1984-07-03
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MINUTES
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Queensbury Planning Board
Tuesday, July 3, 1984 8:00 p.m.
Present: R. Roberts, Chairman Absent:
J. Dybas
H. Mann
R. Noll
V. Macri
M. Dean, Staff
C. Scudder, Engineer
P. Naylor, Highway Superintendent
Chairman Roberts announced that the Town Board had appointed Mrs.
Susan Levandowski to fill the unexpired term of Bill Threw.
S. Levandowski
K. Sorlin
The minutes of the June 6, 1984 meeting were approved as written.
NEW BUSINESS:
SITE PLAN REVIEW Type II #12-84 - James Forman RC-15 Zone
west side Route 9 across from
Great Escape
To operate a soft ice cream stand in RD-15 Zone on the property
situated at the west side of Route 9 across from the Great Escape.
Mr. James Forman present. A 15 x 20 foot building would be contructed
on an existing slab at the Char Pit to serve the people coming
out of Great Escape (take-out ice cream on seasonal basis). Mr.
Forman will be leasing from Char Pit owner. Traffic and parking
were discussed - primarily walking trade from Great Escape. Mr.
Dybas said the State will have to deal with traffic problem on
Route 9 in future. Warren County Planning Board feels there would
be no overriding inpact as long as adequate parking is provided.
No one spoke from the public. Mrs. Mann offered motion for approval,
seconded by Mr. Dybas. Motion carried unanimously.
RESOLVED: The Queensbury Planning Board approve this
Site Plan based on one road cut, maintain fencing, keep parking
in rear and that applicant see the Beautification Committee.
SUBDIVISIONS:
LAND 0' PINES, Section 5 No. 2-84 - 91 lots off West Mountain and
Peggy Ann Roads - Ruggles and Benack Developers - Coulter & McCormack,
Surveyors
Public Hearing was held March 6, 1984. Preliminary and final approvals
pending further information relative to storm water drainage and
road cross sections.Mr. Scudder said that both he and Mr. Naylor
had reviewed the plans. Mr. McCormack said they had addressed
Dr. Miller's concerns with a 100' stone bed, beyond the stone will
be open grass ditching. Letter from Mr. Naylor and Mr. Scudder
to Mr. McCormack read and made part of record.
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Mr. Benack questioned the developer's responsibility for driveway
construction and culverts. Mr. Scudder said they were trying
to see that the roads be built to specifications and they don't
want culverts. If there is need for a culvert, that will be determined
by the Highway Superintendent on a case by case basis. The homeowner
should have to satisfy the conditions of the building permit (with
respect to driveways), administered by the Building Dept. It was
noted that the County has a permit system for driveways. Mr. Scudder
said the responsibility is on the developer to make sure his contractors
do the job according to specifications. Once the roads are accepted,
the developer is off the hook. Mr. Naylor asked that he be notified
in writing when requesting inspections. He also said that lateral
drainage pipe are to be raised and #3 stone be used. Mr. Macri
offered motion for preliminary and final approval, seconded by
Mr. Noll. Motion carried unanimously.
RESOLVED: Preliminary and Final Approval granted for
Land 0' Pines Section 5 with Mr. Scudder's letter incorporated
and subject to conditions of letter with changes on drawing.
WESTLAND SECTION 15 #3-84 - 25 lots Fox Hollow Lane, Coulter &
McCormack, Surveyors
Public hearing held April 4, 1984. At the June meeting Mr. Scudder
had requested a separate drainage map with grading and finished
contours. All drainage will be piped. Mr. Scudder feels this
is a superior plan. The grading and drainage plan with existing
and future contours will be forthcoming. Mr. Roberts will not
sign plan until Mr. Scudder's conditions are met. Mr. Macri questioned
the contours. He said the road was cut too low (prior to present
requirements) and there is a potential problem for construction
and erosion. Mr. Noll offered motion for preliminary and final
approval, seconded by Mr. Dybas. Mr. Macri abstained as he lives
in Westland. Motion carried unanimously.
RESOLVED: Preliminary and Final approval granted subject
to the conditions in Mr. Scudder's letter and final grading and
drainage plan which will show existing contours as well as finished
contours. They have Water Dept. and Dept. of Health approvals.
OLD ORCHARD SUBDIVISION, Section 3 No. 5-84 - 7 lots Orchard Drive,
Coulter & McCormack Surveyors
Mr. Scudder and Mr. Naylor's concern is the character of the soil
and the groundwater as they relate to road construction. They
will be taking a hard look at the road design and wastewater disposal
systems. Mr. Roberts read letter from Roger Gebo (DPW) stating
no objection to prosposal as shown on plans and profile. Mr.
Scudder said they should see what the design looks like - they're
not only concerned about wastewater but about the eventual frost
heaving that could take place from water in the subgrade of the
road. Mr. Scudder said the engineering input on this project is
going to be relatively high even though it is a small project.
This Subidvision tabled for preliminary and final approval. Public
hearing to be held next month.
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VARIANCE NO. 927 - John Hughes, Bay Road UR-5
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Professional offices to be constructed on lots 1-2-3-4 as shown
on proposed subdivision of lands of John M. Hughes. Location is
west side Bay Road north of Walker Lane.
Mr. John Hughes present. Mr. Roberts said it was felt that this
was a variance that the Planning Board should look at since they
were involved in it initially in its minor changes to an already
approved plan. Mr. Dybas offered motion for approval, seconded
by Mr. Noll. Motion carried unanimously.
COMMENTS: The Planning Board recommend approval of this
use variance as it follows present plans for the Bay Road area
and minor changes that they have agreed to previously.
OTHER BUSINESS:
Discussion regarding change in meeting date from 1st Wednesday
of month to the 3rd Tuesday of the month, due to State Law that
requires Site Plan Reviews to go to County Planning Board before
Town Planning Board can deal with them, thereby holding up applicants
longer than was the original intent. Mr. Roberts suggested a memo
be sent to both County Planning Board and Queensbury Town Board.
Mr. Roberts asked Board if they had received copies of letter he
had sent to Tom Hall (DEC) regarding filling in of wetland (Dombek).
Mr. Roberts said DEC is making some sort of compromise with him
(Dombek) allowing him to fill a little more than what the Board
was recommending. They would like to avoid a public hearing on
the matter. Mr. Roberts noted that he was unable to locate the
section of the ordinance that says you cannot hardsurface or build
within 50 ft. of any viable stream or wetland. This should be
in supplemental regulations.
DEC wetlands mapping is on file with Town Clerk. Mr. Roberts
scheduled a workshop meeting with memo to Town Board members re-
lating to wetlands and a possible response for 7 pm Tuesday, July 10.
Mr. Hazelton - complaint of neighbor adding a woodshed that is
devaluating his property. Mr. Dean said that it meets all codes.
If there were restrictive deed covenants that would be a civil
matter.
Meeting adjourned.
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Richar Roberts, Chairman
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CHARLES H. ScUDDER
CONSULTING ENGINEER
BOX 792
GLENS FALLS. NEW YORK 12801
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(518) 793-1475
June 30, 1984
Andrew T. McCormack
Coulter and McCormack
92 Bay Street
Glens Palls, New York 12801
ReI Old Orchard, Section 3
Land O' Pines, Section 5
Westland, Section 15
Dear Mr. McCormack:
With regard to the indicated subdivisions and the matters of
concern expressed at the meeting of the Queensbu.ry Planning
Board on June 6, certain meetings or workshops have been held
to resolve them.
Accordingly, this office is prepared to recommend to the
Planning Board as follows, contingent upon the acquiesence of
Mr. Naylor, Town Highway Superintendent, and subject to the
conditions set out hereinafter:
1) preliminary approval of Old Orchard, Section 3, with
the understanding that we will look sharply at the
final plans to see how the designs for the road and
wastewater systems take account of existing soil and
groundwater conditions, and
2) Final approval of Land O' Pines, section 5, and
3) Final approval of Westland, Section 15.
Conditions:,
First
Road construction shall be completed in accord with
published current standards of the Town of Oueensbury
effective at the time the roads are offered by the
developer for acceptance by the Town Board.
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Andrew T. McCormack
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Second Provisions for grading, drainage, and st.ormwqt.er
management. shall be complet.ed as shawn on t.he approved
plans.
Third The developers, insofar .s is reasonable, shall
provide t.he Highway Superint.endent. a writ.ten schedule
of major road const.ruction event.s.
Pourt.h '!'he developers shall provide 24 hour's writ.t.en notice
of inspect.ions, t.o be carried out. bet.ween 7:00 A.M.
and 3:30 P.M. on normal workdays, incident t.o approvals
of st.eps l, 2, 3 and 4 as set. out. in the t.a.m roadway
specificat.ions.
Pift.h The developers shall cause t.he establishment. of
horizont.al and vertical control, U.S.G.S. dat.um, and
provide such compet.ent survey, stakeout, or engineer-
ing supervision as may be required during const.ruct.ion
of roads, drainage, or appurtenances for stormwat.er
management. .
Sixth The developers shall create and maint.ain a channel
for movement of surface wat.er in the st.reets as shown
on the plan road cross-sections such t.hat. driveway
culvert.s shall not. be required except as expressly
direct.ed by the Town Highway Superint.endent..
Very t.ruly yours,
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Charles H.(Scudder, P.E.
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cc : Mr. Roberts
Mr.. Walt.er
Mr. Buckley
Mr. Prime
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