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1982-11-09 289 TOWN BOARD MEETING NOVEMBER 9 , 1982 TOWN BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT MRS. FRANCES WALTER-SUPERVISOR MR. DANIEL OLSON-COUNCILMAN DR. CHARLES EISENHART-COUNCILMAN ? MR. DANIEL MORRELL-COUNCILMAN MRS.BETTY `M8NAHAN�COUNCILMAN { ABSENT MR. JOSEPH BRENNAN j PRESS: G. F. POST STAR, WBZA. WWSC GUESTS : MR. HOENCK , MR. WIDEMAN , MRS. SIMMONDS , MR. BLY , LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS TOWN OFFICIALS: MR. LYNN , MR. VANDUSEN , MR. NAYLOR, CHIEF JUDKINS AND MEMBER OF THE POLICE JJEPT . PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN EISENHART EMEETING OPENED 7 :52 P. M. PUBLIC HEARING - CHANGE IN ZONING- UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY A CERTAIN AREA OF THE TOWN GENERALLY BOUNDED BY FULLER ROAD ON THE NORTH, LUZERNE ROAD ON THE SOUTH , THE CORPORATE BOUNDARY LINE BET- WEEN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND THE TOWN OF LAKE LUZERNE ON THE WEST AND ON THE EAST BY A LINE RUNNING GENERALLY NORTH AND SOUTH AT A DISTANCE OF APPROXIMATELY 1 , 320 FEET TO THE WEST OF WEST MOUNTAIN ROAD AND RUNNING PARALLEL THERETO, IS PRESENTLY ZONED IN A CLASSIFICATION , IN PART , OF RR-5A AND, IN PART , IN A CLASSIFICATION OF LC-loA, AND AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN RECEIVED BY THE TOWN BOARD REQUESTING THE REZONING OF A CERTAIN PORTION OF SAID PREMISES TO REDUCE THE AREA PRESENTLY ZONED AS RR-5A AND Tt CHANGE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF A PORTION OF SAID AREA TO A NEW CLASSIFICATION OF LC-loA AND TO REZONE A PORTION OF SAID LANDS FROM AN EXISTING CLASSIFICATION OF LC-ioA TO A NEW CLASSIFICATION OF RR-5A NOTICE SHOWN- HEARING OPENED r SUPERVISOR WALTER- ASKED FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC , NO ONE SPOKE COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- SUPPORTS THE REZONING,. . . COUNCILMAN EISENHART- NOTED THAT TEN ACRES IS A LOT OF LAND, BUT HE WOULD SUPPORT THE REZONING. TOWN CLERK- PRESENTED THE TOWN 30ARD WITH THE APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD ( ON FILE) SUPERVISOR V!ALTER- THE TOWN BOARD CANNOT MAKE A DECISION ON THIS PROPOSAL TONIGHT , WE MUST WAIT: FOR THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COARDS RECOMMENDATION. RECESSED THE HEARING UNTIL LATER IN THE EVENING... . RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION TO APPROVE MINUTES RFSLnlUTTON NO. 367 INTRODUCED BY DR. CHARLES EISENHART WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MR. DANIEL OLSON : RESOLVED, THAT THE TOWN BOARD MINUTES OF OCTOBER 26 , 1982 BE AND HEREBY IS APPROVED. �! DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MR. MORRELL , MRS. MONAHAN , MRS. WALTER NOES : NONE ABSENT ; NONE DISCUSSION WAS HELD IN REGARD TO RETURNING FEE FOR VARIANCES , ONE FOR THE SALVATION ARMY VARIANCE AND ONE FOR THE CEREBRAL PALSY O,,4 AV'I:ATION ROAD, . . .THE ZONING BOARD REQUESTED THAT THE FEES BE RETURNED TO THESE NON PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. . . I I 290 RESOLUTION TO REFUND FEES RFSnj IITTfINNfl _ �F+A , INTRODUCED BY MR. DANIEL MORRELL WHO MOVED , FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MRS . BETTY MONAHAN : WHEREAS, THE SALVATION ARMY AND THE CEREBRAL PALSY! CENTER MADE APPLICATIONS FOR VARIANCES AND WHEREAS, THE ZONING BOARD AFTER HEARING THE APPLICATIONS REQUESTED THAT THE TOWN BOARD RETURN THE FEE TO THE APPLICANTS , NOW , THEREFORE BE IT r f RESOLVED, THE THE APPLICATION FEES FOR THE SALVATION ARMY AND THE CEREBRAL PAYSx'.... CENTER BE RETURNED. k DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MR. MORRELL , MRS. MONAHAN , MRS. WALTER s NOES : NONE G G ABSENT : NONE ti LTR. MRS. DOYLE ASKING FOR A REZONING ON PROPERTY ON QUAKER ROAD DISCUSSION WAS HELD-.IT WAS A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO TURN THIS OVER TO THE PLANNING BOARD E RESOLUTION TO APPROVE ANNUAL BUDGET � S t-UTT� N Nn- 369 , INTRODUCED BY DR. CHARLES EISENHART WHO MOVED FOR ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MRS. BETTY MONAHAN : DISCUSSION HELD: AMENDMENTS #1 COUNCILMAN MONAHAN UNDER A7410 LIBRARY—THE BOARD IN THE PRELIMINARY DID NOT COME UP TO YOUR TOTAL AS BUDGET OFFICER, WE HAVE GOTTEN A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF CRANDALL LIBRARY THAT IF WE DO NOT DO $3. 00 PER CAPITAL WE MAY JEOPARDIZE THERR HUNDRED­FHOUSAND DOLLAR FUNDING FROM THE SYSTEM. I THINK ' k FOR THE EXTRA COST OF $2000 I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE CHANGE OUR FIGURE. THE LIBRARY SYSTEM IS AN ASSET TO US. SUPERVISOR WALTER— IF WE GAVE THEM THIS ADDITIONAL MONE,YjAND I DID HAVE IT IN THE BUDGET , IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET THE GRANT WOULD THEY BE UNDERSTANDING THAT MAYBE THERE WOULD NOT BE AN INCREASE NEXT YEAR? COUNCILMAN MONAHAN— I THINK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE TERRITORY , IF WE INCREASE THIS ENOUGH TO GUARANTEE THE GRANTITHEN I THINK NEXT YEAR WE COULD KEEP IT AT THE SAME LEVEL. COUNCILMAN EISENHART— I DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT , WE WENT OVER THIS FOR SOME TIME , I FELT THAT IT MIGHT BE NECESSARY FOR CRANDALL LIBRARY TO REDUCE ITS PROGRAMS IN ORDER TO STAY WITHIN ITS BUDGET FUNDS. COUNCILMAN OLSON— I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IN GOING TO THE 57 ,000, BASED ON THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED TO THIS_..A,,REA., SUPERVISOR WALTER— I AM JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE $2000 FROM THE TOWN AND THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO MEET THE CRITERIA TO GET THE ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND. k COUNCILMAN EISENHART— YOU DO NOT KNOW THIS , THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. I THAT IF THEY DO NOT SHOW $3. 00 THEY MAY STAND TO LOSE __ THIS. I COUNCILMAN MONAHAN— I WOULD PERFER NOT TO TAKE THE CHANCE , AND HOLD THE BUDGET FOR THEM NEXT YEAR AND GUARANTEE THIS FOR THEM. € COUNCILMAN OLSON — NOTED HE HAD SPOKEN WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LIBRARY , I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM HIM THAT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THIS YEAR TO MAKE THEIR GRANTS BECAUSE THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THE REFERENCE LIBRARY COULD BE MOVED TO SARATOGA. COUNCILMAN MORRELL— YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT $2000-IF THE SUPERVISOR AND THE OTHER THREE COUNCILMEN WOULD BE WILLING TO FORGO THEIR 291 PROJECTED RAISE WHICH WOULD COME TO $2140 . 00 WE WOULD HAVE $140 . 00 LEFT OVER. IF IT IS THAT IMPORTANT I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THE SACRIFICE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT IF IT WERE FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS BUT WHY IS THE COUNCILMEN AND THE SUPERVISOR. . . i COUNCILMAN MORRELL- WE ARE ONLY LOOKING FOR TWO THOUSAND. . . COUNCILMAN EISENHART- I WILL GO ALONG WITH THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT , WE WILL SET THE SALARIES IN JANUARY. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE RAISE THE REVENUES ON THE OTHER SIDE. . .A2665 I 3`-- IT WAS THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT TO RAISE CRANDALL LIBRARY TO $57,000 AMENDMENT #2 COUNCILMAN MORRELL- I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCED AN AMENDMENT TO CUT THE SUPERVISOR'S SALARY TO $16 , 500 AND TO KEEP THE SALARY AS IT WAS LAST YEAR FOR COUNCILMEN AT $4 , 320. 00 SUPERVISOR WALTER- MY QUESTION IS WHY THE COUNCILMEN AND THE SUPERVISOF3 WHY NOT .. TRE TOWN CLERK AND THE HIGHWAY SUPT. , THE HIGHWAY SUPT. RECEIVED SIXTEEN PERCENT , IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME YOUR REASONING? COUNCILMAN MORRELL- IF THEY WANT TO ACCEPT LESS I WILL INTRODUCE A RESOLU- TION FOR THAT TO. I THINK WE HAVE TO SET AN EXAMPLE HERE. COUNCILMAN OLSON- I WOULD BE PLEASED TO ACCEPT THE $4320 . 00 I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A RAISE FOR MYSELF FOR NEXT YEAR. I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE-WE HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE HIGHWAY SUPT. AND TOWN CLERK 'S POSITION , THOSE PEOPLE DO THIS JOB AND THAT IS THEIR LIVELTHOOD-IT IS THEIR MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME-THAT IS WHAT THEY SUPPORT THEIR-FAMILIES ON. MR. CHASE AND P1R. NAYLOR L✓ THE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO FILL THESE JOBS TT WOULD BE NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO ANYTHING ELSE TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR IMCOME. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- WHY DO YOU NOT GROUP THE SUPERVISOR' S JOB IN WITH THOSE TWO? COUNCILMAN OLSON- I WAS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE TWO ELECTED POSITIONS OUTSIDE THE TOWN BOARD. . . I ALSO FEEL THE SUPERVISOR'S POSITION IS FULL TIME. . . COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- AS A COUNCILMAN I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH KEEPING OUR SALARY WHERE IT IS. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- NOR I. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I DO NOT FEEL ABOUT OUR SALARY THE WAY I DO PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING HERE FULL TIME BECAUSE I FEEL A LOT OF OUR TIME IS VOLUNTEER TYPE OF WORK, BUT I DO NOT FEEL THAT FOR FULL TIME POSITIONS. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- I WILL ACCEPT AS THE AMENDMEPT THE CHANGING OF THE COUNCILMEN'S TO $4320. 00 I STILL WOULD PREFERALEAVE THE 6% FOR THE SUPERVISOR. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I AGREE WITH Doc. THAT IS A FULL TIME JOB AND I CANNOT SEE THE TOWN SUPERVISOR DRAWING LESSjAND SHE IS DRAWING LESS ACTUALLY THAN SOME OF THE PEOPLE SHE IS OVER. I THINK IN THE FUTURE IF WE ARE GOING TO GET QUALIFIED PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THAT OFFICE)THAT IS A VERY LOW SALARY FOR THAT OFFICE , FOR THE TYPE OF QUALITY THAT IS NEEDED TO FULFILL- I'T. I THINK FOR ANYONE WHO THINKS IT IS AN EASY JOB SHOULD JUST COME UP HERE FOR A WEEK AND TRY AND DO SOME OF THE TASKS THE PERSON IN THAT JOB HAS TO DO , IT IS A JOB THAT IN GLENS FALLS TAKES TWO PEOPLE TO DO ..]'. AT A COMBINED SALARY OF 35 PLUS 16-WE HAVE ONE PERSON DOING BOTH OF THEIR JOBS . HER SALARY IS MADE UP MANY TIMES OVER IN JUST THE WISE INVESTMENTS OF THE MONEY THAT COMES INTO THE TOWN. I CANNOT , IT LOWERS THE DIGNITY OF THE JOB TO TRY AND PUT HER WHO EVER HOLDS THAT Ps]SITIOI� IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION. OOUNCILMAN MORRELL- IF I CANNOT GET THE WHOLE PIECE OF THE PIE I WILL TAKE IT. I WILL AMEND IT TO ADJUST THE BUDGET FOR THE COUNCILMEN SALARY 292 TO BE $4320. 00 IT WAS THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO ADJUST THE BUDGET TO REFLECT THE COUNCILMEN'S SALARY AT $4320 . 00 SUPERVISOR WALTER- PAGE 11 A2665 WILL NOW BE AT 6 P' AMENDMENT C #3 { COUNCILMAN MORRELL- WE HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED THE CONTRACT FROM WARREN COUNTY CONCERNING THE CONTRACTED POLICE PROTECTION? SUPERVISOR WALTER- NO COUNCILMAN MORRELL- I AM WORRIED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT AND IF WE APPROVE THIS BUDGET AT A $250 ,000 FIGURE FOR POLICE PROTECTION AND THAT CONTRACT IS NOT SATISFACTORY WE �•�'r/ ARE GOING TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION TO RAISE THE POLICE BUDGET FIGURE TO $440 ,246. 00 AS IT WAS LAST YEAR. JUST SO WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO COVER US IF THIS GOES WRONG. t k SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE CONTRACT TERMS ARE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WOULD BE IN THIS BUDGET COME TO $250 ,. 000-YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT] THAT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. . -HE DOLLARS THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOWjAND I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED A BUDGET THAT WAS DRAWN UP BY THE SHERIFF THAT HE WILL LIVE WITH COME TO $250 ,000 . 00 . WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS CONTRACT LANGUAGE. COUNCILMAN MORRELL- IF THIS DOES NOT WORK THEN WE ARE LOCKED INTO $250 ,000s - COUNCILMAN OLSON- THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET SHOWU A FIGURE OF $311 ,000 K SUPERVISOR WALTER- I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO , DAN TO PROTECT YOURSELF] BUT BUDGETING $440 ,000 GOES BACK TO 1982 APPROPRIATIONS IT WILL NOT COVER SALARIES FOR THE EXISTING PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE. .5+0 YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN INCREASE , IN THE BUDGET UNLESS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR REDUCED PROTECTION. THE CONTRACT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS FOR THE SAME PROTECTION. YOU ARE NOT DOING A SERVICE BY , WANTING TO BUDGET AT THIS YEARS APPROPRIATIONS , IT IS NO DIFFERENT k THAT I CAN SEE IT , THAN BUDGETING FOR WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED IN THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET. COUNCILMAN MORRELL- ARE WE NOT REDUCED. TWO DOWN ALREADY? SUPERVISOR WALTER- YES , WE ARE RUNNING NOW WITH TWELVE MEN WITH TEN MEN ON PATROL THROUGH OUT THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE LOOKING TO CONTRACT FOR NINE. WE ARE LOOKING TO CONTRACT FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF COVERAGE WHICH THEY WILL DO WITH NINE BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE RUNNING WITH TEN MEN. COUNCILMAN OLSON- I CALLED THE POLICE STATION TO TALK WITH AN OFFICER AND WAS SURPRISED THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A DISPATCHER+ONE OF OUR PATROLMAN WAS DISPATCHING. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- SO THAT TAKES ANOTHER ONE OFF THE ROAD. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE , WITH OUR POLICE DEPT., WE DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE TWO CARS ON THE ROAD-BY GOING BY CONTRACT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO PATROLS ON THE ROAD AND THAT IS THE POINT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE YOU ARE ACTUALLY A LOT BETTER OFF. i COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- MY PROBLEM WITH THE CONCEPT THAT DAN RAISES is* THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND RAISE THE TAXES k THAT WE WILL NOT NEED IF THE CONTRACT IS SATISFACTORY . WITH THAT EXTRA ' MONEY WE ALSO ARE SAYING TO THE PEOPLEjWE ARE GOING TO TAX YOU MORES WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU LESS PROTECTION THEN WE CAN GET UNDER A CONTRACT SYSTEM. I CANNOT BUY THAT LINE OF REASONING, ALSO WE HAVE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE , CARS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REPLACED, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT4WE SHOULD BE DOING IT NOW . IF CONTRACT IS NOT SATISFACTORY] ALRIGHT WE DO NOT HAVE TO SIGN IT. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- BUT WHO IS DRAWING THE CONTRACT COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- WE ARE , THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING , THE PROBLEM 293 SEEMS TO BE WITH WORRY WITH AN UNSATISFACTORY CONTRACT. A CONTRACT IS NOT A CONTRACT UNTIL WE AGREE TO THE CONTENTS OF ITS UNTIL WE PUT OUR SIGNATURES ON IT. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES , BUT I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH THE CONTRACT, I FEEL THAT THE TALKS HAVE BEEN THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS TO BE IN IT! AND I DO NOT HAVE THAT CONCERN WITH IT. COUNCILMAN EISENHART I DO NOT EITHER. COUNCILMAN MORRELL- YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT IT WOULD BE LESS PROTECTION. I COUNCILMAN MONAHAN-HAN NO , I DID NOT , I SAID YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LESS PROTECTION IF YOU GO WITH A BUDGET OF FOUR HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OUT OF THAT YOU HAVE GOT TO GET RAISES THAT ARE IN THERE , YOU HAVE GOT TO GET i EXTRA HOSPITALIZATION. . . { 1 SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE HOSPITALIZATION ITSELF HAS GONE UP 46% COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- FOUR HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS IN 1983 IS NOT GOING TO BUY THE PROTECTION THAT WAS IN AN 3982 BUDGET. COUNCILMAN MORRELL- I JUST CANNOT UNDERSTAND, I JUST WROTE THIS DOWN , YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT KEEPING THE LIBRARIES� IS GOING TO ATTRACT INDUSTRIESjIF I WERE A NEW INDUSTRY COMING IN I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT POLICE PROTECTION THEN A LIBRARY BOOK. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR REASONING BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE CONVINCED YOURSELF ISITHAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY POLICE PROTECTION AND WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY IS i THAT WE WILL BE GETTING UNDER A CONTRACTS TWO PATROLS PER SHIFT WHICH WE CANNOT DO NOW BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PATROLMEN) AND I?JMERN BEFORE AND NOW WE ARE DOWN TO TEN MEN OUT IN CARS AND TWO OTHER INVESTIGATORS. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- THE AMOUNT OF PROTECTION COMES DOWN TO HOW MANY CARS WE HAVE GOT OUT THERE ON THE ROAD AND THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO t GIVE US THAT MANY IF NOT MORE. t SUPERVISOR WALTER- ALL THE TIME WHAT WE PUT ON THE ROAD SOMETIMES, IT USED TO BE MOST IT IS NOW SOME. SO THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY GETTING MORE PROTECTION THAN Y . IF YOU WERE UNDER CONTRACT-YOU WOULD HAVE MORE PROTECTION RIGHT NOW THEN YOU HAVE AS FAR AS YOU ARE CONCERNED. COUNCILMAN MORRELL- IN ADDITION TO THE TWO THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FROM THE_ COUNTY. SUPERVISOR WALTER- YES. NOTHENG IS GOING TO CHANGE�THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE BY BEING AN AGENCY OF THE COUNTY , EVERY TOWN IN THE COUNTY THIS CONTRACT IS IN ADDITION TO-SO THAT I THINK THE SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU INDICATES THAT THERE ARE FOUR TO FIVE CARS ON THE ROAD IN THE TOWN. SOMETIMES WE HAVE THREE ONE OF WHICH IS OUR$. ON THE HOSPITALIZATION YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE SAME BUDGETTIIWENTY FOUR THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND ONE WHICH WOULD BRING YOUR TOTAL TO FOUR FORTY , THE HOSPITALIZATION ALONE IN THAT CATEGORY GOES UP CLOSE TO $12 ,000 NEXT YEAR. ""AT I AM SAYING, IF YOU SHOULD BUDGET THAT* AND YOU SAY YOU DO NOT LIKE THE CONTRACT YOU ARE NOT ANY BETTER OFF THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING AT BIG INCREASE WHEN YOU HAVE TO LAY OFF MEN IN ORDER TO DO IT. i COUNCILMAN OLSON- WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU COULD NOT MEET THE I NEEDS AND THE REQUIREMENTS AND PAY THE SCALE, YOU WOULD NEED MORE MONEY FOR THAT. i NO ACTION WAS TAKEN ON THAT AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET. . . I SUPERVISOR WAIL TER - THERE WILL BE TWO AMENDMENTS TO THE BUDGET 1 . i REGARDING THE APPROPRIATIONS FOR SALARIES OF THE FOUR COUNCILMEN ' TO BE REDUCED BY $1 ,040. 00 2 . AND INCREASE IN APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE LIBRARY UNDER A7410 2,000 INCREASE FOR CRANDALL LIBRARY ON PAGE 11 OF THE BUDGET THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN THE REVENUE A2665 SALE OF EQUIP. FROM FIVE THE SIX THOUSAND. ) RESOLUTION ADOPTING ANNUAL BU[1GET I RFSftI IITjnWNQ.. 369 , INTRODUCED BY DR. CHARLES FISENHART WHO MOVED FO R. ITS ADOPTION , SECONDED BY MRS. BETTY MONAHAN : E WHEREAS, THIS TOWN BOARD HAS MET AT THE TIME AND PLACE SPECIFIED IN THE 294 k y NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET AND HEARD ALL PERSONS DESIRING TO BE HEARD THEREON , NOW , THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED , THAT THIS TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY ADOPT SUCH PRELIMINARY BUDGET AS AMENDED , AS THE , ANNUAL BUDGET OF THIS TOWN FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING ON THE 1ST DAY OF JANUARY 1983 AND THAT SUCH BUDGET AS SO ADOPTED BE ENTERED IN DETAIL IN THE -MINUTES OF THE PRECEEDINGS OF THIS TOWN BOARD AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED , THAT THE TOWN CLERK OF THIS TOWN SHALL PREPARE AND CERTIFY IN A DUPLICATE COPIES OF SAID ANNUAL BUDGET AS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD TO- GETHER WITH ESTIMATES IF ANY ADOPTED—PURSUANT TO SECTION 202A SUBDIVISION 2 OF THE TOWN LAW AND DELIVER ONE COPY THEREOF TO THE SUPERVISOR OF THIS TOWN TO BE PRESENTED BY HER TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTY . DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE : AYES : MR. OLSON , DR. EISENHART , MRS. MONAHAN , MRS . WALTER �1 NOES : MR. MORRELL ABSENT : NONE ABSTAIN : MRS. MONAHAN ABSTAIN ON A7520 ( BUDGET TO BE FOUND AT THE END OF THESE MINUTES ) MRS. MONAHAN ABSTAINED ON A7520 BECAUSE SHE IS A MEMBER OF THE HISTORICAL BOARD. COMMUNICATIONS LTR. D.O.T. NOTICE OF ORDERS 30 MPH I'N THE LAKE SUNNYSIDE AREA 35 MPH - ON SWEET ROAD:` ON FILE. . . LTR. RECEIVER OF TAXES BETTY EGGLESTON — APPOINTED MRS. .JANICE POTTER AS A DEPUTY EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 12 , 1982 LTR. TO : QUEENSBURY TOWN BOARD FROM:QUEENSBURY POLICE ASSOCIATION ERNEST F. LAVINE — PRESIDENT THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY POLICE ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS THE CONCEPT OF A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH WARREN COUNTY FOR POLICE PROTECTION IN THE TOWN OF PUEENSBURY. THE QUEENSBURY POLICE ASSOCIATION IS INTERESTED IN CONTINUING , WITHOUT INTERRUPTION , THE LEVEL OF POLICE SERVICE NOW AFFORDED TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY . S/S ERNEST LAVINE i LTR. JOSEPH BRENNAN RE : PROCEDURE RE : POSSIBLE ABOLITION OF QUEENSBURY 1 POLICE DEPARTMENT ( ON FILE ) EXCERPT FROM LETTER ',A TOWN MAY ABOLISH A POLICE DEPARTMENT 'QP.ON THE ADOPTION OF AN APPROPRIATE LOCAL LAW TO THAT EFFECT. A PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF SUCH A LOCAL LAW IS REQUIRED, BUT MY RESEARCH AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE LEADS TO THE INESCAPABLE CONCLUSION THAT NO LEGAL MECHANISM IS AVAILABLE WHEREBY A REFERENDUM RELATIVE TO THE POSSIBLE ABOLITION OF A TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT COULD BE LEGALLY HELD. ' ' s REPORTS ` —THE FOLLOWING REPORTS WERE PLACED ON FILE :TOWN CLERK MONTH OF OCTOBER BUILDING & ZONING DEPT. MONTH OF OCTOBER { d OPEN FORUM 8 :42 P. M. HANS HOENCK— 36 TWICWOOD LANE—I WANT TO EXPRESS MY DEEP REGRET THAT THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED ON THE FASHION THAT IT WAS , FOR SEVERAL REASONS. THE COMMENT AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS CARRIED ON BY THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD INDICATED TO ME AGAIN THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY LOOSE ENDS WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONTRACT , REFERRING TO THE SHERIFF CONTRACT WITH THE TOWN BOARD. THERE WAS A PALATABLE ALTERNATIVE OFFERED BY ONE MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD WHICH WOULD NOT MEAN AN INCREAcE IN THE PRESENT BUDGET OF THE POLICE DEPT . THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD PROTECTION _ — -- - -- FOR THE YEAR"IT MIGHT TAKE TO REACH A REASONABLE AND SATISFACTORY CONTRACT WITH THE SHERIFF' S DEPT. THE RESOLUTtN HAS BEEN PASSED WHICH PUTS THE TOWN BOARD AT A REAL DISADVANTAGE NEGOTIATING WITH THE SHERIFFS DEPT. AND ALSO ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER SUCH A CONTRACT TO BE APPROVED. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE ARE DOING THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE AS I INDICATED TO MR. MORRELL , WE HAVE COME TO THE TERMS. i MR. HANS HOENCK- BUT THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE, HOWEVER TAKES TWO TO AGREE TO , WE CANNOT DICTATE SUCH A CONTRACT TO THE SHERIFF OR THE 30ARD OF SUPERVISORS OF THE COUNTYjTHEY NAVE TO BE AGREEABLE TO THESE TERMS SPECIFIED IN THE CONTRACT. 1 SUPERVISOR WALTER- THEY AGREE THAT THE RESOLUTION THAT WILL BE OFFERED `'- BEFORE THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CHAIRMAN OF THE EOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. MR. HANS HOENCK- WE ARE NOT AGREEING IN THE INTREPRETATION YOU MADE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY INTREPRETATION THAT iI IS THE PROCEDURE, THAT IS WHAT THE RESOLUTION WILL STATE. MR. HANS HOENCK- I WOULD HAVE TO .-*RESEARCH THAT IT NEED A CAUTIOUS j APPROACH ON THE TOWN BOARDS PART TO RESOLVE THIS IN A SATISFACTORY 1 MANRIER WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE SHERIFF HAS BEEN BROUGHT IN AND HE HAS GIVEN WHAT HE FEELS IS NECESSARY FOR HIM TO RUN HIS DEPARTMENT NOW IT IS IN THE HANDS OF THE LEGAL STAFF. MR. FANS HOENCK- THE TOWN BOARD HAS NEVER REALLY BEEN WILLING TO ACCEPT ANY ALTERNATIVE RESOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO IT , IT WAS EITHER THIS OR THAT. KEEPING THE PRESENT BUDGET AS PROPOSED BY THE CHIEF OR ABOLISH THE POLICE DEPT. SUPERVISOR WALTER- THE CHIEF DID NOT PROPOSE THE PRESENT BUDGET HE G AVE A BUDGET FOR 1983 I DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT I RECEIVED WHICH GIIES ME A FIGURE THAT WAS NOT THE ONE I USED IN PUTTING THE BUDGET TOGETHER. I HAD SOME FIGURES IN FRONT OF ME THAT WAS ON MY DESK WHEN I CAME IN USING THE FIGURE OF FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN THOUSAND, THAT IS NOT A FIGURE THAT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SERVICES NEXT YEAR WE PROBABLY COULD RUN WITH BECAUSE AS I INDICATEDjTHERE WAS A 46% IN JUST HOSPITALIZATION . '1R. HANS HOENCK- I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT WOULD BE-RATHER THAN THE PERCENTAGE. I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE AMOUNT. 3UT ASIDE FROM THAT I DO NOT THINK IT WOULD SERVE ANY WORTHWHILE PURPOSE GOING (0 INTO THAT DETAIL TONIGHT. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WHO EVER PUT THIS TOGETHER. IT IS BASED ON THE WRONG ASSUMPTION TO BEGIN WITH THAT THIS WOULD BE . . . I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. MR. HANS HOENCK- I AM NOT QUESTIONING THAT I AM NOT MAKING A JUDGEMENT ON THE POLICE CHIEF'S BUDGET PROPOSAL OR WHO EVER PREPARED ITS I AM SAYING NO ALTERNATIVES WERE CONSIDERED BETWEEN THE APPROPRIATIONS OF 82. �- DR. EISENHART- WE WENT THROUGH THE THING AT LENGTH. - . MR. HANS HOENCK- BUT NOT BEFORE THE PUBLIC , YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN THE 4 PUBLIC A CHOICE TO RESPOND TO ANY ALTERNATIVE BUT THE CONTRACT PROPOSAL YOU BROUGHT BEFORE US -{EPE, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO AND FORMALLY PRESENTED HERE MIONDAY, NONE WHAT SO EVER. AGAIN , YOLR:COMMENTS INDICATED THAT YOU HAVE MORE FAITH THAN FACT BELIEVING THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. WILL PROVIDE THE COVERAGE THAT YOU INDICATED. THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT THE SHERIFF DEPT. HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE SOME SERVICES HERE REGARDLESS OWHAT WE ARE DOING. SUPERVISOR WALTER-- MR. HANS YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT-THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUPPLY THE SERVICE THAT THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO DO. MR. HANS HOENCK- I DO NOT QUESTION THAT-THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDING THAT ALL ALONG. I SUPERVISOR WALTER- NO , THEY HAVE NOT , l = 296 MR. HANS HOENCK— IF THEY HAVE NOTOSOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE NOT MADE THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. SUPERVISOR WALTER THE CONTRACT IS FOR SERVICE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THE PRESENT COVERAGE IS IN THE TOWN OF gUEENSBURY . MR. HANS HOENCK— WHAT I AM SAYINGJTHE SHERIFF'S DEPT. THROUGH THE CONTROBUTION WHICH THE TOWNSHIP MAKES TO WARREN COUNTY 31% OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. COSTS ARE SUPPORTED BY THE TOWN , AM I CORRECT? E SUPERVISOR WALTER— THAT IS RIGHT. PAR. HANS HOENCK— FOR THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WHLCH THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE. MR. HANS HOENCK�-WHICH THEY HAVE TO CONTINUE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO. SUPERVISOR WALTER— THAT IS RIGHT. f' MR. HANS HOENCK- . . . A VERY NICE POSITION FOR KEEPING THE BOOK OPEN F SO TO SPEAK AS REPRESENTATIVE MORRELL PROPOSED TO NEGOTIATE WITH (' FOR A SATISFACTORY CONTRACT-BUT HERE WE ARE GIVING THEM AN OPEN BOOK WITH THIS RESOLUTION SAYING SUPERVISOR WALTER— THAT IS NOT TRUE , I HAVE BEEN IN ON THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SHERIFF'S WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND IT IS A LITTLE MORE THAN AN OPEN BOOK , I AM SORRY YOU THINK IT IS THAT. THE PUBLIC NEVER SEEN A CONTRACT UNTIL IT IS COMPLETED THE PUBLIC DOESNOT SIT IN ON CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS THAT IS HIGHLY IRREGULAR. MR. HANS HOENCK- THAT WELL MAY BE , BUT YOU HAVE PASSED A RESOLUTION AS IF A CONTRACT HAD BEEN FINALIZED. SUPERVISOR WALTER— WE ARE FURTHER ALONG IN THE CONTRACT THAN I THINK THAT YOU PEOPLE REALIZE. SECONDLY THERE IS SOME RESISTANCE ON THE PART OF THE ATTORNIES TO PUT TOGETHER CONTRACTS-AS FAR AS MUNICIPAL` ATTORNIES TO PUT THEIR TIME. INTO IT WHEN IN FACT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHETHER THERE IS A NEED FOR A CONTRACT OR NOT. IT TAKES A LONG TIME. MR. HANS HOENCK— THIS IS EVEN ADDING TO THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE THAT WE REALLY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FACTS TO FEEL SATISFIED. SUPERVISOR WALTER— THE BOARD FELT THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH FACTS� MR. CHASE HAS A LETTER FROM POLICE ASSOCIATION THIS EVENING WHERE THEY SUPPORT THE CONCEPT , I THINK THAT IS A VERY GOOD INDICATION THAT WE ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION . I FEEL VERY BADLY THAT YOU FEELTHAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR FROM THE BEGINNING) BUT IF YOU WOULD CARE TO DO THATO THEN THE PLACE TO BE IS HERE. WE HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO DO THOSE THINGS. MR. HANS HOENCK— WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU '-OUR CONCERNS. { t SUPERVISOR WALTER— THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND I APPRECIATE THAT. MR. HANS HOENCK— I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO SOMETHING. d SUPERVISOR WALTER— I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO DO SO . r ` MR. HANS HOENCK— I STILL REPEAT THAT I FEEL THAT THE TOWN BOARDI TOOK A RATHER HASTY STEP TOWARD THE CONSOLIDATION OF SERVICES . YOU COULD HAVE GIVEN MORE TIME BECAUSE THERE ARE DEEP SEEDED j CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY , NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. SUPERVISOR WALTER— I AGREE WITH YOU. i MR. HANS HOENCK— SOME OF THEM WERE EVEN VOICED , MR. MORRELL , THEY ! ARE VERY VALID, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO THIS AREA. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT IS GOING TO BE ASKED IS THE TYPE OF POLICE PROTECTION AND I HOPE IT IS GOING TO BE OK. WE ARE A PROGRESSIVE COMMUNITY THERE IS NO QUESTIION ABOUT IT. 1 SUPERVISOR WALTER— THERE IS ONLY ONE OTHER COMMUNITY THAT HAS GROWN 297 FASTER THAN QUEENS61URY IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, BETWEEN ALBANY AND THE PLATTSBURG AREA AND THAT IS THE TOWN OF CLIFTON PARK. THEY DO NOT HAVE A POLICE DEPT. AND THEY HAVE HAD AN INFLUX OF INDUSTRY AND COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT IN THAT TOWN. THEY ARE TOTALLY COVERED BY THE STATE POLICE AND THE SHERIFFS DEPT. THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE A CONTRACT THEY ARE JUST RECEIVING THE AMOUNT OF SERVICES THE SARATOGA COUNTY SHERIFF FEELS THAT THEY CAN GIVE. THEY HAVE TWO CARS ON THE ROAD AS A MINIMUM BETWEEN THE TOWN OF CLIFTON PARK ,HALF MOOM AND WATERFOF AND THEY HAVE A POPULATION OF ABOUT TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE JUST IN CLIFTON PARK ALONE. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME RESEARCH INTO WHO HAS WHAT4AND WE HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE AND SEEN HOW THEY ARE GETTING ALONG WITH THIS KIND OF THING. MR. HANS HOENCK—YOUR ASSESSMENT AS FAR AS THE CLIFTON PARK SITUATION L IS CONCERNEDjIT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ONE THAT WE ACCEPT. SUPERVISOR WALTER— YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. COUNCILMAN MORRELL— THEY HAVE HAD THREE BANK ROBBERIES IN THE LAST YEAR. MR. HANS HOENCK ANOTHER POINT THAT HAS BEEN MADE—IT WOULD NOT BE EASY TO LET THE TAX PAYERS IN THIS COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT A BUDGET INCREASE, IF ONE WERE TO TAKE PLACEjWOULD AMOUNT TO PER THOUSAND DOLLARS OF ASSESSED EVALUATION. I - RESEARCHED THIS A LITTLE BIT AND I MADE UP A TABULATION THAT I HOPE IS CORRECT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNTS I WAS ,GIVEN BY THE ASSESSOR—HERE IT IS VERY EASY. WITH THE GENERAL ASSESSMENT ANYONE CAN KNOW IMMEDIATELY WHAT SHARE OF THE BUDGET INCREASE IS. AND YOU INDICATED MONDAY THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE EASY TO DO? SUPERVISOR WALTER- NO, I SAID I HATED TO COME FORWARD WITH A TAX RATE BEFORE WE HAD A PREPARED BUDGET, BUT I DID TELL YOU WHAT THE INCREASI WOULD BE AS FAR AS THE $1 . 00 ON A ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND. MR. HANS HOENCK— ANY CHANGE IN BUDGET . SUPERVISOR WALTER— WHAT WE DID TONIGHT PROBABLY WOULD COME OUT LESS THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS DIFFERENCE, SO IT WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BUT ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO RAISE BY TAXES IN THIS TOWN IS FAIRLY LOW. IT IS ABOUT HALF A" MILLION DOLLARS NOT QUITE, ft SO MONIES THAT ARE ADDED IN THE TEN THOUSAND FIFTY DOES MAKE A DIFFERECE ON A TOTAL TOWN BUDGET. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A BUDGETAWE ARE RAISING TWO MILLION THIRTYFOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS IN TAXES BUT THAT IS NOT TOWN WIDE. PEOPLE GET CONFUSEDAAND IF YOU GIVE THEM A FIGURE AND IT CHANGES TWO OR THREE CENTS THEY GET VERY UPSET ABOUT IT-THAT IS WHY I AM HESTITANT TO SAY. YOU HAVE AN INDICATION IF YOUR TAXES ARE GOING UP FROM RAISING THREE HUNDRED AND ELEVEN THOUSAND ONE YEAR TO'IFAUR ANDS€VENTY TWO THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASE IN TAXES. MR. HANS HOENCK— PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY HOW IT IS GOING TO EFFECT THE UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL TAX BILL. THEY SHOULD BE IN A POSITION TO DETERMINE READILY BEFORE THEY RESPOND TO THE TOWN BOARD ON ANY PROPOSAL. DR. EISENHART- DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, HANS , THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS TAX RATES THAT APPLY TO VARIOUS AREA? MR. HANS HOENCK— I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE. DR. EISENHART— YES YOU ARE. MR. HANS HOENCK— NO I AM NOT , I AM TALKING ABOUT A GENERAL FUND INCREASE SUCH AS THE POLICE BUDGET INCREASE THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE TOTAL M ASSESSMENT . s `— DR. EISENHART— BUT YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IN SOME OF THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS THERE ARE REDUCTIONS , SO IT IS NOT THE SAME, YOU WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO GO HOUSE BY HOUSE. MR. HANS HOENCK— ANSWER ME A SIMPLE-IF WE HAVE A TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE OF ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR MILLION ROUNDED OFF AND WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN THE POLICE DEPT. BUDGET IF IT WERE TO BE OF A HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS, 17ACH TAXPAYER WOULD READILY DETERMINE FROM LOOKING AT THEIR TAX BILL RECOGNIZING THEIR ASSESSED VALUE HOW MUCH MORE THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY JUST FOR THAT POLICE PORTION OF THE BUDGET. ii SUPERVISOR WALTER— PEOPLE DO NOT LOOK AT IT THAT WAY , THEY ARE LOOKING i 298 AT THE BOTTOM LINE. YOU CAN ADD A LOT , THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. MR. HANS HOENCK- THIS WAS QUESTIONED MONDAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS READILY AVAILABLE TO TAXPAYERS IF THEY WANT TO KNOW. SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU CAN FIGURE THAT OUT� BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE A BUDGET OFFICER HAS EVER SAT DOWN WITH THIS KIND OF A SHEET THAT YOU HAVE PUT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD THIS EVENING AND DID THAT FOR EVERY ACCOUNT. . . . YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM LINE. MR. HANS HOENCK- LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY BEING THAT POLICE PROTECTION IS THAT IMPORTANT AND BEING THOUGHT TO BE THAT IMPORTANT BY MANY [ CITIZENSAIT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW T__HAT T . WOULD COST THEM f SO MUCH PER YEAR TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE. p SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE WANT TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE, AND THAT IS WHAT YOU, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT , THAT CAN HAPPEN. MR. HANS HOENCK- I AM NOT CONVINCED BECAUSE I THINK- YOU ARE ON f `VERY WEAK GROUNDS NOW NEGOTIATING WITH THE COUNTY . SUPERVISOR WALTER- OK , I THINK YOU HAVE MADE YOUR POINT ON THAT SUBJECT. (1 l MR. HANS HOENCK- ONE OTHER QUESTION=,WE HAVE SUBMITTED A COPY TO YOU AND WE WOULD LIKEIO HAVE YOU RESPOND TO IT IF YOU COULD. THESE ARE PART OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED TO US. q r DR. EISENHART- ALL I CAN SAY ON THE FIRST QUESTION IS THAT I HAVE TALKED WITH TWO SENIOR CITIZENS. MR. HANS HOENCK- HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SENIOR CITIZENS CLUB? WOULDN'.T IT BE ADVISABLE TO TALK WITH THE SENIOR'S CLUBS? MRS. MONAHAN- ON ANOTHER MATTERjI MET WITH PEOPLE FROM THE SENIOR CITIZENS CLUB AND THEY DID NOT EVEN BRING IT UP:: COUNCILMAN EISENHART- I SPOKE THIS AFTERNOON TO A GROUP OF -SENIOR CITIZENS AND JOKINGLY I QUESS MAYBE: IT TURNED IT OFF, BUT I SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICE DEPT, DO NOT HESTITATE TO RAISE THEM , NO ONE RAISED THEM, THE TIME WENT PRETTY FAST BUT I DID OFFER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT- HAVE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I HAVE TALKED TO QUITE A FEW SENIOR CITIZENS ON THE _PHONE AND THEN STAFF COULD ATTEST TO THAT , SOME VERY IRATE SENIOR CITIZENS WHO ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT Ll{3 THEIR POLICE DEPT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT EVERY ONE THAT I TALKED TO THAT HUNG UP SAID THAT IS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING, THAT IS NOT HOW I HEARD IT. I FEEL VERY 'SORRY THAT I CANNOT GET OUT ON A ONE TO ONE BASIS WITH THESE PEOPLE , ' THE SENIOR CITIZENSOAS YOU SAIDjTHEY ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE ELIMINATION OF THE POLICE DEPT. AS MUCH"AS THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ELIMINATION OF THE POLICE COVERAGE BUT ONCE THEY FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH POLICE COVERAGE AS THEY HAVE EVER HAD AND ON ANY GIVEN DAYS MORE` THEY FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT IT. THEY DO NOT RAISE THE SAME CONCERNS YOU DO ABOUT NEGOTIATING CONTRACT TERMS) THEY ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING POLICE CAR PATROL AND SOMEONE THEY CAN CALL AND RELY ON AND THAT IS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO . THE QUESTION WAS RAISED ; HERE AT THE HEARING ABOUT, WE LIKE TO KNOW OUR POLICE DEPT.OWE LIKE TO KNOW THEM. THAT IS WHY WE ARE ATTEMPTINGTO HAVE THE FELLOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED IN OUR POLICE DEPT. TO TAKE THE POSITIONS TO HAVE THE POSITIONS OF THE NEW JOBS UP AT V!ARREN COUNTY. THEY WILL BE. . . I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IS OK . jMR. HANS HOENCK- DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING , I COME BACK,, HAVE YOU A FIRM CONTRACT GIVING THESE ASSURANCES TO US , I AM NOT HERE TO _,PROTECT THE PRESENT STATUS OF THE POLLC DEPT. WE ARE ESSENTIALLY 1 TALKING ABOUT ADEQUATE POLICE PROTECTION . . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE WILL HAVE ADEQUATE POLICE PROTECTION AND THE SENIOR CITIZENS CAN FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT. GOING ON TO NUMBER TWO , YOU ASKED ABOUT OUR CHIL?Rq N , AT THE SCHOOL-RADAR AND 3 PATROL CAR OBSERVATION IS EVIDENT ANDf\ �U BE ASSURED OF THE SAME PROTECTIO FOR OUR LOVED ONES, PARTICULARILY DURING THE TOURIST SEASON WHEN THE SHERIFF WILL HAVE HIS SANM FULL IN OTHER AREAS. THE SHERIFF BY THE LAWS OF THE COUNTYATHAT LET A SHERIFF'S DEPT. EXISTjHAS TO COVER THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. IN TALKING WITH THE SHERIFF THERE IS VERY RARELY ANY TIME THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TWO CARS IN THIS TOWN OF THE SHERIFF'S PATROL. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TOURIST SEASON-UNDER THE CONTRACT WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE TWO CARS UNDER CONTRACT WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE NOW SOMETIMES BY THE POLICE DEPT. WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE TWO CARS UNDER THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO OTHER AREAS , THE CONTRACT IS THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL BE IN QUEENSBURY-THAT IS ANOTHER MISCONCEPTION OF THE.-PUBLIC, THAT THEY WILL HIRE NINE PEOPLE UP AT WARREN COUNTY TO PATROL THE WHOLE COUNTY THAT IS NOT THE IDEA OF IT. THE CONTRACTUAL BASIS IS THAT WE WILL HAVE TWO CARS WERE PER SHIFT ON A CONTRACTUAL BASIS. MR. HANS HOENCK- IN SOME FASHION IT IS A MISLEADING STATEMENT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PARTIAL COVERAGE BY THE SHERIFF DEPT. NOW, IF YOU ADD THAT TO THE COVERAGE OUR POLICE DEPT. PROVIDING THEN IT IS MORE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- NO IT IS NOT, COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO UNDER 6ONTRACT EQUALIVA NT TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW FROM OUR OWN POLICE DEPT. SOMETIMES IT IS MORE BECAUSE OUR OWN POLICE DEPT. CANNOT FURNISH THAT MUCH , ALSO NOW AND UNDER THE CONTRACT RULESjWE HAVE TWO CARS OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. THE TWO ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE OF EACH OTHERIYOU CANNOT EITHER OR. YOU HAVE THE ONES UNDER CONTRACT AND THE ONES IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. THERE IS NO CROSS OVER. MR. HANS HOENCK- WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. ACTAULLY IS RUNNING TWO SYSTEMS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT , ONE FOR THE QUEENSBURY ONE FOR THE NORMAL SHERIFF PROTECTION. SO , WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DUPLICATION AGAIN. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- NO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT DUPLICATION BECAUSE WE ARE -- GOING TO HAVE ONE ADMINISTRATOR WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DISPATCHER SYSTEM THAT IS GOVERNING THEM BOTH , IT IS JUST LIKE ANY BUSINESS , A BUSINESS CAN ALSO TAKE ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONTRACTS. MR. HANS HOENCK- I CANNOT SEE THE NUMBERS COMING OUT THAT WAY. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE HAVE OUR INSURANCE RATES•WILL THEY INCREASE? r NO MY INSURANCE AGENT SAYS THAT YOU ARE IN A CERTAIN AREA , fUEENSSURY, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOURi NSURANCE AGENT WOULD TELL YOU BUT HE SAYS THAT THEY HAVE A GIVEN NUMBER AND THAT WILL BE NO PROBLEM. THE CHANGE OF THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY A DECREASE? I RATHER DOUBT THAT. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- I WOULD THINK THAT IT MIGHT INCREASE, I RECOGNIZE THE PEOPLE HERE AND APPLAUD YOUR PUBLIC SPIRITED WILLINGNESS TO PAY g EXTRA MONEY, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY WITH WHOM I HAVE TALKED IWBO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TAXES . WHEN WE CAN OPERATE AND PROVIDE THE SAME OR BETTER COVERAGE AT LESS MONEY OUR TAX LOAD IS REDUCED AND THIS WOULD INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE TOWN BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT FACING AN _�ONORMOUS TAX LOAD THAT THE STATE OF NEW YORK IS NOTORIOUS IN IMPOSING ON ITS CITIZENS , SO THIS WILL BE A HELP IN TERMS OF VALUE I THINK. MR. FANS HOENCK- IF THE COST WOULD NOT RAISE BEYOND THE _ 60ST TO RUN OUR OWN POLICE DEPT. AND THIS COULD VERY WELL BE , WE ARE ONLY TALKING } ABOUT A VERBAL CONTRACT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY FIRM APPROVED SPECIFICS. �I I SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU ARE ON A MISCONCEPTION AND I AM SORRY THAT YOU FEEL THAT WE JUST DECIDED_ALL OF THIS WITHOUT HAVING ANY COMMIT+MENTS OR WHATEVER, WE ARE JUST OUT ON A LIMB SOMEWHERE. I DO NOT SEEM TO BE ABLE TO ASSURE YOU THAT THIS IS NOT SO. I THINK THAT YOU REALLY I SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN YOUR GOVERNMENT. SMALLER BUSINESSES WHO CANNOT AFFORD ELABORATE SECURITY SYSTEMS BUT MUST DEPEND ON THE QUEENSBURY POL'I:CE. .'. SMALLER BUSINESS PEOPLE DO •KNOW THE MEN IN THE DEPARTMENT I THINK THAT IF THEY DONX ANOTHER UNIFORM WHICH THEY HAVE SHOWN BY THEIR LETTER TO THE BOARD THIS EVENI,NGJTHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO., I DO NOT THINK IT IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR CHARACTER OR THE CALABRR OF THE SERVICE 'THAT THEY GIVE j _TO THE COMMUNITY ONE BIT , IF THEIR MORAL` IS A LITTLE BETTER THEY I PROBABLY GIVE BETTER SERVICE. I CANNOT SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BOTHER. + AT A TIME WHEN UNEMPLOYMENT IS RUNNING $O HIGH WHERE IS THE CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LOSS THEIR JOBS FOR THE TOWN BOARD VOTES TO j ABOLISH THE QUEENSBURY POLICE? DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK -TL+O THAT? I COUNCILMAN EISENHART- AS FAR AS I UNDERS14ND THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL MAY LOSE A JOB. (f { Soo MR. HANS HOENCK- THAT IS ENCOURAGING TO HEAR. t, COUNCILMAN EISENHART- THIS IS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I HAVE , MAYBE. . . f SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT WAS THE CONCERN OF THE TOWN BOARD WHEN I', AS THE BUDGET OFFICERIBROUGHT THE CONCEPT TO THAT IN FACT THAT WAS THE FIRST ' QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, WE DO NOT WANT , ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF G VERY WELL TRAINED POLICEMEN UNEMPLOYED IF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CASE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE HAS BEEN A GREAT -DEAL OF EFFORT INTO TRYING TO LOOK FOR LEADS AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE WHO PERHAPS MAY NOT GO OVER UNDER, THE CONTRACT. WHETHER THERE WOULD BE OPENINGS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SHERIFFS DEPT. OR CITY POLICE DEPT. ` OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY COULD. BE PICKED UP AND COULD BE EMPLOYED AND IT HAS BEEN A REAL CONCERN FROM THE TOWN BOARD THAT WE DO NOT LOSE ` TRAINED OFFYCERS . MR. HANS HOENCK- YOUR ACTIONS ARE VERY COMMENDABLEOI THINK IF TH'I:S SHOULD COME TO PASS � I THINK THESE PEOPLE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. SUPERVISOR WALTER- I VERY SINCERELY DO NOT WISH TO SEE THEM UNEMPLOYED AND I DO NOT, THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ABOUT TO DO. COUNCILMAN OLSON- OVER THE WEEKEND AND ALSO THIS AFTERNOON SAW TWO OF OUR POLICEMENII HAD PARTICULAR QUESTIONS TO ASK THEM AGAIN ABOUT THEIR POSITION ON THIS PROPOSAL. THEY ALL HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THEIR SENIORITY , THEIR RANK AND PAY AND JOB SECURITY. AS FRAN-POINTED OUT IT HAS BEEN THE DISCUSSION OF THIS BOARD FROM THE BEGINNING OF ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS PROPOSAL THAT THE MAIN FUNCTION WOULD BE THAT THESE PEOPLE HAD THE POSITIONS , IT WILL HAVE TO BE SPELLED OUT IN A CONTRACT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN TO THE COUNTY , AND THEIR POSITION. A MAN WHO WAS A SARGEANT IN THE COUNTY THREE MONTHS AGO WILL NOT HAVE MORE SENIORITY THAN A SARGEANT WITH '14 YEARS SERVICE. MRS. WALTER - THAT IS GOVERNED BY CIVIL SERVICE LAW . MR. OLSON - I HAVE HAD ONGOING CONVERSATION WITH TWO OTHER POLICE AGENCIES IN THIS AREA AND THERE IS A POSSIBLIITY OF VACANCIES IN THE�j DEPARTMENTS. ONE HAS A TENTATIVE VACANCY. MRS. WALTER - YOU INDICATE , WHY IS THERE HASTE ON THE PART OF THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE THIS CHANGE? WHY CAN NOT IT BE STUDIED FOR THE NEXT YEAR TO INSURE THE QUEENSBURY RESIDENTS CAN HAVE A VOICE IN THE MATTER? MR. EISENHART - I ' VE STUDIED IT SINCE 1977. I WAS LONG AGO CONVINCED THAT THIS W.AS THE WAY TO GO. ANOTHER YEAR OF STUDY IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY OUTLOOK ON THE THING. MR. HOENCK - WE ARE WALKING AROUND THE BUSH WHEN WE ADDRESS Ol)RELVES TO THIS CONCERN THERE,HASTE. MR. EISENHART - YOU MEAN FIVE YEARS IS TOO SHORT A TIME? MR. HOENCK - WE ARE. TALKING ABOUT 6 WEEKS AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC MOVE , TO SEEK A CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OVER MANY YEARS , I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT THE SPECIFIC MOVE AT THIS TIME TO ABOLISH THE POLICE DEARTMENT AND SEEK SIMILAR SERVICE WITH TH COUNTY THROUGH A CONTRACT , THAT CAME UP WITHIN THE LAST SIX WEEKS . MRS. WALTER - YOU CAN NOT COME BEFORE THE PUBLIC WITH AN IDEA BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS INTERESTED IN FACTS. THEY WANT TO KNOW COST. WE HAVE DISCUSSED ALTERNATE METHODS OF POLICE COVERAGE AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS , AND THE STATEMENTS THAT THE BOARD FAVORED THE CONCEPT OF A COUNTY WIDE POLICE SERVICE ARE ON RECORD SINCE 1981 , THEY WERE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER. AT MAY 18, 1982 MYSELF AND SUPERVISOR ROBERTSON, AT THE TOWN BOARDjSTATED THEIR SUPPORT OF CONSOLIDATED "COVERAGE , GOING TOWARDS THIS POLICE, AND AS EARLY AS APRIL 29 1981 , : I PROPOSED A MOTION AT THE COUNTY LEVEL , THEN BEING A MEMBER OF THE SHERIFF' S COMMITTEE , TO FURTHER LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY REGARDING THE COUNTY WIDE POLICE COVERAGE. WHERE-ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THAT TIME, DETERMINED TO HAVE A STUDY DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES IN ALBANY. .F - 3a � THAT STUDY HAS TAKEN OVER A YEAR AND IT JUST CAME BACK AT THE BEGINNING SEPTEMBER WHEREUPON THE SHERIFF. PLUGGED IN SOME FT6URES OUfi )OF THAT REPORT, AND GAVE ME SOME INFORMATION FOR MY Bf?D ET. S WHEN THOSE THINGS CAME "AVAIL.ABLE AND I. HAD MY DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM, I AM SORRY FR6M 1981 , WHEN THE BOARD .TOLD THE PUBLIC' THROUGHIME PRESS' THAT `THEY FAVORED SUCH A CONCEPT, NOBODY CAME TO THE BOARD I SUCH NUMBERS , NO ONE CALLED US AT HOME TO SAY DO NOT DO THAT , WE WANT TO RETAIN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT .TOOK GOOD WR �Rb' FIdUROS '°ON A BUDGET IN ORDER FOR EVERYBODY TO. .SAY , THEY HAVE BEEN 'TALONG ABOUT IT FOR ALONG TIME, NOW THEY ARE GOING TO DO -^ SOME'THINC,, ABOilt IT, AND NOW WE ARR , GOING TO GET UP AND VOICE OUR OPINION, YOU CAN NOT DO THAT, WHEN SOMEONE MAKES . A DECISION IT IS BA'SE'D ON SOMETHING AND IDE'AS', NO, WE DID NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING (9N AN IDEA, BUT IT HAS BEEN GENERATING AND IT HAS BEEN OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THAT THIS MOVE WAS` UNDEfRFOOT MR. ;RbENCK ' — I TAKE ONE EXCEPTION TO,YOUR CONCLUSION* 'THAT THIS ENTERTAINED A NORMAL EVOLVING'' TYPE ,f.*OTION HERE. NOT THE ABOLISHMENT ` 0THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ESTABLISHING A COUNTY WIDE POLICE ORGANIZATION. THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT DR. EISENHART REFERRED TO. WE WERE NOT TALKING FOR THIS CONSIDERABLE TIME A60UT ABOLISHING T`HE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CONTRACTING SERVICES WITH ,.THE TCbljN'TY MRS. ' WALTER - WHAT DO YOU THINK A COUNTY WIDE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE? IT' WCIULD"'bE A COUNTY DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD PROBABLY LOCATED WHERE THE PRESENT SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT NOW,{'r%*,WOULD NOT BE ANY POLICE FOR THE TOWN , THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. i Mtn=`t'1OENCK -. DO NOT TRY TO CONVINCE" ME THAT THE INITIAL PLAN SEEKING X 'CbONTY POLICE ORGANIZATION IS NOW WHAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE BEFORE US."I -T is NOT. IT IS A MAJOR STEP'. a `' 1i &," WALTER No IT IS NOT. FIRST YOU SEND OVER, YOUR DISPATCHING, i#i "t H`WE OIL? IN THE EVENINGS, O`UR CETA RAN. OUT IN JUNE DF 19.81; AND T `1 MOVED '-6ISPATCHING ON THE EVtNI�NGSHIFT UP TO THE COUNTY., THAT IS t E1�IF25T STEP, THE SECOND STEP IS CONTRACTUAL , YOU CAN EITHER STAY M AT THAT LEVEL L}R GO TO A CONSOLIDATED POLICE FORCE. E MR. }�OETtiC - THE REASON WE ARE 'CALLING IT HASTY , IF YOU HAD PROPOSED THIS IN DUE TIME , NO DOUBT YOU"COULD HAVE BEEN IN A POSITION TO PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC AND QUEENSBURY TOWNSHIP , AN AGREED UPON CONTRACT WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT , GIVING ALL IT'S DETAILS TO THE PUBLIC. MRS. WALTER - I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD SINCE 1977. THERE HAS NEVER EVER TO MY KNOWLEDGE BEEN ANY MEMBER OF' THE PUBLIC FOR ALL THE CONTRACTS THAT THE SUPERVISOR BEFORE ME AND MYSELF AS SUPERVISOR HAS SIGNED, WHO 'HAVE COME AND LOOKED AT THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. MANY HAVE BEEN SI6NEp, PEOPLE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH IT WHO WILL COME UP AND WANT TO TAKE A PEAK AT IT, BUT NEVER BEFORE THEY WERE SIGNED., OR ON ANY SUBJECT HAS THE PUBLIC TAKEN THE INTEREST TO COME UP AND LOOK AT THE DETAILS OF THE CONTRACT. IT IS POSSIBLE,HE POL BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO ADMIT , MAKING THE POLICE' PROTECTION IS ANOTHER MATTER. MRS. WALTER - THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THE 'POLICE PROTECTI WE ARE HAVING THE' SAME A ON. MOUNT OF PROTECTION. THE 'ADMINISTRATIVE bECISI THAT THIS "BOA06 HAS' MA`DE THROUGH THE BUDGETARY PROCESS THIS EVENING IS TO SHIFT THAT COVERAGE TO ANOTHER AGENCY. WE ARENDT CHANGING IT. MR. HOENCK - YOU' ARE LOSING C;OCAL CONTROL. AS WELL. MRS. 'WALTER - THERE ARE SOME VARYING , OPINIQNS ON EXACTLY HOW MUCH CONTROL YOU HAVE OVER A POLICE DEPARTMENT OR A LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT OR WHATEVER. YOU ASKED IFwNHAD CONSIDERED ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES? WE HAVE TALXtD ABOUT THAT, WHAT VALUE E BOARD PLACING ON PERS`'ONALIZED RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR,- DEPARTMENT AND THE . RESIDENTS OF QUEENSBURY? I THINK WE ARE PLACING HIGH VALUE ON IT THAT IS WHY WE WANT OUR GUYS LOCATED HERE, A.ND _HAVE THAT SAME PERSONAL RLL Al''IONSH IP. MRS. MONAHAN — I.N ADDITION,. .I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD BE AWARE. t3F THE FACT , I DO NOT KNOW THE NUMBER, I KNOW THAT I HAVE TWO °T,HAT LIVE CLOSE TO ME, THEY ARE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSOURY THAT ARE ON THE SHERIFF' S DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW. HOW MANY OTMER RESIDENTS ARE ON THE SHERIFF' S DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW , I DO NOT : KNOW. MRS. WALTER — THERE ARE QUEENSBURY RESIDENTS ALREADY ON THE-i RIFF'S PATROL. MANY OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES HAVE BEEN ON PATROL ^HERE AND THE AREA IS VERY FAMILIAR TO THEM SO. THAT EVEN SOME ON%lwtfO HAS TO STEP IN FROM THE THIRTY UP THERE TO COVER THIS AREA FDR SICKNESS OR HEALTH, VACATIONS OR ILlo"ESS OR WHATEVER_, WOUL -STILL BE FAMILIAR TO THE RESIDENTS , THEY ARE NOT STRANGERS THAT WE !.ARE BRINGING IN FROM THE CITY POLICE FORCE, MRS. MONAHAN — SOME ARE OX MEMBERS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.- --, MRS. WALTER — MANY OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE GONE TO THE WARREN,;0004TY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. MR. HOENCK — THIS COULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED WITH MORE MODERATION ON YOUR PART, WITH A BETTER MODE OF COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC;,; WHAT YOU ARE ENTERTAINING, IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION , SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS COULD HAVE BEEN RESOLVED WITHOUT ANY DIFFICULTY. BUT;:'THE ABSENCE OF, SUCH COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC HAVE GIVEN A LOT OF EMOTIONAL CONCERN TO THIS GROUP. MRS. WALTER — I SINCERELY REGRET THAT. THE COMMUNICATION HAS NOT BEEN WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND IF I AM GUILTY OF ANYTHING, I THIt4K THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT IT WOULD BE. ;TILED -MY BUDGET TWO DAYS EAMY ,;. AND HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE THAT NIGHT, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE BOARD KNEW ABOUT IT, AND YOU HEARD ABOUT IT THE SAME TIME THEY DID, AND I FELT THAT THAT-WAS WHAT I COULD DO. IF I HAD THE FIGURE-S _AVAILABLE , I WOULD HAVE. SHARED THEM WITH THE BOARD, I THINK THAT VERY, SAME DAYS I' CALLED IN THE CHIEF AND ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE POLICE-,ASspCIATIO — SO THAT EVERYBODY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AT THE SAME 'TIME , THERE WAS NOT ANY LAG TIME , AND I SURE WAS NOT HOLDING A-NYTHING BACK FROM, T-HE PUBLI ° I REGRET THAT THERE HAS BEEN A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM. I HOPE WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE .SOME FURTHER .COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC SQ ' THAT YOU WILL KNOW AND BE REASSURED THAT YOU ARE NOT LOSING POLICE <COVERAGE AND THAT YOU WILL BE ADEQUATELY PROTECTED. MRS. MONAHAN - THE CONTRACT WILL BE OPEN TO THEIR INSPECTION. MRS. WALTER - WHEN I GET THE CONTRACT I WILL CALL YOU. MR. HOENCK — MRS. WALTER, THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT. THE GENERAL• PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFICS ARE ,IN THIS CONTRACT SO THEY CAN BE RELIEVED IN THEIR CONCERN OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I WILL FIND OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. a MRS. WALTER — WE WILL DO OUR UTMOST TO GET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. MR. BEATY - I AM NOT FOR OR AGAINST THE CHANGE IN POLICE PR(3,TECTION. I DO. FEEL THAT SUCH A LARGE DECISION SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT UP TO THE PEOPLE. I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE BALLOT NOVEMBER 2ND TO LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT IT OR- NOT. I KNOW YOU,, , H&)AE— BEEN STUDYING THIS FOR ALONG TIME. I -THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFpT' UP TO THE PEOPLE. MRS. WALTER — IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING , WE DID .SAY' WE WOULD CONSIDER IT , MR. CHASE HAS A THREE PAGE LETTER WHICH I JUST RECEIVED FROM OUR- TOWN ATTORNEY TODAY WHERE HE CITES CASES, IT IS NOT LEGAL AND THERE IS NO MECKANISM TO ;DO IT LEGALLY, MR. BEATY - YOU CAN ABOLISH IT OR MAKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT , :I KNOW THIS. I AM NOT SAYING YOU. CAN NOT DO IT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS , I- THINK IT IS ADVISABLE TO PUT IT BEFORE THE PEOPLE, MRS. WALTER— IT IS ILLEGAL TO EXPEND TOWN FUNDS ON A NON-LEGAL_ SUBJECT FOR A REFERENDUM. --- — _ { 3 '14R. , BEA Y - YOU ARE NOT SPEN1310G TOWN FUNDS, ZF IT .�,S QN Tt(E: NOy"ElER 12NtD" BALLOT WHICH IS IN ALL THE POLLING PLACES, MRS. WALTER - I SUGGEST THAT YOU READ MR. BRENNANkS LETTER, MR. "BEATY + I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND COUNCILMAN DANIEL r013RELL, HE IS HOLDING THE LINE ON THE SALARIES AND AT THIS TIME I TRtNK IT IS A VERY GOOD THING -TO DO. 'OUR SUPERVISOR, I BEL,IEYE FIAS INCREASED 33% IN TWO YEARS+, ' I `WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD HOLD THE LINE TOD)BUT YOU DID NOT. Ll— MR`: TURNBULL -- I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY SENIOR CITIZENS , I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE SEN IOR''CI T I ZENS I AM CONCERNED` ABOUT WHAT THE TAXES ARE GOING TO BE WITH THE TNPLATED BUDGET OF TWo HUNDRED AND SIXTYFIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS tI -THINK THAT THE TOwN', BOARD 19 WELL AWARE OF WHAT OUR POLICE PROTECTION 440W)BIAIE, I DO NOT THINK--'THAT I HAVE ANY CALLS REGARDING THIS PRO OR AM 'DEEPLY? CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SENIOR CITIZENS , ASKED HIM TO JOIN THE CLUB. I= 'DO NOT THINK THAT WE WILL HAVE LESS PROTECTIONy BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO FIND OUT.,. 61 AM ' C©NCERNED 'ABOUT THE TAX STRUCTURE. . . ASKED THAT THE SALARY INCREASES FOR THE TOWN !)FFICTALS BE ' VOTED UPON BY THE PEOPLE. `MR. `SAWN- PRESENTED THE TOWN BOARD' WITH A PETITION TO ESTABLISH A WATER 7LII`SrRICT KONG WEST MOUNTAMN ROAD FROM POTTER ROAD TO NORTH AVIATION ROAD. T OF FOUR SMALL STREETS BAKER ROAD, .STEWART RD. LITTLE $VMET AND SAWN RD. THE' AREA SURROUNDING THESE STREETS ARE SUPPLI EW TIER BY THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND OR CITY OF GLENS FALLS . NOTED THAT ` #'IS AREA HAS WELLS, A FEW OF THE RESIDENTS ARE HAVINIS' PROBLEMS WITH THEIR WELLS. APPROXIMATELY TWENTY SIX HOMES. . . SUPERVISOR' WALTER MR. FLAHE'RTY HAS PREPARED THE 'PRELIMINARY REPORT ON THIS PROPOSED WATER DIST. ARE THE RESIDENTS AWARE OF THE COST? `MR. SAWN­ NO, BECAUSE I WAS JUST GIVEN THIS 'INFO'RMATION LAST EVENING. I WILL NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED COST AND GET BACK TO THE BOARD. . . MR. VANDUSEN- 'OUTLINED EMERGENCY MEASURES IF THE RESIDENTS WELLS WENT DRY. . . PETE WIDEMAN-WEST MT. RD.-I HAVE A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO YOUR PROPOSED POLICE PROTECTION. THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION I HEAR ALL THE TIME IS' HOW MANY PATROLS WE WILL HAVE AT ANY GIVEN 'TIME. I THINK THERE ARE OTHSA"F iNGS THAT OUR POLICE DEPT. 00 FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THE PATROLMAN ON THE STREET. WE HAVE OUR OWN INVESTIGAT -YE DEPT. WITHIN OUR POLICE DEPT. MY CONCERN IS WHEN A CRIME IS COMMITTED WITHIN OUR CQMMUNITYIWILL WE GET THE SAME DEDICATION -AND EFFORT FROM THE COUNTY THAT WE NOW GET FROM OUR 'OWN POLICE' DEPT. PRIME EXAMPLE OF TJ+Xf 'TS, THE 'DEDICA'TION OF OUR' POLICE DEPT. ON THE MURDER OF THE BABY'=`TTHAT fi`WAS FOUND IN OUR COMMUNITY OVER THE WINTER. I HAVE CONCERNS WHIVtH"' THAT SORT OF THING WILL GET FOLLOWED` THROUGH LIKE IT HAS BEEN SO FA4,J`� " I HAVE CONCERNS WHETHER A ROUTINE CRIME t WHETHER IT BE A B GL9kV ATONE OF OUR MERCHANTS' OR SOME OTHER TYRE OF LEGAL ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN OR VIOLATION BY AN INDIVIDUAL WILL WE GET THE SAME I'NVESTIGATIVE' EFFORT FROM THE COUNTY WHO `CURRENTLY HAS TWO INVESTIGATORS • TO HANDLE THE ENTIRE COUNTY WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE, I BELIEVE.) TWO INVESTITGATORS TO HANDLE OUR OWN TOWN. NUMBER 'TWO YOU KEEP SAYING ' THAT 'WE" CURRENTLY HAVE TWO PATROLMEN FROM OUR COUNTY IN OUR TOWN AT MOST TIMES, AND WE WILL GET AN ADDITI`ONAL`'TWO PEOPLE 'VIA OUR CONTRACTI -MY CGNCERN!74S WHAT MEANS` DO WE HAVE QF MONT'I'R`ING THAT. ARE WE GOING PTO TAKE A HEAD COURT EVERYDAY TO SEE' HOW 'MANY POLICE CARS ARE IN OUR TOWN? HOW DO WE KNOW WHETHER THERE ARE TWO IN OUR TOWN. 'SUPERVISOR WALTER- 'THE `BOARDOAPT TO DO THAT, WE GENERALLY CHECK EVERY ONCE I N' A WHILE WITH OUR OWN POLICE DEPT. ' TO ,SEE WHO` IS ON DUTY. PETE WIDEMAN- WE HAVE A MEANS OF DOING THAT KIND OF THING, GOOD. THAT IS ONE QUESTION I HAD THAT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT. NUMBER 3 I BELIEVE THE TOWN BOARD IS TRYING TO KEEP OUR TAX BASE AT ITS CURRENT LEVEL LAST YEAR ­BY MEANS` OF REDUCING OUR BUDGET IN OTHER AREAS MEANING OUR 'POLICE DEPT.AHOW DO WE AS TAXPAYERS IN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY KNOW THAT OUR COUNTY WIDE TAX RATE WILL NOT BE INCREASED TO OFF SET SOME OF THE EXPENSES THAT MAY OCCUR FROM THESE NINE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE '•:JOINING THE` CBUNTY. HOW DO WE NOT KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAS NOT ALREADY BUILT INTO IT WITH THEIR` BUDGET' ANO*HERTWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY RESIDENTS WILL H-AYE TO OFF SET 'IN.,,TWEIR TAX RATE. I BELIEVE OUR TAX RATE FOR THE COUNTY LAST YEAR. WAsv,*6.60 -PER THOUSAND WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWTNGG WHETHER. . SUPERVISOR WALTER- THERE IS A COUNTY BUDGET NEETING I BELIEVE IT IS ON THE 19TH OF NOVEMBER , BUT CHECK WITH THE CLERK OF THE' BEIj4RD AAROLD ROBILLARD AND YOU MAY GO UP AND QUESTION THE COUNTY AND ASK: THEM WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET. AT THE LAST COUNTY BOARD MEETING TM WMC,,H THE BUDGET WAS TAKEN UP j THE QUESTION WAS ASKED MR. ROBERTSON.-TttV ` BUDGET OFFICER, HOW MUCH MONEY WAS PROVIDED IN THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET FOR THE QUEENSBURY CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT AND HIS ANSWER WAS NO. BUT YOU MAY GO UP AND ASK :HIM ANY OTHER QUEST I010,TkAT -YOU FEEL. . .NOT6tt"N10 HE SAID, HE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING, BECAUSE WHEN QUEENSBURY COMES IN WITH A ,CONTRACT AND IT IS SIGNED TtMEY CALL IT A WASH"'�W.-ITEM,' INOTHERWORDS , THEY ARE GOING TO RECEIVE REVENUE AND THEY ARE' 'GOING TO EXPEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AS THEIR REVENUES. SO,„THgcfiACT THAT IT DOES NOT COST THE TAXPAYERS OUT OF THEIR POCKETS ANYTOING AT THE COUNTY LEVELiTHE BUDGET CAN BE AMENDED. PETE WIDEMAN- HAS ANYONE FROM OUR BOARD SEEN THE COUNTY BUDGET' OR INVESTIGATED THAT POSSIBILITY? SUPERVISOR WALTER- I SIT ON THE COUNTY',BOARD AND I HAVE TAkXER 'WITH MR. ROBERTSONSWHO IS THE BUDGET OFFICER,-HE HAS BEEN MOST SVPPORTfVE OF THIS MOVE , HE USED- TO SIT IN MRS. MONAHAN 'S SEAT. THERE . IS RAPORE THERE EVEN WITH THE BUDGET OFFICER. '. PETE WIDEMAN- I COMMEND YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. T COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- 1 THINK WE ALSO SHOULD POINT OUT THAT QUEENSBURY DOES HAVE FIVE REPRESENTATIVES SITTING ON THE COUNTY BOARD.. _ PETE WIDEMAN-IT IS JUST THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND I AM SURE MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM MAY HAVE THE .SAME TYPE �,O:F QUESTION SUPERVISOR WALTER-I APPRECIATE YOU CONCERNS. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I THINK IT IS MARVELOUS THE WAY THE< C1,T12ENS HAVE COME OUT , I HOPE THEY CARRY THEIR CONCERNS TO OTHER MATTERS OF TOWN GOVERNMENT. COUNCILMAN OLSON AT ANY TIME YOU MAY REQUEST A REPORT FROM, ANY DEPARTMENT WHETHER- IT IS THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY OR THE COUNTY QF WARREN , HIGHWAY DEPT .., WATER DEPT. , POLICE DEPT . THE ACTIVITZ-ES OF THAT DEPARTMENT AND HOW MANY MEN WERE WORKING)WHO THEY WERE B/ NAME. THAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. PETE WIDEMAN- ONE LAST QUESTION I HAVE.. I PUT PENCIL TO SOME OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND I HAVE A LITTLE DIFFICULTY WITH UNDE`RS°TANDIRG PART OF THE REASONING. PART OF THE REASONiNGG BEFORE WAS THE .COST FACTOR TO OUR TAXES WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST THE TOWN OF QVELt*SB;URY TO MAINTAIN OUR POLICE FORCE. I BELIEVE MRS. WALTERS , I THINK- THAT YOU MADE COMMENT TO THE FACT THAT YOU FELT THAT OUR POLICE DEPT.j' k1D:GET WAS GROWING RAPIDLY AND PERHAPS WAS GROWING AT A RATE THAT WAS T{QO -RAPID. THAT WAS THE IMPRESSION THAT I GOT) BUT YET WHEN YQU TAKE: AND PUT A FIGURE OF' PERCENTAGES TO OUR PROPOSED BUDGET OF: ,19, W AND COMPARE IT WITH 1981 FIGURES I CAME OUT WITH SOME INTERESTrI,NG<LJfILGURES. JUST TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF THEM IF I MAY. STARTING WIT4, THR, FaJ CE DEPT. ACCORING TO MY CALCULATIONS IF OUR POLICE DEPT. WAS, PTO -:;Ew,,=, 1AINTAINED AT THE F-IVEHUNORED AND ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLAR PROPOSED BUDC%R,T FIGURE THAT THE INCREASE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS BEING 2981 THROUGH 19S3 , WOULD - BE 24. 1% SUPERVISOR WALTER- CODUD I CORRECT THAT , YOU ARE LOOKING AT' ACT.1.;}AL EXPENDITURES-CIS THAT THE FIGURE YOU ARE USING THE FOURHUN0RED-...AND FIFTEEN? PETE WIDEMAN- YES SUPERVISOR- WALTER- THAT YEAR IT WAS BUDGETED FOR THREEHUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE. PETE WIDEMAN- IT WAS BUDGETEDjBUT WE SPENT. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE SPENT MORE THAN WHAT .WAS BUDGETED. 305 PETE. WiDEMAN- BUT IT IS STILL. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- FROM 1980 UNTIL 1981 WAS 24% INCREASE. PETE' WitEM�IN- WHAT I .AM SAYINGIS COMPARE THAT WITH_ SOME OF THE OTHER BUDGETS , PROPOSED BUDGETS THAT WE HAVE AND. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- YOU TELL ME, SOMETIMES THERE IS A REASON , SOMETIMES WE HAVE PUT MONIES IN FEDERAL REVENUE SHARING FOR AN ITEM. AND SHIFTED IT BACK "IMTQ THE' BUDGET. WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE THE JUSTICES SALARIES WERE UNDER , AND THE. FIRST YEAR WE PUT THEM IN THE BUDGET IT SHOWED A DIFFERENT ALLOCATION IN THE BUDGET. SOMETIMES THERE IS A REASON I IF' YOU HAVE A QUESTION WITH ANY PARTICULAR ONE. PETE WIDEMAN- SAY WE TAKE THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND AND COME- PARE IT WITH 'FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN, WE MAY COME OUT WITH A FIGURE 'OF �8-29X, SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN FIGURE , I AM SORRY, PETE- WIDEMAN- IS THAT NOT THE PROPOSED FIGURE. COUNCILMAN MONAKXN- IT IS THE FIGURE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BUT WE FOUND OUT IT WAS LOW AFTER RECHECKING BECAUSE OF FRINGES AND THINGS THAT WERE NOT IN. SUPEIRrVISOR WALTER IT WAS FIVE EIGHTY - SEVEN AND THEN THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT SOMEIKN G IN A CONTRACTUAL BASIS APPEARING TWICE WHICH WAS FRACTIONED OUT AND YET THE FRINGE BENEFITS WERE OFF BY ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. JUST TAKING WHAT WAS SPENT IN 1981 FOR CONTRACTUAL AND ADDING'TO ITA COME UP WITH SOMETHING CLOSER TO ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE OR SIX, DEPENDING WHAT YOU WANT TO CUT. PETE WIDEMAN- IN COMPARISON WITH A TOTAL BUDGET OF A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS) TEN THOUSAND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER OR TWENTY THOUSAND IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A CONSIDERABLE BEARING ON THE PERCENTAGES, IT WILL HAVE SOME I AGREE. YOU TAKE THE SUPT. OF HIGHWAYS FIGURE OF FORTYSIX THOUSAND DOLLARS IN CAMPARISON TO THE CURRENT SIXTYTHREE THOUSAND , DOLLARS THAT COMES OUT TO A TH=IRTYSEVEN POINT SEVEN PERCENT DIFFERENCE. DO YOU HAVE. .ANY CONCERNS OVER THAT AREA? SUPERVISOR WALTER- THERE IS A NEW POSITION. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- W1.4,44T WE FACE IS THAT WE ARE GETTING MORE ROADS TOI" PL.O.WJ'MORE ROADS' TO PATCHI AND , THE THING THAT WE FOUND IN THE PAST �- ANDS "THIS' HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST WE DO NOT DO THE AMOUNT OF ROADS `THA-T,'DUGHT TO BE DONE, WE OUGHT TO- D0 10X EVERY YEARS. THE - RESULT ISJ THEE -rr,"ING PILAIS UP. I HAVE RELUCTANTLY .AGREED ON THIS LARGE INCREASE BE1C.`AUSE WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP OUR ROADS UP OR ELSE WE ARE JUST PUTTING " OFF '`THE 'EVIL DAY WHEN IT IS 'GOING TO COST TWICE AS MUCH TO REMEDY 'IT: BY 'SAVFNG THE ROADS WE 'CAN SAVE IN THE LONG RUN. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I' THINK-WE ALSO SHOULD POINT OUT THIS�AND DAN YOU WILL ,iHAVE TO GIVE ME THE EXACT MILEAGE F'IGURESASINCE THAT IS YOUR COMMITTEE. BUT IN 1982 WE PAVED FIFTEEN, OR NINETEEN MILES OF ROADS? MR. `MOUSSEAU- FIFTEEN POINT TWO COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- COMPARED TO WHAT IN 1981? MR.. MOUSSEAU- , FIVE J COUNCILMAN EISENHART- IN 1981 WE PAVED FIVE MILES, IN 1982 WE PAVED FIFTEEN PETE=VIDEMAN- I AM ONLY TRYING TO MAKE A COMPARISON OR SHOW THAT TmE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT . IS NOT THE ONLY BUDGET THAT IS I'NCREAS+iNG AT AN ALARMING RATE. I DO NOT THINK THAT THIRTY PERCENT OVER-JT O YEARS IS , '. GREAT, BUT IT IS HAPPENING NOT ONLY IN OUR POLICE DEPT;''''BUT IT IS HAPPENING :PRACT I CALL►' EVERY.OTHER DEPT. IN OUR SYSTEM -__ LT" IS A FACT OF L+IFE. INFLATION WILL NATURALLY RAISE YOUR - IUSGET 306 IT HAS GOT TOE YOU CANNOT MAINTAIN THE SAME SERVICES FOR.7HE SAME DOLLARS YEAR AFTER YEAR. I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE` TOWN OF QUEENSBURY REALIZE THAT THSS IS THE SAME CASE FOR THE POLICE DEPT. WE KNOW OUR POLICE DEPT. CANNOT DO THE SAME JOB!,", FOR THE SAME DOLLARS YEAR AFTER YEAR AND I BELIEVE THAT WE EXPECT THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN BUDGET. WE HOPE"THAT`';WITH OUR GROWING TOWNSHIP THAT OUR POLICE DEPT. WILL BE ADDINGISERV10ES, MAINLY NEW PEOPLE. THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE FOR THEM TO PROTECT THERE ARE MORE BUSINESSES COMING INTO THE AREA THAT THEY HAVE TO SS7_14ONCERNED WITH SO WE CONSEQUENTLY HOPE THAT THET BUDGET WILL ALSO INCREASE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS EVERY-OTHER. I AGREE IF THETIR B`UDGET,.`WAS" INCREASING BY TWO HUNDRED PERCENT AND EVERY-OTHER BUDGET WAS STAYING AT4tHIRTY PERCENT THERE IS A SIG PROBLEM. THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAIKE IS fl� THAT THERE IS NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INCREASE. OF THE POLICE 'I DEPT. OVER ANY OTHER DEPT. IN OUR TOWNSHIP. COUNCILMAN MO*AHAN W AT WE ARE TRYING . TO SAY TO YOUR IF YE)U.-I*RE COMPARING POLICE AND HIGHWAY THAT YOU ARE GETTING , MORE SERVICES , IN-CftEA`$ED SERVICES FROM THE HIGHWAY INCREASE IN BUDGET AND FOR THE INCREASE IN THE POLIC " SERVICE, I MEAN FOR THE INCREASE -IN-'THE BUDGET WHERE IS NOT AN INCRE� IN SERVICE WE ARE MAINTAINING. PETE WIDEMAN- DO WE HAVE THE SAME POLICE FORCE WE HAD IN '198'14AS WE DO NOW? 'SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE ARE DOWN RIGHT NOW. OUR POLICE FORCE 4SVER INCREASED UNTIL 1977, COUNCILMAN OLSON- THE EMPLOYEES IN THE HIGHWAY DEPT. ARE, 00TT.•?ANY GREATER TODAY THAN WHAT THEY WERE, A FEW YEARS AGO ACTUALLY THEY ARE DOWN, TWO OR THREE EMPLOYEES. COUNCILMAN EISENHART- WHAT IS KILLING 'US IS THE FRINGE COUNCILMAN MORRELL- WE ARE ALSO GETTING EXTRA HELP IN THE HIGHWAY DEPT THAT COULD NOT BE PUT IN THE POLICE DEPT. COUNCILMAN OLSON- FOR SANDING PEOPLE ' ARE CALLED IN j COUNCILMAN MORRELL- PEOPLE WHO ARE AMIGNED WORK DETAILS FROM TOWN COURT AND SOCIAL SERVICES , WE PICK UP QUITE A FEW PEOPLE... . AS HELPERS WHO COULD NOT BE ASSIGNED TO THE 'POLICE COUNCILMAN OLSON- DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SALARY OF THE HIGHWAY SUPT. ? PETE WIDEMAN- I HAVE NO QUESTION OVER-.'THE SALARIES OF ANYBODY'.-, MY ONLY POINT '`I WISH TO MAKE WAS THE FACT THAT THERE IS NOT A BIG "DI�PP RENCE BETWEEN THE PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE IN .THE POLICE DEPT. BUDGET -.VS. -THE BUDGE1m OF MOST OF OUR OTHER DEPM& WITHIN OUR, TOWNSHIP, THAT _tSi THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. I DO NOT WISH TO SAY THAT ANYBODY.4AT'FJDUR TOWN IS OVERPAID OR IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB THAT THEY SHOULD SEFDOING I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. THINK IN ANY 7OWNSHIPj OR ANY GOVERNMENT TODAY YOU FIND THAT THERE AkE INCREASES, OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT , OUR STATE' d6VERNMENT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. 1-vE1 GOVERN- MENT HAS INCREASESI THERR BUDGET ARE 'INCREASING INFLATION WILL.. 00 THAT AUTOMATICALLY. I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT I` °DO','NOT THINK THAT OUR POLICE DEPT. BUDGET I!S INCREASING AT A LEVEL THAT SHOULD BE FRIGHTENING THE TOWN BOARD. THAT IS MY OPINION YOU MAY HAVE ?YOu OWN OPINION. SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT HAS INCREASED ABOUT FIFTYFOUR PERCENT SINCE 1980 ON THE BUDGETED AMOUNT AND `CLOSE TO SIXTY' ONE PERCENT' QNDOLLARS SPENT. THAT IS A GOOD TWENTY PERCENT A YEAR. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IN GOVERNMENT, WE HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT THEIR TAXES�,')ARE HIGH AND WE ARE ALWAYS INCREASING THE TAXES AND THE FIRST SHOT,_IS :N.T GOVERN- MENT SALARIES WHICH I THINK YOU HAVE HEARD TONIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT A BUDGET OF THIS SIZE FOR ALL OF THE' ELECTED PEOPLES SALARIES..,' THE TWO 'JUDGES, THE TOWN CLERK , THE HIGHWAY SUPT . , FOUR COUNCILMAN A140 THE SUPERVISOR IT IS ' LI-KE THREE HUNDREDTHS OF ONE PERCENT OF THE,'TOTAL BUDGET SHOULD THOSE PEOPLE RECEIVE THE INCREASES THAT WERE ON THE SHEET. IF YOU LOOK AT THE 'POLICE DEPT. AND 'WHAT IT DOES TO THE TOTAL, BUDGET IT IS LIKE 14 . 5X THERE IS 'A` DIFFERENCE WHEN WEARS TALKING ABOUT THOSE DOLLARS. PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO US ALL THE TIME , WE ARE ALWAYS PAYING AN INCREASE IN TAXES, I THINK WHAT THE BOARD IS TRYING TO DO WITH THEIR ACTION IS TO PROVIDE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE SAME SERVICE Hill 11 307 REALLY WITH THE SAME POLICE COVERAGE AND PROTECTION AS THEY HAVE HAD AN6-"tkY TO SAVE THEM THE TAX DOLLAR. THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT AND A NEW IDEA IT IS AMAZING TO ME THAT IT MET WITH SUCH RESISTANCE , BUT I CERTAINLY CAN UNDERSTAND PEOPLES CONCERNS ABOUT IT. IT IS A CHANGE THAT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING. PETE WIDEMAN- IT IS A DRASTIC CHANGE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT REALLY IS. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN-I THINK MAYBE A MISCONCEPTION IS THAT THIS WAS DONE `PRIMA`RILY FOR MONETARY REASONS' AND I DO NOT THINK 'IT WAS DONE L� PRIMARILY' FOR MONETARY REASONS. SUPERVISOR WALTER—THERE WERE OTHER THINGS INVOLVED. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- AS -PAR AS I AM PERSONALLY CONCERNED, I THINK BECAUSE W.E CAN HAVE A MORE EFFICIENT ORGANIZATION , I THINK WE CAN GIVE THE 'MEN A' CHANCEFOR AN UPGRADING IN A BIGGER DEPARTMENT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO PROGRESS IN THEIR CHOSEN FIELD MUCH MORE THAN WE CAN OFFER THEM IN A SMALL DEPARTMENT. . . I THINK YOU CAN HAVE AMORE EFFICIENT DEPARTMENT. PETE W`IDEMAN- I THINK ONE OF THE 'BIGGEST CONCERNS OF MYSELF AND 'PERHAPS MOST OF THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IS THE UNKNOWN YOU 66 NOT AT THIS POINT HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT IN FRONT OF YOU { WHICR STIPULATES X NUMBER OF PEOPLE WILL BE ON THE FORCE. I AM I NOT C61NF 0 NT THAT -WE HAVE A WAY OF MOW--RING EVEN IF IT IS ON PAPER 't`HE�'sFACT THAT WE HAVE POLICE COVERAGE THAT IS STIPULATED IN THAT C'ONT-4ACT AND I AM NOT COMPLETELY' CONVINCED THAT WE IF NOT THIS YEAR, Ml YBt NEXT YEAR WILL HAVE TO OFFSET THE EXPENSE THAT WE ARE SAVING THIS YEAR IN OUR TOWN TAXES BY AN INCREASE IN OUR COUNTY TAXES -NEXT' YEAR, THESE ARE SOME BIG QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AND I WANTED TO 9.vo rCE• -SUPER'V'ISOR WALTER- YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASE IN TOWN TAXES , YOU 0NDERIATAND THAT ,, YOU ARE GOING TO GO FROM $1. 71 PER THOUSAND LA-S'T ' YEAR` TO' ABOUT $2. 55 A THOUSAND THIS YEAR. THAT IS E I GH7fOUR CENTS MO*zE. TO SHOW YOU 'WHERE I T IS , I'N 1982 WE HAD TO RAISE THREE •HUN{TiRE6 PND ELEVEN THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND EIGHT DOLLARS BY TAXES IN 1983 WE ARE LOOKING FOR FOUR HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TWO THOUSAND SIX ftNDRED SEVENTY' EIGHTYWHICH IS THE BOTTOM LINE ON YOUR BUDGET-THE DIFFERENCE' IS ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY MORE 'IN THAT 'COLUMN'. THE INCREASE IN THE HIGHWAY DEPT. IS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN. SO THE INCREASE IS IN THE 'H'IGHWAY DEPT. IT IS NOT I'N RECREATION OR ANY OTHER AREAS THAT THE TOWN BOARD COULD KEEP IN LINE ANDISTILL SERVE THE YOUTH AND THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY�- THEY 'WILL STILL GET THOSE SERVICES. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE HIGHWAY WITW THE SERVICES THAT WE FEEL ARE NECESSARY AS FAR AS REPAVINGjTHAT IS' WHERE THE DOLLAR IS COMING FROM. PETE WIDEMEN--- ' I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH ANY PART OF YOUR BUDGET. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER- IT HAS BEEN TOUGH TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND EVEN COME BEFORE YOU WITH THAT KIND OF AN INCREASE. ' PETE WIDEMAN- I ONLY DISAGREE WITH THE QUESTION THAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE ABOUT THE UNKNOWNS THAT =THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVEjAND IT JUST STRIKES ME STRANGEjTHAT OUR BOARD COULD MAKE SUCH A' DECISION WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE FACTS AT HAND AND READILY AVAILABLE TO THEM BEFORE THEY MADE THEIR DECISIONS. THAT IS MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT. I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOUR BUDGET I ONLY DISAGREE WITH THE CONCEPTO -THAT YOU SEEM TO BE WILLING TO ABOLISH OUR POLICE DEPT. WITHOUT HAVING FALL THE FACTS THAT I FEEL THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE.4BEFORE YOU MADE THAT DECISION. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. COUNCILMAN MONAHAN- I DO THINK WE HARE TO POINT OUT THAT OUR OTHER CHOICE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO ADD TO THE TAX RATE AND WHEN WE GET A 'S'ATrSFACTORY CONTRACT THE PEOPLE WOULD BE COMMITTED TO THOSE TAXES WHEN WE DID NOT NEED THE MONEY. MR. BLY- WHAT DO THE SUPERVISORS OF WARREN COUNTY SAY ABOUT THIS? HAS NOT BEEN TALK' ALKED AMON,S THE ',BOARD OF SUPERV I SORS,, ITS BEEN ' AW ArLTERS AND THE SHERIFF'S. DEPT. `SUWVISOR WALTER- THE FINAL FIGURE WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE SHERIFF'S Coogit"TEE , SO I DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU HAVE BEEN TAi KING TO BUT THE MEA4BERS 308 OF THE SHERIFF'S COMMITTEE WERE PRESENT AND INDICATED APPROVAL OF THE .CQNCEPT AN:D SAID THAT THEY WOULD'.LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE ;BEFORE IT COME BEFORE THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. (TAPE NOT AUDIBLE) SUPERVISOR WALTER- I DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TQ":MR. BLY BUT THAT IS NOT THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE HAD AND I ''THINK THERE TSS ENOUGH MEMBERS OF THE BOARD -COMMITTED TO GO ALONG. W.I,1"'H THIS PROPOSAL.. H. RUSSELL HARRIS-I HAVE BEEN SURPRISED TONIGHT-IN ALL THE TI,RUKSS � ABOUT THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN THAT NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY NOW PAYS AT LEAST ONE THIRD IF NOT MORE OF THE OPERATION OF THE COUNTY SHERIFF' S DEPT. DR. CHARLES EISENHART- IT WAS MENTIONED. H. RUSSELL HARRIS-IT SEEMS TO ME THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPT. HAS FELT THAT THEY HAVE NOT HAD TO ,r(cIVE THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY TOO MUCH SERVICE BECAUSE WE ALREADY WjERE PROTECTED BY ARE OWN POLICE DEPT. AS FAR AS- I AM CONCERNED- THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB, I HAVE NO CRITIZISM OF THEIR r6EPT. I WAS NEVER IN 'FAVOR OF HAVING THE DEPT. BECAUSE I ALWAYS FIGURED THEY WOULD GROW AND GROW AND SOONER OR LATER WE WOULD HAVE A PROB(..EM BUT IF WE ARE TO DO , THIS CORRECTLY IN THE FUTURE WE CAN GET ,BY THIS YEA.R� IT SEEMS TO ME THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY HAS CONTRACTED OR ANYTHING ELSE BE ELIMINATED AND IF NECESSARY TO INCREASE THE COUNTY BUDGET TO PROVIDE FOR THEM, CERTAINLY THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY WILL HAVE TO PAY THE LARGE SHARE OF THE INCREASE BUT IT WILL,: ALSO HAVE TO BE, DIVIDED UP AMONG THE OTHER TEN TOWNS. AT THE PRESENT TIME WE ARE - PAYING FOR AT LEAST A THIRD OF THE SERVICE THAT MGST DF THE OTHER TOWNS RECEIVE, BECAUSE WE HAVE PROVIDED OUR OWN PROTECTs,JON HERE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT BETWEEN NOW,;AND THE YEAR 1984 . I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT, DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE DURING THIS COMING YEAR. I WISH YOU SUCES`S;•.,wITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT DOES SAVE SOME MONEY AND I FEEL IT WILL PROVIDE GOOD SERVICE AND THAT IS ALL WE CAN ASKFOR. NEXT YEAR I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ENLARGED SHERIFF' S DEPT. ,WITH US PAYING OUR SHARE AND NOT PAYING THE SHARE FOR EVERYONE ,E4pE,. BOB AVON-PATTON DRIVE-- I WANT TO ,COMMEND THE BOARD FOR THEIR DECORUM-I THINKS YOU HAD A GROUP OF INTERESTED CITIZENS OF THE. COMMUNITY PRESENTING THEIR POINT OF VIEW AND YOU. OAXE US -.A RESEME'!OF HOW YOU CAME ABOUT TO YOUR DECISION. I ; AM CONCERNED, IT IS UNUSUAL THE AUDIENCE IS SO HOSTILE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO SAVE US TAX MONIES , USUALLY A GROUP OF - CITIZENS' MEET AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE INCREASES AND HOW TO MAKE CUTS WE SEEM TO BE WORKING IN REVERSE, HOWEVER , WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WHICK IS THE CONTRACT THAT WE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH AND )ME ARE CONCERNED ABOUT VALIDjBEING ABLE TO FORM THE, TASKS AND WE CERTAINLYjCOLLECTIVELY VOTED THAT THIS AMENDMENT SHOULD BE APPROVED. THROUGH THEIR REVIEW OF ALL MATTERS I THINK THAT WE ,AS OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ,HAVE -TO GO WITH YOUR DECISION. THERE ARE STILL A NUMBER OF CONCERNS- THAT; I HAVE ABOUT THE POLICE PROTECTION BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LOGISTICAL ASPECTS OF THIS PROGRAM. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE VEHICLES THAT WE OWNJWE PURCHASED, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MECHANICS THAT MAINTAIN THESE VEHICLES , IS THIS GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL SAVINGS TQ US;. SUPERVISOR WALTER- WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MECHANICS, UNDER THE P-pI, ICE BUDGET THAT IS UNDER CONTRACTUAL AMOUNT.'-FOR LOCAL GARAGES. - COUNCILMAN OLSON- WE HAVE MECHANICS IN THE HIGHWAY DEPT.WE ,", ,VE PRESENTLY TWO AND IN THIS BUDGET WE HAVE A POSITION FOR ANOTHER MECHANIC IN THE HIGHWAY DEPT. MR. AVON- AND THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES COUNCILMAN OLSON- THE POLICE DEPT. DECIDED TO PUT THAT WORK ,{IVT TO OTHER GARAGES FOR REPAIRSvTHEY DID NOT USE THE TOWN GARAGE FOR REPAIRS, THIS CAME OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR REPAIRS . MR. AVON- THANK YOU, I WISH YOU MUCH S=ESS WITH YOUR BUDGET.. .I AM SURE THE CITIZENS HERE EVEN IF THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THISyARE, GaING TO GET BEHIND IT AND HOPE IT WILL WORK. BECAUSE EACH ONE OF YOUR IS ORIENTED TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE, AND A SAFER: PLACE TO LIVE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR A VERY INTERESTING EVENING. ,, THANK YOU. " — - — - - - 309 /IRA SIMMON.DS-I HAVE SAT THROUGH MANY MEETINGS ON MANY ITEMS OTHER THAN THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT.. AND I RAPE NEVER SPOKEN AND I AM VERY NERVOUS, BUT I AM VERY MAD. rN 'REGARD TO-WbAT PETE. SAID. OUR POLICE DEPT. HERE IN QUEENSBURY PROVIDES A SPECIAL SE-RVICE OTHER THAN THE PATROLS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A BETTER PATROL SYSTEM, FINE. %THAT IS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT I AM CONCERNED WITH , I AM NOT A BIG BUSINESS , I AM NOT A LITTLE BUSINESS I AM AN ORDINANRY HOUSEWIFE, DOMESTIC ENGINEER IF YOU WILL , I HAVE LIVED IN GLENS FALLS ALL MY LIFE. I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO LIVEIN THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY. WHEN I. GOT MARRIED I MOVED TO THE TOWN OF QUEENSBURY AND THAT IS WHERE I AM RAISING Mr 'rAWlLL'�'. __WRAT I AM CONCERNED WITH IS THIS, I LIVED HERE ABOUT SIX YEARS , WITHIN THAT SIX YEARS MAYBE I HAVE MORE PROBLEMS THAN OTHER RESIDENTS , I KNOW I HAVE CALLED THE QUEENSBURY POLICE AT LEAST FOUR TIMES .IF NOT MORE. SOME OF IT HAS BEEN A BIGGER ISSUE LIKE A THEFT , THE, QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. HANDLED ITS NO PROBLEM. THEY HANDLED IT WELL. THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF DEPT. THEY MAY DO THE SAME THING FOR ME IN SOMETHING SUCH AS THAT BUTwakf I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE DAY TO DAY OCCURANCE. I DO NOT CALL THEM EVERY DAY BUT THE TIME I CALLED THEM I WOULD HgWATE TO CALL A LARGER OFFICE WHO HAVE A LARGER GROUP OF MEN AND THE LARGER GROUP"-OF MEN HAVE TO HANDLE A LARGER AREA. YOU SAY THESE PATROLSjWE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE OUR QUEENSBURY POCLICEMEN NINE OF THEM I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH THAT ISSUE. I AM CONCERNED WITH THIS ISSUE, WHEN YOU CALL THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF'S DEPT. AS OPPOSED TO CALLING OUR OWN CUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. WK) HANDLES JUST THIS AREAjTHE WHOLE POLICE DEPT. , MECHANICS , DISPATCH EVERTHING, ON A LITTLE ISSUE AM I GOING TO GET THE SAME RESPONSE FRfitM THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF'S DEPT. CAN YOU ASSURE ME OF THAT AS I WOULD HAVE FROM MY QUEENSBURY POLICE OFFICERS. CSTATED INSt' NC"E WHEN SHE WAS SERVED BY THE QUEENSBURY POLICE DEPT. 2 ARE YOU ASSURING THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT HAVE SMALL PROBLEMSITHAT IF WE CALL THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF'S DEPT. WHAT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSE IN DISPATCH- ING A QUEENSBURY POLICE OFFICER ON ONE OF THESE PATROLS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THE QUEENSBURY AREA, WILL THEY GIVE ME THE SAME RESPONSE , AS OUR VERY OWN POLICE DEPT. DID BECAUSE THEY CARED, WILL THEY HAVE THAT SAME CARE WHEN YOU CALL THEM FOR ANY PROBLEM, BIG OR SMALL TO MAKE SURE A POLICE OFFICEIkIS THERE FOR ONE OF US. THAT IS MY QUESTION TO THE BOARD NOT JUST TO YOU MRS . WALTERS TO EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD, CAN YOU ASSURE ME OF THAT SAME QUALITY! THIS IS WHAT MOST OF THE RESIDE015 I TALKED TO AND I HAVE TALKED TO MANY BECAUSE I HAVE CIRCULATED PETITIONS FOR ONE THING OR ANOTHER AND WHEN I WAS, I BROUGHT UP THIS ISSUE, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. NOT THE AMOUNT OF POLICE PROTECTIONjTHE QUALITY WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE FOR THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT HAPPEN DAY IN AND DAY OUT.CAN YOU ASSURE US THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF' S DEPT. WILL DO THE SAME, FOR' US AS OUR OWN QUEENSBURY POLCIE DEPT. DR. CHARLES EISENHART- I EXPECT SO. VIRA SIMMONDS- WHAT IFf I DON' T WHO DO I COMPLAIN TO? DR. CHARLES EISENHART- US VIRA SIMMONDS- IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS# AND YOU HAVE ALREADY CONTRACTED - WITH THESE PEOPLE# WE HAVE TO SUFFER WITH % FOR A YEAR? IF FOUR QUALITY IS NOT AS GOOD WITH THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF'S DEPT. AND YOU ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE COMPLAINTS WHICH I FEEL YOU WILL. . . SUPERVISOR WALTER-I AM SURE WITH THE ATTITUDE OF THE PEOPLE WE WILL HEAR ABOUT EVERTHING� THAT IS TO BE EXPECTED. :THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE HOPING TO PUT ON THE PAYROLL TO LOVER THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT WILL BE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED TO YOU. VIRA SIMMONDS- THEY WILL BE THE SAME PEOPLE IN THE PATROL CARS BUT NOT ON DISPATCH, YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE YOU ARE DEALING WITH WHEN YOU HAVE THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF' S DEPT . WE ARE CALLING THAT DEPT.. THAT DEPT. CONTROLS THOSE PEOPLE. SUPERVISOR WALTER- NOTED THAT THE QUEENSBURY POLICE ARE NOW BEING DISPATCHED BY THE WARREN CO. SHERIFF'S DEPT. DURING MIDNIGHT TO EIGHT-A.M. ASKED FOR FURTHER COMMENTS NONE WERE HEARD. . . REOPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONING OF TUTHILL ROAD AREA. SUPERVISOR WALTER- ASKED FOR COMMENTS $ , 310 COUNCILMAN MORRELL- THIS ARRANGEMENT WAS MADE BY EVERYONE CONCERNED. . . SUPERVrSOR `WALTER- CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING 10 : 16 P. M. T" BOARD WILL TAKE ACTION AFTER RECEIVING THE RECOMMENDATION OF TEIE T" BOARD CO. PLANNING BOARD. RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AUDIT OF BILLS R SOtt1TI0N NO. 370, INTRODUCED BY MR. DANIEL MORRELL WHO MOVED, FOR ITS ADOPTION,SECONDED BY DR. CHARLES EI:SENHART : RESOLVED, THAT AUDIT OF BILLS AS LISTED ON ABSTRACT 82-11A• . AND NUMBERED 1901 THROUGH 2122 AND TOTALING $118 , 780 .61 BE , AND HEREBY IS APPROVED. DULY ADOPTED BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE: AYES : MR. ` OLSON , DR. EISENHART, MR. MORRELL , MRS. MONAHAN, ,MRS. WALTER NOES : NONE ABSENT : NONE ON MOTION THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED. RESPECTFULLY SUB•MTTED, DONALD A. CHASE,'..TOWN CLERK tT�