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1996-11-26 QUEENS BURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SECOND REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 26, 1996 INDEX Subdivision No. 8-1996 FINAL STAGE L. Rae Gillis Tax Map Nos. 23-1-29.1, 29.21 1. Site Plan No. 71-96 Glenn Batease Tax Map No. 135-2-2.2 2. Site Plan No. 72-96 Glens Falls Independent Living Center Tax Map No. 62-1-4.1, 4.2, 5 8 . THESE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED MINUTES AND ARE SUBJECT TO BOARD AND STAFF REVISIONS. REVISIONS WILL APPEAR ON THE FOLLOWING MONTHS MINUTES (IF ANY) AND WILL STATE SUCH APPROVAL OF SAID MINUTES. '-' (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) QUEENS BURY PLANNING BOARD MEETING SECOND REGULAR MEETING NOVEMBER 26, 1996 7:00 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT ROBERT PALING, CHAIRMAN GEORGE STARK TIMOTHY BREWER ROGER RUEL DAVID WEST CRAIG MACEWAN MEMBERS ABSENT CATHERINE LABOMBARD PLANNER-GEORGE HILTON PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY-MILLER, MANNIX & PRATT, MARK SCHACHNER STENOGRAPHER-MARIA GAGLIARDI OLD BUSINESS: SUBDIVISION NO. 8-1996 FINAL STAGE TYPE: UNLISTED L. RAE GILLIS OWNER: L. RAE GILLIS, LITO ABRAMS ZONE: RR-5A LOCATION: LOCKHART MT. RD. PROPOSALS FOR A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION. CROSS REFERENCE: UV 82-1990 SUB. 3-1994 TAX MAP NOS. 23-1-29.1, 29.21 LOT SIZE: +/- 21.65 ACRES SECTION: SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS MR. PALING-Is there someone here for the applicant? No? That's all right. There doesn't really have to be, in this case. STAFF INPUT Notes from Staff, Subdivision No. 8-1996, Subdiv. 8-1996 Final Stage, L. Rae Gillis Meeting Date: November 26, 1996 "The applicant is seeking final approval of a subdivision on Lockhart Mountain Road. The applicant received preliminary approval for this application on November 19, 1996. The applicant plans a two lot subdivision of an approximately 12.5 acre lot zoned RR-SA. Staff recommends approval of this subdivision plat which will be recorded with the Warren County Register of Deeds be modified to exclude the southern 8 acre lot shown on the existing map. This lot is not a part of the subdivision and should be removed before the lot split is made official." MR. PALING-And they indicated they would do that, at the last meeting. MR. HILTON-Yes. MR. PALING-Okay. We've had a public hearing on this. It was Unlisted, so we must have done the SEQRA, too. So I think we can go right to a, unless there's a question on this? MR. WEST-Wasn't there a question on the boat storage up there? MR. HILTON-Yes, and John just wanted me to let the Board know that he is still looking into that, and he will have an answer for you at some point, certainly by next meeting. MR. PALING-Okay. Fine. MR. RUEL-Before you go on, I would just like to congratulate Mr. - 1 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) Hilton on the very elegant Staff Notes. MR. HILTON-I actually have to say congratulations to Pam Whiting. She did a nice job. MR. PALING-Lets hope it will stay that way. MR. RUEL-It's nice. MR. PALING-Okay. Do I hear a motion on this? MOTION TO APPROVE FINAL STAGE SUBDIVISION NO. 8-1996 L. RAE GILLIS, Introduced by George Stark who moved for its adoption, seconded by Roger Ruel: with the stipulation that when the plat is submitted for signature by Bob that the southern most lot is excluded from the plot plan. Duly adopted this 26th day of November, 1996, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. West¡ Mr. Brewer, Mr. MacEwan, Mr. Stark, Mr. Ruel, Mr. Paling NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mrs. LaBombard MR. PALING-Okay. NEW BUSINESS: SITE PLAN NO. 71-96 TYPE II GLENN BATEASE OWNER: SAME ZONE: LI -lA LOCATION: 71 BIG BOOM ROAD PROPOSAL IS TO ADD COURIER SERVICE. NO ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS, COURIER SERVICE WILL OCCUPY A PORTION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. ALL LAND USES IN LI ZONES ARE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD. WARREN CO. PLANNING BOARD. WARREN CO. PLANNING: 11/13/96 TAX MAP NO. 135-2- 2.2 LOT SIZE: 7.16 ACRES SECTION: 179-26 GLENN BATEASE, PRESENT MR. PALING-The Warren County Planning, they said No County Impact I think? MR. HILTON-Yes. STAFF INPUT Notes from Staff, Site Plan No. 71-96, Glenn Batease, Meeting Date: November 26, 1996 "The applicant is proposing to use an existing building as a courier service business on property zoned LI-IA. All land uses in the LI-1A district require site plan approval by the Planning Board. No new buildings will be constructed and there is adequate parking to serve this new business. This site plan conforms to the density and permeability requirements for the LI-1A zone." MR. HILTON-And Staff recommends approval of Site Plan No. 71-96. MR. PALING-Okay. Is there someone here from the applicant? Would you come up and identify yourself, please. MR. BATEASE-I'm Glenn Batease. MR. STARK-Glenn, I was out there today and I noticed that some of the vans are already parked there. I forget, when you came in originally with Seeley, how many bathrooms have you got in the - 2 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) place or toilets? MR. BATEASE-There's one toilet. MR. STARK-That's it? MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. STARK-Okay. How many more people will be using it because of the courier service? Nobody? MR. BATEASE-Well, in mY end, I don't have a bathroom. So, the courier service has one. I've got the plumbing, but I've got to run it over. MR. STARK-Now, this is Led Foot out there now? MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. STARK-Okay. How many vans are they going to keep out there? MR. BATEASE-Ten. MR. STARK-They're going to be outside? MR. BATEASE-The vans? MR. STARK-Yes. MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. BREWER-So there'll be ten vans in there all day long, or they'll leave in the morning and then come back at night? MR. BATEASE-Well, see, a lot of their business is, they deliver a lot of the Post Star, you know, the main drop offs. So a lot of them go at night and then a few of them, they've got two runs that go to Plattsburg every day and then the other ones, they do a lot of the bank stuff, you know, letters and stuff. MR. BREWER-So basically they're going to leave in the morning, come back at night? MR. BATEASE-Yes. It's not like in and out. They just go. MR. STARK-What do they keep inside, just the packages and stuff? MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. RUEL-Is this the former Led Foot courier? MR. BATEASE-Yes, Led Foot U.S. Deliveries. MR. RUEL-Yes, well they had about at least a dozen trucks. MR. BATEASE- Yes, they have ten. See they moved the main headquarters down below by Albany somewhere. This was a corporate office up here in their old place and they didn't need so many offices. So they moved the headquarters down below and they just continue the drop point. MR. WEST-So they're shutting down the Luzerne Road operation? MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. RUEL-I noticed one day they were all gone. MR. BREWER- I've got one more question. When we originally approved - 3 - .~ (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) this, was there one entrance to this between the two buildings, now there's another driveway over here, is that so, or did we approve one or two? Does anybody remember? MR. BATEASE-Well, the one driveway in between the two buildings, that's Seeley and myself share that one. That's the right-of-way between the two buildings, and then they have their own, well you see on the map, they've got their own in and out. MR. BREWER-So does that need a, that probably doesn't need a permit, does it, George? MR. BATEASE-I think you're allowed two in's and out's. MR. HILTON-The drives that are there right now, they're all pre- existing. MR. BREWER-We approved one originally, didn't we? MR. STARK-Tim, I can't tell you. I don't remember. MR. BREWER-He's adding another one. MR. HILTON-If you're adding another curb cut, I'm trying to think if this is a County Road or not. You'd certainly need to apply for a curb cut permit from either the County or from our Highway Department, and if the Board wanted to through that in as a condition. MR. BREWER-No, I just remembered that, originally, there was a curb cut down by the other road coming in, and we asked them to move it and they did, and I just couldn't remember if that other driveway was there or not. MR. PALING-I mean, moved it up to the one in the middle between the buildings is now? MR. BREWER-Remember how they had it down here before? MR. PALING-I don't, no. MR. HILTON-No. MR. BATEASE-Well, John from the Town told me, see, there were three at one time. There was one between the two buildings, and then I had one right where that one is now, and then there was another one right across from UPS that came down in side ways, and he said I couldn't have three. So he wanted me to block that one off. So I blocked that one off and he said it was all right. MR. PALING-That's the one to the north you blocked off? MR. BATEASE-Yes, right across from the UPS. MR. PALING-The one between the building stays there and the one below, which would be Seeley's below the welding shop stays, too. Right? MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. STARK-You're keeping the north one and the center one? MR. PALING-This is the middle one, and this is the one that would service here, right? MR. BATEASE-Yes, that's for Seeley's welding shop. MR. PALING-And then this was cut off. - 4 - ~. (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. PALING-All right. Can we consider the two he's talking about existing. That's what I was doing, right or wrong. MR. HILTON-It's my understanding in a situation like that, the two are pre-existing and they're operational, if John observed there were three and told them to close one of them down, it seems to me that the plan shows only two. As long as he conforms with this plan and conforms with what John told him, I think everything, you know, site plan is okay. MR. STARK-There's enough frontage there. MR. BREWER-I don't have a problem with that. I just couldn't remember whether we had, I knew that the one on the south end they had to close. It just looked like it was a new driveway, that's all. MR. PALING-Well, one on the north end I think, Tim, you mean had to be closed. The one on the south end goes into Seeley's, and the one in the middle would service where Led Foot is going. Then on the north side is the one that's closed off. MR. BREWER-This one up here is closed? MR. PALING-Where it says, under "Boom". MR. BREWER-Right. MR. PALING-Yes, that's closed off. MR. BREWER-Okay. So the other two would be existing, and it looks all right. It looks like we'd approve it that way anyway, if not already. MR. MACEWAN-I have a question for Staff. On the issue of the bathrooms. He only has one. Does he need more? Has he got enough to accommodate or what? MR. HILTON-The applicant's going to be required to apply for a building permit for this, at which time Dave Hatin, our Building and Codes Director, will look over the plan. If he feels that there's need for increased septic or another bathroom, he will require that at that time. MR. PALING-And that won't require any review by us? MR. HILTON-No, not at all. 1 MR. PALING-It'll just be done through the Building? MR. HILTON-Yes. MR. PALING-Okay. All right. We'll open the public hearing on this matter, if anyone cares to speak. PUBLIC HEARING OPENED NO COMMENT PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. PALING-This is a Type II. So we don't need to do anything. We can go right to a motion. MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 71-96 GLENN BATEASE, Introduced by Roger Ruel who moved for its adoption, seconded by George Stark: - 5 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) To add courier service and occupy a portion of the existing building, with the condition that a new driveway be added on the north side of the equipment workshop building, and continued use of the shared driveway on the southern side of the building between the applicant and Seeley. Duly adopted this 26th day of November, 1996, by the following vote: MR. MACEWAN-Did you want to put it in the motion that the northerly driveway not be used? MR. RUEL-I don't think you need. I think that was done already. MR. BREWER-That's the one that's opening up? MR. PALING-The one right under "Boom". MR. BREWER-No, not that one. opened up. The one north is the one he just MR. PALING-Isn't that what you and I just agreed to? closing this off up here? You're MR. BATEASE-No, no. See, there was one that came down here across from UPS. John asked me if I could close that one down. MR. MACEWAN-So there's four driveways. MR. BATEASE-Well, this is my property here, and this is Seeley's property. MR. MACEWAN-I don't care who's property it is. driveways in there, right? There are four MR. BREWER-When we approved this, we approved it as a site plan, and then they subdivided it. So we approved two driveways on that parcel, and when they split it, he had one and Seeley had one, as I remember it. Originally we had a problem with the driveway down where Big Boom splits off and Channel Road, there was one down there, remember? We had him move it up? MR. PALING-But that's the Seeley entrance now. MR. BREWER-Right. Now that's the Seeley. The other one was (lost word) . MR. MACEWAN-That's the delivery entrance. MR. BATEASE-Right, for Seeleys. MR. STARK-And now you've got the center and the courier service entrance. MR. BREWER-Now there's another one, yes. MR. BATEASE-And John asked me to close this one down here. He said you can have this one and this one, but you can't have a third one. That's the one that came across from UPS. MR. MACEWAN-But this site plan was only approved for two driveways. There are three shown on here. MR. BATEASE-Right. MR. BREWER-That was what my question was. MR. RUEL-Which one should be closed? - 6 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. STARK-The one furthest north, Rog. MR. PALING-There were two drives up there, Roger. They're going to close this one up here. We've got a drive here, and we've got a drive here, and we've got one here. That's what Tim's point is. MR. HILTON-If I could have just one second. If there's a previous site plan on this property, and there have been conditions attached to that, that the site will operate on a limited number of driveways, I think the Planning Board can easily make a motion that says that no more new driveways be created that conflict with the previously approved site plan. I'm just saying, just to clear up the confusion. MR. BREWER-I don't have a problem with closing one and opening another one. MR. RUEL-With the condition that no new driveways be opened? MR. HILTON-Sure. Than what's previously approved, what was previously approved with the previous site plan on this property? MR. RUEL-That's it. MR. PALING-I'm not that comfortable. What I wish we knew was what we approved. MR. MACEWAN-All you have to do is make a motion to approve the site plan under the condition that no additional driveways be used that were otherwise approved in the original site plan. How's that? MR. BREWER-How about we say the number? In other words, if he's relocating a driveway, that's not a big deal, is it? MR. STARK-No. The thing is, though, that he wants two entrances for his building, one on the north side and one on the south side. One for him. One for the courier service. So what's the matter with approving it, and then if John thinks he needs another curb cut, he can get it from the County. MR. BREWER-Glenn, doesn't the driveway in the center between the two buildings service you and Seeley? MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. BREWER-And then you just want to add one up further for Led Foot, right? MR. BATEASE-On the north end of the building. MR. BREWER-That's all you need then? MR. BATEASE-Yes. MR. BREWER-So you just need the one? So what's the problem with that? MR. STARK-There's no problem with that, as far as I'm concerned. MR. MACEWAN-You're adding another driveway, that's fine. MR. BREWER-If he uses Seeley's driveway, the combined one, right in the middle of the two lots, and Led Foot uses the one to the north. MR. MACEWAN-So you're going to add another driveway? There's only two approved for that site. He's adding a northern driveway. MR. PALING-All right. Could we approve this with the three - 7 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) driveways indicated on here now and talking about the elimination of the fourth? MR. PALING-You could approve it whichever. approve an additional driveway, sure. If you wanted to MR. BREWER-Bob, this site plan originally was one piece. Now it's subdivided. So we're just talking about Batease's property. So he should only have two drives on his property. Correct? MR. PALING-Right. Okay. MR. BREWER-Never mind the third one. Because that's on Seeley's property up here for him. MR. PALING-You could limit this to a driveway on either end of the building. MR. STARK-He could say the driveway on the south side is Seeley's, and he could use it, and then he's got one on the north side. MR. PALING-Well, the driveways are limited to the shared driveway between the two properties Seeley and Batease, and that there's another driveway permitted on the north side, and that's it. MR. BREWER-Would be specifically for Led Foot. MR. PALING-For Led Foot, yes. You could say that. Does that seem reasonable? Do you want to change your motion to that? MR. RUEL-With the condition that a new driveway be added on the north side of the equipment workshop building and continued use of the shared driveway on the southern side of the building between the applicant and Seeley. Is that correct? MR. PALING-Yes. AYES: Mr. Ruel, Mr. West, Mr. Brewer, Mr. MacEwan, Mr. Stark, Mr. Paling NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mrs. LaBombard MR. RUEL-I just had a comment, to Staff, this sort of an application seems to be overkill. That perhaps Staff should look into the possibility of this type being perhaps eliminated and handled some other way. I mean, it's quite an exercise. It had to go through the Warren County Planning Board. It's got to go through this Planning Board, and all for doing something inside of a building. MR. HILTON-Right. Unfortunately all land uses within the Light Industrial zone have to go before site plan, and I understand what you're saying, and we do have some interest in that, but I think we're hard at work getting a master plan written, and then after that follows the zoning changes. MR. RUEL- Yes. I think that's one of the things that's being discussed now, yes. MR. PALING-Okay. Thank you. We're all set, then. SITE PLAN NO. 72-96 TYPE: UNLISTED GLENS FALLS INDEPENDENT LIVING CENTER OWNER: SAME ZONE: HC-1A PROPOSAL IS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 9,675 SF OFFICE BUILDING AND RENOVATION OF A 1,123 SF RESIDENCE TO OFFICE SPACE FOR THE GLENS FALLS INDEPENDENT LIVING CENTER. ALL LAND USES IN HC ZONES ARE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND - 8 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD. BEAUTIFICATION COMM.: 11/11/96 TAX MAP NO. 62-1-4.1, 4.2, 5 LOT 23 JIM MILLER & TOM NACE, REPRESENTING APPLICANT, PRESENT CROSS REFERENCE: AV 107-1996 WARREN CO. PLANNING: 11/13/96 SIZE: 3.44 ACRES SECTION: 179- STAFF INPUT Notes from Staff, Site Plan No. 72-96, Glens Falls Independent Living Center, Meeting Date: November 26, 1996 liThe applicant is seeking approval to construct a new 9,675 sq. ft. office building and renovation of a 1,123 sq. ft. residence into office space. Both buildings will be used to operate the Glens Falls Independent Living Center. The project site is 3.44 acres and is zoned Highway Commercial HC-1A. The building that is to be constructed meets all required setbacks. Lot permeability and density also conform to the requirements of the HC-1A district. The new building will connect to existing sewer and water lines. A parking schedule for this type of use does not exist in the Zoning Ordinance. Therefore, the Planning Board must determine whether or not the parking shown is adequate to serve the site. One-way signs should be posted at the westerly entrance in order to prevent traffic exiting the site from that western access point. Approval from the Warren County DPW will be needed for curb cuts on a County Road. Proof of this approval can be submitted prior to the issuance of a building permit for this site. All Rist Frost comments should be addressed prior to Planning Board action on this Site Plan. Any comments from the appropriate wastewater and water departments must be addressed prior to Planning Board action." MR. HILTON-IIAt a meeting of the Warren County Planning Board, held on the 13th day of November 1996, the above application for a Site Plan Review for a new office facility for the above mentioned operation. was reviewed, and the following action was taken. Recommendation to: Approve II Signed by Linda Bassarab, Vice Chairperson. At a meeting of the Queensbury Beautification Committee on the 11th of November, the site plan was reviewed and was approved as submitted with a resolution signed by Mrs. Mary Lee Gosline. Now, as far as the Rist-Frost comments go, you should have both sheets of correspondence, one that I just handed out prior to the meeting. First of all I'll start with the letter dated November 14th that was in your packets, I believe. There's some concern, in the first question, as to this project being in the floodplain, and although it is in the floodplain, it's at an elevation above the floodplain elevation where the applicant can construct the building, but prior to construction, prior to issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy, must go through a procedure with Dave Hatin, our Building and Codes Director, where they just essentially have to fill out paper work and Dave has to inspect it and make sure that it's at the elevation that they say it will be. I've ¡confirmed that with Dave, and I think that that should complètely address any of the floodplain issues with this site. Other than the fact that Dave will be looking to make sure that the slopes are stabilized and, you know, that just everything is in order with this building, once the finished floor is poured. Warren County permits for the right-of-way, I believe that the applicant has some documentation of that. Water and sewer connections we can discuss with them. The parking, as I said, will be determined by the Board, and the stormwater management plan, in the follow up letter which you have, dated November 26th, Rist- Frost seems to be okay with the stormwater management plan, and they have alluded to what I just spoke of concerning the floodplain issue. Other than that, the comments as they've stated have been satisfactorily addressed. MR. PALING-Okay. That takes care of everything? - 9 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. HILTON-Yes. That's pretty much everything. MR. PALING-Okay, and you're contented with the reply to Rist- Frost's letter. MR. RUEL-With the exception that a permit should be required. MR. PALING-It would have to go through Dave Hatin, yes. MR. HILTON-Right, with the flood plain, and that's, you know, you can take action on the plan this evening, and really Dave won't sign off on it until construction begins anyway. MR. PALING-You're not changing elevation of anything. They're just making sure that it is what the map says it is, the elevation is? MR. HILTON-Right, exactly, and they're going out and physically inspecting it, and making sure it's at that elevation. MR. NACE-We have to provide a certificate. For the record, Tom Nace, Nace Engineering, represent ing the Independent Living Center, and Jim Miller, Miller Associates. The surveyor has to provide a certificate to Dave Hatin, that he has surveyed the floor elevation and that it's above the flood level, okay, but that's at building permit time, or actually after building permit, before a CO is issued. MR. RUEL-So you will get that permit, no problem? MR. NACE-Yes. floodplain. It's standard procedure for anything in the MR. RUEL-That answers all the Rist-Frost comments then. MR. HILTON-As far as I'm concerned, unless the Board has any questions. MR. PALING-Okay. been addressed. Parking is sufficient. All other comments have Do you have anything you want to add to this? MR. NACE-No. We do have the permit from the County, and I will provide copies of that for the Planning Department. MR. MACEWAN-Just out of curiosity, what is the water table like over there? Would that effect it at all? MR. MILLER-Well, not really because we're going to be filling quite a bit of the site. Right now the existing grade drops off from the road. So in the area where the parking lot and much of the building is going to be is going to be substantially filled. So the footings won't be very deep in the existing soil. MR. RUEL-Are you putting fill on the rear of the building also or just the front? MR. MILLER-Very little. What happens is the grade, we're filling primarily in the front of the building. The grade will drop toward the back of the building so more of the building will be exposed on the rear side to minimize the amount of fill required on the back portion of the site. MR. MACEWAN-On that back side, what's the water table like there? I mean, you've got to dig footers there. I'm assuming it's going to be a poured foundation. Isn't it? MR. MILLER-Yes. MR. MACEWAN-Well, would that be in the water table? I mean, I just - 10 - _...../ (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) know up the road over in Quaker Village you have to go down two feet before you hit water (lost words) there? MR. MILLER-They may hit some when they dig the footing and they just have to de-water the foundations, but they're not going to be very deep because at the bottom we're filling about three feet right against the wall there. MR. NACE-I think it's a little different. This site slopes down to the creek. It's several feet, maybe three or four feet when you get up toward the back of the building existing grade above the (lost words) . MR. STARK-This is higher than Quaker Village? MR. NACE-Yes. Quaker Village, that's about the same elevation at the stream bank. Here there's a couple of feet of grade distance between our site. MR. RUEL-The elevation of the footings would be about 315, you'd say, roughly, and what's the elevation of Halfway Brook? MR. NACE-The elevation of Halfway Brook in here is I think about 310 or 311. MR. RUEL-So you'll be within about seven feet of that. MR. MILLER-We're filling, the grade along the back of the building there is at 313, I think. MR. RUEL-You can't go any closer than 50 feet to the Brook, right? MR. MILLER-And Halfway Brook is down around 308. MR. RUEL-So you've got about seven or eight feet right? MR. NACE-Yes. MR. MACEWAN-In reference to the parking, the parking requirement, what are these buildings specifically going to be used for? MR. MILLER-The building is primarily used for office space. The Independent Living Center will share the building with several other similar agencies, and a large percentage of the building is going to be lobby space, kitchen/lunch area. There's conference rooms, some computer training areas and things which are shared, and they're not manned. That's why in Rist-Frost's comments, there's not employees there all the time. In Rist-Frost's comments they commented that the gross square footage that we were using for our parking projections was low, and that's why, because it's not an office situation. The other thing is that the number that we used, number of spaces projected, was what was required by the owners, and a lot of the use of this building is by handicapped, and that's why we had that large drop off area across the front of the building. So a lot of the people who are coming to this facility will be dropped off in vans, and they won't require vehicles. The other thing is, part of the reason we laid the site out the way we did is that give us some expansion to the east, if they ever did need some additional parking they could expand the parking lot in the future. MR. RUEL-Which way is north on that? MR. MILLER-Straight up. MR. RUEL-Straight up. MR. MACEWAN-How many more spaces could you put in there on the - 11 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) east? MR. MILLER-We have 25 in that lot, so we could probably get another 20. MR. STARK-What did Wiswall, Dr. Wiswall, Dr. Hoffman say, any comments from them? I know when you were out there George probably had to come across the street and talk to you. MR. MILLER-Well, Dr. Wiswall actually donated the property to the Glens Falls Independent Living Center. MR. RUEL-Do you have a rendering of an elevation? MR. MILLER-Of the building? This is the front elevation, the main entrance, and these are the other two wings where there'll be secondary entrances. You can see here the amount of common (lost words) . MR. RUEL-The reason I asked about the roof line is that most of the roofs are being drained separately, by a pipe, into wells except the rear roof, which just, what, goes into the soil? MR. MILLER-Well, we were providing an infiltration trench down along the back, a gravel trench with a timber edge. MR. RUEL-So it's a slant roof? MR. MILLER-Yes. MR. RUEL-That's what I was concerned about. I didn't know whether it was flat or slanted. MR. MILLER-No. It's going to be a metal roof. MR. RUEL-Okay. Those 400 watt lights on poles, you will be sure that they'll be oriented so as not to shine into the passing vehicles on Glenwood Avenue? MR. MILLER-Yes. What we've done is, they're cut off like located two of them at the entrance, and the type of diffuser we're using directs the light inward. So we're primarily looking at a light at the intersection areas and light the entry, and then we have one additional one in the parking lot. MR. RUEL-I wanted to be sure that none of the light was going out into the road, because that happens. MR. MILLER-No. They're cut off lights and they're directed into the parking lot. MR. RUEL-Also the smaller light, was it 100 watts along the sidewalk? MR. MILLER-Yes. MR. RUEL-I notice here you don't have any in the front of the building. MR. MILLER-Well, there's a canopy and building lighting at that entry, into the entry. So there'll be some architectural lighting in those areas, but what we did is provided pole lights in the areas where we don't have the building light. MR. RUEL-The building light, then, will compensate for that. MR. MILLER-Yes. - 12 - "-'" (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. RUEL-AII right. What do you anticipate the hours of operation, as far as the lights are concerned? DAVE WELCH MR. WELCH-My name's Dave Welch. I'm the Chairman of the Board of the Independent Living Center or President of the Board. The normal hours of operation of the building is going to be basically about nine to five. However, because of the multi agency, not for profit use of this, we expect that there will be Board meetings and so on going on in the evening hours. Rarely would they go beyond nine or nine thirty at night, but like some of your meetings, God knows they could go on until three in the morning if there's an issue, but the normal routine is that the hours would be roughly from eight a.m. until about nine p.m. MR. RUEL-Okay. Thanks. MR. WELCH-I would also say for the record, as read, it said that the Independent Living Center was the occupant. Right now, there will be four different agencies occupying this building. The Independent Living Center is the prime mover or the force behind this, and will, at least in the beginning, be the owner/operator of the building. MR. RUEL-Okay. Thanks. I had a question, it has to do with Drawing Number Three, landscaping. You show a transformer. Is this a transformer or a substation? MR. MILLER-No. MR. RUEL-It's just a transformer? MR. MILLER-It's just a standard transformer. MR. RUEL-It's just a transformer. It's next to the dumpster. Is there any way that you could change the trees to taller white pines around that area, to kind of screen it, because the ones you call for are only, what, three, four feet high? MR. MILLER-Well, we could increase the size of those, sure. MR. RUEL-You should put a little taller trees around that area I think. MR. MILLER-That's the planted size, right, but we could increase the size of that, sure. MR. MACEWAN-(Lost words) size of those, Jim? MR. MILLER-Well, White Pines would be huge. Typically in a situation like that you'd shear them and trim them back so they'd continue to screen. MR. NACE-If they're planted at four feet, White Pine will generally grow about 12 inches a year. MR. ,.. RUEL-y.es, well, what's "SB"? MR. MILLER-Service barrier, Shadblow? MR. RUEL-It's some kind of a tree? MR. MILLER-Yes, it's a shrub form, a large shrub. MR. RUEL-Yes. I thought it would be best if you had some trees there rather than shrubs. - 13 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. MILLER-Well, it will be a tree, actually, a small tree. MR. RUEL-Yes. If you could get a little larger ones, I'd be very happy. MR. MILLER-One of the reasons that that transformer is located there, that's actually about five feet below, four to five feet below the main driveway. So as you look at it when you're driving in, it'll be down and pretty much screened from sight until you get right at the top of the driveway. That really isn't out in full view. The doorway, you can see that it comes out and we have to have stairs down to it that comes out from the side to access it. MR. RUEL-Okay. On Sheet Number Two, you show an overflow there, I was just wondering, how often do you expect this overflow to be used? MR. NACE-During a 50 year storm it's used. I haven't run a 25 year storm, but I presume there would be a little bit out of the 25 year storm, very little. MR. RUEL-That's it? MR. NACE-Yes. MR. RUEL-Okay, and there's a swale way over on the right? MR. NACE-Yes. MR. RUEL-That connects to a culvert or something in the road? MR. NACE-There's an existing culvert. MR. RUEL-My question is, does road drainage go into the Halfway Brook? MR. NACE-It does now. MR. RUEL-It does now? MR. NACE-Yes. There are three road culverts there now, all of which we're picking up, and they presently drain into a series of ditches that outlay into the Brook and we're picking them all up in a pipe across the front of our site, and then outletting it in a channel, a rip rap channel that'll lead down and diffuse out toward the Brook. MR. RUEL-The reason I ask is that on some other projects, recently, that's been eliminated, where the road drainage was going directly into Clendon Brook, and now doesn't go into the Brook anYmore. It goes into special wells or something that was constructed. I was wondering, is this a standard part of the Ordinance or is it just for a particular site? MR. HILTON-No. Wherever we can, we're certainly concerned with protecting the quality of the brooks and streams and waterbodies within the Town. In a situation like this, though, Rist-Frost and Planning Staff has reviewed this and believe that there will be no more excess runoff into the Brook after development with this site. MR. NACE-These are existing road culverts that are there now, and they're from County roads. MR. RUEL-I understand. What you're doing will definitely not increase that, but I was concerned about the fact that road drainage, salt, etc., you know, going into Halfway Brook. Everyone seems to be so concerned about Halfway Brook and now we're taking road drainage and putting it right in there. - 14 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. NACE- Yes, well, Quaker Road all goes into Halfway Brook, in one form or another. There's very little we could do on this site to mitigate that because of the soils. If we had soils like you have around Clendon Brook where it's all sand, then we could have put drywells in where we have manholes there, the structures, but on this site it really wouldn't do any good. MR. MILLER-That drainage, most of the flow that comes across there is actually not from the road but it's from the properties on the north side. Those culverts were put there to allow that, from like Dr. Wiswall's property on the other side. They come across and then they ditched it down. MR. RUEL-Now, I'm satisfied that nothing that you're doing will change that condition, will not increase it, won' t decrease it either. I had one last comment, and that is, you've shown sewer connections and water connections to the existing sewer and water lines. You haven't shown any connections for Helm House. Shouldn't that be on there? MR. NACE-They're existing. It's already existing. MR. RUEL-I know, but should it be shown on the plan? MR. NACE-The existing ones? MR. RUEL-Yes, I mean, it's part of the plan. MR. NACE-Well, we're not sure exactly where they are, short of going out and digging them up, okay, and if we show them on a plan, the contractor goes digging, assuming it's where we showed it, and it's not there, or if he hits it somewhere where we haven't shown it. MR. RUEL-You put an arrow and you say, somewhere in this area. MR. PALING-What kind of material do you have in the curbings? MR. MILLER-Concrete. MR. PALING-Okay. Where you've got a curbing, it's concrete. MR. WEST-The geotextile silt barrier that you're going to install, what is the intent of that? Is that a water tight barrier? MR. NACE-No. MR. MILLER-No, what it does, it's a, as the detail shows, it's a fence, and because we're filling all along the site here, the natural drainage course is toward the Brook, that fence will be installed all along that dotted line, and what's done is before the site is disturbed it's actually trenched in, and it's like a fine net and it allows water to come down and go through it, but it will stop silt from washing down. If you get a heavy rain and you get some wash before the slopes are established, that fence will prevent from washing past that drain down into the Brook. MR. PALING-Okay. MR.. RUEL-What's the exterior of the building on this? MR. MILLER-We have the architect here. PAUL CUSHING MR. CUSHING-Yes. Paul Cushing, I'm the architect for the project. The exterior of the building will be a combination of brick and insulated exterior finishing system. Primarily brick around the - 15 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) entrances and on the outboard wings, and the exterior finishing system will be in-filling in between those areas. The roofing will be a covered aluminum roofing, the foundation plantings and the rest of the plantings talked about, as well as the grading, but it's going to be an office building, a lot of interior open spaces, which represents the activities of the various groups that are going to be operating within the building. MR. RUEL-Now would you say that, architecturally, it has a colonial motif or flavor? MR. CUSHING-Architecturally I think that it has a basis in colonial architecture, but it is a more concurrent style, hopefully, that blends in well with what is consistent with this overall area. MR. RUEL-Nondescript? MR. CUSHING-Well, no, I don' t think it's nondescript. You have the pitched roof which is pretty standard colonial, part of the design repertoire. Brick is certainly very definitely that part. As you know, the exterior insulated finishing systems are very reminiscent of stucco and it gives you a chance to do a little coining, for instance. Gives you a little chance for color banding and things of that nature, which we are considering adding to the total composition. MR. RUEL-So this is a slab construction, right? MR. CUSHING-This is a slab construction. MR. RUEL-So the heating system, etc. , is all on the same level? MR. CUSHING-The heating system probably is going to be water based heat pump type of situation, where we can, you know, pump heated water and cool it down. MR. RUEL-Geothermal? MR. CUSHING-No, it's not a geothermal. It's a standard system that we've used in office building structures for a number of years and it's a very, very effective system. MR. RUEL-So it has airconditioning, too? MR. CUSHING-Definitely, and it will be fully sprinkled. MR. RUEL-Do the windows have many lights, grids, and have shutters and things like that? MR. CUSHING-At this point, I would like to beg the question about those things, maybe yes and maybe not. Shutters are purely a decora t i ve thing, as you know. They are not funct ional . Tha t ' s an unfortunate aspect, and I, personally, have a little bit of a hesitation to use things like that. MR. RUEL- It gives me an idea of what the building looks like. That's why I always like to see a rendering. MR. CUSHING-I do have an isometric sketch of the exterior. I don't like the color at this point because I don't want to commit myself to colors. I'd be happy to show that to you, though. MR. RUEL-All right. I think I have enough information. Thank you. MR. PALING-Okay. Anymore here? Okay. Lets open up the public hearing on this matter. Is there anyone here that cares to speak about this matter for or against? - 16 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) PUBLIC HEARING OPENED NO COMMENT PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED MR. PALING-This is an Unlisted. So we need a SEQRA on this. The Short Form, I assume, is okay. MR. HILTON-That's what they've attached. RESOLUTION WHEN DETERMINATION OF NO SIGNIFICANCE IS MADE RESOLUTION NO. 72-96, Introduced by Roger Ruel who moved for its adoption, seconded by George Stark: WHEREAS, there application for: is presently before the Planning Board GLENS FALLS INDEPENDENT LIVING CENTER, and an WHEREAS, this Planning Board has determined that the proposed project and Planning Board action is subject to review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED: 1. No federal agency appears to be involved. 2. The following agencies are involved: NONE 3. The proposed action considered by this Board is unlisted in the Department of Environmental Conservation Regulations implementing the State Environmental Quality Review Act and the regulations of the Town of Queensbury. 4. An Environmental Assessment Form has been completed by the applicant. S. Having considered and thoroughly analyzed the relevant areas of environmental concern and having considered the criteria for determining whether a project has a significant environmental impact as the same is set forth in Section 617.11 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations for the State of New York, this Board finds that the action about to be undertaken by this Board will have no significant environmental effect and the Chairman of the Planning Board is hereby authorized to execute and sign and file as may be necessary a statement of non-significance or a negative declaration that may be required by law. Duly adopted this 26th day of November, 1996, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Ruel, Mr. West, Mr. Brewer, Mr. MacEwan, Mr. Stark, Mr. Paling NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mrs. LaBombard MR. PALING-Okay. We can go right to a motion, then. MR. RUEL-The one thing I think that we forgot. Someone asked to have notes on the plan that the water connection, etc., will be in accordance with Queensbury. You'll do that? - 17 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. NACE-That was on the engineering letter. That has been done on the plans that were sent back to Rist-Frost for final review. MR. RUEL-It has been done? MR. NACE-It has been done. MR. RUEL-Okay. Fine. MR. PALING-Okay. Any other comments? Okay. a motion? Do you want to make MOTION TO APPROVE SITE PLAN NO. 72-96 GLENS FALLS INDEPENDENT LIVING CENTER, Introduced by Roger Ruel who moved for its adoption, seconded by George Stark: For construction of a new 9,675 sf office building and renovation of aI, 123 sf residence to office space for the Glens Falls Independent Living Center. Duly adopted this 26th day of November, 1996, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Stark, Mr. Ruel, Mr. West, Mr. Brewer, Mr. MacEwan, Mr. Paling NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mrs. LaBombard MR. PALING-Okay. Thank you. MR. HILTON-Before everybody gets to their election, if that's what you're doing this evening, I thought I would just poll the Board real quick. Right now for December's meetings we have the 17th set aside, and I don't think anybody would make the 24th. So we were kind of thinking of having, if needed, a second meeting on the 19th. MR. RUEL-The 17th and 19th? MR. HILTON-Yes. MR. STARK-Will we need the 19th? MR. HILTON-We don't know yet, but if need be. MR. PALING-George, this was what was agreed to before. already done this. We've MR. HILTON-You've been polled? MR. PALING-Yes. What we agreed to before was that if necessary the special meeting for Indian Ridge would be the 12th. MR. HILTON-Yes. MR. PALING-And that the other meetings would be the 17th and 19th. MR. HILTON-Okay. MR. SCHACHNER-I am continually confused about this. I thought when we talked about this last week, or whenever we talked about this, Indian Ridge was not going to be on the 12th. I remember John Goralski and I were sitting here. I said if Indian Ridge happens on the 12th, you're going to be without counsel, and I thought the Board said, that's right. Lets not do that. Lets not do that on the 12th. I don't care. I just want to make sure. - 18 - - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. PALING-No, you're absolutely correct. MR. SCHACHNER-I just want to make sure that I've stated that again, and I know we've had that chat. I also, the 19th is fine for me, as it happens, but I don' t believe you discussed this at any previous meeting. MR. HILTON-Yes. MR. PALING-No, we did discuss it, but you're right on the first part, Mark. You're absolutely right. MR. STARK-George, we were kind of thin this month, as far as, you know, last week's meeting and this meeting could have been consolidated really, you know, but if need be, we could do like December 17th for the regular meeting, December 19th if Indian Ridge is on. If it isn't, no 19th then, just make it the 17th. MR. HILTON-Unless we, I mean, if we do receive a lot of applications and we have to have two meetings, the 17th and the 19th. MR. PALING-We can't do the 12th. I think for Indian Ridge we do want legal representation. Mark, what are the dates you can do it, that we can have this room? MR. HILTON-The 17th and the 19th are the only dates that this room, that it will be free. MR. MACEWAN-Instead of putting yourself in a pickle discussing a probability that may not even happen, if they come in and we don't have enough dates to accommodate them, and we want to do Indian Ridge in a Special Meeting, put them off until January. MR. RUEL-Yes. Sure. MR. MACEWAN-What's wrong with that? They aren't going to go break ground next month. MR. HILTON-Right. I mean, you could certainly do that, and I'm not even sure if they're going to be in for December. Right now we're just thinking about. MR. PALING-Tomorrow is the final day for submittal. MR. STARK-They haven't indicated anything to you? MR. HILTON-I have nothing indicating. MR. BREWER-Cross that bridge when you get to it. MR. WEST-So leave it 17 and 19 if necessary. MR. PALING-Mark, you're available the 17th and the 19th, right? MR. SCHACHNER-Yes, the 17th is a regular scheduled meeting, and I'm available the 19th, also, and I'm generally available. The 12th just happens to be a night that I'm not available. MR. PALING-Okay. George, tell Pam what we've done here, because we had worked on this, and Mark did point out what he just said, right. MR. HILTON-So right now we've got the 17th and 19th. MR. PALING-And then we don't have to do anything until we see what happens tomorrow. If we've got a problem, we'll have to get in touch with everybody. - 19 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) MR. STARK-Site visits the 14th? MR. PALING-Site visits are the 14th at nine o'clock in the morning. Right. That's still the same. MR. HILTON-And if we can get by with having just one meeting, that one meeting will be the 17th. MR. PALING-The 17th, yes. MR. RUEL-As long as you don't have too many. MR. WEST-Well, if it was like tonight, that would be good. MR. RUEL-Yes, but what's the most you can have, about eight? MR. STARK-Eight. MR. PALING-Well, there is no number. They sort of try for eight, but there is no, we've been through that before. There is no number. MR. RUEL-It depends on the applications. MR. WEST-Yes. MR. MACEWAN-Back in the old days, there were some midnight, one o'clock in the morning jobs. MR. RUEL-Yes. MR. PALING-We don't go that long very often. MR. RUEL-Ten after one I remember. MR. MACEWAN-Yes. MR. RUEL-Yes. I slept through most of it. MR. MACEWAN-That's on the record. MR. BREWER-Yes, I can remember some pretty late meetings. MR. MACEWAN-Once we get past 11 we get over time. So don't worry about it. MR. RUEL-Now, you know, I have a question about these elections. When we first started, years back, the election used to be on the basis of a ballot. It was kind of a secret thing I guess, and all of a sudden that disappeared. MR. STARK-I never remember on a ballot, Roger. MR. MACEWAN-We did it one year, Roger. MR. RUEL-Just one? MR. BREWER-No. it. We used to down, throw it York. We did it many years. That's the way we used to do all take a piece of paper and write somebody's name in a hat, and Jim used to count them out, or Lee MR. STARK-I don't ever remember that. I never did that. MR. BREWER-That's the way it was done, and I'll tell you the reason it was changed is because John Salvador, God bless him, was at one of the meetings and they were talking about or whatever. He went to Paul Dusek, at the time, and said that it was unconstitutional - 20 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) because we didn't tell the future just vote so the reason we changed. it or not. who we were voting for. So Paul said, in you can hear it, just to save face. That's I don't know if there's any legal thing to MR. SCHACHNER-There's certainly nothing involving any constitutionality, but actually you are supposed to have votes not be in secret. MR. BREWER-And that was the issue with John Salvador. MR. SCHACHNER-You're actually not supposed to have secret ballots. MR. PALING-Well, that's not a. MR. BREWER-It is. That's the way the Board used to do it for years, and somehow John Salvador, I'll say no more. MR. PALING-All right. Then lets go to the election of officers. MOTION TO NOMINATE BOB PALING FOR CHAIRMAN FOR ONE MORE YEAR, Introduced by George Stark who moved for its adoption, seconded by David West: Duly adopted this 26th day of November, 1996, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. MacEwan, Mr. Stark, Mr. Ruel, Mr. West, Mr. Paling NOES: NONE ABSTAINED: Mr. Brewer ABSENT: Mrs. LaBombard MOTION TO NOMINATE CATHY LABOMBARD FOR SECRETARY, Introduced by George Stark who moved for its adoption, seconded by Robert Paling: Duly adopted this 26th day of November, 1996, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Stark, Mr. Ruel, Mr. West, Mr. Brewer, Mr. MacEwan, Mr. Paling NOES: NONE ABSENT: Mrs. LaBombard MOTION TO NOMINATE GEORGE STARK TO BE VICE CHAIRMAN, Introduced by Robert Paling who moved for its adoption, seconded by Craig MacEwan: Duly adopted this 26th day of November, 1996, by the following vote: AYES: Mr. Ruel, Mr. West, Mr. MacEwan, Mr. Stark, Mr. Paling NOES: NONE ABSTAINED: Mr. Brewer ABSENT: Mrs. LaBombard MR. PALING-Okay. If there's no other business, then thank you all. The meeting is adjourned. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, - 21 - (Queensbury Planning Board Meeting 11/26/96) Robert Paling, Chairman - 22 -