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2014-03-20 - SP Mtg 11 SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 03-20-2014 MTG #11 841 SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING MTG#11 MARCH 20TH, 2014 7:00 P.M. BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT SUPERVISOR JOHN STROUGH COUNCILMAN ANTHONY METIVIER COUNCILMAN BRIAN CLEMENTS COUNCILMAN DOUG IRISH COUNCILMAN WILLIAM VANNESS TOWN OFFICIALS Craig Brown, Director of Zoning & Planning Stu Baker, Senior Planner Caroline Barber, Town Clerk Press: Glens Falls Post Star Supervisor Strough called meeting to order and lead the Pledge of Allegiance Public Forum—Main Street Zoning SUPERVISOR STROUGH-Okay, we are here today to hear what the public has to say about Main Street and what is your opinion on its current zoning or how it should be zoned. We want you to share your thoughts with the Town Board and like I said, if some of you have just come in and haven't signed up, I left a clipboard up there, please print your name in the order in which you speak, to make it easy for our Town Clerk, Caroline. We all wish for a development strategy that's going to make the most sense, which has the strongest economic and fiscal implications, which offers the most livability, sustainability and vitality. We all want Main Street that presents to resident and visitor alike, a kind of development that we be proud of, that offers a beautiful, functional entry to our town and to our downtown, Glens Falls. This is the first of four meetings that will explore development strategies. The next meeting is next Thursday, 7 PM, right here. The topic will be Complete Streets. We'll talk about the kinds of development that enable safe and convenient access pedestrians, and for bicyclists, for parents and their children. How can streets and the development next to it be convenient for all users. What elements of design, construction and operation would best serve for environmental suitability. And for next week's program, we wish to thank Glens Falls Hospital's Creating Healthy Places to Live, Work& Play for funding next week's program. The third meeting will also be here and will also be at 7 PM, and it will be held Wednesday, April 16t1i The presentation and workshop will be about planning for economic and fiscal health; it will be sponsored by the Town of Queensbury and Smart Growth America, the program you'll see on April 16th was made possible through a grant from the EPA, the EPA's Building Blocks for Sustainable Communities. And the last and fourth meeting will be like a culmination meeting, it will be an opportunity for all of us to pull together our thoughts, to summarize our thoughts and move our Main Street program forward in a way that the consensus wants. Also present at the meeting tonight is Stu Baker, our Senior Planner and Craig Brown, Director of Planning and Zoning and Caroline Barber, our Town Clerk. The Town Clerk is responsible for making sure that this meeting has minutes. So, when you do speak, that's why I have asked you to sign up, we will have your name and it's legible. Speak clearly and into the mic. The speakers on this side of the room don't work, they do on that side but as you can see, it still works in general. We've got a tape player here, we've got a tape recorder there but we can't depend on them. This is not a meeting for discussion; this is a meeting for input. Now, if you do have a technical question, we have our Director of Planning and Zoning and we have our Senior Planner here. Okay, so they would be best to give you an answer. So, without further ado and I'll call you in order, Don Daniels is the first to sign up and speak. DON DANIELS-I guess over the past five years or so, that we've had this great recession, not quite a depression I guess, the President, and the Governor, and the Supervisors, and the Mayors of towns, they've all said the small entrepreneur is the backbone of the country. One of the problems with this zone is, if you want the small entrepreneur, who usually doesn't have very SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 03-20-2014 MTG #11 842 much money, when they come in and run up against this wall of resistance, so of speak, it takes the heart out of them sometimes, because they don't have enough money to go through to completion to even get their foot in the door. I don't know if you five gentlemen, I don't know of anybody else that's at those tables, has ever opened a business or had to pay sales tax or pay payroll taxes and have people working and maybe the Town Board that was here five years ago and ten years ago when this was talked about, it's not easy for the small entrepreneur to get going. And then we also have, I see a couple of our real estate people here, there was some talk several months ago about a Dollar Store, whether that would be appropriate or not, but they wanted a single story building. There's a lot of chain operations, they certainly seem to have all the money, they are not the small entrepreneur and they are not the ones that the President is talking about. If there's supposedly millions of small entrepreneurs that want to get foothold, this kind of zoning really stops them in their tracks and to get through the maze of paperwork and everything else, they're usually broke and out of business, you know, before they even get their business started. So, whatever kind of new ideas that come up, I have four different buildings out here in West Glens Falls and one of the things that I thought about in the zone, is making changes to my buildings, I don't want to put on a second story. I might be willing to spend a hundred thousand dollars to put an addition on one of my buildings, but I don't want to spend a half million dollars putting another story on top of my buildings, I just would not be able to rent out the properties or operate the properties, at any kind of a profit and keep people in there. So those are some of my comments. JOHN REILLY-I have spoken to this Board and to prior Boards about the continued development on both sides of Exit 18 over the past ten years. My comments tonight are intended to help our current Board in their decisions with respect to continuing, continuing growth in the area. The planning and the design of the redevelopment of Main Street involved private consulting firms, multiple governmental bodies and a Citizen Advisory Board. It was a decade long effort to ensure that the best possible outcome with a clear focus on how the new infrastructure of Main Street could help businesses succeed in growing over the next twenty to forty years. Those efforts included zoning changes and street scape design concepts and the natural and continuing transformation from residential to commercial use of land, all within the limits that the roadway dictates. What I see is a major deficiency with that effort was the absence of a coordinated plan to guide commercial growth after the construction phase was completed. At the public and the private level, there has been no visible effort to market the area as a whole. Individual owners have attempted to market individual parcels with questionable results. So, the timing of this meeting, in my opinion, is optimal. We are once again seeing capital from investors moving somewhat more freely. If we look at the increase in the number of building permits, the large scale concept, talked about between Glens Falls and Bonaccio Construction, the expansion of two breweries in our area and substantial new investment in the outlet mall district, it's clear that we are an area desirable to developers with bigger ideas. These are positive trends, not a call for a change in course right now. I learned long ago that talking about problems without offering potential solutions is a losing practice. So I have a few suggestions to offer on how our community can move forward, taking the hard work of the past into account, to achieve an outcome we can all be proud of First, I believe that there are some areas where government can do things better than the private sector and the reconstruction of Main Street is a great example. Traffic flows better then it did. The visual appearance is greatly enhanced by the removal of above ground utilities; I know everybody loves the green boxes too. Sidewalks are now in place, now they are much more attractive to residents and for future development. To handle the next phase though, the commercial growth phase, the Town should undertake a new study, and I think this is part of what's going on here, but to inventory the current assets, inventory the available lands for redevelopment and to create a specific micro- community development plan, something that targets just this area, with a ten year horizon. It's not something that's going to be able to take place in two to four years; this kind of planning takes a while. There should be a property owner advocate as well as a community advocate to give balance in the decision making process. I also suggest that we start now to look for financial assistance from our Senator and Assemblyman; it's not something that we should bear on our own shoulders. And I don't think that as a town, we ask enough from those layers of government in the way of assistance. The second part, while I believe publicly funded and managed efforts would be the most efficient path to success as well as the property and business owners in the area, I understand that some people in our community oppose spending tax dollars in that way. If there's not going to be support for that, then I think the board should look to help coordinate a business improvement district for this area. In no way will it be as successful as a SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 03-20-2014 MTG #11 843 coordinated government funded operation but at least that would put together a structure for the area to get marketed as a unit instead of individual pieces of property. That's something that I think Queensbury has missed out on in a lot of areas, we lose our economic develop marketing to the county and quite frankly, it's not just here but it's town wide where I don't think Queensbury has gotten value out of that in the ten years that I have been here. I also want to point out that it can be said that there are two different populations in Queensbury, those who were born here and those who chose to move here for all of the benefits that the town and region offer. In 1960 the population was ten thousand even and in 2014 it is close to thirty thousand people. The people who were born here have much different connections to the area. They may have two or three generations still here, they have close business connections as well as family. But residents like myself, still care about the community and have ideas and insights from our past outside of the area that can benefit Queensbury. As Board Members, I think it is important for you to hold your life-long connections at a bit of an arm's length business from your advocacy and decision making. And I ask that everyone look at where Main Street was ten years ago, twenty years ago, thirty years ago. Property values have gone down where buildings have been neglected and that has an impact on everyone. However, we also have businesses that are strong and growing. Let's look at the success for our community and move forward with a positive approach. Thank you. JIM UNDERWOOD-I spent about ten years on the Zoning Board and at numerous meetings we had to deal with people who were trying to improve their properties or to grow their businesses along the Main Street Corridor and I think that some of the comments that have been made so far, I don't want to repeat them, but I will say this, we have small businesses that currently exist down here. I think many of us, you know, frequent those businesses whether it's the cobbler shop, whether it's ... auto glass, there's lots of examples. But at the same time, I think we also need to reflect upon the fact that the back corridor, as these lots are quite, quite a little bit of depth built into them on each side of the street here, we do get into residential properties also and we have to remember that we have people who have lived there for many years. It's probably the most reasonable place in town as far as getting into a starter home in many respects. And I think that we need to respect what changes might be affected by grandiose ideas. I don't think, you know, realistically speaking, that we will see the benefit turning it into another downtown like downtown Glens Falls. It would be, it would really be unnecessary for us to repeat the second downtown. The downtown in Glens Falls has sort of been reborn over the past decade and reinvented itself, it went through a long period of decline that we all recognize in most of the urban centers in upstate New York. But I think what we're starting to see that what's driving the changes is residential, it's not commercial. Commercial businesses come and go in the downtown area and its' very difficult because the values of the properties down there now are starting to creep back up again and I think we need to be careful on this corridor here too that we don't do that. I know from the realtors aspect, it's been very difficult to sell any properties down there and part of that comes from the fact that the properties are at the level that they're trying to sell them at, are way over value. I think that if we look at the tax rolls of what their properties are at, we would see that they are not nearly, not even half of what they are asking for. Those properties which may be one of the reasons why we haven't had anything happen on the corridor since we rebuilt the whole street. But I think one of the things we might consider doing down there is this, we're still looking at a map that's broken up into many of these tiny narrow lots and I think its incumbent upon the town to come up with an idea. I think that some of the suggestions that were made that the economic development corporation or somebody else could come in and act as a catalyst by purchasing several of those lots and jump starting the project with something that's going to encompass all of the ideas that we have come up with. Some urban street structure, I think more like the Fowler Square type project that fronts the street but also has a back to it where people have green space that they can get away from the traffic and noise. We know how busy Main Street is. But I really think that what we should be thinking more about is the aspect of the street, it would not be pleasant to live in a residential neighborhood facing all that traffic that comes in, even though we greatly improved the corridor as far as traffic flow goes. But at the same time, I think that we don't want to go the other way either, for One Dollar Stores and more, you know, strip mall type of development, things like that because I think that's what we don't want to do. You know, you could go overboard the other way and say why don't we just take everything on the street now and just make it like a boulevard with trees lining it that leads into the City of Glens Falls. We'd probably be doing them a big favor by doing that but that would not fly here as well either I am sure. But at the same time, I think it's important when we consider what we end up with here, you know we have SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 03-20-2014 MTG #11 844 sidewalks now which greatly helped the flow of pedestrian traffic and that's what's missing in a lot of our commercial areas in town. If you ever get out of your car and try to walk around like up on Route 9 and places like that, it's very difficult and very unnerving for anybody to do that. But I think on Main Street, you still have the aspect of pedestrian traffic and a more of a mix that includes residential and I think that residential is going to drive it with those deep depths on the lot. You know, you could reconfigure what the housing is back there, at some point too. You know it may go from bungalow type houses to multi-story things but I think we need to think about the big picture in the long term and not just simply focus on, you know, make a few bucks here for this year because that's not going to accomplish anything at this point in time. RON BALL-I am not prepared like Jim was or the guy before him but I do use common sense. If you look at the situation now, if you are around four o'clock in the afternoon, you get off the Northway heading down Main Street towards Glens Falls; it's already swamped with congestion. Sometimes it's a big congestion. And the same thing in the evening, about four o'clock in the evening, they're headed home from Glens Falls trying to get on the Northway, again you see congestions. There's two lights very close to each other, there's a narrow passage way underneath the Northway where, if there's a big truck in there, you can find just barely enough room to go past by and I don't think this is what we intended to do when they first proposed this package there. I think and I have heard this before that originally, they thought about a five lane highway and once you did away with the five lane highway, the whole thing should be tossed out. Because all you would really be doing if businesses do pull in there, it's going to make the traffic more congestion for people living in Glens Falls. I think what they should do is a hundred and eighty degrees with it. Go west of the Northway where there is a lot of open space out through there. You could put a four lane highway out there. The houses are set back further, they're bigger lots and maybe in time, which I know this was a proposal at one time, Sherman Avenue as an exit, an entrance off the Northway and the property is still there to do it and why we never discussed anymore of that, I am not sure. But I think that someone should probably look into that and see, you know for Queensbury is getting really developed and no matter where you go, you see new homes popping up and whatnot, but to take the Main Street and congest it and block that off for people who are trying to get to Glens Falls, I think that's completely wrong. Thank you very much. MIKE PARWANA-You really do not know how much I hate public speaking but I want to talk about the plan that was put in place. I mean I think this all about vision, planning, investment and potential. There was a lot of times spent on the plan that is in existence and a lot of community input, a lot of work by a lot of people and they developed a plan and to me it seems like a really good plan. They thought about it really well and the Town Board headed by Dan Stec at the time committed to a huge investment in the corridor and they committed to the plan and they made the plan for the future. Not for five years, not for ten years but for decades into the future to try and plan out how the community should look and they took taxpayer money and invested that taxpayer money. And I think we should look at the fact that the taxpayer's deserve return on their investment, that they increased the value of those properties by putting in potential for the future, by putting in conduits, by burying the power lines. By putting in conduits, you can have high speed internet, you can have fiber optic cable put in there. I think, you know, so they did the vision, they did the planning and we all did the investment. Now we need to look at the potential and I think people are missing out on potential. I think this area is probably some of the best potential growth area in maybe all of New York State. We have infrastructure, we're having new businesses, you know everybody talks about Global Foundries and I don't think Global Foundries is the be-all, end-all but Global Foundries has created huge amounts of investment in Saratoga County. It is only ten miles further from Exit 18 to Global Foundries then it is from downtown Saratoga and it's probably seven or eight minutes driving time further. This area has the potential for, not big spinoffs but small spinoffs. We already have Tribune Media out there, we have lots of businesses, this could be a really good walkable community. You have almost every service a resident who may, you know if you have mixed use buildings with commercial, residential and retail, you could walk to Hannaford, you can walk to the CVS, there's a cobbler, there's a shoe repair and there's a lot already here and to put in something like a Dollar Store, that's not a good return on investment. That hurts the potential. I am sure people look at the livability of this community. I mean, you have the bike trail; you have the Feeder Canal park trail. If people came down to live here, there are restaurants, you could, if you're raising a kid, you can put your kid on a bike and the kid could ride up and down the Feeder Canal trail, they can go to Haviland Cove, they could go swimming, they could SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 03-20-2014 MTG #11 845 fishing. The community needs to be selling this and not looking at it and say, throw out the plan. We need to be looking at the potential the plan created because the plan created a lot of potential and I guess that's all I have to say. STEVE BORGOS-Thank you very much, I really hadn't expected to speak tonight. But, I was hoping we would have a lot more people here. I think part of the problem is that a lot of people don't really know what the Main Street zone is other than a blue line around it but a lot of people don't really know the rules and as one of the realtors whose been .. by the rules, I think Bob Sears is still here, he's another one, I think that we ought to talk about some of those. We've talked at our other meetings but it probably should go on the record as a public meeting to talk about things. The first, in my opinion and the way that the rules are set, there's only two different sets of rules here. One is for the properties fronting on Main Street, one is for the others in the back of it. The properties between Main Street and Luzerne Road, a lot of people are overlooking those but all of those residential properties are now zoned Main Street which means if you live there and I think Craig will tell us, we've talked about this before, right now this residence, if there's a vacant lot right here, you want to sell it, you can't use if for residence. I ran into two or three use cases about two years ago and Tim Brewer and I talked about this and people said, they would definitely want to build a new residential structure on the vacant lot, they were told they found with the zoning area that they can't because it's now a commercial zone, must have at least two stories and you may not have any residential use on the first floor. That seems kind of foolish to me. I don't think the people who live in this area understand that. Also, if you, correct me if I am wrong please but if you live in a residential structure and you want to put an addition on your house, it must be two stories and you can't live on the first floor. That doesn't seem fair or right as far as I am concerned. I spent most of my time in commercial properties, in fact almost all of the time. Our biggest concern on Main Street is that the regulations say, say a couple of things that are of concern. Number one, all the new buildings or remodels must have the front of the building exactly built to the line, twenty-one feet from the edge of the driving surface. Now there are a couple of sections, if you read through the plan, the zoning ordinance doesn't get as specific but if you read through the plan, they say if you are dealing with preexisting structure, you can put up a fence or a wall or something that tends to line up with the other fronts of the building. But anything new going in, must have the front walk exactly twenty-one feet from the edge of the road. There are a lot of TV news items over the last few months where cars or trucks veering off the road and going through the fronts of buildings, Albany, Schenectady, that area. I don't know how good it is to put them real close because you got a forty mile an hour speed limit there, or thirty-five, a car will travel quite a distance. We have another major issue, and we've talked about this before and we had a pretty good general acceptance from new members of the Town Board, that the floor area ratio, that is how many square feet of building structure can be built for so many square feet of land, has been about twelve or thirteen percent under the present rule. The comprehensive land use plan proposed fifty percent but the town for some reason went with essentially twelve or thirteen percent. CRAIG BROWN-The current is now thirty. The Town Board recently made a change to the FAR, to be 30 percent. MR. BORGOS-We discussed it, did it go through? MR. BROWN-Yes, it's thirty percent. MR. BORGOS-Okay, I wasn't aware of that, okay. So now we are at thirty percent, that's good. So now you can have thirty percent of forty-three thousand square feet roughly, thirteen thousand square feet per acre of building, that would be counting the first floor and second floor and at some point we'll talk about, do you have to count basement. But under the present law, you'd have to count the basement, so if you put in a basement that you can walk in, you've got to count that against the floor area you can use which seems not the smartest thing but I am not on the Town Board anymore. Another concern has been the one story versus two story, questions have come up at our meetings we've had, I am surprised all these years talk about that tonight and I hope somebody will talk about it. They talked about the Dollar General store. They proposed a one story building, it's their money, it would be private property and would be generating tax revenue and it would be appealing to people, so why not let them build one story? Why make them build two story when they probably will go somewhere else. I think they SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 03-20-2014 MTG #11 846 offered to do a second story, everyone seemed to like that, the rule says you must have two floors that are occupied or can be occupied. A lot of people don't know that. And the rules also are very, very detailed. What kind of windows you can use, in fact the corners you must have up on the top must be ornately carved, on the top of the second story or third story ... and how much, the wrought iron that you use has to be ornate, and all of the wrought iron in one building has to match. All that's in the little nitty gritty stuff and the developers come in from outside and say, you've got to be kidding me. We want to buy a piece of land for three or four hundred thousand dollars, we want to put three or four or five hundred thousand dollars into the project and you're going to tell me that I have to match the ornate wrought iron as you want, like everything else. We'll go somewhere else. It would be one thing if a private developer owned all that land on both sides of the road, and the private developer had this great idea to develop over here, great, let him do it. Private money sounds terrific to me. If it works, he'll make some money, if he doesn't he will lose his shirt. But I don't see its right to tell people, small business, that you've got to build two stories when you only need one. Now there has been a project planned for one of the spaces here, people were working on it for months and months and months but every time they turned they had to do this, they had to do that, they have to watch this deadline, that deadline and as a couple of days ago, they backed out. So one of the two projects we had going, is now gone. Now we're down to the Dollar General as far as I know. It's going to keep happening. The chances of getting a whole bunch of people, even in the upper twenty, or thirty, or forty years to agree to combine lots over here, to build them exactly in line two or three stories tall, to have fancy ornate on top of the building, in my opinion, zero. I hope to live for another, at least two hundred years more; I don't think I will see it in my lifetime. I think we have to understand, but mostly we have to tell the people who live and own properties over here, what they are faced with. It would be a shame how, these things can get locked in, and they're going to say alright, it's time to sell it but nobody wants to buy it. So I think the Town Board should be looking at that. I think we have to make some changes to the existing rules... I told somebody at some of the meetings I was at, I know what Main Street is like in the north country. I grew up on Main Street; it was Main Street South Glens Falls. We had single story buildings, we had two story buildings, we had a couple of threes but mostly singles and two, they were... everybody was happy. You go through Warrensburg; there are a lot of one story buildings there. Go to Hudson Falls, there are a lot of one story buildings mixed with twos and threes. So why do you have to have two or three here? It doesn't make any sense to me. So that's my opinion, I am telling you that as a realtor, that's why people aren't buying here, that's why you're not developing. They are up at the outlets, they're doing ... but they're not doing it at Exit 18. Thank you. TOM JARRETT-I am going to speak in favor of the current zoning with some modifications. I think certainly there's reasons to review the current zoning, as Mr. Borgos has said, there's some things in there that probably warrant some review and maybe tweaking, if that's a good word to use but I support the current theme in general. I think there are a lot of short term benefits. Building multistory buildings is cheaper per square foot then single story. You save energy, you save storm water and long term, our goal is to reduce sprawl and reduce car use, driving use and I think multistory buildings in an urban, quasi urban setting there makes a lot of sense. We can improve the walkability of the neighborhoods, we can improve the bicycle use, encourage business. I think we can draw businesses to that corridor that's really not interested right now. And really long term, our goal is not to have people driving out of town, out of the city and out of Queensbury going south to work, our goal is to have them work here. I really don't want them driving hell-bent out that corridor ... we'd rather have them stop here and work here and support businesses here and have people maybe living on the upper story. From a practical perspective, the code now reads that you have to have a livable second floor or third floor, I think that needs to be changed. I think we can require people to build a second and third story frame which may be occupied by a single story initially and then if they obtain a tenant or sell the building, then the second or third story could be filled in or finished for use then. I think it would mollify and modify the concerns to some degree and not absorbently expensive to put the frame work up for a second and third story. Cognoscente of the, the impacts on the neighborhood behind Main Street itself, I think that could be reviewed, I think some more flexibility in that area as Mr. Borgos has said, that may not be prudent to make that ... zoning requirement back off the Main Street itself. But, likewise I would like to see the Main Street corridor allow more than three stories if someone wants to build it. I think there should be some flexibility there. We gain more advantages by building multi-stories, as long as it doesn't impact the neighborhood behind to a significant degree. And I'd like to see, not only zero front setback SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 03-20-2014 MTG #11 847 but zero side setback allowed. I think we should allow more floor area ratios as long as the landscaping and the green space is shown where management can be provided but I don't think we have to have significant side setbacks, in fact zero setbacks makes a lot of sense and I think you could get cooperative building projects in that light. So, I think with some tweaking, the tweaking is necessary but I support the theme in that zone and I am really going to echo the speaker who really didn't want to do any public speaking. I think you did a great job by the way. That's all I have to say, thank you. BOB SEARS-I am only going to speak for two minutes, cut me off A couple of people eluded to the current zoning and the ten years that was used to study and put forth the visionary plan for the Main Street Corridor. It took them ten years, there were some real flaws in that plan. It would seem after ten years, they would have hopefully figured it out a little bit. Under that current zoning, you needed one acre of land to do a six thousand square foot building. You know six thousand square feet is about one and half times this size. Under that current zoning, you would need an acre of land to put that building up. So, I mean, you can go back historically and say, well there was a lot of things that was right with that plan maybe, but you also should question that plan, the way it was written. And that's what we've been doing for the last couple of months here and I think the Town Board has done a good job in doing that because I will go back to what I said at the beginning of the offset, when you had this original discussion, visionary planning versus the reality of the situation. You have to have a happy medium and I hope that we arrived at that point. I hope you do not eliminate the idea of the single story building on that corridor; you can have very good single story buildings that would be an asset to the community and will make good economics and assist the developer as well as a good plan for the community at large. Thank you very much. ROBIN BREWER-I just wanted to, I know a sent a letter in a while ago but I just wanted to say, I definitely like it, I agree with everything that you said. I think it's a vision and there's a goal, things have to be tweaked, we really have to look at things,just like anything that you build, it has to be tweaked, moved around but a vision stays a vision to grow into. And I think, I look at it, I grew up on Main Street, I was born at 80 Main Street, we lived in the area for a long time, the community is really important and what we put in and planned earlier, the buildings, the sidewalks, the lighting, the underground utilities, that I just want to emphasis is the potential of the place of Main Street. Aesthetics in Queensbury is a big thing, aesthetics, you know how things look and... I think as a person driving through Queensbury, we have this that and the other thing, and I mean it's great to have a plan and when we talk to our kids about careers and ... one is, urban planning. I think it's important for us, I don't know if we have, you guys are urban planners or what we have but that's an important thing, it's important to think about the future, you know, thirty, forty years down the line for our children, what that's going to look like, and still, you know, really thinking about the community and the people who have lived there because that's where I grew up. Thank you. FADDOUL MONSOUR-I live at 95 Main Street. I'd like to know how many people here in the audience here lives on the Main Street, West Glens Falls? Well raise your hands. Do you live on Main Street, West Glens Falls? Apparently not. Who's got businesses here? I am not in favor of two or three story buildings and if that's the case, we're not going to have any more restaurants, any more fast foot places or whatnot and I can't see it, myself. I had an offer of $265,000.00 from Taco Bell about three or four years ago. Now that they backed out of it, and they built down the road where they didn't need any variances and I am not, I wasn't too happy about it. But, two story buildings, three story buildings, I think they're out. Why not the Aviation Road? Why not Route 9? Why not the Quaker Road? Why don't they have two stories, three story buildings? Why does it got to be Exit 18 into Glens Falls? Is there a reason for it? That's what I'd like to know. Anybody up front can answer me that question? SUPERVISOR STROUGH-Well sir, we're just taking input today. We have three more meetings for interaction but we just wanted to hear from you today. MR. MONSOUR-Alright, no one is going to answer. Okay, well that's what I would like to know. Why Exit 18? Why does it got to be Exit 18 for two and three story buildings when you didn't do that to Route 9, didn't do Aviation Road, Quaker Road? That's all I've got to say right now. I will be back. SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING 03-20-2014 MTG #11 848 SUPERVISOR STROUGH-We do have two other meetings where we can interact, learn, grow, and then we have a fourth meeting in May, we're going to bring this all together and then we'll probably make some changes. What kind? Well, we'll see but I heard a lot of good thinking today from the folks that came up and spoke. The Board, I will speak for us all, we appreciate your thoughts, we appreciate you coming. The next meeting, a week from tonight, will be Complete Streets and then April 16th will be a meeting on how to zone and develop your community in a way that's most fiscally efficient in the long run. So, that concludes our meeting tonight and again, I wish to thank you for coming and please drive safely. The staff will be here and available for a few minutes, if anyone has a specific question or questions to the drawings present. Respectfully submitted, Caroline H. Barber Town Clerk