:an told, W& will addr&ss it.
who do the:sa kinds
Our int&rpratation
is diffarant from
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d what I'm saying is that, is th&r& a gre:at d&al of problam with
rotating it slightly?
MR. SMITH-Stat&d w& hav& it pOint&d in th& dir&ction that it's in.
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d I'm not talking about pointing it in th& othar dir&ction or
anything lik& that. IIm saying with a v&ry slight changa, wa can g&t in this
3 f&at and shorte:n this up so it is 40 f&at. What I'm afraid of is, in th& futur&,
P&Op16 coming in with dock 16ngths, 47, 48, 50 h&t long and b& abl& to do that
by twisting the:m slightly th& way you'r& doing.
MR. SMITH-Aske:d, do&s the: drawing show 43 fe:&t?
MR. HAGAN-State:d ye:s.
MR. ROBERTS-State:d m&asuring it, though, pe:rpe:ndicular, th&y g&t it down to 37
fe:e:t.
MR. CARTIER-State:d I und&rstand that.
MR. ROBERTS-State:d now you're: m&asuring it from shor&line:.
MR. CARTIER-State:d I fully und&rstand what you'r& saying.
KAROLYN SMITH
MRS. SMITH-State:d I think it was se:t in at that ang16 to conform with th& angb
of th& house:. Also, th& ic& flow, it was r&commande:d to us that w& put it in
at that angl& b&caus& W& would g&t th& chanc& of ic&.
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d I'm not asking for a dramatic chang& in angl& h&re:.
a v&ry slight change: in angl& would ge:t us back to 40 f&e:t.
I think
MRS. SMITH-Stat&d it was not put in th&r& to g&t an additional 3 f&&t.
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d what I'm trying to avoid is ope:ning Pandora's box he:r& for
futur& docks.
MR. SMITH-Stat&d on& othe:r comme:nt as to th& location. If you have: visite:d th&
sit&, you will not& th& dock to th& south. This ke:e:ps that dock ope:n for
navigation. Rotating it in the: oth&r dir&ction will m&an to clos& down Mr.
Buckl&y's acce:ss to his dock. W& would probably pr&f&r to shorte:n th& dock, if
that's what you're: int&rpre:tation is.
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d...l&av& it th& sam& angle:, but shorte:n it.
MR. SMITH-Stat&d so you hav& 43 to 40 f&at. Wa would agr&& to do that.
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MR. ROBERTS-Asked, is that something that everybody feels is important, although,
I guess, except we' rè not going to vote on this tonight anyway. We can have a
difference of opinion in the future maybe.
MR. HAGAN-Asked, why are we not voting on this?
MR. ROBERTS-Stated because the County hasn't had a crack at it.
the paperwork did not get procèssed by the County. Without
don't know anymore than that.
Some how or other,
assessing blame, I
MR. CARTIER-Asked, is the applicant been given any idea when thè County is going
to address it?
MRS. YORK-Stated the nèxt County meeting, when is it, Jim?
MR. HAGAN-Stated I think itls the 3rd Wednesday of the month.
MRS. YORK-Stated I think it's the 2nd Wednesday of the month.
MR. SMITH-Stated I have a tentative contract to begin construction March 1st based
upon getting it in before the ice is removed and I understand you I re problem,
but I guess I ask why, you're imposing a hardship on me because of somè mistake
that's been made here by the Town.
MR. HAGAN-Stated not by the Town.
MR. SMITH-Stated or by, I'm not sure who it is.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated this does put us between a rock and a hard place. The County's
not meeting before next week, I guess. We know that.
MS. CORPUS-Stated Mr. Chairman, I know you don't like to do it, at least you don't
like to make a practice of making contingènt approvals, but this does seem to
be a rare occurrence or a fluke, so to speak. That is one option, if the Board
wishes to take some action. Again, the County's approval would have to be addressed
because if the County denies this project, this Board would have to overrule that
by a majority plus one, which is the special vote. So, that would be up to the
Board if you wish to make a contingent approval or not or table it.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated I don't know where to assess blame for what happened and maybe
that is reason enough to consider this.
MR. CARTIER-Stated I don't think that I s going to help the applicant because he's
still got to go to County.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated it might help about a week or something. It has to go to the
County for probably the 2nd Wednesday in the month, when is it?
MRS. YORK-Stated I believe it is the 2nd Wednèsday in thè month.
MR. ROBERTS-Stated our mèèting is not until the 3rd Tuesday.
the procèss up somèwhat.
That would speed
MS. CORPUS-Statèd and then therè would bè that considèration if the County did
dèny it and you wishèd to rèhear it again to OVèrturn it.
MR. CARTIER-Stated wèll, therè' s a coupl& of things, anyway. We I d be adding an
awful lot of contingènciès hèrè and thè applicant has agreèd to shortèn it threè
fèèt and I'd likè to Sèe that. Secondly, the applicant has also indicated a
stairway or walkway tó thè dèck. It doesn't show on the plan.
MR. HAGAN-Statèd if you havè a ramp from thè shorèlinè to thè dèck, from previous
expèrièncè I can tèll you thè County will turn it down.
MR. SMITH-Asked, do you havè a rècommèndation?
MR. HAGAN-Statèd YèS. You can build a stairwell down to your dock and then back
up to your dock and they'll accèpt it. That dOèsn't mean Wè can't overrulè.
MR. ROBERTS-Statèd which we did at thè last mèèting. I won't spèak for all of
us, but most of us don It necèssarily agrèe with that philosophy, dèpènding on
thè shorèlinè, obviously.
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MR. HAGAN-Statèd thè philosophy bèhind it is that it always Sèèms to bè that pèoplè
with narrow shorèfronts arè thè onèS èxpanding thèir propèrty by building a ramp
from thèir..to thèir dèck.
MR. CARTIER-Statèd thè only othèr thing I hava and it's kind of a tèchnical thing,
but it should bè on harè' too, as far as I'm concèrnèd, is that that lèngth of
dock should bè shown from mèan low watèr linè and thèra's nothing on this diagram
to indicata that that is shown as maan low watèr lina. Thè ordinancè rèads that
mèasurèmènts for docks bè takèn from tha mèan low watèr linè and tharè's nothing
on this skatch to indicatè that that's what that is.
MR. ROBERTS-Askèd, this is an opan-sidèd dock.
MR. SMITH-Statèd YèS.
MR. CARTIER-Statèd oh, that was tha othèr thing.
tha microphonè, by ownar only, usa by ownar only.
èntail. I want to gat that on rècord.
Could you dèfinè for ma, at
Just axactly what dOès that
MR. SMITH-Statèd no plans or no intèntions, whatsoèvar, to lèasè out, any spaCè
on tha dock to a third party.
MR. CARTIER-Statad third party.
MR. SMITH-Statad yèS.
MR. CARTIER-Askad who's thè sècond party?
MRS. SMITH-Statèd I own tha proparty.
MR. SMITH-Askad, is that claar anough.
MR. CARTIER-Statad yas.
MR. SMITH-Statèd thank you.
MR. ROBERTS-Askad wall, is it you' rè fèèling, than, that you' ra not willing to
do any contingancy voting on this, if it would possibly facilitata mora timè?
MR. CARTIER-Askèd, what's gainèd and what's lost? Tha County still has to look
at it.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad Wè might gain a wèak.
MR. CARTIER-Statad gain a wèèk.
MR. ROBERTS-StaUd probably six days.
MR. CARTIER-Askèd, what's lost? Do wa gat things back from thè County in thè
six day, Mrs. York?
MRS. YORK-Statad yas Wè do.
MR. CARTIER-Askad, what's lost.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad parhaps nothing if you ask thèm to submit a nèW diagram, as
you spacifièds for tha filas.
MR. CARTIER-Statad wall, I guass maybè I'm talking philosophically hèrè.
MR. ROBERTS-Statèd right.
MR. CARTIER-Statèd but thèn again, this is spècial, I don't know, mayba this is
a spècial casa.
MR. ROBERTS-Statad walva craatèd a hardship, somahow, along thè way, a papèr snaffu
or somathing.
MR. CARTIER-Statad now wait a minuta. Hèra's anothèr issuè. What if wa go ahèad
and vota on this and tha vOtè if 4-0 and thè County disapprovas it?
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MRS. YORK-Stat&d it's automatically d&ni&d and th& County do&s not lik& to r&h&ar
th& sam& application. Th&ylr& v&ry strict about that.
MR. CARTIER-Stat&d to answ&r your qu&stion h& can't g&t a building p&rmit until
h& has approval, so h& can't start. Murphy's Law strik&s again. Pot&ntially
w& gain a w&&k, w& gain th& applicant six days tim&.
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d whih w&'r& mulling this ov&r, I'll op&n th& public hå.
Do&s anybody car& to comm&nt on this proj&ct?
PUBLIC HEARING OPENED
ART BUCKLEY
MR. BUCKLEY-All I hav& to say is, I fully approv& of th&ir plans for building
a dock th&r&. It has to b& an improv&m&nt.
MR. CARTIER-I'm sp&aking only for m&. I'm uncomfortabl& with th& id&a of approving
this conting&ntly, if that's a word, for som&what selfish reasons. I want mor&
tim& to think about this. In t&rms of docks, w& hav& b&en addr&ssing th& continu&d
&xpansion of uS&S on the Lake and so on and so forth and, in fairness to th&
applicant, I'd lik& mor& tim& to think about it b&caus&, frankly, right now, if
I vot&d on this, I'm so uncomfortable with the &xpansion that's going on in th&
Lake that I'd probably vote no.
MR. ROBERTS-How èould you t&ll a man that he couldn't hav& a dock if h&'s p&rmitt&d
a dock?
MR. CARTIER-I'm not saying h& can't have a dock. I'm saying that h& canlt hav&
this dock. Mayb& something a littl& bit smal16r. That's a judg&ment call and
I think that's what a Planning Board do&s,make judgem&nt calls. All I'm sugg&sting
is I'd like mor& tim& to think about it. I'm trying to b& fair to th& applicant.
Sitting h&r& when we only have a four m&mb&r quorum, 11m thinking it I s going to
b& a 3-1 and it'll go down th& tub&s b&caus& I'm still not sur&.
MR. SMITH-Two comm&nts. On&, obviously th& proc&ss her& has b&&n faulted in som&
way and you ar& asking me to bear the hardship. I think, thinking aloud, that
do&sn't quite seem fair. Numb&r two, I would lik& you to d&fine "somewhat smaller",
if you might, so that if we hav& to r&submit, I know what "somewhat smaller" means.
I'v& tried to comply with the r&gulations very carefully. I went to the Planning
Board, they r&viewed it, said great. I w&nt to th& Lak& George Park Commission.
They reviewed it, said great and I went to the DEC. Th&y reviewed it, said gr&at.
Now I'm hearing that my interpretation and th&ir int&rpretation of the regulations
are not right. So, I need to know what "somewhat smaller" is.
MR. CARTIER-I understand and the reason 11m thinking out loud is I'm trying to
b& fair to you, ok. I'm not trying to play games here. What I'm saying is, I
want mor& time to think about it. That's to your advantage becaus&, hop&fully,
the next time you are here, th&re will be more than four memb&rs. This is
incredibly unfair to happen, to have four m&mbers sitting here. That's another
thing working in your disfavor, again, through no fault of your own.
MR. ROBERTS-Then it would app&ar the bett&r part of valor is to table this until
th& County has first crack at it which is the way it's supposed to work and in
the process, you'll have to read the Board and try to know how to satisfy m&mbers
that are here tonight or hope that we have our oth&r m&mbers when you come back.
I guess ther&ls no other solutions tonight.
MR. CARTIER-Just to finish that off perhaps.
a two prop&rties sid& by side and, as far as
of &xpansion is going on. That house that
was th&re before, is that corr&ct?
Part of my conc&rn is w&'r& looking
I'm concerned...a considerabl& amount
you hav& built is larger than what
MR. SMITH-That's right.
MR.
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CARTIER-So th&re's an
property n&xt door, in
prop&rti&s may appear to
&xpansion ther&. Th&r&'s considerable expansion in
t&rms of thre& variances. In spi t& of th& fact that
be improv&d, th&r& is consid&rabl& &xpansion.
MRS. SMITH-We're also taking a dock out.
MR. CARTIER-Y&s, I und&rstand that.
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MR. SMITH-If you vièw thè projèct in its total, I would likè to comm&nt that Wè'V&
don& somè oth&r things. Thè rèason th& variancè was approv&d and thè sètback
of only 50 f&èt on that propèrty was Wè rèmovèd thrèè cist&rns within tWèlvè fè&t
of thè Lakè. Wè movèd thèm from thè sitè and propèrly disposèd of thèm. Wè put
in a nèW, conforming sèptic systèm within OVèr a 170 fèèt from thè Lakè. Wè rèmovèd
a building within tw&lv& fè&t of th& Lakè, som&what small&r in tèrms of total
squarè footagè. Thè nèW onè is 50 fèèt back from thè Lak&. Wèlrè adding
considèrablè tax spacè to thè Town and our intènt has b&èn, without èxcèption,
to comply with thè règulations, to comply with thè procèss and I gUèss it gèts
a bit frustrating whèn you gèt to this point and you cannot èVèn find out what
thè règulations arè. If you would inform mè of your conCèrns, I would bè glad
to addrèss thèm. (TAPE TURNED) but to say that I should not bè ablè to put a
dock in, or a somèwhat small&r dock, I havè a gr&at dèal of troublè with that.
MR. CARTIER-I und&rstand èxactly what you arè saying. All I'm saying is, I want
morè timè to think about it. That may not sound fair to you, but, as far as I'm
concèrnèd, Ilm trying to bè fair and I think itls bèing morè fair to you by saying
I'd likè to think about it.
MR. SMITH-Can I makè onè rèquèst.
MR. CARTIER-Sur&.
MR. SMITH-That you communicatè your thoughts to mè so that I know how to addrèss
thèm.
MR. CARTIER-Whèn?
MR. SMITH-Whènèvèr your thèrè. I'm simply trying to comply.
MR. CARTIER-I agrèè. I undèrstand. Thank you.
MR. ROBERTS- I think you also ought to rèalizè that Wè' Vè bèèn approving docks,
about of this magnitudè, routinèly, and I think you'r& probably within your rights.
I disagrèè with Pètèr talking about trying to cut down your sizè of thè dock.
I think you' rè èntitlèd to this sizè dock. You might want to prèss that, but
I gUèss Wè arè still at a point in tabling this. Wè might as wèll havè a motion
to that èffèct.
MOTION TO TABLE SITE PLAN NO. 11-90 KAROLYN W. SMITH, Introducèd by JamèS Hagan
who movèd for its adoption, sècondèd by Pêtèr Cartiêr:
To rèspèct dUè procêss, if not in agrèèmènt with thè applicant, that this sit&
plan bè tablèd until thè County has had timé to také thêir nècèssary action.
Duly adoptèd this 20th day of Fêbruary, 1990, by thè following vot&:
AYES: Mr. Hagan, Mr. Cartièr, Mrs. Pulver, Mr. Robèrts
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Dybas, Mr. Caimano
MR. ROBERTS-Stat&d Wè might just as wèll kèêp thè public hèaring opèn.
MOTION TO ADJOURN THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING OF THE QUEENSBURY PLABNING BOARD,
Introducèd by Pètèr Cartiêr who movèd for its adoption, sècondêd by Carol Pulvêr:
Duly adoptèd this 20th day of Fèbruary, 1990, by thè following VOtê:
AYES: Mr. Hagan, Mr. Cartiêr, Mrs. Pulvèr, Mr. Robêrts
NOES: NONE
ABSENT: Mr. Dybas, Mr. Caimano
On motion mêêting was adjournèd.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
Richard Robèrts, Chairman
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OLD BUSINESS:
Patition for a
Changa of Zona P2-90
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Sita Plan No. 85-89
Sit a Plan No. 3-90
Sit a Plan No. 77-89
Subdivision No. 22-1989
PRELIMINARY STAGE
NEW BUSINESS:
Sita Plan No. 9-90
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LOCATION MAPS
February 20, 1990 Planning M6eting
Robart and Shirlay Sandars
*Diana Carp6nt6r (Staff Not6s and Map attach6d)
Ann6 Parrott
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John Doty d/b/a U-R6nt All (Staff Notas attach6d)
Scott McLaughlin (Staff Not6s and Map attachad)
Shultz Subdivision (Staff Not6s attach6d)
Arzalia H. Shultz
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Plaftfti"8 Department
-NOTE TO FILE-
Mrs. Lee A. Yark, Senior Planner
Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner
Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner
Date: February 2., 1990
By: Lee A. York
Area VariaDce
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AppUc:aDt'. Name:
Robert and Shirley Sanders / Diane Carnenter
MeetiDa Date:
Februarv 2.0. 1990
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When the Planning Board reviewed the Sanders' Petition for Rezoning, !hey recommended
tmat the neighboring property owners be contacted to see if they wanted to join the Petition.
Diane Carpenter, the adjacent neighbor, has joined the Petition to be rezoned U-1A.
The Carpenter property is a salvage yard of ±5 acres north of Sanders Road and
east of VanDusen. The property abuts the Niagara Mohawk property which would cUlTently
act as a natural buffer area. The salvage yard is a Light Industrial use and is cUZTently
considered a preexisting nonconforming use.
I have added the Carpenter property to Petition No. 2.-90 (P2.-9C1)1 rather than have
a new Petition created. The Board can use the existing documentation in its review.
Our attorney suggested that you, once again, review the Petition and pass a resolution
addressing both properties. '
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Would you please table my site plan review until your March
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a septic variance to the Town Board. Thank you again for your continued
assistance and understanding in this matter.
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PlAnning Department
-NOTE TO FILE-
Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner
Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner
Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner
Date: February 13, 1990
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Area VaaUDce
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Applicatioa Number:
Site Plan Review No. 85-89
Applicant's Name:
John Doty d/b/a U-Rent All
MeetiDg Date:
February 20, 1990
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This application was tabled by the Board at the January 16, 1990 meeting
for submission of additional information. At this time, the public hearing
was kept open.
In response to the Board's recommendation, the applicant has submitted a
more detailed site plan. This plan shows a berm along the northerly boundary
of the Wynn property to direct drainage away from their poorly drained "wet"
area. Vegetative screening buffers have been proposed for the north and south
ends of the property to protect existing streams. A traffic flow pattern is
also clearly shown.
It should be noted that the septic tank shown under the employee parking
area is an existing condition. This septic system is scheduled to be
abandoned once this property is connected to the Town sewer.
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February 15, 1990
RFA #89-5000.03
Town of Queensbury Office Building
Bay and Haviland Roads
Queensbury, NY 12804
Attn: Ms. Lee York, Sr. Planner
Re: John Doty, Site Plan 3-90
Dear Ms. York:
All eng ineering cOßlßents have been sat isfactorily addressed on the
above referenced project.
Very truly yours,
~ïROST
~~~annett, P.E.
Ma~i~g Project Engineer
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PlAnni"fJ Department
-NOTE TO FILE-
Mrs. Lee A. York,Senior Planner
Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner
Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner
Date: February 16. 1990
By: Stuart G. Baker
Area Variance
Uøe Variance
- Sign Variance
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Other:
SubdiWIioa: Sketch, _ PrelimiDary,
X Site Plan R~ew -
- Petition for a ChaDge of Zone
- Freshwater WetlaDda Permit
FiDal
Applicatioa Number:
Site Plan No. 77-89
Applicant's Name:
MeetiDg Date:
Scott McLaugh lin
February 20. 1990
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This Site Plan Review submission was tabled by the applicant in December,
1989. Since that time new information has been submitted which addresses the
engineering concerns raised by Rist-Frost. However, some Planning concerns
remain which must be addressed.
The aesthetic impact of the applicants equipment sales and repair
business must be minimized. The Board may wish to approve the application
with the following stipulation:
That the applicant submit to the Planning Dept. a plan showing the
following details:
A) Location of all required buffer zones
B) Location and maximum number of equipment to be parked on premises
Such a plan submitted would serve as a basis upon which the Zoning
Administrator can enforce new and past conditions placed upon this use of this
property.
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SITE PlAN REVIEW NO. 7 7 -8q
February 15, 1990
RFA #89-5000.077
)LANNING a ZONINc,
nEPARTMENT
Town of Queensbury Office Building
Bay and Haviland Roads
Queensbury, NY 12804
Attn: Ms. Lee York, Sr. Planner
Re: Scott McLaughlin, Site Plan 77-89
Dear Ms. York:
We have reviewed the above referenced project in regards to the
previous engineering comments. We feel that all engineering concerns
have been adequately addressed. As correctly noted by the applicant,
the use of pretreatment with seepage pits was a recommendation and not
a requirement for smaller projects.
Very truly yours,
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Æ~nnett, P.E.
Man~ing Project Engineer
P.C.
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Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner
Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner
Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner
Date: February 13, 1990
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U. Variance
- Sign Variance
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Applicaticm Number:
Subdivision No. 22-1989
Applicant'. Name:
Arzelia H. Shultz
MeetÜIg Date:
Februarv 20. 1990
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The applicant received Sketch Plan approval at the December 26, 1989
Planning Board Meeting.
The following alterations have been made on the Sketch Plan: the driveway
on Lot I has been moved westerly, fill septic fields have been added on Lots I
& 2, sewage design parameters were amended, and a grading plan has been shown.
It should also be noted that a large area of Lots I & 2 has been shown to
remain in its natural fields/brush state.
The Board may wish to have the applicant show wh ich, if any, roads ide
trees will be removed for the proposed driveways. Also, the location of
telephone and electrical lines to the proposed homes should be noted on the
Final plat.
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Bay and Haviland Roads
Queensbury, NY 12804
Attn: Ms. Lee York, Sr. Planner
Re: Shultz Subdivision,
Subdivision 22-1989, Preliminary
Dear Ms. York:
We have reviewed the above referenced project and have the following
comments:
1. A waiver has been requested from a drainage report since the total
impermeable area is increased by only 1%. It is agreed that due to
the small amount of increased runoff from the site, this request is
reasonable.
2. Erosion control measures should be provided, as necessary, in
accordance with NYS Guidel ines for Urban Erosion and Sediment
Control.
Very truly yours,
RIST-FROST P.C.
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Man~~g' Project Engineer
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Planning Department
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Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner
Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner
Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner
Date: Februarv 16. 1990
By: Stuart G. Baker
Area Variaøce
Uøe Variance
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_ Interpretation
Other:
Subdi~oa: Sketch, Prelim'
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X Site Plan Re.iew
- Petition for a Chaøge of ZoDe
- Freshwater WetJaøds Permit
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Application Number:
Site Plan No. 9-90
Applicaøt's Name:
Christopher C. & Lori L. Carte
Meeting Date:
February 20, 1990
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A number of concerns have been raised by the Engineering staff which
should be addressed before any approvals are granted.
The Board may wish to also require a clearing plan of the property, as
well as request that the proposed building site be staked out to aid in
visualizing the actual location of the proposed duplex.
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Bay and Haviland Roads
Queensbury, NY 12804
Attn: Ms. Lee York, Sr. Planner
Re: Christopher C. & Lori L. Carte
Site Plan 9-90
Dear Ms. York:
We have reviewed the above referenced project and have the following
comments:
1. A statement regarding stormwater management should be provided.
Drainage flow patterns should be indicated on the site plan.
Erosion control measures, where necessary, in accordance with NYS
Guidelines for Urban Erosion and Sediment Control, should be
provided.
2. Design calculations for the subsurface disposal system should be
provided including the design flow.
3. A percolation test with test pit log indicating the test date and
depth to groundwater, mottling or bedrock should be provided.
4. Two absorption fields connected to one septic tank are not recom-
mended unless a siphon or other method ensuring proper dosing of
each field is used. The use of one septic tank for each field would
be advisable.
5. The sizing of the water line should be provided since it serves a
two family house, with 400± feet of line.
Very truly yours,
'Ø}ROST A
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Mana ing Project Engineer
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Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner
Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner
Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner
Date:
February 20. 1990
John Goralski
By:
Area Variance
Use Variance
- Sign Variance
- Interpretation
SubdiYision: Sketch, _ Pre1imiDary,
-X Site Plan Review -
- Petition for a Change of Zone
- Freshwater Wetlands Permit
Final
Other:
Application Number:
Site Plan Review No. 10-90
Applicant'. Name:
Frank & Kathleen En2land
Meeting Date:
Februarv 20. 1990
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The Englands wish to add 731 sq. ft. of building area to a house on a
9,320 sq. ft. lot. The Board of Health has granted a sept ic variance for a
new septic system and the Z.B.A. has granted a shoreline setback variance.
The Englands are proposing to install three drywells to handle the
stormwater runoff from the addition and the existing structure.
It appears that the Englands have gone to some lengths to mil igate any
problems caused by the addition. What the Planning Board must consider is
whether the expansion on a significantly undersized lake shore lot is
appropriate in this case.
I would recommend that this be considered a Type II action (construction
of a minor structure appurtenant to an existing facility). Therefore, SEQRA
does not need to be addressed.
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February 15, 1990
RFA #89-5000.010
Town of Queensbury Office Building
Bay and Haviland Roads
Queensbury, NY 12804
Attn: Ms. Lee York, Sr. Planner
Re: Frank W. and Kathleen V. England
Site Plan 10-90
Dear Ms. York:
We have reviewed the above referenced project and have the following
comments:
1. Construction details for the drywells and septic system expansion
should be provided.
2. Percolation test(s) with test pit data indicating test date and
depth to groundwater, mottling and bedrock should be provided. Two
percolation tests should be made for each pit, one at halfway depth
and another at the floor of the pit.
3. An 8' diameter x 12' deep seepage pit is proposed for the septic
system expansion. Due to the depth of the pit, test pit data will
need to be considered before the size of the pit is approved. If
the percolation rate is slower than 30 min/inch seepage pits are
not recommended. If the percolation rate is faster than 5 min/inch,
it is recommended that seepage pits not be allowed unless extensive
pretreatment is provided.
5. Drainage calculations for the drywells shown, should be provided.
6. Although there, is no increased water usage at this time, if
addit ional bedrooms are added in the future, the sept ic system
adequacy would need to be checked.
7. Provide erosion control measures in accordance with NYS Guidelines
where necessary to protect the lake.
Very truly yours,
~~OST, OCIATES, ..
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Ma~i~g Project Engineer
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P12nning Department
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Mrs. Lee A. York, Senior Planner
Mr. John S. Goralski, Planner
Mr. Stuart G. Baker, Assistant Planner
Date: February 15. 1990
By: John GOT~l~ki
Area VariaDce
Uøe Variance
- Sign Variance
== Interpretation
Other:
SubdiYÜlioa.: Sketch, _ Pt'eIimiDary.
---X.... Site Plan Reriew
Petition fer a CbaDge of Zone
- Freshwater WetJaDds Permit
FiDal
ApplicatiaD Number:
Site Plan Review No. 11-90
Applicant's Name:
Karolyn W. Smith
MeetiDg Date:
February 20. 1990
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The applicant wishes to construct a 667 square foot U-shaped crib dock
and boathouse. They also propose to remove an existing dock on the property
to the north.
The plans provided do not show any access to the top of the boathouse.
If there is going to be a ramp or stairway, it should be indicated on the
plan. This may add to the visual impact of the project.
The Planning Board should consider the cumulative impact of continued
development along the shoreline.
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