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TOWN BOARD MEETING
JANUARY 26, 1982
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TOWN BOARD MEMBERS
Mrs . Frances WaZter-Supervisor
Mr. Daniel Olson-CounciZman
Dr. Charles Eisenhart Councilman
Mr. Daniel MorreZZ-Councilman
Mrs. Betty Monahan-CounciZman
Mr. Jospeh Brennan-Town Counsel
PRESS: WWSC, WBZA, G. F. Post Star
TOWN OFFICIALS: Mr. Lynn, Mr. Dean, Mr. Naylor, Mr. Missita, Mr.
Flaherty, Mr. VanDusen
GUESTS: Mr. Scudder, Residents of Broad Acres
Pledge of Allegiance Zed by Dr. Eisenhart
Meeting Opened 7: 43 P. M.
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INFORMATIONAL MEETING-PROPOSED BROADACRES WATER DISTRICT
Supervisor Walter- Introduced Mr. Charles Scudder, Engineer and
Mr. Thomas Flaherty Qsby. Water Supt. they will discuss the proposed
water project. . .we hope tonight to propose a solution to the problem
and give you some cost estimates. ..
Mr. Thomas Flaherty- Water Supt. -reviewed the history of the BoardAcres
water lines. . . formed in 1940 by Broadacrea Corp. which is now non- existant
and other private individuals, the City allowed hookup to their main
transmission line (used map in locating the streets that were hooked up)
it was the understanding that the home owner would maintain the line
from their home to the City Main including the portion in the Highway
right-of-way, since this time some homes have been sold several times
over and the new owners are not aware of the agreement to maintain the l
private lines. . . The City of Glens Falls provides water to this area
at double the city rates-that bill does not include any maintenance.
Reviewed the SpeciaZ Benefit Dist. in the Town noting that this does
include service and maintenance. . .noted that ZegdZZy the Town cannot
repair any service, main etc.' in the BoardAcres.=area because it is not
a Special Benefit Dist. . ..
Mr. Charles Scudder- Professional Engineer- (used prepared map)
proposed to hook up to the 9sby. Water System somewhere by the Plug Mill,
go down Dixon :Road with a 12" main, wish ' to completely seperate the �
BoardAcreg Dist. from the City source of Supply. . . the main size for the I
system would be 6" this would be adequate from _the Fire Codes, Fire Hydrantsl
would be instaZZed, approximateZy twenty four, . . . the project would include I
13 to 14 thousand feet of new ductile iron pipe from 12" to 6". . .
There are approximately three hundred and ten residential units in the area
the cost of the project would be $496, 210. 00 as of this time. . .
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UNKNOWN- Why not cut off the city .lines and use what we have?
Mr. Scudder- we would use those parts of the existing system that we could
use. . .
Mr. Swan- As I understand the Town cannot maintain or repair the lines
unless they own the water system, suppose we still buy the water from i
Glens Falls and form a maintenance district for repairs etc. . . .
would that be ZegaZ?
Supervisor Walter- We have a 'Zetter from the N. Y. St. Dept. of Health,
They are concerned with the quality of water in that area. . . a maintenance 4
district can be created. . .
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Mr. Swan- How many hydrants are located in the area and how many do you
propose. . .
Mr. Flaherty- there are seven in the area, we propose twenty four. . .
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Mr. Gregory-FireC� esident, WGF Fire Co. - spoke on the differences be
the Fire Hydrants in G. F. and Qsby. . . . noted th,e low pressure. . .
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UNKNOWN- Questioned the WGF Water Dist. ?
Supervisor Walter- Reported in the formation of the W. G. F. Water
j District. . . they are currently receiving their water supply from the
City of Glens FaZZs this was formed in 1936jone of the oldest. . .
Mr. Flaherty- W. G. F. is a seperate water disc. with its own budget. . .
monies are generated from the residents of the dist. to maintain it. . .
Mr. Harrison - what is the assessed evaluation of the Boardacres area?
I Mr. Scudder- the assessment is $5, 782, 000
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Ltr. Read. . .
New York State Dept. of Health
January 26, 1982
TO: Thomas Flaherty RE: Board Acres Service Area-Queensbury
This office has previously had contact with your office and that
the City of Glens FaZZs Water Dept. concerning this service area.
The situation at present is that water provided to several hundred
houses in this area- through -at least-_,'three connections into the City
Public Water System. The area Zies within the Town of Queensbury and
J thus the City merely provides the water and has no responsibility for
maintenance, flushing and surveilla e—avoling. Similarly, de this area
it is not within the boundaries of the Queensbury Consolidated Water
{ District, you have no responsibility to perform the above tasks.
Of immediate concern, in the event of a main break or broken hydrant
is the fact that no one has responsibility to perform the necessary
repairs, thus jeopardizing the continuity of service to the public.
DeZays.. in repairs could result in extended Zoss of service and impe:de- the
tbe- db: Iity 'to_ fight a ,fi.re...
Since the mains are not routinely flushed there has been quaility
problems and their frequency wiZZ increase as deposited material is
picked-,up causing turbidity etc.
Mains, valves and hydrants eventually needed to be . repZaced Their
life expectancy is shortened due to the Zack of any preventative maintenance
This water service is in violation of the requirements of Part 5 of
the State Sanitary code. A Zicensed operator has not been hired to operate,
maintain and perform the required sampling in the system. The Department
has not taken ZegaZ action on these violations as it appeared from our
discussions actions were underway to form a water district. If the
district is not formed the Department would have to reconsider our
position and ZegaZ action would be a possibility .
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BSF/mh
cc: Donald CoaZts Brian S. Fear, P. E.
James Decker District Sanitary Engineer
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' Mr. Scudder- Based on the assumption that we will bond this project
at 10% over 15 years the tax rate for the first year would be
$14. 41 per thousand on the fifteenth year $6. 34 per thousand. . .
UNKNOWN- Asked about Federal Aid. . .
Supervisor Walter- Aid has been Zooked into for this project, we have
not been able to come up with any. . . noted that Zoans are given to
dhpres.sed areas which the State and the Federal Governments would
not consider Boardacres as being. . . Reviewed the HUD Project in W. G. F.
}' UNKNOWN- What would the water rate be?
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Mr. FZahe4k4- 95% of the People ir'i- the Queesbury Consolidated Water Dist. are
on meter,Vate is $15. 00 per quarter, you are allowed 15, 000 gaZ. anything
above the 15, 000 is charged at . 72 per thousand gallons. . . a quick study
of the Westland Areas shows a bill of $21 . 00 per quarter. . .
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UNKNOWN-Does -your figures include the cost of meters?
Mr. Flaherty- we supply the meters. . .
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Mr. Swan- I would like to request that some consideration be -given
to this problem, do the same as in W. G. F. ;" a contract which the
residents of the area pay for the maintenance of the water system
as it is. . . and see what that figure is . . .
Supervisor Walter- You are looking at mirvinal maintenance to maintain
your hydrants, but what Mr. Scudder and Mr. Flaherty looked at was that they
felt that there is going to be replacement of some of these ,Zines anyway
and the fact that there is inack7uate lines for proper fire protection
that some would need to be replaced. . .
UNKNOWN-Noted that a few months out of the year you cannot drink the water,
asked if->maintenance would clear up the problem. . .
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Mr. Flaherty- there could be a flushing program but one of the problems
in a surface supply is spring turnover and the second problem is
the capacity of the source. . .we can provide a maintenance but we cannot
guarantee the quality of the water at the GZens Falls System. . .
UNKNOWN-you will replace all the Zines?
Mr. Scudder- only the sections that need to be replaced. . .
UNKNOWN- I live on Bullard Ave, if I have a break who will ix it?
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Councilman Morrell- nobody, nobody can legally fix it. . .
Joseph Brennan- Town CounseZ- Under the Town Law you can use general
town funds under a general tax to pay for highways, police administration,
etc. Water, Sewage, Drainage things of that nature legally the only
way that they can be paid for is on a benefit basis-those people that '
are being benefited. A Town cannot legally spend general funds raised
by general tax revenues to solve water problems, sewage problems, drainage
problems without a district being formed and a tax being Zev-isd 'on that I
�--' district. -here is no district, all that was done was that the City of
Glens Falls with their distribution main allowed the developers on those 1
various streets to hook into the system, the City of Glens Falls has no
district in your area, that merely provided an accomodation, they cannot
pay to fix the line. In the Town of Queensbury there is no water dist, i
there, the Town cannot legally use general town funds to pay for repairing
a break in a Zine. .
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Councilman Olson- noted that the City could raise the water rates to
any amount. . . noted that Mr. Swan brought out a good point in regard to i
a maintenance district. . .
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Supervisor Walter- asked Mr. Scudder about the condition .of the existing
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Mr. Scudder- If we are talking about the 2" main it doesn 't make any
difference, we could safeZy, say it would not be in good condition. . .
Anywhere a 6" pipe exists in this nextwork we will leave it we will only
fill in, in those areas where the pipe diameter is inadequate. . .
Unknown- Could the letter that was read this evening be used rs leverage
to get Federal Funding?
Supervisor Walter- noted that she knew of no Federal Funding. . .
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`— UNKNOWN-I have a well do I have to connect to the line when it goes through?
Mr. Flaherty- you would not have to connect. . .you would not pay water rent
but you would pay for the advaZorem tax. . .
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UNKNOWN- Would you be allowed to hook up at a tat-trr- time?
Mr. Flaherty- you would be charged a tapping fee, you could hook up. . . j
If you are hooked up to the System now you would not be charged when
and if the changeover occurs, if you are not hooked up you would be
charged a tapping fee when you hook up. . .
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Re'ferendum procedures were discussed. . .
UNKNOWN- I want to go on record I do not think that we can ask the
Federal Government for a handout, we have to get off dead center,
we have got to get a Water Dist. . .
UNKNOWN- I would like to see the figures of what a maintenance dist.
would be compared to what has been presented. . .
Councilman Olson- Would it be possible to form a maintenance disc.
and use Queensbury Water?
Mr. Scudder- no
Mr. FZaherty- Under the maintenance Dist. are you assuming that
you will have a, standard accredited fire protection? . . . Or are
you talking about a maintenance dirt. as it stands at the present
time. . .' maintain the status quo. . . ?
Mr. Scudder- all we are talking about doing is beefing up the system. . .
Councilman Monahan- Are you people paying a premium on fire insurance
because you do not have acceptable fire protection?
Mr. FZaherty- the underwriters give credit for certain things, the
distance from the Fire Hydrants and yourfire company, water supply
in the area etc.
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Councilman Morrell- Are fire Hydrants required when you put in a
water district?
Mr. Flaherty- legally no. . .
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Supervisor Walter- asked for further comments. . . none. . .
RESOLUTION TO APPROVE MINUTES _
r UT ON NO. 388 Introduced by Mr. Daniel Morrell who moved
or ztpion, seconded by Mr. Daniel Olson:
j RESOLVED, that the Minutes of January 12, 1982 be and hereby are approved.
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DuZy adopted by the following vote:
i Ayes : Mr. Olson, Dr. Eisenhart, Mr. Morrell, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs . Walter
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Absent: None
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ISSUANCE OF A $27, 120. 00 BOND ANTICIPATION
RENEWAL NOTE OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY, COUNTY OF WARREN, STATE OF
NEW YORK TO RENEW IN PART A $33, 900. 00 BOND ANTICIPATION NOTE OF SAID
j TOWN TO PAY PART OF THE COST OF THE PURCHASE OF A REX COMPACTOR FOR
SAID TOWN
Introduced by Mr. Daniel Olson who moved for its
a option , seconded by Dr. Charles Eisenhart:
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury on January 27, 1981
j adopted a bond anticipation note resolution in the amount of $333900. 00; _
and
WHEREAS, such bond anticipation note subsequently was sold by the
Supervisor of the Town of Queensbury to the First National Bank of
Glenn FaZZs, N. Y.
WHEREAS, said bond anticipation note is due and payable as of January
27, 1981
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Supervisor of the Town of Queensbury be and
she hereby is authorized to
(a) Pay toward said bond anticipation note the sum
of $6, 780. 00; and
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(b) Renew partially said bond anticipation note with
a balance of $27, 120. 00 with the First National
Bank of Glens Falls, Glens Falls, New York for
a period running from January 27, 1982 to January
26, 1983 with interest at the rate of nine and
seventy-five hundredths (9. 75%) percent per annum.
(A copy of the renewal bond anticipation note is
attached hereto.
Duly adopted by the following vote:
Ayes : Mr. Olson, Dr. Eisenhart, Mr. Morrell, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Walter
Noes: None
Absent: None
RESOLUTION OF APPOINTMENT
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. , Introduced by Mr. Daniel Olson who moved for its
a option, seconded by Mrs . Frances Walter
WHEREAS, the term of Leslie Rymkewicz on the Board of Assessment
Review expired on December 30, 1981 and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury wishes to
reappoint Mr. Rymkewicz for a three year term, NOW, THEREFORE
BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of Queensbury hereby appoints
Mr. Leslie Rymkewicz of Chestnut Ridge Road, Queensbury t
the Board of Assessment Review, term to expire on 12131184.
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Duly adopted by the following vote:
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Ayes : Mr. Olson, Dr. Eisenhart, Mr. Morrell, Mrs . Monahan, Mrs. Walter
Noes: None
Absent: None
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Ltr. -Stephen F. Lynn re: attendance at school. . .
on file 1
Councilman Eisenhart-Mr. Lynn assured me that this does not give credit I
toward any degree 's
Do you have the m6nies in your budget?
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Mr. Lynn- yes
RESOLUTION TO ATTEND BUILDING OFFICIALS SCHOOL PHASE II
0 7'TONQ�_ 41 Introduced by Dr. Eisenhart who moved for its
adoption, seconded by Mrs . Monahan:
RESOLVED, that Mr. Stephen Lynn and Mr. Mack Dean from . the Qsby.
Building and Zoning Dept. are hereby given permission to attend 1
the New York State Building Officials School Phase II at Hudson
Valley Community College from February 22, 1982 through April
19, 1982. and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury hereby authorizes
fpayment of all reasonable and necessary expenses.
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`- Duly adopted by following vote:
Ayes : Mr. Olson, Dr. Eisenhart, Mr. Morrell, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. Walter
Noes: None
Absent: None
Ltr. ,�,D 'O.-T. re : 35 mph easterly end of Peggy Ann Road from
the -westerZy Clark Street Intersection easterly to Dixon Road. . . on file. . . j
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BID OPENING
Transportation for the Elderly
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Bids opened at 2: 00 P. M. 1-26-82
Louis T. Fisher
Ashe. Dr.
Warrensburg, N. Y. 12885 $9, 880. 00 non coZ. attached. . .
RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT BID AND ENTER INTO AGREEENFNT FOR TRANSPORTATION
FOR THE ELDERLY
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RESOLUTIDN._aQ, 42_ Introduced by Mr. OZson who moved for its adoption,
seconded by Mr. DanieZ MorreZZ:
WHEREAS, a distinct need has been demonstrated . to the Town Board
of the Town of Queensbury for Transportation for the EZderZy
residents of said Town, and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Queensbury deems it to }
be in the best interest of the senior citizens of its community
to engage the services of an independent contractor for the purpose
of providing transportation for such persons, and
WHEREAS, by virtue of federaZ funding available to municipaZities
to assist in providing services for the eZderZy and
i WHEREAS, the Town Board requested that bids be soZicited, and bids
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were submitted on January 26, 1982 NOW, THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED, that the Supervisor of the Town of Queensbury be, and
hereby is authorized and empowered to enter into and execute an
agreement by and between the Town of Queensbury and Louis T. Fisher
to provide transportation for the eZderZy citizens of the Town of
Queensbury at a totaZ cost not to exceed Nine Thousand Eight Hundred
and Eighty dollars ($9, 880. 00) commencing on February 14, 1982
terminating on February 6, 1983. and be it further
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RESOLVED, that the Supervisor of the Town of Queensbury is hereby
deZegated with the power and authority to negotiate such terms
and benefits as wouZd be to the advantage of eZderZy citizens
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of the Town of Queensbury consistent with the services generaZZy
provided in other municipaZities for the benefit of its eZderZy
citizens.
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i DuZy adopted by the foZZowing vote:
Ayes: Mr. Olson, Dr. Eisenhart, Mr. MorreZZ, Mrs. Monahan, Mrs. WaZter
I Noes: None
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Absent: None
I REPORTS
The folZowing report was pZaced on fiZe: FinanciaZ Report 1981
Building & Zoning Dept.
Supervisor WaZter-Congratulated Mr. Stephen Lynn for receiving
his certification as a professionaZ Code Administrator-from
the New York State BuiZding Officials Conference, j
CounciZman MorreZZ- reported on the Recreation Commission Meeting. . .
noted Truck is being repaired. . . the commission has a recommendation
that if vacancies occur that Town take into considerationyif
possible� better geographic Zocations, there are some areas where
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we have no representation. . . North Queensbury and South Queeensbury. . . !
j discussion held in regard to obtaining Zand next to Gurney Lane
property stiZZ open. . . discussion about taking a part time empZoyee
and making him full time. . . both Mr. Granger and Mrs. LittZe new
appointees were present. . .
CounciZman Olson- reported on the progress of the Highway Dept. . . .
j -#anked the Highway Supt. and his men for their work. . . received
favorable comments from residents of the Town. . .
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CounciZman MorreZZ- reported on the improved physicaZ condition of
j the Highway Dept.
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